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I usually describe it this way: Imagine that the human mind is an ice cream. The collective unconscious is the cone, and the experiences of the individual are the flavour and sprinkles. Sure each ice cream is different, but they all use the same template to build upon
Jung unlike Freud had formally studied philosophy, Jung's notion of archetypes derived from Plato's notion of forms, I believe.Freud of course ripped off Schopenhauer, Nietzche, Charcot and others. Freud: The Making of an Illusion by Frederick Crews meticulously analyses Freud's sources for his notions of the unconscious, this has import for Jung too. Anyone curious about Freud and Jung could do well to read Crews' book.
I think that the best way to understand Jung is that he was a shaman; an extremely well read, intellectually brilliant, self-initiated shaman who went down the into the underworld but didn't go completely insane because he had the self-possession and sheer courage to keep his critical faculties intact and the education to formulate his experiences into a theoretical model that could be communicated to others. You might think I am being hyperbolic but I believe that he belongs in the first tier of the great minds of western culture along with Plato and Aristotle. He has still not be given his due respect as our highly rationalistic unspiritual age is not capable of "digesting" his work. Hopefully that will change.
Totally agree Peter. I love Jung and for me he's closer to the mainline of Western philosophy than to anything going on in psychology. Even when you read him the references are more to Nietzsche Plato and Goethe than to any other psychologists (it being early days for the field of course). I think because he's in the box marked psychologist he's not considered as a philosopher but then again Plotinus isn't much talked about either and he's a fantastic Proto-Jung to my mind. Without a doubt on the top shelf of thought-provoking thinkers in the Western tradition.
Jung is so hard to understand because we have developed into the point of over-rationalizing everything. We make million casual assumptions about ourselves and the world and then we are surprised that the psyche does not behave the way we expect it to, but thats only a testament to our ignorance. For me, one of the greatest discoveries connected with Jung's work is that the mind (and for that matter human behavior) does not speak conventional logic and you have to treat it as a complete mystery you know nothing about all the way down to simplest processes such as perception. Learning to understand the language of your dreams is a great way to start.
I really love the way you break down common misconceptions. Your Camus and Nietzsche videos are what hooked me in, but I love love love that you actually explain the major differences without snark or denigration. It’s hard to find intellectual correction without shame, but I think you do it really well.
Ah thanks Mat! I think other than that Camus video where I don't think I was the best at finding the intellectual balance I do try and strike a balanced point of view mainly because I'm quite confident that someone who knows more than me can school me in why I have overstepped so I'm always looking to leave myself open to correction without too much embarassment! Keeps me humble and willing to learn!
I think you’re doing great with it. I’m trying to be better about it myself, treating what I know like an ongoing discovery rather than a solid and definite truth.
@@matgonzalez6272 Thnaks Mat! Much appreciated! I think that humility is always a good option. Probably best not to trust what we know too deeply - the looser we hold it the easier it is to change although admittedly by holding it weaker diminishes the energy gains of certainty so there's that
(forgot to say this in my prior comment) I think it’s amazing that Jung’s psychological understanding was so considered “mystic” when it’s such a biologically sound idea; traits passed down akin to the turtles you mention, would perfectly explain our understanding of “sins of the father” and other weird sayings. To frame it as a “collective unconscious” probably threw people off, but fully explained, it makes perfect sense that we’d inherit behavior patterns, especially with how easily children can be programmed in early years
There's also a growing field of study and research into trauma being passed down. Children of holocaust survivors have been really helpful in studying this and then there is work like that of Dr Gabor Maté regarding how so many patterns and suffering in adulthood can be traced to childhood and family.
@Sempress I've never heard of Dr. Mate before. Did a Google search on him and this is VERY interesting work that he has and is doing! Thank you for mentioning him, I will definitely be grabbing copies of his books. I have ADHD myself, so his work really hits home. Edit: I just bought 3 of his books on Audible! Thank you again for mentioning him!
Honestly, the overall unenlightened masses can't make the judgement call when it comes to this stuff. The fact that people keep listening to what society has to say shows that they've given up free will forever, and thanks to that, their voices won't be heard at all. They've displayed obedience to what society's collective consciousness has decided, while never stepping out of line to the ideas and concepts that have been rammed into their heads straight from birth. These people have blindly swore allegiance to the "country" that controls their mind, and the "country" that controls their soul. When I mean "country", I'm referring to the metaphorical "country" of repeated ideas and propaganda that society has built-up. And these people live in ignorance and just "purchase" their happiness, in one sense, while living within this metaphorical "country". Most people can't escape from this state. Overall, when blood and sweat is the real cost, thinking ceases and the truth is lost when it comes to society's way of living. The people that live in this state are told exactly what to do by the world around them, not thinking for themselves. Society BELIVES that they are helping these people and giving them the lives they need, and that they, the "righteous" in their mind, are succeeding, when in reality, the opposite is true. In society, the fires of greed will burn the "weak", which are the people who simply just listen to what society has to say, and they'll make freedom seem obsolete. And people think that this makes the fabric of society whole, but... the idea of "collective consciousness" will control the weak, as you will see, forever and always.
What is being represented here? The stronger among us are personal responsibility minded people that are loyal to the system they work in, and they work hard to thrive within that system. Strength is fundamental to having a system of any kind. The problem with that is sometimes the system is corrupt. People at the top of corruption are always encouraging the type of behavior you are speaking of to create stupid weak followers. That is where the LEFTY comes in and refuses to give up their seat on the bus or send tax money to King George anymore. This is strength mindset vs fairness mindset. Oldest story in the book. The selfish vs the unselfish. The educated vs the uneducated. We're just monkeys flying around the sun on a rock. Primitive savages. Unga bunga bunga!
@@toomanydonutspolitically the term Left when it was coined was anti-Monarchist Republican, and right meant Monarchist, the term was coined in 1789. And the term in continental Europe remained similarly associated all the way til the mid-20th century. The terms „left and right“ were not even popular terms in GB and the USA until the 1930‘s. But when the term was coined Thomas Jefferson was in France (where it was coined) hence Jefferson was considered a Leftist by the French, as well as the USA in general.
Jung seemed to go the opposite way from those from James and Frued, rather than adopting the Lockean tendency of religiously extrapolating from 'natural' phenomena, he decided to follow the ancient Platonic method. He looked deeper than any thinker of his time, he sought the 'occult' because he wanted an even deeper insight than he had then been able to achieve. The interview where he said that he doesn't think, but knows that god exists, is very reminiscent of those of Plato in the Timeaus.
Yes! God what a moment! It's from that interview that I use in the opening clip. Really amazing. Totally agree about the Platonic connection. In the 20th century it was occult in Antiquity it was philosophy
Carl Jung was an absolute genius and his contribution to humanity can never be over stated. Jung is one of the finest minds in human history. Jung actually made the journey to the bottom of the unconscious psyche. The only way the collective unconscious can be proven and understood is by experiencing it for one's self. A person experiencing spiritual awakening or kundalini awakening, what Jung called "Individuation" directly experiences both the personal unconscious and the collective unconscious. This process takes years if not decades and involved intense suffering and inner work. At the bottom of the collective unconscious is the Soul or Self...a person's Divine Center and True Self. Few have realized it.
Thankyou again! Dr jung was (reportedly) so intrinsic in planting the seeds which contributed to the common solution in 12 step recovery from the disease of alcoholism. He suggested that there may be a spiritual solution to Powerlessness in addiction...(again reportedly lol I'm not stating this as fact 😅). Dr jung, in literature has been often credited with having conveyed step 2 which says "we came to believe...that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity" his studies in the power of the unconscious have been invaluable to my recovery. Thankyou for simplifying these concepts so profoundly for everyone! My goldfish brain really appreciates... and my heart treasures the inspiration you are bringing me in these presentations ♡
Delighted that you're enjoying them Dee! I was only chatting with a friend of mine about this last week and she was telling me in depth about how Jung contributed to the 12 step program so I do believe you are spot on. Very powerful legacy
Just to set the record straight : Tantra discovered the collective unconscious and developed tools to transcend it thousands of years ago. Actually for thousands of years Tantra has acknowledged seven levels of consciousness. Three levels below the conscious mind : The personal unconscious, The collective unconscious, The cosmic unconscious. Then there are three levels above the conscious mind: The individual super conscious, The collective superconscious, The cosmic superconscious . When Jung visited India he was advised to travel south and visit the sage Ramana Maharshi who had realised and transcended the seven levels. But Jung didnt go .......and the question is , Why not? My estimate is that his personal unconscious blocked his path.
Thanks so much for this. I have always avoided Jung because of the way I have heard other people use his work to justify some mystic BS that they’ve been exploring. This just confirms the need to read any philosophical work first hand to get an understanding of it, at least enough to comment on it. Love your work buddy.
To understand Carl Jung, I started with Tom Cambell's TOE then got to Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance. I find those 2 people have the other piece of the puzzle. Dean radin will help make the connection easier.
I think the body is a vessel for energy which is being honed through the experiences we have through life and the decisions we make good or bad. The vessel goes back to the earth but the energy seeks completion, and the energy holds all of your past memories and more which can and will haunt you during your next physical life in the form of weird dreams and unexplained happenings to yourself that may seem out of this world. I think all of the energy that has come from this earth is connected in one way or another so anything is possible.
Thank you! Great explanation of the collective consciousness that does exist but not many are willing to see the cause and effect of simply ignoring What Is! Oneness in everything 😎👍🤍
I think there are a number of points to understand here: 1) The Jungian Analytic community has itself no single common understanding of the Collective Unconscious, and indeed Jung’s writings include a number of different, incompatible perspectives. 2) Some Jungian theorists (e.g. Dr Jean Knox) argue that we have to give up the related concepts of (1) the Collective Unconscious and (2) the Archetypes that ‘reside’ within it, as Jung is himself inconsistent across his writings about his own theoretical model. 3) Other Jungian theorists (e.g. Warren Colman) argue that Jungian theory should give up the idea of Archetypes entirely, partly because the concept of a-priory images somewhere ‘in the ether’ are an untenable scientifically; similarly other Jungians rebel since no neuro-scientific evidence for archetypes has yet been found. 4) Notwithstanding all this, the current most tenable theoretical model for the collective unconscious (and the archetypes) is based on the integration of some ideas from Biological Philosophy (e.g. See Evan Thompson's Mind in Life) and Complex Systems theory. You’ll have to try to stay with me here, because it’s not simple and this will necessarily be brief: - The model works bottom-up; firstly it establishes Jung’s concept of the Archetypes-As-Such (which is foundational to the idea of the Collective Unconscious) as being the Phase-Space of all possible states of the complex system formed by the integrated system that is an Individual coupled-into their physical environment through (biologically) goal-directed sensory-motor systems. - Next, the model observes that Meaning arises biologically, through the interaction of the individual and their environment, through the biological necessity (and therefore biological meaning) of the fulfilment of an individual’s biological needs within its environment. - The model then observes that this biological meaning (specifically the biological meaning of all possible states of the integrated physical Individual-Environment system) must ‘reside’ somewhere. This ‘place’ is, firstly and theoretically, a further abstracted Phase-Space, this time the phase-space, not of the physical individual-environment system, but of the biological meanings of the various states of the underlying physical individual-environment system. - Having seen that, one then can see that this further-abstracted phase-space is in fact analogous to Jung’s Collective Unconscious; and furthermore that what this model is actually saying is that Psyche itself is not a property of the individual, but rather a property of the integrated individual-environment system; i.e. that, at the level of depth psychology, Psyche is not individual but is actually shared, across all individuals within a shared environment. The personal Psyche is then 'built' on this deep layer of the Collective (Unconscious) Psyche, firstly unconsciously as the individual's deep personal, physical and biological experience of the shared individual-environment complex system, and then, consciously, as an overall, observing, ego layer that developed as a later evolutionary achievement to support planning and monitoring of the individual's activities. - This is, I think, the model that is closest to what Jung was himself experiencing empirically in his journeys into the deeper layers of his own psyche, what he was observing in his work on/with tribal peoples in Africa, and what he was trying to put into a theoretical model with his ideas of the Collective Unconscious and the Archetypes. I hope that in some way adds to the debate; and please feel free to come back to me on all this, if you are interested. Best regards to all.
This is dope. Watching as someone completely uneducated on psychology, I find the examples and even just language used really well-placed. On the video topic, thanks for bringing this to us - I could see why you might think such a concept deserves to be properly understood (at least in a general sense). I wonder if there's any modern interest in the collective unconscious as it relates to psychedelic experiences - I'm left myself wondering if the kinds of similar experiences that people have had through documented history (and over many different cultures) has more to do with innate human nature/collective unconscious and not simply personal unconscious in a coincidental way (to me, it'd seem more rational if the former). Maybe that's a silly curiosity, I guess I'll find out in an hour at most - if my psychological literacy is even adequate for researching it hahaha. Thanks for your videos. It's not only interesting and helpful for my self, but arguably necessary content for all - as I'm sure you knew. Heading over to your Patreon, but I'll make sure to like and comment on YT still too.
Ah wonderful Gabriel! Thanks for the kind words and the support. You raise a very good point and an exciting one. The recurrent experiences from psychedelics are obviously not the focus of research at the moment - it's using the medical mental health route to get past the decades of stigma but I think once the field is fully accepted then we should see some very interesting studies around this sort of thing and then we might see a reignition of the collective unconscious as a paradigmatic concept and who knows a renaissance in Jungian thought! Optimistic perhaps but possible I would say
So the idea of the collective unconscious of Jung is, in some sense, also making a statement regarding some properties that we all universally share? When I was young I was taught that humans were a kind of "tabula rasa" where essentially all behaviors were due to relative social constructs one encountered in life. Now, instead, I believe in a universal human nature that is a bit hard to nail down precisely but nonetheless exists.
Yeah it is I mean I think as in so many cases of these hard binaries it's somewhere in the middle. We're certainly not a tabula rasa but also we're far from detrermined (looking around at the human world it's hard to argue with that). The way I see it we have a foundational wiring which is an operating system which is given and that allows a LOT of flexibility in how its executed on. The given programming isn't a straitjacket but a system that primes us for adaptation. At least that's my armchair take
Loved the way you explained everything, I'm currently reading psychology in bite-sized chunks by Joel Levy and trying to do my own research on the topics for a more in depth knowledge and this video really helped. Thank you for making this video!
There is so much guff written about yhe collective unconscious, personnally I think of it as the behaviours , fears and desires we have been gifted through our long evolutionary history. We all as humans exhibit these because they are part of dna blueprint. Fear of the dark, the attraction of a roaring fire etc
I really like this channel. Have you ever heard the phrase I don’t have to watch the movie, I lived it? I feel like that with music. I don’t have to listen to Pink Floyd‘s the wall because I lived it in my teens. I don’t have to listen to Roger Waters song 5:06 AM because I feel like I lived it. I never knew who Carl Jung was or anything about him really. When I start to think about him now, now that I am learning about him it’s like he can occupy my mind. Like a spirit that is alive. Then that spirit turns into material things that I can touch. Thanks for making the video I enjoy listening to you.
Wow that's fascinating Mark! I am dead curious for you to elaborate on that a bit. Do you mean you can just feel what he meant and grasp his point of view or you mean you can tangibly interact with him as a separate being? I am thinking of the Jungian practice of active imagination and thinking that this would be a great inner voice to have a chat with and learn a few things from
@@TheLivingPhilosophy I think he meant the former: feeling what Jung meant and grasp his pov. Correct me if I'm wrong Mark, because I felt this way too many times. Maybe this is because of "collective unconcious" or god really put something in our heads that we can hop onto each others' minds briefly. :)
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Hi, I grasp his point of view. The idea that thoughts can act like spirits and have a life of their own is new to me and very interesting. The house that I am sitting in at one time was nothing but an idea. Now it’s a house that I can touch or sit in. You can think about religion the same way. It doesn’t matter whether it is true or not. The spirit of the idea is going to manifest itself in the real world. What I would be interested in is hearing rather or not other people can see their lives in their music. Not all of it just certain favorite songs. I’m thinking like this. Roger Waters is a creator of music and he has an archetype that he creates in. I feel like part of my life lived that archetype. Or I just have a similar archetype. I am wondering if other people can see this too because it is very obvious to me in my life.
@@Mark.Allen1111 ah yes I know what you mean now. And with the music tbing you're spot on. I have a resting point around Dylan but I like to listen to Biggie or Eminem in the gym sometimes to get me in a certain zone which I think of as invoking a more Martian spirit. It would definitely be interesting to sit down and map out genres and artists by the archetypes they invoke
Love it very interesting about the inbuilt mechanism of the turtle running to the water It’s true we seem to hold some instinctive memory perhaps this also relates to Nietzsche’s idea of the will to power which permeates all beings
Great video! Never read Jung, but I wonder is how seamlessly this fits in with modern evolutionary psychology. The two perspectives are chopped up a little differently because of time, but their premises seem identical (say the relationship between our umwelt and historical niche). I wonder because evo psych is not typically called metaphysical yet Jung seems to catch flack for lacking modern jargon.
Absolutely incredible video dude, always was fascinated about this subject but could not particularly understand it based off just Jung's Books alone, Thank you!
When I looked inward and asked those questions I was trying to get answers for from the exterior world I realized I was a prison of my subconscious. I had some help.. Thank you Carl J.
Sorry if I missed something, but is the collective unconscious genetic or does it emerge from the human condition in a universal way? If the second option, how does that work for people in extreme cases, like Helen Keller?
I wish to see you one day discussing mario bunge's ideas on emergence and on the relation between social, biological and physcological. Great video, thank you so much, im a fan from egypt who disscusses your videos with his friends alot.
No way Mohab! That's awesome! Hard to imagine people talking about me in Egypt or anywhere but Ireland to be honest so this has brought a big smile to my face thank you. As for Mario Bunge I've never heard of him but the idea of emergence is a topic I find extremely fascinating and have been reseraching over the past few months so I shall take a look!
The source or origin of the religious, mystical or psychic phenomenon is yet to be explained or explored sufficiently, considering how prolific and common it is. It’s not called the collective commonalities or similarities, it’s called the collective consciousness. The theory would indicate something shared in consciousness. Shared indicating irrevocably and inexplicably connected. Individuation is not discounted and yet neither is a connectedness aspect that can’t be dismissed. Consciousness is aware of other consciousness through an aspect of the essence of consciousness itself. This is what Jung was talking about.
I clicked on this because I am reading the Red Book by Jung edited by SONU SHAMDASANI I understand that it was published in a straight forward book only recently (2009) and the readers edition in 2012. Jung thought he was going mad himself and he certainly visited some strange places when he embarked on exploring his own unconscious. No wonder he held this book back from publication.
If there's a resource at the level of thought energy that can be evolved to, and energy barriers need to be jumped to manifest as thoughts, it would make sense to see that as the give and take or "flip sides" of the same experience, like poking a balloon with a finger, it makes a negative impression that can then be used since it's a positive impression in that space, now it stands out from a base like an electric signal.
This was a very interesting video, and I learned a lot of new things. However, I’m not sure about the claim that adolescence transcends culture. In my sociology class, we learned about how some cultures in the world, mostly tribal cultures, don’t really have a concept of adolescence as a stage in someone’s life. In these cultures, someone is considered a child, and then at a certain age they go through an initiation ritual, and then they are considered adults. In Western cultures, adolescence tends to have some key traits: Having an undefined status, gradually increasing decision making, gradually increasing pressure on the adolescent, and an adolescent’s search for self. And adolescence tends to last for a period of years. In some tribal societies however, not all of these traits are present. So I’m not sure that adolescence is a trait of the collective unconscious, since it can differ so significantly between cultures, and some cultures don’t even recognize adolescence as a stage in someone’s life at all. Some cultures only recognize childhood and adulthood, and nothing in between. But I’m curious, and would like to hear your thoughts on this.
I don't think Jung really considered the tribal community. I don't think it is meant for that. So their collective unconscious may really be different cuz they are not included in Jung's work
What if the most accessible collective unconscious is that most close to use. I.e the phenomenology of our parents, grandparents and so on. Say spanning back a few generations being the most prominent. Would these tribal members, if thrust into western society behave as usual for a generation at least, until their new collective experience through that bloodline then began to Influence the unconscious of the next born?
Youre right, but the fact that there is a transformational process from childhood into adulthood that is biologically mediated is a constant that transcends culture.
I can't imagine a job that won't lead me into debt and illness. So, I over compensate by working on content from home and even on vacations. I literally am a workaholic. So, when my love told me to get a job, I was wondering if there was any truth to that for us to be a real couple. Did he say that just to pay me back for being mean to him or does it have something to do with our love?
I've considered the collective unconscious as the psychological waters that we swim in. It's the social mores that are so deeply embedded and that we are exposed to since birth that most don't even notice them, let alone think to question them. It's not metaphysical so much as it is ubiquitous. It's culture, but it is deeper than that as it includes counter-culture and the conflicting instincts to be both conformist and non-conformist.
I look at this timeline as the brain vs the soul. The brain is the collective unconscious to me (ego) and once you pass it you gain your soul (piece of the creator)
He states that a person does not become symbiotic with subconscious tell adolescents in puberty, what of a child’s dreams or nightmares of things they have not seen or experienced?
A collective unconscious in the sense that it would happen anyway without a culture of stories? Or do the stories create it? Where did the stories come from? Does the CU evolve through a natural selection? The synthesis to me is that we create stories in your mind as symbols and metaphors etc. that interpret our reality, while at the same time our created stories create our reality. The imagination is a way of accessing the CU. Well, I’m stoned so there you go!
As a question for Collective Unconscious are there things any of you have known but couldn't place where you had learned it. I have had instances of this and am wondering if maybe others have noticed this. Is it Collective Unconscious or genetic memory?
This was amazing ! 🤌👏👏to me, your dualism frictions of affections and logic really do transcend into an inspiring experience of enlightenment for me. I really appreciate you. I’ve always believed in the collective consciousness after reading Derek parfit literature on personal identity. But In terms of metaphysics- Antonio Damasio is a neuropsychologist who has ventured into the affections aka collective biochemical experiences of the human mind. I theorize that logic and reason is a bridging in metaphysics of those affections. And it’s how we transcend from oneself to altruism going beyond oneself through the mystical imagination. Anyways I don’t know, but love your channel !
Ah thank you Alexandria! It's funny you bring up Damasio he's someone I keep meaning to read but I'd never thought of him in this context so you've gotten me even more excited. I think I need to get me some Descartes Error at long last. Actually any idea where he talks about these collective biochemical experiences? That would be the most relevant to me now. I love this take and this perspective of yours and would love to read more of it
"A mental & physical component?" What is mental experience during the 1st year of life? Before our adaptation to thinking & speaking our 1st words? And within the unseen reality of our minds, are thoughts ideas, as an adaptation of innate imagination?
It's a good question David. Piaget has one set of answers and experiments that he ran to explore what that experience looks likes. The Jungian Erich Neumann also gives a really interesting ontogenetic/phylogenetic exploration of the topic in his book The Origins of Consciousness where he talks about a uroboric state of dissolution. Very interesting. I guess the bliss ego death state would be the closest to capturing what it's like but obviously difficult to really tap the experience of from our perspective
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Thanks for the response, it is indeed a great challenge. I just bought Iain McGilchrist's The Matter With Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions and the Unmaking of the World. Interested to see what he brings to Einstein's "no problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it?" Iain writes: "At one point I was going to call this book There Are No Things. I changed my mind when I saw that it might align me with a nihilistic trend in post-modernism that I deplore. It also gave the impression that I was arguing for ‘truth-as-correctness’ rather than ‘truth-as-unconcealing’." He offers the book as a hopeful synthesis of science & philosophy.
@@davidbates9358 great quote David. And an interesting angle on the problem. I think the more cross pollination we can get going the better. Different fields bring different truths to the table witu which we can construct the fullest picture (even his deplorable postmodernism!)
@8:05 "The turtles have no time to waste getting into the water. The turtles that do wait are all the more likely to die. Those turtles. from the moment they are born, run on pure instinct and make straight for the ocean." Do they really, though? "As there are many eggs in each nest, and they are buried several centimetres in the sand, baby turtles will hatch almost synchronously with their siblings to allow simultaneous digging to make their way out of the nest faster! This behaviour is called ‘social facilitation’ as the synchronous effort of many individuals might be needed to dig successfully through the column of sand above the nest chamber. This effort may take 3-5 days in total as intense digging activity also needs some time of resting. Once one of the hatchlings decides it is time to continue, its digging will trigger its siblings to do the same. Hatchlings are also clever in avoiding high temperatures. Emerging during daylight and under the hot sun can cause heat exhaustion, and the hatchlings will be more exposed to predators. Therefore, most hatchlings will emerge after the sand cools in the late afternoon or at night, or during cool cloudy days. Hatching simultaneously is also a clever idea to decrease the overall predation rate of the baby turtles as they leave the beach and swim out to sea. Once they emerge at the sand surface, they will quickly crawl towards the ocean." - Olive Ridley Project References: -Carr, A., & Hirth, H. (1961). Social facilitation in green turtle siblings. Animal Behaviour, 9(1-2), 68-70. -Rusli, M. U., Booth, D. T., & Joseph, J. (2016). Synchronous activity lowers the energetic cost of nest escape for sea turtle hatchlings. Journal of Experimental Biology, 219(10), 1505-1513. -Saito, T., Wada, M., Fujimoto, R., Kobayashi, S., & Kumazawa, Y. (2019). Effects of sand type on hatch, emergence, and locomotor performance in loggerhead turtle hatchlings. Journal of experimental marine biology and ecology, 511, 54-59.
Hopefully my collective unconscious is able to realize that i protect it from the left and the right the best I can from where i can perceive. A mutiny would surely mean disaster and enslavement by the very forces they accuse me of being. After they annoint themselves with the pheromones of the hive.
Great video as always. Would you say that that jungian collective unconscious is the same with the elephant mind from the elephant and the rider theory, by Jonathan Haidt?
Thanks Daniel! I wouldn't say it is exactly I mean it's a part of it. I reckon it would be personal + collective unconscious. It's the things outside of our conscious knowing
So I've been studying the soul mate cycle in tarot on you tube . Bare with me a second if you will. Now they mostly pull on your sun sign as a collective and read in it. I've been following for about 4 months now and I am without a doubt see my personal life show up instantly on readings that are collective . Now either I'm special and can effect the collective in my person life or there are that many of us going thru the same thing thats effecting it. How on earth is my personal life accurately being drawn on tarot collective readings instantly like boom if something happened the next day would show it as a turn of energies being read. It's nuts!!! I hope this makes sense. Because it's huge I'm having trouble making sense out of this. There isn't much to read on so far as I can find. Any thoughts you have would be most welcome . I am at a complete loss but know enough to know there is a whole lot more here than anyone realizes at this time. It's huge! I mean isn't it? So confusing . What is going on.
Are there broader and narrower versions of the collective unconscious? Say for example, instead of the collective unconscious of all of humanity, a smaller collective unconscious of a certain race or culture?
Fantastic content. This topic is so intriguing, I think of the collective unconscious as the evolution of the mind that has a trail backwards as far as humanity that runs in parallel with our physical evolution. To me it makes sense of the archetypes & the heroes journey that span cultures & creeds yet follow a very similar framework. Brilliantly explained, I was definitely ‘dialled in’ all the way through.
Ah thanks a million delighted to hear your were dialled in the whole way! I think that that's a great way of thinking about the collective unconscious and whatever about the metaphysical layer this is something that makes perfect sense. It's really just an acknowledgement of the subjectivity of living beings and that this subjectivity also evolves. Seems really obvious in that way
@@TheLivingPhilosophy how, assuming you know of it, would you think of the ‘story’ of the neighbouring islands inhabited by chimps (I think?) that were completely independent & separated by the sea, where 1 group began using something as a tool to eat & without physical communication the other group ‘knew’ how so did the same. I’ll see if I can find reference to it......used to said was the collective unconscious in action
@@TheLivingPhilosophy I used to think it was a myth or something until I found it was an accidental discovery during a research study. The 100 principal is mind blowing. Plays into the herd mind stuff I guess?
If we could align the dark subconscious (about 95% of our brains) with the conscious, my feeling is that great things can happen to us in our ongoing spiritual evolutionary progress as the human race.
Yes, but not it’s outward representations, just the inborn pattern making tendencies. It is similar to Chomsky‘s universal grammar theory. There is an inherited restraints and cognitive patterns which are universal. It would be silly to then conclude that English is the universal language. This is what people do with Jung’s theory. They mistake a set of outward representations as if it, itself, is the universal thing, no, it is the energy patterns of the psyche that produce the outward representations.
I think the collective unconscious is to our psychic like the mitochondria is to our body ..where in a personal synergy relationship with them but their our not personally out but belong to the whole human races ( also they have their on evolution progression out side of ourselves)😅
I wish Jung would of called it Collective Instinct( I reckon that all Instinct is collective.) instead of Collective Unconscious. I'm not convinced that the so called unconscious exists in any meaningful way for beings. This marker, unconsciousness, it seems to me, is an unnecessary horizon of self-consciousness which is ultimately confusing and, worst, futile. This is my opinion which could change tomorrow. Great vid! BTW, Freud was plagued for most of his life by superstitions that he couldn't tame. Freud was terrified of the occult.
So, you are equating Jung's collective unconscious with innate instincts, like the fixed-action patterns studied in ethology. But this is STILL quite "metaphysical". Please notice that biological and/or genetic determinism for complex innate behaviors has NOT been proven scientifically. In other words we have NO idea how a developing living being aquires their instinctive patterns of behavior and thought.
Of course it hasn't been "proven scientifically", science doens't prove anything; Proof is for Math and alcohol. As for us having NO idea? Clarifying question: You're not calling bullshit on the Theory of Evolution, right?
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I usually describe it this way: Imagine that the human mind is an ice cream. The collective unconscious is the cone, and the experiences of the individual are the flavour and sprinkles. Sure each ice cream is different, but they all use the same template to build upon
The worst comparison I’ve ever heard
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@@julianc691just wait until your ice cream has a melt down, then?
LMAOOO @@matthewkopp2391
@@julianc691 Not a bad comparison at all. To say such suggests that you are clueless yourself. Perhaps you just don't understand analogies.
Jung unlike Freud had formally studied philosophy, Jung's notion of archetypes derived from Plato's notion of forms, I believe.Freud of course ripped off Schopenhauer, Nietzche, Charcot and others. Freud: The Making of an Illusion by Frederick Crews meticulously analyses Freud's sources for his notions of the unconscious, this has import for Jung too. Anyone curious about Freud and Jung could do well to read Crews' book.
Hadn't heard of that Lean sounds really interesting thanks for thr recommendation
I think that the best way to understand Jung is that he was a shaman; an extremely well read, intellectually brilliant, self-initiated shaman who went down the into the underworld but didn't go completely insane because he had the self-possession and sheer courage to keep his critical faculties intact and the education to formulate his experiences into a theoretical model that could be communicated to others. You might think I am being hyperbolic but I believe that he belongs in the first tier of the great minds of western culture along with Plato and Aristotle. He has still not be given his due respect as our highly rationalistic unspiritual age is not capable of "digesting" his work. Hopefully that will change.
Totally agree Peter. I love Jung and for me he's closer to the mainline of Western philosophy than to anything going on in psychology. Even when you read him the references are more to Nietzsche Plato and Goethe than to any other psychologists (it being early days for the field of course). I think because he's in the box marked psychologist he's not considered as a philosopher but then again Plotinus isn't much talked about either and he's a fantastic Proto-Jung to my mind. Without a doubt on the top shelf of thought-provoking thinkers in the Western tradition.
@@TheLivingPhilosophy is Plotinus going to be the next video? That would be interesting.
@@michaelmcclure3383 hadn't even thought of it but that would actually be a great episode 🤔
@@TheLivingPhilosophy yes it.would!
Jung is so hard to understand because we have developed into the point of over-rationalizing everything. We make million casual assumptions about ourselves and the world and then we are surprised that the psyche does not behave the way we expect it to, but thats only a testament to our ignorance.
For me, one of the greatest discoveries connected with Jung's work is that the mind (and for that matter human behavior) does not speak conventional logic and you have to treat it as a complete mystery you know nothing about all the way down to simplest processes such as perception. Learning to understand the language of your dreams is a great way to start.
I really love the way you break down common misconceptions. Your Camus and Nietzsche videos are what hooked me in, but I love love love that you actually explain the major differences without snark or denigration. It’s hard to find intellectual correction without shame, but I think you do it really well.
Ah thanks Mat! I think other than that Camus video where I don't think I was the best at finding the intellectual balance I do try and strike a balanced point of view mainly because I'm quite confident that someone who knows more than me can school me in why I have overstepped so I'm always looking to leave myself open to correction without too much embarassment! Keeps me humble and willing to learn!
I think you’re doing great with it. I’m trying to be better about it myself, treating what I know like an ongoing discovery rather than a solid and definite truth.
@@matgonzalez6272 Thnaks Mat! Much appreciated! I think that humility is always a good option. Probably best not to trust what we know too deeply - the looser we hold it the easier it is to change although admittedly by holding it weaker diminishes the energy gains of certainty so there's that
It starts with Kant, for Jung, mainly.
(forgot to say this in my prior comment) I think it’s amazing that Jung’s psychological understanding was so considered “mystic” when it’s such a biologically sound idea; traits passed down akin to the turtles you mention, would perfectly explain our understanding of “sins of the father” and other weird sayings.
To frame it as a “collective unconscious” probably threw people off, but fully explained, it makes perfect sense that we’d inherit behavior patterns, especially with how easily children can be programmed in early years
"Give me the child for the first seven years, I will show you the man!" RCJ
What's your understanding of "Sins of the Father?, if you don't mind me asking.
There's also a growing field of study and research into trauma being passed down. Children of holocaust survivors have been really helpful in studying this and then there is work like that of Dr Gabor Maté regarding how so many patterns and suffering in adulthood can be traced to childhood and family.
@Sempress Yes. It's called Epigenetics. Trauma causes changes in the brain structure. So of course that would be passed onto their offspring.
@Sempress I've never heard of Dr. Mate before. Did a Google search on him and this is VERY interesting work that he has and is doing! Thank you for mentioning him, I will definitely be grabbing copies of his books. I have ADHD myself, so his work really hits home.
Edit: I just bought 3 of his books on Audible! Thank you again for mentioning him!
Honestly, the overall unenlightened masses can't make the judgement call when it comes to this stuff. The fact that people keep listening to what society has to say shows that they've given up free will forever, and thanks to that, their voices won't be heard at all. They've displayed obedience to what society's collective consciousness has decided, while never stepping out of line to the ideas and concepts that have been rammed into their heads straight from birth. These people have blindly swore allegiance to the "country" that controls their mind, and the "country" that controls their soul. When I mean "country", I'm referring to the metaphorical "country" of repeated ideas and propaganda that society has built-up. And these people live in ignorance and just "purchase" their happiness, in one sense, while living within this metaphorical "country". Most people can't escape from this state.
Overall, when blood and sweat is the real cost, thinking ceases and the truth is lost when it comes to society's way of living. The people that live in this state are told exactly what to do by the world around them, not thinking for themselves. Society BELIVES that they are helping these people and giving them the lives they need, and that they, the "righteous" in their mind, are succeeding, when in reality, the opposite is true. In society, the fires of greed will burn the "weak", which are the people who simply just listen to what society has to say, and they'll make freedom seem obsolete. And people think that this makes the fabric of society whole, but... the idea of "collective consciousness" will control the weak, as you will see, forever and always.
Oh yeah? what is your source senator?
@@patoti292 my source is that I MADE IT THE FUCK UP
YOU’RE BATSHIT INSAAAAANEEEE
What is being represented here? The stronger among us are personal responsibility minded people that are loyal to the system they work in, and they work hard to thrive within that system. Strength is fundamental to having a system of any kind. The problem with that is sometimes the system is corrupt. People at the top of corruption are always encouraging the type of behavior you are speaking of to create stupid weak followers. That is where the LEFTY comes in and refuses to give up their seat on the bus or send tax money to King George anymore. This is strength mindset vs fairness mindset. Oldest story in the book. The selfish vs the unselfish. The educated vs the uneducated. We're just monkeys flying around the sun on a rock. Primitive savages. Unga bunga bunga!
@@toomanydonutspolitically the term Left when it was coined was anti-Monarchist Republican, and right meant Monarchist, the term was coined in 1789. And the term in continental Europe remained similarly associated all the way til the mid-20th century.
The terms „left and right“ were not even popular terms in GB and the USA until the 1930‘s.
But when the term was coined Thomas Jefferson was in France (where it was coined) hence Jefferson was considered a Leftist by the French, as well as the USA in general.
Jung seemed to go the opposite way from those from James and Frued, rather than adopting the Lockean tendency of religiously extrapolating from 'natural' phenomena, he decided to follow the ancient Platonic method. He looked deeper than any thinker of his time, he sought the 'occult' because he wanted an even deeper insight than he had then been able to achieve. The interview where he said that he doesn't think, but knows that god exists, is very reminiscent of those of Plato in the Timeaus.
Yes! God what a moment! It's from that interview that I use in the opening clip. Really amazing. Totally agree about the Platonic connection. In the 20th century it was occult in Antiquity it was philosophy
Im surprised there's no comment yet about THE UNENLIGHTED MASSES and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance references
THE UNENLIGHTENED MASSES
The contents of the collective subconscience is beautifully illustrated by the Tarot.
Carl Jung was an absolute genius and his contribution to humanity can never be over stated. Jung is one of the finest minds in human history. Jung actually made the journey to the bottom of the unconscious psyche. The only way the collective unconscious can be proven and understood is by experiencing it for one's self. A person experiencing spiritual awakening or kundalini awakening, what Jung called "Individuation" directly experiences both the personal unconscious and the collective unconscious. This process takes years if not decades and involved intense suffering and inner work. At the bottom of the collective unconscious is the Soul or Self...a person's Divine Center and True Self. Few have realized it.
Thankyou again! Dr jung was (reportedly) so intrinsic in planting the seeds which contributed to the common solution in 12 step recovery from the disease of alcoholism. He suggested that there may be a spiritual solution to Powerlessness in addiction...(again reportedly lol I'm not stating this as fact 😅). Dr jung, in literature has been often credited with having conveyed step 2 which says "we came to believe...that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity" his studies in the power of the unconscious have been invaluable to my recovery. Thankyou for simplifying these concepts so profoundly for everyone! My goldfish brain really appreciates... and my heart treasures the inspiration you are bringing me in these presentations ♡
Delighted that you're enjoying them Dee! I was only chatting with a friend of mine about this last week and she was telling me in depth about how Jung contributed to the 12 step program so I do believe you are spot on. Very powerful legacy
Just to set the record straight :
Tantra discovered the collective unconscious and developed tools to transcend it thousands of years ago.
Actually for thousands of years Tantra has acknowledged seven levels of consciousness. Three levels below the conscious mind :
The personal unconscious,
The collective unconscious,
The cosmic unconscious.
Then there are three levels above the conscious mind:
The individual super conscious,
The collective superconscious,
The cosmic superconscious . When Jung visited India he was advised to travel south and visit the sage Ramana Maharshi who had realised and transcended the seven levels.
But Jung didnt go .......and the question is , Why not?
My estimate is that his personal unconscious blocked his path.
2:45 What a lovely generous letter by Freud to Jung!
Thanks so much for this. I have always avoided Jung because of the way I have heard other people use his work to justify some mystic BS that they’ve been exploring. This just confirms the need to read any philosophical work first hand to get an understanding of it, at least enough to comment on it. Love your work buddy.
Thanks James, great video.
So, collective unconcious may be "Carcinisation" of the unconcious part of our minds.
Ah wow I'd never heard of carcinisation Abdullah that's amazing. Totally agree
To understand Carl Jung, I started with Tom Cambell's TOE then got to Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance. I find those 2 people have the other piece of the puzzle. Dean radin will help make the connection easier.
Very clear explanation. Thank you.
My pleasure Otávio!
I think the body is a vessel for energy which is being honed through the experiences we have through life and the decisions we make good or bad. The vessel goes back to the earth but the energy seeks completion, and the energy holds all of your past memories and more which can and will haunt you during your next physical life in the form of weird dreams and unexplained happenings to yourself that may seem out of this world. I think all of the energy that has come from this earth is connected in one way or another so anything is possible.
Thank you! Great explanation of the collective consciousness that does exist but not many are willing to see the cause and effect of simply ignoring What Is! Oneness in everything 😎👍🤍
This teaches me that the unenlightened masses cannot make the judgement call
and give up free will forever because the voices won't be heard at all
by displaying obedience while never stepping out of line
The fires of green can’t burn the weak any more
I think there are a number of points to understand here:
1) The Jungian Analytic community has itself no single common understanding of the Collective Unconscious, and indeed Jung’s writings include a number of different, incompatible perspectives.
2) Some Jungian theorists (e.g. Dr Jean Knox) argue that we have to give up the related concepts of (1) the Collective Unconscious and (2) the Archetypes that ‘reside’ within it, as Jung is himself inconsistent across his writings about his own theoretical model.
3) Other Jungian theorists (e.g. Warren Colman) argue that Jungian theory should give up the idea of Archetypes entirely, partly because the concept of a-priory images somewhere ‘in the ether’ are an untenable scientifically; similarly other Jungians rebel since no neuro-scientific evidence for archetypes has yet been found.
4) Notwithstanding all this, the current most tenable theoretical model for the collective unconscious (and the archetypes) is based on the integration of some ideas from Biological
Philosophy (e.g. See Evan Thompson's Mind in Life) and Complex Systems theory. You’ll have to try to stay with me here, because it’s not simple and this will necessarily be brief:
- The model works bottom-up; firstly it establishes Jung’s concept of the Archetypes-As-Such (which is foundational to the idea of the Collective Unconscious) as being the Phase-Space of all
possible states of the complex system formed by the integrated system that is an Individual coupled-into their physical environment through (biologically) goal-directed sensory-motor
systems.
- Next, the model observes that Meaning arises biologically, through the interaction of the individual and their environment, through the biological necessity (and therefore biological meaning)
of the fulfilment of an individual’s biological needs within its environment.
- The model then observes that this biological meaning (specifically the biological meaning of all possible states of the integrated physical Individual-Environment system) must ‘reside’
somewhere. This ‘place’ is, firstly and theoretically, a further abstracted Phase-Space, this time the phase-space, not of the physical individual-environment system, but of the biological
meanings of the various states of the underlying physical individual-environment system.
- Having seen that, one then can see that this further-abstracted phase-space is in fact analogous to Jung’s Collective Unconscious; and furthermore that what this model is actually saying
is that Psyche itself is not a property of the individual, but rather a property of the integrated individual-environment system; i.e. that, at the level of depth psychology, Psyche is not
individual but is actually shared, across all individuals within a shared environment. The personal Psyche is then 'built' on this deep layer of the Collective (Unconscious) Psyche, firstly
unconsciously as the individual's deep personal, physical and biological experience of the shared individual-environment complex system, and then, consciously, as an overall, observing,
ego layer that developed as a later evolutionary achievement to support planning and monitoring of the individual's activities.
- This is, I think, the model that is closest to what Jung was himself experiencing empirically in his journeys into the deeper layers of his own psyche, what he was observing in his work
on/with tribal peoples in Africa, and what he was trying to put into a theoretical model with his ideas of the Collective Unconscious and the Archetypes.
I hope that in some way adds to the debate; and please feel free to come back to me on all this, if you are interested.
Best regards to all.
This is dope. Watching as someone completely uneducated on psychology, I find the examples and even just language used really well-placed.
On the video topic, thanks for bringing this to us - I could see why you might think such a concept deserves to be properly understood (at least in a general sense). I wonder if there's any modern interest in the collective unconscious as it relates to psychedelic experiences - I'm left myself wondering if the kinds of similar experiences that people have had through documented history (and over many different cultures) has more to do with innate human nature/collective unconscious and not simply personal unconscious in a coincidental way (to me, it'd seem more rational if the former). Maybe that's a silly curiosity, I guess I'll find out in an hour at most - if my psychological literacy is even adequate for researching it hahaha.
Thanks for your videos. It's not only interesting and helpful for my self, but arguably necessary content for all - as I'm sure you knew. Heading over to your Patreon, but I'll make sure to like and comment on YT still too.
Ah wonderful Gabriel! Thanks for the kind words and the support. You raise a very good point and an exciting one. The recurrent experiences from psychedelics are obviously not the focus of research at the moment - it's using the medical mental health route to get past the decades of stigma but I think once the field is fully accepted then we should see some very interesting studies around this sort of thing and then we might see a reignition of the collective unconscious as a paradigmatic concept and who knows a renaissance in Jungian thought! Optimistic perhaps but possible I would say
I personally like Lacanian psycho-analysis. But Yung definatly is under rated.
Well done dude. I totally enjoyed and understood your explanation of what I believe to be a very challenging and extremely interesting subject.
So the idea of the collective unconscious of Jung is, in some sense, also making a statement regarding some properties that we all universally share? When I was young I was taught that humans were a kind of "tabula rasa" where essentially all behaviors were due to relative social constructs one encountered in life. Now, instead, I believe in a universal human nature that is a bit hard to nail down precisely but nonetheless exists.
Yeah it is I mean I think as in so many cases of these hard binaries it's somewhere in the middle. We're certainly not a tabula rasa but also we're far from detrermined (looking around at the human world it's hard to argue with that). The way I see it we have a foundational wiring which is an operating system which is given and that allows a LOT of flexibility in how its executed on. The given programming isn't a straitjacket but a system that primes us for adaptation. At least that's my armchair take
Thank you and like to learn more about Collective Unconscious
the unenlightened masses, they cannot make the judgement call
Give up free will forever, their voices won’t be heard at all
A very good talk. Thank you.
Thanks Venkata!
Loved the way you explained everything, I'm currently reading psychology in bite-sized chunks by Joel Levy and trying to do my own research on the topics for a more in depth knowledge and this video really helped. Thank you for making this video!
There is so much guff written about yhe collective unconscious, personnally I think of it as the behaviours , fears and desires we have been gifted through our long evolutionary history. We all as humans exhibit these because they are part of dna blueprint. Fear of the dark, the attraction of a roaring fire etc
I really like this channel. Have you ever heard the phrase I don’t have to watch the movie, I lived it? I feel like that with music. I don’t have to listen to Pink Floyd‘s the wall because I lived it in my teens. I don’t have to listen to Roger Waters song 5:06 AM because I feel like I lived it. I never knew who Carl Jung was or anything about him really. When I start to think about him now, now that I am learning about him it’s like he can occupy my mind. Like a spirit that is alive. Then that spirit turns into material things that I can touch. Thanks for making the video I enjoy listening to you.
Wow that's fascinating Mark! I am dead curious for you to elaborate on that a bit. Do you mean you can just feel what he meant and grasp his point of view or you mean you can tangibly interact with him as a separate being? I am thinking of the Jungian practice of active imagination and thinking that this would be a great inner voice to have a chat with and learn a few things from
@@TheLivingPhilosophy I think he meant the former: feeling what Jung meant and grasp his pov. Correct me if I'm wrong Mark, because I felt this way too many times. Maybe this is because of "collective unconcious" or god really put something in our heads that we can hop onto each others' minds briefly. :)
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Hi, I grasp his point of view. The idea that thoughts can act like spirits and have a life of their own is new to me and very interesting. The house that I am sitting in at one time was nothing but an idea. Now it’s a house that I can touch or sit in. You can think about religion the same way. It doesn’t matter whether it is true or not. The spirit of the idea is going to manifest itself in the real world.
What I would be interested in is hearing rather or not other people can see their lives in their music. Not all of it just certain favorite songs. I’m thinking like this. Roger Waters is a creator of music and he has an archetype that he creates in. I feel like part of my life lived that archetype. Or I just have a similar archetype. I am wondering if other people can see this too because it is very obvious to me in my life.
@@Mark.Allen1111 ah yes I know what you mean now. And with the music tbing you're spot on. I have a resting point around Dylan but I like to listen to Biggie or Eminem in the gym sometimes to get me in a certain zone which I think of as invoking a more Martian spirit. It would definitely be interesting to sit down and map out genres and artists by the archetypes they invoke
True passion & conviction mixed w/mercy & care......that's what you've shown to me here. I hope to soon contribute some money to your works!!!
Love it very interesting about the inbuilt mechanism of the turtle running to the water
It’s true we seem to hold some instinctive memory perhaps this also relates to Nietzsche’s idea of the will to power which permeates all beings
You could definitely do a lot of exploration between the two concepts in fact I'd be surprised if Jung didn't discuss himself somewhere
The soul, itself, remembers!
Great video! Never read Jung, but I wonder is how seamlessly this fits in with modern evolutionary psychology. The two perspectives are chopped up a little differently because of time, but their premises seem identical (say the relationship between our umwelt and historical niche). I wonder because evo psych is not typically called metaphysical yet Jung seems to catch flack for lacking modern jargon.
loved this video, you explain everything beautifully
I'll keep this in mind whenever I fight a giant mechanized weapon
Absolutely incredible video dude, always was fascinated about this subject but could not particularly understand it based off just Jung's Books alone, Thank you!
Beautifully put my man, you're great!
Thank you kindly!
Its why I wrote my book. Because woowoo in it. But it helped me learn RV and understand why it works and how.
When I looked inward and asked those questions I was trying to get answers for from the exterior world I realized I was a prison of my subconscious.
I had some help..
Thank you Carl J.
Sorry if I missed something, but is the collective unconscious genetic or does it emerge from the human condition in a universal way? If the second option, how does that work for people in extreme cases, like Helen Keller?
Its only for normal people like people that follow groups ..Helen Keller wasn’t normal
Another great video!
I throughly enjoy the way you articulate these ideas, thank you
Ah thank you Michael! I really appreciate that!
I wish to see you one day discussing mario bunge's ideas on emergence and on the relation between social, biological and physcological.
Great video, thank you so much, im a fan from egypt who disscusses your videos with his friends alot.
No way Mohab! That's awesome! Hard to imagine people talking about me in Egypt or anywhere but Ireland to be honest so this has brought a big smile to my face thank you. As for Mario Bunge I've never heard of him but the idea of emergence is a topic I find extremely fascinating and have been reseraching over the past few months so I shall take a look!
Dr. Jung has been my hero for quite a while.
Thanks very much for your helpful video.
Carl Jung was just really good at analogies for his research conclusions.
Awesome video ❤ clearly explained about collective unconscious.
The unenlighted masses
They cannot make the judgement call
give up free will forever
The concept of the collective unconscious is fascinating if you consider the possibility that it might be true.
The source or origin of the religious, mystical or psychic phenomenon is yet to be explained or explored sufficiently, considering how prolific and common it is. It’s not called the collective commonalities or similarities, it’s called the collective consciousness. The theory would indicate something shared in consciousness. Shared indicating irrevocably and inexplicably connected. Individuation is not discounted and yet neither is a connectedness aspect that can’t be dismissed. Consciousness is aware of other consciousness through an aspect of the essence of consciousness itself. This is what Jung was talking about.
The video sounds great
Ah thanks Ben that's great to hear! Still some improvements to be made but glad to hear it's moving in the right direction!
I clicked on this because I am reading the Red Book by Jung edited by SONU SHAMDASANI
I understand that it was published in a straight forward book only recently (2009) and the readers edition in 2012. Jung thought he was going mad himself and he certainly visited some strange places when he embarked on exploring his own unconscious. No wonder he held this book back from publication.
If there's a resource at the level of thought energy that can be evolved to, and energy barriers need to be jumped to manifest as thoughts, it would make sense to see that as the give and take or "flip sides" of the same experience, like poking a balloon with a finger, it makes a negative impression that can then be used since it's a positive impression in that space, now it stands out from a base like an electric signal.
This was a very interesting video, and I learned a lot of new things. However, I’m not sure about the claim that adolescence transcends culture. In my sociology class, we learned about how some cultures in the world, mostly tribal cultures, don’t really have a concept of adolescence as a stage in someone’s life. In these cultures, someone is considered a child, and then at a certain age they go through an initiation ritual, and then they are considered adults. In Western cultures, adolescence tends to have some key traits: Having an undefined status, gradually increasing decision making, gradually increasing pressure on the adolescent, and an adolescent’s search for self. And adolescence tends to last for a period of years. In some tribal societies however, not all of these traits are present. So I’m not sure that adolescence is a trait of the collective unconscious, since it can differ so significantly between cultures, and some cultures don’t even recognize adolescence as a stage in someone’s life at all. Some cultures only recognize childhood and adulthood, and nothing in between. But I’m curious, and would like to hear your thoughts on this.
I don't think Jung really considered the tribal community. I don't think it is meant for that. So their collective unconscious may really be different cuz they are not included in Jung's work
What if the most accessible collective unconscious is that most close to use. I.e the phenomenology of our parents, grandparents and so on. Say spanning back a few generations being the most prominent. Would these tribal members, if thrust into western society behave as usual for a generation at least, until their new collective experience through that bloodline then began to Influence the unconscious of the next born?
Youre right, but the fact that there is a transformational process from childhood into adulthood that is biologically mediated is a constant that transcends culture.
I can't imagine a job that won't lead me into debt and illness. So, I over compensate by working on content from home and even on vacations. I literally am a workaholic. So, when my love told me to get a job, I was wondering if there was any truth to that for us to be a real couple. Did he say that just to pay me back for being mean to him or does it have something to do with our love?
I've considered the collective unconscious as the psychological waters that we swim in. It's the social mores that are so deeply embedded and that we are exposed to since birth that most don't even notice them, let alone think to question them.
It's not metaphysical so much as it is ubiquitous.
It's culture, but it is deeper than that as it includes counter-culture and the conflicting instincts to be both conformist and non-conformist.
I look at this timeline as the brain vs the soul. The brain is the collective unconscious to me (ego) and once you pass it you gain your soul (piece of the creator)
Great job on this video❤
He states that a person does not become symbiotic with subconscious tell adolescents in puberty, what of a child’s dreams or nightmares of things they have not seen or experienced?
The enlighten masses can make the judgement call
A collective unconscious in the sense that it would happen anyway without a culture of stories? Or do the stories create it? Where did the stories come from? Does the CU evolve through a natural selection?
The synthesis to me is that we create stories in your mind as symbols and metaphors etc. that interpret our reality, while at the same time our created stories create our reality. The imagination is a way of accessing the CU.
Well, I’m stoned so there you go!
Thanks for your post, I have bipolar type 1 , I think the mania I have experienced might of been the collective unconscious, I have things to do
Before we had an education system how did people attain understanding
love your points of views! tnx
Really interesting, thank you.
Wow thank you. What a great presentation. You are an amazing teacher. You explained this in a way even I can understand.
As a question for Collective Unconscious are there things any of you have known but couldn't place where you had learned it. I have had instances of this and am wondering if maybe others have noticed this. Is it Collective Unconscious or genetic memory?
This was amazing ! 🤌👏👏to me, your dualism frictions of affections and logic really do transcend into an inspiring experience of enlightenment for me. I really appreciate you.
I’ve always believed in the collective consciousness after reading Derek parfit literature on personal identity. But In terms of metaphysics- Antonio Damasio is a neuropsychologist who has ventured into the affections aka collective biochemical experiences of the human mind. I theorize that logic and reason is a bridging in metaphysics of those affections. And it’s how we transcend from oneself to altruism going beyond oneself through the mystical imagination.
Anyways I don’t know, but love your channel !
Ah thank you Alexandria! It's funny you bring up Damasio he's someone I keep meaning to read but I'd never thought of him in this context so you've gotten me even more excited. I think I need to get me some Descartes Error at long last. Actually any idea where he talks about these collective biochemical experiences? That would be the most relevant to me now. I love this take and this perspective of yours and would love to read more of it
one of your best vids, I reckon...
Ah you think!? Glad you enjoyed and happy to hear I've not peaked already!!
Since the human condition is universal at a conscious level it wouldn’t be a step too far to say we share it at a unconscious level too.
"A mental & physical component?" What is mental experience during the 1st year of life? Before our adaptation to thinking & speaking our 1st words? And within the unseen reality of our minds, are thoughts ideas, as an adaptation of innate imagination?
It's a good question David. Piaget has one set of answers and experiments that he ran to explore what that experience looks likes. The Jungian Erich Neumann also gives a really interesting ontogenetic/phylogenetic exploration of the topic in his book The Origins of Consciousness where he talks about a uroboric state of dissolution. Very interesting. I guess the bliss ego death state would be the closest to capturing what it's like but obviously difficult to really tap the experience of from our perspective
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Thanks for the response, it is indeed a great challenge. I just bought Iain McGilchrist's The Matter With Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions and the Unmaking of the World. Interested to see what he brings to Einstein's "no problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it?" Iain writes: "At one point I was going to call this book There Are No Things. I changed my mind when I saw that it might align me with a nihilistic trend in post-modernism that I deplore. It also gave the impression that I was arguing for ‘truth-as-correctness’ rather than ‘truth-as-unconcealing’." He offers the book as a hopeful synthesis of science & philosophy.
@@davidbates9358 great quote David. And an interesting angle on the problem. I think the more cross pollination we can get going the better. Different fields bring different truths to the table witu which we can construct the fullest picture (even his deplorable postmodernism!)
@8:05 "The turtles have no time to waste getting into the water. The turtles that do wait are all the more likely to die. Those turtles. from the moment they are born, run on pure instinct and make straight for the ocean."
Do they really, though?
"As there are many eggs in each nest, and they are buried several centimetres in the sand, baby turtles will hatch almost synchronously with their siblings to allow simultaneous digging to make their way out of the nest faster! This behaviour is called ‘social facilitation’ as the synchronous effort of many individuals might be needed to dig successfully through the column of sand above the nest chamber. This effort may take 3-5 days in total as intense digging activity also needs some time of resting.
Once one of the hatchlings decides it is time to continue, its digging will trigger its siblings to do the same. Hatchlings are also clever in avoiding high temperatures. Emerging during daylight and under the hot sun can cause heat exhaustion, and the hatchlings will be more exposed to predators. Therefore, most hatchlings will emerge after the sand cools in the late afternoon or at night, or during cool cloudy days. Hatching simultaneously is also a clever idea to decrease the overall predation rate of the baby turtles as they leave the beach and swim out to sea. Once they emerge at the sand surface, they will quickly crawl towards the ocean." - Olive Ridley Project
References:
-Carr, A., & Hirth, H. (1961). Social facilitation in green turtle siblings. Animal Behaviour, 9(1-2), 68-70.
-Rusli, M. U., Booth, D. T., & Joseph, J. (2016). Synchronous activity lowers the energetic cost of nest escape for sea turtle hatchlings. Journal of Experimental Biology, 219(10), 1505-1513.
-Saito, T., Wada, M., Fujimoto, R., Kobayashi, S., & Kumazawa, Y. (2019). Effects of sand type on hatch, emergence, and locomotor performance in loggerhead turtle hatchlings. Journal of experimental marine biology and ecology, 511, 54-59.
Hopefully my collective unconscious is able to realize that i protect it from the left and the right the best I can from where i can perceive. A mutiny would surely mean disaster and enslavement by the very forces they accuse me of being. After they annoint themselves with the pheromones of the hive.
thanks, good video.
the accent is addictive.
Great video as always. Would you say that that jungian collective unconscious is the same with the elephant mind from the elephant and the rider theory, by Jonathan Haidt?
Thanks Daniel! I wouldn't say it is exactly I mean it's a part of it. I reckon it would be personal + collective unconscious. It's the things outside of our conscious knowing
Very well said
So I've been studying the soul mate cycle in tarot on you tube . Bare with me a second if you will. Now they mostly pull on your sun sign as a collective and read in it. I've been following for about 4 months now and I am without a doubt see my personal life show up instantly on readings that are collective . Now either I'm special and can effect the collective in my person life or there are that many of us going thru the same thing thats effecting it. How on earth is my personal life accurately being drawn on tarot collective readings instantly like boom if something happened the next day would show it as a turn of energies being read. It's nuts!!! I hope this makes sense. Because it's huge I'm having trouble making sense out of this. There isn't much to read on so far as I can find. Any thoughts you have would be most welcome . I am at a complete loss but know enough to know there is a whole lot more here than anyone realizes at this time. It's huge! I mean isn't it? So confusing . What is going on.
Are there broader and narrower versions of the collective unconscious? Say for example, instead of the collective unconscious of all of humanity, a smaller collective unconscious of a certain race or culture?
Very good.
Fantastic content. This topic is so intriguing, I think of the collective unconscious as the evolution of the mind that has a trail backwards as far as humanity that runs in parallel with our physical evolution. To me it makes sense of the archetypes & the heroes journey that span cultures & creeds yet follow a very similar framework. Brilliantly explained, I was definitely ‘dialled in’ all the way through.
Ah thanks a million delighted to hear your were dialled in the whole way! I think that that's a great way of thinking about the collective unconscious and whatever about the metaphysical layer this is something that makes perfect sense. It's really just an acknowledgement of the subjectivity of living beings and that this subjectivity also evolves. Seems really obvious in that way
@@TheLivingPhilosophy how, assuming you know of it, would you think of the ‘story’ of the neighbouring islands inhabited by chimps (I think?) that were completely independent & separated by the sea, where 1 group began using something as a tool to eat & without physical communication the other group ‘knew’ how so did the same. I’ll see if I can find reference to it......used to said was the collective unconscious in action
@@dlloydy5356 Fascinating. I'd never heard that. I wonder how that is explained
@@TheLivingPhilosophy I used to think it was a myth or something until I found it was an accidental discovery during a research study. The 100 principal is mind blowing. Plays into the herd mind stuff I guess?
I’ve been posting a link to the study....RUclips must be deleting it! I’ll try on Patreon
For some reason, the collective unconcious reminds me of the Buddhist concept of Re-incarnation
If we could align the dark subconscious (about 95% of our brains) with the conscious, my feeling is that great things can happen to us in our ongoing spiritual evolutionary progress as the human race.
Is the collective unsconscious is transmited from generation to generation through the genome?
Yes, but not it’s outward representations, just the inborn pattern making tendencies.
It is similar to Chomsky‘s universal grammar theory. There is an inherited restraints and cognitive patterns which are universal.
It would be silly to then conclude that English is the universal language. This is what people do with Jung’s theory. They mistake a set of outward representations as if it, itself, is the universal thing, no, it is the energy patterns of the psyche that produce the outward representations.
Can you tell me name of the. Book where I can read about collective unconscious
very interesting
Excellent 🙋
Thanks Nolan!
If academics dismiss it.
'It' is probably worth looking into 😅
the unenlightened masses
They cannot make the judgment call
@@thehunter_3414 give up free will forever
@@touchgrass7129 their voices won't be heard at all
Display obedience
@@spooder5002 while never stepping out of line
Anyone bought here by shrooms?
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The collective of consciousness has a parallel in the internet.
I think the collective unconscious is to our psychic like the mitochondria is to our body ..where in a personal synergy relationship with them but their our not personally out but belong to the whole human races ( also they have their on evolution progression out side of ourselves)😅
We are a kind of chaos because das past continues to flow within us in 100 waves.
Stand your ground fight like a man!
I wish Jung would of called it Collective Instinct( I reckon that all Instinct is collective.) instead of Collective Unconscious. I'm not convinced that the so called unconscious exists in any meaningful way for beings. This marker, unconsciousness, it seems to me, is an unnecessary horizon of self-consciousness which is ultimately confusing and, worst, futile. This is my opinion which could change tomorrow. Great vid! BTW, Freud was plagued for most of his life by superstitions that he couldn't tame. Freud was terrified of the occult.
So, you are equating Jung's collective unconscious with innate instincts, like the fixed-action patterns studied in ethology.
But this is STILL quite "metaphysical". Please notice that biological and/or genetic determinism for complex innate behaviors has NOT been proven scientifically.
In other words we have NO idea how a developing living being aquires their instinctive patterns of behavior and thought.
Of course it hasn't been "proven scientifically", science doens't prove anything; Proof is for Math and alcohol.
As for us having NO idea? Clarifying question: You're not calling bullshit on the Theory of Evolution, right?
@@Tumbledweeb No, I'm calling bullshit on genetic determinism, or at least its simplistic version.
@@Faustobellissimo We're all good then! *fistbump*
Then sheldrake asks further where this unconscious information sits.
Buddha knew this long ago
Isnt that some metal gear revengnace shit?