Please see the new cinematic flights. ruclips.net/video/la9oz5PZaRU/видео.html Kudos to Emax for believing in their product and working out something is wrong with this particular Cinehawk Mini
with the camera being in the upper section and vehicles propulsion in the lower section and as easily as the 2 section appeared to be able move independently i would think that inertia alone during direction changes would cause the video problem you were addressing, it would kinda be like an innertuber being pulled behind a ski boat, inertia is going to swing the tube to the limit of it's mechanical connection, that camera is probably moving all over the place. easy to test, trow a piece of tape over the 2 parts so they can't move and see if video is better.......just a thought.
I wonder if the issue is that the battery is mounted on the same grommet dampening system as the camera. When flown at higher speeds the inertia of the large mass of the battery shakes the camera which produces more jello. I wonder if the jello is worse with the 930 mah vs a 650 mah ?
Hi Nick, thanks for as usual a thorough honest review. Ouch, never mind the jitter, the overall focus and sharpness of definition, indoors or out, is just not there. If that is all an O3 gives, I'm glad to avoid and stick to my HDZero and DJI Goggles V2/Vista systems. Suggest something wrong there!
I'm not sorry for saying this,, i'm so sick of companies putting out "so called cine whoops" . So fast to put out without considering something new and maybe a first type design , and as you seen first hand not really suited for real cinematic filming , or a good tune. Only thing i see with this one is durability?, maybe. I'm glad to be able to have someone truthful like you Nick. Thank you.
No need to be sorry, I believe I have at least hinted to my own confusion why we continue to see largely the same style of quad time and time again. Surely manufacturers haven't run out of ideas for unguarded quad designs. My own thought is the Avata driver and trying to capture part of that market. I suspect in large part these designs have to be purchased at some level as many companies have not only covered each prop size but also have second and third iterations. Surely at some point we will see it at least slow down and a return to traditional quad designs. That is my hope.
idk why but this doesn't feel like an emax product. From the way its constructed, materials used, and now the PID tune, weirdly doesn't have the usual emax touch to it. Great review as always nick! despite the wobbles, those loops looked so clean! I actually had a frame design that used a similar principle but I think their implementation of vibration isolating grommets were poorly done. that type of vibration isolation would benefit more if the grommets were further apart - effectively spreading excess vibration over a large area than a concentrated small middle section - let alone having the battery attached to it!
Nick, after watching this video again of the outside flight I do see jello,? How is the Pavo Pico 2.5” /3” look and Compare with Dji A03 cinematic flight, any Jello? 🤔🙏
I haven't done a flight after flight comparison with the pavo lineup. I really haven't flown the pavos since the reviews. Normally when I fly DJI casually I pull out the flylens85, or something without prop protection.
Could be vibrations due to plastic frame parts and soft mounting for a heavy camera system it seemed too flexible when you jiggled the top part also the battery could be shunting the camera especially in hard turns/yaw movements?just an idea!
I had pretty much the same results from the smallest 650mah to the biggest 930mah. I have been asked to confirm the DJI EIS is on. Which I am pretty sure I have one, but I should confirm to be 100%
Yet another cinebrick... And not necessarily the best effort either. And, why is everyone catering to DJI? There are other (less arrogant) options out there.
There's a theory that Dji likes to bully companies in to only selling their products to push out other systems then doesn't cover replacements to bnf vtxs
I wouldn't say I "know" why we keep seeing more cinewhoops and DJI stuff, I can imagine its either market segment or other business dictates these. I am seeing thumbnails from other reviewers indicating they liked their experience. Hmm.
Also known as "Less quality options" out there... Like the overheating Walksnail X, with it's often failing VTX's! For you newbies, overheating is probably the worst issue an electronics product can possibly have! Why? Because overheating often meaning it burns out! It takes the circuit boards with it when it FRIES! 🍟 ☠️⚰️ Nick Burns X goggles have already failed and need to be repaired, if that's even possible! 😧 And, the pathetically performing HDZero Analog2 version where image quality degrades at only 30 meters from you! Fly around trees, Bushes, buildings, and watch that analog snow overwhelm your image! Worse than analog... With analog when snow encompasses your image, you can punch out and often your image comes back. With HDZero you get the Rainbow screen of Death ☠️ 💀 and theirs no coming back from it because it takes quite a while for your image to return. Ask RUclips Creator Grim Reaper about losing his HDZero drone in a river when he tried to fly under a bridge. Buh Bye drone... Gone forever is your $500+ investment. BTW, DJI can fly under than bridge and most likely not see any loss of image quality AT ALL, and that's with 03 or Vista! With HDZero, pay the MOST of any goggle for the LEAST improvement, by far, over analog! Just a slightly sharper image but still all that analog snow! It's why it only has about 10% market share and is nicknamed Analog2. Paying so much for so little improvements over plain ole analog makes it BY FAR the worst value for our Dollars of anything ever available in the FPV market! Plus, it has THE WORST RELIABILITY and DURABILITY of any system FPV has ever had. Those VTX's fail so often people reported having to quit the format all together because it was costing them so much to replace all of the numerous failed VTX's, they couldn't afford to fly HDZero any more! HDZero is a BIG FAT ZERO! Most expensive for least improvements - I'd stay with plain ole analog before I'd pay their price! It costs a GRAND - $1000 - just to get the goggles, antennas, a battery, and one VTX! A DELUXE RIP OFF! 💯🤷🤦 And, DJI is almost bulletproof with most users having never had a failure of ANY DJI FPV product. Most reliable and durable by far! Fact. So, that means even though the DJI Integra goggle are only $349 with antennas and a battery, YES HALF THE PRICE OF THE HDZero goggles, DJI is Even less expensive than that because you rarely, if EVA, have to replace any gear.
I enjoy that high flying and then dropping down, you do. Don't know if there is a name to doing that move. is a trick, but it looks like you are flinging it up, cool. 😊
It could just be called a dive or a punchout....what goes up must come down. The bit around that horizontal tree might be called a split S or emellmen or not...I would have to lookup some sort of tricktionary. :)
Emax makes good drones sometimes, I got into the hobby with the tinyhawk freestyle 2 but sadly emax makes it hard to find compatible motors and frames for their drones it was even hard to find a new fc that fitted the THF2 frame so I had to go with the same one for almost 80 dollars. Great review btw.
I also started with the Th2freestyle. Horrible experience. Vtx antenna just dangling free, no range on the rx. Non standard mounting and cramped frame. It flew best with a darwin AIO Elrs fc (half the price, 15A esc instead of 5A and elrs, easy choice) and another vtx. Had to replace the fc because apparently the gyro wasn’t soldered on properly and came loose in a 1m drop inddors. Had to print a custom top part to fit all the new stuff. Also have some broken servos. Later I fixed the gyro with a heatgun. :/ and got it flying nearly stock. Something wrong with the cli dumps from emax flew like in slowmotion. Fixed it with some other pid tune. Flew great again and fell burning from the sky 5 batteries later. I would say emax is expensive and ”cheap”. I will stay away.
Fantastic review as always, Nick! Thanks a bunch! 😃 But yeah, perhaps stiffer grommets there? I have no idea... Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks for the review, shame it didn't pass. Shame too, Emax generally makes decent stuff. I'd have to agree, if it's bad video outside, good inside, would be a pass for me. Hope Emax can sort it out for those that got one. Cheers!
Great video! I do have one piece of feedback, try to only show a few batteries on the scale. Usually one of the larger packs for cruising and one smaller one for freestyle. I get why you did it but it can be boring to sit though. Keep it up!
the camera fixed with the battery which is a big weight on these flexible grommets is "suboptimal' to stay with polite words the inertia is large ant the grommet will flex when the drone takes acceleration, this arrangement can not work well! the design is flawed.
NicK, Emax Cinewhoop is for cinematography, it’s not Designed or Sold for Acro, or Racing. That’s not how Emax shows it in there Advertisement videos, i’m not saying don’t fly it the way you want, but you’re not gonna get that Perfect smooth video as expected when flying that aggressively from CineWhoops!
Honestly the weight of the battery and hard mount on the camera is a bad design overall it will never get stable outdoor footage with this design simply due to the force of the battery moving separately from the rest of the quad
Please see the new cinematic flights. ruclips.net/video/la9oz5PZaRU/видео.html
Kudos to Emax for believing in their product and working out something is wrong with this particular Cinehawk Mini
It’s always nice to see proof that your reviews are legitimately your own opinions
Accidentally flipped my tablet over and looked down and I was like "Wow, Nicks flying 3D!!"...lol
lol, yea I don't think we will see that on the channel anytime soon. 3d is so hard.
4:32 Bunny!
We have many this time of year....they love my wife's flowers :)
@@NickBurnsFPV as in, omm nom? 😂
@@hdzavalanche I am not familiar with omm nom. google says that is a green blob?
@@NickBurnsFPV Omm nom nom… as in the bunny likes to eat your wife’s flowers? 😅 An omm nom nomivore, hahahaha… 🤣
@@hdzavalanche lol, oh my I was so off and missing the point totally. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
with the camera being in the upper section and vehicles propulsion in the lower section and as easily as the 2 section appeared to be able move independently i would think that inertia alone during direction changes would cause the video problem you were addressing, it would kinda be like an innertuber being pulled behind a ski boat, inertia is going to swing the tube to the limit of it's mechanical connection, that camera is probably moving all over the place. easy to test, trow a piece of tape over the 2 parts so they can't move and see if video is better.......just a thought.
I wonder if the issue is that the battery is mounted on the same grommet dampening system as the camera. When flown at higher speeds the inertia of the large mass of the battery shakes the camera which produces more jello. I wonder if the jello is worse with the 930 mah vs a 650 mah ?
As always Nick, you gave an honest review. Thats what we all appreciate about you. Well done brother. ✌️
Hi Nick, thanks for as usual a thorough honest review. Ouch, never mind the jitter, the overall focus and sharpness of definition, indoors or out, is just not there. If that is all an O3 gives, I'm glad to avoid and stick to my HDZero and DJI Goggles V2/Vista systems. Suggest something wrong there!
I'm not sorry for saying this,, i'm so sick of companies putting out "so called cine whoops" . So fast to put out without considering something new and maybe a first type design , and as you seen first hand not really suited for real cinematic filming , or a good tune. Only thing i see with this one is durability?, maybe.
I'm glad to be able to have someone truthful like you Nick. Thank you.
No need to be sorry, I believe I have at least hinted to my own confusion why we continue to see largely the same style of quad time and time again. Surely manufacturers haven't run out of ideas for unguarded quad designs. My own thought is the Avata driver and trying to capture part of that market. I suspect in large part these designs have to be purchased at some level as many companies have not only covered each prop size but also have second and third iterations. Surely at some point we will see it at least slow down and a return to traditional quad designs. That is my hope.
Flying School bus! LOL, hey, you tried!! Starting to really like Walksnail myself, Great Video as always! Happy Memorial Day!
idk why but this doesn't feel like an emax product. From the way its constructed, materials used, and now the PID tune, weirdly doesn't have the usual emax touch to it. Great review as always nick! despite the wobbles, those loops looked so clean! I actually had a frame design that used a similar principle but I think their implementation of vibration isolating grommets were poorly done. that type of vibration isolation would benefit more if the grommets were further apart - effectively spreading excess vibration over a large area than a concentrated small middle section - let alone having the battery attached to it!
Nick, after watching this video again of the outside flight I do see jello,? How is the Pavo Pico 2.5” /3” look and Compare with Dji A03 cinematic flight, any Jello? 🤔🙏
I haven't done a flight after flight comparison with the pavo lineup. I really haven't flown the pavos since the reviews. Normally when I fly DJI casually I pull out the flylens85, or something without prop protection.
Could be vibrations due to plastic frame parts and soft mounting for a heavy camera system it seemed too flexible when you jiggled the top part also the battery could be shunting the camera especially in hard turns/yaw movements?just an idea!
I had pretty much the same results from the smallest 650mah to the biggest 930mah. I have been asked to confirm the DJI EIS is on. Which I am pretty sure I have one, but I should confirm to be 100%
$158 for the no vtx version. 20 amp esc. Might be worth it to buy for the parts to build a 2s walksnail toothpick. That's what I'm kind of thinking.
Yet another cinebrick... And not necessarily the best effort either. And, why is everyone catering to DJI? There are other (less arrogant) options out there.
There's a theory that Dji likes to bully companies in to only selling their products to push out other systems then doesn't cover replacements to bnf vtxs
I wouldn't say I "know" why we keep seeing more cinewhoops and DJI stuff, I can imagine its either market segment or other business dictates these. I am seeing thumbnails from other reviewers indicating they liked their experience. Hmm.
Also known as "Less quality options" out there...
Like the overheating Walksnail X, with it's often failing VTX's! For you newbies, overheating is probably the worst issue an electronics product can possibly have! Why? Because overheating often meaning it burns out! It takes the circuit boards with it when it FRIES! 🍟 ☠️⚰️
Nick Burns X goggles have already failed and need to be repaired, if that's even possible! 😧
And, the pathetically performing HDZero Analog2 version where image quality degrades at only 30 meters from you! Fly around trees, Bushes, buildings, and watch that analog snow overwhelm your image! Worse than analog... With analog when snow encompasses your image, you can punch out and often your image comes back. With HDZero you get the Rainbow screen of Death ☠️ 💀 and theirs no coming back from it because it takes quite a while for your image to return. Ask RUclips Creator Grim Reaper about losing his HDZero drone in a river when he tried to fly under a bridge. Buh Bye drone... Gone forever is your $500+ investment.
BTW, DJI can fly under than bridge and most likely not see any loss of image quality AT ALL, and that's with 03 or Vista!
With HDZero, pay the MOST of any goggle for the LEAST improvement, by far, over analog! Just a slightly sharper image but still all that analog snow! It's why it only has about 10% market share and is nicknamed Analog2. Paying so much for so little improvements over plain ole analog makes it BY FAR the worst value for our Dollars of anything ever available in the FPV market! Plus, it has THE WORST RELIABILITY and DURABILITY of any system FPV has ever had. Those VTX's fail so often people reported having to quit the format all together because it was costing them so much to replace all of the numerous failed VTX's, they couldn't afford to fly HDZero any more! HDZero is a BIG FAT ZERO! Most expensive for least improvements - I'd stay with plain ole analog before I'd pay their price! It costs a GRAND - $1000 - just to get the goggles, antennas, a battery, and one VTX!
A DELUXE RIP OFF! 💯🤷🤦
And, DJI is almost bulletproof with most users having never had a failure of ANY DJI FPV product. Most reliable and durable by far! Fact. So, that means even though the DJI Integra goggle are only $349 with antennas and a battery, YES HALF THE PRICE OF THE HDZero goggles, DJI is Even less expensive than that because you rarely, if EVA, have to replace any gear.
You mean inferior options. If there was a competitor that actually rivaled the quality I'm sure majority of us wouldn't use dji anymore.
Less arrogant but not better. Just give me the best I don’t care about company politics
I enjoy that high flying and then dropping down, you do. Don't know if there is a name to doing that move. is a trick, but it looks like you are flinging it up, cool. 😊
It could just be called a dive or a punchout....what goes up must come down. The bit around that horizontal tree might be called a split S or emellmen or not...I would have to lookup some sort of tricktionary. :)
Good honest video! I'm surprised normally emax is very good with BNF.
Emax makes good drones sometimes, I got into the hobby with the tinyhawk freestyle 2 but sadly emax makes it hard to find compatible motors and frames for their drones it was even hard to find a new fc that fitted the THF2 frame so I had to go with the same one for almost 80 dollars. Great review btw.
yea, they had that more elongated flight controller/AIO, thankfully they did move away from that design. The motor mounting I believe continues :(
I also started with the Th2freestyle. Horrible experience. Vtx antenna just dangling free, no range on the rx. Non standard mounting and cramped frame.
It flew best with a darwin AIO Elrs fc (half the price, 15A esc instead of 5A and elrs, easy choice) and another vtx. Had to replace the fc because apparently the gyro wasn’t soldered on properly and came loose in a 1m drop inddors. Had to print a custom top part to fit all the new stuff.
Also have some broken servos.
Later I fixed the gyro with a heatgun. :/ and got it flying nearly stock. Something wrong with the cli dumps from emax flew like in slowmotion. Fixed it with some other pid tune. Flew great again and fell burning from the sky 5 batteries later.
I would say emax is expensive and ”cheap”. I will stay away.
Great review again Nick. Thank you !!
Doesn't it come with 1404? Seems like it's underpowered:(
Fantastic review as always, Nick! Thanks a bunch! 😃
But yeah, perhaps stiffer grommets there? I have no idea...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Your flight style is like mine, evil dead style
Thought of that camera style as he flew to upstairs bedroom.
Thanks for the review, shame it didn't pass. Shame too, Emax generally makes decent stuff. I'd have to agree, if it's bad video outside, good inside, would be a pass for me. Hope Emax can sort it out for those that got one. Cheers!
Thanks Nick for the great review
Nice review, honesty is key.
I saw Albert Kims review on this and i couldnt figure out how it weights the same as a babyhawk 03 with an 850mah.. Nope!
love your reviews
Very good review Nick
Great video! I do have one piece of feedback, try to only show a few batteries on the scale. Usually one of the larger packs for cruising and one smaller one for freestyle. I get why you did it but it can be boring to sit though. Keep it up!
All that battery tray. The weight from the battery is jostling EVERYWHICH way - Bad idea. Less moving parts the better.
jonE5 was having some jello too!
Okay, thanks for confirming I am not alone in this experience.
Hi, in my opinion, JonE5 is a honest guy, maybe this is the reason he had issues too, honesty. 😉
the camera fixed with the battery which is a big weight on these flexible grommets is "suboptimal' to stay with polite words the inertia is large ant the grommet will flex when the drone takes acceleration, this arrangement can not work well! the design is flawed.
NicK, Emax Cinewhoop is for cinematography, it’s not Designed or Sold for Acro, or Racing. That’s not how Emax shows it in there Advertisement videos, i’m not saying don’t fly it the way you want, but you’re not gonna get that Perfect smooth video as expected when flying that aggressively from CineWhoops!
The video isn't smooth in its designed intent either. Slow flat flying also have unstable and not smooth video
Honestly the weight of the battery and hard mount on the camera is a bad design overall it will never get stable outdoor footage with this design simply due to the force of the battery moving separately from the rest of the quad
Great review. Give that one a miss.
Acrobee75 flys better with props out.
Love the hoop 😍
Must feel conflicting to post a review when not liking the product.
It doesn't feel good, but does help me sleep knowing there is nothing to feel guilty about.
Bi there! It looks good, but can it freestyle? We will see... lets watch
Only 90% effort applied. Do better Emax.
I am now seeing other reviewers have indicated they liked it. I could have some other issue going on.
emax seems to be going downhill like a lot of other companies it's sad to watch honestly
Its a F411 FC… so overpriced for this ancient technology. There are other drones in the $500 category with at least AT LEAST a F405. Hard pass