MLB's Nastiest Pitcher That Retired Too Soon
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- By some metrics, he has two of the nastiest pitches in baseball. But before he could ever get the chance to showcase his talents, baseball moved on from him.
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The thing I took out of this video is that Rowen breaks the model because he’s so far off a normal MLB pitcher. The insane movement is partially because he throws so slow that his pitches travel more before reaching the plate. If his sinker was even ~85mph, he’d probably have some success, but big league hitters only have to recognize the direction the pitch is breaking and then hammer it if it’s in the zone. If he throws a single hanging pitch, it’s probably going 425 feet. Awesome video, though, finding these anomalies and digging into them is super cool.
That was exactly what I thought. The one thing that wasn't built into the equation was ability to recognize a pitch. It's possible that due to his arm-slot/mechanics, combined with his low velocity, batters were able to easily recognize his pitches and lay waste to him.
Even so, it's entirely possible that he could be effective if he found a good way to tunnel his pitches and replicate his delivery. Even though he's retired, I'd like to see someone take a chance on him.
@@RockiesCanada Well said. Angels fan and ex pro here. I would cringe over having to face a guy like Rowen as his speed and delivery distracts and gives you too much time to think. Rather face a 95+ 4 seam/ change / slider combo than his stuff. He just cant leave stuff around the middle... becomes BP. Loved watching him pitch though.
The A's would 100% pick this guy up if he decides to go back.😂
Or rays
I’d like Ben Rowen to see this video and reconsider his retirement and come back and play
Gotta love submariners
Totally agree 👍. Side armers have always amazed me. It's as close to a fast pitch softball motion you'll see in baseball.
Submarine nation rise up
I only disagree on one thing: DeGrom is not "God himself", he's "The Destroyer of Worlds" LOL
Facts
He’s the destroyer of his body
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Take this as you will, but this is where I stand. As a believer in the risen Christ, DeGrom is NOT God. He's a great pitcher, but he's not God.
I love weird pitchers so much, the elite guys like Jacob Degrom and Shane Bieber are awesome to watch but it’s just so fun to see a major league pitcher throwing 80 mph fastballs or some other strange trait
My fast ball hovers between the high 80s and low 90s, but my weirdest pitch to me is my slider, which is comfortably in the high 70s lol.
It's really a curveball, but due to my arm angle it moves like a slider
“Pitch go weee, zoom” That got me good. Jolly good day and hope you have a prosperous and great 2022
One thing I’ve from this video is how does Ben Rowan only allow fly outs to Jared Walsh in right field
Seeing Rodon high in a bunch of those metrics explains why the SF Giants looked to him to replace Gausman, wow.
Finding anomalies are so coooool, especially when baseball produces them at such a high rate. Good stuff.
You need to do a video on the Angels being undefeated after leading in the 8th inning, it's quite absurd for a losing season. It shows just how ludicrous Iglesias was with a lead.
Raisel was our Angel in 2021 honestly
they weren't undefeated during the 8th inning, mariners game 161
@@slaqasdq8787 i think he meant the insane numbers raisel iglesias put up as a closer
Angel's legend Ben Rowen
I think he took a job as an advanced scout for the Angels. Interesting to see how he can help us.
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If I threw an eephus pitch everytime wouldnt I have higher pitch movement downward then everyone else too. The model is broken as it doesnt take into account the batters ability to track movement that is so slow
thats an excellent point. It doesnt matter how far your pitch moves if a batter knows where it's going to be
Look at how the position players on the mound are moderately succesful and then
Colin Mchugh was decent on the Mets but it’s crazy how the astros and rays helped him really figure things out. Same with sewald these guys just get better after the Mets lmao. I’ve never heard of Rowen pretty cool
Colin McHugh, Paul Sewald, Chad Bradford acknowledgements..former Mets. Interesting:-)
Rowen was also a part of the Mets... just not on the major league team
Love to see him with Tyler Rodgers and the giants. See if they can pick each other’s brains
The Angels infield (save for Walsh) wasn't particularly well suited to capitalize on all those grounders Rowen potentially put in play. That's my theory anyway, I don't understand how else someone like that didn't succeed.
If that were true he wouldve been successful in other stints. I think the answer is just there's some things you cant easily solve with advanced metrics. The eye test cant be entirely discarded, traditional stats cant be entirely discarded, because at the end of the day it doesnt matter what the metrics say you should be like, it only matters what the output is.
Tyler rogers is an example of someone who has very similar stuff who made it work
I think rowen would be a very cool Rays experiment
This is a prime example why some of these analytics stats that you need a mathematics degree to figure out with can be a bit overrated. Despite how "elite" Rowen's expected run value made him look, he was never all that successful in the majors.
Exactly. Counting stats arent perfect, but they dont put forward this level of anomaly for qualified hitters and pitchers. I think developing new stats and new ways to look at the game is cool, but it doesnt matter if you cant prevent runs
What this video doesn't tell you, is that he also hadn't been that successful in the minors since 2016. While this video focuses on a statement from Rowen about how he manages to keep the ball on the ground, he had an GO/AO ratio of 0.19 in 2019(that is in 89.2 innings, so not a small sample size), whereas that number was well above 2.0 in each of the first 7 seasons in the minors. With hindsight, it is pretty clear that he should have had more of a chance in the majors in the 2013-2016 timeframe(and it was a huge disservice to all of us that he didn't get an extended shot back then), but only the most desperate of teams would have even thought about giving him a chance in 2021 as he was clearly 5 years past his prime.
I don't know what number of pitches need to be thrown for flukes to start levelling out, I know for batters is was accepted that number was around 100 plate appearances, so it would figure something around 400 pitches thrown would be the minimum for any numbers to be taken seriously, and Rowan didn't reach half of that total.
Agree 100%. He has a career 6.26 ERA
I love that Sewald is a titan!
I’ve been leading the Ben Rowen hype train since he was with the Brewers. So sad he retired 😭
Those are some nice player pictures 🤣
To add to the tough run of luck that he had, his ERA (6.26) was almost 2 points higher than his FIP (4.41). He might’ve been due for some regression to the mean but I guess we’ll never truly know
Could you imagine if someone threw using different arm angles while pitching every pitch but they could throw every one of their pitches from each of those arm angles good so the hitter doesn’t know what pitch it is just cause the arm angle… genius and I’m upset I never thought of it when I was playing😂😂
Dude, how bout a video on the Nasty Boys?
Do a vid on Wilin Rosario's career!
Great Video buddy 👍👍
He had a 372 BABIP against for his career.
Can't get much more unlucky than that
This is a simple fix. Put him on the team with the giants submariner
After watching this video now I see why the angels current pitching group is throwing some nasty pitches
i know Ben Rowen! i always keep track of fellow Ben's in the bigs
Buffalo bisons legend Ben Rowen!
He throws as fast as most above average high school pitchers and he’s in the bigs, that’s crazy
Wow
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I think this proves some datapoint isn’t being calculated into the stat.
how would a knuckle ball picture fair with that stat? Velocity = low. Spin = none, command = yeah right. Movement = oh yeah.
For a side arm pitcher he doesn’t conceal the ball all that well. Just an observation.
Closer to submarine but yeah
Also throws to high lack of command is a issue but I'm just going from what the video showed
This guy was a human pitching machine in 2021
Ben rowen went to my high school!
I think this is good evidence that not all metrics are valuable. A pitcher who can throw 100 mph can still be terrible. And position players like Brock Holt whose pitch is so high and arcing that it literally leaves the screen must have insane movement by this standard. But that doesn't make it good.
This seems to be one of those pitchers where pure stats outweigh flashes of the chance of greatness.
The mathematicians & stats guys refer to this as an "outlier"
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Bro won't lie I thought it said died too soon and I immediately thought of Tyler Skaggs because of the thumbnail xD
DeGrom is not GOD but GOD is a Mets fan.
In the 1977 movie called "Oh, God" He said the last Miracle he performed was the 1969 Mets.
Rowan seems like someone billy beane would drool over.
The movement is artificially inflated because of his arm angle.
Well if he were good, then he’d have been good. This is where analytics fails.
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Burnes cy young should have a * next too it everyone knows that's wheeler deserved that. Total BS every baseball analyst was in shock that wheeler didn't get it
371st! Fuck being first 2022
*who retired too soon
Seems a shame.
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Rolando Arrojo easy wtf is this video
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For your future reference, you are pronouncing submariner wrong. I probably know this because of Kent Tekulve and Dan Quisenberry. They were stars in the 70's and 80's and the word submariner was used a lot. It sounds like marinate. Not like marine. Good video. I like this kinda baseball stuff.
Like seattle mariners
No it is marine like submarine to describe the low arm action
@@briantaich yes, submarine is still pronounced submarine. But someone who uses the submarine technique is a submariner, pronounced like mariner.
@@timcurley7940 nah look it up
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