And the price of Mosin 91/30s rose dramatically as people realized that they're five times as safe using it, as opposed to those stubby little Kar98s and SMLEs. However, the FDA now mandates warning labels on all bayonet-equipped Mosin rifles to make the user aware that using it as a Social Distancing Measurement Device (SDMD) has been shown to result in hoarseness due to the vocal exertion required to bridge the distance so achieved.
"21st Century Bayonet Charges In the last ten years, British troops have resorted to the bayonet to break impasses in combat both in Iraq and Afghanistan. In May, 2004, a detachment from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders surprised a force of 100 insurgents near Al Amara, Iraq with a bayonet charge. British casualties were light, but nearly 28 guerrillas were killed. And as recently as October of 2011, a British Army lance corporal named Sean Jones led a squad of soldiers from the Prince of Wales Royal Regiment in a bayonet charge against Taliban fighters in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. After being ambushed and pinned down by militants, the 25-year-old ordered his squad to advance into a hail of machine gun fire. “We had to react quickly,” Jones remarked. “I shouted ‘follow me’ and we went for it.” He was awarded the Military Cross for his actions. Even in an age of GPS-guided bombs, unmanned drones and network-centric warfare, 300-year-old technology - like the simple bayonet - can still carry the day."
I know you strive for perfection but I think your drill had all the necessary snap and precision to make it look great and was excellent for the purposes of demonstration, the stupid single handed thrust not withstanding. Once again a very atmospheric video with excellent use of archive footage and photographs plus a wonderful opportunity to see the guards actually performing the drills. Bravo sir, one of your best to date.
A gent I've worked with has fond memories of bayonet training. It began at 4 am when he was woken from his slumber by a sergeant hosing him down from the barracks fire hose. It went downhill from there; but the lesson wasn't lost on him.
Another good video, the rare original film was excellent. I remember when I joined the British Army we were taught basic bayonet use, with the SLR, and our instructors pointed out bayonets were actually used in clearing Argentine trenches in the then very recent Falkland's War of 1982. Modern British assault rifles still have bayonets, although I don't know any details as my son is serving in the Royal Navy. I bet the troops hated those white jackets, as you said how did they keep them clean!
How have I not stumbled across your channel earlier? The passion and quality in your video are unfathomable. I enjoy watching your content, keep up the great work.
Fascinating, another grest video. It all seems so dramatic, and in action I suppose the formality went by the board. But I suppose that like all drill these built in muscle memory and reflex.
A geography teacher told me "Just stick it in and twist". Now I think of it, he might have been talking about how to attach one to the SMLE he had to carry.
I just tried the exercises with my M96 Swedish Mauser. The Second Point is hard! Note that "Fixed Bayonets" by Alfred Hutton is available on Amazon, in hardcover and paperback.
It's interesting to compare this with Alfred Hutton's Fixed Bayonets from 1890. His criticisms of the new bayonet exercises make more sense after watching this.
I like how in the period photographs they practised in lines opposite each other. You don't realise how terrifying the bayonet is until you see it coming at you in the face-on shots. They didn't like it up 'em. I don't blame 'em. I don't neither.
I've fallen a little behind with your uploads I'm ashamed to say. So belatedly, along with the usual informative content it's also great to see the white drill jacket in use too!
My great-great grandfather, John Mackenzie, served in the Cameron Highlanders in the Crimean War, Indian Mutiny and Northwest Frontier of India. After 21 years with the Camerons, he joined the Black Watch (3rd Ben.) for a further 20 years as Quartermaster Sergeant. He was the last person to be awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal for the Crimea and the other campaigns, in 1895. His son, Thomas Mackenzie served as Colour Sergeant in the Cameron Highlanders, and fought in the Sudan Campaign of 1898. He fought at the battles of the Atbara and Omdurman, for which he was mentioned in dispatches and awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. He also served in the Boer War, but was invalided from the Army during this war, the documented reason being that he “became insane”. I assume that this may have had PTSD, because in subsequent civilian life, he worked as Lord Northcliffe’s factor. Among the photos I have of these relatives, is one taken in 1898 of Thomas with rifle and a ram’s head snuff mull after winning a regimental rifle competition. I also owned a Lancaster oval bore .360 no.5 sporting rifle, which had belonged to Captain Charles Findlay of the Camerons , who was killed at the Battle of the Atbara while storming the Zariba. I tracked down his grandson (unknown to Findlay at the time of his death, his young wife was pregnant) and the rifle is back with the family.
These bayonet drills are fascinating to watch. I'll probably practice them with my PSAK-47 since I got a bayonet for that. On a random note, I'd love to see a sketch of the sergeant seeing a modern rifle like an AR for the first time. Then private Mackenzie gets a chance to fire it semi or even full auto and the sergeant is just horrified that the standard infantry would get a rifle made of plastic and aluminum chambered in a 22 caliber round. Of course, just for shooting it, Mackenzie gets ordered to peel potatoes. You'd have to come to the states to film that though.
Scuse me if I missed it, but for how long was this level of bayonet training (the fence) continued in the British Army and the Dominions? This is no square bashing for the sake of it. The archival film at 21:36 reminds me of kata in martial arts, moves that are strung together in a formalised routine to i) embed the movements so they become automatic, ii) build strength and coordination, iii) build muscle memory, and iv) instill form and confidence. Now that I know, it makes so much sense. I had some ill-formed idea that bayonet training was primarily running at a sand-filled sack dangling from a rope, à la Dad's Army. The reference to using the rifle but, as advocated by Alfred Hutton, is logical and, I would imagine, highly effective. I really wouldn't fancy taking on a opponent, proficient and equipped in this manner, in a close-quarters melee, but I suspect by the time I was aware of what I was facing, it would be too late %~)) Has a bayonet exercise routine been performed at a military tattoo in recent decades/ever? Rifle twirling is impressive enough, but having a formation advancing with these moves would be devastating. This is another absolutely fascinating video. Thank you.
The New Zealand army was still teaching it in the 1950's. The Japanese Ground Self Defence Forces were still teaching it in 2003 (as Jukendo, a formal martial art) as an optional exercise for troops (the other options being Judo, Kendo, Aikido, and a form/school of jujitsu (the exact style escapes me off hand)).
Great to see Matt Easton in there, I hope one day you guys can do a colab, perhaps rifle and sword drills with Pvt McKenzie and Captain Context à la Baldrick and Blackadder!
Not as such,...... Bayonet techniques are somewhat less formal than the presentation here... that said, they are taught, and practiced in varying schemes.
Love the videos! In reference to a few of the past I would like to see a shoot off of your Baker rifle with non patched paper cartridges vs the Brown Bess.
The Scots Guards were given the order to fix bayonets in the Falklands in 1982. I later met one of them who told me that order made his blood run cold and the hair on the back of his neck bristle. He did not use his bayonet that day but others did use theirs in CQB.
Great video as always. I'd love to see a video on the Swedish M96 Mauser one day, altough i don't expect that to happen on a channel focused on british arms :)
Is the regimental quartermaster a good place to acquire Slade-Wallce equipment Rob? I cannot seems to find many places online that still have them in stock such as Amazon or IMA. Love your videos.
Yes, I would recommend Stan. Point to know, that nearly all the SW out there, is of the similar repro pattern with some minor, inherent faults. Stan carries bits and pieces periodically and best contact him to see what he has at the moment. Mine is from IMA but I have done quite a bit of work to make it better.
Is there a reason why the right hand in Third guard is in that chiken wing/t-rex arm/bent wrist position? I primarily fight with spears, and that hand position is a spectacularly bad idea in that context, because the first strike (as opposed to thrust) into that guard will badly shock your wrist even with a staff, let alone a danaxe or a halberd. You also can't properly brace your thrust from there until the wrist is unbent. A few tips for second point - the slower you do it, the harder it gets. Keep your rear arm relaxed and throw the rifle forward. Don't try to pull it back at all until it exhausted its forward momentum because of reaching its full extent, then pull it back with moderate force. If you want to get absolutely no dipping of the point on withdraw, make the initial throw slightly diagonal upwards, that means it will keep its upward momentum at the point of full extension and will not get a chance to dip before it is back - perfecting that takes practice, obviously, especially off hand.
Having some experience in swordsmanship and pole arms it seemed odd that use of the butt and dynamic footwork were excluded but it appears more practiced fencers of the time also were aware. Do you happen to know how widely Hutton's work was adopted and/or was more advanced technique practiced at perhaps the regimental level?
The point of drills like this was to teach an awful lot of people simple techniques very quickly. Making it too complicated or confusing defeats the object. As you say there was nothing stopping more experienced individuals adding more advanced techniques on an individual basis as they wish. Modern British army bayonet training has taken this to the extreme and very few actual techniques are taught and instead it focuses on promoting aggressiveness and a will to close with the enemy.
KISS is totally understandable and this system offers a pretty solid foundation, to be honest it is probably enough against other western opponents. That said the Empire had a lot of global commitments and fought asymmetric opponents looking to get into melee. That's why I was curious if the they typically supplemented this drill with more advanced training such as Hutton's or if this proved enough. Though the flipside to that is what was the typical individual skill level of those opponents.
Huttons work was largely absorbed by those who may have instructed such subjects. Gymnasium staff, etc... I suppose, that as part of the greater individual training cycle, "advanced" training may have taken place with the more complicated techniques being covered...
Questions: When fighting did they wear those tall bonnets ? What was the use of the long hair on them ? Also. Was the sporran used for caring anything ? I would be interested to see the historical development of the uniforms and reasons for the various parts of the uniform.
The last time the feather bonnet was worn in Action was during the Indian Mutiny of 1857-59. After that, increasingly undress items were used in the field after that.
What isn't really appreciated is that the British and Commonwealth forces were almost unique in the emphasis they placed on *willingness* to close and engage with bayonet. Aside from the Japanese, no other military of the 19th or, for the most part, 20th Centuries held the same tactical attitude. There's been some fascinating statistical study done on this aspect of warfare. When the British were *able* to close in reasonable order and attack with bayonet they won over 98% of the time. Other nations of comparable tech simply wouldn't sit about and take such an attack. They would, for the most part, withdraw at the point such an attack became possible. Quite simply, as weapons developed and lethality and ranges increased, in almost every country the military grew less and less likely to willingly *close* & engage in hand to hand combat. They'd fight if caught, but if they had the option they would decline.
Hi, I have a late 1800’s/early 1900’s bayonet trainer in my rifle club at bisley. I was wondering if you could take a look at a photo and properly date it for me?
Interesting, I saw other Bayonet techniques that were used for the SMLE and No.4 Rifles and they were quite Different when compared, The 1937 and 1942 Bayonet Exercises shows big differences on Holding the Rifle and the Thrust.
@@britishmuzzleloaders All of your videos are interesting!!! You really should make a trip down here to Ohio and check out the Camp Perry matches!! I'll even buy you a beer!.
I'm wondering if any learned soul can solve a mystery for me. I have seen photos of British soldiers at Omdurman & South Africa wear their white bread-bags on their upper back between their shoulders where their valise usually fits. But how was this bread-bag kept in place? That is, what were the bread-bag straps attached to?
The haversack was carrion the back by simply stepping into the strap with the bag upside down and at the front, then lift it up under the arms, and then flop it over the head so it lies on the back...
Mackenzie is back and of course he has to peel the potatoes. Will he ever learn? 😉😉😉 Second Point - I could see the rifle come flying out of the hand if the grip wasn't secure enough.
Brother bullet and sister steel...bayonet still in use today, Princess of Wales regiment charged Taliban ambush some while ago, luckily for them they had run away, a British soldier is fearsome with steel at other end, when the Adrenaline kicks in, you’re prepared to use it and do “terrible work”. Stay safe. #UBIQUE
@@britishmuzzleloaders Oh, I apologize. Didn't mean to bring up anything potentially controversial. You make exceptional content here, and I greatly enjoy the information you provide. Have a great day Sir! 👍
@@exohead1 There Is mate, I may be bias but compared to all other empires, the British Empire was the best and most beneficial to it's former colonies.
hey man, today I have a new 'mania' after someone told me about those repro Baker Rifles. Truth is, always on paper I prefer originals but for the chance to quickly play with that gorgeous rifle sooner, www.veteranarms.com/ReproductionMuzzleloadersandFlintlocks/Baker-Rifle.html is this a good idea?
It is not a "rifle" as it says in the description.... Like the remainder of the made-in-India reproductions, they are smoothbores as they are made for the re-enactor market who don't shoot live ammunition (typically). So if you are interested in shooting it in an historical way, it will not give you that experience.... If you are just interested in the look and feel, then that example is no different to others on the market, I would say...
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The Commonwealth Armed Forces must be so confusing! All the soldiers look alike! Down to the moustache!
Our cloning vats are very efficient sir!
I know....
that's why they give rupert a funny hat..
In this age of social distancing the bayonet equipped rifle comes back into utility. If I can touch you with the bayonet you are too close.
Haha!
LOL
And the price of Mosin 91/30s rose dramatically as people realized that they're five times as safe using it, as opposed to those stubby little Kar98s and SMLEs. However, the FDA now mandates warning labels on all bayonet-equipped Mosin rifles to make the user aware that using it as a Social Distancing Measurement Device (SDMD) has been shown to result in hoarseness due to the vocal exertion required to bridge the distance so achieved.
@@christopherreed4723 are you american? And why do you dislike the Lee Enfield so much?
Nothing wrong with the Enfield. It's a fine rifle.
Sigh. Will Private Mackenzie never learn? I mean the poor sergeant has done his best but honestly there are only so many latrines that can be dug.
and potatoes peeled...
Me: well it's 12:43 AM, time for bed!
Rob: *New British Muzzleloaders Video to watch*
Me: Yes Sargent!
I'll join you on that front, private!
Thank you for sacrificing.... :-)
"21st Century Bayonet Charges
In the last ten years, British troops have resorted to the bayonet to break impasses in combat both in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In May, 2004, a detachment from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders surprised a force of 100 insurgents near Al Amara, Iraq with a bayonet charge. British casualties were light, but nearly 28 guerrillas were killed. And as recently as October of 2011, a British Army lance corporal named Sean Jones led a squad of soldiers from the Prince of Wales Royal Regiment in a bayonet charge against Taliban fighters in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. After being ambushed and pinned down by militants, the 25-year-old ordered his squad to advance into a hail of machine gun fire. “We had to react quickly,” Jones remarked. “I shouted ‘follow me’ and we went for it.” He was awarded the Military Cross for his actions. Even in an age of GPS-guided bombs, unmanned drones and network-centric warfare, 300-year-old technology - like the simple bayonet - can still carry the day."
It remains a small piece of the Soldier's kit that can and will continue to have a use in select circumstances...
@@britishmuzzleloaders Generally a last desperate measure, but "cold steel" strikes fear into the toughest of people.
@@seanjoseph8637 It is also the fastest way to clear a path of weeds.
Damn. Mackenzie didn't even screw up and he's already being made to peel the potatoes
He was commenting on the change in Bayonets, that's enough in the Army to get himthe duty.
Well I did say in a comment on a previous video. It is his MOS. MOS-65 specifically. The 65 denoting SP. SP stands of course for Spud Peeler
Oh well... he should be good at something then...
I know you strive for perfection but I think your drill had all the necessary snap and precision to make it look great and was excellent for the purposes of demonstration, the stupid single handed thrust not withstanding. Once again a very atmospheric video with excellent use of archive footage and photographs plus a wonderful opportunity to see the guards actually performing the drills. Bravo sir, one of your best to date.
Thank you kindly.. that footage was incredible and just so completely relevant!
A gent I've worked with has fond memories of bayonet training.
It began at 4 am when he was woken from his slumber by a sergeant hosing him down from the barracks fire hose. It went downhill from there; but the lesson wasn't lost on him.
This Victorian style of training has largely been replaced by aggression focused drills and usage.
Thank you Rob. Well done. I remember bayonet drill in 1977, US Army. Still have mine.
You are most welcome!
I was so merrily surprised to see a little skit at the beginning of this one. It made my afternoon one bit brighter!
Nice to hear! Cheers.
Another good video, the rare original film was excellent. I remember when I joined the British Army we were taught basic bayonet use, with the SLR, and our instructors pointed out bayonets were actually used in clearing Argentine trenches in the then very recent Falkland's War of 1982. Modern British assault rifles still have bayonets, although I don't know any details as my son is serving in the Royal Navy. I bet the troops hated those white jackets, as you said how did they keep them clean!
Those jackets were in service for 60-70 years.... imagine the fussing...
Thank you Rob for another great video. The film of the bayonet drill in real time is invaluable. What a great resource!
Cheers!
Videos like this are why I have been a proud Patreon supporter from day 1 on Patreon! Magnificent work Rob!
Thank you kindly!
Very interesting! Seeing the exercises performed is definitely more informative than just looking at the pictures.
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for sharing! Always look forward to a new British Muzzleloaders Video!
Thank you!
Thanks so much! The real world examples of your videos are fantastic!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your begining skits sum up the military wonderfly.
Cheers!
How have I not stumbled across your channel earlier? The passion and quality in your video are unfathomable. I enjoy watching your content, keep up the great work.
Thank you! Hopefully there is more you find interesting!
excellent presentation as allways
Thank you! Cheers!
very cool and detailed infomative military drills
Cheers!
Smashing good work as always, Rob.
Thanks!
You certainly know how to get a point across. Bravo.
He who puns.....
@@britishmuzzleloaders Very well. I select the right hip one.
Once again more quality content, I can't get enough of this channel!!
Cheers!
Superb stuff Sir! Poor McKenzie, he was the only one who didn't see that coming!
Hapless....
Fascinating, another grest video. It all seems so dramatic, and in action I suppose the formality went by the board. But I suppose that like all drill these built in muscle memory and reflex.
The drills are simply vehicles of instruction, as mentioned in the video.
A geography teacher told me "Just stick it in and twist".
Now I think of it, he might have been talking about how to attach one to the SMLE he had to carry.
Much appreciated. Best wishes from Northern Ireland.
Thank you!
I just tried the exercises with my M96 Swedish Mauser. The Second Point is hard!
Note that "Fixed Bayonets" by Alfred Hutton is available on Amazon, in hardcover and paperback.
Takes a bit of work.... mind the walls!
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
It's interesting to compare this with Alfred Hutton's Fixed Bayonets from 1890. His criticisms of the new bayonet exercises make more sense after watching this.
Glad to put things into perspective.
These rifles stand immortal in the halls of time.
They have their appeal dont' they..
britishmuzzleloaders they certainly do! The No2 is the one rifle I want to fire before I die. A martini Henry is also on my dream list!
Fabulous video, the quality and detail are just superb. Congrats Soldier. I've never become a Patreon before, but I think this is about to change :)
That is very generous if you decide to do so, Thank you.
I like how in the period photographs they practised in lines opposite each other. You don't realise how terrifying the bayonet is until you see it coming at you in the face-on shots. They didn't like it up 'em. I don't blame 'em. I don't neither.
It certainly brings an immediacy to things...
I've fallen a little behind with your uploads I'm ashamed to say. So belatedly, along with the usual informative content it's also great to see the white drill jacket in use too!
James Dix made it.. great quality.
I am not surprised at such from James! Excellent.
Whats longer the Metford bayonet or the 1907 pattern?
07....
*Hears bagpipes salutes to myself* "Yes sargent!"
Hopefully there were no potatoes in your future..
My great-great grandfather, John Mackenzie, served in the Cameron Highlanders in the Crimean War, Indian Mutiny and Northwest Frontier of India. After 21 years with the Camerons, he joined the Black Watch (3rd Ben.) for a further 20 years as Quartermaster Sergeant. He was the last person to be awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal for the Crimea and the other campaigns, in 1895. His son, Thomas Mackenzie served as Colour Sergeant in the Cameron Highlanders, and fought in the Sudan Campaign of 1898. He fought at the battles of the Atbara and Omdurman, for which he was mentioned in dispatches and awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. He also served in the Boer War, but was invalided from the Army during this war, the documented reason being that he “became insane”. I assume that this may have had PTSD, because in subsequent civilian life, he worked as Lord Northcliffe’s factor. Among the photos I have of these relatives, is one taken in 1898 of Thomas with rifle and a ram’s head snuff mull after winning a regimental rifle competition. I also owned a Lancaster oval bore .360 no.5 sporting rifle, which had belonged to Captain Charles Findlay of the Camerons , who was killed at the Battle of the Atbara while storming the Zariba. I tracked down his grandson (unknown to Findlay at the time of his death, his young wife was pregnant) and the rifle is back with the family.
3rd Btn Black Watch. Damn you, spellcheck!
Fantastic history and the fact that you know it is doubly so! Thanks for sharing!
Do you think that the South Lancashire infantry would have used this drill when attacking Railway hill and Hart's hill during the relief of Ladysmith?
They certainly would have been well conversant with it... it's use on the battlefield would have been rather more "organic" though...
These bayonet drills are fascinating to watch. I'll probably practice them with my PSAK-47 since I got a bayonet for that.
On a random note, I'd love to see a sketch of the sergeant seeing a modern rifle like an AR for the first time. Then private Mackenzie gets a chance to fire it semi or even full auto and the sergeant is just horrified that the standard infantry would get a rifle made of plastic and aluminum chambered in a 22 caliber round. Of course, just for shooting it, Mackenzie gets ordered to peel potatoes. You'd have to come to the states to film that though.
Nice!
Great vid, very informative
Glad you enjoyed it!
Mackenzie, and potatoes. Name a more iconic duo.
Bloke on the Range and something going wrong
Rob and his moustache
Ian and a class of Highland Malt
Haha!
Brilliant. Broadcast quality video and narration. Why isn't this guy on main stream TV?
Because Historical Shooting of the 19th and 20th Centuries isn't quite mainstream... :-)
Maybe, but I'd watch it. Can't wait for the next one.
Scuse me if I missed it, but for how long was this level of bayonet training (the fence) continued in the British Army and the Dominions? This is no square bashing for the sake of it. The archival film at 21:36 reminds me of kata in martial arts, moves that are strung together in a formalised routine to i) embed the movements so they become automatic, ii) build strength and coordination, iii) build muscle memory, and iv) instill form and confidence. Now that I know, it makes so much sense. I had some ill-formed idea that bayonet training was primarily running at a sand-filled sack dangling from a rope, à la Dad's Army. The reference to using the rifle but, as advocated by Alfred Hutton, is logical and, I would imagine, highly effective. I really wouldn't fancy taking on a opponent, proficient and equipped in this manner, in a close-quarters melee, but I suspect by the time I was aware of what I was facing, it would be too late %~)) Has a bayonet exercise routine been performed at a military tattoo in recent decades/ever? Rifle twirling is impressive enough, but having a formation advancing with these moves would be devastating. This is another absolutely fascinating video. Thank you.
The New Zealand army was still teaching it in the 1950's.
The Japanese Ground Self Defence Forces were still teaching it in 2003 (as Jukendo, a formal martial art) as an optional exercise for troops (the other options being Judo, Kendo, Aikido, and a form/school of jujitsu (the exact style escapes me off hand)).
Bayonet training remains a part of Commonwealth infantry training.
Great to see Matt Easton in there, I hope one day you guys can do a colab, perhaps rifle and sword drills with Pvt McKenzie and Captain Context à la Baldrick and Blackadder!
That would be great!
I wish I had the proper words to describe this video. This is so amazing. Are these techniques still being used in the British Military
Not as such,...... Bayonet techniques are somewhat less formal than the presentation here... that said, they are taught, and practiced in varying schemes.
Love the videos! In reference to a few of the past I would like to see a shoot off of your Baker rifle with non patched paper cartridges vs the Brown Bess.
Wait for it,....... 😀
Love it, Poor Mackenzie. :) Very interesting, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Scots Guards were given the order to fix bayonets in the Falklands in 1982. I later met one of them who told me that order made his blood run cold and the hair on the back of his neck bristle. He did not use his bayonet that day but others did use theirs in CQB.
Indeed, they did, much every other battalion that went into the assault. Pretty standard MO in era.
Wonderful please carry on
Thanks!
Great video as always. I'd love to see a video on the Swedish M96 Mauser one day, altough i don't expect that to happen on a channel focused on british arms :)
Maybe not the Swedish one, but maybe a comparison of those that opposed the rifles typically featured not eh Channel.
Very true. The British did not own 1/4 of the world by force of arms alone...
Nice video mate, huzzah!!!
Thank you!
Is the regimental quartermaster a good place to acquire Slade-Wallce equipment Rob? I cannot seems to find many places online that still have them in stock such as Amazon or IMA. Love your videos.
Yes, I would recommend Stan. Point to know, that nearly all the SW out there, is of the similar repro pattern with some minor, inherent faults. Stan carries bits and pieces periodically and best contact him to see what he has at the moment. Mine is from IMA but I have done quite a bit of work to make it better.
Is there a reason why the right hand in Third guard is in that chiken wing/t-rex arm/bent wrist position? I primarily fight with spears, and that hand position is a spectacularly bad idea in that context, because the first strike (as opposed to thrust) into that guard will badly shock your wrist even with a staff, let alone a danaxe or a halberd. You also can't properly brace your thrust from there until the wrist is unbent.
A few tips for second point - the slower you do it, the harder it gets. Keep your rear arm relaxed and throw the rifle forward. Don't try to pull it back at all until it exhausted its forward momentum because of reaching its full extent, then pull it back with moderate force. If you want to get absolutely no dipping of the point on withdraw, make the initial throw slightly diagonal upwards, that means it will keep its upward momentum at the point of full extension and will not get a chance to dip before it is back - perfecting that takes practice, obviously, especially off hand.
Thanks for the comments! Cheers.
Having some experience in swordsmanship and pole arms it seemed odd that use of the butt and dynamic footwork were excluded but it appears more practiced fencers of the time also were aware. Do you happen to know how widely Hutton's work was adopted and/or was more advanced technique practiced at perhaps the regimental level?
The point of drills like this was to teach an awful lot of people simple techniques very quickly. Making it too complicated or confusing defeats the object. As you say there was nothing stopping more experienced individuals adding more advanced techniques on an individual basis as they wish.
Modern British army bayonet training has taken this to the extreme and very few actual techniques are taught and instead it focuses on promoting aggressiveness and a will to close with the enemy.
KISS is totally understandable and this system offers a pretty solid foundation, to be honest it is probably enough against other western opponents. That said the Empire had a lot of global commitments and fought asymmetric opponents looking to get into melee. That's why I was curious if the they typically supplemented this drill with more advanced training such as Hutton's or if this proved enough. Though the flipside to that is what was the typical individual skill level of those opponents.
Huttons work was largely absorbed by those who may have instructed such subjects. Gymnasium staff, etc... I suppose, that as part of the greater individual training cycle, "advanced" training may have taken place with the more complicated techniques being covered...
Questions: When fighting did they wear those tall bonnets ? What was the use of the long hair on them ? Also. Was the sporran used for caring anything ? I would be interested to see the historical development of the uniforms and reasons for the various parts of the uniform.
The last time the feather bonnet was worn in Action was during the Indian Mutiny of 1857-59. After that, increasingly undress items were used in the field after that.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Thanks
I love your 'fancy dress' it's very smart.
Cheers
What isn't really appreciated is that the British and Commonwealth forces were almost unique in the emphasis they placed on *willingness* to close and engage with bayonet. Aside from the Japanese, no other military of the 19th or, for the most part, 20th Centuries held the same tactical attitude.
There's been some fascinating statistical study done on this aspect of warfare. When the British were *able* to close in reasonable order and attack with bayonet they won over 98% of the time. Other nations of comparable tech simply wouldn't sit about and take such an attack. They would, for the most part, withdraw at the point such an attack became possible. Quite simply, as weapons developed and lethality and ranges increased, in almost every country the military grew less and less likely to willingly *close* & engage in hand to hand combat. They'd fight if caught, but if they had the option they would decline.
The French were also obsessed with the bayonet and all 'armes blanch', lances, swords etc during the same time frame.
Not sure where you are getting your info from....
I like the Frazier clan lament in the background ...
Fraser, not Frazier.
Fraser.
Memory playing tricks: let's stick to Lord Lovat lament then.
Another Masterpiece ! when I in the army cadets age 14 we drilled to carry our enfield Num 1 mark 4's the same as you carry your lee metford?
Not really correct, but I understand that was done...
Hi, I have a late 1800’s/early 1900’s bayonet trainer in my rifle club at bisley. I was wondering if you could take a look at a photo and properly date it for me?
I can try...
Nice job. Any chance of a WWI era Bayonet Exercise in future?
Eventually, yes.
After watching LifeofBoris cut potato’s with a bayonet for 1 hour and then watching this, I feel much more educated in the uses of a bayonet
Excellent!
I assure you. Bayonets by numbers was still prevalent in 1982.
Sure, it has to be taught somehow... :-)
Did the No. 4 have a similar drill for bayonet?
Similar in that the bayonet was thrust into things, yes,.. We'll eventually cover those as well. Cheers.
We welcome the potato(es) back to the channel.
Cheers!
Interesting, I saw other Bayonet techniques that were used for the SMLE and No.4 Rifles and they were quite Different when compared, The 1937 and 1942 Bayonet Exercises shows big differences on Holding the Rifle and the Thrust.
Yes, indeed. The drills and techniques did change to a degree in the 20th century...
@@britishmuzzleloaders, Is there any chance for them to be Uncovered with your channel?
@@admiralrover74 In time, yes.
I love how he speaks in an Irish accent at the beginning XD
I love how you heard an Irish accent.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Sounded a bit more south-west Scottish or Irish to me.. But your Canadian, so that could also be part of it..
Did you lose your kilt pin, I remember you having one before.
I think you'll find it where it always is...
@@britishmuzzleloaders while we´re at it sarge, do you wear your Kilt in traditional scottish fashion ?!
Rough day doing nothing...time for bed....nope...time for pre WW1 rifle education.
Hopefully it was of interest. :-)
@@britishmuzzleloaders All of your videos are interesting!!! You really should make a trip down here to Ohio and check out the Camp Perry matches!! I'll even buy you a beer!.
I'm wondering if any learned soul can solve a mystery for me. I have seen photos of British soldiers at Omdurman & South Africa wear their white bread-bags on their upper back between their shoulders where their valise usually fits. But how was this bread-bag kept in place? That is, what were the bread-bag straps attached to?
The haversack was carrion the back by simply stepping into the strap with the bag upside down and at the front, then lift it up under the arms, and then flop it over the head so it lies on the back...
@@britishmuzzleloaders Brilliant! So simple. Thank you.
You should just make a whole video based on your intro bits, it’d be very funny
Perhaps...
Mackenzie is back and of course he has to peel the potatoes. Will he ever learn? 😉😉😉
Second Point - I could see the rifle come flying out of the hand if the grip wasn't secure enough.
He will never, no.... :-)
My Uncle was in the black watch he had a dagger in his sock. Do you have one?
There is no Sgain Dubh here. Not worn in the Victorian Army by the men.
One wonders if Private Mackenzie ever got the point of bayonnet training from the Sargent?
the "point"..... he who puns....
@@britishmuzzleloaders guilty as charged. Enjoying the content Rob! keep it rolling but be safe for you and your family!
That intro gag had me gagging Xp
Hopefully you recovered enough to watch the rest! :-)
I like it !!!
Thank you!
Color Sergeant, march's us a bit closer if you would please. I wish to Smite the enemy with my Steel.
Indeed!
Brother bullet and sister steel...bayonet still in use today, Princess of Wales regiment charged Taliban ambush some while ago, luckily for them they had run away, a British soldier is fearsome with steel at other end, when the Adrenaline kicks in, you’re prepared to use it and do “terrible work”. Stay safe. #UBIQUE
Still relevant after all theses years..
nice
Thanks
At 5:55, whoa are those chaps? Bobbies with pickelhaube?
No, they are British soldiers in Home Service helmets. The police helmet was based upon this.
They are men of the Gloucestershire Regiment.
Is the edge sharp on that bayonet? How does it fare as a knife?
It's as sharp as you make it. Mine isn't. Pointy, but not sharp.
Do they serve French Fries?
The 3 guards - as fencers would name them sixte, carte and octave
Thanks for the context!
Thoughts on the new Canadian firearms laws?
If I commented, I would be in direct violation of my own rule of keeping politics, often a distasteful topic, off the Channel. :-)
@@britishmuzzleloaders Oh, I apologize. Didn't mean to bring up anything potentially controversial. You make exceptional content here, and I greatly enjoy the information you provide. Have a great day Sir! 👍
@@marcks-3980 Thank you! No need to apologize. I think that without actually saying my answer to your question, I did in fact answer it... :)
could you talk about the british sabre?
Try Schola Gladiotoria or The Academy of Historical Fencing, both on RUclips and amazing sources of British Military sabre.
thanks
The two recommendations have already been made... both great Channels.
The sergeant must be Belorussian to love potatoes so much (or Irish)
Haha!
Will ol´sarge ever be promoted to RSM ?
I doubt it... MacKenzie keeps dragging him down.... :-)
@@britishmuzzleloaders well then, if Mac Kenzie insists on embarrassing His Majesty, he maybe needs to see the RP !
poor private Mackenzie,always have the duty of dealing potatoes for smaller infractions.
I know!
Jankers for Mackenzie.
He knows...
In the words of lance corporal jones they don’t like it up them ( dad’s army comedy tv show )
Haha!
The clones are back!
Yes they are..
What where those undress jackets made from? They must have had to be boiled every night in lime to keep even remotely white!
The one I have is wool broad cloth, very much the tweeds of parade dress.
Kersey.
bag pipe song sound in waterLoo battle of scotland...
Yup.
Poor Private....
Sometimes...
They don`t call him Sgt."SPUD" for nothing.Cookhouse fatigues again!
I know!
He has not handed it in yet........ stoppages.
I know...
A good way to jeep sociale distancing
I know...
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Thank you!
Good luck in these trying times for firearm ownership in Canada.
Very sad.
Last time I was this early the British still had its empire
The world still had it's greatest empire*
Martin Eggman Lol no, I said the right thing. There is no such thing as a “great” empire. The British still had their empire.
@@exohead1 There Is mate, I may be bias but compared to all other empires, the British Empire was the best and most beneficial to it's former colonies.
Haha!
hey man, today I have a new 'mania' after someone told me about those repro Baker Rifles.
Truth is, always on paper I prefer originals but for the chance to quickly play with that gorgeous rifle sooner,
www.veteranarms.com/ReproductionMuzzleloadersandFlintlocks/Baker-Rifle.html
is this a good idea?
It is not a "rifle" as it says in the description.... Like the remainder of the made-in-India reproductions, they are smoothbores as they are made for the re-enactor market who don't shoot live ammunition (typically). So if you are interested in shooting it in an historical way, it will not give you that experience.... If you are just interested in the look and feel, then that example is no different to others on the market, I would say...