The day Ellusionist tells the full story Hell will freeze over. Thank you Scott for this review, you have saved me spending ££s on another non worker imo.
E have made a fool of Clément. I’ve seen the original description of the effect used on his website and it’s a way more honest representation of the effect than what E say. 🤡
Thanks a lot for telling the truth Scott, I was considering this until I watched your review, I would definitely not wanna install anything on my spectator’s phone because in my opinion it isn’t right and if something goes wrong then they’ll blame us.
Exactly. Not to mention it’s done without the owners consent, which probably violates privacy laws in some countries. I will always do my best to educate everyone on the reality of products so they can make informed purchases they’re happy with.
You don’t install something « bad » you can’t take information from the spectator phone or make bad things, for me tricks like inject are more dangerous but not lumen.
Great review! I absolutely hate phone magic where you have to input something secret into a spectators phone! I recently bought ‘Pulse’ a very easy to use app and well taught. However as the creator explains it’s a much better effect if you perform on a borrowed spectators phone. You also receive an NFC chip to connect to the spectators phone. But even after you’ve connected you still have to input secret info and type in a fake web address! All of which raises immediate questions and suspicions!
With lumen you just input and there is no website etc… personally I don’t hate phone magic, I prefer classic magic ( I’m a coin magician and mentalist) but we need to by in our time, phones are every where and we can make good things with phones 🤗
I purchased this last night, haven’t really looked at it yet. So I just learned a lot from you here. Not sure that I would have purchased it if I had known this. But I guess I’ll see how it goes….?
thank you for the review i was just looking at this and was thinking about buying it , ime absolutely staying away from it thank you , i find it disgusting that they keep such information away from you and try and fob it off as you see in the trailer
I understand that communication hides a little and disappoints, I think it's rather hard to sell a magical product by hiding the secret partially so some things are said and others not, in the case of lumen, it can disappoint in seeing the review because you have the impression of a scam, personally every magician who saw me do it at conventions bought it from me because it works and by seeing it in real life and seeing me do it you will understand that not all of the “problems” stated in the video are really problems. I'm just talking because even if the review is good it taints my image a little while initially I created this tour for myself and I like to share my ideas, you can see it with my publications on the pieces. There is no intention to scam and I published the trick because for once I found a use of nfc and shortcut simple and which works for real conditions
Wow, and it’s like how could I know a spectator has downloaded the shortcuts app on their phone. How do you fish for that type of information before performing the trick ? Thank you for your review!!
As I say in the review, Shortscuts is pre-installed on every iPhone these days but as someone who deletes unwanted apps, it’s a potential problem every once in a while. Hope you found the review helpful.
Thanks Scott, these issues were running round my mind as I was considering this. I figured there was way too much that could go wrong to make it a good buy
Another classic deception from E. It's so weird that they release tricks with so much secrecy and deception that they ruin the release for the author...
Since my review Clément has told me E has added further clarification to the product page for “performance restrictions”. It shouldn’t take me making reviews for magic companies to tell people what they’ll receive in plain language.
Exactly. It’s a security risk and in terms of corporate events it’s probably against GDPR laws. If ANYTHING goes wrong with a spectators phone after this trick they’ll blame the magician.
@@EverythingMagicPro99 Reminds me of the new inject addon, where you steal information from autofil. My main job is in cybersecurity and I would never, ever even think about using something like that. Depending on the country you are living in its illegal + as you said, if something goes wrong (regardless if its connected to what you did / didnt do) chances are high that you are being blamed for it. I don't exactly know how Lumen works - but imagine finding a strange code days after a magician / mentalist touched your phone. How should a lay person know that it's only controlling the light and not doing something else / something malicious? I really don't understand how they decided to sell a product like this.
Well, unlike inject, the Shortcuts script is deleted from the phone before handing it back. What if they don’t let you take the phone back though? 😂 I’m glad you commented because the cybersecurity side of it is crazy. With all these apps being used that do something covert on people’s phone without the owners consent, it’s only a matter of time before someone gets sued.
@@ms11-p4mhey lumen can’t make a bad thing, personally inject scared me, but lumen is a shortcut you can’t do bad thing with this, you can’t take informations from the spectator phone, you can’t keep control on his phone, you just send to the phone a sequence of actions, there is nothing bad and at the end there is nothing in the spectator phone.
@@liberalguy513 personally I don’t lie, when I release something it’s cause it work, I’m more a performer than creator, magician is my full time job and I released lumen cause I perform it during my gigs, like my coin work ( if you want to understand my work you can take a look of my coin magic)
The day Ellusionist tells the full story Hell will freeze over. Thank you Scott for this review, you have saved me spending ££s on another non worker imo.
E have made a fool of Clément. I’ve seen the original description of the effect used on his website and it’s a way more honest representation of the effect than what E say. 🤡
@@EverythingMagicPro99don’t bother. The links don’t work and Clement won’t answer messages
Thanks a lot for telling the truth Scott, I was considering this until I watched your review, I would definitely not wanna install anything on my spectator’s phone because in my opinion it isn’t right and if something goes wrong then they’ll blame us.
Exactly. Not to mention it’s done without the owners consent, which probably violates privacy laws in some countries.
I will always do my best to educate everyone on the reality of products so they can make informed purchases they’re happy with.
You don’t install something « bad » you can’t take information from the spectator phone or make bad things, for me tricks like inject are more dangerous but not lumen.
@@EverythingMagicPro99 Yeah man, thanks a lot once again for being truthful, else a lot of us would’ve been disappointed with the purchase
Great review! I absolutely hate phone magic where you have to input something secret into a spectators phone! I recently bought ‘Pulse’ a very easy to use app and well taught. However as the creator explains it’s a much better effect if you perform on a borrowed spectators phone. You also receive an NFC chip to connect to the spectators phone. But even after you’ve connected you still have to input secret info and type in a fake web address! All of which raises immediate questions and suspicions!
With lumen you just input and there is no website etc… personally I don’t hate phone magic, I prefer classic magic ( I’m a coin magician and mentalist) but we need to by in our time, phones are every where and we can make good things with phones 🤗
This is the reason I watch your reviews Scott because unlike others, you tell the truth, thank you my friend.
Your reviews are so important.
Thank you for that honest review 👍
I purchased this last night, haven’t really looked at it yet. So I just learned a lot from you here. Not sure that I would have purchased it if I had known this. But I guess I’ll see how it goes….?
No probl, look the tutorial, everything work you will perform it
thank you for the review i was just looking at this and was thinking about buying it , ime absolutely staying away from it thank you , i find it disgusting that they keep such information away from you and try and fob it off as you see in the trailer
Glad I could help. I’m always trying to help people find the products that work for them.
I understand that communication hides a little and disappoints, I think it's rather hard to sell a magical product by hiding the secret partially so some things are said and others not, in the case of lumen, it can disappoint in seeing the review because you have the impression of a scam, personally every magician who saw me do it at conventions bought it from me because it works and by seeing it in real life and seeing me do it you will understand that not all of the “problems” stated in the video are really problems. I'm just talking because even if the review is good it taints my image a little while initially I created this tour for myself and I like to share my ideas, you can see it with my publications on the pieces. There is no intention to scam and I published the trick because for once I found a use of nfc and shortcut simple and which works for real conditions
Wow, and it’s like how could I know a spectator has downloaded the shortcuts app on their phone. How do you fish for that type of information before performing the trick ? Thank you for your review!!
As I say in the review, Shortscuts is pre-installed on every iPhone these days but as someone who deletes unwanted apps, it’s a potential problem every once in a while.
Hope you found the review helpful.
I explain how to do if the spectator don’t have shortcut, to switch on other tricks.
Thanks Scott, these issues were running round my mind as I was considering this. I figured there was way too much that could go wrong to make it a good buy
Some magic companies care more about profit than honesty.
I care more about educating people on what will and won’t be a good use of their money.
Wow thanks for the review!
Thanks!
Another classic deception from E. It's so weird that they release tricks with so much secrecy and deception that they ruin the release for the author...
Since my review Clément has told me E has added further clarification to the product page for “performance restrictions”.
It shouldn’t take me making reviews for magic companies to tell people what they’ll receive in plain language.
@@EverythingMagicPro99 they tried to conceal it 100%.
Ellusionist and misleading trailer didn’t use to go together…That’s so sad 😢
@@td41031 The did and do like a horse and carriage to coin a phrase. Pip pip…
"...install a script on their phone..."
I'm out 🙂
It is deleted before finishing the trick but yes, installing something on another persons phone without their consent is a big concern.
Scott once again your honesty for me about this is a deal breaker. Thank you for this review 👍👏👍👏👍👍👍👍👏👏👏
This blow hole Scott talks truth to power. He’s a magic patriot! #respect
lol. Sure, lets install a script on a strangers phone. Next level would be installing a keylogger to obtain some "secret information"...
Exactly. It’s a security risk and in terms of corporate events it’s probably against GDPR laws. If ANYTHING goes wrong with a spectators phone after this trick they’ll blame the magician.
@@EverythingMagicPro99 Reminds me of the new inject addon, where you steal information from autofil. My main job is in cybersecurity and I would never, ever even think about using something like that. Depending on the country you are living in its illegal + as you said, if something goes wrong (regardless if its connected to what you did / didnt do) chances are high that you are being blamed for it. I don't exactly know how Lumen works - but imagine finding a strange code days after a magician / mentalist touched your phone. How should a lay person know that it's only controlling the light and not doing something else / something malicious? I really don't understand how they decided to sell a product like this.
Well, unlike inject, the Shortcuts script is deleted from the phone before handing it back.
What if they don’t let you take the phone back though? 😂
I’m glad you commented because the cybersecurity side of it is crazy. With all these apps being used that do something covert on people’s phone without the owners consent, it’s only a matter of time before someone gets sued.
@@EverythingMagicPro99the spectator always let you take the phone back you just need to have the good presentation.
@@ms11-p4mhey lumen can’t make a bad thing, personally inject scared me, but lumen is a shortcut you can’t do bad thing with this, you can’t take informations from the spectator phone, you can’t keep control on his phone, you just send to the phone a sequence of actions, there is nothing bad and at the end there is nothing in the spectator phone.
Just took a look at their ad, very "carefully worded" and deceptive.
@@liberalguy513 personally I don’t lie, when I release something it’s cause it work, I’m more a performer than creator, magician is my full time job and I released lumen cause I perform it during my gigs, like my coin work ( if you want to understand my work you can take a look of my coin magic)
Clément asked E to update the product page with “performance restrictions” so that it’s more clear what people are buying. Still a bs move by E.
@@EverythingMagicPro99 Just looked at their "update", better but still deceptive.