❌ Why Ferrari's ex-boss can NEVER join Mercedes
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- While we wait to see what ex-Ferrari boss Mattia Binotto's next move will be in F1, one thing we know for certain is that he WON'T be offered a job at Mercedes
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Let’s not forget that Redbull was the one that actually forced the FIA’s hand by submitting different “theoretical and not at all related to what we think Ferrari are doing” specs and asking for a ruling.
and? you sound butt hurt blaming everything on red bull, your boy hamilton went winless and was out performed by george russell in equal machinery
It's a collab work from both RBR and Mercedes. RBR bait the FIA, and Mercedes bring their entire customer team to lodge protest
don't you remember Lewis saying that the Ferrari exhaust smell is funny (Spa 2018) and Horner mocking him and says he should stop moaning, just for him to go full karen mode the year after ! lmao
@@yugarten8523hamilton always does that tbf. Whenever he is behind someone you can always here him complaining on the radio hoping that the FIA will notice.
@@irradiatedice98like every single driver??
Funny how Toto the whole admitted team messed up and are trying to understand their mistakes so literally used Monaco to suzuka to test stuff to be able to simulate stuff back in the factory and accepted all their mistakes while Mattia never accepted any mistakes
???
You're not a clown you're the whole damn circus
Toto is a smart man. The dude has everything, and he's one of 2 guys who is at the top of their respective food chain in f1. Nobody tells Toto what to do from overhead. He basically has free reign of the team and is being a team principal because he revels in the personal challenge. Toto could easily walk away from the sport today and be on the shortlist for being on the Mount Rushmore of team principals.
Binotto was trying to shield people from the blame culture in Ferrari. It's easy to be honest when you have 8 constructor titles behind you. Toto never built anything. He inherited the team from Brawn, Lauda and Schumacher, with Lauda still holding his hand. Now that they are on an equal budget with other teams, they can't just spend their way out of problems. And still they need to get the FIA to change rules mid season.
@@Ruylopez778 Spoken with no logic and all emotion. Might want to do some more research into that or don't and stay angry
I like how in DTS, every time horner had the chance, he didn't even hesitate to show how he despised Mercedes to the bone 😂
He still respects them though. Him and Toto often talked to each other and they both make jokes
I loved the scene from team principal meeting where Toto was crying and blaming everyone else for their shit car and literally made FIA change regulations after just few races😂perfect theatre ftom Merc
Its not funny. Its disrespectful. He is in a position where should know better how to behave
@@Haarknoten96lame
@@BlazerManiacNumber96 we are talking about DTS and not about your life!
Why would Mattia want to join Mercedes anyway.
Yes, oh my God!!! 😂😂 that was literally my reaction! who the fuck asked this question ????
I don't think Binotto is prepared to live in UK. Maybe working for Sauber in Switzerland cause if I'm not mistaken he's from there.
Why come to UK and pay 45% tax and 45% NI while you can get paid in Monaco with 0% income tax 😂
He has worked for RB in the past mate
The food alone would keep him away lol
@@koruki sir, do you want extra beans and sausage on your pizza?
Congrats you predicted the future
Would be interesting if he ended up at Sauber. Would be a frosty relationship with Ferrari for the next few years but could come good in 2026 for audi
Andreas Seidl just stepped into that role, so that won’t happen.
@@hoverbike Seidl is CEO, not team principal. That spot is still vacant.
@@hoverbike Apart from the fact that Seidl is -team principe- CEO, not team principle, their skill sets are not the same and complimentary to each other. Seidl can built a team (at least this is what is attributed to him), Binotto can build an engine and lead a an engineering team.
I dont think VW want the guy who was team principal when Ferrari had their controversial engine in 2019. After all the bad PR they got from the emission scandal this wouldnt look too good imo. Furthermore Binotto wouldnt make a step down to being an engineer again.
@@djoetma Seidl was Team principal at McLaren,but now was hired as CEO! Inform yourself
It’s funny, Toto is involved every single time
because he loses money every time they dont win, he will bitch a moan go every single time it does not go his way.
@@MyrKnof Most team principals do with their closest rivals, theres a reason why theres a Karen Horner meme at the start of almost every season
Ferrari engine.......rule clarrifications.
Mercedes DAS......you can use it this season but it's banned for next season and beyond.
@@carlfrye1566 Don't forget in 2021:
RB has flexible but legal back wing: heavier testing loads;
RB is good at changing tyres, ban fast pit stops;
Mer front wing flexes, RB's clarification request is still in the "to read" mail box.
Oh yes, and 2 anti-porpoising rules between 2022 and '23 to allow Mercedes's 0 sidepods car to race, that created RB's current dominance.
@@MyrKnof They all start crying once things don't go their way.
FTX entered the chat 👀😂
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Bankrupt like crazy lol
@Jimmy Two Times Mercedes sponsor at one pojnt
They stole all investors money.
It’s infuriating F1 trusted FTX as a legitimate sponsor but won’t give Andretti-Cadillac a second’s thought
It's clearly different from how Toto and Christian deal with each other, which is a fierce-but-respectful rivalry. With Mattia, Toto's reservations are far more personal.
Don't think Horner has respect for Toto though.
Nah lol, Horner is a fascist. Red Bull are a fascist team in Orange and they are so much worse than Ferrari. Sorry, The Race, but you're wrong.
@@rosarioyeen1371 that makes them even better
@@rosarioyeen1371ppppfffft you're talking bollocks
@@rosarioyeen1371 "fascism is when i dont like someone"
This is just wrong. A team would love to have solutions that are within the grey areas. And Mercedes also abused the oil limits , especially in 2017. Ferrari just did it better
It's a bit like saying the UK will never unite with France....
Why would they want to?
Alternative title: Why water is wet
Mercedes is always quick to point out when others are exploiting loopholes and usually benefitted heavily. Whenever others protested something, it's legality was never questioned.
I like a few teams and i tolerate all the others but Mercedes, they're toxic to the bone.
Yeah... And Mercedes 2020 absolute domination didn't make anyone ask if that car was (il)legal.
ferrari is a shit team and mercedes isnt
Im so sick of people going on about Ferrari.
Who brought oil burning back into F1? WHO?! That's right Mercedes and when the FIA clamped down and introduced new limits on the amount of oil that could be burnt, who lied and said they would follow the new guidelines? Toto Wolff, then Mercedes went back to an older spec engine and burnt more oil than everyone else but nobody EVER talks about oil burning when Mercedes was dominating the early years of the V6s, but they did it and it's on record. Get over Ferrari thinking of a way to do the EXACT same thing.
What? 😂😂😂
@paper plane illegal suspension system.. haha if you're gonna bullshit, at least try to sound a bit more smart about it
Someone give this man some oil to burn😭😭😂
@@Brian_Njenga nah he's already sniffing on that gasoline
Alot of people know everything about nothing, you would think Toto sacked them lol
Dude looks like Boris from goldeneye.
"Toxic" it was a beatifull drama of will. Are we now supposed to be so sensitive we can't enjoy a bitter rivalry. Because we all did enjoy it.
Christian is somehow right about toto. He's not used to being the hunter and can only pout and whine when on the backfoot.
Mercedes were just butthurt about their dominance being interrupted. Well, now the see-saw is tilted towards redbull and Toto is still crying about having to work hard for wins.
Not so mate, afterall the 2021 loss to Redbull was enabled by the FIA Steward who caused the controversial win.
Bruh, Ferrari literally mad cheated with their emgones.... Tf you talking about
What about the times during 2022 when we saw shots of Toto & Mattia leaving the Mercedes motorhome.
Surely the relationship can't be that bad.
Yeah binotto was seen multiple times in the Mercedes hospitality and even shaking hands with Toto so this video is literally all bullshit
@@andreaferrari26 Exactly!! Why make a video like this, when there images on social media of Mattia & Toto.
@@lachlanbrowne1655 because it's the offseason and they need content?
@@lachlanbrowne1655 I think it was pretty much "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation going around for Binotto and Toto
All the drama just adds to the show, sometimes people dont get on with people (ehem Alonso), but most of it is just DTS type fake dramas to reel the kids in.
Fuel Additives
Rear wing flexing
Underbody aero 'interpretations' pre 2022
Oil burning
I could go on.
Mercedes being butthurt that they didn't come up with the fuel flow 'interpretations' that Ferrari did, is nothing but that; butthurt.
I mean as a Ferrari fan it’s kinda expected they wouldnt like something that was illegal
Ferrari were the ones burning oil when it wasn't allowed. Red Bull had the flexy wings. Fuel additives? Not a thing and illegal and this gets checked. Also, what Ferrari did was simply illegal. The were tricking the sensors that checked the fuel flow.
@@dud8905 all of those things are illegal too. Nobody took great offence to Mercedes.
@@hoverbike if they’re illegal then the fia has taken steps to tighten up on those things. Just like they did to Ferrari and there engine
@@dud8905 POV Tifosi teaches kids about F1
There’s one common person here in all the toxic relationships lol
It was worse. Remember not being allowed near the cars when static and putting covers over the aero
Im so glad Binnoto was let go. He had some very questionable calls during last year that cost his drivers multiple placement losses. Lecler deserves better.
That man had no idea what he was doing. He didn't take responsibliity, like that was probably the hardest thing for him to do and he brushed everything aside and said it was already planned like that and they did a fine job.
Such a clown. Not a winner for sure.
Well, as a technical chief Binotto is decent.
Hell I wouldn't mind if Ferrari signs him again, as for his stints as team principal, eh, he brought back Ferrari from the back of the field to top 2. Yes his behaviour as a team principal is quite annoying but Ferrari politics.
Who should've also taken blame for the shameful displays over the last 3 years
- Iñaki Rueda (already sacked)
- The whole strategy team back in HQ
- The aerodynamists because a ton of upgrades don't find any performance
- The mechanics because well... fucking up so often is a fucking disgrace considering you represent Ferrari
This rivalry was great, seeing how competitive it was. But the fans ruin it like always on both sides
These new fans ruin everything. Not just RedBull and Mercedes fans.
Especially those kind of fans that just hate drivers and teams for dominating, like in Vettel's succesful years. Absolute retards
@@Firemarioflower they don’t know how to be happy for people
Luckily, we all lost respect for Toto when he started acting like a spoiled, entitled child - so much for the value of his respect for others.
Toto is such unlikeable person
We?
Hilarious considering Merc's power advantage from 2014 till 2019 and even after that till Max finally ended their reign!! Especially since they forced the FIA to adopt the hybrid power units after Merc had secretly been working on it for 7 years before it was adopted! That was also how they had convinced Hamilton to join Merc !
The Mercedes hate is eating you bro , relax it's only cars racing
Didn’t know Merc developed an engine outside of the regulations, weren’t they just you know? Better than everyone else, at developing their engine and their aero package? That’s not an advantage, it’s just being good at their job.
Yeah such as Merc scoring 7 consecutive titles…. Not suspicious at all right……
There’s a difference between good engineering and Ferrari dropping off after tighter restrictions of the legality of their engine where placed on them
@@FoundationRingsTwice Bro, So why Merc done illegal tire testing with Pirelli at the start it's comtract for tire supply. Merc played well in lobbying the rules for Turbo-Hybrid Powertrain.
@@spaf7835belum any team could lobby 🤷♂️
@@spaf7835belum your point literally makes zero sense dude
They tyre test was in 2013 and a different spec tyre used across 2014-2021 so that’s irrelevant
Lobbying for certain rules is what F1 teams do - voice their opinions and wishes. Everybody does it in order to benefit themselves
@@spaf7835belum ONE test, and it wasn't illegal. And the lobby story is BS. Look up the actual history. Everyone found out about the regulations at the same time. Ferrari wanted a V8, Renault offered the idea for a V4 but was ok with any concept, and in the end it became a V6. The MGU-H there was no discussion about. F1 wanted this concept and there was no wiggle space here. If it was, obviously non of the teams would have opted for this because of the expense and how complicated it is. Mercedes simply had the best engineers in the beginning.
All teams have things that were banned or in a grey area of the regulations, toto was seen having conversations with binotto and also mercedes may want his knowledge and experience from ferrari, im not saying he will move to mercedes, i don't think he will but it's not a written off nove, mercedes probably don't want him for other reasons, they might have enough staff for a role that he might fill.
people are too quick to say "Never", in the F1 GAME.
When we all know contracts are broken, rivalries formed, relationships mended, all for The sake of money.
no offense but I don't think Mercedes would want him regardless so this isn't a situation at all ever
They're supposedly looking for Toto's replacement which was the rumour
@@twhiteofrd_1102 Lol Toto owns 1/3 of Mercedes so he decides when to quit
any team should want him unless there's something in the way (like this) of making it happen
he is very good in engine development
@@twhiteofrd_1102 😂🤣 Toto hold 30% shares of the team bro?!
@@supmikpaddleboarding5871 @Herschelle Collom Ik. He has said he is looking for someone to replace him in the short to medium term
james allison is from ferrari
Right, but he joined in 2017, so I'm not sure what point you believe you're making here.
Car prices falling, people underwater. Prices aren’t likely to fall to the actual value because dealers won’t want to take the loss. So is the money to be made here in the lenders providing short term loans dealers will need to hold inventory longer?
Somewhere there’s a big haul of money to be made in this. Auction houses should do well too as people play hot potato.
How is using the rules to your advantage a bad thing? That's literally the engineers' jobs.
Cause Mercedes likes to throw fits
They use the same rules to think of a way to make their car better. Not bending the rules nor using loopholes of the rules to make the car better.
@@Josehish mercedes not using loopholes? u sure about that?
@@atif1538 where in my comment have I mentioned Merc?
"they"
Literally Wolff was with Binotto as a team opposing to what Red Bull done with cost cap so IT doesnt make sense
Toto has spies in every team... Looks like they haven't changed one bit. You don't just get a "hunch" of something behind closed doors
I think I can count on my fingers how many times something like this has happened in the NFL but it seems to happen every single year in formula 1. I love motor sports but this is very unfortunate
Toto shouldn't talk. He joined the team when Ross Brawn and Lauda had already developed one of the most dominant car and engine of the turbo hybrid era. He rode on coattails of that legacy until the new regs came in, and he fell flat on his face.
Not true at all. Brawn GP used the V8 engines. Sure Brawn had good aero with the double diffuser, but RB caught up and surpassed the brawn car by the end of their 2009 championship season. You have to give Toto credit because he crushed the 2014 reg changes and led an engine development program that was the class of the field from 2014 - 2021. Sure they got the 2022 aero regs wrong, but an 8 year run of form is unprecedented.
Mercedes get upset when a rival starts winning? *shock and horror!
*better get maFIA to harass and disrupt the other team so they can win
Merc was one of seven teams to complain about Ferrari.
@@siphillis what about this year.
Flexifloors
@@IIGrayfoxII if their complaints werent justified they wouldnt be acted upon 🤭🤭
@@kristianharalambiev7685 Thing is nothing Ferrari did was illegal.
Mercedes was just bitching because they were losing.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaa, we cant fix our bouncing car issue, make everyone else slower.
The FIA really needed to grow a pair and tell Mercedes to shut up, no one else seems to be having the same kind of issues as you.
@@IIGrayfoxII it was illegal tho, saying what Ferrari did was legal is like saying it's legal for kids to buy alcohol with a fake ID
Pastaman lookin like Gus Fring in that clip
Lmao yet Toto didn’t have a problem with Mercedes knowing the engine hybrid era regulations years in advance to their competitors and then pushing to lock the engine development which led to the most dominating car in F1 history, with that he was ok…
Why are you guys acting like Red Bull wasn’t questioning Ferraris engine either? 🤣Hoerner was out here saying it was something up about the engine as well.
Truth be told, it was in 2020, I actually starting watching F1 to where I am now i.e. in 2024, and I am quite startled by where the Ferrari team principle left off, on respect/admiration from Toto. I just await, on one hand, the relationship Lewis builds with Ferrari and extent not cut off from Team Mercedes. Thinking about his move, makes it feel even more awkward for me.
Not that I hope the best for him to gain that 8th Championship. It's his carer journey and I will support along the way. But that is all yet to come.
Verstappen still sparked that illegal engine myth though.
Red Bull were bigger rivals to Ferrari than Mercedes who were too far up the pace, untill Ferrari caught up in the second half but even then the other 2 teams had superior race pace. RedBull arguably was the better car in 2019.
It was down to Vettel's and LeClerc's skill to stay ahead so far.
I get it now.... so Audi's Board has told Mr. Wolff they need a scape goat for next year to put a blame on project that is not having strong enough traction. And so Mr. Wolff replied: it's simple- take Binotto.
Lets be honest. These lot, including toto will do anything to win the championship.
Keep this tool away from any team
pushed Mercedes close to what ? Im not english I didnt understand the word. What pushed Andy Cowell to leave ?
crying Toto is crying
I dont know why but the last pic makes me sad
No, nope and nein…that particlar dispute wasnt toxic, it’s just that the F1 poster boy lost it … I get the feeling you’re gonna bring it up for years to come. Put it to rest.
Crystappen the poster boy? You’re right
And somehow, Mercedes keeps pointing the finger at the other teams to blaim them for toxicity
I mean merc was so good Ferrari literally cheated and still lost and Red Bull went over the budget and just barely won the drivers championship
Ikr? Toto is such a cry baby.
This level of scandal as a result of character assassination is why I stuck with WEC as a preferred racing form.
Why would he want to work for a losing team anyway?
Money, chance to build them back up.
He had no problem working at Ferrari for as long as he did.
„A losing team“ mate one season of misfortune and everyone forgets the last 6-7 years. Some of you deluded fans amaze me. In a negative way
@@mothafuckensteverogers4210 Boo hoo hoo.
@@cremilar typical american moment
People also need to remember when dealing with team principles Toto is 1/3 owner of Mercs.
Funny now, how Toto and Fred have a really good relationship.
Vettel wasn’t too happy with the team either.
hmmmm. seems Toto and Lewy are a good pair. Blaming others when things dont go their way. Ferrari and then RB
Does Toto drink during the day? He does.
Only when he is awake
I bet Ferrari is asking him to do it again and he refused, hence his exit and their dramatic improvement
Not possible they put sensors in place to make sure this wouldn’t happen again.
Hmm, Red Bull v Mercedes & Ferrari v Mercedes rivalries became toxic, I wonder why. When you look at the two separate rivalries, there’s one common denominator.
The Best toxic competition was Nico vs Lewis
So what you just said was “Ferrari didn’t do anything wrong, and redbull (the fia favorite) piss and moaned enough to make them change the rules.” Or did you misspeak?
Conclusion: Toto is a whiner.
They did our boys dirty.
Can we all take a moment and have a laugh at lewis choice to leave for Ferrari 😂😂
Strange had the information about what Ferrari was doing never came out in the public.
It did, it was a hole in the regulations that allowed a fuel censor to be bypassed. It was not properly worded in the regulations, hence no penalty could be given.
Binotto has even confirmed this more or less.
ftx logo on the mercedes is crazy
So Ferrari winning races caused Mercedes to burnout and people to quit? Sounds like that was more of a Mercedes internal issue
In the end... Mercedes can go.......itself
I'm betting he winds up with Audi, or, on the outside chance the US-hating euro teams let Andretti in, he coukd end up at Andretti-Cadillac...
Because we all know that Mercedes neeevver brakes the rules.
Well, they haven’t. Unless you have an example?
@@dianamaioru497
-Secret Tyre testing with blacked out helmets.
-Illegal Rear wings, San Paulo
- google the rest for yourself
-your welcome
@@pgmallon All those are false and debunked, dummy.
- the tyre test was not secret, it was approved by the FIA, and 100% legal
- Mercedes didn’t have “illegal” rear wings. Those were confirmed on the RedBull in 2021.
- “San Paulo?” Idk what this is supposed to mean.
Shows you don’t know shit lol. Making up lies is pathetic. 😂
@@dianamaioru497 Sure. Hamilton was dq'd there. Dummy. False? Lol
How can they “brake” the rules… rules dont move from one place to other on wheels😂😂
Are we talking about Binotto, the Binotto who oversaw the collapse of the word strategy? Would you really want that "efficiency" in your team?
Toto Wolff is a real Chunt!
Mercedes wouldn't want sBinotto .
Rule clarrifications midaeason for Ferrari.
Mercedes can uae DAS this season but next season it is banned.
Ok.
Funny how the whole paddock has to dance to the tune called by Mercs...
Yes, again.
Yes porpoising and the wheel guns. FIA is so far up the butt of Mercedes. FIA denies it, but I don't believe them.
Mercedes crying about other teams doing "illegal" things (while the cars actually got green light!) while getting exclusive tire testing deals and rule changed they asked for...
So Toto is the toxic guy of F1?
toto and binotto need to kiss
What would Binotto do at Mercedes? he is pretty old to change tires and my cat is a better race strategist
Binnoto was a HORRIBLE team principal anyway
I won't hire toto for a Karting team
What the hell do you mean “Toxic” it’s rivalry, it’s not a friendly sleepover. Stop using that word.
Of course - if Mercedes is doing something to it’s engine to make it faster it’s all fine and nobody is suing them - we still do not know whether their engine has been legal - it seemed to have a massive performance drop in 2020 after the Ferrari case. But if it’s Ferrari that is going fast, then Mercedes is crying and going straight to the FIA to slam Ferrari with everything it has - which basically means half of the FIA bc half of them are the EX-Toto Wolf employees.
@brotinger_1 well according to Marko, they were given the evidence by Mercedes, so why wouldn't they use it, they had championship positions to gain
@brotinger_1 certainly not as much as Mercedes did
It’s easy to say you won’t hire someone when they never tried to get a job with you
He can never join Mercedes because they don’t want him
Someone's respect is last thing ferrari needed
All I noticed was how completely shit that Ferrari paint was.
Mercedes team is like a American politics
Lol Toto sold the design of his old car to Aston Martin and the Mercedes team people know now was built off of the stolen designs from McLaren so it seems Mr Wolff does not know the meaning of irony 🤣
Naaah, he's going RBR.
Next thing you here ,...has got a job there :)
I blame drive to survive for giving these bosses inflated egos. No one cares about the intra-team politics. We here for racing
To fight a toxic team sometimes you became that you always hated...
So Mercedes is upset where they start to lose. They cry all the time
Why would anyone thing he would go to Merc?? Does this channel know F1 or are they just winging it?
Toto stays mad
Nobody! Ferrari cheated with the flexible fuel lines at that time! But yeah, ... Toto, Hamilton and now even Russel are always whining! - I heard Masi is still recieving emails from Toto! - (stolen from comment)
Hate f1 as they hate innovation
It's funny isn't it. How shallow Ferrari's pride is. Speaking Italian is a priority and yet, no integrity.
Mercedes isn't innocent either, what they did to Bottas was brutal. But at least they didn't gaslight him by pretending it wasnt happening and they didnt sabotage his car.