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The reason he’s untradable Isn’t because he doesn’t have value, it’s because of his full no move
I don't think Tavares is to blame at all. Guy is putting up the points and he shows up most games. In fact, the problem isn't with any of the 4 of them, individually. The real problem is that these 4 as a unit can't get it done. It's not working, so they need to be broken up. Dump 2 and find some new forwards that can get the chemistry going, because right now, there isn't any.
They don’t have a number one defenceman, that’s what the problem is, every team that has won the cup has one
He literally sent them to the second round
Those 4 dominated Tampa.
Their series with Florida was far closer than a 5 game 'beatdown' the way some Leafs fans suggest it was.
The issue really isn't the Core 4.
It's that their grit players are one dimensional, their goalies are susceptible to inconsistent defensive play, and their offense is overly concerned with making TikTok highlight reels.
@nolankuffner3573 last 5 years they have tried everything to round out the team. Speedy guys, big guys, experienced guys, pests, different coaching staff, different goalies. It hasn't worked. And if youre gonna say its because they didnt get the right pieces, well thats cause they cant pay for the right pieces. I used to think like you, they just need to find the right mix, but nothing has worked. Its time to at least try something new.
@@nolankuffner3573Matthews, JT and Marner dominated Tampa? Matthews yeah, 9 points 6 games. But then 2 assists in the entire Florida series, and did nothing but be a liability in the last 3 games. Marner dominated also against Tampa, but then had 3 points in the Florida series, and was a defensive liability also (Selke finalist btw). JT, aside from the hat trick in game 2 versus Tampa, was absolutely horrendous all playoffs, 7 goals being solely on his shoulders alone. Nylander was the only guy who tried the entire playoffs, regardless of his team or their situation.
Leafs fans seem to forget that their star players didn’t show up in the second round, and never have in decades. But when your team parties so hard that the team forgets how to play hockey, it’s understandable.
The worst part is it feels like they tried to rush a young team (that already had Kadri) into winning by signing Tavares when they could have built for a sustainable future. But I guess Leaf’s brass thinks never having LW’s in your top 6 or any depth and losing players like Nylander in their prime is cool. Sucks for Leafs fans because it’s not like they would have done much worse if they were patient and never got JT.
Those LW's like Hyman who was there and is now a key player on the Oilers? Most teams only have two superstars on a top line. The Leafs have 3-4 on their top two lines. It's other parts of the lineup and probably the coach that has been the issue as much as the forwards.
@@markbirtchnell2249 Yes, the leafs depth is the issue. They're spending too much and 4 players which makes them top heavy. No balance.
@@markbirtchnell2249 yes, those LW's like Hyman who they couldn't afford to keep or Bunting who was a shot in the dark and luckily completely out performed his contract. Outperformed it to the point the Leafs couldn't afford him. It's also those LW's like Dennis Malgin, a career AHLer, who was the 2LW at the start of last year because they had no one else before they had a revolving door of different guys fill that spot. My point isn't that the LW's have always sucked, it's that there isn't any stability. They have only had a consistent top 4, not a true top 6 year after year. Which comes down to paying guys like Tavares 11 million to be on the second line to give production similar to a Dylan Larkin who the Wings just gave an 8 million dollar contract to be their 1C. Should Tavares be paid more than Larkin? I guess, but that doesn't change the fact they put up similar numbers and one teams gets that production for like 3 million cheaper. So the Leafs are paying more for what other teams get for less. So you get to make points like Hyman is amazing for the Oilers. Exactly, they couldn't afford to keep him in a Leafs uniform.
@@nickperkowski2407 I don't think many teams in the league have a group that sees no ins/outs. 2/3 of the league are right at the cap and every team has to move pieces around and decide which players are worth keeping. The Leafs make the call that Marner/Nylander are worth it over having 2x Hyman or whoever.
Just look at the players Tampa have had to let walk recently. Or Kadri walking away from Colorado. I'm sure they wanted to keep everybody together but its not possible in today's NHL. The difference is the Leafs haven't won yet. If they do then the narrative falls away.
@@markbirtchnell2249 of course no team is the same year after year and many teams are up against the cap because the cap hasn’t gone up. That affects the leafs too, but I don’t think the leafs situation is similar. The Avalanche didn’t resign Kadri because Kadri was in his 30’s, coming off a career year he was unlikely to maintain, looking for a raise after getting 4.5 mil the last few years. The Avs knew they had higher priorities like paying MacKinnon. Or look at the Wings and Bruins not resigning Bertuzzi. He was asking for too much by both teams’ estimation. Whether it was Bertuzzi, Kadri or say like Killorn from Tampa, they were let go because they were looking to sign for too much money. That’s an example of teams avoiding the situation the Leafs have with Tavares where they have a good player, who doesn’t justify his value to the team. Again, Tavares is giving Larkin production, which is great, but not 11 million great. It might even be more like Nugent-Hopkins at 5 mil since both RNH and JT are second liners and have been getting half their points on the pp. But my point is JT contract has been a big problem for filling out the roster (top 6 lw being one example) that the leafs never needed to give themselves to begin with. They signed him expecting Matthews to both be the better player and play 1C. Tavares was signed as an expected eventual backup. The only way to justify that is if Tavares is lights out. He hasn’t been, he’s been Larkin or Nugent-Hopkins good. That’s not good enough for what the Leafs have been paying him. Why pick on Tavares and not the other 10 mil+ guys? Because Tavares put a young team in a win now mode before they were ready, he’s a luxury at 2c that isn’t outperforming players making a lot less than him, and he’s the clear odd man out compared to the younger Matthews and Marner. So yeah other teams make dumb moves too and are up against the cap, but the leafs are still 2.9 million above the cap after LTIR. And will have to resign or replace Bertuzzi, Domi, and possibly Nylander next year while Tavares will still be there. Somethings gotta give and Tavares makes most sense. Because like you said Marner and Nylander might be worth 2x Hymans, but Tavares doesn’t seem like that and he’s helped prevent keeping both Hyman and Nylander.
The problem with JT is not that he's a bad player. The problem is that he's paid like a superstar when he's not one. Like Darnell Nurse in Edmonton, his cap hit is around $2-3M higher than it should be, and when you look at the kind of 3rd line upgrades you could get with $3M dollars, it makes sense to be a little upset.
Thank you! He’s never been a superstar, not even in NY
if he isn't a superstar then how has he been about a point per game player for the vast majority of his career? Don't say "cause he's got no cups" cause cups are a team accomplishment not individual and he has carried teams single handedly before that are both decent and mediocre
then why were so many NY fans bitching and crying when he left in FA and calling him traitor repeatedly?@@CasuallyCommentingBaseThings
@@ethanparker7900 is point per game the standard of a superstar? Dude's a star, sure, but the only guy in the league who matches his salary while putting up fewer than 90 points last year is Auston Matthews. Other guys at his level of production are making between $7 Mil and $9 Mil, and there are plenty of guys outscoring him on much cheaper contracts. He's a good player and any team would be happy to have him, but he's overpayed by a margin that could sign a pretty solid 3rd line winger.
third line??? Why would he be a third liner if hes putting up 80 points? Thats more like first or second line status and I am assuming you are just saying shit cause the leafs got too much star power and not enough grit right otherwise you gotta b dumb. I am not saying he the best cause he ain't and no one is perfect but dudes valuable as hell @@reaganharder1480
The problem is not that he isn’t an “effective” 2C. The problem is that the way this team is constructed they should have kept Kadri and used the salary differential to sign a top four defenseman. They would have been much stronger and harder to beat that way.
The problem is they traded kadri for a bag of pucks
@@cjmllvv What did you expect?
He missed 2 playoff series in a row trying to kill someone. If he didn't they could have beaten Boston.
Having Tavares at 2C is a luxury. Luxuries are generally expensive.
It gives them a matchup advantage vs almost everyone, especially on home ice.
Except that the size of his contract forces them to skimp hard on bottom 6 talent, giving their 3rd and 4th lines a matchup disadvantage vs almost everyone
I can’t remember the last time the Leafs had a “bad” bottom 6, probably back with Frazer Mclaren and Joey Crab
especially in the playoffs
@@jadenippersiel912 Some narratives hold on so long. People still call the Leafs a fast team which they haven't been for 3 or more years now. They still say the Leafs are bad defensively which they haven't been for several years now (they could be worse this year though).
They weren't even soft in this year's playoffs. There was something of a lack of intensity in round 2 which could be described as a form of softness or lack of compete but wasn't traditional softness. I wouldn't make excuses for them but I wonder how much the burden of winning round 1 after so long caused a bit of a let-down in round 2. Sport is very psychological and that round 1 win was a huge weight of this team. I thought that would loosen them up but it could have had the opposite effect and we may see the benefit in round 1 this year.
The problem is more that they are paying too much for 4 forwards to be able to surround them with the right role players under the cap
I think us Leafs fans are just tired of losing. I think that when Shanahan got hired and they started making big moves, either good or bad, it showed us that they were willing to make an serious commitment to win. It really got everyone excited. Now, years later, we are coming off that high as none of those moves panned out and we are back to the 'MID' level of performance. Now the team is just a meme. Over the last 55 years, we have changed just about every aspect of the team and its culture, hell even the arena has changed and still nothing to show for it. For me I'm tired of losing and tired of being humiliated. I wont blame Tavares or anyone else specially, but I can definitely understand the Toronto fans trying to figure out why we can't win. What else on earth can be done for this team to win?
There a good team they will eventually get there like the caps or 90’s wings. In the meantime it’s really fun to laugh at the leafs
You know the difference?
There are more than 6 teams 😂
Seriously though, being a top 8 of 32 (the top 25%) really isn't as horrible as Leafs fans act like it is.
How many repeat champions have there been that haven't been considered GOAT type teams?
Very few.
The 70s Flyers. The 80s Islanders and Oilers. The 90s Penguins and Red Wings. The 2000s Avalanche. The 2010s Blackhawks and Lightning.
The fact is, there have been few true dominant franchises for the full breadth of those 55 years, and that's not half of the teams to win the Cup.
The fact of the matter is, whether Leafs fans want to accept it or not, the playoffs are a second season for two reasons.
One: those big contracts? That's paid out by the end of the season.
They don't suddenly make less per game because they made the playoffs. That extra just doesn't count against the salary cap. So they are earning that money. It's divided between 82 regular season games.
The second part of it is pretty easy to understand.
If you play Auston Matthews today and Sidney Crosby tomorrow, chances are pretty high Matthews has a better game than if you're playing him 6 times in a row and you can learn his patterns and disrupt his game.
It's always strange to me when people are surprised goalies (generally more intelligent than the jocks who play forward 😂) can go on these big runs when their job is basically trigonometry at 30mph.
Losing*
Why is that word so hard for people to spell?
You’d think with the amount of losing Toronto does, their fans would have mastered that word by now
@@gohabs8918buddy as Montreal fans we have no room to talk
@@gohabs8918well as a Habs fan I guess you've prefected it in 30 years.
JT is perfectly fine where he is. Not to mention he’s improved his skating over the last couple years, at 32. JT is not the problem.
I'll drink to that.
forreal, im sick of leafs fans immediately shitting on tavares for almost every thing, which is hilarious. he's been solid his whole career as a leaf, but when the team needs changes or needs to make moves, it's always a tavares problem.
It's great. Dubas signed the leafs up for a decade of failure. He isn't the only problem but he is 1/4 of it lol. Leafs suck..
He’s a part of a problem, which is they are overpaying all 3 of their top players. Most teams will manage to leverage their own good players contracts against guys they need to lock up, which Dubas did not do till he got to Nylander.
How can you sit there and tell me the Leafs would not be better off with Kadri there and 4 M left to get Rielly an elite partner that is not called Brodie.
they would have moved him if he didn't have a no trade in his deal.
you keep forgetting about +/-
-33 during his career, -15 during the last 2 years.
no accolades over his last 4 seasons
last year: the 4th highest paid center in the nhl with the 18th most (center) points
And probably 30th in even strength points (41 last year). Put him on Arizona and he would be lucky to crack 50 points.
Lol. He gets paid at least 2.5 million too much.
Name another team that pays 23 million for their top two centers and has been successful. Not one team has gone far in the playoffs with two 11 million dollar centers. Kadri would have been cheaper for longer and been just as successful behind Matthews and Marner, this was just Dubas wanting the shiny toy and it cost him a lot of money. I'm not saying Johnny isn't value for the deal I'm saying he was redundant on this team for that much money.
For me it isn't John Tavares' contract in terms of fulfilling his end of the bargain, it's the club. It's that as soon as they signed him it would be impossible to pay the other guys long term who were younger and as good/better. The signing essentially put the Leafs in the position they're in now where if they do keep the 4, there is little room for depth.
Trade Matthews. It would be incredibly stupid not to. For those who forgot that it was his greed. Him making sure to get his money, as quick as possible, Before Nylander and Marner. Is the reason that the Leafs are in this mess. #tradematthews
Absolutely. I only wish I could smash the like button more times.
I do agree with your overall point. However, paying $11m / yr for a 2nd line C is ridiculous in the the salary cap era. Not only is that 1st line C $, it's also top 5 or top3 C in the league $.
This is what happens when GM's sign contracts based on where folks predict what the cap will be, not what it is.
11 mil for a point per game player is not a good contract. JT isn’t sinking the leafs, but your overpaying all 3 of your top players and that’s a problem. The Dubas effect.
Notice the difference between the Leafs top four and 97 & 29 in Edmonton? The Oilers disappointed in the playoffs too. But Leon and Connor didn’t.
Plus Edmonton pays 21 million too two guys that play better then Toronto’s main guys that they pay 42 million. Nylander the only guy I see hustle and try. He fit in with Edmonton perfectly I know he would.
Leafs fans need to calm down! Even if two generation did not see Leafs win a Stanley cup doesn't mean they are bad! They are still a good season team!
Tavares is still a fine player, but he is definitely overpaid by a couple million. As for him being untradeable, Tavares has already said that he is where he wants to be, and that he has no intention of waiving his NMC.
Not over paid by a couple million. 11 is about right where he lands as a 27 year old ufa who is a franchise centreman captain of two different teams first overall pick. List goes on. 11 million and you take that contract every time you get the chance
@@cjmllvv 11M for 80 points? There are two players in the league with equal or higher salaries who scored less than 100 points last season, and one of them is Auston Matthews. Toronto holds 3 of the top 10 highest paid players in the league, all three of them are below 100 points, and only 2 of those top 10 have lower point production than JT. Every other team in the league values 80 point players around 8-9M.
@@reaganharder1480 john tavares was from a draft class that didn't get paid in their rfa years. It was his time to cash in. And he was first overall in that class, so he gets the biggest bag
@@cjmllvv ok? So it makes sense for him personally to want that bag. Sure. But no other team is paying even 10M to an 80 point player. First overall pick means nothing when you're 32, unless you still haven't made it to the league in which case it means you're a bust. JT's had plenty of time in the league to showcase the kind of player he is, and the kind of player he is gets paid 8-9M by every team except the Leafs.
@@reaganharder1480 youre comparing tavaras to rfas though
Nylander scores big goals in the playoffs. 6.5 million a year for him was a great deal. Every year in the playoffs he scores big goals. but leaf fans are ungrateful
Nylander always gets lumped into every "Whats wrong with the Leafs?!?" conversation. At this point it's just ridiculous.
The problem is he’s making almost as much as mcdavid, McKinnon, Pastrnak, players that can lead teams and the league. He should be making probably 60% of what he’s making
Pasta had 76 EV points to JT's 41. McDavid had 75. MacKinnon 77.
85% more points at even strength.
So unless they are calling tons of penalties in your playoff series, JT is almost a healthy scratch level.
Obviously a solid hockey player and a quiet leader who leads by example with a solid work ethic. Not just JT but I question if the Core 4 bring the Leafs the intangeables that a Messier brought to the 90's Rangers. As an Islander I think there were issues with him and GM Snow that he kept to himself. Just the nature of his personality.
The fact is that paying a 2C $11 million is a recipe for disaster. I don't think people really believe Tavares can't play at a 2C or 1C level but it is the cost relative to his performance that is making Leafs fans pissed. A lot of differ (better) ways you could use $11 million...
Its untradeable because he literally has control of whether or not he moves. We also just saw Karlsson do what very few defenseman have ever done and he went for cap dumps and a 1st.The flat cap era has really put a few teams in a bad spot.
So yeah, the core 4 will always be picked out because with so much invested there they keep losing good depth as they develop and have to run a meh defense
Marner is likely the best of the 4, long term, but Tavares is a super strong member of the team. Leaf fans are too reactive to micro-trends
Micro-trends? They have lost early every year he's been with them! lol
Only gets points on the PP. Ridiculously overpaid. Dylan Cozens played with two rookies last season and outscored JT at even strength 47 to 41.
those 10 mil + contracts is bad very bad for the team concept
I'm tired, no one was saying that, certainly not Leaf fans.
He's still a 1st line C on a lot of teams he's putting up those points on the 2nd line too
41 even strength points is not elite. Barely second line material.
I think that most people are missing the point here which is how much fun it is to watch the Laffs lose and listen to their fans whine.
Yessss Tavares brings a very grounded presence in the dressing room as well, couldn't have picked a better captain in my opinion
its mainly the contracts, and thats dubas' fault. the players are obv good but they are too much, and the team has some serious inbalance overall, tavares isnt woth 11 mill but he is still good for 2nd line for sure.
Fab 4 are built for the regular season when play is 80%, not the playoffs. They don't do well at the NHL Playoff Hockey level, where competitiveness requires twice the effort like getting your face smashed in, bones cracked and knuckles busted on every shift. They are pretty to look at though.
Let's not forget he scored the goal that got the Leafs past the first round in 19 years...I'll never forget it, Go JT! GLG!
I bought a Tavares jersey that night!!! 😂
JT is great on the Leafs. While I'd like to see the C on someone else, dude loves this team and gives his all and then some every game
The problem isn't Tavares the player. In a vacuum his contract is decent. He's a top tier C in the league making $11M AAV (which is top tier money). He's also basically a point per game playing, so it's not like they are paying him top tier money and he is only giving you 50 points a year. The Leafs issue is they have too many "top tier" players (in terms of AAV). You typically get 1, maybe 2 people making over $10M AAV. The Leafs have 3 (and have had 3 for several years now) and with Nylander asking for $10M+, that would make 4. The construction of the team with so many expensive players means there isn't enough money to fill out the roster with all the support players. That is the Leafs issue and why they shouldn't have got Tavares when they did. One of challenges in the league is top quality young players always got their ELC for 3 years, then did a decent bridge deal, then hit the jackpot with their big money deal when they established they were worth it. That doesn't really happen as much now. Top young players want their big money deals after their ELC is done. The bridge deals are essentially gone, and that makes constructing a team in a cap environment extremely difficult. The cap needs to go, or if you want to keep it, make it a luxury tax. If you spend over the max cap, the team pays a 100% tax and use that to distribute to the bottom teams. But honestly, the cap shouldn't exist. It prevents teams for keeping the high quality players that make franchises and possibly short lived dynasties.
What a silly argument. Get rid of the only thing that makes the league competitive? Who want some Saudi or Russian Oligarch to come in and own a team - to come in and buy McDavid, Leon, Matthews, Marner and MacKinnon? The salary cap is essential. A punitive luxury tax for serial abusers? Maybe that would work... The NBA luxury tax is pretty stiff... I agree with your history lesson on the change in the bridge contracts etc.
Nothing wrong with the play of the core 4 but 37 million of the Cap for 4 players is taking away from the rest of the team. The defensive core is always sub standard because they can't spend the money. Vegas has a much better balanced team. They had just 2 forwards over 9 million and 5 players in the 4 to 6 million range with two of them on defense. They also have an elite defenseman at 8.8 million. Leafs had 4 forwards at 7 million or higher and only 2 defenseman at 5 million or higher. They only had 1 player between the 4 to 6 million range. Leafs have to improve the bottom half of the team but with Mathews asking for 13. 5 million and Nylander asking for 10 million in the following contract it will not happen if they get it. Time for Treliving to test out there loyalty. I think he will trade Nylander to improve the defense. 3 of the core 4 have No Move Clause so they can't be traded. Nylander is the only one that can be traded. Taveres has 2 seasons left and will most likely be put on a 35+ contract so the cap hit will be much less. I think the Leafs will have the best chance of winning the cup in 3 years.
With his production and playing 2C, that contract is bad. He’s getting paid more than 1C’s and not putting up the numbers as those 1C’s. The only thing that can redeem this contract is winning a Cup. Toronto will likely be better off not having Dubas around and they might be able to get out from this contract and keep the other three. Even if JT got paid $3mil less per year then they could afford a few more pieces, maybe even stabilize the defense.
My point is that this contract, somewhat combined with the other three, is screwing over the rest of the team at depth roles.
There is nothing wrong with Tavares but his contract hand cuffed the Leafs when they already had a great 2nd center in Kadri. As usual TO makes yet another horrible decision that just snowballs into losing every good draft we had , every 1st pick we had , all just trying to add pieces for support with no $ left because 5 players make almost 50 mil of your 80 m cap lol. He does not suck , it was a bad idea that let's face it did NOT work.
It is a terrible contract. Stutzle is 8 million 39 goals and 90 points. 21 years of age... It's not hard to figure out what contract is better.
JT brings a depth and experience unlike most, he is completely dedicated not only to his teammates but also to the fan base. Sure he might be a tad slower than his mates, but he knows exactly where to be in position...this is key key key, this is why he has a C on his jersey. I would be more concerned with coaching the rest of his mates then JT. GLG
What a great video JH, holy shit! I've always been a Leaf fan who was critical of the Tavares trade, given the term and cap hit, but you're right, he catches waaaaaay too much flack, also from myself. His numbers are actually very, very good, and people talk as if the man's a pylon. Nice video, keep it up! :D
Tavares wasn't traded for, you cotton ball.
Players must hate playing in Toronto
Tavares is still above average. He may not be elite, but almost every team would still take him. He's still reliable for 70-80 points per year.
The main issue here is that he makes similar money to McDavid, who is on a completely different level.
Blows my mind too. JT is coming off a phenomenal season.
As a minus player in a 2nd center position how is that phenomenal. It is really bad, that means when he is on the ice his team loses points not adds, regardless of how many points he had , he was responsible for more going in our net then theirs.
@@user-xg8ig6zx5r he doesn’t play on a powerhouse first line so of course his +/- isn’t going to be as good. Of course it could be better but I don’t think that should take away from the fact that he’s a point per game player as a 2nd line centre in his 30’s.
@@ChristianArms 41 even strength points. If he didn't have Marner and Matthews to pump up his PP stats he would be even more of a dud.
@@jeffreym.8957 you could be right, we’ll see how the up coming season plays out. There’s areas of his game where he could definitely be better but I still think he gets a lot of unnecessary hate.
I'm with you. The main complaint I hear is that all his pts come on the PP (39 of his 80), so he's not doing enough 5 on 5. But still, his best or total with the Isles was 86 as a 24 year old, he put up a career best 88 his first year with the Leafs when he was 28. He's got 354 pts in 360 games with the Leafs, that's a better ppg than with the Isles!!! Now let's just see some more emotion and leadership in the playoffs!
Couldn't agree with you more.
In 9 season with the Islanders
GP-595
Goals-272
Asst-349
TP-621
+/- -42
Avg F/O%- 51.7
P/ PTS 208
He had 3 ppg season. 2 seasons where he missed by 1 point.
4 seasons with 30+ goals. 3 season where he missed 30 by 1 or 2 goals.
In 5 season as a leaf
GP- 360 games
Goals 155
Asst. 199
Total Pts 354
+/- +9
GWG 26
F/O % 56.8
PPG 51
PP/ASST. 66
TPP/PTS 117
Pretty consistent numbers!!!
He left 2 mil per year to play for his hometown team.
If covid hadn't hit after he signed and the cap was frozen everyone would be loving his contract!!!
He's consistent as he'll and that's what makes elete players.
Does he make some mistakes, sure he does. But so does McDavid, Mathews, Crosby, Stamkos and all the other elete players.
He could be a 1st or 2nd line center on at least half the NHL teams.
Problem with Toronto fans the feed off the Media too much.
He's a great player, person and leader so people need to cut him slack.
As a Sens fan I'm glad that Giroux came home. At age 35 he had a career high 35 goals and 79 points (his 5th most), and he signed for 3 years at $6.5M. He's great for the locker room and happy to be back closer to home. I agree that JT takes a lot of heat while still putting up pretty solid numbers and being a leader in the room. That being said, he wasn't worth the $11M when he first signed the contract in my opinion. He came home and basically helped handcuff his team from succeeding. Hindsight is 20/20, but his contract was always a problem and will only help delay the Leafs from winning a cup for the next 2 years. Will the core 4 stay together or break apart in the next couple of years? I'm interested to see. All that being said, Toronto will have a good regular season and make the playoffs this season. The battles of Ontario will be really good this year too, can't wait. Cheers
Tavares is not my problem with this team. He's a PPG player, wins draws, and plays both sides of the puck. Honestly he reminds me of Mats Sundin, really good player but can't seem to get the team over the hump/curse/etc... to help them win it all.
My bigger issue has been with Matthews. He makes more than Tavares, is supposed to be a generational player, and other than one 60 goal season, has he been exceptional? He is very good don't get me wrong, 40 goals a season is nothing to sneeze at. He's had a few decent playoff series, but where is a domination type playoff run? Where he's just clearly the best player on either team. He wants to be one of the highest paid in the game, but I'd argue that during the Tampa series, Kucherov, Marner, and even Reilly were better. He was still productive but he certainly didn't dominate.
You can look back and think of Crosby, Kane, MacKinnon, Quick, Kucherov, Vasilevski.... guys who were simply the best during a playoff run. The Leafs haven't had a guy like that since Gilmour, not even Sundin was that guy.
So if Tavares is worth his 11M then why is Matthews only making 650k More? You telling me Tavares is even close to as good as Matthews? He is overpaid and that is the main problem. It is not a win to lose in the playoffs every time because we can not afford good support players. Wake up .
A couple years back his contract felt a lot worse when he was running into some injury issues in back to back seasons. But this last season he played pretty well I thought. It's still a bit rich at 11 million AAV, probably shouldn't be quite that high. He's a point a game player, but generally you gotta be a bit better than point a game to get into the 11+ bracket, especially at the time they signed the deal. But unfortunately thats also the premium you end up paying trying to find top talent in free agency. But we should get a similar couple more years out of him at 32. The contract should be ending right before he really hits his career downstroke. And who knows, maybe they can get him on a cheap re-sign if he's still doing reasonable but not quite his top form anymore.
It is the contract that prevents this team to be successfull. He’s not a bad player however he’s overpaid by a lot.
I had seasons tickets for the Oshawa generals when John was there, his skating was sub par but he absolutely dominated every game at home , remember he was in that league at 15 and back than 07 mid 2000s skating wasn't scrutinized as it is today so of course he looks slow compared to today's players
I think JT is doing all he can especially in a hockey market like Toronto. All eyes are on Toronto with their big 4 and there lack of success post season. By no means am I a leafs fan but I think if they play their cards right, the leafs should make it at least to the conference finals. The boys should come back hungrier than ever with that round 1 playoff win
Just because he chokes at key times, folks are all over him
I couldn’t agree more! I can’t stand people hating on this guy. The guy came here and took 3 million bucks less..
All of these comments that state JT is a plus for this team are missing the real reasons why he is detrimental to the team. Yes, he is a nice guy, even a great guy and I don't know how good a captain he is, so I will give him that. The problem with JT is he coughs up the puck ... A LOT!
I lost count of how many times he screwed up a pass in our defensive end and it cost us a goal or had someone breaking and he flubbed the pass. Yes, everyone blows a pass every now and then but watch his play and you will see a pattern. The winning goal to seal round one for us last year was nice, but he also cost us goals in that game.
If we could trade him ... our cap problems would be gone and we could keep all of the rest of the core and perhaps upgrade our goal as well. With him ... we probably lose Nylander, our goal tending remains suspect and we don't improve the team enough to have any real chance at the cup.
Hes a good 2L C. but he's a $6million guy now.
he was probably never worth that money, but as a free agent, it made sense.
he’s also never been super overpaid. still an $8-9M player minimum- scored in nearly every game 6/7 he’s played in for the leafs where seemingly nobody else can.
Most underrated or overhated contract
When you put it that way, it makes sense.
i mean he's fine but he's a PP merch 39 points on the PP and you said he could be a trade chip but he got a NMC so that aint happening
Guess we watch 2 different John tavaers lol
Nothing wrong with JT. He’s the perfect guy to be the Captain in Toronto. I will say this, the Leafs are going to have to Trade somebody from the core 4 though, and get a great prospect in return and a great Twoway-Defence-man or a Defensive-Defence-man.
I’d say get rid of a prospect like Robertson or Knies along with Brodie for a great D man. The problem isn’t so much the scoring, it’s we need a solid blue line. Signing Klingberg in my eyes just made things feel more worse on the D end.
Tavares is an anchor of a contract its not him making the line good its his wingers he is overpaid by about 5 million
$11 million - $5.125 million (RNH) = 5.875 million over paid. JT is "RNH East".
As soon as he turns 34,the Penguins will trade for him!
I disagree with this video. For 11M you gotta be playing way better and dude has ZERO control in the locker room
You literally just speak facts
JT is my favorite player (I actually have no idea why) so I may be a bit biased. In my opinion he is overpaid but most teams have a player like that but like if he’s a point a game I don’t mind.
Only difference I'd have made is that 11 million at this point seems steep . It'd be better if it had been front heavy so he'd only be roughly a 8 or 9 million dollar cap hit on the back end of the contract which is where we're at now . Giving the extra couple million so sign one more guy and still have a million dollars as an emergency fund for negotiating contract extensions that numbers are the key issue on ( Nylander ) . If the Leafs had that extra million to offer he'd be way easier to negotiate with .
You don't understand cap hits. Front loading a contract doesn't impact the cap hit. If they paid $30 million per year in salary early on and $1.00 per year in the last couple of years of the contract the cap hit remains at $11 million per.
11milj. A year should give you 50 goals or 100 plus points. Or atleast dynamic game changer player. So its bad contract🤔🤔
Every fan is a friggin expert GM, Just ask them.
Enjoy Matthews at 14M, Laffs
It's untradable only because he has a full no move clause chances are he's not waiving that to go anywhere else!
Ok so why is he a minus player, does that make you an elite NHL center? Matthews was +30. He can not play defensively at center anymore period. 100% we would have been better off with Kadri and 4 m to add a real elite defense partner for Rielly that would have won a cup. so while I don't hate Tavares he is too slow to play good defense at center now so therefore making him a winger worth no more then 8.5M .
FINALLY someone said it.
His playoff production is quite bad tho
numbers r good , but i dont like the -7
My problem with Tavares isnt about points, although i think hes helped a lot by his linemates. For me, my issue is that he isnt a leader. He has one of the biggest contracts, has the captaincy, but what does he do to lead the team? The morale and attitude of the team are ridiculously low, especially in tough times like the playoffs. I was worried about his role on the team ever since i noticed how the Islanders did without him, and how manh times they beat the Leafs. He doesnt lead effectively, and isnt the guy who will take the team on his back to inspire some grit or effort. I tried to defend him for a long time but I cant anymore
For years prior to Tavares - players from Toronto didn’t want to come home. Tavares was the first elite, Toronto born player to come home and he took less money. If I recall - San Jose was offering him 13$ per year, Islanders 12.5 per year. Us leaf fans were so jacked up when he signed. Sure, at this point in the contract you’d like him at 8 - 9.5 mill. But, that’s not going to happen. The mistake in my opinion was was giving Marner and Matthews 4-5 million combined extra per year when they were RFA’s. Anyways - hopefully this year is the year, Go Leafs Go!
Maybe John can go to Robidas for the last year of his contract. Leafs can then keep Nylander and sign a defenceman or 2
How many goals bounced of his skate or shin .. good pylon
the leafs would never eat money on that trade tho lol cap room is everything rn.
John Tavares should not be paid $11 per season. He's not worth that. Maybe $10mil. That would give us an extra $1mil, but you're right, not a backbreacker.
Tavares is still effective, he’s just not an 11 mil player anymore. If you resigned him at around 7 or 8 for a couple years it’d be much more palatable
John tavares is not the problem. Goaltending and defense are there issues, but with the defense im wondering if its a systems issue.
Well, the problem here is that there are 3 other 8+ million-dollar salaries playing for the Leafs and that makes them awfully strap for cap... Probably Leafs fans wouldn't complain if they had "only" 2 or 3 multi-million dollar contracts in their books...
I'd agree with angry Leafs fans on this one: sure he puts up points, but eye-test isn't great. He's a Captain & $11M+ player on the highest pressure market in hockey, he's got to do more
Signing Tavares was the biggest mistake this team ever made. They already had a quality 2C in Kadri. They should've spent that 11M on depth, especially defense. Not an elite center they didn't need.
to be far kadri just signed a $7milx8 deal and has had more then 60 points once while getting suspended in 3 different playoff series. Tavares for $3mil more was a better option all around
You don’t know a thing
@@niagarajoe4402he’s just not that good anymore and not necessarily what this team needs, the least you can say is that he doesn’t mesh well enough with the other core
So 36 goals deserves 11 million?
@@quintonb3327 Kadri also showed in 2022 that was capable of being a legit 2C for a championship team, so his suspensions don't mean much to me. Toronto needs aggressive players anyway. His current contract is merely a result of the Cup tax. If he were still in Toronto, then we don't know what his current contract would've been.
My man has been point per game since hes been in TO and ppl be mad ???
Not all points are created equally. Or do you think RNH is a top ten player in the league? Maybe look up EV production by player and your hero comes out looking a lot more pedestrian.
Nylander is the one to go for sure; trade him for depth players instead of letting him walk for nothing
It's funny how he makes more than crosby
And Draisitl, and dozens of other players who are simply better than him. Take him off that PP where he can get lost in the weeds letting Marner and Nylander do all the puck work and he's a 60 point player.
@tonylloy327 as an islanders fan he was the best player we had
he's good at puck, criticism is overblown
good 2nd liner...
I love JT, he's been stoic the whole time in Toronto. But I truly believe if Matthews is resigning, then Matthews should have the C, it's time to put that weight and responsibility on Matthews and leave it to him to step it up, or not.
"Tavares's contract is only two more years!"
Who else is up during that time? How much does the cap go up? Who else is due for a raise? Should a 2C get double digits?
All questions OP dodged answering yet defended hard. Yikes.
Leaf fans should be making their Captain mayor of Toronto. He helped them win the Lightning Cup!
I’m sorry, but Matthews NEVER gets blamed for anything. It’s the truth, it’s always Marners fault.
There’s so much skill on the leafs that they don’t have any room for grit which is essential during the playoffs, that’s why they do so well during the regular season and so bad during the post season
People always seem to forget that the only reason his AAV is that high is the fact he was a belle of the ball free agent. Is his production value of his contract indicative of his performance compared to other players? No, but it never was supposed to be. You want this high skilled player who can go anywhere to be a franchise center for your playoff ready team? Gotta throw big money at him, and this is a direct consequence of that. Which happens to so many other teams, but is only focused on JT because he's a Leaf and the value is higher that most others but that will change. Especially in the coming years.