The India Pattern Brown Bess: An Introduction
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Thank you kindly.
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DAMN WELL DONE !!
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Just when you thought you'd watched everything on RUclips you come across a gold mine of interesting stuff :)
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This is an absolutely outstanding video my friend. been a fan for years, keep it up! there are alot of us frontstuffer and military history guys out there
Thank you! Great to hear from you!
that bit of comedy at the beginning...you've got my sub
Thank you kindly!
I’m so glad i discovered this channel, Thanks so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge. You are by far the best person making videos on the internet, Bravo!!
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Sir, you make some awesome video's ! A Brown Bess is still on my list. Some day, one thing at a time :) I'll review the video when the time comes :) Thanks !
Cheers!
Which of the Brown Bess replicas would you recommend? I'm a shooting enthusiast with quite a few modern firearms, but I want to get into muzzleloaders, and the Brown Bess is my favorite. This channel is incredibly awesome.
Pedersoli is the only "Western" Company that makes a Bess currently... there are many "made in India" examples also... Loyalist Arms, for example, offers these...
love the new content sir keep it up
Thank you!
Turns out one of my family members fought in the battle of assyne in 1803 for the Highlanders
Cool!
from what I read Arthur Wellesey(1st Duke of Wellington) had something to do with delaying the military from getting better weapons (aka percussion rifles) could you update me on this?
To a degree. He had it that nothing really needed to change from his Penninsular Army. Obviously things did re the adoption of the percussion musket but yes, he was infamous for his reactionary attitudes.
@@britishmuzzleloaders thanks
I imagine McKenzie had to do lots of potato peeling after the intro lecture 🤣
It's his MOS 😉
Hahah!
Peyote peeling is his special duty !
Only a well known expert potato peeler would have the rare skill of peeling them so quickly and in great number!
@@mpetersen6 He is a Chosen Man of the Mess for his expertise in preparing Potatos
I have literally seen no one on RUclips reply to this many comments before, it's clear this dude actually cares about his community.
The Channel is beset by a pretty decent bunch, that's for sure! Lot's of great input!
I commented on a video that was 2 or 3 years old and he still replied.
Lmao I thought why tf is he showing a picture of a rooster and laughed like a mad man after realizing
Glad you got it!
Me too.
Oh Rob, you never disappoint.
A great introduction to this iconic weapon, can't wait for future instalments.
Thanks Trevor!
1:14 I love the report of the Bess, so much power and punch in that shot! I can only imagine a regiment of them firing at once, wonderful sound of a historic piece. Also awesome when you hear the flint strike.
Of real authority for sure!
I've always wished a single side of a reenactment would take place where we could see an accurate number of men and cannon firing full power and shotted muskets.
I have a feeling the sound of a true battle would have a much greater effect than part charged blanks.
Obviously the focus is one showing the proximity of men across the field and safety regulations for a range are very strict so it's unlikely a reenactment group of sufficient size and professionalism will ever gather on a live range and try it.
And there are also too few replica cannon being fired with shot and full powder at events too.
The logistics of making it happen would make an event like this rare and difficult but I really do think it would be fascinating to see a full power and drama reenactment under strict circumstances.
Having two sides and the long story of battles is also very interesting so hopefully this doesn't get taken as a suggestion for replacement, just addition.
Perfect introduction lmao
Thank you!
Well Done! Reminds me of my Grade School Days when we got "A talking too" before a film. You just keep getting better. "Carry On!"
Carrying On!
We are all going to be peeling an awful of potatoes because of this video.
Ahahaha!
Rob, it's great to see you are still making outstanding videos from the muzzleloading era after your evolutions to the Lee Enfield and Martini-Henry series. Thank you!
Still plugging along!
Nice been waiting for the Brown Bess to make an appearence on this here channel;)
Hopefully it was an OK introduction.
Couldn't have learned more about the firearm even with time travel.
Very kind.
OMG, that intro had me giggling..... :)
Glad to hear !
"Coincidentally, my liege, that's how we know the lock plate to be banana-shaped..."
Haha!
This has to be the best channel on RUclips
Very kind. Spread the word!
How can this video have so few views ?!?
Hello forgotten weapons crowd, this is the chanell you need sub also !!!
That is very kind.... Spread the word if you feel so inclined! Cheers.
Forgotton Weapons crowd here; just arrived recently, and what a gem of a channel :)
0.78 converts to 19.81 mm or 20 mm - that's a massive round 💥That's an impressive presentation you've made. Well done!
The round was .69 or so...
These muskets could fire a 0.745" projectile (or so), but in combat, they used 0.69". When you want to shoot a lot of lead down range, a smaller projectile is better because of all the powder residue that builds up inside the barrel after firing a few rounds.
I made it to "Have... a ring" before laughing.
Mighty stoic you were until then!
The wedding ring.bess style.
Props for the Python reference. The rest of the video was also excellent!
Cheers Simon!
I’ve been wondering when, or if, you were going to get to the Brown Bess. I’m looking forward to this video and hopefully series on the Brown Bess.
Indeed, work on the next video has already started.
Me and my Brown Bess had a very intimate time together in bed while watching this video......
Don’t roll over in your sleep!
I'm fed up with praising your presentations Rob. Just take it as read!
OK. Taken.
Did we forget our sporran? (or am I about to learn something?)
Sporrans were not worn on campaign.
Thanks for this Rob! The opening killed me:) That is a beautiful Bess.
Thank you kindly! I was lucky with that one.
Always love hearing the Blaydon Races playing over your videos.
Cheers!
I'm a military modeller and this channel should come in very handy as a reference guide. I also have a RUclips channel dedicated to military modelling. Great video sir!
Nice work there!
Happy new year everybody:)
And to you!
Ah finally, the Brown Bess! I've always been confused about the differences between the major patterns, but this video has cleared that up
Glad it helped!
How to combine historical weapons with a good sense of humour 😂👍
Very informative and...
Buhahaaahaaa🤣👍
You crack me up sir, thank you👏👏
Haha! Glad you enjoyed it!
Superb video sir, also, the sound of that first shot.... what an intro!
Cheers!
Yes! That got my attention also. Well done.
Gotta love Rob's sense of humor. When I started watching C&Rsenal it took a few episodes to get used to Othias saying "cocking piece".
Cheers!
I love the his gun
It's got a certain quality to it, for sure.
Indeed, that’s all we need to say: it is a brilliant gun for its time
I'd love to see some videos on even earlier firearms, though with their general lack of standardisation I suppose it would be difficult to trace their origins and developments. Brilliant video too, by the way.
There is a video on matchlocks and one on the Kammerlader (not older of course, but different) in the Misc Playlist, if you are interested.
I think the Bess was the first firearm globally ever built to a standard pattern instead of a bespoke production for a specific regimental contract.
There could be earlier examples
Given the lack of sights and undersized ball I consider that accuracy more than sufficient. Still 'minute of Frenchman'.
I can shoot better than I did that day, for sure.... :-)....
I enjoyed this far more than I thought I would as it's a little outside my area of interest. It was interesting and highly informative and with lighter moments. Thanks Rob.
Most welcome!
The only part that made me want to laugh in this was the Sergeant Major... That was the only bit.
At least you weren't laughing at the serious bits then. :-)
Thank you young man,another excellent presentation,I see your company is living on good rations,
What?
Now i am going to have to build an Indian Pattern Brown Bess. I got to stop watching your videos your are costing me a fortune buying guns I see lol. Great video thanks.
Haha! Have a great build! From TRS?
You consistently outdo yourself, sir. Carry on.
Thank you!
The mountain background is so beautiful. What general area are you located? Looks so nice.
Western Canada. Cheers.
What a News Year’s gift to us! Bravo mate, well done. I really enjoy all your content, but this one was next level...
Glad to hear! Thanks.
I finally made it back to this channel after a while, it's great to see you keep up your great content. Best wishes (:
Thank you and welcome back!
Hi do you know why some Scottish regiments had the the Brim on their feather bonnets while others didn't I can't seem to find thing on it
The peak was a campaign addition... typically it was a separate piece, simply tied around the outside with tapes...
@@britishmuzzleloaders ok thank you for that that's actually really helpful because I've been wondering about it for a while but I can't find anything on p.s I'm pretty sure you're Canadian but I'm not 100% sure could you confirm or deny these accusations Lol and where you ever in the military and what made you do interest in Highland uniforms specifically and why not say just the infantry or dragoons lol I don't know I would be very interested int it as for myself i just like the look of them in their kilts it something different and unique and cool looking and I've got Scottish heritage so that might be
@@thebullfrog9416 I'm Canadian.
Yet another excellent, informative and interesting video. Happy New Year to you sir.
Thank you! And to you!
Dream come true, bought mine from pedersoli some 5 years ago, been waiting for this ever since! Just watched all your vids, have 2 smles and a no4mk2.
All of them?... Aren't you bored stiff by now?.... :-)
Just the smle and no4 vids
3:15 huzzah to the highland emigrants
Huzza.
Finally the musket !!! I love it!! Thank you so much for this video.
You are most welcome!
Finally the good ole bess!
Yup!
Oh, my! That's some good stuff, right here.
What a gorgeous musket!
Rob, two questions:
How long did a good flint last? Did they carry a spare?
What was the common round count carried by each soldier?
Thanks! A good flint will last dozens of rounds in my experience. Yes, they did carry extras in the bottom of their pouches. You never know when your flint will shatter or be of lesser quality... Rounds per man?.... 60.
That (flint life) is something I never considered. Thanks!
Great video as always! Can't wait for more. I have a 2nd Model Brown Bess, Black powder all the way!
Cheers!
Enjoy your videos thoroughly, well done sir!
Thank you!
Your a credit to the history of arms of the empire
Thank you. Very kind.
You know, if you hadn't had that skit saying "STOP GIGGLING AT THE WORD COCK", I wouldn't have laughed at all watching it, the skit was funnier than any lewd joke!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Magnificent Sir! You truly set the standard! A happy New Year to you and yours. Behhhhh....
Thanks Neil!
"A wall of stout hearts and bristling steel".
Those words from that historical account are perhaps the most awesome thing I have ever heard.
I'm not even British (American here) but it makes me want to pick up a beer and make a toast to those guys.
Haha! Toast away!
A sound tribute to the old boys back in the day who had bigger balls and suffered more hardships than we can ever understand British or French , perhaps one day someone will make a movie to do justice to the great battles of that age .
Long before the conveniences of modern life for sure!
@@britishmuzzleloaders read Jackets of Green by arthur bryant its the history of the rifle brigade from founding to WW2 one of the finest military books ever written IMO .
When i was younger i bought from a kilt maker a military weight 9 yard Stewart Hunting kilt made for a member of the Royal Scots. Hand sewn, highest quality it is a beauty to behold. I got it cheap because of a small mistake in the position of a leather strap. It was very large on me but it held up on the tightest buckle and a good belt. I wore it when I got married almost 10 years ago. I had a very official function to attend recently, dug it out and tried it on. Couldn't even get the first hole on the top buckle. Needless to say i was quite upset.
That would have been the 9th Bn, The Royal Scots... a territorial battalion. The only kilted battalion in a Lowland Regiment wearing trews.
Thank you for this video, it was very informative and the few bits of humour sprinkled here and there were appreciated. It's great to have such exhaustive video on such historically important weapon.
Thank you!
Wow you explained it so good , I was checking Napoleonic wars while ago. Also there are so many musket tools in google search lol definitely worth to check out. I guess history weapons are more iconic way to look out for learning, sure gives insight look how these wars are devastating to bear in those era. thanks :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fascinating history lesson, thank you good sir. You have gained a new subscriber !
I wonder however, how did the troops clean the rifles? As a layman (when it comes to firearms) I would assume that there is a lot of crud in the barrel from the black gunpowder used, or did it not have any effect on the muskets? I ask this because modern gun are easy to take apart and clean.
(and yes I did laugh at the cock joke, I may be an older fella at 48 but I will laugh at fart jokes and such)
Thanks for the subby! Muskets were cleaned with water, and tow (flax fibres),.. then oil...
Hoorah, a joke about my regiment..... God bless you Rob. Although, you need to remember that Winston Churchill called us the finest regiment in the British Army!
BTW I'm sitting here wetting myself as you prolonged the gag.
Haha! Glad you enjoyed it!
As usual, a simply brilliant , informative vide! I do not have an original Brown Bess, but I do have a Pedersoli replica of one.
I was astounded that they used 165 - 178 grains of powder. I shot a 55 gallon steel drum that was full of ash from 25 yards. I hid behind a tree when I shot it fearing the ball would bounce back.
I was shooting prb , .735 ball over 80 grains of 2 f Goes black powder.The ball penetrated the side of the barrel, sent a plume of ash upward, and punched out the other side.
About 6 feet behind the barrel, the ball nicked a tree, cutting a 1/2 inch rip in the truck about 2 inches above the soil. At that point I have no idea where the ball went.
That was 80 grains - I can't imagine the service load! Very best regards, JA
Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it! The amounts of powder used may have been due in part to the quality of it in the early 1800s
Well...I know what I'm watching tonight with my New Year's pizza!
HNY!
You are a remarkable person. Thank you very much for the great content!
Liked and subscribed :)
No remarkable, just interested in the history. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the subby.
Sir, you just cured my terminal depression, thank you!
Very kind.
So here's a quick question, was there a procedure if the flintlock didnt discharge during battle or training or something I know hunting with Flintlock sometimes they don't go off
I have not come across a stoppage drill per se... that said, remedying a poor spark would have been known to all...
If the musket didn't fire, upon the order to prime and load, each man was equipped with a "whisk and pick" - a brass chain with a wire brush on one end and a pinprick for the touchhole on the other. It was usually hooked on a button on the coatee at the chest, and dangled over the crossbelt. If there was a flash in the pan but no bang, he knew the flint was sparking, so it could be due to a fouled touch hole... in this case the pick was used to punch through any gunk and open up the vent. A new cartridge would have to be pulled from the cartouche, bit open and just the new priming charge applied to the pan. This would be carried out while fellow soldiers went through their "prime and load" movements, and the musket returned to the shoulder for the next "make ready". If there was NO flash in the pan, the soldier first used the brush part to remove any gunk from the frizzen (especially common in humid environments), and if he still had priming powder in the pan, closed the pan and tried again upon order to fire. NCO's would be watching down the line and each sergeant carried a musket tool, a handy three-pronged device, one of the tips had a little hammer that could be used to nap the flint if it wasn't sparking or hitting the frizzen at a desired angle. Another option would be to use the tool to readjust and tighten the screw for the jaws that held the flint onto the cock. But these adjustments took time and most likely, the soldier would just re-attempt to fire each time the command was given, hoping for a lucky spark, until the action was over. If there was no luck getting the musket to fire, and the load was jammed in the breach, during cleaning there was a tool called a worm which is just a corkscrew that attaches to the rear of the ramrod (which was threaded to accept it). This would usually clear the barrel.
@@klamar123 Thanks for the description. Yes, as a procedure, indeed.... but I have not seen it written down per se, as a drill... this was the point of my comment.
I lost hard at his “no giggling” lecture. Fucking brilliant
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have gained a new found respect for this weapon due to your videos.
Have seen off and on content or collab with b.o.t.r. and must say love content. Military amrs History and info in such depth is great and the humor is spot on as well. Subscribed and catch n up on all videos, and love the engagement with fans/ comments and genuine great content and just as genuine/ great creator. Looking to get into b.p. arms for some time now thanks to you and cap and ball. Keep up great work.
Thank you for the subby and I hope there is lot's more of interest here! Cheers.
Hip Hip Huzza to King George!
Also, yes. I got the Cock O' the North, 92nd Gordon Highlanders part and that regiment is my favourite highland regiment. "Does Wellington have nothing to offer me but these Amazons?"
Good man!
Loved the introduction before the introduction, just wished the video took a minute or so talking about the Sea Service Pattern with a picture. Maybe another video in the future about it. 😉😉
Yes, I drew the line at "Land Pattern" muskets. If I ever get my hands on a Sea Service example, then a nice "comparison" video will come out of it. Cheers.
Excellent content as always good sir! I've shot a Bess a few times, and and was always impressed to see it's robustness, for such a graceful (although not perhaps as elegant as her French dancing partner...) weapon. And let's be honest, 17 inches of Sheffield steel is always a bonus...
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.. The French take on muskets seems to be rather organic in shape. I prefer uprightness and straight lines, personally... :-) Nevertheless, thank you for the kind words!
You have no idea how long I’ve been waiting for this video
Hopefully it has sufficed for now.
Cann you make german subtitle
No I cannot. YT will though.
Thank you for another fantastic video, Rob.
The slow motion shots were superb.
How many takes did the introduction take? :D
They always take waaaay too many takes...
Another well done video, Thank you so much.
You are most welcome!
Happy New Year Everyone! Hope for many more brilliant videos ,next year!
Working on it!
Happy new year Rob!! Always love your videos
Cheers!
Having a smoothbore was anything else shot out of that like buckshot or pellets of some sort I would think you could for close distance I'm sure that would work but need to hear it from the pros🕶"
Ammunition was of the type used in the video. Roundball paper cartridge of .69 calibre. Cheers.
Fantastic work! Been loving your series for quite a while and I'm especially jazzed to see you dive into this period again, with the Bess (along with the Baker). You've nailed this uniform/kit right off the bat; as a member of a group recreating the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders at New Orleans, I know how arduous (and expensive) a task it can be. Loved your clarification between the "New Land Pattern" vs "India Pattern," both of which some people confusingly refer to as "third model Bess." BTW: At 21:00 you say this step is "Recover," which would be correct for some modern drill (minus cocking the piece), but here the command for this step should be "Make Ready".... Is the position technically called "recover"...? because I've seen that term referred to the lowering of the musket after firing to cycle back to "prime and load" as opposed to the default "shoulder." Would love to know which is the correct term. Really looking fwd to the rest of this series!
Hi there. The Recover is the position, the "Make Ready" is the evolution (and word of command). The position of the Recover is specifically mentioned in the Manual.. (1807) The first line of the first article of the Platoon Exercise, in fact. As this is not a specific demonstration of the Platoon Exercise, as mentioned in the video, the appropriate words of command for the individual parts of the evolution are not used, but rather a general demonstration is given. There will be a video specifically on the Platoon Exercise and modes of firing in the future. Cheers!
WOW, that first shot. What a sound.
Good acoustics that day!
Great introduction to a weapon that definitely forged history.
And, your regimental coate looks awesome; I have a French shako made by Peter Twist years ago
Cheers! Good quality from Peter!
Great Video, as always! Perfectly investigated information and background knowledge!
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
Honestly one of the best parts of these videos is the gorgeous scenery in the background. Of course all aspects of the video are perfectly splendid. Good luck with your channel.
Thank you!
Brilliant video, thanks for making it. My dad has a Brown Bess on his wall, im gonna pay it some close attention.
Good! Find out what pattern it is.
If you’re wondering, the uniform he is wearing is the 78th Regiment of Foot “the Ross-shire Buffs” which was stationed in India during the Napoleonic Wars.
If you're wondering, there is an historical note that explains all that, and the 2nd Bns service in the Low Countries during the 100 Days Campaign, at the end of the video... 😀
Fantastic.....and NO adverts too, thanks for the upload 😎....my new favourite channel.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
Brilliant .....love the opening!
Cheers!
You haven't lived until you've shot a Brown Bess. You can get all the modern guns you like, there's nothing like a Brown Bess.
And I have..... :-)
Your videos are amazing sir
Thank you!
Update : TY on a great job, but wasn't the bayonet lug ALSO the front sight ? I have 50% on either way ?
To be pedantic, it could be said that if there is a front sight, there should also be a back sight.... 😀.. That said, there are some references that speak to it as such... In the "official" Infantry Manuals of the era, reference is made to "looking along the barrel"... or "looking along the barrel from breech pin to muzzle"