Placido Domingo - La Traviata: Di Provenza il mar, il suol (Valencia 21.02.17)
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2017
- Placido Domingo
La Traviata. "Di Provenza il mar, il suol"
Palau de les Arts Reina Sofia, Valencia, 21.02.2017
Alfredo Germont - Arturo Chacon Cruz 
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Wow..Thank you!
Why is everyone here debating whether he's a baritone or not? Yes, he's outta his vocal prime, Yes, he's not a baritone. But it doesn't really bother me considering that he's almost 80 years old, he's still a good actor and he's vocal technique isn't bad at all
WOW, this baritone takes his high notes absolutely effortlessly - he almost sounds like a tenor 🤣
He's was a dramatic-spinto tenor as he was younger, just remember he took part to the Three Tenors tour with Luciano Pavarotti and Jose Carreras
He is a lyric tenor.
@@esterbruno8604 spinto (universal)
@@bonifass29011962 Maybe. But i think he is more a lyric.
@@esterbruno8604 Rather, yes, but all parties are subject to him. For example, one of the most difficult for a dramatic tenor is Othello. ruclips.net/video/zIVFSW25h1o/видео.html
He was beautifil here. Very, very rare type of voice. Greatest maestro of all times.
Non sono mai stato un sostenitore del Domingo baritono. Ricordo bene quel Rigoletto in mondovisione che ha lasciato quasi tutti (sicuramente gli addetti ai lavori) alquanto perplessi sulla resa della sua voce in questo registro. Devo però ammettere, che col tempo questo grande artista ha ben preso le misure con il compito che un ex-tenore (bari-tenore) deve assolvere per poter cantare nella tessitura del vero baritono e in questa esecuzione egli mi è sembrato impeccabile. "Di Provenza..." è un'aria molto difficile, sia vocalmente che per le intenzioni interpretative messe in gioco e Domingo, con precisa intonazione, l'ha risolta in modo superlativo, dando a ogni frase, a ogni movimento del corpo e del volto il giusto peso espressivo. Infine, non dimentichiamoci che questo artista (secondo quanto riportato nel libro di Lauri-Volpi "Voci parallele") è nato nel 1934. In questo video egli si presenta e canta con freschezza e sincerità, dunque, alla bella età di 82/83 anni. Grazie per aver postato questo bel video.
Placido est né le 21janvier 1941et non 1934 comme c'est écrit dans le guide de l'opéra.
è grande come tenore,l'adoro,il vecchio genitore non ha la voce di tenore,peccato,perché vogliono strafare? deve lasciarci con il bellissimo ricordo di un grande tenore.dalla voce bellissima ,di bellissimo aspetto,grande artista.grande musicalità,e, ...chi più ne ha, più ne metta..a ognuno il suo...
Che vuoi farci, se lui è non vecchio genitore. )
È un divertimento che si è voluto concedere… a mio avviso è solo questo… un divertissement 🤷♀️
Magari era un piccolo sogno nel cassetto interpretare Giorgio Germont…
A couple of notes: Domingo's official birthdate is January 21, 1941: he would have been 76 at the date of this performance, not 74. Interesting that when Domingo was a tenor, he was often criticized for sounding like a baritone, and now that he is singing baritone rep (though he has never claimed to be a baritone), he is criticized for sounding like a tenor. I would suggest that the complaints stem from the same source: he sounds uniquely like himself, and since he is is associated with tenor repertoire, he sounds to most people like not like a generic tenor but like Placido Domingo, whom they know to have been a tenor. The cello reference is interesting, since he stated during his tenor days that the timbre of a cello was something he strived for. Apart from Hvorostovsky, who is not around anymore, who are the current baritones that the anti-Domingo faction would consider to be preferable in this role? As for the cabaletta, it is hardly a novelty. You are, of course, free to like it or not as you please, but it was Verdi who put it there, not Domingo.
Good words!
I totally agree Louise and remember the term bari-tenor used several decades ago by those who thought that Domingo should sing as a baritone. Where are their supporting voices now? Like all true divos Domingo's sound is unique. I also want to point out that at 76 he does not have much if any of a sign that signals the last phase of many voices - the dreaded wobble.
Have ever thought that we go to the Opera theatre first of all to listen Verdi and not simply this or that guy?
Ok, we all know Domingo will never be a Verdi Baritone. He does not have the warmth, roundness, and open throat to really sell it as a baritone. The fact that he is singing baritone roles does not equate to him doing a good job, specially with a nasal and compressed sound. The reason why he has taken these roles is to sell tickets for the house, not because he has an amazing baritone. I will quote Domingo " I want to sing baritone because it is a fancy of mine..." (Metropolitan opera 2015) I have listen to tenors sing this aria as a warm up and sound like a baritone martin. Domingo sounds like a Tenor because of his approach to the passaggio secondo, which after decades of doing it as a tenor will not easily revert into a baritone approach. There are many baritones that can do an amazing job at singing Germont: Quinn Kelsey, Kim Jinchoo and there are many more, yet they are not in the spot light. Domingo needs to let it go and keep some of his dignity as one of the greatest tenors ever.
I am sorry, but infact Domingo is born on 19.01.1934, his wife Martha is born in 1935...I possess an exact Document of his true birthday, which makes Domingos work even more extraordinary, even I don’t really agree with his baritone singing without any vocal substance in the middle and low range... But who cares: he is Placido Domingo 👌
7/13/18
Yes, but he can hold the role as a Light Baritone and majority of people especially the Domingo fan base enjoy it so much. You got to realize that No one or even a single Tenor have ever attempted it in Opera stage and SOLD OUT the tickets. This is a History in the making. Yes, he doesn't have the depth of Dmitri H. or Leo Nucci but Dmitri nor Leo could not even attempt a "La Dona e Mobile" in the bathroom;. So much as in a BIG stage...I mean in the greatest Opera House in the World - The Metropolitan Opera in NY and had an outstanding acceptance from the majority of the audience and I am one of them. Yes, I saw it live at the Met and the atmosphere was incredible; a once in a life time experience. Didn't you know that Domingo is voted as the 3rd GREATEST OPERA SINGER IN THE WORLD? Yes !! he is and he is only one scale behind Pavarotti (No. 2) and Maria Callas being the No.1. So don't be so purist, enjoy a little twist in the opera world. Thank you for reading me/listening.
Leo Nucci in his younger years could well sing "La donna e' mobile", with a long B natural at the end too (and maybe he still can, in his bathroom): in Italy he always had to defend himself from haters who would say that his voice is more on the tenor side, which I don't believe. But think of this: if Leo Nucci is under scrutiny from the so called experts, can you imagine how much NOT a baritone the great Placido sounds? For trained ears this attempt is almost a joke (the cabaletta is even embarrassing). But then who cares? He is the great Domingo whatever he does, and he is not diminished by me or others telling the truth about his baritone attempts. His voice has made him one of the greatest tenors of all times. Some great tenors could really sing as great baritones later in their careers (Vinay for example). And some did the reverse (Melchior, Bergonzi, etc.). Not Placido, though.
Domingo actually started out as a lyric baritone in Mexico. For me the voice is too light for this particular role. in terms of timbre he sounds more like a Figaro (Rossini) or perhaps a Silvio (Pagliacci). Physically however he is too old for those roles. Is this "bad?" No. If I have a high baritone this good as my Germont I could make it work in a larger regional house. It just isn't "world class" baritone singing. It sells tickets because the name is Domingo. But I cannot help but wonder if it would sell as many, if not more tickets, were he to conduct the opera instead. Domingo is not a monumental conductor but he is solid, which is all that is needed for Traviata. This work, as the other middle Verdi works , is about the choice of singers, not the conductor. A good, sensitive musician with a clear baton can conduct this work well. Domingo does fall into that category. He should step onto the podium and let a real baritone sing the role.
This role is for a VERDI BARITONE
Nuel Urgino - That is the best comment I ever heard about any opera singer. Your ranking of singers is mine, except that I would place Caruso first, then a tie between Pavarotti and Callas tied for second and Placido third. Thank you for your very thoughtful and learned contribution.
Mario Del Monaco sang baritone arias on the stage in concerts.
Transitioned or not, his voice sounds so healthy and doesn't have a lot of excessive tremillo for someone at 74. It basically sounds like his old voice but I assume he's lost a bit off the top.
thought he was 76
He does not sound bariton. He never did. Think of the case of a violin and a cello to compare, even if playing the same notes the great diference is in other aspects of the sound: color, texture, depth, thickness, darknes, roundness, etc. Still it is a healthy voice, but above all a great singer and performer. What a man!
@@LUCASDBD This is SO not true...
Everybody even the greatest Tenor loses their top notes as they get older including me. I can no longer hit F at 97 years old. That is True.
Domingo was born on 19.01.1934 in Madrid, his wife Marta was born in 1935, they got married in 1962...So Domingo is even older, he is now 87 ☝️
Magnifique Maestro! Merci per sempre
Wow I remember Mr. Domingo singing Alfredo Mr. Domingo started as a baritone.
Кто бы чтобы не говорил, но Маэстро Доминго заслуживает уважения. В столь пожилом возрасте петь, дирижировать, все еще работать - это дорогого стоит. Спасибо за вклад в искусство!
А кто-то что-то говорит против Маэстро? Я не слышал...
Лео Нуччи лучше.
Лучше уж не петь и не дирижировать совсем, петь петь и дирижировать так... Нет ничего унизительнее для артиста, чем слышать: "Ух ты! Он может ещё ходить!"
Placido,siempre inmenso.
abcnowcontrol - I agree with you. I just don't see at all what the complainer class is complaining about. He performed the role just beautifully both with his voice and in his acting. Then fault Caruso for sounding like a baritone in his middle register or Kauffman for doing the same thing. Domino's performance was perfect. And the audience always love him regardless of whether the complainers call him a tenor or a baritond.
Maravilloso por siempre Placido Domingo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My favorite Verdi aria.
Signor Domingo, non basta allargare i centri per diventare baritono.
Esattissimo!!!!
Se Del Monaco avesse fatto questo lo avrebbero ucciso.
Invece lui...
@@zs1968 “avesse”in vece di “avrebbe”… per favore…. Visto che si osa disquisire sulle esagerate ambizioni di un Maestro davvero Immenso, almeno si tenti di mantenere una sintassi esatta….. poi sul merito della critica preferisco non esprimermi in un commentino di poche parole perché semplicemente non avrebbe alcun senso…. Si necessiterebbe di un confronto di ore … e comunque penso in tal caso che non si addiverrebbe ad una conclusione intellettualmente e artisticamente interessante… comunque sia almeno la grammatica.. per favore
@@mancinialessia Gentile Signora
Per quanto riguarda la sintassi La informo che essendo di formazione non Italiana, faccio per il meglio. Possiamo comunque proseguire in Francese, Inglese o Spagnolo se desidera.
Per quanto riguarda la Sua risposta, Le dirò soltanto che ognuno ha il diritto della propria opinione.
Ovviamente paragonare l Otello della storia con un Otellino scassato non ha nessun senso....
Quindi l arroganza di questa Sua risposta ritorna al mittente.
Buona giornata.
@@zs1968 quando scriverà in altra lingua faccia altrettanta attenzione alla sintassi … per quanto riguarda l’Otello poi… non vedo proprio perché tirarlo in ballo… ne avremmo già troppo con Giorgio Germont… ma va ben… buona giornata a lei
@@mancinialessia Si tenga per favore i Suoi "consigli" per Lei; consigli che sono poi alquanto corti come è la voce del signor Domingo.
Il suo Germont è semplicemente inesistente soprattutto se paragonato con i grandi : Ruffo, De Luca, Stracciari, Warren, Bastianini, Sereni, Bruson, etc....
Trovo tuttavia scandaloso di scritturare un vecchio tenore vocalmente scassato e che non è baritono neanche per sogno allorché ci sono dei bravi cantanti che faticano per essere scritturati.
Comunque se a Lei piace.....tanto meglio.
pese a los años su magnífica voz se ha vuelto mas oscura , pero sigue siendo tenor ,
Mauricio Toncio le falta mucho para baritono
Ahora es barítono ,igual que cuando empezó
Nunca fue tenor
Nunca fue tenor, barítono ligero con agudos estridentes.
Saw this at the Met in April. Audience went wild. He's magnificent.
- - In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king...
100% agree. He is the Greatest!!! Watch for Michael Spyres an American Tenor trained in Venna and also can handle a Baritone role magnificently just like Domingo.
He is not magnificent,he is not a baritone,but a fine tenor in his day,he should stop pretending to be a baritone,as he only sounds like a tenor trying to be a baritone
El público de Nueva York desde hace muchos años aplaude todo.
Magnificent. The Great Domingo, thank you.
He started out as a Baritone
El mas GRANDE entre los GRANDES!!!!!
Здорово!
Уточните, пожалуйста, что для вас "настоящие низы"? Конкретно, с названиями. Да и с блеклостью как-то неудобно получилось, с таким-то звоном и свежестью.
Un tenore che canta di Provenza.
Placido, sei meraviglioso
Dopo 50 anni e più di carriera ,cantare un'aria splendida come questa,in modo così scolastico non è da fuoriclasse(come egli vorrebbe far credere)....
I'm a bass. A low bass. I've sung about thirty roles on stage - all bass roles. Things like Sarastro and Osmin and Fasolt and Fafner. But there was a new little opera company that paid well that needed a baritone for a secondary part in Traviata. So I auditioned with this aria. That was the only time I ever sang a baritone aria anywhere. I was pretty good. It's s simple melody and it doesn't go too high. Fortunately the maestro stopped me after the first verse and gave me the part. I was finished. Totally gassed. It's not the single high note that kills you its the tessitura.
Domingo is two years older than I am. I was about seventy when I sang this. Proving I suppose that all men if they live long enough become baritones. Reversion to the mean?
Domingo is NOT a baritone.
@@xxsaruman82xx87
I think you mean he wasn't a very good baritone. Being a baritone is simply a function of the length of your vocal cords. It's a fixed anatomical feature. It's like the length of your nose. You can't go to some 'teacher' you heard about on the internet who will teach you how to have longer nose.
Giorgio Tozzi was a low baritone who discovered he could stretch down to be bass. Bergonzi and Domingo were high baritones who stretched up.
I have long cords so I'm a bass. Domingo had shorter cords intermediate between tenor and baritone so he was a tenor when he was young enough and strong enough to sing in the higher range. When he got older he couldn't do that anymore so he dropped down to being a baritone.
Alas he had been a wonderful tenor but he was at best a mediocre baritone. I never could listen to him singing in that range. The tragedy was the young talented baritones who might have sung those performances didn't get heard.
@@Agorante Exactly. You said it. It's a fixed anatomical structure. Domingo is a tenor, not a baritone.
Patrick Boyle - Reversion to the mean? Spoken like a statistician!
@@shirleyrombough8173 I think he's wrong, but he's saying that the baritone voice is the most common among men.
Le Meilleur ! Domingo est Exceptionnel -
I like the (younger) tenor, he sounds good.....
Beautiful. What happened to the camera man though? No one has any feet
존경스럽습니다. 도밍고 님!
GRANDE ARTISTA DOMINGO GOLDEN VOCE.
74 years old, bravo Placido
Jestem wzruszony
Non voglio fare il giovane-maturo medico quale sono ma l'appassionato e devoto fan dei grandi lirici. Ascoltavo Domingo da quando a 12 anni ho trasferito su nastro lui e la stratas nella traviata di Zeffirelli data in tv. Non ho mai smesso di ascoltarlo e a 14 anni forse allora sbagliavo lo consideravo superiore a Pavarotti se non altro per essere innamorato di meco all'altar di Domingo. Ma è giusto che da anziano over 70 si cimenti da Baritono. Il faringe si modifica a quell'età. Anche la capacità delle corde vocali di tenere note alte cambia. Non si può restare tenori a vita . Se lo vogliamo ascoltare teniamocelo così.
La corda del tenore è corta quindi più acuta e chiara, mentre il baritono ha la corda più lunga il registro più basso e la voce molto scura e potente nei centri, la voce non può cambiare di registro nel tempo ma semplicemente invecchia .
absolut genial, das kann keiner besser singen als Domingo
I think he is still tenor
He started as a baritone.
Who cares..he's still great and a commanding presence on stage!
stfu
Mr. Domingo has been, is and always be the king of the opera.
@@annwolken5793 he started as a singer who didn't have the hi range, and worked in the baritone repertoir because que could reach the low notes, but he has allways had the tenor color. He will die being a tenor, but moast of all a hard worker, a great singer and performer.
moi je dis bravo Placido ; magnifique voix
Nuostabiai dainuojate ir
Alfreda ir
Zermona,neitiketina bravo!
un genio GRANDE ENORME GIGANTE, GRACIAS PLACIDO. 74 años y cantas asi GENIO
As a dramatic tenor, and one with the greatest mastery of his art's factors, Domingo successfully manages to remain magnificent, now in the baritone repertory.
He makes up for, with great tonal quality, the "dramatic baritone timbre" usually expected in such roles.
However, had he been a "lyric" or "spinto" tenor, his successful transition to baritone rep would have been far less likely.
Domingo is actually a lyric tenor. Big voiced, but still a lyric.
@@xxsaruman82xx87 He was always a spinto drammatico.
@@sananton2821 Nope, he wasn’t. Does his voice have the size or weight of Caruso, Corelli, Martinelli, Del Monaco, Penno, etc.?
어우 ㅠㅠㅠ 클라스는 영원하다……..
Maravillosa voz.
Gracias!!!!
Never was a baritone, never will be. He still a tenor, with weaker voice due to age. Still impressive how healthy his voice is at that age.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Domingo... Tu sei un tenore, CANTA RUOLI PER TENORE!
Alla sua età? Al decadimento vocale non si sfugge, già da giovane stentava molto sugli acuti e non ci arrivava a voce piena, figuriamoci ora...
@@samuelmaso98 Hai ragione, credo non dovrebbe neanche più cantare. Ha 80 anni diamine, e si è fatto una carriera lunghissima, all'inizio era pure bravo ed è sempre stato apprezzatissimo... Che cosa vuole in più? Soldi? 🤔
@@esterbruno8604 ja mislim da nije stvar u novcima nego u ljubavi i strasti prema pjevanju 🙂
@@andifejzic6563 You mean love and passion for singing? Well, it's ok to love singing, but singing things that are too far from your repertoire, like a tenor singing baritone, ruins your voice especially at that age, and especially for a tenor that hasn't got neither a very dark voice nor good low notes.
BTW I don't question his love for Opera, but Domingo has always been a person that cares a lot for money.
@@esterbruno8604 da, sa tim se potpuno slažem, ne zvuči dobro kada tenor pjeva opere za baritona, bolje stati sa pjevanjem kad više nemožeš pjevati ono po ćemu si poznat.
Labai abu geri!
In Valencia, they always dig up one of the originally deleted arias for Domingo to sing. Not a smart choice in this case, since Domingone was clearly not comfortable with that second aria.
What????!!!
I have seen La Traviata many times and have never heard the piece of music that follows this "Di Provenza". When I was in Valencia for Macbeth a while ago, they also added an aria for Domingo that is not usually performed.
Oh, come on! Many times? And have you ever heard the cabaletta after "Di Provenza"?! I'm sorry, but what records did you listen to? You can search it here on youtube, it's called "No, non udrai rimproveri". Macbeth Domingo always sing with final aria "Mal per me", it's from first version of Macbeth, 1847. And he is absolutely right - with this aria final is more logical than only with joyful chorus.
Quite a few times and I have heard at least two of Callas' records, the Domingo-Stratas DVD, and probably a few more on RUclips. I can tell you quite frankly: I don't like this cabaletta and think it is not a good fit for Don Plácido's capabilities. As for Macbeth, I thought that the aria was a good choice, yet presenting it looked to me like an outdated stylistic option.
Domingo-Stratas DVD is a film-opera, not full opera. :) Old, old records, yes, could be without this cabaletta but I think in any studio records you can here it, fo example Domingo-Cotrubas-Milnes, 1977 (cond. Kleiber). Or in any full video in youtube. So... if you don't like it - all questions for Verdi. :)
Esperen unos pocos años y veremos a la Netrebko cantando de Mezzo. Con lo que esta haciendo con su voz, no tardara en hacerlo. que ocasos mas deplorables.
BRAVO DOMINGO.
MAESTRO, TENOR E BARITONO. GRANDE ASTRO DO CLASSICO. PARABÉNS.
Di tutta la produzione di Verdi senz'altro l'aria + toccante.
aldilà dell'aspetto vocale perchè Domingo è sempre domingo, quello che mi sconvolge è l'aspetto scenico per niente curato, Domingo è stato il primo grande attore dell'opera lirica, l'unica spiegazione che posso darmi per questo risultato è che quest'opera è stata messa su in due giorni...
personalmente affidare una parte baritonale a un tenore chiare è un oltraggio inaccettabile. L'acuto perde di tutta la carica che dovrebbe avere. pessimo per i miei gusti.
Yes, he started as a baritone, which, imho, is what gave his voice that dark beauty, depth and richness of color. I'd have preferred if he'd left as a tenor, maybe slightly after his prime. This just doesn't quite cut it for me, but when I first heard him in the 1972 Met gala honoring Sir Rudolf Bing, I looked at my father and said "Now, THAT'S what a tenor should sound like!" I was hooked, and he remained my favorite tenor from that point on. I'll pass on his baritone efforts, though.
That's Ok, the World have plenty of great Baritones people can turn to like Leo Nucci, my favorite. However this is a little twist in the Opera world. Domingo is just having Fun. Now you may be upset if he tries the light Contra Tenor as he did in The Barber in 1982 when he sang both Figaro and Almaviva
Yes I agree. He's not a particularly great baritone singer.
He has his own charm. The first opera I watched is 1976 production of Tosca and I like him immediately for good musicality, artistry and acting skills. But I will also pass on his bartione singing lol. He should have sung art songs like Carreras and Di Stefano did in the later stage of their careers. Also considering that he has such superb acting skills, he could have done some musical theatres. Those songs are typically written in a range set between tenor and bartione, which suits his voice well.
He has his own charm. The first opera I watched is 1976 production of Tosca and I like him immediately for good musicality, artistry and acting skills. But I will also pass on his bartione singing lol. He should have sung art songs like Carreras and Di Stefano did in the later stage of their careers. Also considering that he has such superb acting skills, he could have done some musical theatres. Those songs are typically written in a range set between tenor and bartione, which suits his voice well.
Mancano alcune cose:
1) il timbro del Baritono
2) la tempra del Baritono
3) la nobiltà del Baritono
4) i suoni gravi del Baritono
5) l'ampiezza degli acuti del Baritono
6) la linea di canto del Baritono
7) le emissioni del Baritono
8) I fiati del Baritono
9) la mentalità del Baritono
10) il Baritono
Ecco, risolti questi problemi, direi che ci siamo...
I punti 6 e 8 sono interessante specialmente. Forse mi racconti dettagliato?
Mi meraviglia.. Un artista del genere.... Cantare da baritono.... Ma non si sente?
Manca soprattutto la voce.
One of my favorites ever. And he still is. But not this role unfortunately.
Well, !! Certainly not a Gobbi, not a Melchior, not a Bastianini, not even a Milnes or a Warren, AND he surely lacks the obscurity of a true baríton's voice , but Domingo IS Domingo! One of the greatest of all,, AND Will always be remembered for that.
트라비아타에서 아들 역할과 아버지 역할을 둘 다 해본 가수가 더 있을까?
Lo scandalo non è che un cantante oramai alla fine della sua carriera voglia riciclarsi in qualunque modo pur di stare ancora in scena. Lo scandalo è che qualcuno glielo permetta.
Il diverso timbro sonoro dei personaggi di un'opera lirica non è un dettaglio secondario, ma è elemento fondamentale dell'espressione dei caratteri, dei sentimenti, dei ruoli. Togliere il contrasto e l'impasto fra l'inconfondibile timbro baritonale e quello del soprano e del tenore vuol dire stravolgere del tutto l'intenzione di Verdi. Dovrebbe essere una cosa semplicemente inconcepibile. E invece... giù applausi. Bah...
Parole sante.
Único!!!!!!!!!!!!
Di quella piiiiraaaaaa
Aquellos que pretenden descalificarlo diciendo que es baritono lo ensalzan porque hay muy pocos, pero Plácido es tenor dramátco. Y a éstas alturas, no tiene nada que demostrarle a nadie. Por favoooor, gente que a lo mejor no canta ni en la ducha opinando.
Unfortunately there is no Dimitri Hvoroskovsky to sing this.
His acting skills had never even approached to Domingo's level. Not mention his Italian was terrible.
Don't you mean Bastianini? Hvorostovsky's technique was bad. There is this guy, though: ruclips.net/video/dTBZWHdkmD0/видео.html
XxSaruman82xX not in my opinion.
When will old tenors see , that it is better to retire?
will old tenors see , that it is better to retire?
Domingo was one of the greatest tenors of all time but but a baritone he definitely ISN'T not for me
Я поеду его слушать в это роли на свой день рождения в следующем году! ☺
아니 저 연세쯤 되면 소리도 늙어야 정상 아닌가요?????? 어쩜 여전히 저렇게 짱짱하고 맑고…
소리만 들으면 여전히 청년같아요!!!!
Soy una fanática de Domingo, Pero............
Perro Que?
@@FigaroBravo qué esa voz no tiene cuerpo de barítono
relex voice and use chest
so many tenor technic
Ma perché? Questa mania di cantare ad ogni costo non la capiro' mai. Sei stato un grande tenore, questo dovrebbe bastarti; lasciamo ai baritoni ciò che fu scritto per loro.
l'ingordigia di correre sempre dietro al denaro e piu colpevoli chi gli permette di cantare,una volta uova,carciofi e verdure varie si sprecavano
Grande? Non esageriamo. Famoso magari, quello sí.
@@heisenberg470 he was great he is a maestro everybody who loves Opéra must respect him.
Ha sido uno de los más grandes tenores y era uno de sus fans. Pero no es de mí gusto escucharle cantar como barítono. Lo he intentado varias veces pero no me gusta. Prefiero la riqueza de la voz de un barítono de verdad.
Y no estoy quitando nada de su grandeza como tenor y todo lo hecho para los cantantes y la ópera en general.
E una cazzata che nasciamo con una certa vocalità io lo sperimentato su me stesso se studi da basso diventi basso se studi da tenore diventi tenore
Es ,verdad sobreactuan,lo de la voz a correr un tupido velo.
Leo Nucci in his younger years could well sing "La donna e' mobile", with a long B natural at the end too (and maybe he still can, in his bathroom): in Italy he always had to defend himself from haters who would say that his voice is more on the tenor side, which I don't believe. But think of this: if Leo Nucci is under scrutiny from the so called experts, can you imagine how much NOT a baritone the great Placido sounds? For trained ears this attempt is almost a joke (the cabaletta is even embarrassing). But then who cares? He is the great Domingo whatever he does, and he is not diminished by me or others telling the truth about his baritone attempts. His voice has made him one of the greatest tenors of all times. Some great tenors could really sing as great baritones later in their careers (Vinay for example). And some did the reverse (Melchior, Bergonzi, etc.). Not Placido, though.
Just because a baritone can hit a high B does not mean he should become a tenor. It's about what you are comfortable with; and good for those singers who do not cave in to suggestions to switch tessitura, either to make more money or for more noteriaty. Leo Nucci has had a long and healthy career because he is smart. Any of you remember Ramón Vinay? The baritone that became a tenor and then switched back to being a baritone again? Madness. No one wants that. In my humble opinion, Domingo by all means should continue singing, but not in fully staged operas; he should do concerts like Bocelli. He would have a huge following.
M OV Just because you don’t want that doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t want that as well! Ramon Vinay is one of the greatest Heldentenor ever lived and more importantly he still sounded badass when he switched back to Baritone roles such as Lago, Telramund, Scarpia, etc. Although during his prime he struggled a bit with Tristan, but who didn’t! I think the problem is Domingo doesn’t possess that size of a voice with the dark, baritonal timbre.
Baritenor 😢
A mi entender, que Domingo,no llegue a los agudos de tenor, como lo hacia de mas joven, no quiere decir que hoy su registro sea de barítono. SIGUE siendo un tenor que hoy canta como Barítono. Esta voz no tiene el "CUERPO" de un barítono; basta comparar co Tito Gobbi. Ni que decir compararlo con Titta Ruffo, o con Ramon Vinay !. De todos modos, por tner mucho estudio de canto y música, lo hace MUY BIEN ! ! ! .
si sente che nasce come tenore
Davide Macorano si sente che dovrebbe stare zitto
Troppo da tenore
Ma bello.
Porque siempre cuando alguien esta grabando le da tos,
Espero que te des cuenta de que no es mi tos
@@mareliel si, a veces es alguien al lado, la vaina es que sale la tos
Que lástima que Plácido Domingo que tantas cosas buenas ha hecho no haya entendido que llegó la hora de abrir el camino a nuevas generaciones, escuché una versión suya de la Barcarola y humildemente le sugiero que termine su carrera con dignidad y respeto al mundo de la opera. Que le vamos a hacer, empezó como barítono y quiere terminar como barítono o cualquier cosa
que stupida!!!
This is not baritone.This is tenor.
Stupid always give bad comment to the great one.
Он гений... Великолепен, как всегда
gotta love the first world problem overreaction in the comments.
Prima volta che di Provenza è cantanto da un tenore
Anche Melchior nel 1913 se non sbaglio.
@@eugeniogentili1048 però mi sembra di ricordare che aveva iniziato da baritono e si fermò molto tempo per cambiare registro..... Qui invece si ascolta un tenore rimasto tenore e che del baritono non ha nemmeno una nota ..... Anzi gonfia artificiosamente talmente tanto i centri da diventare noioso e inespressivo... (Senza contare che un tenore come caruso a confronto era un basso profondo!)
И всё-таки очень неплохо! Мне нравится плюс хорошая постановка и режиссура 😃🇷🇺🇷🇺
Obožavam Dominga, ali baritonske role mu baš ne odgovaraju. Čuje se tenorski prizvuk.
As expected: The voice is not what it used to be.
He has as a tenor never had the depth - and the top is gone. But as an old pro he knows how to work with the conductor. The accompaniment from Verdi - normally so unobtrusive - here carries the performance through.
That is where Verdi is so strong a composer: He knows that all singers have off-days, so let not that ruin the performance. Pavarotti was notorious for being very inconsistent.
But that is also a question of the ensemble stepping up when needed.
Sig. Domingo lascia stare fai quello che ti è più congeniale
Mastro Domingo sure knows that a bariton is not just a tenor lacking high notes. So I ask myself why he destroys his legend?
Fue un tenor gritón, sin matices ni agudos y es un barítono sin graves ni agudos ni.....ni siquiera es barítono🙉.....en Argentina diríamos asi: "le faltan 10 centavos para el peso"....yo diría que le faltan 90 centavos jajaja
¿Sin graves? Hombre, ¿qué te pasa en las orejas?
@@marelielme refiero a graves de color oscuro baritonal, por supuesto que de tenor tenía graves, era lo único que tenía...
Quién sos? La grupie n-1 del club de fans del bari tenor español??? Jajaja.....deja de defenderlo, es cuestión de gustos ; pero realmente fue un tenor sobrevalorado y otros contemporáneos fueron mucho mejores y no tuvieron tanto marketing...Bonisolli, Bergonzi, Aragal, el mismo Kraus, Carreras antes de su leucemia fue muy superior, por supuesto el gran Pavarotti...... y de barítono' bueno....ahí es más fácil porque es el peor que escuché de todos...un espanto. Verdi se debe estar revolcando en su tumba..
@@pedroaranguren6160
¿Quién eres tú? ¿Groupie n-1 del club de antifans? Has dicho correctamente: es cuestión de gustos. A mí, por ejemplo, no me gusta el timbre frío y afilado de Kraus, ni su frialdad emocional. Pero me gusta el cálido y terciopelo timbre de Domingo tenor y su expresión. En cuanto a Domingo barítono... Sí, no es barítono y nunca se ha llamado así. Pero tiene graves perfectos, y la coloración de su voz es más oscura que la de algunos barítonos "reales", por ejemplo, Hampson, Nucci, Mazurok, Gerhaer... pero nadie tiene quejas sobre ellos, porque está escrito "barítono". Y creo que Verdi le daría las gracias a Domingo por Boccanegra y Macbeth. Sí, y Germon se ha vuelto más interesante. Generalmente Germon es un papel secundario aburrido, pero Domingo lo eleva a los protagonistas.
Deja de escucharlo si no te gusta, es así de simple.
OMG, Placido please stop singing baritone roles! You were one of my favorites in the tenor roles and now you destroy all the beautiful memories.
no
80넘은 할아버지가 어캐이렇게 부르냐.. 진심 음색들으면 성대 전성기때랑 거의 비슷하네..
Désolé Mr Domingo mais vous êtes très mauvais dans le Père Germont. Vous avez oublié tous les grands baryton avec qui vous avez chanté. Il ne faut pas venir vous plaindre après quand les jeunes chanteurs font n'importe quoi si vous les vieux ne respectent rien !!!
Domingo e un baritono diventato teenore
NO, è un tenore corto che scimmiotta il baritono
Rispetto, mi piacerebbe avere la sua voce a 74 anni...il resto, sono solo chiacchiere da poltrona!
Brava!
76
Un "vecchio genitor" con la voce limpida del tenore?
Non dico che non si possa sentire, ma quasi.
Preferisci la voce vecchia e matta?
@@mareliel Io preferisco BASTIANINI. E non è una voce vecchia e matta la sua: lui è stato uno dei più grandi (se non il più grande) baritoni mai esistiti.
@@esterbruno8604 Infatti! Bastianini è stato grandissimo, senza dubbio. Purtroppo, al giorno d'oggi non possiamo ascoltarlo in teatro.
@@mareliel Beh, sì, ma Domingo non ha per nulla la voce per questo ruolo...
@@esterbruno8604 Io la penso diversamente. Secondo me, Domingo fa di Germont un protagonista a pieno titolo. Perché di solito papà viene, qualcosa dice di noioso, rovina tutto e se ne va... E rimane un passo dietro le spalle dei tenore e soprano. Ma questo Germont non già noioso. Però certo che puoi pensare diversamente, non combatteremo, vero?
Three things can be true at once: 1) Domingo sings well for an old man ; 2) His voice is not of baritone timbre; and 3) Few, if any, people would likely pay money to hear him sing as a baritone if his name wasn't PD. Singing is not just about being able to sing certain notes. For example, the bass aria "Vecchia Zimarra" from La Boheme (which incidentally I just recorded for my own channel) has been sung and recorded by some big-name tenors, up to and including Caruso. That's because it has no real low notes. But the aria sounds a bit dull when a tenor sings it, because it lies a the bottom of a tenor's range. IMHO, Domingo should have retired as the great tenor he was.
You are just Jealous of his magnificent Ability. Domingo Retired as a Great Tenor and he will retire as a capable Baritone who brought so much satisfaction to most of the majority of the Music lover people like me and the rest except a Purist like you who actually know nothing about music as an enjoyment of happiness. All you care is INTRIGUE and Jealousy. You know Satan Loves you... Very Much.
I was not too lazy to go to your channel and listen to "Vecchia zimarra". You know ... of course, that one is your channel and you have every right to upload whatever you want there, even such a sad ugly singing in an erased old voice (judging by your voice, you are 150 years old). Using your rhetoric, I advise you to retire as soon as possible and not torment the ears of your listeners.
@@mareliel Thank you for replying to my comment. I tried to be respectful in what I wrote. For example, even though I criticized Mr. Domingo for singing as a baritone, I noted that he was a "great tenor." I also wrote that he sings well for his age. I even subscribed to your channel and liked the video. If you want to be disrespectful to people who sincerely and respectfully comment on your channel, that is your right. But it is not nice. I am sure that Mr. Domingo himself would not insult someone who criticized him in good faith. I know that for a fact , because I remember how, many years ago, when another prominent tenor said something negative about him, all Mr. Domingo said in reply was that the man was a "great colleague." That is truly a classy example that we should all follow. I wish you all the best. If you would prefer that I delete my comment, just let me know, and I will do so.
@@CantorClassics I just wanted to show how incorrect and disrespectful the categorical "he must retire" looks. I think Mr. Domingo himself knows what he must to do and when he must to retire. Moreover, his voice is still healthy and in good condition.
@mareliel So why didn't you simply write in the first place why you felt I was incorrect and disrespectful , instead of personally insulting me? Even if, as you wrote, I sound like I am am 150 years old and should retire (IMHO, I don't sound a day over 125), what does that have to do with whether _Mr. Domingo_ should retire? If we were face to face, would you have insulted me that way, just because we have a disagreement over a great singer whom we both admire?
Well let’s just say he tried his best. …
And honestly it’s not that bad compared to his conte di Luna….
(Come on Placido, just sing art songs with a lower tessitura. And bro with your good acting skills, you might be a very good musical theatre performer.)
Speriamo non sia d'esempio per altri tenori
Domingo is probably the best baritone who ever sang at the end of his seventies. BUT that does not mean that his voice is still in great shape. If he didn´t have the famous name he wouldn´t be engaged. I glady pass when he performs in Berlin and the ticket prices climb endlessly.
He is NOT a baritone.
Altonahh10 baritone. If he performed where I was I would pay whatever the asking price just to hear him. He has done more for opera world wide than anyone in the late 20th or early 21st centuries. When he recovered from Covid 19 he took some other musicians on a tour to raise money for those victims of the virus who couldn't afford treatment. And at the age of 78. I'd say he has earned his name and the fees he can command for it. Bravo
Maestro Domingo.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Nah I wouldn't. Sure he's a nice guy, but he is WAYYYYYY past his best.
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Well, that's up to you. I heartily disagree and think he sounds just like he should. I still would go to great lengths to hear him if he sang near where I live. He is a legend and not just "a nice guy." He earned his accolades.
@@shirleyrombough8173 He is not a baritone, so I will not pander to his celebrity. Opera is not about celebrity, it is about, or at least should be about, 1 thing, voice (and technique, characterisation, etc).
Plenty of coughers in the audience. Obviously not music lovers.
Ridicolo. Purtroppo!
Perché hanno fatto fare la parte di un baritono a un tenore?
Seems there’s something of a consensus that he’s not a baritone but I want to challenge another thought commonly put forth in these comments - that he was a tenor with “baritonal” qualities. He absolutely was not. And the fact that he sang baritone rep as a teenager doesn’t change that fact. He was always a lyric tenor that could manage some spinto roles. He also had a sub-par top but that was down to technique more than anything else. There was never anything remotely “baritonal” about him.