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I like the bucket seats but make them so you can spread them apart. ( like the 2024 Revel) Even though you can’t sleep 4 a lot of people would like the ability to use the van for long trips with another couple.
Everything you said is spot on! Winnebago tried to fix bathroom issues with a layout fix instead of just creating a better filtering system. They could also consider some kind of design like the Westfalia chairs in the front that turn into a bed but still give you seatbelts and seating. Just make it for one person. You could still seat three and then also sleep at least two (maybe three with two kids in the back and an adult in the front). Now... the mirror in the bathroom. You height impaired people need longer mirrors. Us correctly sized short people would find the mirror just fine! 😄 Why does no other RV maker copy the "G" design? Only guessing, but maybe because of what you mentioned... the bed is too small for two, and no fiddling with the design can change that. A side to side bed that can sleep two shorter people and still give you room for storage, bathrooms, and so on A front to back bed can sleep two longer people, but takes up a lot of space,.Winnebago's design gives you the tall bed of the front to back design, but also the extra space for the bathroom and storage of the side to side design. BUT... the compromise is... only one person in that bed. I have a feeling designers don't like that, and apparently, customers don't like it either since the "K" design is so much more popular. Just thoughts. Be seeing you!
G floor plan has no where to lounge and nap during the day. It's dark inside! Everyone knows the K is better! Lol. Actually for working on the road the G is best. For leisure travel the K is nice with big windows and permanent twins convertible to king.
“Everyone knows the K is better”… and that is why it is so copied, but not improved.. Please visit www.adria-mobil.com to see what can be done in a 22’ van
I loved the G floorplan that you have with the puzzle bed. I did not like any of the changes they made and agree with everything you said. They need to change it back to the way it was!
Absolutely agree with all 4 points! Now I can stand to do all the showering stuff because I am 5'4", however, if I have visitors, you're right if they're taller than me it's an issue.
Yeah, Winnebago "remodeled" it to cut cost. The bed looks unfinished because they went to slats instead of using the Froli system. The jump seat is absolutely needed and the upgrade should have been placing a railing behind it so you could use the back cushion with the door open without fear of folks falling out. The only other floor plan that rivalled this was the 23L in the Viva / Trend and it was discontinued. The 23L floor plan and the original Travato 59G floor plan should be taken on by another van building if Winnebago won't do them. I suspect there's a patent that hasn't expired yet.
I agree with everything you said and add one. I like the concept of keeping the water selecting valves in one location but the fresh waterfill must be the outside of the van not with the rear door open.
Yeah. A better use of space in yours. Although I can understand that other one too. They claimed people complained about your jump seat. So move the TV where you can see it from bed. Like the newer ones. And keep your 3 & 4 seats and placement of the home operation gauges. And it's downright hurtful that they still raise the floors in the wet baths. That males no sense to me
They need to bring back the puzzle bed, the shower; well bring back the original floor plan that started the B craze. Great video, I hope they listen to you (westfalia's new model seems to be a Travato G killier IMO, what are your thoughts?)
Do you think the table is fixable with something aftermarket? I’d much rather have the expanded table too. There other issues don’t impact me much since I’m smaller. If they just fixed the front, it would be perfect for me. (Well, more perfect if it had no propane).
I'm with you. The "new" style 59g Travato is a disaster. But you know, they could have 3-point seatbelts on the dinette bench. Winnebago did it in the 2015 Trend 23L, which is kind of the B+ version of the 59G. My wife nixed the 59g as too small, so we ended up with the Trend 23L which is a foot wider and a few feet longer, allowing for a dry bath, a closet, and a L-shaped counter in the kitchen. She loves the dry bath, closet, and L-counter. It's basically the same layout as the 59g, but with everything behind the dinette mirrored left-right.
Ihave an opportunity tobuy one a few years old for a very good price. After seeing the older one, I prefer that or. The enemy of good is better. We plan on using it for day and short trips with grandkids. Need the front bed, and larger table.Would also like to see a cassette toilet option. Would move the tv to the opposite wall so those sitting in the second row seats can use it as well as those sleep ugi the back
I like the rooms of the G better than the openness of the K. I had a friend that said, "some people want to live in a fish bowl, others prefer a cave." The K is for fishbowl people. I'm, apparently, a cave dwelling introvert. But the real deal breaker with K is the fridge. It's under the counter, so it is much smaller than the one in the G, and it's harder to access everything in it. You have to bend over, squat, or kneel to get anything that isn't right at the front. Similar problem with the microwave.
The original G model Floorplan is so much better , what were they thinking of eliminating the front bed and much smaller table ?? Making the bathroom smaller was another terrible idea . I would only want the floorplan in your G model Travato .
Spot on! If the designers would actually travel and spend significant time in these vans I bet a lot of those design decisions would change! It's a good opportunity for another builder - ah-hem ;-) - to step up and make this floorplan with some good design decisions.
I like the New Model better myself. This would be my daily driver vehicle as well as my RV and although I am single I would want the look and capability of taking friends and family with me as my daily vehicle places and have more of automobile seats that are 3 point safety belts rather than an RV Bench/ Booth Seating type situation for them to stuff into. I would never use this van to actually do traveling with 4 people so there would be absolutely no need for making up that puzzle of a front bed to begin with. Plus I believe that this floor plan is available from Winnebago in some form with a Pop-Top if I’m not mistaken. Plus you state all of the time there is no other RV Manufacturers making this floor plan, there is and has been for quite some time other RV Manufacturers making the same floor plan as yours as well as the new one. In fact I know one right off the top of my head is Airstream Rangeline, and there are at least two, maybe even three other RV Manufacturers making this floor plan as well. You have even done video tours of several of them over the years. The bathroom height situation absolutely 100% needs fixed, thats just ridiculous as it is. But the Murphy Bed in the new model is a huge improvement over the older ones, that older bed with the cut out angles and such was really really bad. At least the new design you can sleep 2 people. The New Floor Plan is 100% for me! I would struggle making the decision to buy the older one because I would be forced to keep my car as well as the van so I could still take friends places with me safely and not make them feel they were thrown into an RV booth dining table to go with me.
My favorite model of all B's! The only thing, there is always this ONE thing that breaks the deal. For this model is the bed is just a tad too small. You would like the shower wider but I wish this model would be more comfortable for couples. Have to stick with the Roadtrek ZION SRT. If Winnebago made this model with larger bed...
Ahhhhh…..change is hard, Scott! Love our 2023 GL and could not imagine any changes backward towards the previous models. The jump seats are straight out of the Flintstones but we only use them as a footrest as we watch movies regularly. It holds pillows and blankets nicely. The table was the first to go as it takes up so much space in any position, and heck, we don’t even eat at the table at home, nor do we work on the road. The bathroom is a small price to pay for the added space for two in the bed as I rarely see solo travelers in these camper vans. It’s a huge improvement in space usage. The system panels are perfectly placed above the door imho, having flown aircraft all my life, and it would be a pain to have to deal with them tucked under the TV. We are always walking by and it is so easy to take a quick peek. Or to duck in from outside to perhaps check on the water level you are adding. I have no issues in the bathroom at only 5’9” and if I have shoes on it is simple to just duck a bit. It’s definitely not for 2 larger folks. That would be the K. (with that dorm room fridge). But at this price point, it’s best they leave that room in the bed. With over 22,000 miles in 14 months I can’t imagine a better camper van setup for us.
I’d agree. I can’t speak to the previous model but I like the current model layout. Agreed, that the extra room for sleep is a must for 2ppl. We see value in the 2 jump seats for day tripping with family/friends or for a dog station. Also, we plan to purchase an additional lagun table for added work space (hopefully 2 can fit at the same time). Picking ours up next week. The k twin beds are cool, but that small fridge with no true dinning area is a hard pass. Let’s not forget the cab bed system, haven’t tried out yet but can sleep 1 additional person or just have an extra place to get some needed space.
you are mostly right.... I have a 2020.5GL (same floorplan as your '19G). I am typing this sitting in the bench seat, which I use on every trip. The original dining area with bench seat, jump seat (with extra bed) and swing out table extension is the ideal configuration. Making the bathroom shorter and narrower is exactly what you say... dumb (ok, you didn't say that, I did); in GL models, moving the inverter from the jump seat to the under-bed storage area reduces the already limited onboard storage, so that's #5. IMO the best model year configurations and features was 2020.5 & 2021 G & GLs.
Scott, good video and good comparisons to your 2019 model to 2023/2024 models. I like your four suggestions to Winnebago to redo the future 59G and 59GL back to 2019 style. Now if other class B manufacturers were to start making the old 59G/59GL floorplan I am sure it would sell. Simi Gee
Absolutely agree. The only good quality ( emphasis here! ) RV manufacturer offering the old G style functional layout today is Roadtrek with the Pivot and the new Westfalia. Up the lithium to 800 amp Roadtrek and I’m game. Although I think Winnebago is working on a new Travato G, GL.
Hi Scott, I enjoy watching your videos , thanks for all the info over the years that I’ve been doing my research. I just bought a 2017 Travato 59k and I’m wondering … I know you are buds with the guys at the Winnebago factory and I’d love to swap out some items to refresh my older version … for instance the gas line area is a good deal rusty, I’d like that to be updated, the windows have the horrid pull down 1980’s shades and I’d love to update those with the shades you have. These are just a few ideas .. wondering if you could do a video on what Winnebago can and can’t do to upgrade older models people buy. The van only has 34k miles on it and has been treated well but I’d like to give it a makeover if you will … what do ya think?
Kudos Scott ! Your videos are always interesting. I agree with you 100% in fact, I'm looking for a 2020 , 21 just because of the stupid changes they made. P.S. winnebago claims a 10 year life and 8 year warranty on the lithium batteries. Does that mean that after five years, they only have 50% of the original Wattage? I know that you mentioned something on one of your videos, but I can't find it. P.P.S. Do you happen to know when was the last travato made with the absorber refrigerator ? The "fit rv" exchanged their fridge for one with 2 compressors because the ice-cream melted....
Scott, couldn’t agree with you more… wife and I have a 2021 GL. Winnebago must have built that van for kids or really short people. They can completely remove that screen/filter that’s inline with shower drain if a bilge style pump. Those bilge pumps are very durable and will pump anything. We like propane burner. It gives you another option to cook if you’re low on Volta. ✌🏽
We have a 2018G and agree with all of these suggestions. The changes WGO made (plus the water control panel INSIDE the back door are deal breakers for us
Hey Scott. I think we have learned from your Off Highway Van video that even if the desired revisions to 59G floor plan materialized the chassis AWS software issues would preclude a lift for later than 21 chassis. I suspect you would trade that loss for floor plan revisions? Do you know others who lift Promaster in a different fashion that would not challenge the software?
I agree the bench seat and lowering the bathroom floor again would be a great move for Winnebago makers to adopt. However, I don’t agree about a fixed table. The lagoon style makes for much easier movement especially for larger people. You’re thin and smaller/medium built. I actually originally lived and wanted the GL model, but unless you’re traveling alone like you do, I find it isn’t the best model for a married couple… at least not an middle-aged to older married couple. The bed is too small. I need space to move around. I don’t like cuddling close all night. Cuddle time then give me some room and space to feel cool and comfortable and to get in and out of bed to use the bathroom without climbing over my partner.
I think nobody copies that design because it really only sleeps one. Many couples travel together and they want space to sleep 2. Even though I would be a solo traveler I don't like that 59G layout because I want a bigger sleeping area for myself.
My wife and I really enjoy our 23 59G the way it is but my biggest peeve is having to push the sump pump switch when draining the grey water. Someone mentions the drain water has to go over the rear axle. Wish they could have designed it better.
I totally agree. My husband and I were looking for a van last year and I was watching your videos and was so excited about your floor plan. We eliminated the Travato from our top list because the great room space changed. It was great to have a larger more permanent table with ability to have another bed without bringing an air mattress.
I don't like the automotive seats either. I have a 2020.5GL and love the bench seat and ability to have a second bed. I don't watch tv, so the placement doesn't bother me at all. The only thing I would change having the table lower on the hydraulic leg rather than the fold up leg.
It doesn’t spear that Winnebago has consulted people that have this floorplan (like you) as to the need for changes to make the best use of the space. I agree with you on the shower change.
good video - i recently toured a brand new 59G and i noticed the shower was really cramped feeling for me - couldn't understand it till I heard what you said in this video about the redesign making both shower floor higher and wall curving in
We love our 2021 Travato GL. Agree with your points except we would also miss the bench seat in front of the door. We use that seat often. Also, the electronic components inside that seat are under the bed in the new G floorplan. That lessons the underbed storage. Do prefer the galley, refrigerator with the freezer drawer, and the hot water recirculation system in the new floor plan.
I agree with you about bathroom. The bed is still too small for two except in a pinch. So make bathroom more functional. I personally like the idea of a bench that faces the sliding door that converts to a second bed.
Hi Scott! I love the new floor plan without the jump seat it gives more floor space for my two dogs otherwise they would have no where to go. I agree with you I think Winnebago needs to put back the bench seat and the table, but still need to put in the 3 point seat belts along with the tether harness for car seats. I can't believe they had it in the prior floor plans and took it out. Many of us bring our grandchildren with us and the tether harness is a safety issue. The generic Lagun table is awful!!!!! I would like to see them add back the extra space in the shower. You mentioned the mirror was lower being short I would like that mine is too high. I would also like to see the closet a bit wider. I think the 22 and 23 are smaller than the previous ones. I may have mentioned to you I think they should move the buckle to the middle of the bed. I find it hard to reach when I have things stored in the garage area. I keep my clam tent and my extra gallons of water there and always having to climb over these things to reach the buckle. Either that or I need longer arms. I still feel the G floor plan is the best out there!
I had the same van as yours, it was diesel. The only reason I let it go was because the bathroom took up all the bed space. I chose an older model Roadtrek that had the shower in the hall but would buy this van with the old bench seat again and remodel that bath.
i do love that layout, particularly the murphy bed area, id have that design in a heartbeat. Sadly id be beaten to death by the clips on the top cupboards - or poss put my eye out 😵🤣
Being single and not having other people in my van, i do not need the extra seats. I would rather have more storage in that area, some kind of fold out table to eat on or work from. All the rest is fine with me.
Scott you are DEAD ON man. I have a 2019G and really love puzzle bed options. One thing you didn't mention was COUCH mode which I use abour 80% of the time. In that mode the jump seat makes a great ottoman/recliner. I would HATE to have a K with such a small "lounge" are up front. Another commented on how the bed area is fairly unusable when the but is folded up and I'd have to agree. I'd always thought a reclining seat back there would be a great option. Anyway great video and I hope us G-Lovers will get a decent option going forward. Until then I'll never give up my 2019.
Thanks Scott ! I’m so glad I have your floor plan! (2019 chassis with a 2020 59G fit). I am looking into having Piotr somehow figure a way to do an “assist” with lifting the bed. It’s REALLY heavy for me and maybe a thingy like they have for keeping your hood up would help with the heft of that murphy bed…
I wouldn't argue with your changes, Scott. I still prefer my Solis PX hardtop but there are a few things I'm jealous of: the microwave, larger fridge/freezer and bathroom (with sink)!
oh, btw, when I went to Rover Vans, Piotr was very interested in our floor plan. That’s when I mentioned my challenge with how heavy the bed is. He might have been inspired by our 59G plan… ;)
I just looked at the Travato 59g and a Jayco Swift 20a (Jayco version of Rich's Eeyore). The Swift solves some of your issues. People use the Luno bed in the second row to add an additional sleeping area up front. Surprisingly, the mid bath is roomier than the Travato (it doesn't slim down in the back) and actually is the same size as the back bath that so many units have. For you, I assume sleeping in the kitchen may be a problem, but many single people use the back bed as a twin and not a pullout double. For me, your floorplan would have won me over. Now I will go with the Swift 20a since it will sleep 3 and has a nice bathroom. Since I won't be living full time, the back slide out bed is no different than I have been doing with my small trailers for years.
I think 2020.5 and 2021 G and GL were the sweet spot. Added insulation, quiet AC, and other improvements. As a solo traveler, II keep my 2020.5GL permanently in couch mode. Love my controls where they are, as I have a shelf over the slider that provides loads of storage. I don't mind the jump seat at all, use it as a footrest, and my corgis like to lie on it. Like that my bed doesn't have that leg, as I have a dog crate under the front portion of the bed. I do like the permanent faucet in the redesign, instead of the rinky-dink folding one, that is easily changed, and they got smart an finally made that space by the fridge into a pantry, another easy fix on my year. I hope to have many more years in my rig and that by the time I need another (if ever), that there will be something more practical than the current G floorpan.
Agree with you. Love our ‘19GL. But cannot update to the newer iteration. Bring back the bathroom to its old dimensions and the front lounge with a puzzle bed option and big stable table with extensions.
Disagee on all 4 points. Love the two new belted seats. They are comfortable and look so much better than that ghetto bench. The Luna bed works great if I have a third sleeper in the Van. Its quick and easy to set up. Bathroom is fine for a Van and I'm 6'1". Glad I don't have to deal with that dumb extra pump. The bed is adequate for the two of us. If you are "big people" I'd be looking at getting a B+ or even an A instead. G flooplan is super useful in many different ways.
Which floor plan change would you most like to see the next generation Travato 59G by Winnebago? Thanks for watching! In-person events, comports, and Zoom chats at www.GoSmallLiveLarge.com. Live Vanlife Q&A, Guests, Topics, Libation Live and much more every Wednesday at 7 PM ET on What’s Up Wednesday!? RV Show at www.RUclips.com/@GoSmall.LiveLarge Join the convo to travel better in your Camper Van.
I would like to see the front seating go back to the style you have.
I would like to see a convection microwave, the bigger bathroom you have, and a two burner induction stovetop…
Great points Scott. I feel they need these same changes. Wake up Winnebago!
Thx Larry
They really need to bring back the front bed and return to the original bathroom. Those were genius in a van.
agreed Winnebago really messed it up
I like the bucket seats but make them so you can spread them apart. ( like the 2024 Revel) Even though you can’t sleep 4 a lot of people would like the ability to use the van for long trips with another couple.
Well said
Everything you said is spot on! Winnebago tried to fix bathroom issues with a layout fix instead of just creating a better filtering system. They could also consider some kind of design like the Westfalia chairs in the front that turn into a bed but still give you seatbelts and seating. Just make it for one person. You could still seat three and then also sleep at least two (maybe three with two kids in the back and an adult in the front).
Now... the mirror in the bathroom. You height impaired people need longer mirrors. Us correctly sized short people would find the mirror just fine! 😄
Why does no other RV maker copy the "G" design? Only guessing, but maybe because of what you mentioned... the bed is too small for two, and no fiddling with the design can change that. A side to side bed that can sleep two shorter people and still give you room for storage, bathrooms, and so on A front to back bed can sleep two longer people, but takes up a lot of space,.Winnebago's design gives you the tall bed of the front to back design, but also the extra space for the bathroom and storage of the side to side design. BUT... the compromise is... only one person in that bed. I have a feeling designers don't like that, and apparently, customers don't like it either since the "K" design is so much more popular. Just thoughts.
Be seeing you!
Thx RoL
G floor plan has no where to lounge and nap during the day. It's dark inside! Everyone knows the K is better! Lol. Actually for working on the road the G is best. For leisure travel the K is nice with big windows and permanent twins convertible to king.
“Everyone knows the K is better”… and that is why it is so copied, but not improved.. Please visit www.adria-mobil.com to see what can be done in a 22’ van
Bring back the bench seat! That’s the one thing I dislike about my 2023 59GL
Thx Beach
We went from a 59G to a 59KL - Problem solved.
LOL
I loved the G floorplan that you have with the puzzle bed. I did not like any of the changes they made and agree with everything you said. They need to change it back to the way it was!
Right on
Absolutely agree with all 4 points! Now I can stand to do all the showering stuff because I am 5'4", however, if I have visitors, you're right if they're taller than me it's an issue.
Scott, I agree with you.
Hi Garry
Yeah, Winnebago "remodeled" it to cut cost. The bed looks unfinished because they went to slats instead of using the Froli system. The jump seat is absolutely needed and the upgrade should have been placing a railing behind it so you could use the back cushion with the door open without fear of folks falling out. The only other floor plan that rivalled this was the 23L in the Viva / Trend and it was discontinued. The 23L floor plan and the original Travato 59G floor plan should be taken on by another van building if Winnebago won't do them. I suspect there's a patent that hasn't expired yet.
Well said
The things you said about the front dinette area is the exact reason I will not buy a post 2021 model. I hate the new seats and table.
Yes!!! And please…bring back the sliding screen door …that roll up screen is a piece of crap..
Lori !
basically. you want to reverse, regress back to 2019.
It was a great G/GL set-up so YES! Love if they’d bring back the classic❤
Well said
Great points and you are 💯 I agree with you! I said the same things! Hopefully we see those things come back
I hope so too
Id like tocsee the 2019 59GL on a Ford Transit
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I agree with everything you said and add one. I like the concept of keeping the water selecting valves in one location but the fresh waterfill must be the outside of the van not with the rear door open.
Thx Tom
YES, YES AND YES! Scott ty for posting this video, 100% agree with you. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for watching!
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Yeah. A better use of space in yours. Although I can understand that other one too. They claimed people complained about your jump seat. So move the TV where you can see it from bed. Like the newer ones. And keep your 3 & 4 seats and placement of the home operation gauges. And it's downright hurtful that they still raise the floors in the wet baths. That males no sense to me
Thx Ken
My favorite floor plan is Euro Adria Supreme with lithium batteries & Volta system. Come on Scott make this happen!! 👍
That would be cool!
They need to bring back the puzzle bed, the shower; well bring back the original floor plan that started the B craze. Great video, I hope they listen to you (westfalia's new model seems to be a Travato G killier IMO, what are your thoughts?)
Westfalia Wave is a sweet rig
Do you think the table is fixable with something aftermarket? I’d much rather have the expanded table too.
There other issues don’t impact me much since I’m smaller. If they just fixed the front, it would be perfect for me. (Well, more perfect if it had no propane).
I'm with you. The "new" style 59g Travato is a disaster. But you know, they could have 3-point seatbelts on the dinette bench. Winnebago did it in the 2015 Trend 23L, which is kind of the B+ version of the 59G. My wife nixed the 59g as too small, so we ended up with the Trend 23L which is a foot wider and a few feet longer, allowing for a dry bath, a closet, and a L-shaped counter in the kitchen. She loves the dry bath, closet, and L-counter. It's basically the same layout as the 59g, but with everything behind the dinette mirrored left-right.
Ihave an opportunity tobuy one a few years old for a very good price. After seeing the older one, I prefer that or. The enemy of good is better. We plan on using it for day and short trips with grandkids. Need the front bed, and larger table.Would also like to see a cassette toilet option. Would move the tv to the opposite wall so those sitting in the second row seats can use it as well as those sleep ugi the back
Yes, I hate when the seat belt availability never match the always lesser sleeping options. Should be against the law, misleading information.
Gig Harbor , WA !!!
I like the rooms of the G better than the openness of the K. I had a friend that said, "some people want to live in a fish bowl, others prefer a cave." The K is for fishbowl people. I'm, apparently, a cave dwelling introvert. But the real deal breaker with K is the fridge. It's under the counter, so it is much smaller than the one in the G, and it's harder to access everything in it. You have to bend over, squat, or kneel to get anything that isn't right at the front. Similar problem with the microwave.
The original G model Floorplan is so much better , what were they thinking of eliminating the front bed and much smaller table ?? Making the bathroom smaller was another terrible idea . I would only want the floorplan in your G model Travato .
Spot on! If the designers would actually travel and spend significant time in these vans I bet a lot of those design decisions would change! It's a good opportunity for another builder - ah-hem ;-) - to step up and make this floorplan with some good design decisions.
BtF
I like the New Model better myself.
This would be my daily driver vehicle as well as my RV and although I am single I would want the look and capability of taking friends and family with me as my daily vehicle places and have more of automobile seats that are 3 point safety belts rather than an RV Bench/ Booth Seating type situation for them to stuff into.
I would never use this van to actually do traveling with 4 people so there would be absolutely no need for making up that puzzle of a front bed to begin with. Plus I believe that this floor plan is available from Winnebago in some form with a Pop-Top if I’m not mistaken.
Plus you state all of the time there is no other RV Manufacturers making this floor plan, there is and has been for quite some time other RV Manufacturers making the same floor plan as yours as well as the new one. In fact I know one right off the top of my head is Airstream Rangeline, and there are at least two, maybe even three other RV Manufacturers making this floor plan as well. You have even done video tours of several of them over the years.
The bathroom height situation absolutely 100% needs fixed, thats just ridiculous as it is. But the Murphy Bed in the new model is a huge improvement over the older ones, that older bed with the cut out angles and such was really really bad. At least the new design you can sleep 2 people.
The New Floor Plan is 100% for me!
I would struggle making the decision to buy the older one because I would be forced to keep my car as well as the van so I could still take friends places with me safely and not make them feel they were thrown into an RV booth dining table to go with me.
right on Cory
I would take the mirror off the bathroom wall and replace it with a mirrored medicine chest at the proper height
We bought a 2022 travato and I can’t seem to get any hooks to stay on any surface. I have even tried alien and gorilla tape, any suggestions?
My favorite model of all B's! The only thing, there is always this ONE thing that breaks the deal. For this model is the bed is just a tad too small. You would like the shower wider but I wish this model would be more comfortable for couples. Have to stick with the Roadtrek ZION SRT. If Winnebago made this model with larger bed...
Thanks for sharing!
Yes I love your vans floor plan. That's what I want, but it's not in the newer travota 😢
Great video. I also don't like induction cook top when there is propane on board.
Good to know!
Ahhhhh…..change is hard, Scott! Love our 2023 GL and could not imagine any changes backward towards the previous models. The jump seats are straight out of the Flintstones but we only use them as a footrest as we watch movies regularly. It holds pillows and blankets nicely. The table was the first to go as it takes up so much space in any position, and heck, we don’t even eat at the table at home, nor do we work on the road. The bathroom is a small price to pay for the added space for two in the bed as I rarely see solo travelers in these camper vans. It’s a huge improvement in space usage. The system panels are perfectly placed above the door imho, having flown aircraft all my life, and it would be a pain to have to deal with them tucked under the TV. We are always walking by and it is so easy to take a quick peek. Or to duck in from outside to perhaps check on the water level you are adding. I have no issues in the bathroom at only 5’9” and if I have shoes on it is simple to just duck a bit. It’s definitely not for 2 larger folks. That would be the K. (with that dorm room fridge). But at this price point, it’s best they leave that room in the bed. With over 22,000 miles in 14 months I can’t imagine a better camper van setup for us.
Insightful comments. Thanks,
Hi Dave
I’d agree. I can’t speak to the previous model but I like the current model layout. Agreed, that the extra room for sleep is a must for 2ppl. We see value in the 2 jump seats for day tripping with family/friends or for a dog station. Also, we plan to purchase an additional lagun table for added work space (hopefully 2 can fit at the same time). Picking ours up next week. The k twin beds are cool, but that small fridge with no true dinning area is a hard pass. Let’s not forget the cab bed system, haven’t tried out yet but can sleep 1 additional person or just have an extra place to get some needed space.
you are mostly right.... I have a 2020.5GL (same floorplan as your '19G). I am typing this sitting in the bench seat, which I use on every trip. The original dining area with bench seat, jump seat (with extra bed) and swing out table extension is the ideal configuration. Making the bathroom shorter and narrower is exactly what you say... dumb (ok, you didn't say that, I did); in GL models, moving the inverter from the jump seat to the under-bed storage area reduces the already limited onboard storage, so that's #5. IMO the best model year configurations and features was 2020.5 & 2021 G & GLs.
Thanks for sharing
Scott, good video and good comparisons to your 2019 model to 2023/2024 models. I like your four suggestions to Winnebago to redo the future 59G and 59GL back to 2019 style. Now if other class B manufacturers were to start making the old 59G/59GL floorplan I am sure it would sell. Simi Gee
Simi Gee !!!
I agree Scott. 100%
Th engineers don’t use it.
So they just play with the CAD computer and get paid to play.
Keep that 2019
Hi Horizon
Absolutely agree. The only good quality ( emphasis here! ) RV manufacturer offering the old G style functional layout today is Roadtrek with the Pivot and the new Westfalia. Up the lithium to 800 amp Roadtrek and I’m game. Although I think Winnebago is working on a new Travato G, GL.
Thanks for sharing!
Hi Scott, I enjoy watching your videos , thanks for all the info over the years that I’ve been doing my research. I just bought a 2017 Travato 59k and I’m wondering … I know you are buds with the guys at the Winnebago factory and I’d love to swap out some items to refresh my older version … for instance the gas line area is a good deal rusty, I’d like that to be updated, the windows have the horrid pull down 1980’s shades and I’d love to update those with the shades you have. These are just a few ideas .. wondering if you could do a video on what Winnebago can and can’t do to upgrade older models people buy. The van only has 34k miles on it and has been treated well but I’d like to give it a makeover if you will … what do ya think?
Thank you for watching
Kudos Scott ! Your videos are always interesting. I agree with you 100% in fact, I'm looking for a 2020 , 21 just because of the stupid changes they made. P.S. winnebago claims a 10 year life and 8 year warranty on the lithium batteries. Does that mean that after five years, they only have 50% of the original Wattage? I know that you mentioned something on one of your videos, but I can't find it. P.P.S. Do you happen to know when was the last travato made with the absorber refrigerator ? The "fit rv" exchanged their fridge for one with 2 compressors because the ice-cream melted....
Paul you have great questions I do not have solid answer for
Scott, couldn’t agree with you more… wife and I have a 2021 GL. Winnebago must have built that van for kids or really short people. They can completely remove that screen/filter that’s inline with shower drain if a bilge style pump. Those bilge pumps are very durable and will pump anything. We like propane burner. It gives you another option to cook if you’re low on Volta. ✌🏽
Thx for watching
I agree with you. If they work on those things we would be more interested in it.
We have a 2018G and agree with all of these suggestions. The changes WGO made (plus the water control panel INSIDE the back door are deal breakers for us
Right on
Hey Scott. I think we have learned from your Off Highway Van video that even if the desired revisions to 59G floor plan materialized the chassis AWS software issues would preclude a lift for later than 21 chassis. I suspect you would trade that loss for floor plan revisions? Do you know others who lift Promaster in a different fashion that would not challenge the software?
Crow, do not have a good answer for you
I agree with all your suggestions but I like the jump seat to
Add a bump out on the left side to widen the bed. Simple, huh.
I agree the bench seat and lowering the bathroom floor again would be a great move for Winnebago makers to adopt. However, I don’t agree about a fixed table. The lagoon style makes for much easier movement especially for larger people. You’re thin and smaller/medium built. I actually originally lived and wanted the GL model, but unless you’re traveling alone like you do, I find it isn’t the best model for a married couple… at least not an middle-aged to older married couple. The bed is too small. I need space to move around. I don’t like cuddling close all night. Cuddle time then give me some room and space to feel cool and comfortable and to get in and out of bed to use the bathroom without climbing over my partner.
Thank you for sharing
My dream: this floor plan (the old one) but with a pop-top! Kind of a Solis 59p with Pure3 and an ac.
Thank you for watching
I think nobody copies that design because it really only sleeps one. Many couples travel together and they want space to sleep 2. Even though I would be a solo traveler I don't like that 59G layout because I want a bigger sleeping area for myself.
Right on
100% on all four you mention Scott!! I’d like the murphy bed to be at least 8” lower, would make it safer for peeps and pets😊🐾
Right on!
My wife and I really enjoy our 23 59G the way it is but my biggest peeve is having to push the sump pump switch when draining the grey water. Someone mentions the drain water has to go over the rear axle. Wish they could have designed it better.
Right on
Bench seat very uncomfortable because the strait back,another thing…why anybody spend this much money if don’t used a shower?
Hi Love
I totally agree. My husband and I were looking for a van last year and I was watching your videos and was so excited about your floor plan. We eliminated the Travato from our top list because the great room space changed. It was great to have a larger more permanent table with ability to have another bed without bringing an air mattress.
Hi Jody
What did you end up going with?
I don't like the automotive seats either. I have a 2020.5GL and love the bench seat and ability to have a second bed. I don't watch tv, so the placement doesn't bother me at all. The only thing I would change having the table lower on the hydraulic leg rather than the fold up leg.
Right on
It doesn’t spear that Winnebago has consulted people that have this floorplan (like you) as to the need for changes to make the best use of the space. I agree with you on the shower change.
Hi TD
I much prefer the twin beds in the back, and toilet at the back. I prefer no shower but keep the toilet. Just met opinion. Thank you.😊 😊
Fair enough!
good video - i recently toured a brand new 59G and i noticed the shower was really cramped feeling for me - couldn't understand it till I heard what you said in this video about the redesign making both shower floor higher and wall curving in
Glad it helped
It’s unusual for a manufacturer to make what they consider improvements that turn out to be bad decisions.
Hmmm
We love our 2021 Travato GL. Agree with your points except we would also miss the bench seat in front of the door. We use that seat often. Also, the electronic components inside that seat are under the bed in the new G floorplan. That lessons the underbed storage. Do prefer the galley, refrigerator with the freezer drawer, and the hot water recirculation system in the new floor plan.
J & R !!
I agree with you about bathroom. The bed is still too small for two except in a pinch. So make bathroom more functional. I personally like the idea of a bench that faces the sliding door that converts to a second bed.
Thx Tim
I say copy the Airstream Rangeline floorplan.
Bueno
Hi Greg
Hi Scott! I love the new floor plan without the jump seat it gives more floor space for my two dogs otherwise they would have no where to go. I agree with you I think Winnebago needs to put back the bench seat and the table, but still need to put in the 3 point seat belts along with the tether harness for car seats. I can't believe they had it in the prior floor plans and took it out. Many of us bring our grandchildren with us and the tether harness is a safety issue. The generic Lagun table is awful!!!!! I would like to see them add back the extra space in the shower. You mentioned the mirror was lower being short I would like that mine is too high. I would also like to see the closet a bit wider. I think the 22 and 23 are smaller than the previous ones. I may have mentioned to you I think they should move the buckle to the middle of the bed. I find it hard to reach when I have things stored in the garage area. I keep my clam tent and my extra gallons of water there and always having to climb over these things to reach the buckle. Either that or I need longer arms. I still feel the G floor plan is the best out there!
Thx for sharing
I had the same van as yours, it was diesel. The only reason I let it go was because the bathroom took up all the bed space. I chose an older model Roadtrek that had the shower in the hall but would buy this van with the old bench seat again and remodel that bath.
Right on
I got the 2019 floor plan
Mary !
i do love that layout, particularly the murphy bed area, id have that design in a heartbeat. Sadly id be beaten to death by the clips on the top cupboards - or poss put my eye out 😵🤣
Hi Lesley
Agreed. So glad we have our 2021 G
Right on
Being single and not having other people in my van, i do not need the extra seats. I would rather have more storage in that area, some kind of fold out table to eat on or work from. All the rest is fine with me.
Hi Steve
I wish the K had the option of instead of two beds have one side set up as a dinette that could be made into a bed. Similar to the Solis Pocket.
Cheers
Love you comments and suggestions for Winnebago
Thank you, Jody
I agree but manufacturers don’t really listen
Hi Ryan
Totally agree
I wish they would move to a sink faucet that has a sprayer
Hi Tara
We preferred the Westfalia Wave and ordered one from Sunshine State. Our mission set is not full time, so the 3 CF fridge works for us.
Congrats John !
@@gosmall.livelarge thank you
Agree MN totally I have 2
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HI George
This floorplan is a complete non-starter for me.
Good to know
Scott you are DEAD ON man. I have a 2019G and really love puzzle bed options. One thing you didn't mention was COUCH mode which I use abour 80% of the time. In that mode the jump seat makes a great ottoman/recliner. I would HATE to have a K with such a small "lounge" are up front.
Another commented on how the bed area is fairly unusable when the but is folded up and I'd have to agree. I'd always thought a reclining seat back there would be a great option.
Anyway great video and I hope us G-Lovers will get a decent option going forward. Until then I'll never give up my 2019.
Hi Clay. Thx for sharing
Thanks Scott ! I’m so glad I have your floor plan! (2019 chassis with a 2020 59G fit). I am looking into having Piotr somehow figure a way to do an “assist” with lifting the bed. It’s REALLY heavy for me and maybe a thingy like they have for keeping your hood up would help with the heft of that murphy bed…
The “older” Murphy can be heavy
I wouldn't argue with your changes, Scott. I still prefer my Solis PX hardtop but there are a few things I'm jealous of: the microwave, larger fridge/freezer and bathroom (with sink)!
Right on
Love fridge pantry
Hi Cheryl
Not a fan of the Murphy model.
Okay !
I agree with you, they made a mistake
Thx John
oh, btw, when I went to Rover Vans, Piotr was very interested in our floor plan. That’s when I mentioned my challenge with how heavy the bed is. He might have been inspired by our 59G plan… ;)
That is awesome!
I just looked at the Travato 59g and a Jayco Swift 20a (Jayco version of Rich's Eeyore). The Swift solves some of your issues. People use the Luno bed in the second row to add an additional sleeping area up front. Surprisingly, the mid bath is roomier than the Travato (it doesn't slim down in the back) and actually is the same size as the back bath that so many units have. For you, I assume sleeping in the kitchen may be a problem, but many single people use the back bed as a twin and not a pullout double. For me, your floorplan would have won me over. Now I will go with the Swift 20a since it will sleep 3 and has a nice bathroom. Since I won't be living full time, the back slide out bed is no different than I have been doing with my small trailers for years.
Well said Thomas
Westfalia all day long now
Right on Boss
I think 2020.5 and 2021 G and GL were the sweet spot. Added insulation, quiet AC, and other improvements. As a solo traveler, II keep my 2020.5GL permanently in couch mode. Love my controls where they are, as I have a shelf over the slider that provides loads of storage. I don't mind the jump seat at all, use it as a footrest, and my corgis like to lie on it. Like that my bed doesn't have that leg, as I have a dog crate under the front portion of the bed. I do like the permanent faucet in the redesign, instead of the rinky-dink folding one, that is easily changed, and they got smart an finally made that space by the fridge into a pantry, another easy fix on my year. I hope to have many more years in my rig and that by the time I need another (if ever), that there will be something more practical than the current G floorpan.
Well said
Love my 2021 GL…old floor plan. LOVE the jump seat and second bed, large table, etc….
I am with you
Agree with you. Love our ‘19GL. But cannot update to the newer iteration. Bring back the bathroom to its old dimensions and the front lounge with a puzzle bed option and big stable table with extensions.
Right on
Better use of space in your G
Agree
Love your idea!!😊
Thank you! 😊
did u get a lift for your van?
Yes, dear. Off Highway Van in Salt Lake City lifted my van 3 inches back in October 2020 it’s the best money I’ve spent on my van still.
I agree , I would much rather have a bench seat. Love the frig with the freezer on the bottom love the color combo
K3 !!
PS love my gas stove!!!
Hi Karen
Hi Scott!! Love your channel!
Thanks for the heads up about the shower problems.
No worries
Love all your crosses
Thx Buddy
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:)
I agree with you.
Thx JT
Disagee on all 4 points. Love the two new belted seats. They are comfortable and look so much better than that ghetto bench. The Luna bed works great if I have a third sleeper in the Van. Its quick and easy to set up. Bathroom is fine for a Van and I'm 6'1". Glad I don't have to deal with that dumb extra pump. The bed is adequate for the two of us. If you are "big people" I'd be looking at getting a B+ or even an A instead. G flooplan is super useful in many different ways.
Thx for sharing. 59G is tough to beat IMHO