@@chilomine839 because the first thing that goes in a failing economy is entertainment, so the only people working in entertainment are people who think this is a good idea or people afraid of losing their job by saying this is not a good idea.
I think the closest I ever did was during a deus ex play thru I specifically chose a poison filtration or something cause I lost a kidney in the Army so it was like my little nod to it.
On the other hand, you have to admit representation of disabled people in fantasy is not that bad and is actually very historically accurate. Take Ivar the boneless, king Baldwin or king John of Bohemia.
@@TheStarcleaver It's not medieval fantasy, it's the world after they implement communism. She can't get guns and even the wood for the bow and arrow cost a fortune, but of course wheelchairs are made for free in the work camps.
“Accepting magic shouldn’t be easier than accepting disabilities in a fantasy setting.” Evil wizard: “I agree! Now accept that I cast heat metal on the wheelchair.”
@@EliSkylander this! Just because your character has a disability does not mean they get plot armor that defends them from all hazards that the disability does not allow them to easily conquer.
Either thier chairs have anti-magic field or i just cast quicksand underneath them or simply transform ground in a hole of stairs Literally anything which basically requires either levitation to deal with or functional pair of legs
Wheelchairs only work in our modern world with concrete everywhere, a wheelchair is not an all terrain vehicle, mud, marshes, desert, swamp, river crossing.
Skip the wheel chair, I ran an D&D Adventure League module that required climbing don tunnels and sharp drops on ropes. One player had a centaur character. They insisted on playing the centaur character. The first major drop where they had to use ropes to climb down the centaur was stuck. The weight was much for a rope. The player just assumed I would modify the module to suit the centaur. Nope.
In a world where magic exists, a wheelchair is just the ghetto mobility option. Sister, we've got so many artifacts that can fix that, and you're gonna use some clumsy wheels that will get you stuck fast the first time it sees mud? Good luck with that; I'm gonna stick with my Battle-Panther.
i went to a week long festival many years ago with some friends, one of whom was in a wheelchair. it was certainly rough going on the grass, but he managed…. until it started to rain. by the end of the week, i had just decided to leave my shoes in the car c7z there was so much mud, and i hadn’t seen him for a day until i passed by him leaving one band’s show and all he had to say was “PAVE THE EARTH.” 😂
They frame it as if we hate disabled people. They refuse to admit that this image is cringe-inducingly dumb because it is absurd. Are dungeons typically wheelchair accessible now? Can she outmanoever the goblins rushing to surround her? Do her arms get tired rolling through the medieval cobblestone streets? Does her party contract oblige the wizard to reserve his Fly spell for her for every encounter, so she can keep up? What does Barbarian Rage in a wheelchair look like? These DEI dopes insult people by making everything awkward. Give her mechanical dwemer legs to pilot or something.
If they really wanted to make a point, a picture of Hyakkymaru from Dororo would actually hit the point. But then she would have to recognize that things like that already exist, it's just them that are incapable of making anything good.
Heroes with disabilities are long accepted. Daredevil Anakin Skywalker Luke Skywalker Edward Elric/Alphonse Elric Ouma Shu Red-Haired Shanks Malenia Blade of Miquella and many more. But disabilities for the sake of disabilities check boxes will not be accepted.
It also depends on the manner of the disability. In ALL of those cases, the disabilities are something they learn to overcome, and it isn't something that prevents them from being a hero. The inability to walk is a pretty big disability to overcome. It CAN happen, but it depends on specific circumstances. One example: Renegade from Ys 9: Monstrun Nox. In Ys 9, the "Monstrums" are basically alternate forms each of the protagonists can take. When wandering around the overworld, each character can either take their monstrum form or they are stuck in their normal human form. When in monstrum form, though, they can use special powers (and whenever using said powers they automatically swap to this form). Renegade's "normal" form, however, is disabled. He literally can't walk at all. As such, you can never control him in his normal human form. Instead, he always takes his "Monstrum" form and just puts on a disguise when walking around normally. Its also notable that even though he does have a wheelchair, its just a fairly ordinary wooden chair with wheels on it, its not some sort of "modern" wheelchair shoved into a medieval setting that looks out of place.
Agreed. Heck, joker ( massive effect) and Barbara Gordon are 2 great examples of wheelchair using heroes, but it still has the drawbacks and sensibility behind how they can do things. Professor Xavior is another good example. What's the one thing each of them can't do ( when wheelchair bound)? Adventure and do massive physical activity
Guts from Berserk. Guy is missing a arm, eye, and has PTSD. And what does he do to overcome his disabilities? Got a arm cannon, learned to see with one eye, and deals with his PTSD by beating the crap out of demons.
@@ForestX77However, they hate Guts because he doesn't dwell on his problems. All they want to do is wallow in their self-imposed misery and expect everyone else to applaud and pity them.
The worst part is it could look so much cooler, considering it's magical. (like tree roots spider legs, a golem mount/throne, even eldritch legs the list goes on) But as i've said before, DEI is the death of creativity.
May be wrong but I think in DnD a second level paladin can get rid of paralysis by a single use of Lay on Hands. Disability is still feasible in fantasy settings but really only by way of an extraordinarily powerful spell or curse, one which would resist restoration spells, remove curse, dispel magic and the like OR in a situation where magics which could cure a disability are unavailable, either due to associated cost or location. In the first case, the caliber of a spellcaster you had to annoy dictates that these will be incredibly uncommon. In the second case, it would only really be reserved for lower class npcs, because wealthy would be able to afford healing spells and player characters would gain access to such magic rather quickly.
No shit. Only a few years ago, they were declaring that Professor X is the same as Magnito when it came to his Brotherhood of Mutants. Literally said they are the same as each other.
Totally backwards. The entire point is that you accept magic exists and then think about all the ways it makes the world different. This is why you gatekeep.
Also magic has FUCKING RULES, it doesn't instantly mean the barbarian can fistfight the dragon while in a wheelchair - he would instead use a very expensive cape that gives him a magical fly speed, why would he use a FUCKING WHEELCHAIR!?
@@doombybbrexactly this. A disabled character with something like a birth defect would likely become a wizard / artificer who mixed constructs that replaces his legs by carrying him around and giving him minions to fight with him. Or a magical exoskeleton that does the work for him. Just porting over wheelchairs into the setting is lazy. That's the biggest problem.
Well something to consider. One of the greatest minds in human history, certainly the greatest mind in several centuries, was paraplegic and had to speak through a machine. A man who suffered from early onset Motor Neurone Disease, yet a man who completely changed how we look at modern Theoretical Physics. If that is possible in a world WITHOUT magic, what is possible in a world WITH magic... Because here is the problem, you people are all thinking of reasons why disabled people CANNOT be heroes, not one of you are thinking about how application of magic could help them to BE heroes... And the only reason why you are thinking in that one dimensional manner is because you are biased AGAINST the idea from the outset.... Let me point out to that man again, Stephen Hawking, who despite his disabilities has left a legacy as one of the finest scientists the human race has EVER had.... What can any of you able bodied folks claim? And who are YOU to say what may and may not be possible in a world where there is actually magic? Maybe you should open your minds and perhaps think on how magic could in fact compensate for disabilities. No one said it had to be easy.... Nothing in life ever is...
@@Jaxvidstar Only in Baki universe considering how those muscles look. But it would have to be less than week ago. I did had complex leg injury this year (1st time, getting old), long story short: even after week you literally loose all muscle definition and a lot of muscle mass if you literally cannot use Your leg to walk at all.
Ah, but you see, that is the problem: those muscles that don't exist are working against the regular muscles resulting in canceling each other out! For example, whenever she tries to lift a leg, other muscles in her leg pull her leg down simultaneously, resulting in no movement! This is also why her legs are so muscular, even though her legs don't move an inch she can still work out her muscles this way! Now that design is some galaxy brain right there!
Its so hypocritical. Like the lot who advertise how "tolerant" they are but don't tolerate intolerance. If you accept everyone, you have to accept disagreement
I can acept that a barbarian can become wheelchair bound due to an adventuring injery, but I can't acept that he would be doing any combat or dangerous adventuing in that state.
If you're so wealthy you can afford to make a MODERN WHEEL CHAIR in a world so full of magic, surely you can afford to get a cleric to cast a spell to fix your legs. In Baldur's Gate 3 there's literally a character that was paralyzed because of a deal she made with a Hag, and you can cast a second level spell and instantly fix her legs as a Cleric or use your Paladin healing to fix them. It's easy to do. For fuck's sake.
@@haku8135 You’d figure a curse put on you by a hag would be harder to break. Must be a pretty lousy hag if a level two cleric can come in and show them up like that.
@@MrNickPresley It wasn't like a REAL curse, and she wasn't actively making like a HAG deal. She was disguised as just a kindly old woman, the tiefling girl wanted to be stronger, and she got a potion to do that not knowing the woman was a hag. She even warned her that it'd come with side effects. You can find the hag's lair later on and the PROPER curses can't just be undone, not even by a much higher level character. You've gotta kill the Hag in order to end the real curses. She doesn't stay dead though. It's a pretty fucking fun enemy actually, that whole plotline is good. Baldur's Gate 3 is a good game, go play that, not this muscular wheel chair woman. At the very least she's using a bow and not a fucking dagger.
They can heal spinal injuries and correct defects. They choose not to. (This is not a pro-wheelchair argument. It's a critique of a society that can cure spinal injuries *WITH COMMON MAGIC* but chooses not to.)
That depends on the setting. We have to consider the genre, the level of magic, how it works, and how much of it can it heal? We must be thorough so we can counter there every question and strawman
Sand, such as in deserts, dunes, beaches, kua-toa lairs, also mud forests would be a no go unless they are paved. mountains would be unwheelable for you, Ships would be a no go for you unless you locked the wheels to the deck. water would be a no go. same with lava. basically all dungeons would also be impassible for you as well. As well in combat all it takes is someone just strong enough to tip them out of the chair
That art hurts my brain. I feel like the artist knew almost nothing about either disability, the history of technology, or archery. The paraplegic has absolutely ripped leg muscles (something that even body builders don't get without partially dehydrating themselves before a show), any society with the precise machining necessary to make that mid-century wheelchair would be using better weapons than a recurve bow, and everything about the draw on that bow is wrong. Also, that wheelchair has no right brake.
Could have it where it cost a pretty penny to receive such services normally. Perhaps due to a scarcity of those who can perform the healing arts? Just cause magic in a world exist doesn't mean there can't be limits and rules within its system. In-fact it's often better when there is such. However also gotta write the character to make sense within the world as well.
@failegion7828 Then you just have US Healthcare system where they'll charge you the arm and the leg you're attempting to have them fix, hits at little too close to home for some. Fantasy is all about escaping reality lol.
The Great Cleric anime comes to mind. A series about healing magic being overpriced due to the scarcity of people able to perform it and being able to set their own prices@@failegion7828
The most feared warrior in British history was a disabled Viking who had to be carriedon a shield. In other nations, disabled warriors were common and praised as well. King John of Bohemia was an absolute badass, old man who was blind, probably not even able to walk that well, yet he is known for being a true knight until his death. Charging into the enemy lines and stopping their advance, thus saving thousands of allied soldiers and the life of his son.
@neverstopschweiking There is a blind kid who played football in America. He played for the whole season. Needless to say, he contributed nothing to the team, and in actuality, he took away another player's position who could have contributed the team. This is what happens.
"You can accept dragons, elves and talking trees, but you can't accept a 2021 BMW 5 series 530i with optional heated seating. Why are you so biggoted?" - A meme that's been around for years but is somehow still relevant.
More like "YOU can accept dragons, elves, and talking trees, but not the fact that there are thousands of not MILLIONS of ways to deal with that better than a wheelchair for a fantasy setting"
@@michaelsorensen7567 A fantasy setting does allow wheelchairs to exist if implemented in a believable way, said fantasy setting also allows other options depending on the type of fantasy and the extent of it's relevant systems. Could use specialized golems, magic hover pillows, robotic limbs, specialized exo-skeletons, healing magic, levitation magic, etc. and all before touching anything that's just a straight up wheelchair.
@@GoblinKing117 "if implemented in a believable way" is the part I've got serious issue with. Given the plethora of objectively better solutions, ESPECIALLY given the known dangers of adventuring, it's just not believable. Realistically, any combat roll against a wheelchair user would necessarily have advantage, because they can EITHER use their weapon, OR move, but not both. It takes an action to stow or draw a weapon, right? So they can't action attack, action stow, then use their hands to move the chair. Since they're completely unable to move with a drawn weapon, they're MUCH more likely to be hit. You could try and circumvent that by being a bare handed combatant, but you're not really gonna have reach at that point. A 3' sword in a 3' arm has 5' of reach, in part because all the moving around in the fight means your useable area where you can effectively get a strike in is reduced. Take away the 3' sword... You basically have to grapple to get a melee strike in. And how can you beat a contested acrobatics check IN A WHEELCHAIR?! ALL of this goes away with ANY magical conveyance, let alone mounted combat rules. Worst case, ABSOLUTELY worst case, you just reskin a centaur with a steampunk lower half "chair" and you've got your disabled but capable hero. The wheel and the chair aesthetics make NO sense in any scenario magical enough to be fantasy. I'd much rather be a wolf rider paralyzed from the legs down than a wheelchair bound incompetent.
In any sensible world, trying to fight a dragon while sitting in a wheelchair is a one way ticket to the afterlife. Ergo, any sensible hero who has such a disability would first seek a remedy before throwing him- or herself headfirst into such danger, because last time i checked people aren't stupid! At least not stupid enough to take risks like that on a whim. Ergo, Heroes in wheelchairs are an idiotic idea to begin with and a sorry excuse for an attempt at pandering.
As for me, the main problem lies in the fact that they do not understand the meaning of escapism. Even in realistic settings, people don't want to see all the ins and outs of the real world. Imagine if, before the start of GTA, we would have been shown difficult teenagers whose parents ended up in prison or shot on the streets due to crime. This is reality, but it doesn't suit the tone of the game. As well as showing the victims of real wars before the start of some shooter, such as Call of Duty. People don’t want to see this not because they are snowflakes, but because they have enough s№!7 in real life
"The existence of magic should not be easier than accepting the existence of disabled people". Okay, putting aside the fact those two things have nothing to do with each other: - Disabled people existing does not make basic law of physics disappearing, hence adventuring with disabled limbs being a terrible idea. - Why does disabled people HAVE to be adventurers, when they are plenty of other more adapted and perfectly respectable jobs? You realize there's a reason people in medieval era didn't go to war in wheelchair, right? - If you talk about magic, why do you conveniently ignore actual magical solution to disability (artifical limbs, levitation magic, mounts), fairly accessible at that, to bring instead the more mundane, unpractical and unimaginative disabled tool possible?
In a world of magic why wouldn't someone that is crippled *not* seek out some magic fix? I mean you could have them become an Armorer Artificer; making themselves self moving greaves to walk with. Or a Warlock who accepts a deal in return for his legs/spine being fixed. Or a Cleric who prayed to a god, was healed and so moved they took up the cloth.
The worst part is that you can make interesting characters and stories including disabilities as plot points, but their superficial view on the topic makes people avoid it
This And they will never Accept they just have no real Imagination or talent and just badly copy what others before them have Established in the various genres rather than build on it
This. I had a character who was maimed by necrotic fey blight. Restoration and regeneration weren't working (mother was an archdruid), and she eventually had prosthetic limbs like Edward Elric from an artificer who eventually became a friend and traveling companion. I should specify that we weren't doing the anti-metal mindset druids have in the rules so we basically were citing desperation on the mother's part. All in all, Luca was a fun character with a creative reason behind the disability. Something people these days lack in their hamfisted DEI schlock.
Why stoo at wheel chairs? Whats the limiting principle? If magic is so easy to accept, why not a 1965 Ford F100 Twin I-Beam with a 460 Police Interceptor?
dont give me flashbacks to when I DM'd for a min-maxing power gamer group, that where all doing their masters in different engineering fields... The absurd power scaling and WMD created in that campaign, along with the magi-tecnological hights of an arms race that occurred between nations, it's horror and high jinx fun beyond understanding
@@gampie13 Why not mix in the other franchises and let my cleric exchange gold for a star destroyer painted in my god's colors? I can pray for the gift of astronavigation.
DM: "You approach the long and huge Stairs to the ruined temple of Disablus . " Wheelchair warrior : " Well .... looks like we need to cancle the quest . Its not wheelchair friendly ." DM : "You head back to the village because the physicly and mentally disabled warrior , ruins our fun ." * The whole group looking angry at the fun-destructive doofus * ALWAYS GATEKEEP !!!!
Meanwhile a disabled wizard just floating Or a necromancer having an army of undead to carry them up. Creativity Disabled characters can work if you use the actual fantasy stuff in the fantasy universe.
@@AdaTheWatcher In the actual rules, I think they just made the wheelchairs effortlessly fly over everything so that you basically never run into a situation where being in a wheelchair would actually matter.
The best part is that you can counter each of these arguments, simply asking what the setting is. High? Low? Grounded? Grimm dark? What’s established in the world? Do they have healing magic? How well does it work? Just bombard them with these questions and watch them spiral
A: It doesn't make a lick of sense in a world with plentiful healing magic. B: Cripples *don't like being crippled,* so they generally don't want to play cripples in games. It's called *escapism* for a reason.
Yup. There could be a work around, but it would have to be very specific for them to be wheelchair bound, such as far less healing magic/ far weaker healing magic, and any magic tools being very expensive. Even then, this would be temporary, until it can be fixed, or a better tool can be used
Actually. Some do. The full time victims. Knew a guy who was an artist. Everything he drew had to be wheelchair related. Everything he wrote was wheelchair related. Hell, all of the porn he watched had to be wheelchair related. That's another story, no time for that right now. Knew him before I started playing d&d, but he absolutely would make characters that were only in wheelchairs if he did play. It was his identity. It was the only thing that made him feel special. It was the only way he could stand out. It was the only way he knew how to get attention. It was the one most important detail, attribute, and quality that he saw in himself, and he really seemed to think nothing else about him mattered. It's just fucking sad. But there are people like that. Even if offered a magic spell for FREE, to fully cure their legs, they'd refuse and say "no, this is who I am."
@@arxarcium3229 Reminds me of those gays who make their sexual orientation their entire identity, putting it at the center of their inner world and have everything else revolve around it, if they even have anything else. And since "gay" is their only way to see life and process the world around them, anything they don't like can only be judged as homophobia. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy you knew shouts "ableism" as soon as something doesn't go his way.
Hey, in the old movie "Ator the Fighting Eagle" the hero somehow made an aluminum hang glider.... Mystery Science Theater 3000 even made a big deal about it when they riffed the movie. :) All this means is that we're regressing from classic high fantasy, to utter schlock... Perhaps we'll soon see a whole sourcebook based on the movie "She" covering how to do really classy, post-apocolyptic fantasy... or rules for combat roller derby in a sword and sorcery environment.
Doesn’t even match the characters armour. They could have at least made it look like it came from the same culture as the discount Wonder Women armour.
It's the kind of lack of imagination that marks them as mere tourists in the world they want to take over. They've never seen anyone whose legs don't work in anything other than a wheelchair, so that must be the only option.
In a 5e oneshot a long time ago I rolled a high elven wizard who was *very, very* old. As in 'will probably crumple over at any moment' old. But since he was a talented wizard, he was able to compensate for his frailty with powerful spells, most especially ones which allowed him to shield himself without physical effort and evade encounters with an invisible hideaway. Since he couldnt get around very fast, I ended up working with the DM to allow him to have essentially a modified Tenser's Floating Disk that he'd sit on and ride around like a weak Magic Carpet between encounters. Pros: -Not a *wheelchair* -Can into STAIRS -Looks cool -Makes close enough sense in universe. Old-age frailty isn't something you just fix with a healing spell and call it a day. A broken spine literally is. Cons: -One spell slot
The bigger issue is that, in a world that has regenerative magic, and the ability to change reality via 'Wish' spells... A successful adventurer would have to CHOOSE to be in a wheelchair, rather than just paying to have their body healed or modified to function... or just buy some magic item that allows them to levitate about the place. Wheelchais would work in a setting like the old WFRP setting though, where healing magic is near non-existent, though.
In a world where magic of all sorts exists why even have a standard modern wheelchair???? Like say you're a warlock. Why not, instead of a wheelchair, have a throne that spawns eldritch tentacles that moves it?
Exactly this. Like, if the disability were in-character, like a magic disability that requires constant magical energy to hide, then it would make sense in a way.
If wizards/artificers can make all sort of nonsense gadgets it would be possible to make a wheelchair. For me it's the fact that it would make the other players life more annoying. 99% of roads are mud, no accessibility in dungeons and imagine having to cross a forest or climb a montain having to carry a second character over most obstacles. You can make a character however you want, but then you can't camplain if the DM decides a slightly taller platdorm is all the villain needs to escape.
Why not? All they need is iron and rubber. The iron is trivial and for the rubber they only need to colonize the ebony kingdom. Then you create a lot of plantations and the ebonites can work them. Where's the problem?
Brandon Sanderson already solved this problem in his Stormlight Archive series. One of the side characters gets disabled. She builds a wheelchair. It doesn’t really work that well, but then she finds a solution that uses the world’s magic system. The problem isn’t the existence of disabled people. It’s how they respond to it.
But Rysn isn't really one of the "heroes", per se, though she played an important role. Speaking of which, I was explaining on Reddit how by the rules of the setting, she could still be healed (use a Lightweaver to change her self-image followed by a Truthwatcher/Edgedancer to do the actual healing). I got angry comments and got downvoted to oblivion.
It's not that you can't have the paraplegic, but having magic gives you opportunities for creative solutions beyond the wheelchair. Maybe you have a cleric who needs to maintain a certain vow or ritual with her patron deity in order to remain walking. Maybe you are a wizard who has to prepare and cast a certain spell every day that gives you the use of your legs, and if you lose your focus, you also lose your legs. The point is that there are so many ways in a fantasy setting that set you up to both have disabilities and really interesting ways to overcome them or deal with them that would also give any really good DM plenty of opportunities to create interesting story.
40K is a more realistic setting than 5E now. The game was supposed to be a terrifying journey into the unknown. The chair would not fit into many dungeon entrances. 🤦♂️
@@Xplora213 But the dungeon creation section of the DMG now states that all dungeon structures and "dungeon-like" adventure locations must be constructed with wheelchair accessible ramps and/or other handicapped accessible entrances, probably.
only way this would work is a Warlock is cursed by the gods themselves, but at that point he should have work-arounds, this doesn't happen at first level.
Even then, there is magic that explicitly says it fixes amputated and crippled limbs. Regeneration. Granted the irony is that it's on the druid's spell list. Along with reincarnation that outright gives you a fresh new body.
@@jonathanwells223 Heal: Choose a creature that you can see within range. A surge of positive energy washes through the creature, causing it to regain 70 hit points. This spell also ends blindness, deafness, and any diseases affecting the target. This spell has no effect on constructs or undead. So this mamajama can cure 2 disabilities straight off the bat, knit close any wound you might have, regain the blood you have lost. Fix any organ that might have been injured. Get rid of that flu you were trying to get rid of... But it doesn't fix your legs? It's interesting how selective healing magic actually is... apparently.
@@nerdicusdorkum2923 Well, for every spell and magic, there is some other BS magic or plot device that says: Nope. So You COULD have a scenario where it doesn't work. Cursed by the gods. Corrupted magic. Spiteful evil entity that actively counterspells any attempt to fix that one particular person. It can be done. But it's insanely stupid to focus on it and we all know why they do it.
@@nerdicusdorkum2923 regenerate is a 6th or 7th level spell, you can't pay someone to cast spells of 6th level or higher following adventure league rules, therefore you need to aquire a spell scroll, they are priced between 10-22k, which is translated to around 1-2M USD. Easy and affordable solution for everyone...😅
How is it possible that Terry Pratchett managed to make a senile wheelchair riding wizard amazing in the 90's and modern designers are only capable of reproducing the most boring design time after time.
Pratchett's world treats the gods like a barkeep treats people who are still there at dawn, absolutely zero healing magic and any magic in existence operates on equivalent exchange. So a wheelchair could make sense.
...huh, didn't expect to bump into a Vee video on this account. Speaking as a disabled person (though not to the extent of needing a wheelchair), there's NO WAY IN HELL I would not hunt down a healer as soon as possible in a setting with healing magic. Now, if this wasn't possible for whatever reason, I wouldn't endanger myself and others by joining a dungeon crawl...
@@GarcherLun Even if that were the case, an adventuring party would under no circumstance take a wheelchair bound person into their party. They would need constant help and would be dead in the first combat. It's ridiculous.
@@RatchildUK or maybe they wouldn't need any help, because [insert any fantasy reasoning]. Again, nobody has to follow YOUR rules just because you pulled them out of your ass.
@@edgarbm6407 We have to consider the setting, do they have healing magic? How well does the magic work? What are the limits? These are the questions we need to ask to make sure they don’t catch us off guard
@@Phantomcrustacean like I saw one guy say: "if someone tries to act disabled in my table, I simply make a wizard that pass by and regenerate all the disabilities for free and leaves." Its a roleplaying game, the answer is: shut up and play the game to have fun.
@@blade8741 Only an able bodied person would roleplay as a cripple. Then they'd give themselves all kinds of OP caveats. Nah. You're healed or you're out of the game. Choose one.
@@Phantomcrustacean Just sacrifice a couple of villagers to a Dark god, problem solved. You get your legs fixed, and have demonic powers. Its a win win, unless a hero decides to ruin everything.
The issue for me, is that I have a wheelchair. And I've been a (failed) boxer. I know just how big a deathtraps those things are. And that's ignoring things like stairs, which most evil lairs have. As for why anyone would want to play a cripple? It's because it's their fetish. Oh, they'll scream and deny and call you things like 'Ableist' (Yeah, they did me and I have a wheelchair), but it's a turn on for them.
Good luck clumbing the evil wizard's tower with that. Or crossing a rope bridge or spelunking in a cave. Or escaping the dungeon when the guards take away your chair. If the hero can afford a magic wheelchair that allows for all that, then they can also afford magic strong enough to make them walk.
"So Emperor puppy kicker, can you share the secret of your rise to power?" "Of course, reporter lickspittle. You see I observed Lieutenant Disposable battle against the heroes and realized their most powerful warrior was in a wheelchair so I removed the ramps to my tower. Then I observed Major Useless and their battle in which it became obvious their wizard was blind so I bought a bunch of loud squaking parrots and released them outside my tower. Then when the heroes showed up and were stumped by their inability to enter and I just had an archer pick them off one by one."
One can make the argument that it takes very advanced and powerful healing magic to restore someone's ability to walk after being paralyzed, but at the same time one can make an equally strong argument that losing the ability to walk means you shouldn't be out adventuring. By this exact logic, children and the elderly should be on the front lines on combat
Look at my new character sheet guys, my magic wheelchair barbarian ignores the world of stairs and can levitate to the top of the necromancer's tower, and can over all terrain, and scale cliff sides...you're out of the game kyle.
Warforged are literal magic robots made from scratch, do you really think a wizard van't make some functional prosthetic legs? That shoot Fireballs at will? We are not talking about wheelchair bound peasants but wheelchair bound heroes...guys who are stacked.
Actually it only takes a single level 2 spell slot. One Lesser Restoration instantly fixes paralysis. A Paladin can do it without even spending a spell slot.
Actually, I would argue that given that magic exists - it is even MORE dangerous for someone who cannot walk to go adventuring. Cannot get out of the way of a fireball if you are bound to a wheelchair. Though the elderly may be good front lines if they are master wizards, kids if they signed a good enough warlock pact.
I suggest wokies play Crusader Kings 2 - there your character can not only be crippled, but even be in a coma. Isn't this a celebration of progress? When the greatest empire is ruled by someone who can't wipe himself... And I'm not talking about Brandon
@@AngryPug76 Pretty sure the god emperor is more of an icon than a leader. Plus being comatose isn’t really much of a limitation when your psycher abilities are so vast you can make a tangible astral projection halfway across the galaxy and pop thousands of heads with a mere thought.
Reminds me of that one scene in Redo of Healer where Keyaru heals a sword saint who lost her arm in battle. He literally restored her arm is if it had never been lost. When your magic system is capable of restoring lost limbs and otherwise permanent damage, disabilities cannot possibly exist except through choice. Of course, most people are not deranged enough to be disabled by choice. Their own argument fails.
I think one could argue how the healing works. Does it repair damage or bring it to a previous state before damage? Either way, if you make a character with a missing limb, your character should grow from it. A man isn't his injuries or his past, but rather how he grows from it.
Well choice or the natural state of your race..... Mermaids and Beholders are both incapable of walking for example.... (And sometimes it's the result of a stupid choice like someone using sovereign glue to trap a mans legs inside a bag of holding.... Which in of itself would be deeply unpleasant and result in a race against time to find a way to free them before the bag fills up completely....) With a little creativity one can justify the existence of disability as at least a temporary thing... (I could also imagine there being a seedy doctor that not only sells wheelchairs and other mobility aids, but will buy your legs for a high enough price to make it seem almost worth being disabled for however long it takes to get healed.... Meanwhile your legs get used to make a flesh golem....)
I had an amputation of my lower leg and nerve complications preventing me from getting a prosthetic. I have been stuck in a chair or on crutches for 4+ years because of Canadian healthcare. When I play a game I want to run, fly and could give a sh!t about representation. I already get the best parking. I get prime seats at concerts. Last time I went to Metallica I parked next to their tour bus. People are always nice and helpful when I am out and about. If you are one of those people you kick ass and are appreciated.
Let me ask you, if you lived in a world of magic with your current condition, would you ask a cleric/mage/druid to regrow your leg (even if it comes with a cost)?
@@purpleguy319 of course he would. Also OP, do you have mechanical prosthesis? I heard there are some. Even basic bladerunner prosthetic is great for mobility. Also I somewhat remember that there are electronic prosthetics that don't need neural connections and rely on gyroscopes and sensors to adjust feet to the surface, bend the knee, etc.
@@purpleguy319 based on that a regenerate spell should cost around 10-22k gp and the average income being about 1.8-2k, we can extrapolate that to afford the treatment we have to pay around 5/13 times the average yearly income lets say 80k$. Makes somewhat between 400k$ and 1.04M$ in additional expenses.
@@hariman7727Yes and that's exactly why I'm grateful we don't have a Canadian health system here in the US. . . if I'd had to wait as long as the vast majority Canadians have to wait for medical treatment, I would've died when I was 18.
There are actually people who aren't disabled, but want to be now, or identify/pretend to be now. I am not kidding, there was a woman who rides around in a wheelchair, yet can go ski down slopes. There was also a woman who wanted to be blind and blinded herself. Being crippled or handicapped is not a trendy "identity," or unique "fun trait," this is very disrespectful to all people who are disabled, or handicapped.
@@Antiteshmis That depends on what setting we’re talking about, and how well magic and by extension healing magic works. Make sure to cover all your bases so that all they can do is fail their arms and scream
In some certain disabilities are still hard to fix or even expensive. Dungeons and Dragons, for example, you need access to Regeneration which is a high level spell with a hefty cost... outside what the usual peasant can heal.
_Adventurers_ would fix common disabilities. Because adventurers have _resources._ These bastards are trying to conflate "disabled adventurer" with "disability" so they can wear disabilities as a cosmetic without being shamed. Shame them viciously. Be as spiteful and mean as they are to us about anything. Abuse them like it's your religion.
@@Phantomcrustacean If you have a setting in which the disabled person cannot be healed / there cannot be work around for the wheelchair, there is simply no way said person would physically outcompete non disabled heros. You go back to modern world limitations.
Dungeons and Dragons has no dismemberment rules, and since a simple cure wounds spell is able to literally close down bleeding organ wounds (since you can use it to heal a character who is on deaths door) there is nothing saying it could not reattach a limb if you can find it. Regenerate is for when you need to regrow the limb from scratch.
I get it 😅but , it's a redundant spell, probably only inside the castle has flat enough floors, even the best medieval roads inside kingdoms would still be full of poop, pee, grime, and pot holes. sry
*Laughs in barbarian speed and reckless attack as I proceed to ditch the wheelchair and crawl up the stairs to fight you.* I'm of the mind if you want to play a disabled character you need to consider what they can realistically do without their mobility aid.... DnD has crawling mechanics for a reason. It also has rules for fighting from prone position as well for a reason.... It might not be optimal, but with the right build there really isn't anywhere you can't go even if limited to crawling at half speed only. (That and if you can fight effectively sitting in a wheelchair you c an probably fight effectively seated in a dining chair, or on a barrel, or sitting on an immovable rod..... Just have a wizard make a shied version of the immovable rod and you have a fairly portable seat in a pinch....
Literally the modern design for wheelchairs. Actually, there’s no handbrakes. So wheelchair that can’t lock down? Perfect for someone that might need to stay still, while aiming a weapon maybe. 🎩 🐍 no step on snek!🇭🇰🇺🇸
Seriously, a wheelchair? A boring ass WHEELCHAIR??? If ANYTHING, she would ride a giant wolf ! A wyvern ! A goddamn mechaspidertron! Or even better yet, use the same goddamn magic to levitate, and or Fly ! ... and we are not even talking about transformations. Or, y know, healing magic.
I like it when systems put restrictions on things. And there's some things healing magic just CAN'T heal. Otherwise you've got a world of literal immortal Gods. There needs to be SOME restrictions on what magic can and cannot do. ...but in a fantasy setting, there's ALWAYS going to be a better option than merely a freaking wheelchair.
That picture would have to be THE funniest thing I've ever seen. Anyone who stumbled across that in a fantasy setting would pee themselves laughing and rightly so. They didn't even bother to draw the wheelchair like it was made with medieval technology... rofl.
That's what I was thinking... How are these heroes supposed to go through the alps of mountains, and the rooted and stumped paths of forests... How do they entire the fire world that will melt parts of their wheelchair? How will the gears turn in the frozen trenches of an ice world? How do they swim if knocked overboard a ships vessel? How do you ever "Silently sneak" past any enemy ever if you have a wheelchair that will mostly likely have more wear and tear than most peoples cars they've owned for 10 years after traveling through such events?
@@jehmmadicine4367 Well the how do they swim if knocked overboard is actually easy.... They ditch the chair and just swim.... How do they sneak around? I think Sam Fisher's apearance in Captain Lazerhawk is a good reference for that... (Again it involves leaving the wheelchair behind and just crawling around.... With classes like rogue, monk, and even barbarian simply crawling shouldn't be that big of a drawback.... Speed boosts for the win...) Heck it's fantasy, no reason why someone couldn't pull a Cotton Hill and walk around on their stumps.
@@minnion2871 You think a person who's wheelchair bound is suddenly going to be able to kick their feet and swim? Did you even think about what you were saying or are you completely ignorant on some of the most basic concepts? Even if crawling. The speed of you getting from one area to another is now going to take all your energy to reach from point A to point B. And you're not going to be able to muffle the noise of you dragging your lower half behind you. You're not crawling silently like a normal person. Who has control of their bottom half and can make it silent as possible. So not only are they now going to be completely exhausted, using all your upper body strength to do so. But the timing also will be inconvenient. If you're ditching your chair at point A to crawl to point B. Your chair is never going to be back at point B, for you to suddenly not crawl again. So you'd be reduced to crawling for the rest of the entire adventure........ These aren't even real answers. This is the kind of stuff people say for Satire in south park episodes. But I'm pretty sure you're taking yourself seriously which is concerning.
Even magic aims for verisimilitude. Systems exist for magic with rules and regulations and costs and benefits (especially for hard magic, but even for soft magic), and these rules have to be followed or else it'd be "unrealistic." Magic would just be another reality in the fantasy world, like physics. Using magic as an example of "anything is possible, no rules needed" shows there is no understanding on how to write fantasy worlds.
Cope. Every medieval fantasy setting has healing magic or healing potions so effective its magical almost without fail. Only an able bodied person would want to roleplay in a wheelchair. People actually in wheelchairs don't fantasize about still being in them. Its just able bodied people larping as a cripple and pretending its representation.
Cope. Magic is an excuse to break phisics. Wizards use arcane math to break the universe in useful ways. Clerics ask the gods to bend the rules of the universe for them. A broken back is such a small problem to both. A wizard will invent new legs, and a cleric would restore them to perfect order. In a universe where there are mortal beings who can simply formulate a potion to fix greivous wounds or say a prayer and make an offering to restore a life, there is absolutely zero excuse for any kind of disability imposed by injury, and genetic disability is non-existant due to regular clerical healing magic for pregnant women literally anywhere that a cleric is in residence. Incurable disabilities would be like curses or punishments meted out by the gods as a sign that a person is evil or has broken holy laws/customs like being a cannibal or killing children or something.
even terry pratchets diskworld with its anything goes magic system and bullshit reality warping logic(anything with a million to one odds automatically succeeds) - even that had things that could and could not be done
@metaempiricist don't know if you're misunderstanding my point, but I was just saying that saying magic allows you to do anything is false, so saying that that is equivalent to being in a wheelchair "because anything goes" is false as well. Anything doesn't go when it comes to a fantasy magic system. Anyways, as you say, because magic exists, it will interact with "reality" in such a way that there's no "need" to have disabled immobile in a wheelchair unless they really want to. (but also, likely these are the same people who don't have any respect for how magic systems work, hence my comment.)
@@terracannon876 Your fault for posting a comment with a wishy-washy position. Don't use corpospeak in a public discussion. Make your position clear in your comments, that's the magic of truly open discussion.
Remember when disabilities were disabilities and characters had to find ways around it often gaining new abilities in the process? Instead we get THESE bozos who might as well be perfectly abled for intents and purposes. . Magic makes sense... Disabilities not disabling someone doesn't.
Absolutely! My favorite example is the Avatar guy, of course he’s going to choose to be a Smurf, he gets to have functional legs again. Would have been way more interesting if he stayed himself and overcame his disability.
I've actually made a disabled character before. In a Star wars universe who used the force to see and their modern technology that allowed him to see around himself in a 360 degree field of view.
That depends on the setting, We have to keep in mind if they have healing magic or not and how well it works, and what it heals. We gotta be thorough because when you’re thorough, you can counter all their questions and watch them spurge out
@@Phantomcrustacean okay then enchanted let Armour. It's like ppl are working so hard to find excuses.. INSTEAD OF JUST DOWNRIGHT LESS TIME IMAGING A KEWL MYSTICAL SOLUTION ETC. Like a freaking floating carpet even ffs!
Or pray to some divine to cure you of your ailments and disabilities. Also sacrificing people to a Dark God, you get your legs back, and demonic powers. Win Win!
@@plumaDshinigami yes, but also make sure you understand magic settings so that they can’t catch you offguard. Counter their claims by talking about what setting it is or the magic scaling, what are the limits, drawbacks, Is there even healing magic in the setting at all? Things like that
@@Phantomcrustacean Nah, just say "fuck you". There are only two types of settings: settings where you can easily gain access to magic/technology to heal, and settings too dangerous to allow a wheelchair bound person to adventure.
3 things, 1) if someone wants to they can no one is saying they can't but it also shouldn't be forced, 2) why would someone in with a disability not want to play someone without, games are escapism not real life 3) in a world with magic that can resurect the dead and regenerate limbs why would anyone be disabled when magic can fix it?
Yeah, a ranger in wheelchair. Animals will hear him/her from miles away while he/she struggling to get the share over tree roots or stums in the forest or falling repeatedly out of the char every time it is about to examinate a track. Sounds like a blast. Imagen the struggle to get up on slopes or have to climb over rocks. A blast indeed. Sure they may perhaps the new spell “summon accessibility ramp”
Maybe she doesn't actually need it and was just taking a load off in the dungeon she's in when the party got jumped by some mooks that aren't worth standing up for? (As for why there was a wheelchair in the dungeon in the first place? Well adventuring is dangerous business and if there are wheelchair warriors rolling around it stands to reason that it wouldn't be unheard of to find abandoned wheelchairs or wheelchair parts to be just laying around a dungeon....
Imagine the face of a woke GM if an able bodied player asked to play a character in a magical wheelchair. Like it’s ROLEPLAYING not Mary-sueing, it’s not as if you’re supposed to just play yourself.
As a GM I would make that guy's life miserable. Magic can tno effect the wheelchair in anyway if magic can't heal your legs. Mocked and bullied by the kids in town. Constantly berated by his fellow party memebers. Left behind in dungeons cause can't get the wheelchair through doors or over breaks in the floor. Can't outrun a pack of wolves that knock him over and eat his legs first. Just make his fantasy character's life a living hell.
@@sparhawk2195 Now hear me out.... What if I wanted to play an able bodied character who uses a non magical wheelchair? (They're the party rogue and a con artist, who while in town cons people into giving them money so they can get their legs healed.... (They wear a bag of holding under their pants to really sell the con of being disabled...)
@@haku8135 That wasn't drawn thats straight-up AI generated in case the additional bowstrings that vanish into nothingness around her arm didn't instantly give it away for you ...
Fact check: false All the ones at hospitals look more worn than this one which has presumably been through all the rigamarole of adventuring, including acid and fireballs.
Good point about the Rorschach test. A lot of people wrongly believe that they can infer all your values (and probably hate you) based on learning your ideas about one topic.
@libertyprime1614 Ashame that 5e ensures everyone is literate in at least two languages. It’d be hilarious to play a character that keeps trying to fix a long term injury but is too stupid and illiterate to find the correct cure.
The problem isn't even disabled charracters the problem is the wheelchair and lack of creativity you can have charracters that are blind deaf or can't walk but have powerfull magic or attributes they use to counterbalance the disability but here nope wheelchair
Exactly also you could even have Something like this in a story IF its done right. For instance overwatch is over the top it has talking Gorilla a grim dark gunslinger and more if you had a wheelchair bound person in that setting no one would mind because it fits that universe. But if you expect me to accept people with dissabilitys in a tactic special ops team like in Rainbow six siege a game that is aiming for realism than you just dont get it
Renegade from Ys 9 is a good example of a wheelchair bound protagonist. He's the sixth character to join the party. All characters in Ys 9 have a normal human form and a "Monstrum" form. For the rest of the party, they can take on their normal human form until they need to use their monstrum powers, and they do run around town pretty freely until they use their powers. For Renegade, he is wheelchair bound normally. (Its a wooden wheelchair as well, not some "modern" looking wheelchair.) He CAN, however, walk while in his Monstrum form. As such, when he's playable he just always stays in his Monstrum form.
It’s not the disability itself that’s the problem, it’s the presentation. Daredevil is one of the best superheroes ever written, and I have never had a problem with Oracle or Freddie Gomez. The problem is that modern writers don’t know how to present a disabled character in such a way that they’re still cool.
if the best you can come up with in a fantasy world full of magic and golems is a wheelchair then your entire argument is invalid. also, just get healed. for someone to have a body like that they likely have enough money to afford a healing potion, cleric, or w/e is needed to solve the problem and even if no mortal can deal with it then you can ask one of the gods to do it with a shockingly high chance of them doing it.
If i had a player insisting on a disabled character in the campaign, I'd allow it... and all the positive and negative impacts that come with it. I mean, sure, it's worth at least a conversation. However, I am in NO way going to honey my campaign and the player should be prepared to reroll a new character sooner than later.
If I had an able bodied player insisting on a wheelchair bound character, the campaign would feature an inordinate amount of stairs, ladders, and charitable Cleric NPCs willing to heal serious conditions for free.
@OniGanon most handicapped people aren't going to live long out in the wilds. Darwin had a theory about it. Do you want your wheelchair bound elf archer? Good friggin luck vs. the hill giants throwing rocks and your lack of dodge!
@@williamdistefano5698 We have skeletons of disabled people from before civilization. The first Neanderthal found was twisted from severe arthritis and was pretty old. It's why for awhile they thought that's what they looked like. Which means depending on the disability, they lived fairly normal lifespans. Edit: An injury that created an open wound was much more deadly than say arthritis, uneven limbs, or other such things. Obviously they wouldn't have a mate because no woman would want children like that.,
I want to play a cleric that has had a crisis of faith and no longer believes in his deity, so he can't cast any spells. Also, he was in a terrible river boat accident and lost both of his arms, so he can't use weapons or fight in any way. And he has a club foot, so the best he can do is hobble. Also, he has chronic halitosis and suffers severe fits of narcolepsy when under stress. Plus he's diabetic, has asthma and is allergic to tree nuts.
The fact it took me til the club foot to realize this was a shitpost means ive been giving too much faith in some people. I was thinking "oh, so he was gonna get new arms right?" man...
The most annoying thing was wheelchairs in a space sci Fi game. X4 foundations. Come on! You have space ships, teleports and sentiment AI... And still don't cure spine or leg damage? Who would choose to use wheelchairs if they had the choice? Show the future worth dreaming of. Some folks lose limbs, but it's sci Fi, give them cool augmentation or new limbs.
My problem is just that they always have modern looking wheelchairs in these pictures. They don't fit. Might as well have a hovering rocket power wheelchair because why not
You know how freaking hard moving a wheel chair on a dirt road is? Hell, even a cobble stone road would be terrible to ride on. Not to mention going through a field, forest, swamp, desert, up a mountain, down a ravine, let alone through a cave system. 😂😂😂😂 These people really have no clue about things, which is why so many, if not all, of their solutions fail. 😂😂😂
You pretty much single handedly called out their entire agenda in as little as two sentences. I'm impressed. This is the most succinct way I've ever seen of putting it...
Well better hope the 50 level dungeon has wheelchair ramps, or the disabled person is stuck at the entrance. Or is the mage supposed to sacrifice one of their spell slots to levitate the wheelchair down every flight of stairs?
Tbh , sacrifices are often needed to ensure our own survival . Even when the Wheelchair-PC must fight alone against 7 Wolves and few ogres . The Deadweights arent needed for an adventure .
"Her legs are very muscular for not working!"
I guess we have to accept the existence of insurance fraud in a medieval setting too...
medieval florida
this topic got even more unpleasant real fucking fast
This comment wins the Internet
@@AbyssalMantaHunchback of Notre Dame Gypsies say "hi".
Well. Remember these people use "realism" as a excuse to make things boring.
I’m a disabled vet. None of my characters in anything are cripples. That’s kinda the point. I spend all my real time crippled.
And fantasy erases the limitations forced on us by reality. Why should we HAVE to deal with them in fantasy if we don't have to?
Exactly. 99% of the time in a traditional story, a character has a disability for narrative purposes. Stuff like this just seems...stupid.
@@chilomine839 because the first thing that goes in a failing economy is entertainment, so the only people working in entertainment are people who think this is a good idea or people afraid of losing their job by saying this is not a good idea.
I think the closest I ever did was during a deus ex play thru I specifically chose a poison filtration or something cause I lost a kidney in the Army so it was like my little nod to it.
On the other hand, you have to admit representation of disabled people in fantasy is not that bad and is actually very historically accurate. Take Ivar the boneless, king Baldwin or king John of Bohemia.
Why are her legs so muscular if they don't work
Also why is she in a modern wheelchair?
Did *too* much leg day
@@TheStarcleaver It's not medieval fantasy, it's the world after they implement communism. She can't get guns and even the wood for the bow and arrow cost a fortune, but of course wheelchairs are made for free in the work camps.
If you can accept magic then you can accept a woman in a wheelchair with muscular legs.
@Sydra. But that is illogical
“Accepting magic shouldn’t be easier than accepting disabilities in a fantasy setting.”
Evil wizard: “I agree! Now accept that I cast heat metal on the wheelchair.”
BBQ!
This is how we really gatekeep.
"Oh, you wanna bring that in my house? Fine. Now defend it."
@@EliSkylander this! Just because your character has a disability does not mean they get plot armor that defends them from all hazards that the disability does not allow them to easily conquer.
If I remember the DnD rules about the "combat wheelchair" correctly, they are indestructible and immune to magic.
Either thier chairs have anti-magic field or i just cast quicksand underneath them or simply transform ground in a hole of stairs
Literally anything which basically requires either levitation to deal with or functional pair of legs
Wheelchairs only work in our modern world with concrete everywhere, a wheelchair is not an all terrain vehicle, mud, marshes, desert, swamp, river crossing.
Skip the wheel chair, I ran an D&D Adventure League module that required climbing don tunnels and sharp drops on ropes. One player had a centaur character. They insisted on playing the centaur character. The first major drop where they had to use ropes to climb down the centaur was stuck. The weight was much for a rope. The player just assumed I would modify the module to suit the centaur. Nope.
Stupid non-ADA dungeons with no ramps or elevators!
In a world where magic exists, a wheelchair is just the ghetto mobility option. Sister, we've got so many artifacts that can fix that, and you're gonna use some clumsy wheels that will get you stuck fast the first time it sees mud? Good luck with that; I'm gonna stick with my Battle-Panther.
i went to a week long festival many years ago with some friends, one of whom was in a wheelchair. it was certainly rough going on the grass, but he managed…. until it started to rain. by the end of the week, i had just decided to leave my shoes in the car c7z there was so much mud, and i hadn’t seen him for a day until i passed by him leaving one band’s show and all he had to say was “PAVE THE EARTH.” 😂
They frame it as if we hate disabled people. They refuse to admit that this image is cringe-inducingly dumb because it is absurd.
Are dungeons typically wheelchair accessible now?
Can she outmanoever the goblins rushing to surround her?
Do her arms get tired rolling through the medieval cobblestone streets?
Does her party contract oblige the wizard to reserve his Fly spell for her for every encounter, so she can keep up?
What does Barbarian Rage in a wheelchair look like?
These DEI dopes insult people by making everything awkward. Give her mechanical dwemer legs to pilot or something.
>Muscular atrophied legs
I mean they're so musucular they look dried...
If they really wanted to make a point, a picture of Hyakkymaru from Dororo would actually hit the point. But then she would have to recognize that things like that already exist, it's just them that are incapable of making anything good.
They must have used magic for pumping them leggs that hard. Why didn't they use magic to un-paralyse themselves?
As soon as i see that image i was going to said that
@@trevorp8124 maybe they are atrophied. it’s just that her legs were previously indistinguishable from the hulk.
Heroes with disabilities are long accepted.
Daredevil
Anakin Skywalker
Luke Skywalker
Edward Elric/Alphonse Elric
Ouma Shu
Red-Haired Shanks
Malenia Blade of Miquella
and many more.
But disabilities for the sake of disabilities check boxes will not be accepted.
It also depends on the manner of the disability. In ALL of those cases, the disabilities are something they learn to overcome, and it isn't something that prevents them from being a hero.
The inability to walk is a pretty big disability to overcome. It CAN happen, but it depends on specific circumstances.
One example: Renegade from Ys 9: Monstrun Nox. In Ys 9, the "Monstrums" are basically alternate forms each of the protagonists can take. When wandering around the overworld, each character can either take their monstrum form or they are stuck in their normal human form. When in monstrum form, though, they can use special powers (and whenever using said powers they automatically swap to this form).
Renegade's "normal" form, however, is disabled. He literally can't walk at all. As such, you can never control him in his normal human form. Instead, he always takes his "Monstrum" form and just puts on a disguise when walking around normally.
Its also notable that even though he does have a wheelchair, its just a fairly ordinary wooden chair with wheels on it, its not some sort of "modern" wheelchair shoved into a medieval setting that looks out of place.
Agreed. Heck, joker ( massive effect) and Barbara Gordon are 2 great examples of wheelchair using heroes, but it still has the drawbacks and sensibility behind how they can do things. Professor Xavior is another good example. What's the one thing each of them can't do ( when wheelchair bound)? Adventure and do massive physical activity
Don't forget Guilty Gears Baiken, god I love Baiken
Guts from Berserk. Guy is missing a arm, eye, and has PTSD. And what does he do to overcome his disabilities? Got a arm cannon, learned to see with one eye, and deals with his PTSD by beating the crap out of demons.
@@ForestX77However, they hate Guts because he doesn't dwell on his problems. All they want to do is wallow in their self-imposed misery and expect everyone else to applaud and pity them.
The worst part is it could look so much cooler, considering it's magical. (like tree roots spider legs, a golem mount/throne, even eldritch legs the list goes on)
But as i've said before, DEI is the death of creativity.
A dude using a golem like an exosuit would be one of the coolest things ever.
@@Trehlas Half-Golems are a thing if you dig deep enough into 3rd edition
@@Trehlas or heck imagine a druid cursed with paralysis by a demon using a suit of living vines as a exomuscle suit to move around.
Witch Hat Atelier actually has magical "wheel chairs" and such
The spider legs all have wheelchairs too
>me magic user
>disabled party member
>*casts restoration*
"Nooo! It doesm't work! Xir is disabled with legs immune to magic! You have to feel sorry for xir!"
"Reeeee. You took away my victim points!" - formerly disabled NPC
May be wrong but I think in DnD a second level paladin can get rid of paralysis by a single use of Lay on Hands.
Disability is still feasible in fantasy settings but really only by way of an extraordinarily powerful spell or curse, one which would resist restoration spells, remove curse, dispel magic and the like OR in a situation where magics which could cure a disability are unavailable, either due to associated cost or location. In the first case, the caliber of a spellcaster you had to annoy dictates that these will be incredibly uncommon. In the second case, it would only really be reserved for lower class npcs, because wealthy would be able to afford healing spells and player characters would gain access to such magic rather quickly.
@@TTMS-Khaz-kunand then another player that is an Artificer just makes robotic legs .
@@zmortis111 Life of Brian.
Professor X proves that they have NO CLUE about what makes a Hero.
No shit. Only a few years ago, they were declaring that Professor X is the same as Magnito when it came to his Brotherhood of Mutants. Literally said they are the same as each other.
Totally backwards. The entire point is that you accept magic exists and then think about all the ways it makes the world different. This is why you gatekeep.
good explanation.
Also magic has FUCKING RULES, it doesn't instantly mean the barbarian can fistfight the dragon while in a wheelchair - he would instead use a very expensive cape that gives him a magical fly speed, why would he use a FUCKING WHEELCHAIR!?
@@doombybbrexactly this.
A disabled character with something like a birth defect would likely become a wizard / artificer who mixed constructs that replaces his legs by carrying him around and giving him minions to fight with him.
Or a magical exoskeleton that does the work for him.
Just porting over wheelchairs into the setting is lazy. That's the biggest problem.
Well something to consider.
One of the greatest minds in human history, certainly the greatest mind in several centuries, was paraplegic and had to speak through a machine. A man who suffered from early onset Motor Neurone Disease, yet a man who completely changed how we look at modern Theoretical Physics.
If that is possible in a world WITHOUT magic, what is possible in a world WITH magic...
Because here is the problem, you people are all thinking of reasons why disabled people CANNOT be heroes, not one of you are thinking about how application of magic could help them to BE heroes...
And the only reason why you are thinking in that one dimensional manner is because you are biased AGAINST the idea from the outset....
Let me point out to that man again, Stephen Hawking, who despite his disabilities has left a legacy as one of the finest scientists the human race has EVER had....
What can any of you able bodied folks claim? And who are YOU to say what may and may not be possible in a world where there is actually magic? Maybe you should open your minds and perhaps think on how magic could in fact compensate for disabilities. No one said it had to be easy.... Nothing in life ever is...
@@doombybbrwhy you pair barbarian with magic is a bit mismatch
HOLY H!
She has muscles that DO NOT EXIST on legs she DOES NOT USE!
Talk about being offensive to disabled people. This is plain mockery for me.
Could it work if the character just recently been disabled?
The fact that its a modern day wheelchair is the icing on the cake.
@@Jaxvidstar Only in Baki universe considering how those muscles look.
But it would have to be less than week ago.
I did had complex leg injury this year (1st time, getting old), long story short: even after week you literally loose all muscle definition and a lot of muscle mass if you literally cannot use Your leg to walk at all.
@@thefallenfaith1986 True XD
The pic makes no sense on so many levels it is meme worthy
Ah, but you see, that is the problem: those muscles that don't exist are working against the regular muscles resulting in canceling each other out! For example, whenever she tries to lift a leg, other muscles in her leg pull her leg down simultaneously, resulting in no movement! This is also why her legs are so muscular, even though her legs don't move an inch she can still work out her muscles this way! Now that design is some galaxy brain right there!
Doing them squats! Her legs are immaculate for not working
because its AI generated
No, no, no! You dont get it, she used magic to make her legs stronk! Do not ask why she doesnt use magic to fix them...
I thought the exact same thing when I saw this.
Dont think, just accept. 👍
Her legs may be moving on their own
If you can accept wheelchair barbarians, you can accept that I do not accept them.
Its so hypocritical. Like the lot who advertise how "tolerant" they are but don't tolerate intolerance. If you accept everyone, you have to accept disagreement
I can acept that a barbarian can become wheelchair bound due to an adventuring injery, but I can't acept that he would be doing any combat or dangerous adventuing in that state.
"You can accept magic, but you can't accept a Dodge Ram 1500 4WD pickup with heated seats? BIGOT!"
Wizard: I am just going to float or make a golem-suit.
Cleric: I restore her legs...
The Greater chair cushion of floating disk +2. Why roll around in a chair when you can soar.. at a height no greater than five feet?
If you're so wealthy you can afford to make a MODERN WHEEL CHAIR in a world so full of magic, surely you can afford to get a cleric to cast a spell to fix your legs.
In Baldur's Gate 3 there's literally a character that was paralyzed because of a deal she made with a Hag, and you can cast a second level spell and instantly fix her legs as a Cleric or use your Paladin healing to fix them. It's easy to do. For fuck's sake.
@@haku8135 You’d figure a curse put on you by a hag would be harder to break. Must be a pretty lousy hag if a level two cleric can come in and show them up like that.
@@MrNickPresley It wasn't like a REAL curse, and she wasn't actively making like a HAG deal.
She was disguised as just a kindly old woman, the tiefling girl wanted to be stronger, and she got a potion to do that not knowing the woman was a hag. She even warned her that it'd come with side effects.
You can find the hag's lair later on and the PROPER curses can't just be undone, not even by a much higher level character. You've gotta kill the Hag in order to end the real curses. She doesn't stay dead though.
It's a pretty fucking fun enemy actually, that whole plotline is good. Baldur's Gate 3 is a good game, go play that, not this muscular wheel chair woman. At the very least she's using a bow and not a fucking dagger.
If I were forced to play in a group with someone like this Id play a character that had been cursed with exessive bigotry by an evil lich.
In a world where healing magic exists, disabilities should not.
They can heal spinal injuries and correct defects. They choose not to.
(This is not a pro-wheelchair argument. It's a critique of a society that can cure spinal injuries *WITH COMMON MAGIC* but chooses not to.)
Like the one above me said...they did not wanted to be healed.
I mean... the poors can be disabled.
That depends on the setting.
We have to consider the genre, the level of magic, how it works, and how much of it can it heal?
We must be thorough so we can counter there every question and strawman
Skeleton Solider
Her worst nemesis is a rust monster.
Or stairs.
Her partymates call her Claptrap.
Or an unpaved path
Heat metal!
Goblin, I have the high ground now!
Sand, such as in deserts, dunes, beaches, kua-toa lairs,
also mud
forests would be a no go unless they are paved.
mountains would be unwheelable for you,
Ships would be a no go for you unless you locked the wheels to the deck.
water would be a no go.
same with lava.
basically all dungeons would also be impassible for you as well.
As well in combat all it takes is someone just strong enough to tip them out of the chair
That art hurts my brain. I feel like the artist knew almost nothing about either disability, the history of technology, or archery. The paraplegic has absolutely ripped leg muscles (something that even body builders don't get without partially dehydrating themselves before a show), any society with the precise machining necessary to make that mid-century wheelchair would be using better weapons than a recurve bow, and everything about the draw on that bow is wrong.
Also, that wheelchair has no right brake.
0:15 But if there's magic in that universe then can cure anything , The END !
Yep😂
Could have it where it cost a pretty penny to receive such services normally. Perhaps due to a scarcity of those who can perform the healing arts? Just cause magic in a world exist doesn't mean there can't be limits and rules within its system. In-fact it's often better when there is such.
However also gotta write the character to make sense within the world as well.
@failegion7828 Then you just have US Healthcare system where they'll charge you the arm and the leg you're attempting to have them fix, hits at little too close to home for some. Fantasy is all about escaping reality lol.
The Great Cleric anime comes to mind. A series about healing magic being overpriced due to the scarcity of people able to perform it and being able to set their own prices@@failegion7828
@@failegion7828 but still a wheelchair bound elf archer is super dumb
1995: "We need the new warriors to appear as powerful as possible."
2024: "We need wheelchair warriors."
My headcannon is that someone is selling water from Fukushima as drinking water. I can't explain US today otherwise.
@@adamuadamu5081that would make Japan have issue… maybe Flint.
The most feared warrior in British history was a disabled Viking who had to be carriedon a shield. In other nations, disabled warriors were common and praised as well. King John of Bohemia was an absolute badass, old man who was blind, probably not even able to walk that well, yet he is known for being a true knight until his death. Charging into the enemy lines and stopping their advance, thus saving thousands of allied soldiers and the life of his son.
@neverstopschweiking
Don't be this person. You don't have to defend stupid ideas by using historic data which may or may not be true...
@neverstopschweiking
There is a blind kid who played football in America. He played for the whole season. Needless to say, he contributed nothing to the team, and in actuality, he took away another player's position who could have contributed the team.
This is what happens.
"You can accept dragons, elves and talking trees, but you can't accept a 2021 BMW 5 series 530i with optional heated seating. Why are you so biggoted?" - A meme that's been around for years but is somehow still relevant.
More like "YOU can accept dragons, elves, and talking trees, but not the fact that there are thousands of not MILLIONS of ways to deal with that better than a wheelchair for a fantasy setting"
They loathe logic, even the internal logic of a consistent world. "Logic is white supremacy."
@@michaelsorensen7567 A fantasy setting does allow wheelchairs to exist if implemented in a believable way, said fantasy setting also allows other options depending on the type of fantasy and the extent of it's relevant systems.
Could use specialized golems, magic hover pillows, robotic limbs, specialized exo-skeletons, healing magic, levitation magic, etc. and all before touching anything that's just a straight up wheelchair.
@@GoblinKing117 "if implemented in a believable way" is the part I've got serious issue with. Given the plethora of objectively better solutions, ESPECIALLY given the known dangers of adventuring, it's just not believable.
Realistically, any combat roll against a wheelchair user would necessarily have advantage, because they can EITHER use their weapon, OR move, but not both. It takes an action to stow or draw a weapon, right? So they can't action attack, action stow, then use their hands to move the chair. Since they're completely unable to move with a drawn weapon, they're MUCH more likely to be hit. You could try and circumvent that by being a bare handed combatant, but you're not really gonna have reach at that point. A 3' sword in a 3' arm has 5' of reach, in part because all the moving around in the fight means your useable area where you can effectively get a strike in is reduced. Take away the 3' sword... You basically have to grapple to get a melee strike in. And how can you beat a contested acrobatics check IN A WHEELCHAIR?!
ALL of this goes away with ANY magical conveyance, let alone mounted combat rules. Worst case, ABSOLUTELY worst case, you just reskin a centaur with a steampunk lower half "chair" and you've got your disabled but capable hero. The wheel and the chair aesthetics make NO sense in any scenario magical enough to be fantasy. I'd much rather be a wolf rider paralyzed from the legs down than a wheelchair bound incompetent.
@@michaelsorensen7567 Right? What are these people expecting, OSHA inspectors checking for wheelchair availability in Lich Lairs?
In any sensible world, trying to fight a dragon while sitting in a wheelchair is a one way ticket to the afterlife. Ergo, any sensible hero who has such a disability would first seek a remedy before throwing him- or herself headfirst into such danger, because last time i checked people aren't stupid! At least not stupid enough to take risks like that on a whim.
Ergo, Heroes in wheelchairs are an idiotic idea to begin with and a sorry excuse for an attempt at pandering.
As for me, the main problem lies in the fact that they do not understand the meaning of escapism. Even in realistic settings, people don't want to see all the ins and outs of the real world. Imagine if, before the start of GTA, we would have been shown difficult teenagers whose parents ended up in prison or shot on the streets due to crime. This is reality, but it doesn't suit the tone of the game. As well as showing the victims of real wars before the start of some shooter, such as Call of Duty.
People don’t want to see this not because they are snowflakes, but because they have enough s№!7 in real life
Frodo climbing up Mount Doom in a wheelchair does sound pretty funny though
@@M4dM4n96he did not. Sam carried him. And that’s what it would look like.
Edward from full metal alchemist is a great cripple.
@@Xplora213 Sam did wheelchair parkour up the mountain trials bike style while carrying Frodo. This is Amazon canon.
"The existence of magic should not be easier than accepting the existence of disabled people". Okay, putting aside the fact those two things have nothing to do with each other:
- Disabled people existing does not make basic law of physics disappearing, hence adventuring with disabled limbs being a terrible idea.
- Why does disabled people HAVE to be adventurers, when they are plenty of other more adapted and perfectly respectable jobs? You realize there's a reason people in medieval era didn't go to war in wheelchair, right?
- If you talk about magic, why do you conveniently ignore actual magical solution to disability (artifical limbs, levitation magic, mounts), fairly accessible at that, to bring instead the more mundane, unpractical and unimaginative disabled tool possible?
In a world of magic why wouldn't someone that is crippled *not* seek out some magic fix? I mean you could have them become an Armorer Artificer; making themselves self moving greaves to walk with. Or a Warlock who accepts a deal in return for his legs/spine being fixed. Or a Cleric who prayed to a god, was healed and so moved they took up the cloth.
The worst part is that you can make interesting characters and stories including disabilities as plot points, but their superficial view on the topic makes people avoid it
This
And they will never Accept they just have no real Imagination or talent and just badly copy what others before them have Established in the various genres rather than build on it
This. I had a character who was maimed by necrotic fey blight. Restoration and regeneration weren't working (mother was an archdruid), and she eventually had prosthetic limbs like Edward Elric from an artificer who eventually became a friend and traveling companion. I should specify that we weren't doing the anti-metal mindset druids have in the rules so we basically were citing desperation on the mother's part.
All in all, Luca was a fun character with a creative reason behind the disability. Something people these days lack in their hamfisted DEI schlock.
Why stoo at wheel chairs? Whats the limiting principle? If magic is so easy to accept, why not a 1965 Ford F100 Twin I-Beam with a 460 Police Interceptor?
Right? And fuck magic, wheres my minigun?
dont give me flashbacks to when I DM'd for a min-maxing power gamer group, that where all doing their masters in different engineering fields...
The absurd power scaling and WMD created in that campaign, along with the magi-tecnological hights of an arms race that occurred between nations, it's horror and high jinx fun beyond understanding
Don't give them ideas. But hey, if they want to make their campaign boring asf, idk.
@@gampie13 Why not mix in the other franchises and let my cleric exchange gold for a star destroyer painted in my god's colors? I can pray for the gift of astronavigation.
@@gampie13forgive me, but reading that they were all engineers made me grin evilly.
DM: "You approach the long and huge Stairs to the ruined temple of Disablus . "
Wheelchair warrior : " Well .... looks like we need to cancle the quest . Its not wheelchair friendly ."
DM : "You head back to the village because the physicly and mentally disabled warrior , ruins our fun ."
* The whole group looking angry at the fun-destructive doofus *
ALWAYS GATEKEEP !!!!
"Temple of Disablus" 😂
Chaotic Evil Assassin: “I would like to assist the Warrior up the stairs. Then push her down.”
Meanwhile a disabled wizard just floating
Or a necromancer having an army of undead to carry them up.
Creativity
Disabled characters can work if you use the actual fantasy stuff in the fantasy universe.
"uuuuhm, lucky for you, the disciples of Disablus built wheelchair-accessible ramps everywhere"
@@AdaTheWatcher In the actual rules, I think they just made the wheelchairs effortlessly fly over everything so that you basically never run into a situation where being in a wheelchair would actually matter.
"Boy, i sure do wish i didn't have functioning legs!" -No one.
It's not that her legs don't work, it's that they're so sore from all those squats that she's temporarily wheelchair-bound.
oh if only
She rolled a nat 20 to seduce the dragon
@@jackhazardous4008Clearly, not the Red Dragon.
to failure! a real muscle mommy!
This is acceptable.
The best part is that you can counter each of these arguments, simply asking what the setting is.
High?
Low?
Grounded?
Grimm dark?
What’s established in the world?
Do they have healing magic?
How well does it work?
Just bombard them with these questions and watch them spiral
They tend to call it 'bigoted patriarchal gatekeeping'... yeah, I know
@@dandare9055at this point, we might as well embrace it wholeheartedly.
They don't know what any of the terms mean, they also wouldn't answer they'd just start calling you a bigot.
@@GenericProtagonist7That's when you thank them for calling you that, and explain how the new definition of the word is "someone with common sense".
The question is easier.
"Does the setting have stairs?"
A: It doesn't make a lick of sense in a world with plentiful healing magic.
B: Cripples *don't like being crippled,* so they generally don't want to play cripples in games. It's called *escapism* for a reason.
Yup. There could be a work around, but it would have to be very specific for them to be wheelchair bound, such as far less healing magic/ far weaker healing magic, and any magic tools being very expensive. Even then, this would be temporary, until it can be fixed, or a better tool can be used
Escapism doesn't exist to those people, *EVERYTHING* must have current day stuff.
Actually. Some do. The full time victims. Knew a guy who was an artist. Everything he drew had to be wheelchair related. Everything he wrote was wheelchair related. Hell, all of the porn he watched had to be wheelchair related.
That's another story, no time for that right now.
Knew him before I started playing d&d, but he absolutely would make characters that were only in wheelchairs if he did play.
It was his identity. It was the only thing that made him feel special. It was the only way he could stand out. It was the only way he knew how to get attention.
It was the one most important detail, attribute, and quality that he saw in himself, and he really seemed to think nothing else about him mattered.
It's just fucking sad. But there are people like that. Even if offered a magic spell for FREE, to fully cure their legs, they'd refuse and say "no, this is who I am."
@@arxarcium3229 Reminds me of those gays who make their sexual orientation their entire identity, putting it at the center of their inner world and have everything else revolve around it, if they even have anything else. And since "gay" is their only way to see life and process the world around them, anything they don't like can only be judged as homophobia. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy you knew shouts "ableism" as soon as something doesn't go his way.
You would be surprised how many cripples think about their disability.
lol,
me getting my severed leg healed while glancing over at the wheelchair bound barbarian confused!
WTF😂
Ranger in a wheelchair? You ever actually walked through the woods? Nature isn't big on wheelchair ramps or access paths.
ETA: D&D 3.5 was peak D&D.
All you need is 4 wheel drive
@@frankquilo9633 Tried it. Doesn't work. Trees, etc...
@@TheBetterManInBlack + flamethrowers
@@frankquilo9633
"They're in the trees! THEY'RE IN THE FUCKING TREES!"
- Flame wizard on a wheelchair
ah yes, modern looking wheelchair in a fantasy setting. omegawow
Hey, in the old movie "Ator the Fighting Eagle" the hero somehow made an aluminum hang glider.... Mystery Science Theater 3000 even made a big deal about it when they riffed the movie. :)
All this means is that we're regressing from classic high fantasy, to utter schlock... Perhaps we'll soon see a whole sourcebook based on the movie "She" covering how to do really classy, post-apocolyptic fantasy... or rules for combat roller derby in a sword and sorcery environment.
omegaLUL
Doesn’t even match the characters armour. They could have at least made it look like it came from the same culture as the discount Wonder Women armour.
It's the kind of lack of imagination that marks them as mere tourists in the world they want to take over. They've never seen anyone whose legs don't work in anything other than a wheelchair, so that must be the only option.
Dude probably had a brainfart and thought he's looking at the world at a 4th wall
In a 5e oneshot a long time ago I rolled a high elven wizard who was *very, very* old. As in 'will probably crumple over at any moment' old. But since he was a talented wizard, he was able to compensate for his frailty with powerful spells, most especially ones which allowed him to shield himself without physical effort and evade encounters with an invisible hideaway.
Since he couldnt get around very fast, I ended up working with the DM to allow him to have essentially a modified Tenser's Floating Disk that he'd sit on and ride around like a weak Magic Carpet between encounters.
Pros:
-Not a *wheelchair*
-Can into STAIRS
-Looks cool
-Makes close enough sense in universe. Old-age frailty isn't something you just fix with a healing spell and call it a day. A broken spine literally is.
Cons:
-One spell slot
Why didnt the barbarian just carry him like a personally shoulder mounted artillery?
@@dantepizza6310 He'd break him if they hugged 💔
The level in technology is the problem. My mind says that an iron age level magical world cannot produce a modern wheelchair.
The bigger issue is that, in a world that has regenerative magic, and the ability to change reality via 'Wish' spells... A successful adventurer would have to CHOOSE to be in a wheelchair, rather than just paying to have their body healed or modified to function... or just buy some magic item that allows them to levitate about the place.
Wheelchais would work in a setting like the old WFRP setting though, where healing magic is near non-existent, though.
In a world where magic of all sorts exists why even have a standard modern wheelchair????
Like say you're a warlock. Why not, instead of a wheelchair, have a throne that spawns eldritch tentacles that moves it?
Exactly this. Like, if the disability were in-character, like a magic disability that requires constant magical energy to hide, then it would make sense in a way.
If wizards/artificers can make all sort of nonsense gadgets it would be possible to make a wheelchair. For me it's the fact that it would make the other players life more annoying. 99% of roads are mud, no accessibility in dungeons and imagine having to cross a forest or climb a montain having to carry a second character over most obstacles. You can make a character however you want, but then you can't camplain if the DM decides a slightly taller platdorm is all the villain needs to escape.
Why not? All they need is iron and rubber. The iron is trivial and for the rubber they only need to colonize the ebony kingdom. Then you create a lot of plantations and the ebonites can work them. Where's the problem?
Brandon Sanderson already solved this problem in his Stormlight Archive series. One of the side characters gets disabled. She builds a wheelchair. It doesn’t really work that well, but then she finds a solution that uses the world’s magic system. The problem isn’t the existence of disabled people. It’s how they respond to it.
But Rysn isn't really one of the "heroes", per se, though she played an important role.
Speaking of which, I was explaining on Reddit how by the rules of the setting, she could still be healed (use a Lightweaver to change her self-image followed by a Truthwatcher/Edgedancer to do the actual healing).
I got angry comments and got downvoted to oblivion.
It's not that you can't have the paraplegic, but having magic gives you opportunities for creative solutions beyond the wheelchair. Maybe you have a cleric who needs to maintain a certain vow or ritual with her patron deity in order to remain walking. Maybe you are a wizard who has to prepare and cast a certain spell every day that gives you the use of your legs, and if you lose your focus, you also lose your legs. The point is that there are so many ways in a fantasy setting that set you up to both have disabilities and really interesting ways to overcome them or deal with them that would also give any really good DM plenty of opportunities to create interesting story.
"It's not a weak point, Snake, it's a character flaw. Every character isn't complete without a flaw"
-a man who loves Japanimations from Japan.
In a fantasy realistic combat situation, having an incurable disability will always make you a party hindrance. There are not exceptions.
40K is a more realistic setting than 5E now. The game was supposed to be a terrifying journey into the unknown. The chair would not fit into many dungeon entrances. 🤦♂️
Just like being a woman
@@Xplora213 But the dungeon creation section of the DMG now states that all dungeon structures and "dungeon-like" adventure locations must be constructed with wheelchair accessible ramps and/or other handicapped accessible entrances, probably.
@@passthegrits and every enterprising dungeon builder will put a single step at the entrance to thwart the wheeled hoards....
Oh there are exceptions...what if I'm playing a necromancer who has the ability to transfer their own curses and impediments to nearby enemies?
In D&D magic can heal any wound, can even fix death. But fix your legs? No siree.
only way this would work is a Warlock is cursed by the gods themselves, but at that point he should have work-arounds, this doesn't happen at first level.
Even then, there is magic that explicitly says it fixes amputated and crippled limbs. Regeneration.
Granted the irony is that it's on the druid's spell list. Along with reincarnation that outright gives you a fresh new body.
@@jonathanwells223 Heal: Choose a creature that you can see within range. A surge of positive energy washes through the creature, causing it to regain 70 hit points. This spell also ends blindness, deafness, and any diseases affecting the target. This spell has no effect on constructs or undead.
So this mamajama can cure 2 disabilities straight off the bat, knit close any wound you might have, regain the blood you have lost. Fix any organ that might have been injured. Get rid of that flu you were trying to get rid of... But it doesn't fix your legs?
It's interesting how selective healing magic actually is... apparently.
@@nerdicusdorkum2923 Well, for every spell and magic, there is some other BS magic or plot device that says: Nope. So You COULD have a scenario where it doesn't work. Cursed by the gods. Corrupted magic. Spiteful evil entity that actively counterspells any attempt to fix that one particular person. It can be done.
But it's insanely stupid to focus on it and we all know why they do it.
@@nerdicusdorkum2923 regenerate is a 6th or 7th level spell, you can't pay someone to cast spells of 6th level or higher following adventure league rules, therefore you need to aquire a spell scroll, they are priced between 10-22k, which is translated to around 1-2M USD. Easy and affordable solution for everyone...😅
How is it possible that Terry Pratchett managed to make a senile wheelchair riding wizard amazing in the 90's and modern designers are only capable of reproducing the most boring design time after time.
Because Terry had talent.
A pratchett fan! He wrote satire that modern companies think of as serious
Well you see, he actually thought about it and these people don't actually think.
Pratchett's world treats the gods like a barkeep treats people who are still there at dawn, absolutely zero healing magic and any magic in existence operates on equivalent exchange. So a wheelchair could make sense.
Because Greater Restoration didn't exist on the Discworld and Terry was a really good author
...huh, didn't expect to bump into a Vee video on this account.
Speaking as a disabled person (though not to the extent of needing a wheelchair), there's NO WAY IN HELL I would not hunt down a healer as soon as possible in a setting with healing magic. Now, if this wasn't possible for whatever reason, I wouldn't endanger myself and others by joining a dungeon crawl...
This picture is self-contradiction, plain and simple.
An answer to the quote of the thumbnail: No, I will not accept mediocre trash.
If we can accept magic, we can accept there is healing magic that can cure disabilities rendering the whole point moot.
Or you know... there may not be such healing magic, or it may be too expensive/high level. You are not the one creating rules here.
@@GarcherLun Even if that were the case, an adventuring party would under no circumstance take a wheelchair bound person into their party. They would need constant help and would be dead in the first combat. It's ridiculous.
@@RatchildUK or maybe they wouldn't need any help, because [insert any fantasy reasoning]. Again, nobody has to follow YOUR rules just because you pulled them out of your ass.
I can accept that the guy in the wheelchair will die to fireball, given that magic exists.
True
In a fantasy video game, I can heal myself instantly with potions. With that magic, why would anyone be in a wheelchair?
Lmfao fantasy magic to cure broken legs
@@edgarbm6407 We have to consider the setting, do they have healing magic?
How well does the magic work?
What are the limits?
These are the questions we need to ask to make sure they don’t catch us off guard
@@Phantomcrustacean like I saw one guy say: "if someone tries to act disabled in my table, I simply make a wizard that pass by and regenerate all the disabilities for free and leaves."
Its a roleplaying game, the answer is: shut up and play the game to have fun.
@@blade8741 Only an able bodied person would roleplay as a cripple. Then they'd give themselves all kinds of OP caveats. Nah. You're healed or you're out of the game. Choose one.
@@Phantomcrustacean Just sacrifice a couple of villagers to a Dark god, problem solved. You get your legs fixed, and have demonic powers. Its a win win, unless a hero decides to ruin everything.
She's so buff only one thing can stop her.
Stairs.
The issue for me, is that I have a wheelchair. And I've been a (failed) boxer. I know just how big a deathtraps those things are. And that's ignoring things like stairs, which most evil lairs have. As for why anyone would want to play a cripple? It's because it's their fetish. Oh, they'll scream and deny and call you things like 'Ableist' (Yeah, they did me and I have a wheelchair), but it's a turn on for them.
Good luck clumbing the evil wizard's tower with that.
Or crossing a rope bridge or spelunking in a cave.
Or escaping the dungeon when the guards take away your chair.
If the hero can afford a magic wheelchair that allows for all that, then they can also afford magic strong enough to make them walk.
I clumb my wizard's tower every day, except during November.
Well, obviously the evil wizard's tower would have ramp access! He might be evil, but he's not a complete monster after all!
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"So Emperor puppy kicker, can you share the secret of your rise to power?"
"Of course, reporter lickspittle. You see I observed Lieutenant Disposable battle against the heroes and realized their most powerful warrior was in a wheelchair so I removed the ramps to my tower. Then I observed Major Useless and their battle in which it became obvious their wizard was blind so I bought a bunch of loud squaking parrots and released them outside my tower. Then when the heroes showed up and were stumped by their inability to enter and I just had an archer pick them off one by one."
One can make the argument that it takes very advanced and powerful healing magic to restore someone's ability to walk after being paralyzed, but at the same time one can make an equally strong argument that losing the ability to walk means you shouldn't be out adventuring. By this exact logic, children and the elderly should be on the front lines on combat
Look at my new character sheet guys, my magic wheelchair barbarian ignores the world of stairs and can levitate to the top of the necromancer's tower, and can over all terrain, and scale cliff sides...you're out of the game kyle.
Warforged are literal magic robots made from scratch, do you really think a wizard van't make some functional prosthetic legs? That shoot Fireballs at will?
We are not talking about wheelchair bound peasants but wheelchair bound heroes...guys who are stacked.
Actually it only takes a single level 2 spell slot. One Lesser Restoration instantly fixes paralysis.
A Paladin can do it without even spending a spell slot.
“Dear Gods, he’s a necromancer!”
“No you ageists, my geriatric soldiers are just old as fk, hang on while they shamble over.”
Actually, I would argue that given that magic exists - it is even MORE dangerous for someone who cannot walk to go adventuring. Cannot get out of the way of a fireball if you are bound to a wheelchair.
Though the elderly may be good front lines if they are master wizards, kids if they signed a good enough warlock pact.
I suggest wokies play Crusader Kings 2 - there your character can not only be crippled, but even be in a coma. Isn't this a celebration of progress? When the greatest empire is ruled by someone who can't wipe himself... And I'm not talking about Brandon
How DARE you! Lord Glitterhoof is the savior of the realm!
@@kathrineici9811 All hail Glitterhoof!
I think you described the emperor in Warcraft too.
@@AngryPug76
Pretty sure the god emperor is more of an icon than a leader. Plus being comatose isn’t really much of a limitation when your psycher abilities are so vast you can make a tangible astral projection halfway across the galaxy and pop thousands of heads with a mere thought.
"What am I, chopped liver over here? - Daredevil
Reminds me of that one scene in Redo of Healer where Keyaru heals a sword saint who lost her arm in battle. He literally restored her arm is if it had never been lost. When your magic system is capable of restoring lost limbs and otherwise permanent damage, disabilities cannot possibly exist except through choice. Of course, most people are not deranged enough to be disabled by choice. Their own argument fails.
I think one could argue how the healing works. Does it repair damage or bring it to a previous state before damage? Either way, if you make a character with a missing limb, your character should grow from it.
A man isn't his injuries or his past, but rather how he grows from it.
Well choice or the natural state of your race..... Mermaids and Beholders are both incapable of walking for example.... (And sometimes it's the result of a stupid choice like someone using sovereign glue to trap a mans legs inside a bag of holding.... Which in of itself would be deeply unpleasant and result in a race against time to find a way to free them before the bag fills up completely....)
With a little creativity one can justify the existence of disability as at least a temporary thing... (I could also imagine there being a seedy doctor that not only sells wheelchairs and other mobility aids, but will buy your legs for a high enough price to make it seem almost worth being disabled for however long it takes to get healed.... Meanwhile your legs get used to make a flesh golem....)
I had an amputation of my lower leg and nerve complications preventing me from getting a prosthetic. I have been stuck in a chair or on crutches for 4+ years because of Canadian healthcare. When I play a game I want to run, fly and could give a sh!t about representation. I already get the best parking. I get prime seats at concerts. Last time I went to Metallica I parked next to their tour bus. People are always nice and helpful when I am out and about. If you are one of those people you kick ass and are appreciated.
Let me ask you, if you lived in a world of magic with your current condition, would you ask a cleric/mage/druid to regrow your leg (even if it comes with a cost)?
@@purpleguy319 of course he would.
Also OP, do you have mechanical prosthesis? I heard there are some. Even basic bladerunner prosthetic is great for mobility.
Also I somewhat remember that there are electronic prosthetics that don't need neural connections and rely on gyroscopes and sensors to adjust feet to the surface, bend the knee, etc.
@@purpleguy319 based on that a regenerate spell should cost around 10-22k gp and the average income being about 1.8-2k, we can extrapolate that to afford the treatment we have to pay around 5/13 times the average yearly income lets say 80k$. Makes somewhat between 400k$ and 1.04M$ in additional expenses.
@@calluxdoaron1903Canadian Healthcare was mentioned. That system isn't going to pay for a proper prosthetic... Sadly.
@@hariman7727Yes and that's exactly why I'm grateful we don't have a Canadian health system here in the US. . . if I'd had to wait as long as the vast majority Canadians have to wait for medical treatment, I would've died when I was 18.
How can her legs be so muscular if they are not working?
Who said the legs don’t work, they just prefer to sit
Her legs have muscles that don't even EXIST!
But hey, FUCKING MAGIC THEREFORE WRITING DOESN'T MATTER!
@@RusticRonnie If they prefer to sit, as someone who prefers to sit, your legs will *not* look like that
@@RusticRonnie
Oh so they're not disabled, they're just lazy!
Got it!
+1 to the offensive to the people they claim to defend board.
There are actually people who aren't disabled, but want to be now, or identify/pretend to be now. I am not kidding, there was a woman who rides around in a wheelchair, yet can go ski down slopes. There was also a woman who wanted to be blind and blinded herself.
Being crippled or handicapped is not a trendy "identity," or unique "fun trait," this is very disrespectful to all people who are disabled, or handicapped.
In a fantasy world, people would fix common disabilities.
@@Antiteshmis That depends on what setting we’re talking about, and how well magic and by extension healing magic works.
Make sure to cover all your bases so that all they can do is fail their arms and scream
In some certain disabilities are still hard to fix or even expensive. Dungeons and Dragons, for example, you need access to Regeneration which is a high level spell with a hefty cost... outside what the usual peasant can heal.
_Adventurers_ would fix common disabilities. Because adventurers have _resources._
These bastards are trying to conflate "disabled adventurer" with "disability" so they can wear disabilities as a cosmetic without being shamed. Shame them viciously. Be as spiteful and mean as they are to us about anything. Abuse them like it's your religion.
@@Phantomcrustacean If you have a setting in which the disabled person cannot be healed / there cannot be work around for the wheelchair, there is simply no way said person would physically outcompete non disabled heros.
You go back to modern world limitations.
Dungeons and Dragons has no dismemberment rules, and since a simple cure wounds spell is able to literally close down bleeding organ wounds (since you can use it to heal a character who is on deaths door) there is nothing saying it could not reattach a limb if you can find it.
Regenerate is for when you need to regrow the limb from scratch.
"I cast uneven ground!" wheelchair hero loses. How can you effectively fight, if you can't go up the stairs?
I get it 😅but , it's a redundant spell, probably only inside the castle has flat enough floors, even the best medieval roads inside kingdoms would still be full of poop, pee, grime, and pot holes.
sry
*Laughs in barbarian speed and reckless attack as I proceed to ditch the wheelchair and crawl up the stairs to fight you.* I'm of the mind if you want to play a disabled character you need to consider what they can realistically do without their mobility aid.... DnD has crawling mechanics for a reason. It also has rules for fighting from prone position as well for a reason.... It might not be optimal, but with the right build there really isn't anywhere you can't go even if limited to crawling at half speed only. (That and if you can fight effectively sitting in a wheelchair you c an probably fight effectively seated in a dining chair, or on a barrel, or sitting on an immovable rod..... Just have a wizard make a shied version of the immovable rod and you have a fairly portable seat in a pinch....
SJW's: There are no cripples in fantasy!
Hiccup Haddock III and Wolf: are we painted or what?
Literally the modern design for wheelchairs.
Actually, there’s no handbrakes.
So wheelchair that can’t lock down? Perfect for someone that might need to stay still, while aiming a weapon maybe.
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🐍 no step on snek!🇭🇰🇺🇸
she propels herself with recoil
@@PeterDanielBerg like a lobster?
@@PeterDanielBerg *happy wheels theme starts playing*
Seriously, a wheelchair? A boring ass WHEELCHAIR???
If ANYTHING, she would ride a giant wolf ! A wyvern ! A goddamn mechaspidertron!
Or even better yet, use the same goddamn magic to levitate, and or Fly !
... and we are not even talking about transformations.
Or, y know, healing magic.
Magic suit of armor/prothesis
I like it when systems put restrictions on things. And there's some things healing magic just CAN'T heal. Otherwise you've got a world of literal immortal Gods.
There needs to be SOME restrictions on what magic can and cannot do.
...but in a fantasy setting, there's ALWAYS going to be a better option than merely a freaking wheelchair.
Or a pact with a demon or god that restored their ability but with a catch that could make their character actually interesting.
Magic to levitate? Fun fact, Beholders can't walk.
How about no!
That picture would have to be THE funniest thing I've ever seen. Anyone who stumbled across that in a fantasy setting would pee themselves laughing and rightly so. They didn't even bother to draw the wheelchair like it was made with medieval technology... rofl.
Me as a DM: Your character's in a wheelchair? Enemies have advantage on all attacks against you
Have you ever rode a wheelchair on anything that isnt flat, manufactured and maintained concerete?
That's what I was thinking... How are these heroes supposed to go through the alps of mountains, and the rooted and stumped paths of forests... How do they entire the fire world that will melt parts of their wheelchair? How will the gears turn in the frozen trenches of an ice world? How do they swim if knocked overboard a ships vessel? How do you ever "Silently sneak" past any enemy ever if you have a wheelchair that will mostly likely have more wear and tear than most peoples cars they've owned for 10 years after traveling through such events?
@@jehmmadicine4367 Well the how do they swim if knocked overboard is actually easy.... They ditch the chair and just swim.... How do they sneak around? I think Sam Fisher's apearance in Captain Lazerhawk is a good reference for that... (Again it involves leaving the wheelchair behind and just crawling around.... With classes like rogue, monk, and even barbarian simply crawling shouldn't be that big of a drawback.... Speed boosts for the win...) Heck it's fantasy, no reason why someone couldn't pull a Cotton Hill and walk around on their stumps.
@@minnion2871 You think a person who's wheelchair bound is suddenly going to be able to kick their feet and swim? Did you even think about what you were saying or are you completely ignorant on some of the most basic concepts?
Even if crawling. The speed of you getting from one area to another is now going to take all your energy to reach from point A to point B. And you're not going to be able to muffle the noise of you dragging your lower half behind you. You're not crawling silently like a normal person. Who has control of their bottom half and can make it silent as possible. So not only are they now going to be completely exhausted, using all your upper body strength to do so. But the timing also will be inconvenient. If you're ditching your chair at point A to crawl to point B. Your chair is never going to be back at point B, for you to suddenly not crawl again. So you'd be reduced to crawling for the rest of the entire adventure........
These aren't even real answers. This is the kind of stuff people say for Satire in south park episodes. But I'm pretty sure you're taking yourself seriously which is concerning.
@@jehmmadicine4367 I mean, you don't actually have to kick your legs if your arms are strong enough.
Even magic aims for verisimilitude. Systems exist for magic with rules and regulations and costs and benefits (especially for hard magic, but even for soft magic), and these rules have to be followed or else it'd be "unrealistic." Magic would just be another reality in the fantasy world, like physics. Using magic as an example of "anything is possible, no rules needed" shows there is no understanding on how to write fantasy worlds.
Cope. Every medieval fantasy setting has healing magic or healing potions so effective its magical almost without fail. Only an able bodied person would want to roleplay in a wheelchair. People actually in wheelchairs don't fantasize about still being in them. Its just able bodied people larping as a cripple and pretending its representation.
Cope. Magic is an excuse to break phisics. Wizards use arcane math to break the universe in useful ways. Clerics ask the gods to bend the rules of the universe for them. A broken back is such a small problem to both. A wizard will invent new legs, and a cleric would restore them to perfect order. In a universe where there are mortal beings who can simply formulate a potion to fix greivous wounds or say a prayer and make an offering to restore a life, there is absolutely zero excuse for any kind of disability imposed by injury, and genetic disability is non-existant due to regular clerical healing magic for pregnant women literally anywhere that a cleric is in residence.
Incurable disabilities would be like curses or punishments meted out by the gods as a sign that a person is evil or has broken holy laws/customs like being a cannibal or killing children or something.
even terry pratchets diskworld with its anything goes magic system and bullshit reality warping logic(anything with a million to one odds automatically succeeds) - even that had things that could and could not be done
@metaempiricist don't know if you're misunderstanding my point, but I was just saying that saying magic allows you to do anything is false, so saying that that is equivalent to being in a wheelchair "because anything goes" is false as well. Anything doesn't go when it comes to a fantasy magic system.
Anyways, as you say, because magic exists, it will interact with "reality" in such a way that there's no "need" to have disabled immobile in a wheelchair unless they really want to. (but also, likely these are the same people who don't have any respect for how magic systems work, hence my comment.)
@@terracannon876 Your fault for posting a comment with a wishy-washy position. Don't use corpospeak in a public discussion.
Make your position clear in your comments, that's the magic of truly open discussion.
Remember when disabilities were disabilities and characters had to find ways around it often gaining new abilities in the process? Instead we get THESE bozos who might as well be perfectly abled for intents and purposes.
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Magic makes sense... Disabilities not disabling someone doesn't.
Absolutely!
My favorite example is the Avatar guy, of course he’s going to choose to be a Smurf, he gets to have functional legs again. Would have been way more interesting if he stayed himself and overcame his disability.
I've actually made a disabled character before. In a Star wars universe who used the force to see and their modern technology that allowed him to see around himself in a 360 degree field of view.
I must escape reality by bringing my real world with me. -No One Ever
Each 4 months we get this same stupid argument.
Im tired.
been the case since GG1
Hey, they have to have something to criticize and attack you for no reason. Give them a break. You big ot.
That's how they get you.
They wear you down until you give up.
And then they take the lot
@@M4dM4n96 Exactly. If they don't have any reason to attack you, they will create one.
@@M4dM4n96 each year a new generation of 14 year olds give their opinion on shit. That should be a federal crime
I mean, in a world of magic, wouldn't you just have a wizard magic away the disability?
That depends on the setting, We have to keep in mind if they have healing magic or not and how well it works, and what it heals.
We gotta be thorough because when you’re thorough, you can counter all their questions and watch them spurge out
Even without healing magic, something like enchanted leg armor, or magic pants which could also be used as a plot device later on.
@@Phantomcrustacean okay then enchanted let Armour. It's like ppl are working so hard to find excuses.. INSTEAD OF JUST DOWNRIGHT LESS TIME IMAGING A KEWL MYSTICAL SOLUTION ETC. Like a freaking floating carpet even ffs!
@@glytchd Right, there are plenty of fun options to work around it, it just takes imagination which they thoroughly lack in
Or pray to some divine to cure you of your ailments and disabilities. Also sacrificing people to a Dark God, you get your legs back, and demonic powers. Win Win!
Dungeons need wheelchair accessible ramps i guess.
THE WHOLE POINT OF FANTASY IS THAT IT ISNT REAL LIFE. some people can't seem to separate fact from fantasy.
It's not about being ABLE (pun intended) to accept it... it's about we NOT WANTING it.
If you can accept magic, you can accept a world with no disabilities.
@@plumaDshinigami yes, but also make sure you understand magic settings so that they can’t catch you offguard.
Counter their claims by talking about what setting it is or the magic scaling, what are the limits, drawbacks, Is there even healing magic in the setting at all?
Things like that
@@Phantomcrustacean The issue is that the logic these representation-starved narcissists try to spout falls on its head when you turn it around.
@@Phantomcrustacean Nah, just say "fuck you". There are only two types of settings: settings where you can easily gain access to magic/technology to heal, and settings too dangerous to allow a wheelchair bound person to adventure.
@@Xahnel That works too, either way it ends with them losing their shit then you just sit back and you enjoy the show
@@Phantomcrustacean besides, literally none of these tourists are playing anything but DnD 5e anyways.
I así myself...what is the obsession of progs with Wheelchair Warriors?
Ah, i remember...feeling special just for existing.
They want to wear disabilities as a cosmetic without being shamed for it.
Shame them viciously.
Wheelchairs and vitiligo. Of all the ailments that plague mankind, they fixate on these ones.
at this point it’s a fetish
3 things, 1) if someone wants to they can no one is saying they can't but it also shouldn't be forced, 2) why would someone in with a disability not want to play someone without, games are escapism not real life 3) in a world with magic that can resurect the dead and regenerate limbs why would anyone be disabled when magic can fix it?
Yeah, a ranger in wheelchair. Animals will hear him/her from miles away while he/she struggling to get the share over tree roots or stums in the forest or falling repeatedly out of the char every time it is about to examinate a track. Sounds like a blast. Imagen the struggle to get up on slopes or have to climb over rocks. A blast indeed. Sure they may perhaps the new spell “summon accessibility ramp”
how tf is her legs shredded if she's on a damn wheelchair.
When I was on a wheelchair, my legs were pencils.
Maybe she doesn't actually need it and was just taking a load off in the dungeon she's in when the party got jumped by some mooks that aren't worth standing up for? (As for why there was a wheelchair in the dungeon in the first place? Well adventuring is dangerous business and if there are wheelchair warriors rolling around it stands to reason that it wouldn't be unheard of to find abandoned wheelchairs or wheelchair parts to be just laying around a dungeon....
Imagine the face of a woke GM if an able bodied player asked to play a character in a magical wheelchair.
Like it’s ROLEPLAYING not Mary-sueing, it’s not as if you’re supposed to just play yourself.
As a GM I would make that guy's life miserable. Magic can tno effect the wheelchair in anyway if magic can't heal your legs. Mocked and bullied by the kids in town. Constantly berated by his fellow party memebers. Left behind in dungeons cause can't get the wheelchair through doors or over breaks in the floor. Can't outrun a pack of wolves that knock him over and eat his legs first. Just make his fantasy character's life a living hell.
@@sparhawk2195 Now hear me out.... What if I wanted to play an able bodied character who uses a non magical wheelchair? (They're the party rogue and a con artist, who while in town cons people into giving them money so they can get their legs healed.... (They wear a bag of holding under their pants to really sell the con of being disabled...)
Why is that wheelchair looking like they just stole it from a hospital here?
Because whoever drew that has literally no understanding of the terms
Fantasy
Realism
Magic
Medieval
Or Intelligence.
@@haku8135 That wasn't drawn thats straight-up AI generated in case the additional bowstrings that vanish into nothingness around her arm didn't instantly give it away for you ...
Fact check: false
All the ones at hospitals look more worn than this one which has presumably been through all the rigamarole of adventuring, including acid and fireballs.
Ah yes, stainless steel. The most important feature of a mediecal fantasy world.
Ummm ackshyaully ☝️🤓 it's Mithryl alloy *snort*
Good point about the Rorschach test. A lot of people wrongly believe that they can infer all your values (and probably hate you) based on learning your ideas about one topic.
How could someone in a wheelchair have such muscular legs?
She can't read, and keep buying strength potions instead of healing potions.
@@libertyprime1614 well that sure explains why she is a Ranger and not a mage.
They were recently put in there.
That or they are pulling a deception and not disabled.
It is a [Wheelchair of Mighy Illusions]!
*magic*, bro
@libertyprime1614 Ashame that 5e ensures everyone is literate in at least two languages. It’d be hilarious to play a character that keeps trying to fix a long term injury but is too stupid and illiterate to find the correct cure.
The problem isn't even disabled charracters the problem is the wheelchair and lack of creativity you can have charracters that are blind deaf or can't walk but have powerfull magic or attributes they use to counterbalance the disability but here nope wheelchair
Exactly also you could even have Something like this in a story IF its done right. For instance overwatch is over the top it has talking Gorilla a grim dark gunslinger and more if you had a wheelchair bound person in that setting no one would mind because it fits that universe. But if you expect me to accept people with dissabilitys in a tactic special ops team like in Rainbow six siege a game that is aiming for realism than you just dont get it
Renegade from Ys 9 is a good example of a wheelchair bound protagonist. He's the sixth character to join the party. All characters in Ys 9 have a normal human form and a "Monstrum" form. For the rest of the party, they can take on their normal human form until they need to use their monstrum powers, and they do run around town pretty freely until they use their powers.
For Renegade, he is wheelchair bound normally. (Its a wooden wheelchair as well, not some "modern" looking wheelchair.) He CAN, however, walk while in his Monstrum form. As such, when he's playable he just always stays in his Monstrum form.
the problem is said magic makes the need for wheelchairs completely obsolete
Isn’t it nice that their fantasy world has the industrial capacity to produce a modern wheelchair?
It’s not the disability itself that’s the problem, it’s the presentation. Daredevil is one of the best superheroes ever written, and I have never had a problem with Oracle or Freddie Gomez. The problem is that modern writers don’t know how to present a disabled character in such a way that they’re still cool.
Artificers, Automaton, Rideable Companions, even magic means of levitation. they had little creativity.
if the best you can come up with in a fantasy world full of magic and golems is a wheelchair then your entire argument is invalid.
also, just get healed. for someone to have a body like that they likely have enough money to afford a healing potion, cleric, or w/e is needed to solve the problem and even if no mortal can deal with it then you can ask one of the gods to do it with a shockingly high chance of them doing it.
If i had a player insisting on a disabled character in the campaign, I'd allow it... and all the positive and negative impacts that come with it. I mean, sure, it's worth at least a conversation. However, I am in NO way going to honey my campaign and the player should be prepared to reroll a new character sooner than later.
If I had a player insisting on playing a disabled character I would tell him to put INT and WIS at 3, like in the good old days.
If I had an able bodied player insisting on a wheelchair bound character, the campaign would feature an inordinate amount of stairs, ladders, and charitable Cleric NPCs willing to heal serious conditions for free.
@OniGanon most handicapped people aren't going to live long out in the wilds. Darwin had a theory about it. Do you want your wheelchair bound elf archer? Good friggin luck vs. the hill giants throwing rocks and your lack of dodge!
@@williamdistefano5698 We have skeletons of disabled people from before civilization. The first Neanderthal found was twisted from severe arthritis and was pretty old. It's why for awhile they thought that's what they looked like. Which means depending on the disability, they lived fairly normal lifespans.
Edit: An injury that created an open wound was much more deadly than say arthritis, uneven limbs, or other such things. Obviously they wouldn't have a mate because no woman would want children like that.,
@debanydoombringer1385 i imagine these people were living in towns and cities rather than being chased across the swamps by trolls...
I want to play a cleric that has had a crisis of faith and no longer believes in his deity, so he can't cast any spells. Also, he was in a terrible river boat accident and lost both of his arms, so he can't use weapons or fight in any way. And he has a club foot, so the best he can do is hobble. Also, he has chronic halitosis and suffers severe fits of narcolepsy when under stress. Plus he's diabetic, has asthma and is allergic to tree nuts.
The fact it took me til the club foot to realize this was a shitpost means ive been giving too much faith in some people.
I was thinking "oh, so he was gonna get new arms right?" man...
The most annoying thing was wheelchairs in a space sci Fi game. X4 foundations. Come on! You have space ships, teleports and sentiment AI... And still don't cure spine or leg damage? Who would choose to use wheelchairs if they had the choice? Show the future worth dreaming of. Some folks lose limbs, but it's sci Fi, give them cool augmentation or new limbs.
How are the her muscular and she's in a wheel chair? Meaning she can't use her leg muscles.
She just sat on the wheelchair to piss people off
that image is most likely AI generated, bow has string leading to nowhere and chair has impossible geometry
My problem is just that they always have modern looking wheelchairs in these pictures. They don't fit. Might as well have a hovering rocket power wheelchair because why not
Or a magic carpet, or levitation magic or
Anything that is creative, that actually takes the internal logic of that world into Account
Would actually make more sense imo
Roleplay vs self insert...the point of roleplay is to play a role, not yourself. But as usual with the narcissistic left EVERYTHING is about them.
You know how freaking hard moving a wheel chair on a dirt road is? Hell, even a cobble stone road would be terrible to ride on. Not to mention going through a field, forest, swamp, desert, up a mountain, down a ravine, let alone through a cave system. 😂😂😂😂 These people really have no clue about things, which is why so many, if not all, of their solutions fail. 😂😂😂
Ma'am fixing disability is like a 2nd level spell
Them: We're doing this for activist reasons in the real world
Also them: Omg, you'll accept magic but not this?!
We need a term for this kind of reverse meta gaming
@@michaelsorensen7567 stupidity
You pretty much single handedly called out their entire agenda in as little as two sentences. I'm impressed.
This is the most succinct way I've ever seen of putting it...
@@michaelsorensen7567 It's already called Composition Division logic
Well better hope the 50 level dungeon has wheelchair ramps, or the disabled person is stuck at the entrance. Or is the mage supposed to sacrifice one of their spell slots to levitate the wheelchair down every flight of stairs?
That's how inclusivity works.
Tbh , sacrifices are often needed to ensure our own survival . Even when the Wheelchair-PC must fight alone against 7 Wolves and few ogres .
The Deadweights arent needed for an adventure .
Strength check from the fighter for ever staircase, make it a recurring bit