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In canon, the Emperor defeated Horus at great cost, giving the Imperium a chance - but What if Horus was the victor? How would things change
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Idk what is worse, a galaxy dominated by Chaos or the fact that big bald dudes would be the supreme leaders...
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the big bald dudes for sure
Argel Tal mini when ?
Majorkill, what do you think of mohawks? Most of the head is bald but the hair they do have is boss af. Also I think Constantine Valdor had a mohawk.
Bullshit!
Chaos fought the Eldar-Necron Alliance early in the War in Heaven!!!
(Ynnari Wildheart)
Chaos Gods teleport their champions out of Terra or tell them to destroy the Talisman!
Daemons overwhelm Terra THEN attack Guilliman's fleet! Daemons are stronger since Dorn and the Emperor are dead!
Daemons>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beast Orks!!!!!!
You’re forgetting that Alpharius (loyalist) had likely already killed omegon before the invasion of Terra. He had the largest legion and access to raptor geneseed technology while also possessing the most survivable geneseed. He and roboute would likely become the emperor and malcador of a third imperium.
The most grimdark thing about 40k is that the traitors are fighting for a goal that their masters will never allow them to reach. If they win, they lose. In the end, they’re fighting for nothing. That means all the grim darkness in the entire setting, all that war, all that bloodshed, is ultimately caused by the misguided who are all invariably fighting for a lie. It’s all for nothing.
I mean...the nightlords and iron warriors are just fighting for revenge against an imperium that treated them horribly.
@@sundowner5357 You'd think that after 10 thousands years they would let it go
The traitors fight for the ultimate prize of becoming a daemon prince of Chaos. There is the revenge thing against the Imperium still going on for some, but overall they all want to become a daemon prince, become super powerful and get to chill in their own little corner of the warp. After all, you die fighting for Chaos, you're f***ed. And the Imperium managed to outlast them for 10.000 years. So not much to be had for the dying for Chaos and revenge part.
@@zaer-ezart Hard to let go when you are borderline immortal.
@@zaer-ezart the warp timeline as you know works differently so 10k for its like idk a 1 year depends on what part of the warp are you ìn
Last time I was this early, the emperor was still walking around.
Last time someone said "first", The Emperor led a crusade.
Broooooo🤣🤣🤣
Same brother
Lmao, that was a good one. Now Inquisitor, here is your new servator...
Well technically the emperior is walking around .he's just not the emperior of man just some dude on a beach maybe.
"You've done it Horus Heresy, you truly are THE warhammer 40,000"
The heresy was all Horus. Now, where are my 40,000 warhammers?
-The Emperor, probably
@@miks301They're hidden within Jame's Workshop
He didn't say that
Getting a video about the reactions of the pre heresy primarchs to being in Guillimans situation and having power over the whole imperium would be pretty cool
keep on grinding king, emperor be with you
Keep going my man
Stay strong battle brother, continue doing the emperor's work
keep going man
Yeah man we would like to see this vidéo
What about the Ork empire? during the war of the beast they became a suprisingly organised and advanced force. Without the imperium to stop them they would probably dominate.
Not really. Without a strong enemy to fight against they will go into permanent infighting and devolve. Remember that the main reason the Krork devolved into Orks is because they didn't have an enemy as strong as the Necrons during the War in Heaven.
The only reason The Beast rose up was because the Great Crusade kicked so much ass Gork&Mork decided The Imperium was in need of a good scrap.
Three Way Fight between the Orks, Tyranids and Necrons then.
@@pillarmenn1936 Scrap in 'evn 2: orkish boogaloo
@@ismaelsantos5378 i severely want an explanation of the war in heaven in orkish right now.
"so theez ole gits dey call da 'old ones' didn't give these otha gits the "necron-tier" some sunscreen tech, don't know wat tier of what they iz in but the sun on theyz home rock was bad. anyways sometin with the catan happened and theez necron-tier decided to git revenge on the ole onez, and made themselfs a mindless iron fightrs with da catan and decided to krump da whole galaxy for energy and funz me thinks. anyways the ole onez and the eldarish (this waz before theyz fucked themself da chaos god 'slaanesh') teamed up theys weird boys and fightin' boys to fight.
da ole onez used also dey tech boys to make us orcs to fight the necrons, but we waz MUCH better at krumping back then. da war in 'evn was such a proper fight orcs had the krumping power of gods with sheer WAAUUUGHH!!! power. fun good proper times for us orcs.
Orks without proper enemies tend to devolve.
Lorgar looks over the corpse of the Emperor and whispers...."Who's thinking outside the box now....B*tch".
I kind of like the idea of G man picking up the pieces of humanity and rebuilding another human empire. I feel like based on his personality and skills, he could probably build a much stronger and stable empire (in the long run) that isn't riddled with disgruntled worlds, pissed off about being bullied into joining the imperium, and ready and waiting to turn traitor or turn to chaos.
Honestly
The Imperium would be better off with this scenario
The Pharos device still worked (Majorkill is great, but doesnt know thr lore well)
So Macragge would have been the new Terra
With Guilliman leading thr Imperium from the 500 worlds as his bastion
Chaos would be much depleted and this would probably have created a new golden age for humanity and Fulgrim never put Guilliman into a coma
@@adrienwatson2179 yeah, big eEs plan was for the imperium to only exist temporarely iirc so he didnt bother/care to build it in a nice or humane way.
Gulliman with imperium secundus would have to do that
And 10,000 years is a ridiculously long time for a human perspective. It took that amount of time for humanity to evolve from an early-interstellar civilization to the most technologically advanced and powerful society to ever grace the galaxy .I see no reason why guilliman's empire that is way more advanced than the initial human interstellar civilizations and which is also built upon the principles of gulliman wouldn't have been able to reach the same heights as humans were originally able to do so .In many ways ,it would have been better for humanity overall in this A.U as they would have been far far more prosperous and stable than in the present imperium .The only reason why humanity is so fucked in 40k is because of the imperium's backwards and regressive nature first and foremost. Had they been anything innovative, creative progressive or logical , every single enemy that humanity faces in the present would have been fucked up eons ago .War is the mother of all innovation but instead it does the opposite for the imperium due to its ridiculously erroneous and unique nature
We all know that Chaos would never truly win because then Horus would reveal himself as Alpharius Omegon and win the day as the Alpha legion, because y'know, he is Alpharius.
the real victories are the alpharius friends we made along the way
Alpharius became a mass murderer for our sake
But that doesn’t make sense, because the Emperor, Sanguinius, and Guilliman are also Alpharius.
I am Alpharius
@@monkeykingyo6359 Yo mama is Alpharius
4:31 Big E: "I OWN YOU! I OWN YOUR PLANET! I OWN THIS PLANET! In fact *...F*CK THIS PLANET!"*
Tzeentch: “Alright we won… now what?”
Khorne: “…”
Nurgle: “No… Khorne please… we’ve just won please, my sons need to recover”
Khorne: “…”
Slaneesh: “Uhhh… is he alright?”
Khorne: *inhales*
Tzeentch: “That can’t be good…”
Khorne: *LEEERRRROOOOYYYY JEEEEENKIINS!!!* _starts chaos civil war_
I mean, chaos is always in a civil war
I picture Khrone just screeching before punching Tzeentch in a l l of his eyes, Nurgle in his belly and Slaneesh in a l l of their weak spots and giving her the mother of all titty twisters.
Gork and Mork show up : Oi Ya Gits, Fight Us
Hahahahahahahahaaaa! Favorite comment for 40k (in this context) ever.
@@monkeykingyo6359 it might actually go a little more like this-
Gork, or Mork, and Mork, possibly Gork, suddenly burst through the walls of the great meeting hall of the Gods. Mork grabs Gork by his arm and flings him overhead into Khorne, who smacks the greenskin away, but not before he lands a vicious punch to the side of the blood gods head at the very same moment. As Gork hurtles away, Khorne falls unconscious. The Greenskins then tie up with one another at the center of the table, disappearing into a whirling green cloud of punches, kicks, crotch shots, and headbutts. ,
Khorne wakes up, screams “YOU!!!,” before he too leaps in and starts walloping in every direction.
Nurgle is crying and fanning himself as Isha - firmly secured by an ornate silver leash - rests a hand on the Grandfathers shoulder to calm him. The Cloud of violence ejects Khorne, and Slaanesh can be heard laughing like a hyena whilst she/he/it does various lewd things to her/his/it self.
A cardboard cutout of Tzeentch falls over, revealing that he had already left(JUST AS PLAAAAANED)
I find it funny that in two of those outcomes the Tau would play a potentially much bigger role in the galaxy, as the tau have non-warp FTL and advanced technology, so I could see upon their discovery both the traitors and the loyalists wanting to make an alliance with them, or maybe the traitors wanting to destroy them because the traitors already have an advantage at that point of being able to travel through the warp with out the need of the astronomicon.
The Tau do use the Warp for FTL travel.
They just don't go INTO the warp, they merely bounce off it, like a skipping stone. It is much slower and less accurate than imperial warp travel, but its also more safe (ie: no demonic incursions or need of gellar fields).
@@ismaelsantos5378it being slower doesn’t really mean much when demons can’t affect them, and the only other comparable empire of mankind is gone. The only real issues I see for the Tau would be the necrons
@@ismaelsantos5378 Orks have it all sorted out as Daemonic incursions during their journey is complementary mid flight entertainment.
Sounds like the defeat of the Heresy was Tzeentch's plan all along. Keep the game going. Also sounds like Khorne's plan. Lots and lots of bloodshed and it keeps going. Also sounds like Nurgle's plan. Have everything slowly decay. Not sure what Slaneesh gets out of it except destruction of the Human web way but then again that is back to Tzeentch's plan of keep the game going.
To me the whole "Tzeentche massive D&D campaign game" seems flawed on all sides
If chaos Wons then is civil war until humans are gone =Bad ending
Tyranids won= bad ending
Necrons won= bad ending
Orks won = bad ending
The game in all sides is supposed to end in bad ending yet people always say snail man has it all figure it out
"Not sure what Slaneesh gets out of it"
Lots and lots of humans = lots and lots of desire.
Slaanesh was the one who gained the most from humanity persisting and spreading.
@@The_Keeper I also feel like both sides get more sadistic as time goes on which is right up their alley
@@The_Keeper Yeah I was gonna say, Slaanesh gets continued pain, torture, excess, desire and all that good stuff among the humans.
My understanding of the Talisman the Emperor had Vulkan build was that it was a weapon of absolute last resort, like the terminus decree but as a deadman switch rather than a set of instructions.
That would mean it was either designed to make the heresy a no win situation-where the emperor dies and stays dead, but does so much damage to chaos that they’ll never be able to challenge the galaxy in force ever again.
Or, more likely, it was a reset button. I imagine it’s not just going to destroy terra and the Sol system, I imagine it’s going to create a loyalist eye of terror.
Imagine a warp rift and the surrounding warp space that the emperor claims as his territory, creating an inverse to the og eye of terror where the chaos legions chill.
This would allow the now spectral god like emperor, now released from the golden throne and whole once again, to have a pocket realm to store the majority of humanity in. Time and space mean fuck all to the warp, so there’s really no limit to how many people the emperor can get in there, especially if he’s able to protect them from the warps passive soul fucky energy, and the advances of chaos.
The material galaxy would essentially become a chessboard at that point, with few humans living in it.
That’s best case scenario, IMO at least
Nice theory, I'd imagine some humans still live outside and maybe they travel through this new Emperor's warp as a safe means of travel?
@@SilentHotdog28 or maybe turning loyalist human souls into counter demons to escort loyalist ships through hostile warp space. That would go hard asf
@@ianharrison5758imagine the giant soul of vulkan beating the sht out of demons with a hammer lmao
What if the chaos powers didn't want Horus to win but instead create a stalemate of never-ending warfare to feed them?
It has been theorized that the Imperial Aquila is actually a sigil of Tzeentch.
Just as planned...
Would make sense.
Tell Horus that the civil war will have a good outcome for him, only for it to end in a way that only benefits Chaos.
Consider tho that the destruction of Mars means that Belisarius Cawl is free to develop whatever crazy tech he wants with minimal, if any, interference from the Adeptus Mechanicus
And you can bet your ass he either has copies of most STCs, or could just ask Trazyn to help him find a bunch. With an agreement that Trazyn keeps the 'originals', while Cawl gets copies.
*"I honestly didn't think we'd get this far...What do we do now?"* - Literally all Four Chaos Gods if The Traitor's won the Heresy.
Tzeeench: well i'am boring guys so i will give Tau Empire a knowledge, happy fighting 🙏
Winning is the goal of the Traitors, not the gods. The gods would focus on what they do, khorne wants bloodshed, nurgle wants more disease, slenesh sex drugs rock and roll chip dip chains whips, titssnitch wants to fuxk with everything
It is likely that from the view of the Chaos Gods, especially Tzeentch, the way the Horus Heresy went down was almost the best way it could have happened. A Galaxy kept in a perpetual state of whide warfare, both humans against themselves and outsiders is how they can thrive continuesly. They may have still been upset about Horus being Ctrl+alt+delete by big E. As he made a very usefull tool for the faction.
Though this scenario becomes less firm if taken into context that its "only" one Galaxy they seemingly are interacting with. Obvious solution is that most if not all life outside is now dead or part of the Tyranid swarm.
Alternatively, if not consumed, the lifeforms in the other galaxies are less reliant / less interactive with the warp in general.
The imperium is in constant war with other xenos and it's ownself through civil war.
The vast majority of the population languish in stagnation, unable to move up in rank or staiton.
Noble families scheme and plot in the shadows for control in complex cold wars.
Some families grow decadent with their wealth and become blobs of flesh only dedicated to their own pleasure and safety.
Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeench, slaanesh
@@blueberry1vom1t the continous state of the Imperium really is the feeding ground for the Dark Gods.
No wonder the cabal tried to stop it from happening.
Chaos actually prefers turning the whole galaxy into the eye of terror, this would be the best scenario for them
While they enjoying fighting the imperium, what they would love most would be to sink their fangs into it and feast on its corpse
See the problem with chaos is that it will always defeat itself, even when it's about to win it'll sabotage itself, you need an outside force to push them over to win.
Would the Tyranids still arrive? They were attracted by the Astronomicon so maybe if it went away the Nids might not make it.
Likely that because of the pharos device being overloaded before this they'd still turn up
They were attracted by the detonation of the Pharos device. The Astronomicon going kaput would just be a second flare for them to detect, but they were already on their way.
However, they would probably get smacked by the Necrons. It would be a pyrric victory for the metal skeletons though.
@@ismaelsantos5378 Ironically the Necrons would probobly fall back into infighting, with half of them becoming effectively the defenders of the galaxy's remaining organic life as Tyranids play a cat and mouse game trying to avoid necrons while slipping past them to nom organic life.
Some necrons wish to become organic again, some don't. In the end, it'll become a nightmare of necron dynasties waging civil war while the necrons act like fucking rats eating all the biomass half of them desperately need.
Honestly though, I think the tyranids might win just due to the Silent King and the Storm Lord both collecting up half of the dyansties each and waging a civil war on par with the war in heaven.
@@blueberry1vom1t Just as Chaos, Tyranids is one of the races which can't "win" because they can't keep control over anything. A Tyranid fleet has to keep moving, or it starves (and has been defeated in lore by cleansing all the planets around it of all life), so if Tyranids are overwhelmingly successful and eat all the biomass in the galaxy, leaving only barren worlds, then Tyranids either leave and die - and at least a few of these dead worlds will be tomb worlds.
@ Guess what? That's been retconned! Hive Fleet Tiamat has claimed a few worlds and is even building structures and leaving the life on the planet alive.
If chaos did get to ruling that would probably cause malal to have a cataclysmic awakening because of how much infighting would happen
I want majorkill to cover this theory, they don't even have to win the heresy to have this go down
I don't think that would happen. The chaos split into four different chaos gods is not because these gods were created by emotions. They were created because for chaos it is profitable. Chaos undivided sees eldari having huge parties and says 'Yeah, this can attract new worshippers'. So this brings us to the question of Malal. Why is he not canon? Because if chaos undivided created Malal, nobody would worship this god. Khorne gives you strength, Tzeentch power, Slaanesh sensations, Nurgle acceptance and peace. What does Malal bring to the table? Endless fighting? Khorne has it too. Risking your life every day? All chaos gods have it too. Malal can't attract new followers.
@@lukasbachan4285 Malal got the 5 degree axe cuz he would be too powerful, anytime you do anything that isnt blind loyalty and following orders to the T, you empower Malal considering how bullshit the others are with their claims.
If Khrone get empowered by fighting and Malal is the god of self hatred and infighting, he will just Slaneesh and take away a n y one who ever had a slight disagreement with their choas dogs.
@@Subject_Keter You still believe that chaos gods are empowered by emotions. Completely false. They are empowered by consumed souls of their worshippers. Chaos only uses emotions to define the chaos gods, nothing more.
@@lukasbachan4285 they are empowered by the actual worship of them as they are the result of galaxy wide emotions and while im sure consuming the souls of their worshippers does make them stronger your point ignores that slaanesh was created and empowered by emotion not worship originally
So according to the prophecy Chaos would have made an enormous _own goal._
Well, thats chaos for you.
The Destruction of Terra makes the Fall of Cadia sound like a sideshow, something I didnt know was possible till this scenario.
This one was a lot cooler than I thought it was gonna be. The "only bits of humanity left with Guilliman as their head" is a really engaging idea.
I reflexively want to argue against the Eldar repeating the aftermath of the War in Heaven. But given the fact that, with Slaanesh gone they could get their Ultratech back, thus possibly *defeat* the Necrons before they fully wake back up, and steamroll most everything else, alongside how long they live...
It's not *quite* the same cycle. The only Chaos God that would likely end up *properly* returning is *Slaanesh* .
*when the Traitors are about to win*
Big E: "RAGE QUIT MODE! SEE YOU ALL INTO SUPER HELL!"
Holy Terra: *explodes with everyone in it and nearby*
*lets not see you all in super hell
So the imperium secundus will have to commence.
The emperor's death would likely fucck the galaxy remember the cacodominus' psychic death scream resonated through the whole galaxy a psyker like big e would make some noise in his death.
I’ve always thought that a fall of Terra might actually make a stronger Imperium. Guilliman would return to ultramar and begin securing it as the new heart of the Imperium. With help from the Eldar, the Tau (eventually), and perhaps even the Leagues of Votann Ultramar could become pretty solid. It would then be the combined Xenos and humanity vs Tyranid and Necron… unsure how that’d go… but would be a hella interesting version of 40k
That would be cringe, the tau are too subversive and the eldar won't go quietly into the night as a junior partner of the imperium
The eldar will fight because their pride and heritage compels them to, the tau must fight because no one takes them or their self serving nonsense seriously, they are too subversive to be allied with, and just ugly enough to purge without hesitation
The imperium just hates everybody, hates tau for being gay, hates eldar for being too fancy etc
Necrons, tyranids and orks can't be reasoned with, same with chaos
The last thing we need to turn 49k into is some sort of cringey power rangers /avengers marvel kinda affair
Turned Horus loyalist in Chat AI today, truly the blessed timeline
What did it take to cause such a profound change?
Okay but some of these minis you've made are actually pretty damn cool. Especially the Ra the Golden son. That mini is just dripping with badass
Part two of Erda.
I’m never stopping.
I just love these "what if" videos, keep up the good work!
what if the new men?
I could actually see G-man making alliances with other Xeno races like the Tau. In a way the imperium would become far more like the Tau in its additive towards Xeno races seeing them as potential allies rather than enemies.
I guess the biggest challenges are:
1, Terra became another eye or Terror, and Mars would be lost...both Political and Industrial centers are gone...
2, Navigation and communication center for humanity that survive...
I'm eternally grateful for this and every other video you created, but for the love of God Emperor I crave more Gaunts Ghosts content since it includes some of the most hilarious characters in all of 40k with Mad Larkin and Try Again' Bragg. The novels even include the seggs, some Traitor perspectives, are located near the Halo Stars and should even be FREE on Spotify in some countries.
5:26 Fulgrim is now Majorkill's favorite punching bag.
He found something to like about angron, so the next ones on the chopping block
@@dodojesus4529 Yup. Angron is a tragic character. Fulgrim is just a dipshit.
But hey its just a theory... A HERETICAL THEORY
I see what you did there 😂
I feel like mars would be really important in this besides Ryza becoming the centre of the mechanicus (if it can recover in time). You gotta remember the void dragon is still on mars and that if you were to destroy a c’tan you’d erase a law of reality. If the void dragon is destroyed by the talisman then there could be unforeseen ramifications.
If not a huge shard iss single and ready to mingle, thats a scenario itself
Quick note: Vulkan is still somewhere in the Webway after defeating Magnus in Echoes of Eternity, and apparently isn't returning to Terra currently. If the Talisman is simply rigged throughout the Infinite City, which is no longer connected to Terra, is yet to be seen. Vulkan would PROBABLY survive the Talisman going off if he can get out of the Webway, at a safe location in time.
Got to the video straight away for once love your work you got me into Warhammer keep it up
Solid video and topic. I really enjoy the more obscure lore topics. My only wish is that I had more friends to talk 40k with
Not that I am up on 40K lore or anything...
BUT
Wasn't it stated that Horus winning would have actually lead to the defeat of Chaos eventually? Him loosing actually is what is the cause for the slow decay of the universe?
I agree. I feel like the Chaos forces would eventually tear themselves apart
A video about how you would continue and end the rest of the ynnari books would be nice
i think after the imperiums destroyed after the heresy the night lords alpha legion and iron warriors and maybe fabius bile would come together and make humanitys last stand against chaos
Well than Sly Marbo and Cato Sicarius would have to win the Imperium back singlehandedly, duuh
You should make a sharrowkyn video, man is an absolute unit
In the Gaunt’s Ghosts series Chaos seems far more competent managing resources from multiple worlds through the Archons leadership. Perhaps that scenario would unfold?
There's also the Khornate Blood Pact which do have a fully functioning civilization and proper army, if only because they figured that "Khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows, only that it does" doesn't necesarily mean "charge screaming with an axe towards machinegun fire". So they are well organized and diciplined, which allows them to shed way more blood in Khorne's name than the regular deranged cultists do.
A Chaos victory would likely be a galaxy torn apart by war, with the Chaos Gods merely extending The Great Game to the physical realm rather than obliterating everything. And as we know, they do join forces as Chaos Undivided when something threatens the great game, so massve Ork Waaghs, the Tyranids and the Necrons would force them to keep humanity alive, if only for sustenance and defense against these forces.
@@ismaelsantos5378 right. I think the key here is that, ultimately, you could have a functioning mortal society that worships Chaos gods, but you couldn't have a functioning Astartes society that worships Chaos gods. The Sanguine worlds (I think that's what they were called) were no worse than imperial worlds (which still means they sucked pretty hard) in part because the mortal followers just flat out couldn't reach the levels of insane devotion they could if they were all Space Marines. Their mortal limitations sort of keep them at arms length from the chaos gods, whereas an Astartes can go full Erebus and end up wielding all kinds of power which makes you kind of forget about mortal concerns like "paperwork."
@@Nukefandango I favor the interpretation that Astartes, far from being inhuman, are actually an extreme version of humanity, all the good and all the bad. So when they go bad, they go beyond what any regular human could ever do.
4:26
A wild Watamelon appears!
Just saying I'm 16 books deep in the heresy series. And I fucking hate reading. But God Damn the books a good. Thanks for getting me into it.
Another age of strife and emperor reincarnates just to keep the crap out of him
The T'au would probably become another dominat faction. Although they primarily be facing the Alderai and the Orks. Although it is likely that the Aldarai and the T'au form an alliance of sorts. It possible that the T'au will ally with the fractured Imperial home worlds and would likely discover some sort of FTL method outside the Warp in the warhammer 40k universe. Though logically the T'au Empire would still be very small in comparison to the Orks ans Aldeari.
11:20 Who ever painted this, my hat is off for you sir or lady, you got some incredible skills!
Missed ur videos breh. I joined the army so I just got outta basic training. Nice to see you doing well
Majorkill, don't think I didn't notice that Watamelon snuck in. I see you.
Ah yes, the famous participants of the showdown on the Vengeful Spirit: Horus, Sanguinius, the Emperor, and a Watamelon.
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Subject idea : Comparaison between Abadon and Archaon.
He really thought this through. After reading that Vulkan book, I only heard a few people consider the Emperor's deadman switch in their what if stories. MK is the most prominent one to emphasize it's importance.
Chaos will then burn itself out as it slaughters one another. The Imperius Secundus retreats to lick its wounds and rebuilds.
I am absolutely dying over here, you didn't once mention the Tau, not even as a passing footnote lmao
Day forty of asking majorkill to compare Abaddon and Archaeon
Just did a quick search, have you done an opinion ep on Necron V Tyranids? Who do you think is gonna win?? Do a team up with Leutin and Weshammer for a grand debate on how this may begin to play out
This is actually not a bad idea.
That would be fun to watch
The necrons likely win as they’re basically a hard counter to the necrons. The necrons biggest advantages are adaptation and their ability to use biomass of dead enemies and other Nids alike to reform new units, meaning even killing them isn’t enough to kill them. Necrons, however, do not have biomass to take and their weapons destroy matter on an atomic level, meaning they can’t recover any soldiers. Without those advantages the nids are just glorified bugs. In fact there’s even a theory that, if they ever end WH40K, it’ll end with the necrons unifying and leaving the galaxy to fight the tyranids in intergalactic space
I love how the lasgun in the background is turning progressively limp over time.
It would be like End Times Warhammer Fantasy In Space
i absolutley love how in just about every varient future of 40k there is one constant
the necrons do not give a single fuck about what everyone else is doing
Mr Majorkill.
Maybe you could make a video about the technologies from the Dark Age of Technology that are still used in the Imperium.
Something like "This technology used to be standard but today it is seen as a sacred relic of the Mechanicus"
Terminator Armor was work equipment used to fix warp and plasma reactors without powering them off.
To make a long answer short, humanity would fall to ruin and chaos would louse it's primary food source and fall too. Chaos can never let itself truly win nor can it let itself be defeated. Chaos must fly like Icarus in order to survive. My theory is that the chaos gods know of their predicament, and intentionally back ineffective leaders like Abaddon who can't win but will maintain the status quo.
5:18 At this point Guilliman thinks "Just as planned" Time for Empirius Thirdius!!
Yeah I get the feeling Tzeentch skewed events so the 40k we know would happen just so he'd get to continue the great game
Chaos trying to work out how to use computer sounds hilarious
Question, can you do “What if the Emperor survives the Heresy”? Let’s say the Emperor didn’t hold back and immediately smites Horus. Would he possibly be able to return to the Gold Throne in time to save Malcador or would it be too late regardless? More long term, how would the next 10,000 play out differently? The the Emperor still around the Jaghatai and Russ probably wouldn’t disappear as their father tells them to stay. It is still likely however the Primarchs would slowly be picked off and eventually no more as in the real timeline. There would be no ecchliasarchy as well. Still, I would like to hear your take on the subject.
awesome vid majorkill
Still waiting for majorkills iteration of mechs
Can you do a video on what the 2nd and 11th legion could have done and what they could have looked like
Wonder what the setting would look like if one of the Chaos Gods were to be defined more by their positive aspects than their negatives.
What does that do to Warhammer 's past? Or it's present, depending on when the change happens.
While ago, I was wondering, why I started to watch your videos, even tho I know your channel for quite some time. Then I tried some older vid and... yeah... I know now.
You grew a lot (and I do not mean only in muscles) good sir. Good job.
Majorkill - 1st you're my favourite lore artist...I'm straight, honest..
2nd...could the imperium mass produce thunder warriors to chuck at chaos whilst the golden bois and astartes grab a breath?
Do a video on when chaos was the good guys and helped
he did
So i had it explained to me that the grim dark nature of the emp being alive was the thing keeping things bleak. Sure it would be terrible for a long time but it would eventually get better.
I love the watamelon behind the emperor at 4:20 : )
I like how the chaos god take up vast regions of a possibly infinite void yet they can’t even take over one galaxy.
Did I miss something or did Magnus just get glazed over and not mentioned? You know the 2nd or 3rd most powerful Imperial Pysker? The guy who has a motivation to come back into the Imperial fold. A psyker that could pretty much be used as a wishing well and pull any manner of mcguffin out of his ass to save the day.
If the blast kills Mortarion and Fulgrim it would kill Magnus too.
The Golden throne turned him into a Skelton in a couple minutes. He’s the second most powerful after the big E but he’s so far behind tbat Big E is basically numbers 1-10
@@damonedrington3453he’s talking about Magnus the Primarch, not Malcador the Sigilite
Tyranids be like:
"It`s free real-estate."
As a chaos enjoyer this is a symphony to my ears however sad that either Horus dies or carves up the galaxy in chaos kingdoms (still based)
For another hypothetical could you explore if the Toa allied with humanity?
Last time I was this early the Warp was a nice place to walk around.
It's becoming a recurring trend in most of these What Ifs that the Imperium falling leads to a lot of interesting storytelling potential than what we currently have with things being stuck in place.
I always thought Cypher was Omegon, and the sword he carried was some ancient relic to awaken the emperor from the throne may be given to him by the emperor with the emperor seeing into the future knowing he needs to go on the throne to become infinitely more powerful then be awaken to take on the chaos gods
Doesn't the sword belong to the Lion?
Alternative:
What if the black rage theory was true, Sanguinius tore Horus to pieces, and then the Emperor couldn't put him down for sentimental reasons or just hesitated as per the standard story so got mangled himself by angelboy.
We could essentially have the current setting but with vampireangelpoet still around, or something way more interesting... or you might just say chaos still won because the webway rift couldn't be held shut. 🤷
3 Chaos Gods: We've DEFEATED THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!!
Tzeentch: Ahhhhh....mistakes were made
I'd like to learn more about vulcans mega nuke.
Artefacts/treasures of Vulkan update and speculation on what they could be would be pretty cool ngl.
I was literally thinking about this what if a few minutes ago, thank you major
Love your vids
Dear Majorkunt could you please do a video on the properties and history of the astronomicon?? If you haven't already
I like both alternatives as a basis for lore more than what we have tbh.
4:12 he would be something beyond furious
I don't think perturabo will be a traitor though i mean after Emperor and Horus he would probably do his own thing or maybe reconcile with mankind to built a better future essentially becoming the praetorian of the galaxy
My favorite 40k guy by far
Majorkill, there is one thing you got wrong. Even if the talisman was installed and went off, the emperor would have been killed before. Meaning in both of the cases he would return by his perpetual powers and bring humanity back to life. Either after chaos collapsed bevaude of their victory or after the Imperium Secundus has ruled chaos of the map before.