HWASA and SEULGI could easily be Main vocal in any group, and Seulgi is my favorite vocalist in RV. I couldn't decide between these two, but HWASA kills me with her Falsettes and when she applies power in her belts, and Seulgi nails that vibrato and head voice.
@@leeavj9435 yes she could, Seulgi could be a main vocal in CLC, BLACKPINK, DreamCatcher, April, WJSN and Twice (maybe for 2 last ones), and in every 4th gen group except Weekly, Pink Fantasy and aespa.
@@MarcosVinicius-zz8pv I don't know the other groups but she can't be main vocal in twice and wjsn, dawon,yeonjung,and jihyo are far better than seulgi(which is they are on the same level as jeongyeon)
OMG I got goosebumps with Hwasa. She literally takes it all for me and is not scared to "ALL OUT" if that makes sense. She's a VOCALIST no doubt. I commend her unique vocal ability and texture/tone. Can we talk about her vocal styles? No one is touching her on that page.... Seulgi no doubt is one of the best too but I wish she changed her "nasal style" of singing cause it sometimes sounds like it was whining but overall her technique can be improved and is suit for the main vocal if she is in other groups.
Hwasa takes this easily without arguing , Mamamoo is just different their sound is mature , amazing tone and very experienced live vocals , so yeah the other girls got absolutely nothing on THE Hwasa , she eats , periodt
@@Nini_K2 someone said the members said that they choose lines for the everyone in the group for the song they wrote...so are we gonna drop the hypocrisy or what 💀. I'm not going against Jeongyeon having least lines , but I'm informing y'all that it isn't just jyp
I think the points you made on Hwasa's technique are super good but it's also sort of what makes her voice stand out for me (and I'm sure many), that combination of having technique but also throwing it away a little bit for the sake of emotion, color, and interpretation. I think she hits a sweet balance of that. She honestly does so much for Mamamoo's sound overall. Her style really stands out. Also Seulgi is way more of a mixer than belter, that's why her volume isn't as high and also why she has an easier time with the higher notes.
It's funny how people mistakenly Hwasa or Wheein as the lead vocalist where in FACT, there's no main or lead positions in MAMAMOO. So you can include Solar, Wheein and Hwasa (or even Moonbyul, their rapper :))
I think you used a lot of bad clips for Hwasa. Especially from their performance of Where Are We Now, there are definitely better sounding clips than what you used. Like from their live band performance, Dingo and Sketchbook. You are just really hard on Hwasa for some reason.
@@goldyd144 of course he wouldn’t that’ll def be obvious 🙄 as you can hear about his description when it’s hwasa’s turn it’s always backhanded compliment or bad at all. He actually said at the end jisoo is his favorite
Honestly while I love Solar and am curious how she compares with other vocalists, I’m glad Wheein and Hwasa got some spotlight as vocalists in this video.
If talking about vocal techniques 1 Wheein 2 hwasa close behind Wheein (honestly the botje share not nr 1 but because Wheein has a more stable voice with her low voice that’s why she would maybe be “better” 3 solar 4 moonbyul ( honestly moonbyul has the same vocals tone as Wheein but lower
@@bayannoor7724 Lol, Solar is for sure second in mamamoo if we do talk about technique, with bigger more consistent resonance in her mix and overall far more solidness of approach in the A3-C#5 range.
It honestly amazes me how much BLACKPINK girls can still improve, yet YG holds them back with their vocal abilities. Like... Why is he not giving them a proper vocal training? It could actually benefit both his company and the girls themselves 😐
@@aintnootherfan I watched that video! I remember how after watching it I had a whole conversation with myself on why is he not giving them a proper vocal training. I literally don't get why he doesn't want them to improve 😐
@@MoonLight-dx6gf Because it's all about money for YG and YG Entertainment. I suspect most of the money Blackpink makes doesn't come from them releasing music but from very profitable modeling contracts with rich companies. Which would explain why Blackpink only have one comeback a year and why it took more than 2 years to get Rose's album which only had 2 songs.
@@brianlittrell797 Probably yes. From what I heard Rosé's solo was ready 2 years ago, but she wasn't allowed to release it. It's so sad to see YG finding diamonds for kpop industry, but then mismanaging them.
@@MoonLight-dx6gf if yg could let thwm do more proper trainings, I can guarantee that no one can deny their vocals again. They got vocals but is far from perfection.
i'd be really interested in seeing a vocal ranking of main rappers from these groups (chaeyoung, moonbyul, irene, jennie). they all have really pleasing vocals (at least in my opinion) so i'd be quite interested in who's technically the best in those areas
The thing is Hwasa is inconsistent, while Seulgi tends to have a supported nasally placed voice up to B4 or C5, and well, not sure what you mean by resonant, I see this comment a lot and I don’t get how Seulgi is not resonant, she has a nasal resonance. lol
@@MURAT-zy5eq I might seem biased (because of my nickname) but Hwasa is not that inconsistent as you think. Seulgi is consistent around Bb4 and inconsistent B4 while Hwasa is fairly consistent (as well as resonance) on C5
@@MURAT-zy5eq Nasal resonance is not nasality. Nasality is when you don't lift your soft palate properly, so your sound is projected through your nose, causing a lack of space, projection and a your tone becomes less clear. Nasal resonance is when you "place" your voice properly and project through your nasal cavities (not your nose), e.g. the bones above your nose. The sound becomes clearer, more projected and has better volume and amplification, since your soft palate is lifted high enough to creat more space in the back of the throat.
@@pedropaulogomes6703 singing with a soft palate should not be labeled as “correct” since it’s an stylistic choice and does not affect ones voice. If you lift your palate, the sound will be bigger and rounder, but it does not turn the placement to a nasal placement. You can have a masked projection with your soft palate relaxed.
How could Hwasa not win belts ? None of those vocalists come close to how open she can be, she have a lot less tension then Seulgi and she can actually sustain a nice supported note with ease and control.
@@nameme7801 Yeah, I was shocked specially considering Seulgi was first when she's nasal and tense even in the mid of her range... she's *at the best* tied with JY at the 2nd
@@MarcosVinicius-zz8pv He choose nice examples of Seulgis belting but the actual healthy belts he added are not touching the 5th octave and are in her comfort range more or less, also she doesn't try to achieve the same volume as Hwasa.
All I can say is that Hwasa is the reason why I changed my mind about kpop. I am not really into kpop, I'm more on western style of music but Hwasa and Mamamoo opens my mind that not all kpop music are so same.
Honestly, I love them all. But I have to say, Hwasa is kind of my favorite, even though her technique is not really the best, I consider her voice to be the most interesting of them all. I love her rasp and her falsettos, makes her performances more powerful and different than most feminine voices in kpop.
So 3rd Gen Big 3 groups + Mamamoo lol Of course Red Velvet (and mmm) get high points, SM only debuts great vocalists (and Mamamoo is well, Mamamoo). Also, I hope you looked into more clips than the ones you showed, some of these girls have way more examples of these categories than that. But obviously, I understand casual listeners like yourself wouldnt know every little clip/stage they've done, so there isn't much to do about that lol. Another great analysis, nonetheless.
Nayeon & Jeongyeon such a great vocalist, but I'm surprise for nayeon that she didn't rank that high in upper , I thought her falsetto is nice ,her falsetto relaxed around E5 and her head voice is fairly good I guess😁, maybe she isn't brave enough to challenge herself , or maybe that doesn't count as good . Anyway dope video keep up the good work !!😄. ( Nayeon's agility is my favorite she will become a crazy vocalist, I hope she got that Bb4 consistent again ) . Edit : and tbh the belting part hmm something doesn't feel right , just wanna say jeongyeon placement A4 - C#5 is very nice and I feel like there's should be a huge gap between hwasa ( she has supported resonance up to C5 ) and mmmm you know , but yea so 3 categories that I disagree , Lower register, belt and upper . Great video anyways , just wanna express my opinion.
Very true but I think she didnt exactly regressed but its because of they style she is taking now. She now kind of has a style when singing which prevents her from improving and supporting higher notes. i can't really explain it but imma find the video in which it talked about Nayeon and all TWICE members ruclips.net/video/nwMJQRWEK10/видео.html Go on 7:42 of the YT video and it will explain it better than me:D
Jeongyeon really does give Jihyo a run for her money in the belts department. It's weird that JYPE doesn't give her more high notes in Twice's music. They've been pushing Nayeon and Jihyo to go higher and higher for belts - Nayeon literally had to lay on her back to sing the high notes for I Can't Stop Me - and they got so much hate for not singing them live after that crazy choreography. A beautiful mid-lower end of a high belt for Jeongyeon (maybe the B4-C#5 department) in a few of their songs wouldn't kill their discography, for crying out loud! Hell, I'm personally for more mid-belts for Nayeon and Jihyo too (I'm positive that they would sound lovely)!
It depends, like u said; a beautiful mid belt in icsm couldn’t hurt. But then speaking about true high notes that are higher up is where Jeongyeon struggles
@@izonexbae I know! That's why I mentioned mid belts. Nayeon and Jihyo are utilized more because of their higher ranges, but sometimes I think JYPE pushes them too much in that regard (in regards to vocal ability, not for popularity or playing favorites). I'd love to hear them sing more in their comfortable ranges. I do love the high notes in ICSM btw. I just wish that it was something Nayeon in particular could do live, and right now she can't. It's also a chance to hear Jeongyeon more, and that's always a plus.
I think she talked about doing high notes in their live in youtube where they talked about TASTE OF love album and she said during First time she did a lot of high notes but really doesnt enjoy doing them. She can hit them but doesnt like to and feels uncomfortable. I think this is due to TWICE always having the standards being tripled up and getting hate if they have one itty bitty mistake.
@@karla_thee_potato I can see that. It's a legitimate fear. Still, Jeongyeon has never really been mentioned as a bad singer in TWICE, but she does get overlooked a lot. Seems like JYPE isn't doing much to boost her confidence, and their producers pushing for higher and higher high notes must definitely be a contributor, in addition to the pressure from the public constantly picking them apart for their vocals. Doesn't help that she has anxiety too. Poor Jeongyeon. 🥺
Jennie not being included is completely understandable. Solar could be included in a different video maybe? I feel like if you did a video about the vocal skills of main rappers from girl groups (also known to sing) - for example, Soyeon from Gidle, Jennie, Chaeyoung from Twice, Dami from Dreamcatcher, CL, Amber from F(X), Irene, Moonbyul, etc. - that would be a better comparison than in a video like this one where she was at more of a disadvantage against the other vocalists already present. I also feel like you wouldn't be as limited to sticking to "generations" as you would for videos dedicated to vocalists only.
@@imascarf9243 I realized that after I made the comment. Someone else mentioned a comparison between Moonbyul, Irene, Jennie, and Chaeyoung and that makes more sense in my opinion. As well, all the idols mentioned were suggestions. He didn't need to use all of them at once. Sorry if that was confusing! 😅
Even though YG sucks with vocal training, Jisoo is still doing well, so proud of her, hope her and the other girls here can expand their skill and talent even more
Hwasa should win the lead vocalist competition. I think her album Maria, as well as Mamamoo songs, proved just how versatile and amazing her vocal techniques are. She also has way more solo songs to sample from compared to other idols in this video.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I feel like you kinda tried to draw a close battle between Hwasa and Seulgi, however I personally don't see the small gap some ppl see, I see a considerable gap between Hwasa who has a lot of positive qualities that the other Mamamoo members have as well presenting a much stronger more developed instrument within a part of her range, to the other singer.
Hwasa puts style in front of technique, that's the type of a vocalist she is, I l personally love listening to her, but she has her issues, the fact that she comes from a vocals-focused group doesn't automatically make her superior to Seulgi However if you wanted to be very exact, she technically won in this video, 2* 1st place, 2*2nd place
@@aintnootherfan Having a style she can mostly turn on and off isn't limiting her as much as you suggest, first of all when she wants to she can sing without much of her stylistic rasp, second of all her being stylistic never stopped her from having more than a few open and clean belts as high as B4-C5 with clean support and the added ability to sustain them without straining much. Out of her belting range (and in it) she has her issue, sure, but she is clearly a vocalist with nice level of proficiency who perform nicley with clarity and control in A3-C5 at least.
Jisoo's Deep voice is so amazing....the way she harmonizes and her high notes are so good...her voice is super flexible....she has the best voice I have ever heard 💜
Hwasa❤️❤️❤️ all of the mmm members hav such mature voices. They might not be the most popular gg but wen it comes to vocals there's literally no group who could beat them. Imagine having 3 'main vocalists' in a single group👑👑👑wawww
Hmmm don’t know man. Hwasa belting can be pushed sometimes, but so does seulgi’s and she also has quite a lot of other issues. if you consider that + that hwasa’s supported belting goes higher…. I would say for belting hwasa nr 1.
Hwasa didn't belt 4 times in one song to rank her 2 Her belting technique is diffrent for sure but it does make her Unique in a positive way So yeah No
There are no mains or leads in mamamoo. But considering several aspects, hwasa is the weakest among those three.
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Mamamoo doesn't have official vocalist positions, the three of them are just "vocalists" while Byul is a "Sub Vocalist". Therefore, he picked the weakest out of the three vocalists.
@@septiawan4431 I don't think hwasa is weakest it just each of them have weakest and strength but like this Creator said he choose hwasa bcs it more suitable to compare with other lead vocalist.
I really like these ranking videos. Outside of girlbands I think it would be cool if you did other topics like (Legends Whitney Mariah Celine lara Sohyang etc.) or (Popular vocalists of our generation Ariana Demi Tori Perrie etc.) or even (unique voices Halsey Jesy Nelson Rosé etc) But I'm down with this whole girl band era. I love it!!!
1. Hwasa - clearly the strongest among these 5. Got decent support from A3 to C5. The only one in this list has pushed resonance (not ideal, but still is resonant) 2. Seulgi - she’s around Jihyo’s level i would say. Seulgi’s strongest asset is her strongly developed lower range, very pushy and nasal in her mixed range. The highest she supported so far are A4/Bb4 3. Jeongyeon - there we go, the least utilized vocalist in TWICE. Imma start by saying Jeongyeon having stronger mid belts than Seulgi, as she’s more reliable in A4/Bb4 range. Jeongyeon has quite a problem with pushing her chest voice, which carries over to her legato as well 4. Nayeon - she was better during Sixteen days. Back then she had A4’s supported quite consistently, but now after years of having to sing outside her range and carrying TWICE’s most challenging lines, supporting an A4 is lucky for Nayeon. Just sad. 5. Jisoo - she has some okay moments of being fairly relaxed in her mid range. But Jisoo hasn’t truly grasped the concept of diaphragmatic support yet. Too much throat tensions
@@thatname4451 i would like see where you got that from. From what I’ve observed since debut, Hwasa’s bad habits of vocal cord compressions has always caused her to sound overly chesty throughout her mixed range, super pushy and unbalanced. Every single member of Mamamoo (except Moonbyul since she’s more of a rapper position) has this issue, you easily tell they were trained by the same teacher(s). They have similar vocal habits, strengths and weaknesses, even similar supported range as well. The one with the most balanced mix and most relaxed falsetto AND least tendency to lower the larynx in lower range is Wheein. Wheein just has the healthiest overall technique in Mamamoo, though Solar and Hwasa are not far behind
It's true that jisoo darker tone is amazing but she is just ok singer . She audition to become actress but I don't know what the heck is YG thinking at that time??? Yuki no Hana was amazing with her darker tone but clarity was neither good nor bad she can't pull off that High note.
@@thongampremchand9014 YG doesn't really have a training for actors. They just sign existing actors, but they don't have training for that unlike for idols. So it's understandable why Jisoo ended up being an idol.
Hwasa is by far the best in belting/mixed because it can be argued that even Jeongyeon is stronger than Seulgi that area. Hwasa can produce resonance up to C5 while Seulgi is already and tight around A4/Bb4 (some said that even as early as G#4). It can be also argued that Nayeon has a slightly better lower register than Hwasa but not by much. I do believe Jeongyeon has a better lower register than Jisoo and is closer or maybe on par with Hwasa in that category. Overall it's Hwasa>>>>Seulgi>Jeongyeon>Nayeon>>Jisoo.
@@hwasafan3318 not true, because strain and tension can occur even you can resonate the note and thats the main problem hwasa. She might resonate the notes but those notes aren't supported due to her tension.
It's good to see a Jisoo vocals fan. In my mind Jisoo is an alternate universe Miyeon, the main vocalist of (G)I-dle, and in her universe she's underdeveloped and underutilized...for some reason. 🤷🏾♀️ I didn't find out until recently that Miyeon used to be a YG trainee, for a group that didn't end up debuting, and actually knows the members of Blackpink. Jisoo and Miyeon have very similar voices(to my ear anyway) and visuals but I think they would actually sound really nice singing together. 🥰 I hope that actually happens one day. 🤞🏿
The belting one is messy ngl, even if you don't think support is very meaningfull, Seulgi is super nasal and tight all they way throught her mix, i don't see how she would even above Jeongyeon, let alone hwasa.
I agree with everything except the ranking in belting. because hwasa is clearly better than seulgi in that particular area, actually hwasa just simply better than seulgi. But seulgi is also great vocalist. Mamamoo and RV are vocal beasts
@@eleniOG this is a toxicity lol, Mamamoo are singers like the other singers and there is nothing wrong if we compare them with others so stop this shit they are not the most talented one, there are many other groups who are as talented as Mamamoo so there is nothing wrong if we compare them lol
@@inyochayacha548 nahh try again. if you know nothing abt mamamoo don't talk. but i know all abt these idols that they are being compared too and they are nothing compared to them ESPECALLY with voccalsss byee
@@eleniOG lol, Ik Hwasa is the best here in vocal lol but there is nothing wrong with compare her, and Seulgi isn't far from her and we all know that besides vocal ,Nayeon and Seulgi are much better than her in dancing skills lol so stop acting like only Mamamoo are the only talented group, Wendy is better than all of Mamamoo members and this is a fact, but as a group Ik Mamamoo are better than RV, and Blackpink are better than Mamamoo in rap and dance lol and Twice much better than Mamamoo in dancing skills and team work performances So I hope u will be well soon, and get that Mamamoo are not the only talented group here cuz there are many other talented groups as Mamamoo lol
This ranking list should be 1. Hwasa (supported range : A3-C5) 2.Seulgi (sp range : G3/G#3 - A4/Bb4) 3.Jeongyeon (sp range : A3/Bb3 - A4/Bb4) 5.Nayeon (sp range : A3/Bb4 - A4) 6.Jisoo Bonus : There are lots of good lead vocalists of gen3 who can support like Narae (Spica) ,Hyerin and Hani (Exid) ,Yoohyeon ( Dreamcatcher) , Yebin (DIA) , Chungha (I.O.I) ,Jiwoo ( Kard)....
I love Jisoo her tone is unique and refreshing, for me at least. But YG doesnt really focus on vocal training its such a shame, so much potential wasted and with jennie too.
I closely follow SM female vocalists and in terms of the lower range, one thing I found is that almost all of their main & lead female vocalists can CONSISTENTLY SUPPORT until G3 note, which may not be super special for sopranos but quite impressive imo, showing consistency of vocal skills of SM vocalists. Edit: in terms of agility, idols aren't generally trained that much in that area probably because most of them sing pop music & not R&B, so riffs & runs are kinda underlooked during training. That's why mamamoo is an impressive idol group showing their agility skills in their music.
Lower register Jeongyeon > Jisoo Jeongyeon can support down to A3 and having maintianed tonality down to the F#3. She is obviously technically better. (Jisoo doesn't even have real support range) Jeongyeon's mix is also better than Seulgi. Seulgi is overall better but they're still close in term of technique. Seulgi has better lower and upper but Jeongyeon's mix is fuller while Seulgi is very nasal and has tough tension.
I don't think jeongyeon is really better than seulgi in mixed register. Because they are about the same. Supported at the same notes, jy has better projection but seulgi is more consistent. Yes seulgi's are nassal, but jy is shouty, throaty and strains. That's why you hear more volume. So for me jy and seulgi are tied on belting/mixed reguster. And seulgi is far better in low notes. Her G3s fuller than jy A3s, more consistent, has more clarity too. So maybe their gap is not super mega big, but for me it's quite noticeable.
@@fudanshiakut5114 I've never said Jeongyeon's lower register is better than Seulgi's tho. I've already said that Seulgi has better lower. But for mixed register, Seulgi’s placement is very nasal because she does not sing with a lifted soft palate. Tension is present even within her supported range, She already sounds tight/pushy above G#4. Mixed register is actually where Seulgi struggles the most. But Jeongyeon. Mixed register is her strongest register. She has fuller mix and better placement, she is better than Seulgi from G#4 all the way to C#5/D5.
well i agree with everything but i found myself shocked at the belts section...but I'm not saying ur wrong or i disagree at all..lol...well many ppl esp kpop stans go off with the supported range alone without caring or considering for other stuff like clarity,volume output, vibrance,tonal quality , interpretation skills,dynamics control and issues etc...so that caught me off guard i guess
Hwasa tries to sing in this jazzy, sassy style that I feel sometimes hinders her when it comes to belts (which explains the grit/pushing/tension/etc.). It's her only weakness as a vocalist imo. 🤷🏾♀️
I could say that Hwasa has such a vocal load in Mamamoo, she's the stylistic one in the group's vocal line, I'm sure she could belt but I think it would damage her vocals from overuse..
The gap between Wendy and Wheein is double when it comes to Hwasa and Seulgi. And the bad habits you pointed out should be below the cons category(not in actual technical ranking if you'd include pros and cons ofc) bcs Hwasa is by far the best belter I mean with C5 like hello? and Seulgi being the ambitious belter doesn't change the fact that she can only support B4 and not consistent.
Honestly I don't see any gap between Wendy and Wheein 😅well if they say it is because of the technique I'm gonna just accept it cuz I don't know anything about technique and stuff, but I like more the sound that Wheein produces 😂 And for Hwasa I'm not gonna even say anything in this ranking
1. Jeongyeon has support A3/Bb3 and Jisoo doesn't support her lower register at all? How can you put Jisoo above Jeongyeon 2. Seulgi best supported notes is B4, meanwhile Hwasa resonate her C5 consistently, how the hell Seulgi is better in belting than Hwasa 3. In upper register, how the hell Jisoo is better than Seulgi and Jeongyeon, Nayeon? all of them use falsetto, however Seulgi, Jeongyeon and Nayeon relax at D5/Eb5, Jisoo can relax at only C5/C#5, above C#5 her falsetto is too airy. What is the criteria here when you judge Jisoo above them?
Kind of correct. Hwasa used to be a very high average - above average vocalist, but over the years, she actually regressed and lost her resonance. Seulgi is very consistent in her vocals.
Of those mentioned, Nayeon and Seulgi are my favorites followed really closely by Jeongyun. Nayeon. has a unique kaleidoscope of bright vocal color that rises so high in the vocal register with fine projection and resonance which is a really enticing quality so rarely even mentioned and a real signature of Twice's cute upbeat sound. Seulgi- compliments Wendy really well especially in their R and B flavored songs. She has a lovely resonant hum and great sense of R and B rhythm and soul in suprisingly powerful belts and when doing ballads. Jeongyun - strong clear and resonance delivery in the mid range register which adds a much needed deeper tone to the Twice vocal line. Probably underused in the songs or she would be able to shine more.
As expected, there's some great vocal moments in here from everyone mentioned! I feel like people are already about to be a little weird about Seulgi not being ranked higher for agility (based on RV's B-sides), but like you said, you based this on live performances.
Nayeon has better lows than Hwasa. She can support A3/G#3 quite consistently and has supported G3 in sixteen. Hwasa does not even support to G#3. Hwasa is by far the best belter. Seulgi still issues with excess nasality and tongue tension which considerably lowers the quality of support and projection. While Hwasa has issues with too much chestiness and inconsistency, she is much more open, forward and resonant than Seulgi. Seulgi does not even support B4 consistently, while Hwasa can maintain support to C5 despite having throatiness at times. But she is still much better than Seulgi. Your reasoning seems to be that Seulgi challenges herself yet is that not an an indication of someone who is not a smart vocalist? But anyway good video.
Yea ngl you made the gap between Hwasa and Seulgi seem far close than it actually is, especially with the fact that Hwasa can support c5s yet Seulji can't and you still gave the edge to Seulgi. I'm still a fan of your channel but a few things were objectively incorrect in this video.
I agree with you on everything but the last part were you said Seulgi can produce a head voice, which is clearly not true. She uses a falsetto which can be somewhat relaxed and decently projected but it comes nowhere close to what a real head voice is, very few vocalists these days are actually capable of producing one (Examples of good head voices lie mostly in older opera singers like pre-regression María Callas, Montserrat Caballé and Joan Sutherland)
@@ace0-017 I’m yet to find any contemporary artist produce a proper head voice though, I just hear different falsettos, some of which are strained, but others which are quite relaxed and beautiful (like Wendy’s for instance). But it’s still a hollow sound airy sound with no core which indicates the singer is not using their modal voice
@@xeroxsaw1303 Head voice in contemporary music has a different quality, it is not as connected and has less resonance (ring). From a classical point of view, it can't really be considered a true head voice, but my comment was based on the technical principles of contemporary music.
@@pedropaulogomes6703 It’s actually not that, tons of classical singers nowadays also use falsetto/collapsed head voice, but this was not so 50 years ago Anyways the main thing is that head voice is really just chest voice produced through a different coordination of muscles, but it really is just the same register, it’s still the modal voice, which is why classical sopranos used to sound strong and powerful Falsetto on the other hand is just a different register where only the ligaments of the vocal cords are actually used, and it has a more airy and hollow quality. It can be reinforced to the point where it can sound pretty close to head voice (falsettone) but this doesn’t seem to be the case with contemporary singers But that’s fine, as you said contemporary and classical are not the same and a true head voice in contemporary music, put in place of falsetto would sound weirdly strong in most cases, which is why I don’t think contemporary singers should be evaluated based on their head voices really
Granted Solar is the main belter of the group that a lot of people consider that position to be held by the main vocalist. But I honestly feel like both Hwasa And Wheein are more seasoned and sound the most balanced and well rounded. Their tones are also more crisp whilst on the other hand Solar only shines in the belts area and even in that area they give her a run for her money. Her voice also strains easily based on all the videos I watched of Mamamoo
@@mydearonthetop6139 Highnotes doesn't make u a better vocalist, if Nayeon hits Highnotes better then it's not always that she is the best, because technique is the thing that says if this member is better than the other or not so it's all about technique so overall Jeongyeon is much better lol
The thing I like in SM is the way they produced half or all Vocally talented in their group. MMM is still the Best GG in terms of Vocal, they're indeed the Vocal Queens.
HWASA and SEULGI could easily be Main vocal in any group, and Seulgi is my favorite vocalist in RV. I couldn't decide between these two, but HWASA kills me with her Falsettes and when she applies power in her belts, and Seulgi nails that vibrato and head voice.
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Hwasa is a main vocalist tho...
@@ungegreier1802 Actually not
@@wysse_beats Yes.
@@ungegreier1802 she's not
Seulgi and Hwasa are top 2 there is no denial there. Both are main vocal level
For seulgi actually no.
@@leeavj9435 yes she could, Seulgi could be a main vocal in CLC, BLACKPINK, DreamCatcher, April, WJSN and Twice (maybe for 2 last ones), and in every 4th gen group except Weekly, Pink Fantasy and aespa.
@@MarcosVinicius-zz8pv Twice and WJSN? No, there is dawon and jihyo who are better than seulgi.
@@MarcosVinicius-zz8pv I don't know the other groups but she can't be main vocal in twice and wjsn, dawon,yeonjung,and jihyo are far better than seulgi(which is they are on the same level as jeongyeon)
@Sugaシ You should learn and watch about vocal technique and vocal pedagogy before saying that.
I really like Hwasa. Her falsetto and head voice and rasp/distortion are her strength imo. I was quietly rooting for her.
she doesn't use hv, but love her falsettos too, are so pleasant to hear
Her note in “my everything” is amazing go see it
OMG I got goosebumps with Hwasa. She literally takes it all for me and is not scared to "ALL OUT" if that makes sense. She's a VOCALIST no doubt. I commend her unique vocal ability and texture/tone. Can we talk about her vocal styles? No one is touching her on that page.... Seulgi no doubt is one of the best too but I wish she changed her "nasal style" of singing cause it sometimes sounds like it was whining but overall her technique can be improved and is suit for the main vocal if she is in other groups.
Hwasa takes this easily without arguing , Mamamoo is just different their sound is mature , amazing tone and very experienced live vocals , so yeah the other girls got absolutely nothing on THE Hwasa , she eats , periodt
Solar is stronger than Hwasa as a vocalist
@@ivy2267 solar is not on this video lmaoo
@@eleniOG Solar is a lead vocalist cuz Wheein is stronger
@@ivy2267 wtf? Read what I said then reply
@@eleniOG I did I’m just saying Solar should be here
Seulgi is my personal favorite. She has a unique voice❤️
Seulgi can easily be a main vocal. One of the best dancer and vocalist in her generation. An ace.
Hwasa has one of the most beautiful voice texture/color that i ever seen in kpop, truly gifted voice!
Hwasa has overall a very nicely and strong developed mid range with alot of openness at her best moments.
Her mixed register is her strongest register right?
@@true-mrremoved656 yes
@@true-mrremoved656 By far, cuz of her pretty consistent resonance from Bb4 to C5 i think.
Izonebae ily
My ranking: Hwasa, Hwasa, HWASA, HWASA
1. HWASA ALWAYS HWASA! QUEEN HWASA!!!!!!
Pretty reasonable, I like it :)
@@aintnootherfan yup. I am a professional I would know... 😏
yesss!!
Yess in this list for me Hwasa
Agree agree agree agree!!!
I hate how little material Jeongyeon has, and who's the one to blame? JYP
actually almost every single producer also chooses to give jeongyeon less lines too so its not just jyp
Producers actually they have biased based on their music
@@user-ck6if5hg9n ofc, producers will always choose who fits better, not by who sings better
@@Nini_K2 yes yes yes that’s what I meant hehe
@@Nini_K2 someone said the members said that they choose lines for the everyone in the group for the song they wrote...so are we gonna drop the hypocrisy or what 💀. I'm not going against Jeongyeon having least lines , but I'm informing y'all that it isn't just jyp
I just cant believe he putted Hwasa on #2....
I love seulgi, but how is she a better belter than Hwasa? you exagerate Hwasa's weaknesses.
I think the points you made on Hwasa's technique are super good but it's also sort of what makes her voice stand out for me (and I'm sure many), that combination of having technique but also throwing it away a little bit for the sake of emotion, color, and interpretation. I think she hits a sweet balance of that. She honestly does so much for Mamamoo's sound overall. Her style really stands out.
Also Seulgi is way more of a mixer than belter, that's why her volume isn't as high and also why she has an easier time with the higher notes.
exactly!!
Hwasa all the way
It's funny how people mistakenly Hwasa or Wheein as the lead vocalist where in FACT, there's no main or lead positions in MAMAMOO. So you can include Solar, Wheein and Hwasa (or even Moonbyul, their rapper :))
I think you used a lot of bad clips for Hwasa. Especially from their performance of Where Are We Now, there are definitely better sounding clips than what you used. Like from their live band performance, Dingo and Sketchbook. You are just really hard on Hwasa for some reason.
THIS!!!
HE IS A BLINK istg he is biased
@@andreaalfonso5379 Going by that logic, he would've ranked Jisoo higher, and she's last in almost every category.
@@goldyd144 of course he wouldn’t that’ll def be obvious 🙄 as you can hear about his description when it’s hwasa’s turn it’s always backhanded compliment or bad at all. He actually said at the end jisoo is his favorite
@@andreaalfonso5379 That's very childish logic, but ok. 👍🏾
Honestly while I love Solar and am curious how she compares with other vocalists, I’m glad Wheein and Hwasa got some spotlight as vocalists in this video.
If talking about vocal techniques
1 Wheein
2 hwasa close behind Wheein (honestly the botje share not nr 1 but because Wheein has a more stable voice with her low voice that’s why she would maybe be “better”
3 solar
4 moonbyul ( honestly moonbyul has the same vocals tone as Wheein but lower
@@bayannoor7724 Lol, Solar is for sure second in mamamoo if we do talk about technique, with bigger more consistent resonance in her mix and overall far more solidness of approach in the A3-C#5 range.
@@bayannoor7724 Not that it really matters but Solar is definitely above Hwasa in terms of technique.
No one compare with hwasa because her voice so unique anther level
@@KPOPSTNP ikr!
For me Hwasa has a best belting in this ranking, Nayeaon surprised me I didn't know she had such a beautiful voice and yes Seulgi is also amazing.
I really want to see Main rapper in Vocal, Jennie, Chaeyoung, Irene, Moonbyul
I don't think it would be interesting since all the ones you said have very underdeveloped techniques
@@andrea-kg6pg i found it intersting to see who has better underdeveloped techniques
@@uta3763 The best technically is Chaeyoung. But in lows would be between Jennie and Moonbyul, belts probably Jennie and in the upper, Chaeyoung.
@@kpopstan9688 Irene?
@@kpopstan9688 I resepct your opinion but i want to see video him explaining it
Just came back to this and realized how biased this is when Hwasa didn’t win the belting section? Like she literally supports C5s when seulgi doesn’t
i agree, but the other sec is reasonable however the belting sec was a mess lol.
It honestly amazes me how much BLACKPINK girls can still improve, yet YG holds them back with their vocal abilities.
Like... Why is he not giving them a proper vocal training? It could actually benefit both his company and the girls themselves 😐
I literally have a video about this on my channel! Jennie and Jisoo are actually the ones who are put at the disadvantage the most in this situation!
@@aintnootherfan I watched that video! I remember how after watching it I had a whole conversation with myself on why is he not giving them a proper vocal training. I literally don't get why he doesn't want them to improve 😐
@@MoonLight-dx6gf Because it's all about money for YG and YG Entertainment. I suspect most of the money Blackpink makes doesn't come from them releasing music but from very profitable modeling contracts with rich companies. Which would explain why Blackpink only have one comeback a year and why it took more than 2 years to get Rose's album which only had 2 songs.
@@brianlittrell797 Probably yes. From what I heard Rosé's solo was ready 2 years ago, but she wasn't allowed to release it.
It's so sad to see YG finding diamonds for kpop industry, but then mismanaging them.
@@MoonLight-dx6gf if yg could let thwm do more proper trainings, I can guarantee that no one can deny their vocals again. They got vocals but is far from perfection.
i'd be really interested in seeing a vocal ranking of main rappers from these groups (chaeyoung, moonbyul, irene, jennie). they all have really pleasing vocals (at least in my opinion) so i'd be quite interested in who's technically the best in those areas
Even tho jennie is my fav but I'd definitely say Moonbyul
Hwasa also should be first at belting, she has the support and resonance while seulgi is super nasal and her tounge tension.
Agree
The thing is Hwasa is inconsistent, while Seulgi tends to have a supported nasally placed voice up to B4 or C5, and well, not sure what you mean by resonant, I see this comment a lot and I don’t get how Seulgi is not resonant, she has a nasal resonance. lol
@@MURAT-zy5eq I might seem biased (because of my nickname) but Hwasa is not that inconsistent as you think. Seulgi is consistent around Bb4 and inconsistent B4 while Hwasa is fairly consistent (as well as resonance) on C5
@@MURAT-zy5eq Nasal resonance is not nasality. Nasality is when you don't lift your soft palate properly, so your sound is projected through your nose, causing a lack of space, projection and a your tone becomes less clear. Nasal resonance is when you "place" your voice properly and project through your nasal cavities (not your nose), e.g. the bones above your nose. The sound becomes clearer, more projected and has better volume and amplification, since your soft palate is lifted high enough to creat more space in the back of the throat.
@@pedropaulogomes6703 singing with a soft palate should not be labeled as “correct” since it’s an stylistic choice and does not affect ones voice. If you lift your palate, the sound will be bigger and rounder, but it does not turn the placement to a nasal placement. You can have a masked projection with your soft palate relaxed.
How could Hwasa not win belts ? None of those vocalists come close to how open she can be, she have a lot less tension then Seulgi and she can actually sustain a nice supported note with ease and control.
I was thinking the same thing.. When belting: Nahh, Hwasa will be ranked first.. Then when she came 2nd I was like what?!???!!
@@nameme7801 Yeah, I was shocked specially considering Seulgi was first when she's nasal and tense even in the mid of her range... she's *at the best* tied with JY at the 2nd
@@MarcosVinicius-zz8pv He choose nice examples of Seulgis belting but the actual healthy belts he added are not touching the 5th octave and are in her comfort range more or less, also she doesn't try to achieve the same volume as Hwasa.
@@MarcosVinicius-zz8pv Still think Jeongyeon edges her due to placement in the G4-C5/C#5 range.
@@andinho6372 hey ... lol
Hwasa is so unique!! Extremely talented
All I can say is that Hwasa is the reason why I changed my mind about kpop. I am not really into kpop, I'm more on western style of music but Hwasa and Mamamoo opens my mind that not all kpop music are so same.
Same
Same
honestly they are the standar in kpop
Same girl
Omg i know im not the only one
Honestly, I love them all. But I have to say, Hwasa is kind of my favorite, even though her technique is not really the best, I consider her voice to be the most interesting of them all. I love her rasp and her falsettos, makes her performances more powerful and different than most feminine voices in kpop.
So 3rd Gen Big 3 groups + Mamamoo lol Of course Red Velvet (and mmm) get high points, SM only debuts great vocalists (and Mamamoo is well, Mamamoo).
Also, I hope you looked into more clips than the ones you showed, some of these girls have way more examples of these categories than that. But obviously, I understand casual listeners like yourself wouldnt know every little clip/stage they've done, so there isn't much to do about that lol. Another great analysis, nonetheless.
Yes, I've watched way more than I included here, these are not the only clips I based my opinion on:)
Thank you for watching!
Nayeon & Jeongyeon such a great vocalist, but I'm surprise for nayeon that she didn't rank that high in upper , I thought her falsetto is nice ,her falsetto relaxed around E5 and her head voice is fairly good I guess😁, maybe she isn't brave enough to challenge herself , or maybe that doesn't count as good . Anyway dope video keep up the good work !!😄. ( Nayeon's agility is my favorite she will become a crazy vocalist, I hope she got that Bb4 consistent again ) .
Edit : and tbh the belting part hmm something doesn't feel right , just wanna say jeongyeon placement A4 - C#5 is very nice and I feel like there's should be a huge gap between hwasa ( she has supported resonance up to C5 ) and mmmm you know , but yea so 3 categories that I disagree , Lower register, belt and upper . Great video anyways , just wanna express my opinion.
Very true but I think she didnt exactly regressed but its because of they style she is taking now. She now kind of has a style when singing which prevents her from improving and supporting higher notes. i can't really explain it but imma find the video in which it talked about Nayeon and all TWICE members
ruclips.net/video/nwMJQRWEK10/видео.html
Go on 7:42 of the YT video and it will explain it better than me:D
Hwasa voice is amazing you have everything...
Imagine calling any member of MMM a "lead vocalist"...
Right?🤣🤭😅 Like, is that thing even exist in Mamamoo
Jeongyeon really does give Jihyo a run for her money in the belts department. It's weird that JYPE doesn't give her more high notes in Twice's music. They've been pushing Nayeon and Jihyo to go higher and higher for belts - Nayeon literally had to lay on her back to sing the high notes for I Can't Stop Me - and they got so much hate for not singing them live after that crazy choreography. A beautiful mid-lower end of a high belt for Jeongyeon (maybe the B4-C#5 department) in a few of their songs wouldn't kill their discography, for crying out loud! Hell, I'm personally for more mid-belts for Nayeon and Jihyo too (I'm positive that they would sound lovely)!
I Agree! Jeongyeon's B4 -D5 Belts sound the best for me (Especially her Get Loud Adlibs)
It depends, like u said; a beautiful mid belt in icsm couldn’t hurt. But then speaking about true high notes that are higher up is where Jeongyeon struggles
@@izonexbae I know! That's why I mentioned mid belts. Nayeon and Jihyo are utilized more because of their higher ranges, but sometimes I think JYPE pushes them too much in that regard (in regards to vocal ability, not for popularity or playing favorites). I'd love to hear them sing more in their comfortable ranges. I do love the high notes in ICSM btw. I just wish that it was something Nayeon in particular could do live, and right now she can't. It's also a chance to hear Jeongyeon more, and that's always a plus.
I think she talked about doing high notes in their live in youtube where they talked about TASTE OF love album and she said during First time she did a lot of high notes but really doesnt enjoy doing them. She can hit them but doesnt like to and feels uncomfortable. I think this is due to TWICE always having the standards being tripled up and getting hate if they have one itty bitty mistake.
@@karla_thee_potato I can see that. It's a legitimate fear. Still, Jeongyeon has never really been mentioned as a bad singer in TWICE, but she does get overlooked a lot. Seems like JYPE isn't doing much to boost her confidence, and their producers pushing for higher and higher high notes must definitely be a contributor, in addition to the pressure from the public constantly picking them apart for their vocals. Doesn't help that she has anxiety too. Poor Jeongyeon. 🥺
Nayeon and Jeongyeon has really a lot of potential especially in their upper register.
YES
Jennie not being included is completely understandable. Solar could be included in a different video maybe? I feel like if you did a video about the vocal skills of main rappers from girl groups (also known to sing) - for example, Soyeon from Gidle, Jennie, Chaeyoung from Twice, Dami from Dreamcatcher, CL, Amber from F(X), Irene, Moonbyul, etc. - that would be a better comparison than in a video like this one where she was at more of a disadvantage against the other vocalists already present. I also feel like you wouldn't be as limited to sticking to "generations" as you would for videos dedicated to vocalists only.
If it wasn't about the generations, the video would be VERY long because he explains everything
@@imascarf9243 I realized that after I made the comment. Someone else mentioned a comparison between Moonbyul, Irene, Jennie, and Chaeyoung and that makes more sense in my opinion. As well, all the idols mentioned were suggestions. He didn't need to use all of them at once. Sorry if that was confusing! 😅
I always argue about that nobody hear me 🙃
CL would probably first
@@slaypa My money was on Soyeon, Moonbyul, or Amber 🤔
Hwasa got unique voice
Even though YG sucks with vocal training, Jisoo is still doing well, so proud of her, hope her and the other girls here can expand their skill and talent even more
do u know what song she sang at 11:50
@@skydendy97 I believe it's her cover on "How Can I Love a Heartbreak", you can find it on RUclips and stuff. Take care!
@@nicz8419 thanks ❤️ have a good day
@@skydendy97 ruclips.net/video/Jqv8Ru-rpBg/видео.html here is the link of the cover
Hwasa should win the lead vocalist competition. I think her album Maria, as well as Mamamoo songs, proved just how versatile and amazing her vocal techniques are. She also has way more solo songs to sample from compared to other idols in this video.
Hwasa has such an amazing voice!!!!!! 💚
Correct me if I am wrong, but I feel like you kinda tried to draw a close battle between Hwasa and Seulgi, however I personally don't see the small gap some ppl see, I see a considerable gap between Hwasa who has a lot of positive qualities that the other Mamamoo members have as well presenting a much stronger more developed instrument within a part of her range, to the other singer.
Hwasa puts style in front of technique, that's the type of a vocalist she is, I l personally love listening to her, but she has her issues, the fact that she comes from a vocals-focused group doesn't automatically make her superior to Seulgi
However if you wanted to be very exact, she technically won in this video, 2* 1st place, 2*2nd place
@@aintnootherfan Having a style she can mostly turn on and off isn't limiting her as much as you suggest, first of all when she wants to she can sing without much of her stylistic rasp, second of all her being stylistic never stopped her from having more than a few open and clean belts as high as B4-C5 with clean support and the added ability to sustain them without straining much.
Out of her belting range (and in it) she has her issue, sure, but she is clearly a vocalist with nice level of proficiency who perform nicley with clarity and control in A3-C5 at least.
Totally agree with you..
Agree with you. Hwasa IS on another level
FINALLY
Jisoo's Deep voice is so amazing....the way she harmonizes and her high notes are so good...her voice is super flexible....she has the best voice I have ever heard 💜
Hwasa and Seulgi are the best, i love their voices.
Hwasa❤️❤️❤️ all of the mmm members hav such mature voices. They might not be the most popular gg but wen it comes to vocals there's literally no group who could beat them.
Imagine having 3 'main vocalists' in a single group👑👑👑wawww
Overall it is our queen HWASA❤️👑
Hmmm don’t know man. Hwasa belting can be pushed sometimes, but so does seulgi’s and she also has quite a lot of other issues. if you consider that + that hwasa’s supported belting goes higher…. I would say for belting hwasa nr 1.
I agree. I feel like the he tried to reach a bit
Jisoo is amazing, just her tone makes me enjoy listening to her soooo much.
Hwasa didn't belt 4 times in one song to rank her 2
Her belting technique is diffrent for sure but it does make her Unique in a positive way So yeah No
This is based on technique not being unique😐
Hwasa is main vocal
Wheein solar hwasa --main vocal
There are no mains or leads in mamamoo. But considering several aspects, hwasa is the weakest among those three.
Mamamoo doesn't have official vocalist positions, the three of them are just "vocalists" while Byul is a "Sub Vocalist". Therefore, he picked the weakest out of the three vocalists.
@@septiawan4431 I don't think hwasa is weakest it just each of them have weakest and strength but like this Creator said he choose hwasa bcs it more suitable to compare with other lead vocalist.
Hwasa obviously will be on place 1
Wheein still ACE OF KPOP!
I really like these ranking videos. Outside of girlbands I think it would be cool if you did other topics like (Legends Whitney Mariah Celine lara Sohyang etc.) or (Popular vocalists of our generation Ariana Demi Tori Perrie etc.) or even (unique voices Halsey Jesy Nelson Rosé etc) But I'm down with this whole girl band era. I love it!!!
1. Hwasa - clearly the strongest among these 5. Got decent support from A3 to C5. The only one in this list has pushed resonance (not ideal, but still is resonant)
2. Seulgi - she’s around Jihyo’s level i would say. Seulgi’s strongest asset is her strongly developed lower range, very pushy and nasal in her mixed range. The highest she supported so far are A4/Bb4
3. Jeongyeon - there we go, the least utilized vocalist in TWICE. Imma start by saying Jeongyeon having stronger mid belts than Seulgi, as she’s more reliable in A4/Bb4 range. Jeongyeon has quite a problem with pushing her chest voice, which carries over to her legato as well
4. Nayeon - she was better during Sixteen days. Back then she had A4’s supported quite consistently, but now after years of having to sing outside her range and carrying TWICE’s most challenging lines, supporting an A4 is lucky for Nayeon. Just sad.
5. Jisoo - she has some okay moments of being fairly relaxed in her mid range. But Jisoo hasn’t truly grasped the concept of diaphragmatic support yet. Too much throat tensions
Still, Hwasa not every single time that has resonance is pushing. She can resonate without pushing sometimes.
@@thatname4451 i would like see where you got that from. From what I’ve observed since debut, Hwasa’s bad habits of vocal cord compressions has always caused her to sound overly chesty throughout her mixed range, super pushy and unbalanced. Every single member of Mamamoo (except Moonbyul since she’s more of a rapper position) has this issue, you easily tell they were trained by the same teacher(s). They have similar vocal habits, strengths and weaknesses, even similar supported range as well. The one with the most balanced mix and most relaxed falsetto AND least tendency to lower the larynx in lower range is Wheein. Wheein just has the healthiest overall technique in Mamamoo, though Solar and Hwasa are not far behind
@@thatname4451 well like i said, i need proof.
It's true that jisoo darker tone is amazing but she is just ok singer .
She audition to become actress but I don't know what the heck is YG thinking at that time???
Yuki no Hana was amazing with her darker tone but clarity was neither good nor bad she can't pull off that High note.
@@thongampremchand9014 YG doesn't really have a training for actors. They just sign existing actors, but they don't have training for that unlike for idols. So it's understandable why Jisoo ended up being an idol.
No matter what you say, still Hwasa only Sololist here
Kimyongsun 💙
Moonbyulyi ❤️
Jungwheein 💟
Ahnhyejin💛
MA~MA~MOO~
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will never trust somebody who does hwasa this dirty. 😀 thank you for opinion ig but no
Ahn Hwasa my love
Mamamoo vocal queens
i’m so here for all this recent kpop content!
Hwasa is by far the best in belting/mixed because it can be argued that even Jeongyeon is stronger than Seulgi that area. Hwasa can produce resonance up to C5 while Seulgi is already and tight around A4/Bb4 (some said that even as early as G#4). It can be also argued that Nayeon has a slightly better lower register than Hwasa but not by much. I do believe Jeongyeon has a better lower register than Jisoo and is closer or maybe on par with Hwasa in that category.
Overall it's Hwasa>>>>Seulgi>Jeongyeon>Nayeon>>Jisoo.
Hawasa>>>seulgi
Nayeon>>>>>jisoo
Can resonant but not supported
jeongyeon’s belts dont compare to seulgis especially in the upper register
@@christoffermillerante1772 you can't really resonate without support. resonance is like the higher version of support
@@hwasafan3318 not true, because strain and tension can occur even you can resonate the note and thats the main problem hwasa. She might resonate the notes but those notes aren't supported due to her tension.
Overall
1. Hwasa
2. SEULJI
3. Jeongyeon
4. Nayeon
5. JISOO
I’m confusedddddd about the belting section. You put seulgi above hwasa but the clips you chose prove otherwise ....
It's good to see a Jisoo vocals fan. In my mind Jisoo is an alternate universe Miyeon, the main vocalist of (G)I-dle, and in her universe she's underdeveloped and underutilized...for some reason. 🤷🏾♀️ I didn't find out until recently that Miyeon used to be a YG trainee, for a group that didn't end up debuting, and actually knows the members of Blackpink. Jisoo and Miyeon have very similar voices(to my ear anyway) and visuals but I think they would actually sound really nice singing together. 🥰 I hope that actually happens one day. 🤞🏿
The belting one is messy ngl, even if you don't think support is very meaningfull, Seulgi is super nasal and tight all they way throught her mix, i don't see how she would even above Jeongyeon, let alone hwasa.
True, Hwasa has a lot more openess in her best moments
right
@@thatname4451 same i find this guy sus:| maybe biased?
@@dahliaferocity2585 Yes.
Because seulgi does support up to B4 while jeongyeon doesn’t. Seulgi is def way better than Jeongyeon
I agree with everything except the ranking in belting. because hwasa is clearly better than seulgi in that particular area, actually hwasa just simply better than seulgi. But seulgi is also great vocalist. Mamamoo and RV are vocal beasts
Hwasa 💚💚💚💚
I love her voice so much 😊
I really hate Mamamoo members being compared to others like they are not already pros!!
But what's wrong with this??? Why u Moomoos are so toxic like this?? Lol
@@inyochayacha548 nope it's not toxicity. toxicity is hating on others. I'm just stating facts, mamamoo are really not anyone to be messed with
@@eleniOG this is a toxicity lol, Mamamoo are singers like the other singers and there is nothing wrong if we compare them with others so stop this shit they are not the most talented one, there are many other groups who are as talented as Mamamoo so there is nothing wrong if we compare them lol
@@inyochayacha548 nahh try again. if you know nothing abt mamamoo don't talk. but i know all abt these idols that they are being compared too and they are nothing compared to them ESPECALLY with voccalsss byee
@@eleniOG lol, Ik Hwasa is the best here in vocal lol but there is nothing wrong with compare her, and Seulgi isn't far from her and we all know that besides vocal ,Nayeon and Seulgi are much better than her in dancing skills lol so stop acting like only Mamamoo are the only talented group, Wendy is better than all of Mamamoo members and this is a fact, but as a group Ik Mamamoo are better than RV, and Blackpink are better than Mamamoo in rap and dance lol and Twice much better than Mamamoo in dancing skills and team work performances
So I hope u will be well soon, and get that Mamamoo are not the only talented group here cuz there are many other talented groups as Mamamoo lol
This ranking list should be
1. Hwasa (supported range : A3-C5)
2.Seulgi (sp range : G3/G#3 - A4/Bb4)
3.Jeongyeon (sp range : A3/Bb3 - A4/Bb4)
5.Nayeon (sp range : A3/Bb4 - A4)
6.Jisoo
Bonus : There are lots of good lead vocalists of gen3 who can support like Narae (Spica) ,Hyerin and Hani (Exid) ,Yoohyeon ( Dreamcatcher) , Yebin (DIA) , Chungha (I.O.I) ,Jiwoo ( Kard)....
You meant A3/Bb3 by Nayeon? Id give her G#3/A3-A4
@@andinho6372 i think her G#3 is lucky moment ,it’s extremely unconsistent
@@huycao2573 Can you give examples? I could only think of 2 unsupported G#3s from her tbh.
My queen Hwasa ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I love Jisoo her tone is unique and refreshing, for me at least. But YG doesnt really focus on vocal training its such a shame, so much potential wasted and with jennie too.
Give other girls Hwasa’s low lines, they’ll fail.
I closely follow SM female vocalists and in terms of the lower range, one thing I found is that almost all of their main & lead female vocalists can CONSISTENTLY SUPPORT until G3 note, which may not be super special for sopranos but quite impressive imo, showing consistency of vocal skills of SM vocalists.
Edit: in terms of agility, idols aren't generally trained that much in that area probably because most of them sing pop music & not R&B, so riffs & runs are kinda underlooked during training. That's why mamamoo is an impressive idol group showing their agility skills in their music.
Lower register Jeongyeon > Jisoo
Jeongyeon can support down to A3 and having maintianed tonality down to the F#3. She is obviously technically better. (Jisoo doesn't even have real support range)
Jeongyeon's mix is also better than Seulgi. Seulgi is overall better but they're still close in term of technique. Seulgi has better lower and upper but Jeongyeon's mix is fuller while Seulgi is very nasal and has tough tension.
Yeah I agree♡︎
agreed!
I don't think jeongyeon is really better than seulgi in mixed register. Because they are about the same. Supported at the same notes, jy has better projection but seulgi is more consistent. Yes seulgi's are nassal, but jy is shouty, throaty and strains. That's why you hear more volume. So for me jy and seulgi are tied on belting/mixed reguster. And seulgi is far better in low notes. Her G3s fuller than jy A3s, more consistent, has more clarity too. So maybe their gap is not super mega big, but for me it's quite noticeable.
@@fudanshiakut5114 I've never said Jeongyeon's lower register is better than Seulgi's tho. I've already said that Seulgi has better lower. But for mixed register, Seulgi’s placement is very nasal because she does not sing with a lifted soft palate. Tension is present even within her supported range, She already sounds tight/pushy above G#4. Mixed register is actually where Seulgi struggles the most. But Jeongyeon. Mixed register is her strongest register. She has fuller mix and better placement, she is better than Seulgi from G#4 all the way to C#5/D5.
@@JS-qg8uz but seulgi still has 2 supported B4 while jeongyeon doesn't
well i agree with everything but i found myself shocked at the belts section...but I'm not saying ur wrong or i disagree at all..lol...well many ppl esp kpop stans go off with the supported range alone without caring or considering for other stuff like clarity,volume output, vibrance,tonal quality , interpretation skills,dynamics control and issues etc...so that caught me off guard i guess
Undoubtedly, Hwasa all the way
Hwasa voice is so amazing
stop complementing hwasa im tired of liking all y'alls comments
Hwasa 👑🎤👑🎤👑🎤👑🎤🎤👑🎤👑🎤🎤👑👑
Seulgie 👑🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤👑👑👑👑👑👑 mamavelvet love both if them queen of vocals
Hwasa tries to sing in this jazzy, sassy style that I feel sometimes hinders her when it comes to belts (which explains the grit/pushing/tension/etc.). It's her only weakness as a vocalist imo. 🤷🏾♀️
She definitely puts style above technique! I love listening to her, she's a great idol singer but this video is focused on technique
I could say that Hwasa has such a vocal load in Mamamoo, she's the stylistic one in the group's vocal line, I'm sure she could belt but I think it would damage her vocals from overuse..
@@aintnootherfan I agree to you
Imagine being a main dancer and slaying the vocals that much, Seulgi is a queen ace 👑 !
The others are also so amazing especially Hwasa 🔥🔥
The gap between Wendy and Wheein is double when it comes to Hwasa and Seulgi. And the bad habits you pointed out should be below the cons category(not in actual technical ranking if you'd include pros and cons ofc) bcs Hwasa is by far the best belter I mean with C5 like hello? and Seulgi being the ambitious belter doesn't change the fact that she can only support B4 and not consistent.
Louder Yes
Honestly I don't see any gap between Wendy and Wheein 😅well if they say it is because of the technique I'm gonna just accept it cuz I don't know anything about technique and stuff, but I like more the sound that Wheein produces 😂 And for Hwasa I'm not gonna even say anything in this ranking
But hwasa belts are inconsistent, can resonant but not supported
And bruh, Hwasa can resonate too! She should be higher than Seulgi (belting)
@@christoffermillerante1772 Ahhh, I see
Lul jeongeon better than jisoo and nayeon.....
You need to know well bout them.........
There's a reason there's no main in Mamamoo, 3/4 of the group are main vocal material. Hwasa is no 1 undoubtedly
1. Jeongyeon has support A3/Bb3 and Jisoo doesn't support her lower register at all? How can you put Jisoo above Jeongyeon
2. Seulgi best supported notes is B4, meanwhile Hwasa resonate her C5 consistently, how the hell Seulgi is better in belting than Hwasa
3. In upper register, how the hell Jisoo is better than Seulgi and Jeongyeon, Nayeon? all of them use falsetto, however Seulgi, Jeongyeon and Nayeon relax at D5/Eb5, Jisoo can relax at only C5/C#5, above C#5 her falsetto is too airy. What is the criteria here when you judge Jisoo above them?
probably he did that because he didnt want jisoo to be last the whole video
@@Sun-kissed_lips but why did he put "unbiased" in the title?
Hwasa queen!! Forever all mamamoo!!
hwasa not being no 1 in belting does NOT sit right with me
1) Seulgi
2) Hwasa
3) Nayeon
4) Jeongyeon
5) Jisoo
Kind of correct. Hwasa used to be a very high average - above average vocalist, but over the years, she actually regressed and lost her resonance. Seulgi is very consistent in her vocals.
Of those mentioned, Nayeon and Seulgi are my favorites followed really closely by Jeongyun. Nayeon. has a unique kaleidoscope of bright vocal color that rises so high in the vocal register with fine projection and resonance which is a really enticing quality so rarely even mentioned and a real signature of Twice's cute upbeat sound.
Seulgi- compliments Wendy really well especially in their R and B flavored songs. She has a lovely resonant hum and great sense of R and B rhythm and soul in suprisingly powerful belts and when doing ballads.
Jeongyun - strong clear and resonance delivery in the mid range register which adds a much needed deeper tone to the Twice vocal line. Probably underused in the songs or she would be able to shine more.
The belting part, you’re lying 😐
How would you rank them ?
As expected, there's some great vocal moments in here from everyone mentioned! I feel like people are already about to be a little weird about Seulgi not being ranked higher for agility (based on RV's B-sides), but like you said, you based this on live performances.
The way MAMAMOO tops Big 3 Groups in Vocal department. THEY'RE LEGENDS COMING FROM A SMALL COMPANY. VOCAL QUEENS, INDEED!!! 💅🏻✨
Wendy is an exception tho. Wendy alone can outsang all of them.
@@haooo.4 FACT!!
Does anyone stand a chance against Hwasa???
Nayeon has better lows than Hwasa. She can support A3/G#3 quite consistently and has supported G3 in sixteen. Hwasa does not even support to G#3.
Hwasa is by far the best belter. Seulgi still issues with excess nasality and tongue tension which considerably lowers the quality of support and projection. While Hwasa has issues with too much chestiness and inconsistency, she is much more open, forward and resonant than Seulgi. Seulgi does not even support B4 consistently, while Hwasa can maintain support to C5 despite having throatiness at times. But she is still much better than Seulgi. Your reasoning seems to be that Seulgi challenges herself yet is that not an an indication of someone who is not a smart vocalist?
But anyway good video.
Nayeon is the voice of twice, even her solo sounds like twice, she is truly the face and the voice of twice
Am I the only one who prefers Hwasa's vocals over Seulgi's? No offence to Seulgi she is amazing too and I love her
hmmmm belting seulgi over hwasa??
Yea ngl you made the gap between Hwasa and Seulgi seem far close than it actually is, especially with the fact that Hwasa can support c5s yet Seulji can't and you still gave the edge to Seulgi. I'm still a fan of your channel but a few things were objectively incorrect in this video.
Seulgi and hwasa are main vocal material in MOST/SOME groups yall can argue W the wall as they slay
Next time please make for rapper including our queen MOOBYUL 👑
I don't believe Jisoo low note better than Jeongyeon, because Jisoo doesn't have real support
true 😭 nayeon's low note is also better than Hwasa.
Watch Suki No Hana
Jisoo low register is basically low larynx
@@johnlloydquitain8116 no
@@johnlloydquitain8116 WAIT REALLY?!
I think it'd be interesting to see you rank rappers as vocalists.
•Low register:
Jisoo
I agree with you on everything but the last part were you said Seulgi can produce a head voice, which is clearly not true. She uses a falsetto which can be somewhat relaxed and decently projected but it comes nowhere close to what a real head voice is, very few vocalists these days are actually capable of producing one
(Examples of good head voices lie mostly in older opera singers like pre-regression María Callas, Montserrat Caballé and Joan Sutherland)
@@xeroxsaw1303 She can at times produce a more connected upper register, we don't really need to get into the definition of those labels.
@@ace0-017 I’m yet to find any contemporary artist produce a proper head voice though, I just hear different falsettos, some of which are strained, but others which are quite relaxed and beautiful (like Wendy’s for instance). But it’s still a hollow sound airy sound with no core which indicates the singer is not using their modal voice
@@xeroxsaw1303 Head voice in contemporary music has a different quality, it is not as connected and has less resonance (ring). From a classical point of view, it can't really be considered a true head voice, but my comment was based on the technical principles of contemporary music.
@@pedropaulogomes6703 It’s actually not that, tons of classical singers nowadays also use falsetto/collapsed head voice, but this was not so 50 years ago
Anyways the main thing is that head voice is really just chest voice produced through a different coordination of muscles, but it really is just the same register, it’s still the modal voice, which is why classical sopranos used to sound strong and powerful
Falsetto on the other hand is just a different register where only the ligaments of the vocal cords are actually used, and it has a more airy and hollow quality. It can be reinforced to the point where it can sound pretty close to head voice (falsettone) but this doesn’t seem to be the case with contemporary singers
But that’s fine, as you said contemporary and classical are not the same and a true head voice in contemporary music, put in place of falsetto would sound weirdly strong in most cases, which is why I don’t think contemporary singers should be evaluated based on their head voices really
Solar is a main vocalist so that's why he included Hwasa who's a lead vocalist. But Mamamoo members can all be main vocalist in other kpop groups LMAO
There is no main position in their group and no lead
Granted Solar is the main belter of the group that a lot of people consider that position to be held by the main vocalist. But I honestly feel like both Hwasa And Wheein are more seasoned and sound the most balanced and well rounded. Their tones are also more crisp whilst on the other hand Solar only shines in the belts area and even in that area they give her a run for her money. Her voice also strains easily based on all the videos I watched of Mamamoo
@@hectormsk9463 Solar is still better than Hwasa and isn't far from Wheein.
@@ace0-017 that was just my opinion friend. You are welcome to yours and I respect it. 🙏
@@hectormsk9463 Just saying that technique-wise that's the case, feel free to like whoever you want.
my overall ranking:
5. jisoo
4. jeong
3. nayeon
2. seulgi
1. hwasa
Jeongyeon is objectively agreed upon to be a better vocalist than nayeon
@@whatsopanime But not now, in the future naybe
@@mydearonthetop6139 no lol, from the beginning Jeongyeon is much better than Nayeon lol
@@inyochayacha548 ok, technique go to jeongyeon but highnote go to nayeon
@@mydearonthetop6139 Highnotes doesn't make u a better vocalist, if Nayeon hits Highnotes better then it's not always that she is the best, because technique is the thing that says if this member is better than the other or not so it's all about technique so overall Jeongyeon is much better lol
The thing I like in SM is the way they produced half or all Vocally talented in their group. MMM is still the Best GG in terms of Vocal, they're indeed the Vocal Queens.