Little Round Top Rehab October 2023 Update

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  • Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2024

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  • @francisgoulart5648
    @francisgoulart5648 Год назад +14

    Regarding the witness trees being taken down for the improvements, kudos to those who wrote in to point out that the witness trees should stay. They should not be taken down, except if they are dead and are creating a danger to visitors. When they are taken down the lumber should be used for something special, like say, making benches for the visitor center, with a plaque that states where the tree was felled and when. Generally, it seems that the project was well done and well thought out. I am impressed that some things were done and then removed when they realized it was not what was needed for the site.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +3

      I am too. It shows that our staff here actually cares about the integrity and heritage of the land and aren’t just punching a clock, so to speak.

  • @patfrog1213
    @patfrog1213 Год назад +21

    Man it looks amazing up there. I gotta give kudos to the NPS for being responsive and listening to the folks who love that place regarding the asphalt and aggregate.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +5

      So do I. It feel like a rare thing for government to listen and adapt

  • @mikediehl1468
    @mikediehl1468 Год назад +6

    Me and my wife live close to Gettysburg. Often over the years we sit on the rocks there in the morning sipping coffee. It will be nice to get back to Little Round Top. Thank you for all you're doing 😀

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed it. You’re right. It will be nice to get back up there. Neither my puppy nor my girlfriend have experienced it yet.

  • @roberthenry9319
    @roberthenry9319 Год назад +9

    Steve Sims is obviously going to be very hard to replace. Fortunately, the NPS has a lot of incredible talent within their ranks. The level of knowledge, patience, planning response , affability and communication skills required by the Park Service, especially at the most senior levels of public interaction, is at least as demanding and perhaps more advanced than most private corporate entities in the country. Even visiting a very isolated national historic site such as Chaco Canyon in New Mexico, you will meet NPS personal who would make excellent corporate executives. The National Park Service is truly an American treasure. This is a remarkable video, Matt. Strong work. Thank you.

  • @GhostofSicklesleg
    @GhostofSicklesleg Год назад +14

    Going to miss Steve Sims, he seemed to care and a calming presence. Great episode and thanks Matt!

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +3

      Glad you enjoyed it. I totally agree. “Calming presence”. I was talking to him before the recording and he told me that he had worked in the private sector between the army and NPS. I’ll bet that helps him walk the line between the public and private sector people the job requires he deal with.

  • @bassmangotdbluz
    @bassmangotdbluz Год назад +4

    Water Bars not only help keep the trail in place by minimizing erosion, but they also aid as traction when hiking up that hill. As a teenage Boy Scout doing conservation projects for the next badge, I installed seemingly hundreds of Water Bars around Manassas NBP, mostly around The Deep Cut and Unfinished Confederate Railroad from Second Bull Run.

  • @rickyriley9441
    @rickyriley9441 Год назад +3

    Thank you ! This was great. Thank you Steve for your stewardship of my favorite place in the world!

  • @stevenfromer3816
    @stevenfromer3816 Год назад +3

    Nicely done gentlemen. I appreciate the intelligent efforts to preserve the natural beauty of the landscape.

  • @savanahmclary4465
    @savanahmclary4465 Год назад +3

    Thank you for the video and for the Gettysburg park preservation.

  • @historical_usa
    @historical_usa Год назад +3

    It looks so beautiful up there!😍🍂🍁

  • @McNair39thNC
    @McNair39thNC Год назад +6

    Great job Matt, can’t wait to see it in person!

  • @tracycc123
    @tracycc123 Год назад +3

    Wow! What amazing work they are doing! So glad they are doing this work so many many generations can come and visit. They just need to not plan the once in a life time vacation until 2025- 26. It will be well worth the wait.

  • @edschermerhorn5415
    @edschermerhorn5415 Год назад +3

    Wow!!! Looks amazing! So fascinating to hear his perspective!

  • @dougm5341
    @dougm5341 Год назад +2

    It’s been more than 18 years since I’ve walked the ground at Gettysburg. I now live in Australia. Thank you for this video….

  • @timothywalker4563
    @timothywalker4563 Год назад +2

    This is cool I used to donate to the battlefield trust and they would send us a newsletter and that was great and now you have You Tube. Direct communication with the National Park service, I like this😊

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      Thanks! We’re trying to help the park get information out in a more approachable way. Keep your eyes peeled for more

  • @anthonysalem1832
    @anthonysalem1832 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the LRT tour! It's looking amazing. It made me happy to see it on my tv screen. It's not the same as being there, but I'm looking forward to getting back up there in '24! Unfortunately, it won't be on my springtime visit, but I can wait.

  • @davidwilhelm3431
    @davidwilhelm3431 Год назад +4

    Outstanding video. I'm a big fan of this necessary project on Little Round Top. I hate to see Steve Sims leaving, but I get it. It would have been nice if he could have seen the LRT work through its conclusion. Steve is a class act and his transparency and personality are appreciated. I hope his replacement has the same qualities.

  • @mch12311969
    @mch12311969 8 месяцев назад +1

    I love everything that I heard here, especially that the park is becoming more accessible as a wheelchair user myself.

  • @michaelbrantl5543
    @michaelbrantl5543 Год назад +2

    Based on devils den rehab this should be awesome. Was just there at Halloween

  • @cyndiebill6631
    @cyndiebill6631 Год назад +2

    I bet they have a lot of Civil War Veterans smiling down at them as the project goes along. This going to be a amazing when it’s all finished.
    Why would anyone want to visit in the summer when it’s as beautiful and less crowded? Love what the GNP is doing it’s just beautiful.
    I’m glad they appreciate the Beaver for all the work they do to help maintain the park.😁👍

  • @johnlewis1640
    @johnlewis1640 Год назад +2

    Thanks for the great video, it's obvious that great care has gone into the rehab, good to see the potential witness trees survived.

  • @A-St.George_the_Dragon
    @A-St.George_the_Dragon Год назад +1

    Hi all (incl. Steve and Matt), from sunny UK!!

  • @jedsteelwell2354
    @jedsteelwell2354 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great job. Theres really no place like Gettysburg and i like that land conservation has come first! I like the feeling of going back in time and i think thats the main attraction

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  11 месяцев назад

      There’s a balancing act between providing us with that feeling of going back in time and meeting modern standards. I think they did a fine job here

  • @gloriabeachy3871
    @gloriabeachy3871 Год назад +2

    This is absolutely wonderful! Thank you so much for caring for the place and the visitors so well.
    My friend and I have come annually since 2012 . It is always hard to leave, AND we always find something new. Thank you thank you❤

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      You’re welcome. Yes, it’s very hard to leave. It’s why I finally decided to move here

  • @bobdelucie596
    @bobdelucie596 Год назад +2

    Wow, I am impressed with the work that they have done so far on LRT! It looks great and it's not even completed yet. I'm also relieved by watching this video, I was so afraid that they were going to ruin it with "improvements". The gathering spots look natural. and the trails fit in with the terrain. I'm also impressed that they made updates to the rehabilitation plan once they realized some of the things they had done weren't working well. Going to miss Steve Sims, best of luck to him at Independence. Hopefully, his successor will recognize what he has accomplished at GB, and just as importantly, how he went about it.

  • @Vinylcommunity89
    @Vinylcommunity89 Год назад +4

    Looks amazing

  • @jumpmaster82nd.
    @jumpmaster82nd. Год назад +5

    Great episode! So glad I didn't see all those concrete circular gathering areas from the original plans come to fruition. Thank God the common sense reasoning won out and theyre actually flexible enough to know when to change course rather than be hard headed and just plow through a plan. Good to know that the parks crew LOVE the grounds rather than just be there doing a government job, get paid and go home. And...evict the beaver by any means necessary.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +2

      Team Mozart!! Yes, you can’t work here and not love it. Even if you didn’t come to the job with a love of the place, it won’t be long before you fall in love with it.

  • @vinniemigliano5268
    @vinniemigliano5268 Год назад +3

    It’s so amazing to see how this project is coming along, and I just can’t wait to be up there next year. Great video, and I love the hat. I kept waiting for you to say “I love the smell of rehabilitation in the morning. Smells like…victory!”😂

  • @jeremysears9964
    @jeremysears9964 Год назад +4

    This was fantastic! Steve is a top notch talent it’s no wonder they moved him to Philly for the 250th. Matt was kinda ok too 😃

  • @colbyt9967
    @colbyt9967 Год назад +4

    Have they found any other artifacts on LRT other than the Dyer Shell? LRT is looking amazing! Awesome job NPS! Thanks for the update Matt!

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      Thanks! I believe so. Nothing that isn’t expected, from what I hear.

    • @colbyt9967
      @colbyt9967 Год назад +2

      @@addressinggettysburg it's amazing how we are still finding stuff 160 years later. Can't wait to visit LRT again! Took my first trip right before it was closed. Devil's Den was closed at the time.

  • @heynsenene
    @heynsenene Год назад +2

    This is so amazing, next week when we have our Camp SUVCW meeting, I'm going to talk about what I saw in today's video and also email blast a link to our membership. For over the past year or so, there's always talk about what's going on at Round Top. I like the idea of creating an optimistic attitude before another Rememberance Day without Round Top. So awesome, thanks Matt!

  • @Vinylcommunity89
    @Vinylcommunity89 Год назад +3

    Well done Matt

  • @altonbunnjr
    @altonbunnjr Год назад +2

    I like what I saw, can’t wait to see the finished effort. I hope it’s opened by May when I plan to visit.

  • @thomasvanetten1984
    @thomasvanetten1984 Год назад +2

    Really insightful video! Appreciate the look around LRT, it appears to be a great rehab. Thanks for doing this!!!!!

  • @BigXEasy506
    @BigXEasy506 Год назад +2

    My God ! If the pond was not there during the Battle then it should be removed and along with the beavers.

  • @swampyankee
    @swampyankee Год назад +2

    First video I've watched from this channel. Great info and camera work. Gave tour's of the battlefield to my students for 30 years several times a year. Love these improvements.

  • @sidk4515
    @sidk4515 Год назад +1

    Maybe benches to sit on instead of the walls and some signage talking about the rehabilitation to encourage people to respect the landscape??

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      My guess is that the answer to that would be that benches weren’t here, the walls were. Retaining walls are structurally necessary so that the monuments that the veterans put up don’t fall down.

  • @bradbalderson8172
    @bradbalderson8172 Год назад +2

    Thanks for doing this Matt, I've shared this over in our Gettysburg Pictures and More group again like the last update.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      Thanks for that! It’s my pleasure to do it. Glad you appreciate it

  • @mwdjr3158
    @mwdjr3158 Год назад +3

    Fantastic content!

  • @EViiiiiiiN
    @EViiiiiiiN 6 месяцев назад +1

    I spent time in Gettysburg every summer growing up from 5 years old to adulthood closing the park at sunset is BS i cant remember but im pretty sure you were allowed till 10 pm in the summer i loved having that time when not many people were in the park.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  6 месяцев назад +1

      I know. It’s heartbreaking to not be allowed out there until 10. I’m glad I got experience and hope that someday they bring those hours back. It’s kinda magical.

    • @Zoetropeification
      @Zoetropeification 4 месяца назад

      Sunset on LRT can be a genuine spiritual experience.

  • @fionagee8373
    @fionagee8373 7 месяцев назад +1

    Glad i found this channel, really useful history wise and to see whats going on today,
    Ill get there one day 😂 many thanks.

  • @SpartansAndHeroes
    @SpartansAndHeroes 11 месяцев назад

    Great info!

  • @Wdstroud
    @Wdstroud Год назад +1

    Really really well done Thoughtful and it provides a new and different opporunity to appreciate the history and the battle. Thank you.👍👍

  • @mikeellis9919
    @mikeellis9919 10 месяцев назад

    I've been here three other times and this video strickes me as worthless to anyone who might want to gather a real perspective of the ground at Little Round Top.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  10 месяцев назад

      lol ok. You do realize this isn’t a history video, but a video updating you on the work being done there. Right?

  • @kevindecoteau3186
    @kevindecoteau3186 Год назад

    Looks great. I hope to visit within the next year.

  • @sugansugan56
    @sugansugan56 8 месяцев назад +1

    Hope I get there soon

  • @williamarner4637
    @williamarner4637 Год назад +1

    Great video, Thank you!

  • @otismygotis3670
    @otismygotis3670 8 месяцев назад +1

    Within 1 year of re-opening, there will be a handrail around the 44th monument.

  • @PghGraybeard
    @PghGraybeard Год назад +2

    Great report and video on Little Round Top. All the changes were presented and the reasons for them given in very clear manner.
    I am looking forward to returning and seeing the final result.
    Are they restoring the breastworks in the area of the 155th PA?

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! Not sure what their plan is for there. That’s a good question to explore on the next tour

  • @karenturner8215
    @karenturner8215 11 месяцев назад +1

    I’m glad to hear about the steps… I was just at Devil’s Den and I’m not a huge fan of the new steps. A handrail would be helpful at Devil’s Den.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  11 месяцев назад

      The thing is, future adults, who are kids today, will think whatever replaces these steps are ugly or weird or whatever. It’s all about perspective. I remember what the old steps were but can’t picture them anymore when I go there.

  • @larryburwell8550
    @larryburwell8550 Год назад

    great video and work done is fantastic

  • @timm1894
    @timm1894 Год назад +1

    This is awesome

  • @lance-iq7hu
    @lance-iq7hu Год назад +2

    looks fantastic,but face facts gentlemen, if you curb the road there will be a whole lot less parking on side of road during the busy season , but plenty extra space for bus! Better rethink open and closing hours....

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      Yeah that thought crossed my mind when he pointed out the new curbing. I anticipate some unforeseen problems will arise from some of the new designs, as can be expected with anything, but overall I think it’s much improved.

  • @---------353
    @---------353 Год назад +2

    Excellent. I have never visited
    But it's on my bucket list. Can't wait. Nice job. When will it reopen? Thanks

  • @walthampton6700
    @walthampton6700 17 дней назад

    2 things. Sims seems like he would be an incredible asset at any park. (Would love to have you down here at Cape Hatteras National Seashore). It begs the question why the long history of turnover after turnover for Gettysburg? Not a loaded question, I am truly curious. Next, the poor ranger on the crutches! Geez guys, couldn’t he have hung back on this day?

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  16 дней назад

      Sims is a Rev War guy and was offered a position in Philly that, on the ever of the 250th anniversary of the country, was an offer he couldn’t refuse. As for the ranger on the crutches, I don’t know. He’s a tougher man than I

  • @artbagley1406
    @artbagley1406 7 месяцев назад +1

    Meagher's bust (yes, another Irish Union officer) gets the same treatment as "Paddy" -- at Antietam's observation tower at the eastern end of the Bloody Lane.

  • @robertvantassell1143
    @robertvantassell1143 Год назад +2

    When will you be placing the monument and flank markers for the 101st PA. Beavers?

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      😂

    • @kurtgreaser988
      @kurtgreaser988 Год назад

      🦫 in Pennsylvania? Oh wait, Pennsylvania has a governor named after them, plus a football stadium named after governor.

  • @twisted_24gauge
    @twisted_24gauge Год назад +4

    Amazing episode, Matt!! I can't wait to get back up on Little Round Top. I wish I could have been your cameraman for this episode. The camera used to film this, is it your new camera?

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      Thanks! No it’s not my new one. It’s a Canon like the one I’m going to get but it’s double the price.

  • @gjjmss
    @gjjmss Год назад +1

    The Ranger mentions "Traffic Problems" with cars. I vote for NPS buses to be employed to limit the amount of visitors. Buses could be timed and people can wait for their bus time. This method seems to be highly sucsessful at several othe parks (Shenandoah Old Rag, Harpers Ferry, Yosemite, Cadilac Mountain, etc.)

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      That would be disastrous here. The people would rise up lol

    • @gjjmss
      @gjjmss Год назад

      I dought that! People will adjust and they would probably like it better because there would be less crowding.

    • @cherylschantz9893
      @cherylschantz9893 11 месяцев назад

      I would hate to be timed. I am disabled and love history.

  • @pheatton
    @pheatton 8 месяцев назад +1

    Are they going to add any orientation plaques or something? I've been interested in Gettysburg since seeing the movie in the mid nineties and have been there a number of times. I find it still hard to orient oneself to where major events happened etc

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  8 месяцев назад

      There was one up there before, so I imagine they would have one there when it reopens. I guess we will find out in our next video.

  • @coreystinson132
    @coreystinson132 Год назад +1

    What about those who want to retrace a relatives footsteps, for instance walking up through devils den and onward to little round top "not on a designated trail?"

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      There’s nothing that says, nor will there be, as far as I know, that you cannot go off the trails. They prefer you don’t, but they’re not prohibiting it. It’s not the end of the world as we know it. You’ll still have access to whatever you’re used to having access to.

  • @Zoetropeification
    @Zoetropeification 4 месяца назад

    Steve would be a great next door neighbor.

  • @sidk4515
    @sidk4515 Год назад +1

    Ever thought of using goats to clear the underbrush?

  • @jimmypowell7508
    @jimmypowell7508 Год назад +1

    Matt - do you feel wheel chairs will be ok on the glued aggerate walkways?

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      I was thinking that when we got to the end of the wheelchair path and went down to Warren. I’ve never used a wheelchair, nor helped someone who is in one, but my feeling was that the aggregate paths AS THEY ARE NOW could handle wheelchairs. Wheeler discretion is advised, though

    • @jimmypowell7508
      @jimmypowell7508 Год назад +1

      Thanks@@addressinggettysburg

  • @bettinajoedebell2058
    @bettinajoedebell2058 Год назад

    Great session! Loved seeing what is going on and can't wait to see it next September, do you think it will be packed then? (September 20-25)

  • @10CrazyGlue
    @10CrazyGlue Год назад

    Man, if this dude was in charge, it'd be no kids allowed & everything behind glass. That being said, thank God for fantastic Park Rangers who get it. Great work guys!

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      Lol but he was in charge and they didn’t do any of that

    • @10CrazyGlue
      @10CrazyGlue Год назад

      @@addressinggettysburg nah, not the park ranger, the other guy. Ranger was awesome

  • @timm1894
    @timm1894 Год назад +3

    Go Team Beaver

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      Lol booooo!!!!

    • @A-St.George_the_Dragon
      @A-St.George_the_Dragon Год назад

      Yeah, I'm on Team Beaver ..... all the way! Gotta know, though, were they one of partners or stakeholders (being volunteers) that were consulted? 😆

  • @32rickyromo
    @32rickyromo 11 месяцев назад +1

    Astroturfing hallowed ground, no sir, not in favor of....

  • @franklubbock8400
    @franklubbock8400 Год назад +1

    I didn’t know Tom Segura was so in to Gettysburg!

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      Hahaha you’re like the 8th person to say that this month. I should probably look into who the hell he is. Also, it’s spelled “into” 🫡

  • @ashleygill-p7z
    @ashleygill-p7z Год назад

    Ok but at 49:11 can we talk about the shadow or whatever it is. 😂

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      That’s called an ND Filter, or “neutral density filter”. It’s to stop the light colors from being blown out from sunlight.

  • @johnflo-grif2639
    @johnflo-grif2639 Год назад

    Paint any paths or roads -BROWN. And color Crawford Avenue brown!

  • @TSimo113
    @TSimo113 4 месяца назад

    FYI the project is finished.

  • @Kittycommissar
    @Kittycommissar 7 месяцев назад +1

    I’m going on June 3th. Will little round top be open?

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  7 месяцев назад

      I don’t think so, but no one knows yet. No date has been announced

    • @Kittycommissar
      @Kittycommissar 7 месяцев назад

      @@addressinggettysburg thank you. I went last year and it was also closed.

  • @brucereed105
    @brucereed105 Год назад

    Oh we will find you. Pink balloons can be seen from far off.

  • @brandonpliskin2310
    @brandonpliskin2310 Год назад +3

    Law and Oates attempted to take little round top a half dozen times, you guys only needed two “takes”

  • @McNair39thNC
    @McNair39thNC Год назад +1

    I’m curious to know what was going on that was not in line with the laws that he had to enforce?

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      Little things like people using the park for certain banned recreations, like roller blading, or picnicking in undesignated areas. Some internal things as I understand it. A good deal of previous superintendents slacking on some regulations that people and organizations had gotten used to. A bunch of stuff

    • @McNair39thNC
      @McNair39thNC Год назад

      @@addressinggettysburg interesting. I know at least one of the previous supers had some…computer problems🤣

  • @jakereynolds1893
    @jakereynolds1893 Год назад +1

    Superintendent seems to be pretty full of himself. Get Matt on next time, please.

  • @BILLYHOLLINGHURST
    @BILLYHOLLINGHURST Год назад +1

    When is little round top going to reopen

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад +1

      He answers that early on in the video. It’s an answer that depends on some variables

  • @mthompson0331
    @mthompson0331 Год назад

    yeah you guys arent being honest at all. this is fun.......

  • @Maintenance63
    @Maintenance63 Год назад

    Can they use goats to control vegetation?

  • @EnigmaticAnomaly
    @EnigmaticAnomaly Год назад +3

    Shut down one of the most popular areas of the battlefield, for what ... six years or so? How long can they drag this out? Got to be union workers. Experts at turning a six month project into a decade.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      🤦🏻‍♂️ all the info has been and is still out there, many of it in this video, if you care to know. 6 years? Let’s correct you a bit, shall we? It was projected to take 18-24 months. It was approved by Congress over a decade ago. The funds for it became available over a year ago. As Superintendent Sims says, the park’s HOPE is that they will be able to reopen on the anniversary of 2024. Where did you get your information?

  • @johnnylongfeather3086
    @johnnylongfeather3086 Год назад

    The leafage is all wrong.

  • @stevemattson4863
    @stevemattson4863 Год назад +2

    These so call improvements are wrong,first time people that have done their homework will show up and will be truly let down not being able to see it in the way it s in pictures ,i do understand but totally disappointed.

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  Год назад

      MCNAIRED! Pictures from which era? The battle? The memorialization period? The period when you could drive your car up onto the summit? The era with all the landscaping including trees that were planted to make it lol like a park and not a battlefield? The entire park has had many facelifts over the years. If people are going to let the changes made here ruin their experience, they have some deep-rooted psychological issues that need addressing. Besides, the vast majority of the visitors are not supernerds like us. They’re they average Joe who, h til their visit to Gettysburg, thought George Washington was at this battle and that it’s located in Virginia, not Pennsylvania. Everything will be fine.

  • @shanestahl8788
    @shanestahl8788 11 месяцев назад

    It better be done by July. And who decided to do the restoration during the 160th anniversary? Lets freaking go

    • @addressinggettysburg
      @addressinggettysburg  11 месяцев назад

      They had no choice over when it was done. The money for it was approved by Congress over a decade ago. It became available a couple of years ago and they had to use the money or lose it, basically. Hopefully we don’t get a lot of snow that interferes with whatever work they plan to do over the winter. I miss going up there