"But Nintendo will lose its copyright if it allows fangames!" That's the thing though, no they won't. Check out this video that I made with the help of an actual copyright attorney for more information on this subject (link below) ruclips.net/video/1SMZdUBj0YQ/видео.html
@@BlueJourney2719 Even though it seems ridiculous to us, that's the same reason they won't do that either... If they add melee to the switch then it takes away from the current smash title. Lol
To add on the product durability segment: There is a game boy which survived a bombardment on the gulf war. The game boy only had its exterior scorched up, but everything else was fine. The console was still capable of playing games as if nothing had happened. The game boy survived A BOMBARDMENT. Now the joycons break on their own.
I love how Sega hired a fangame dev to take part in the creation of Sonic Mania, and Capcom shut down a Resident Evil 2 fan-remake but also hired him for the official remake
I think the difference with Sega is that they can't make a decent game themselves. It made complete sense to let the fan developers make engines and games for them.
If I'm not wrong, ms pacman was actually a rom hack of pacman. Capcom noticed it but then decided to hire the dude who made ms pacman and make it an official game.
@@reethelemon Yes it was, and also vastly superior to the (2600) port of the arcade game. A fan recreation of the original game, Pacman 4k also is used in the Flashback portable in place of the original.
As someone who worked at Nintendo Customer Service, seeing this happen from the inside out was nothing short of depressing. Don’t meet your heroes kids.
I learned that the hard way, as a kid I idolized Miyamoto. And learning how cold hearted he was to fans with the other board members shattered my childhood. I found better idols now, ones that aren’t self righteous pricks.
@@ExtraordinaryFate There are powers to be at the top that don't want good and they are more desperate then ever to snuff the last of us out for their perfect Garden of Eden they can control. Hell in Los Angels County I've just heard the 'mini smart cities' are slowly being built with centralized living.
Sega supports fan mods and works while nintendon't Not only with sonic, altho something with sonic mania didnt happend still, you are very freely available to mod other sega IPs like Yakuza or the Project diva games
@@Joaquinmt4590 that’s not how it works. There’s this little something called goodwill and customer satisfaction, yeah short term they are making bank but long term their revenue is gonna take a hit. Just look at the Witcher 3 and cyberpunk for comparison cyberpunk only sold half the numbers of Witcher 3 even though everyone was in love with cdpr but the moment they saw the drama people stopped buying it I bet that shit game sold 20m only based on their reputation, now wait for their next game and see how much it sells compared to these two
Fanfact: When Nintendo was hitting content creators, people were playing parts of Harry potter movies, so video would got hit by booth Nintendo and owner of HP (whoever it is) so Nintendo would get less money or something like that
I saw a video that mentioned that. RUclips's copyright system encourages you not infringe on 1 company's rights, but infringing on as many companies as possible out of spite is A-ok!
Wasn't this technique popularized/invented by Jim Sterling? The idea is to violate copyrights from multiple sources in the same video, where Jim called it the "Copyright deadlock." But this technique just makes it so that nobody can claim the monetization from the video.
I like to imagine the spider man pointing at other spiderman meme Where it would just be Nintendo and Warner Bros pointing at each other for who's gonna sue who
They've right sometimes. Like their decision to have Splatoon 2 salmon run multiplayer mode available only at certain times instead of 24/7. Its special because of that. People appreciate something more when they don't have it.
The Melee banning thing at least was consistent with how Nintendo acts. 1) Nintendo hates emulation. It lothes it. Nintendo (and Sony) tried to make emulators themselves illegal, but failed so horribly they set a very strong precedent for emulators. So long as emulators don't contain BIOS files, they don't even contest them. Ironically, if you run a tournament using an emulator but have the actual disc, Nintendo couldn't do fuckall to stop it (Though knowing their lawyers, they'll invent a way). 2) As mention in the video, a modded game likely means you got it from a ROM. Even then, you're breaking the agreement that you're not allowed to make modifications to the game. This was the crux, this was how they could ban the tournament. 3) They want people to play Ultimate instead. Ultimate sells copies, whereas they won't make money on Melee. This is the financial reason. When the Melee tournament announced they were using an emulator, I knew they were dead in the water. My favorite option is 4) Nintendo would realize how terrible their netcode programmers are if a mod of an old game runs online matches better than Ultimate ever will for free.
@@Sandact6 These videos and threads are interesting because they're an echo chamber for people that have zero clue of how this world works and are stuck in their own delusion and nonsense. Some that I've found in this post: - Nintendo never hated emulation, Nintendo never try to make emulators illegal as Nintendo's lawyers are among the best and knew back then that emulators were legal, that's only Sony that tried that nonsense (with Bleem! IIRC) and failed miserably, but it didn't fit your BS narrative so you couldn't say the truth; - Nintendo (Playstation as well) actively combats piracy against its work as it's its bread and butter, that's the main money making business of Nintendo nowadays, and Nintendo is a very small company, not a big one like Sony and MS. Your emulators are useless without pirated games (most ROM played) and piracy is very dangerous to the business, as shown by DS and PSP, which killed both consoles, despite DS being the most sold consoles to consumer of all time, games weren't selling at all as piracy was everywhere with R4 cards and the like. PSP got killed even faster, some people bought it just to play pirated games; - IP laws force a company to actively protect its IP and have proof of it, or the company risks losing its IP rights. Nintendo having real world lawyers and having business in the real world knows this and do just what it has to do to not lose its valuable IP, it's the only company left with so strong and so old IP in the videogame industry, that's why their action are more prominent and scrutinized than others. Pirates living in their bubble believe nonsense like in this video. Anyone with even the slightest clue about copyright and IP laws in the USA would have understood that making a tournament with distributed modded games (legally the same as distributing pirated games with DMCA) was beyond stupid; - Anyone talking "netcode" advertizes that they have no clue of how a game is programmed, how network works, basically no clue in computer science and tech. This is further reinforced by someone that has no clue in the difference between making online matches between 10s of people and 10s millions of people, surely (like most) people that believe that networks works well everytime when actually there's constantly problems in networks at the hardware level (and I'm not talking congestion there), despite the hardware having ECC RAM or mitigation hardware like that. When the volume of compute and data is high enough, these problems people are oblivious of start to happen, like in Smash Bros, the sole fighting game to reach such sales;
The absolute best quote I heard about this topic is by Nerrel: regarding Nintendo taking down fan projects, he said "just because they have the right to do it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do".
"Why only allow one save? What's it gonna hurt?" Nintendo loves the idea of every player having their own console. They love it so much that they design their consoles and games to assume that there is only one owner and player. Because it worked that way with handhelds, and now they have their home console hybridized with their handheld, so we can have all the downsides of a home console with all the bad design ideals of a portable, which is the worst combination for us but the most lucrative one for them.
@Ruby Williams Did you just spend all this time replying to every single person in this comment thread with the same comment? You need to optimize your time better.
I used to draw my own Pokémon designs for years since I was very little. I had some pretty good ideas too tbh inspired by my love and passion for the series. My mom unbeknownst to me had at the time, actually reached out to Nintendo and inquired if there was a way and process to submit designs but instead, was met with a harsh notice stating to stop immediately or face copyright penalties because I was stealing by using their ips or something idk I’m not even kidding. Bless my moms naivety but ever since I found out I see them differently and I haven’t drawn any of their ip since. I still enjoy Nintendo products I just see through their facade as what they are: a corporation seeking profit
*In a parallel world where Nintendo is a supply company* Nintendo: "Here's your hammer, thank you for your purchase." Random Person: "Cool." *attaches hand grip they made* Nintendo: "Okay, committing fucking theft I see."
lol, what is this a reference to? There are lots of third party switch grips online available for immediate purchase. Nintendo consoles have always had 3rd party peripherals (controllers, memory cards, decals/skins, etc), even back in the NES era when the company was very stringent and controlling about its hardware and properties.
@@butterchicken4 Don't take the example of a grip to a hammer so literally. It can mean any such modification other than peripherals, like the ones described in the video that were targeted by Nintendo.
The worst part about levels in Mario maker getting taken down is that they usually are the ones people poured effort into, meanwhile 1-1 clones, pick-a-door levels, and underwater mazes are left untouched.
Disney and Nintendo have so much in common: 1. Iconic mascot - Mickey mouse/Mario 2. Amazing products - movies/games 3. Horrible corporate practices And I say that as a Nintendo fan. It disappoints me how Nintendo just disrespects their fans so much.
When Sega posted on their Twitter that they gave the rubber stamp of approval for fan games (with the caveat they weren't being monetized), it made me feel happy.
@@DamageMaximo Well SEGA in a sense learned that their fans are the ones keeping them alive at this point, while Nintendo has so much power and money that they really don’t care what fans say.
This video hit home really hard. Nintendo is a hilariously backwards company. Does anyone remember how downright draconian Nintendo was during the earlier parts of the Nintendo/SEGA rivalry? Nintendo has been an anti-consumer company for decades.
Nostalgia blindness and busy parents, sure it's easy for a non-fan to notice their most recent exploitative practice selling faulting controllers for years; but those wealthy enough to not care won't bother complaining, and oblivious parents will probably blame their kids' recklessness instead.
Nintendo is "horrible" really only to customer and all, their Devs don't go through crunch or sexual harassment at least 🤡 (they even made certificate for gay couple to recognise them and pay them the same as straights one while it's still illegal in Japan so yeah I think I rather support rats who at least does quality and respect it's employee than opposite lol)
what pisses me off the most out of the limited release games is that they actually made an official english translated version of the first Fire Emblem that had never been released outside japan before and it was only sold for 3 months and didnt even get a physical game card version so it just doesnt exist anymore
I'm still mad about them pulling Mario 3D allstars off of the switch. what a cheap tease. offer like the best mashup of games ever and then snatch it away almost as soon as it becomes available. It's the same crap they did with the NES/SNES classic, they created an artificial shortage solely for profit. what a scumbag tactic.
I heard about this, you reminded me of this, I don't even like Fire Emblem, but that is as shittier then the 3D Mario All-stars because at least you can buy the original or emu it.
Fire Emblem is one of my favorite franchises. I was hoping that the fact that the delisting of the translated re-release as well as Mario 3D All-Stars was an April Fools joke just so Nitendo could sell a lot of copies, but unfortunately, it wasn't. I still luckily bought the Fire Emblem translation the day before just in case, though.
You didn’t even mention the Splatoon tournament. I don’t remember the exact number but 3 or 4 of the teams made their name FreeMelee in response to the smash tournament you mentioned. Nintendo refused to stream the tournament because of the team names. Not to mention the grand prize of the tournament was $20 eshop credit. And there’s reports from previous tournaments that the winners never even got the prizes.
When I brushed over the Smash stuff for the reason that other people covered it better and in more depth than I could, I definitely had the FreeMelee movement in mind and Splatoon's involvement. I should have at least mentioned it though.
@@Lvlaple4Ever And those investors when they see scary events around the world WILL hold back or order companies like Nintendo to hold back on production until things 'get better' whatever the hell that means these days.
“I allow him to play for 2 hours a week, and he isn’t keeping up with his studies, my wife is getting mad at me, do you sugest reasons for usage” yes this is real
If memory serves, there was a guy who did an impressive Skyrim mod back in the game's earlier years. It was on the scale of a DLC/expansion, and he was the only one to work on it. He got hired onto a gaming company for pulling off such a feat (I think it was Bungie). Also there are currently huge mods being made that either remake the entire older TES/Fallout games being made that Beth/Zen/MS haven't shut down, and honestly those companies would be foolish to not hire some of the key staff to help them with future titles with the work they've been doing. Here's another thought: Why didn't Nintendo offer to either buy out something like AM2R (just buy the dev's game and sell it to make profit and everyone wins) or at least consider hiring some of these modders/devs to work for them? So much potential, but yet Nintendo throws it away to keep this "honor" of their properties... Nintendo saved the gaming market, and honestly they still are by being an example to others as to what NOT to be in terms of customer/fan relations.
Several mod teams have been hired by Valve for their work, too. Actually, almost all of Valve's game IPs started as Half-Life mods. There was one HL2 modder who made Minerva Metastasis, which was also similar to a DLC and within the same canonical universe. He got hired after making the mod, though I don't know the details.
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Milton Guasti (the guy who created AM2R) works at Moon Studios now and helped develop Ori and the Will of the Wisps. He got hired specifically because his fan game was such high quality. Imagine if he got hired by Nintendo instead and worked on Metroid Dread? They surely missed an opportunity there.
Regarding fangames: developers, DONT SHOW OFF YOUR GAMES TILL THEYRE FINISHED AND AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD!!! Ik you wanna build up hype and interest in your projects or show off the process, but just release it, let people download it and it'll be out in the wild before Nintendo takes it down.
It's more the news media needs to not report on Nintendo fan games. The fan games live perfectly fine for months even years, until an outlet shines a spotlight on them. The games get killed because of the articles. There are even fan games that have been around forever, but never been reported on and they have not been shut down.
Wasn't there people who had it way worse by following this advice? If Nintendo's able to prove culpability on the devs for doing something that hurts their brand image (including the exclusivity of their brand), that's not a C&D, that's a lawsuit. Sure, fans get what they want because it's on the internet; it's there forever, but devs have to remember that a lawsuit that puts them into a hole forever is also a thing. The advice should be; make it as legally distinctive as possible and don't use Nintendo-made assets. Also, don't use direct Nintendo's games' names, that if a google search happens, it shouldn't be able to get confused with the real thing.
I have first-hand experience with this topic. Back in the late 1990s, Nintendo had its own BBS where many of us would discuss our favorite games. When Mario Kart 64 came out, I was discovering several game-breaking shortcuts in the early months. One in particular was a lap skip in the Frappe Snowland track, which I described how to do on their BBS. Sure enough, they'd steal credit several months later in Nintendo Power magazine, only stating it was found by "clever fans via our website." This incident inspired me to make my own site, so that proper credit could be given to the sources.
This video is over 45 minutes long, even though he didnt even talk about speedruning. as a zelda speedruner myself i can say that we’re definitely one of the most passionate group of zelda fans out there and all we want is for nintendo to do well- nothing. though nintendo sweeps in and patches some frame perfect glitches that require a very percise setup and even though im 100% certain that no player ever just accidentally happened to stumble upon these glitches in a casual playthrough they still patch it out just so we cant play through their game fast anymore. it seems like they do this because we actively break their games, but i and basically every zelda speedruner feel like this isnt a bad thing at all. in fact its literally free ads we do for them in showing off the potential to spend thousands of hours in their games. though all nintendo does is take this passion as an insult.
A lot of devs do, unless it is game devs as game devs see the actual meaning of it. Like the devs that don't understand sees bugs and glitches even exploits as faults in the game or programs and such that they don't want people to see. Though you do have some devs like Mercury Steam that does patch stuff only if it hurts the game like soft locks hard locks and game breaking bugs that casuals could do too easily by accident such as what is basically turning on god mode in Metroid Dread, but if that one was allowed to stay even if casuals don't do it then eventually the speedrunning scene would stagnate fast Though if a player does stumble across a frame perfect glitch unless they were looking for something to exploit they would not think about it and just assume it was normal gameplay or a weird little bug that was a small oversight such as the invincibility glitch in Metroid Dread. And while people love blaming Nintendo for the stuff that they do in patching speed tech out what they need to realize is that it is not Nintendo's fault it is the individual Dev studios sole discretion to do it such as Mercury Steam patching stuff not Nintendo as Nintendo does not care as long as they hit the sale numbers they were hoping for within the first week
if you're so passionate about speedrunning why don't you learn how to go fast in the version of games without that glitch? I think he didn't bring it up since that sorta stuff is kinda niche and isn't a real problem. Games have been getting re-releases and patches all the time and communities are used to making sub categories and rulesets about which version of which game to what degree of glitch breaking are played. Further most glitches are the result of minor oversights that occur from the act of creating an entire game from scratch; I doubt that not being able to wrong warp to the end of the OoT remake is as much about Nintendo going out of their way to spite 0.1% of their audience as much as them coding something from scratch will result in those specific oversights not existing.
Thankfully Metroid Dread isn't experiencing this same issue oddly enough. It did a BIT when they patched out the glitch that lets you beat the game suitless but developers seem to be aware of a lot of the other speedrunning glitches and haven't patched them ou-....WAIT A MINUTE SOMEONE ABOVE ME ALREADY SAID ALL OF THIS LOL IM BLIND
Toby Fox found a glitch in the Spamton NEO fight in Deltarune and instead of patching it out, made it so that it activates "Hard Mode" instead. That dog is a true genius.
Just like Disney. There are the people that want to make people happy, then there are those in the same building that just want to make them sad. That's life, bro. Highs and Lows.
Nintendo is pretty much the Disney of the video games industry: the worst out there but the general public doesn't care because they own their childhoods
That's pretty much true. In both cases, brand image is meticulously groomed, so IPs are fiercely guarded. The difference might be that Nintendo still publishes good games, while modern Disney is 98% garbage, and Disney's lobbyists write its own copyright laws to protect its cultural monopolies ironically built off the public domain.
While imo they’re not the worst, they’re still very bad and have a lot of the same issues a bit similar to what Disney has (unnecessarily strict copyright, greediness). There’s much worse companies out there tho, EA and Activision Blizzard in particular
@@chaos0987654321oh no criticism on the internet! Really dude? You think they're scared of comments and videos? You guys still pre order the latest Nintendo games anyway
You can drop an entire gameboy color off a 7 story building, and it would probably work just fine. *And yet a whole ass joycon can't survive 3 months without drift.*
@@chazzilla8919 I have the no-name original Hori is rebranding for those, it's sticks aren't as sensitive as the Joycon's and don't have NFC, but in every other way it dominates the Joycons. Hope you like it as much as I do.
I remember smacking my gameboy color with a hanger because for some reason it didnt register in my head to throw in a new battery.....yeah it didnt survive
AM2R was the first Metroid game I tried. It introduced me to the franchise & I ended up trying Dread as a result. If anything, fan projects help benefit Nintendo, but they're just overprotective.
This also ties back into the whole RUclips and Nintendo controversies, even if someone makes a video making negative comments about a game, other companies see this still as a positive since it’s basically free advertising from popular internet celebrities that say this game is good, even if it isn’t it still spreads awareness about a game and can push devs to make a game better in turn
Melee: *more than 20 years old and there is no production of copies anymore* Some innocent person: preserves it via download in a computer and add a bunch of things to make it more fun and experience Nintendo: this is an avenger’s level threat.
Nintendo is like a drunk salaryman who everybody knows having a drinking problem. He works very hard at the company and make very impressive results. If anybody else wants to be as efficient or even copy his work. The Drunk Salaryman comes and mauls you behind the office building. The company where this salaryman works justifies all this by stating: "He's adult. He can do whatever he wants." Sadly. Everybody wants to work with this guy since they don't know his alcoholism problem.
Except you enjoy the mauling and when you do file complaints then those of us conservative cannot take you seriously: Especially you did it willingly yet you demand to impeach the President of Nintendo even though more proof comes out that fans did it consensually. The news tries to make a spin off of it and the economy gets dragged along for the ride.
I mean, I don’t think apple count because they depend on thermos customers and they appeal to them specifically. That are not friendly with new users or leaving users tho
@@pvzmariosonica8fan You can't change it. That's how their ways work. Remember Nintendo is a japan based company and those typically tend to be companies so steeped in traditions that hurt their business they just let it happen for the sake of tradition. There's also the way copyright law works in Japan, which is even more ass backwards than here in the US.
i have a switch and oh boy that thing is garbage its weaker than an xbox 360 and u have to play o that shit machine to play exclusive games i might try taking out the ssd and putting it in my pc which has an rtx 3080 and a ryzen 7 5800xi hate modern nintendo they changed so much but changed in a bad way i miss old nintendo the only reason i got a switch is pokemon sword and shield i hate teh way nintendo is so family friendly if u put ure age under 13 you cant play online WTF NINTENDO and i also miss old pokemon sword and shield is the only modern pokemon game i like since now nintendo controls most of pokemon now and again makes it too family friendly they used to want to be suitible for all ages but now they only aim for 5 year olds i used to really respect nintendo but now i look at them in disgust but i will get the steam deck and it will prob be great i have a valve index and its great valve is a great company and i respect them as much as i used to respect nintendo and i had all the hardware issues exept for dead pixels yes mine warped and who else wants a wii 2
I honestly see this hostility towards their fans is reaching a boiling point, there’s going to come a point where people will have had enough of their bullshit.
Another economic collapse like Obama and it will happen again. They got sick of it during the Wii U era but it wasn't bad enough. Now we have a lot of Agenda 2030 playing out literally in front of our eyes and people still deny it till one of their own loved ones is hauled away. BTW: This already happened in 1939.
I hate to say but it won't happen. For as many people as there out calling out Nintendo on their bullshit there's two bootlickers who defend the company tooth and nail saying they're doing nothing wrong.
People are too comfortable to make any fucking change. We could call out the rich for their corruption and the corporations, we could make some huge differences, but people live in such propagandized worldview. Like E1lite Yoshi said, there are always people who just seemingly live to defend awful practices. So many people live in black and white, unnuanced ideologies where they cannot imagine enjoying something and asking better of it, or calling out bad practices while pointing out fun and good ones as well. If they love something, then that must be accepted 100% for everything it is no matter what. It really is a reactionary mindset.
Well most Nintendo fans don’t know or care about anything in this video, so a loud minority of people may be upset but the silent majority is gonna continue worshipping Nintendo.
Yhea and if they say oh we’re going to use this fan thing so we can use it even though we took it down that would make a lot o controversy I hope it happens so they stop also if Scott the woz gets taken down I mean they would do everything because of copyright even ones like the trail for being related would be a last straw
31:53 what's sad is this isn't an oversight. It's a model called "Buy now or die" where they on purposely make an product ready to break down so you'll buy an identical variant or an upgraded one with extra price, or the "consumer" just has to "die" which means being stuck with the broken product, in this case being the Joycon. A joycon pack in my region costs upwards of $71 or higher, that pricing should be a crime but it isn't.
What pains me the most is the libraries on the internet that aren't even handing out illegal copies but just keep them to be preserved, that often also get hit with cease and desist letters, threats to their project and more. There's countless games that will never, ever see a re-release on modern consoles. Because they're not well known, didn't make money back then. But because of that, they also barely sold and finding physical legit copies of those games is basically impossible. The community goes to such efforts to preserve games so they won't forever get lost to time, and then Nintendo is like "suck it guys, we don't care how much you do out of love for our games, cease and desist!"
Emulation should always be legal no matter what. Not my fault Nintendo ain't putting out their games onto PC and Nintendo doesn't lose a single cent because I wouldn't have payed for the game either way.
Emulation IS legal. The problem is getting the copyrighted source code of the game you want to play. Say, you can reverse engineer an NES and make a program that plays NES games. That's emulation, and is very legal (though a few legal wars were fought for it). However, getting a game that was copyrighted by a long gone 90's company basically puts the game in a "legal limbo". Fair use should also protect historic preservation of software.
Nintendo is like an abusive parent who claims they love and care about their fans but never gives them what they want and punishes them when they do it themselves
Arlo has talked about Nintendo's laughable relationship with their legacy content a few times now. In general preservation of older games is a bad joke in this industry, but Nintendo seems especially bad at it.
Not just especially bad at it. At worst most companies simply forget about game preservation and let the fans do it for them. Nintendo constantly makes sure to stomp any preservation.
@@mental263 One game I'd love to see remade is New Adventures Of The Time Machine with the open world of BOTW. That game just SCREAMS it! It was okay for it's time but it's age shows if you can get it to work. It is a very strange game getting to run. You can see a full play of it and someone recently uploaded a gamerip.
While Sega actually _hired_ a fan developer to make an official Sonic game, Nintendo just takes down every single fan game that comes their way. Seriously, I consider AM2R to be much, much better than Samus Returns.
I'm shocked how much Nintendo can fail in so many aspects, yet still flourishes. I hope they hit a fairly substantial crash and are forced to reassess how they do things.
I just really want Nintendo to learn from their mistakes and actually try to keep the consumers in mind. I love their games, but they really have to rethink the way they do things.
i hate modern nintendo they changed so much but changed in a bad way i miss old nintendo the only reason i got a switch is pokemon sword and shield i hate teh way nintendo is so family friendly if u put ure age under 13 you cant play online WTF NINTENDO and i also miss old pokemon sword and shield is the only modern pokemon game i like since now nintendo controls most of pokemon now n=and again makes it too family friendly they used to want to be suitible for all ages but now they only aim for 5 year olds
Disney is another. All the fairytale movies that made them big? They use stories from the public domain. Or: Everyone can use them. Except they can't. Because Disney holds the copyright for their versions. And is vicious about it. While lobbying to extend that copyright. Otherwise, all those characters would be public domain again. But they aren't. Which is a crime.
@Top Noodle I learned about it from this Wisecrack video. (ruclips.net/video/tzk03NNwQz4/видео.html) It's honestly terrifying and I'm p sure Tom Scott has another video on how broken and out of date the Copyright System is.
Touhou continues to live out of fan content, and the reason Friday Night Funkin had a lifespan that impressed rhythm game veterans (who thought it would be a short trend) was because it was open source, so modding it was easy.
They did the same thing to Splatoon 2 as they do to melee. Some time in 2020 they struck down a Splatoon 2 tournament and the splatoon and melee community came together to host a tournament with the biggest Splatoon prize pool ever of like $20,000 I think? For the record, nintendo usually gave the winners of these tournaments some copies of Arms
I'm shocked, and frankly disappointed, that there haven't been any boycotts or public protests against the things Nintendo does. Someone should change that.
because nintendo literally made everyones childhoods. except for mine, i didnt own a ds until i was 13 and i was already addicted to minecraft soooooo...
To be fair, it's probably because the creative side of Nintendo is one of (if not the) best mainstream game dev company in the market. What's failing is the corporate side, except if you try to boycott the company, the corporate will be the last to suffer, as they control who gets the money
@@RooneyHimself They won't listen to us unless we boycott, but if we do boycott, the creative side would lose first anyway, and Nintendo would lose what made it a fantastic game development company
Valve is not perfect by any means. But when they see a good idea they hire the people who made it or they sell their game on their platform and not only get money but also semi-help the developers. Even if they don't help them they don't kill off their ideas like Nintendo. And I think that's something I can really appreciate about Valve.
Just like Sega, they often support fan games. And also the re-logic, the developers are extremely friendly. A guy remade terraria on scratch, everyone was thinking it would be taken down since it was very similar but one of the developers(re-logic) just said that the developer(fangame) did a really good job lol.
@@RealValkor as someone who messed with scratch a lot when I was a kid, that is super impressive. The language isn't all that powerful, and making games beyond simple platformers and isometric shooters is a really steep challenge
Hopefully VALVE stay like this after Gabe retires or he ummm... Goes to another place, because when the Companies Leader or Founder passes on, the rats came in, Nintendo was already doing this like late 2000's or even earlier, Apple kinda but Steve when he was alive he really computers (the Apple II is another story) , and even fought against having the Mac cheaper back in like 80's, but booted out of the company, then later on it was a mistake and bought his company and put him back as the CEO.
30:57 The sheer fact that Nintendo states that dead pixels "just happens." is beyond insane. Nintendo is a literal cult at this point. They sold cardboard to people at a premium, and people actually bought it.
he's right. they licensed a POS called the "speed board" which was literally a piece of plastic to set your controller in, that purportedly "put the speed at your fingertips" but really just made games unfun to play. nintendo's done good AND bad things in the past, and in the present. they're not wholly criminal, like microsoft is.
Nintendo is now the apple of the video game industry. You're not paying for a product(game) when you give Shitendo your $$$$ these days, you're paying for brand recognition.
Dead and stuck pixels are almost a solved problem with modern display technology. You tend to have them when you use cheap low quality displays which were made with older manufacturing methods. Go pick any 300 USD smartphone, tablet or similar and see how many have those issues.
@@ShooberTimber "... these days, you're paying for brand recognition." I'm sorry, what? Yes, I get that Nintendo does very evil practices. But to say you're giving them money for brand recognition is just a straight up lie.
"It seems like since the Wii, Nintendo consoles are just filled with more and more parts that are going to break" I just want to point out that every iteration of the DS went through incredibly rigorous tests before Nintendo was happy with their resilience, like being dropped no less than 20 times from a 2-story building. This whole "Nintendo hardware isn't what it used to be" is a pretty recent thing. The Wii may look and feel flimsy, but let me tell you, that thing is durable as hell. And that goes doubly so for the Wii U.
the wii U's controller was durable, but it sucked. it was very heavy and clunky feeling, and the buttons were always a _little_ too far away from where they should be. playing on it hurt the palms of my hands from stretching my fingers so far to reach everything I needed. wii just did it better.
While I haven’t given up on Nintendo I do think we are definitely entering the Dark Ages of Nintendo for a rather long time until someone comes along and improves things.
I remember that once I dropped my switch about 3 feet and one of the joy-cons litterly ripped out and became permenantly broken. Definitly NOT an extremely sturdy console.
Yeah, honestly, it's really depressing. Nintendo are not as consumer friendly as they used to be, and not as supportive of their fans as other studios, like Valve or Sega. Hopefully one day, they fix their mistakes... ...Maybe even see this video. ...Though we all don't have high hopes for them...
yeah, valve is greedy but they actually support fans. FUN FACT: before portal was released, there was a game called Narbacular Drop that was made by a small team, valve saw this and was so impressed they hired the entire working for it. the team would later come to make portal. SECOND FUN FACT: during the development of portal 2, a small game once again was made called Tag: The Power of Paint. this used a mechanic using paint that lets you jump high, stick to surfaces and go fast! valve saw this and used the mechanic for portal 2.
unfortunately it is going to take a market crash for them to finally realise they need to change their ways. I see that happening eventually, they have become too stagnant. The steam deck and the copycats it has inspired will likely eventually be the trigger for such a market crash.
@@Zincoshine- nintendo would be the last company to go in a market crash scenario cause 95% of everyone else is worse and they have stupid amounts of cash (for a reason)
Yep the company is pretty souless without them, sorry Miyamoto, your a legendary man, but you have really made some awful mistakes, like you can’t deny he’s partly why all this has happened.
@@joshshrum2764 Pretty sure Miyamoto actually has nothing to do with all the takedowns and other crap. He's been a game designer for pretty much his whole time at Nintendo. I doubt he has the power to control the legal team.
Refusing to do anything about Nintendo's practices because of nostalgia is why its a problem though. You can't let nostalgia cloud your mind from what is right and what isn't. Not doing anything is the same as endorsing it, they'll take it as compliance and keep going
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist Except it's not good for business to treat fans like this, and shut down ever fan project they can get their hands on...
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist No. It's not good for business to alienate fans by destroying everything they do. in reality they should see it as free advertisement. Understanding that basic truth does not make me a communist. It just means that I know what's wrong with Nintendo and that they need to change.
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist They do need to change and be less hostile towards their fans. If you don't see that, then you just have no morals or empathy.
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist It's a toxic form of capitalism that no one gains anything from. It just makes a company look stupid and greedy. You also look stupid, by the way, because you also don't understand what copyright is and how to do it the right way instead of the Nintendo way...
What's sad about the 3d All-Stars thing is that my local Target, Walmart, and GameStop still are trying to sell their last batch, well after the March 31st deadline.
Nintendo: don't pirate our games Also Nintendo: *pulls artificial scarcity of digital goods* For physical carts I do understand, but digitally? FFS, AFAIK digital goods mostly gone because licensing issues, but not this!
Supposedly the creator of the fan translation received an email from a Nintendo representative saying that if the fan translation ends up releasing, that it would ruin the chance of mother 3 ever receiving an official translation.
Well the thing is, Mother 3 got some serious controversial issue that prevents Nintendo from making an english translation of the game (or re-release at this point). So, this fan-made translation actually preserve Mother 3 with their fandom as Nintendo doesn't have to pay for the price of the game's content ( *cough cough* Magypsies *cough cough*). But yeah, Nintendo kinda ignore Mother 3 translation patch and it's all good for us fans
@@rafaelhinojosa915 good fuck them 100 percent doubt they were ever gonna release it considering how many fucking years it's been with all the remakes and re releases its mind baffling they never got on that hell people have died waiting for a translation that never came
@@lordsupersucc It is a reference to a youtuber called ProZD, who is an voice actor and made sketches in the past. One of the most memorable lines from these sketches was what Jake said. It's because at this point people think that stuff like this is a reference to that.
The Joycon drift is straight up programed obsolescence. There's no other explanation. At first I thought that they just stumbled into the Joycon drift and took advantage of it by "technically" allowing people to send in their broken Joycon to get "fixed". But no, now that I think about it, it's such an obvious design flaw that it is literally impossible for them to not know about it and still refuse to fix it. For those that don't know the Joycon drift is caused by the fact that the panel holding the joystick's components is held only by one screw so there isn't enough pressure to make contact with the pad inside. That literally can be fixed using a piece of paper.
I also had some controllers drift due to the tiny copper stricks that are used as sliders on the resistance pads are really just tiny bent copper wires, not even stable pads or anything. They are really prone to start bending and stuff and if that happens he whole stick is nonfunctional. The sticks are really made poorly and built way to poorly.
I feel the same way. I really want to be a Nintendo fan, but I can’t help but hate them. The only games I pirate are Nintendo games because I refuse to give them my money out of principle.
I buy the new ones but anything before the switch is free reign Imo. Everyone has a different opinion on piracy and that's mine. I think one think most people who do it agree on is that they wouldn't do it if nintendo offered what they wanted
@@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506 It’s hard to argue with that. Some people act like pirating GameCube games is morally wrong, as if Nintendo gets a cut from used game sales or something.
@NS 317 honestly Sega is pretty good when it comes to PR and workload. I don't think I've seen a single bad news story about Sega that wasn't "fans are upset because new game is new" Nintendo - strikes down fan projects - shuts down unofficial events - excessively moderates Mario Maker (1 and 2) and Miiverse when that was alive. Sega - encourages fan projects and mods - encourages people to hold events and interact with each other - only moderates when things are getting bad "Sega does what Nintendon't" has never been more true, and it's not looking good for Nintendo
@@tymkon7127 I mean, that's subjective. I personally actually enjoyed some of the more recent games, so the statement "Sega can't make good games" isn't true. As for whether or not that's why they let the fans make games, that doesn't really matter, the point is they actually acknowledge the fans and interact with them
Yet both are in the wrong. Nintendo the ones that are willing to shut down devoted fan games (like Project M and pokemon Uranium) and their lawyers who pretty much supports their decisions by continuing their job with them, and the game devs who turn a blind eye and never even mention a word about this controversy, therefore never changing anything. Just the company states the same ol plain and bland response of "safety of our rights" or any nonsense like that and hope while they cross their fingers that people will eventually forget and act like nothing happened. This toxic cycle is the reason why fans slowly yet surely loses respect to the company
The fact that I looked at every single timestamp and immediately knew what incident each one is referring to says a lot about much nintendo is failing their fans.
@@kylehill3643 'Cus nintendrones would defend the company even if it admitted they liked to eat fetuses or something. Hell, they'd prolly argue about how that is a right thing to do.
I wanna just say, with how quickly they swing the hammer, how they hate people who make better games than them, and how they decided to quietly fix joycon drift with a solution that some random dude came up with and not even bother to thank him, I think it's safe to say that Nintendo is the most insecure company I have ever seen.
The whole joycon drift fix thing is a lie, the thing they "added" was always there, it just seems someone freaked put over seeing it for the first time on their zelda joycons
@@leedlelel2373 older models dont have the foam pad, its not certain when the foam pads were first added but this did definietely happen as a fix there are 3 versions of joycons btw
I would expect no less from a 100+ year old company where one of the presidents only accepted the position if the company made sure no other member from his family could work at the company. That guy being Hirochi Yamauchi.
Nintendo is your ex girlfriend that you know is abusive, but she's really pretty and charming, and you keep telling yourself "it's not that bad" even though it is that bad. Meanwhile Sega is the new girlfriend that's really nice and supportive, but because you're nostalgic for Nintendo, you overlook all those qualities because "Nintendo did such-and-such better"
I had Sega right away i only got to play with Nintendo at friends homes, it's sad that Nintendo don't supply the community with its needs especially with their legendary library of games, and it's strange too because at that age alot of their loyal fans might wanna introduce their kids and nephews with their games, and they can really drive home the fun for the entire family old and young alike they're all part of family and having a system that has something for everyone is simply going to win big time!
31:00 not to mention the fact that they couldn’t even bother to put in rubber protectors for the inside of the dock so on day one people switches were getting scratched
I've been calling them "Intend No" for years now, for the above reasons and more. Another aggravating thing they've done for years with their cherished franchises and new systems is to insist upon some new gimmick being introduced that cannot be turned off (and as much of a creative genius as he was/is, I blame Miyamoto largely for this because he's said it verbatim in interviews). That started with the Wii. EVERY GAME needed some silly "shakeshake" control component that could not be disabled. The Wii-U introduced the dual screen, so of course in order to do the closest thing to a decent remake that Starfox 64 will ever get, they needed to introduce the dual screen targeting system (and again, no option to turn it off). F-Zero has been denied a new installment repeatedly since GX because Miyamoto felt that unless there's some new way to "experience" the game (and those horrible controls from Nintendoland AIN'T IT) the franchise is not even worth revisiting. Don't even get me started on Amiibos (yaknow for a company that has destroyed thousands of hours worth of RUclipsrs' work in the name of "brand integrity," they seem to have no problems at all with the insane, online bid-wars their manufactured scarcity on the "rare" Amiibos has created), or the "Classic" emulation consoles (which were 100% sold out in my area for the entire duration of their sale periods). This sort of philosophy would be bad enough if any player still had access to the full library of great past titles that have made Big N what it is today. But no, they have to gatekeep the hell out of their classic titles for everyone who didn't score the "limited edition" throwbacks on whatever console they were available on, at that time period. I actually wanted to buy a Wii-U and finally had the funds to do so right when the Bait-N-Switch was announced. I was greeted with empty store shelves that remained empty for the following 9 months because "out with the old, even if we can't sell you the new until next year because reasons." Meanwhile if you can find a PS5 you have access to a whole library of classic PS1-4 games. (For a price of course, but at least the option is THERE.) I haven't financially supported Big N for quite some time. And as tempted as I've been at points to buy a Switch (or locate a Wii-U at some classic game shop), somehow they always manage to pull some other stunt that makes me close my wallet. Other customers obviously disagree, but I will avoid companies that pull the abusive, Disney "we hate you and we'll blatantly show it and you'll keep buying our stuff anyway, SUCKERS!" business model on principle, if not out of spite. I still have my old Wii with a ton of classic NES, SNES and 64 titles on it (and in retrospect I'm glad I bought them when I could). That'll do for introducing my kids to the classics I grew up on, or revisiting them myself.
I loved the shake shake from the wii. it almost never got in the way and in some cases made the game more fun, like in super mario galaxy, WWII flying aces, wario land; shake it, and wii play. the console gimmicks that came _after_ the wii were troublesome, though.
Buy a wii U, there are good controller options, the dual screens are fun for certain games, and loads of the games will be cheaper there than on switch, and the virtual console is great. I love a select few switch games, but as my first ever big purchase i have ever saved for on my own through hard work, i am heartbroken by how shallow, and lifeless it is
I mean, ya, getting a Wii U used and only grabbing used games for it is the best middle of the road option if you're trying to avoid giving Nintendo money. Or, better yet, the older generation consoles for more of their libraries. ...At least, the ones you can find here and there that haven't been priced for collectors. Probably best to work backwards and see if you can find the games before the consoles.
Best advice i can give you: never say anything in a criticizing video because stupid people will always try to justify something no matter how f up they are
The ironic part is that Sega has actually managed to make money from fan-created games, whereas Nintendo just destroyed both the fan art and their own PR.
"Sega does what Nintendon't!" That really applies here, Sega in my opinion is a company that Nintendo should take inspiration from when acting around fans, Sega manages to deliver good title after good title with they're Sonic, Super Monkey Ball, and many other IP's; While also treating they're fans with the respect and care that they deserve. They don't copyright strike videos, nor take them down for using 4 seconds of music from any of they're games, they don't DMCA fan-games for no reason because Sega enjoys seeing the fans create things centred around they're big franchises, they don't cancel something just because those people in that competition or whatever it is used something that didn't exactly match the original, they won't make a crappy service that's overpriced and not worth your time, and they won't go out of they're way to make you miserable. They put time into they're games, they put care into everything they touch usually, and best of all, THEY ENJOY A FAN-BASE. They've been supporting memes since the Sanic meme in the early 2010's, they make content on RUclips to entertain you when you're not playing a game, they show off people who make art or people who make fan-games or remakes/remasters of they're projects because they think it's cool people are willing enough to make something centred around they're characters and brands. I don't think Nintendo could ever capitalize on the community as much as Sega has and had on any personal or non-personal connection, ever. Sega shows they care, Sega shows that they are always going to care with everything they do, every game, every Twitter post, every event, they show they care, whether it ends up being good nor bad. Nintendo could never live up to this in my eyes, they are just as greedy as any other EA, Konami, Blizzard or any other company known to be greedy in the video game market. Nintendo could really take a page out of Sega here.
@eric Spencer Sega is inconsistent with their titles and they don't know how to manage them correctly, but that's not the point. The point is that they don't treat their fanbase like crap as Nintendo does.
Real quick: If you want something that hits the feels of the 3D Mario titles I recommend A Hat in Time. The game is practically a love letter to 3D Platforming. If you know any other alternatives that can keep up with Nintendo's big titles PLEASE by all means share them. Its the best way to get over the addiction of Nintendo games that is fueling this vicious cycle. Having Alternative Games to finally shut off Nintendo's Money Stream is required to stop the shenanigans of such big company's.
Rayman 2 and 3 from Ubisoft are really great 3D platforming games, they're cheap and you can buy them online for the PC. If you know other great 3D platforming games for the PC, then please share them. I rarely buy a console just to play a game, I'm not a gamer and more of a film enthusiast, but I'd still like to play some great video games.
Some good 3d collect a thon platformers similar to mario 64 include Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, and Spongebob Squarepants: Battle for Bikini Bottom. Both fun games that have just the right amount of content to not be stale, but not feel shorthanded. I also highly recommend the Ratchet and Clank games, those games have an incredibly dedicated and loving fanbase.
7:26 A big reason is also to feel that feeling of exploration, discovery and awe of experiencing a game for the first time. They love the series that the fan-game was inspired by and simply want more of said series.
The sad thing is that no matter how anti-consumer and anti-fan in general Nintendo gets, there's still enough people who'll choose not to give a damn so long as they get their 30 second E3 teaser of a new Zelda or Mario game.
Honestly compared to Bioware, EA and co calling their fans racists, sexists and all the phobes for not liking a shitty game they put out Nintendo is still pretty fan friendly.
@@DreadclawDragodon That's just one game. Buy something else if you don't care about it. Same thing goes with Microsoft and Sony with their remasters, all for which are barebones too besides Demon Souls from Sony. Don't want to play remasters, don't buy em'.
@@SoujiaSoldierKitty deference between Nintendo and any other company is that other companies like Sony or Microsoft give more opportunities to buy games and they don’t stay full price for long periods of time, can’t say the same about Nintendo though.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou ...No, they don't. And what do you even mean by, "more opportunities" to buy games? What does that even mean? Are you talking about the whole mario death day and shadow dragon games? Cause that's Nintendo's onlyy example of "not giving more opportunities to buy games" and thus it makes what you're describing by default. And at least with those, they worked on release. Remember Cyberpunk 2077? Microsoft has the best deal, with gamepass. 5 dollars a month for a catalog of games with no extra cost aside from asking you to repay the next month is amazing. ...Sony, does not have a similar strategy, and even allowed cyberpunk to release in the state that it was on their old platform, since the companies can't just allow ANY game to be sold on their platform. So they willingly put out a broken game, just so they could make that money sooner. Nintendo, has not had this issue. When they publish games, even if they're not all that special... They actually function like they're supposed to. And even then, Nintendo's games don't don't full price forever either. Haven't you heard of sales events?
@@mr.kenway4554 ...How though? Fan works are made out of pure love for their source material. They're not even being sold, so the company doesn't even lose any money when people play the game. That's like saying that you make a character for a story, then someone draws that character because they like them a lot, but then you slap them in the face and rip the drawing into pieces because nobody else is allowed to use the character.
@@mr.kenway4554 The looks on like mega corp companies when you throw that ball is one of apsolute disgust and self hatred cause thats one space they cannot really screw around with. Unless they want to go to the second like highest level of courts at least in the US. Cause the only thing that can really prevent a reproduction is a literal "anti compete" paperwork. 💀
There were already some hardware issues during the Wii era. There was a common issue where your Nunchuk would frequently disconnect from your wiimote There also was a smaller issue with nunchuk drift, even though it clearly wasn't as common as joycon drift
I remember that. I had to disconnect the Nunchuck and reconnect it to the Wiimote so the drift would stop. It wasn't often, but still an inconvenience.
SEGA owns the developers of Total War, Creative Assembly and your comment just doesn't fit. They act just like Nintendo does. cease and desisting anyone who puts journalism out that is in a negative light. A RUclipsr got his content removed from Reddit when he said nothing at all threatening or intimidating.
"We have every right to shut down their fan projects" "But you guys do realize it only hurts their love for you, right?" "But intellectual property rights!" "They aren’t really profiting out of it. What have you got to lose?" "…"
Yeah IP rights when they haven't touched the game in years and it is free to download. Only for them to keep sitting on the IP and them attacking somebody they should have hired to work with them. There's so many IP's companies just let die because they don't know, don't care how to make it work. Damn old corpo mindset doesn't equal money
I think that they are thinking that they can lose sales because they actively know that in many cases fan games makes the original one look like shit Take for example Pokemon reloaded The game is so amazing that makes sword and shield look even shittier than they are,that why his creator discretely takes so much time in updating it,in order to artificially kill some of the hype in order to keep low profile
For me it goes further than this. There's infamous speculation that without "illegal rom distribution sites," Mario 1 would have not been put on Wii Virtual Console, as if Nintendo lost their own code for their biggest legacy game. Whether true or not, their onslaught of attacks for rom sites - suing essentially small businesses for damages in the millions when there's no way to prove their profits would have come close to that - harms preservation of games as art far more than it even protects their brand. They won't see a cent today if I wanted to play Chibi-Robo, but would rather I pay hundreds for a physical copy and however much more for a gamecube aside instead of enjoy their old, unused library for free. There's a whole argument to be made about late-stage capitalism here that I won't get into, but I can at least say Nintendo's been so anti-consumer I quickly waned from only buying games that aren't available anywhere else, to only buying indies supported by the Big N, to now refusing to buy anything at all from the company for the foreseeable future. "Games boycotts don't work" has been thrown around so much these days but honestly if you find it unethical to keep supporting a company that's done this much to abuse your love for their property... _stop_ supporting them. Vote with your wallet.
@@kylehill9969 "We haven't had capitalism since 1930s" Good joke fam. Of course, we almost certainly define/understand 'capitalism' differently or else you wouldn't comment something so ridiculous
Yes. Nintendo sucks. With the seemingly endless examples of terribleness, how can they be seen as anything but a prime example of one of the greediest, anti-consumer corporations? Joycons have to be one of the most uncomfortable, junky controllers ever designed by a top console manufacturer. I can't understand how anybody couldn't be insulted by the $80 price tag! They have been stealing $50-$60 from each person that has bought them since the console came to market. They could afford to replace every single joycon and would still have profited in the end. And only a fraction would need to be replaced. Their stance on this is inexcusable.
The idea of changing names of characters in world to not get sued reminded me of "epistle 3", post made by valves ex-storywriter, where he described story of hl2 episode 3 where he renamed all characters in order to not get sued by valve
And this is why I want to be an indie developer. How incredibly awful it is to be so antsy consumer, so anti fan, and to not only realize how much your fans do for you, but to then turn around and continuously exploit them.
@Kosorouwhat? Good business is good PR and good PR is respecting and encouraging fans. You have good PR, people are gonna buy your stuff and that means more money which sounds like good business to me
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist If money was their concern, then they should understand that ruining the hopes and dreams of fans only means losing money, as those fans will no longer be fans who want to buy their games.
@@thebravegallade731 And that's extremely stupid, and that law should be deleted. Copyright should mean that no one but the person who made something should be allowed to use it commercially. It shouldn't mean that they have to shut down everything related to it that they didn't make. Copyright doesn't seem to protect anyone, even though that is what it exists for...
I can't even begin to explain how much information is in this amazing video. And since you were speaking of consoles by Nintendo in the past are extremely durable, I have a Nintendo 64 and I literally can't tell you how poorly treated it was, and to this day, 19 years after that treatment, it still works COMPLETELY fine. If someone glitches, it's almost always the game cartridge. I'm glad you covered so many things in this video. It's so interesting to look at all of this.
Good Video but Just a heads up, never give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt or excuses, if they want you to defend them, they can pay you for it. Nintendo is a soulless, money hungry corporation that reserves as much respect as Monsanto, black rock or EA.
"But Nintendo will lose its copyright if it allows fangames!" That's the thing though, no they won't. Check out this video that I made with the help of an actual copyright attorney for more information on this subject (link below)
ruclips.net/video/1SMZdUBj0YQ/видео.html
Five Nights at Freddy's is a GREAT example of why fangames are something to be proud and loved by both fans and companies.
They probably want people playing the most recent smash game and feel like melee takes away from the new title.
@@TravisLee33 Then put Melee on the Switch
@@BlueJourney2719 Even though it seems ridiculous to us, that's the same reason they won't do that either... If they add melee to the switch then it takes away from the current smash title. Lol
@@TravisLee33 Dude, I'm pretty sure I'd still play Ultimate regardless. I mean sh*t, I miss Brawl and Wii U for crying out loud
To add on the product durability segment:
There is a game boy which survived a bombardment on the gulf war. The game boy only had its exterior scorched up, but everything else was fine. The console was still capable of playing games as if nothing had happened. The game boy survived A BOMBARDMENT.
Now the joycons break on their own.
INNOVATION!
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REGRESSION
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I love how Sega hired a fangame dev to take part in the creation of Sonic Mania, and Capcom shut down a Resident Evil 2 fan-remake but also hired him for the official remake
@Big Crunch free developers
Valve fliping understand this
(Now they seem to be corred by the money)
Take part? It was all them, Sonic Team didnt have any part and Idk who else did.
I think the difference with Sega is that they can't make a decent game themselves. It made complete sense to let the fan developers make engines and games for them.
If I'm not wrong, ms pacman was actually a rom hack of pacman. Capcom noticed it but then decided to hire the dude who made ms pacman and make it an official game.
@@reethelemon Yes it was, and also vastly superior to the (2600) port of the arcade game. A fan recreation of the original game, Pacman 4k also is used in the Flashback portable in place of the original.
As someone who worked at Nintendo Customer Service, seeing this happen from the inside out was nothing short of depressing. Don’t meet your heroes kids.
I learned that the hard way, as a kid I idolized Miyamoto. And learning how cold hearted he was to fans with the other board members shattered my childhood. I found better idols now, ones that aren’t self righteous pricks.
@@DragonEnthusiast what does he do?
@@James-sc9wb A great developer who eventually turned toxic with board members. Stay a hero too long, you become a villain.
@@DragonEnthusiast Yeah. I learned Jesus Christ is the better model now. I found out the hard way sadly being a worldly person before.
@@ExtraordinaryFate There are powers to be at the top that don't want good and they are more desperate then ever to snuff the last of us out for their perfect Garden of Eden they can control. Hell in Los Angels County I've just heard the 'mini smart cities' are slowly being built with centralized living.
It's funny how "Sega does what Nintendon't" has become an actual critique of Nintendo making bad business practices
Sega supports fan mods and works while nintendon't
Not only with sonic, altho something with sonic mania didnt happend still, you are very freely available to mod other sega IPs like Yakuza or the Project diva games
Sega: Good business, bad games
Nintendo: bad business, good games
@@Trevor_NewJerusalem Bad business is loosing money, but Nintendo is making more money than ever.
@@Joaquinmt4590 that’s not how it works. There’s this little something called goodwill and customer satisfaction, yeah short term they are making bank but long term their revenue is gonna take a hit. Just look at the Witcher 3 and cyberpunk for comparison cyberpunk only sold half the numbers of Witcher 3 even though everyone was in love with cdpr but the moment they saw the drama people stopped buying it I bet that shit game sold 20m only based on their reputation, now wait for their next game and see how much it sells compared to these two
Or in a technical sense, Sega does what "Nintendon't" because assisting in fan works is actually illegal for Japanese law.
Fanfact:
When Nintendo was hitting content creators, people were playing parts of Harry potter movies, so video would got hit by booth Nintendo and owner of HP (whoever it is) so Nintendo would get less money or something like that
I saw a video that mentioned that. RUclips's copyright system encourages you not infringe on 1 company's rights, but infringing on as many companies as possible out of spite is A-ok!
Wasn't this technique popularized/invented by Jim Sterling? The idea is to violate copyrights from multiple sources in the same video, where Jim called it the "Copyright deadlock." But this technique just makes it so that nobody can claim the monetization from the video.
@@Overonator That's it!
I like to imagine the spider man pointing at other spiderman meme
Where it would just be Nintendo and Warner Bros pointing at each other for who's gonna sue who
This word lost it's meaning
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"You're having fun wrong"
-Nintendo
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Alternatively; "No! This isn't how you're supposed to play the game!"
They've right sometimes. Like their decision to have Splatoon 2 salmon run multiplayer mode available only at certain times instead of 24/7. Its special because of that. People appreciate something more when they don't have it.
What’s insane is that nintendo could literally use melee as great PR, “this game is so good it’s still popular after 18 years”
Many devs would kill to have their game being popular even after 18years .
Not even 18 at this point. In a few months that will be at 2 decades. Imagine being a developer with a game with a community that strong and old
The Melee banning thing at least was consistent with how Nintendo acts.
1) Nintendo hates emulation. It lothes it. Nintendo (and Sony) tried to make emulators themselves illegal, but failed so horribly they set a very strong precedent for emulators. So long as emulators don't contain BIOS files, they don't even contest them. Ironically, if you run a tournament using an emulator but have the actual disc, Nintendo couldn't do fuckall to stop it (Though knowing their lawyers, they'll invent a way).
2) As mention in the video, a modded game likely means you got it from a ROM. Even then, you're breaking the agreement that you're not allowed to make modifications to the game. This was the crux, this was how they could ban the tournament.
3) They want people to play Ultimate instead. Ultimate sells copies, whereas they won't make money on Melee. This is the financial reason.
When the Melee tournament announced they were using an emulator, I knew they were dead in the water. My favorite option is 4) Nintendo would realize how terrible their netcode programmers are if a mod of an old game runs online matches better than Ultimate ever will for free.
@@Sandact6 These videos and threads are interesting because they're an echo chamber for people that have zero clue of how this world works and are stuck in their own delusion and nonsense.
Some that I've found in this post:
- Nintendo never hated emulation, Nintendo never try to make emulators illegal as Nintendo's lawyers are among the best and knew back then that emulators were legal, that's only Sony that tried that nonsense (with Bleem! IIRC) and failed miserably, but it didn't fit your BS narrative so you couldn't say the truth;
- Nintendo (Playstation as well) actively combats piracy against its work as it's its bread and butter, that's the main money making business of Nintendo nowadays, and Nintendo is a very small company, not a big one like Sony and MS. Your emulators are useless without pirated games (most ROM played) and piracy is very dangerous to the business, as shown by DS and PSP, which killed both consoles, despite DS being the most sold consoles to consumer of all time, games weren't selling at all as piracy was everywhere with R4 cards and the like. PSP got killed even faster, some people bought it just to play pirated games;
- IP laws force a company to actively protect its IP and have proof of it, or the company risks losing its IP rights. Nintendo having real world lawyers and having business in the real world knows this and do just what it has to do to not lose its valuable IP, it's the only company left with so strong and so old IP in the videogame industry, that's why their action are more prominent and scrutinized than others. Pirates living in their bubble believe nonsense like in this video. Anyone with even the slightest clue about copyright and IP laws in the USA would have understood that making a tournament with distributed modded games (legally the same as distributing pirated games with DMCA) was beyond stupid;
- Anyone talking "netcode" advertizes that they have no clue of how a game is programmed, how network works, basically no clue in computer science and tech. This is further reinforced by someone that has no clue in the difference between making online matches between 10s of people and 10s millions of people, surely (like most) people that believe that networks works well everytime when actually there's constantly problems in networks at the hardware level (and I'm not talking congestion there), despite the hardware having ECC RAM or mitigation hardware like that. When the volume of compute and data is high enough, these problems people are oblivious of start to happen, like in Smash Bros, the sole fighting game to reach such sales;
@@0okaze dunno what you mean by nintendo is a very small company, theyre worth billions
The absolute best quote I heard about this topic is by Nerrel: regarding Nintendo taking down fan projects, he said "just because they have the right to do it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do".
sure most sega games after 2015? are total shit but atleast they dont shit on fan games,and they even hired fans to make sonic mania
"Just because your correct it doesn't mean your right."
Why did I read this with nerrels voice
Why can't fans just make an original IP inspired by the series they love? They don't need to make a fan game.
@@Meetwadsometimes you're passionate about an ip and want to express that passion in a more profound way
"Why only allow one save? What's it gonna hurt?"
Nintendo loves the idea of every player having their own console. They love it so much that they design their consoles and games to assume that there is only one owner and player. Because it worked that way with handhelds, and now they have their home console hybridized with their handheld, so we can have all the downsides of a home console with all the bad design ideals of a portable, which is the worst combination for us but the most lucrative one for them.
"all the downsides of a home console with all the bad design ideals of a portable"
That was certainly true of the Wii U's lame freak of a gamepad.
most lucrative one for Japan.
Or because you could only have one town, just like every other animal crossing game :/
@@3Dee_King just because something is the norm doesn’t mean it’s a good norm.
@Ruby Williams Did you just spend all this time replying to every single person in this comment thread with the same comment?
You need to optimize your time better.
I used to draw my own Pokémon designs for years since I was very little. I had some pretty good ideas too tbh inspired by my love and passion for the series. My mom unbeknownst to me had at the time, actually reached out to Nintendo and inquired if there was a way and process to submit designs but instead, was met with a harsh notice stating to stop immediately or face copyright penalties because I was stealing by using their ips or something idk
I’m not even kidding. Bless my moms naivety but ever since I found out I see them differently and I haven’t drawn any of their ip since. I still enjoy Nintendo products I just see through their facade as what they are: a corporation seeking profit
Mess with a dude's mom and it's over
And I thought Pokémon drama couldn't get any worse. I'm sorry, mate.
that's very sad, nintendo are such crybabies
Which is a far, far cry from how they were in the past.
Take Megaman 6, where two of the robot masters were fan submissions.
I hope you stopped buying their products too.
*In a parallel world where Nintendo is a supply company*
Nintendo: "Here's your hammer, thank you for your purchase."
Random Person: "Cool." *attaches hand grip they made*
Nintendo: "Okay, committing fucking theft I see."
That is a really good example of what they do.
Also Nintendo: "It's treason then."
If nintendo made hotdogs:
Nintendo: Here's your hotdog!
Consumer: Nice! *adds ketchup*
Nintendo: how dare you steal our hotdogs
lol, what is this a reference to? There are lots of third party switch grips online available for immediate purchase. Nintendo consoles have always had 3rd party peripherals (controllers, memory cards, decals/skins, etc), even back in the NES era when the company was very stringent and controlling about its hardware and properties.
@@butterchicken4 Don't take the example of a grip to a hammer so literally. It can mean any such modification other than peripherals, like the ones described in the video that were targeted by Nintendo.
25:00
Nintendo was jealous that the Smash community can make online servers that actually run smoothly.
The worst part about levels in Mario maker getting taken down is that they usually are the ones people poured effort into, meanwhile 1-1 clones, pick-a-door levels, and underwater mazes are left untouched.
Wait, Nintendo actually take down people's level in their own designing Mario Maker game?
Ironic
@@frds_skce Now they take down their OWN IP'S,
I see... They stepped up their game...
Why
And the ones which are impossible to play online
What do you mean? They are taking down levels that their fans made in the game where you are supposed to make creative levels?
Disney and Nintendo have so much in common:
1. Iconic mascot - Mickey mouse/Mario
2. Amazing products - movies/games
3. Horrible corporate practices
And I say that as a Nintendo fan. It disappoints me how Nintendo just disrespects their fans so much.
also keep reselling the same movies/games to us haha
@@Incidius only if you buy them
Same
They also had edgier rivals that over taken them for a short while : dream works and sega
@@Incidius What's wrong with reselling their beloved franchises? If they're good & everyone loves them, they should resell those franchises, right?
When Sega posted on their Twitter that they gave the rubber stamp of approval for fan games (with the caveat they weren't being monetized), it made me feel happy.
@Sister Supersonic Wavemaster, their record distributor, did that.
EDIT: RIP Lolcow's comment.
sega is a chad
nintendo is a virgin
@@DamageMaximo Well SEGA in a sense learned that their fans are the ones keeping them alive at this point, while Nintendo has so much power and money that they really don’t care what fans say.
They also took down the Streets of Rage remake which was ridiculous since they approved it before.
@@ParrotMan01276 because from what I've heard, the creator was making money off of it
This video hit home really hard. Nintendo is a hilariously backwards company. Does anyone remember how downright draconian Nintendo was during the earlier parts of the Nintendo/SEGA rivalry? Nintendo has been an anti-consumer company for decades.
Apparently not. So many people in Nintendo comments sections say stuff like "what happened" or "they were better before X happened" or something.
Nostalgia blindness and busy parents, sure it's easy for a non-fan to notice their most recent exploitative practice selling faulting controllers for years; but those wealthy enough to not care won't bother complaining, and oblivious parents will probably blame their kids' recklessness instead.
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist so?
Sorry, but could you explain what were their practices?
(I was a child during Nintendo X SEGA, so I don't remember lol)
Nintendo is "horrible" really only to customer and all, their Devs don't go through crunch or sexual harassment at least 🤡 (they even made certificate for gay couple to recognise them and pay them the same as straights one while it's still illegal in Japan so yeah I think I rather support rats who at least does quality and respect it's employee than opposite lol)
30:00 *Iwata was against this* . In fact, when the DS was being made, it was tested to survive 6ft falls, so people could confidently play on the go.
my DS lite was literally broken in half and still worked LOL
Iwata was the soul of nintendo
@@uranometry1339 Same with my DSi XL, but not as major
Sad Iwata is gone.
@@KrymsonScale Yes... Rest in peace, Iwata..
I have 2 moods:
"boy I love Nintendo, is my fav company :3"
"wtf is wrong with Nintendo? I literally hate them"
As a wise person once said "I love Nintendo's products, but I hate Nintendo"
Same
@@Jake-jk3yg YEAH, EXACTLY
As a lifelong Nintendo fan, I agree. :')
YEEEP
what pisses me off the most out of the limited release games is that they actually made an official english translated version of the first Fire Emblem that had never been released outside japan before and it was only sold for 3 months and didnt even get a physical game card version so it just doesnt exist anymore
I'm still mad about them pulling Mario 3D allstars off of the switch. what a cheap tease. offer like the best mashup of games ever and then snatch it away almost as soon as it becomes available.
It's the same crap they did with the NES/SNES classic, they created an artificial shortage solely for profit. what a scumbag tactic.
@@hobomike6935 yeah that game was such a cashgrab. Does Nintendo just hate their legacy content? Genuinely confusing lol
I heard about this, you reminded me of this, I don't even like Fire Emblem, but that is as shittier then the 3D Mario All-stars because at least you can buy the original or emu it.
Fire Emblem is one of my favorite franchises. I was hoping that the fact that the delisting of the translated re-release as well as Mario 3D All-Stars was an April Fools joke just so Nitendo could sell a lot of copies, but unfortunately, it wasn't. I still luckily bought the Fire Emblem translation the day before just in case, though.
@@KazuhaEien How is any of that problematic? Save the original FE translation.
You didn’t even mention the Splatoon tournament. I don’t remember the exact number but 3 or 4 of the teams made their name FreeMelee in response to the smash tournament you mentioned. Nintendo refused to stream the tournament because of the team names. Not to mention the grand prize of the tournament was $20 eshop credit. And there’s reports from previous tournaments that the winners never even got the prizes.
When I brushed over the Smash stuff for the reason that other people covered it better and in more depth than I could, I definitely had the FreeMelee movement in mind and Splatoon's involvement. I should have at least mentioned it though.
@@ingeniousclown No worries! I just didn’t know if you or other people were aware of it. Very good video nonetheless.
@@cooperproductions2532
If I remember correctly, the Splatoon tournaments were later on held by another company and they offered a ay bigger prize
those bitchez
NINTENDO OFFICALLY HAD NO RIGHTS TO REFUSE TO STREAM THE TOURNAMENT.
Actually, Nintendo's most passionate fans are their shareholders
Underrated comment.
You wish lol. But they’re actually that brainwashed.
@@Lvlaple4Ever And those investors when they see scary events around the world WILL hold back or order companies like Nintendo to hold back on production until things 'get better' whatever the hell that means these days.
“I allow him to play for 2 hours a week, and he isn’t keeping up with his studies, my wife is getting mad at me, do you sugest reasons for usage”
yes this is real
😂😂😂😂
If memory serves, there was a guy who did an impressive Skyrim mod back in the game's earlier years. It was on the scale of a DLC/expansion, and he was the only one to work on it. He got hired onto a gaming company for pulling off such a feat (I think it was Bungie). Also there are currently huge mods being made that either remake the entire older TES/Fallout games being made that Beth/Zen/MS haven't shut down, and honestly those companies would be foolish to not hire some of the key staff to help them with future titles with the work they've been doing.
Here's another thought: Why didn't Nintendo offer to either buy out something like AM2R (just buy the dev's game and sell it to make profit and everyone wins) or at least consider hiring some of these modders/devs to work for them? So much potential, but yet Nintendo throws it away to keep this "honor" of their properties... Nintendo saved the gaming market, and honestly they still are by being an example to others as to what NOT to be in terms of customer/fan relations.
Several mod teams have been hired by Valve for their work, too. Actually, almost all of Valve's game IPs started as Half-Life mods. There was one HL2 modder who made Minerva Metastasis, which was also similar to a DLC and within the same canonical universe. He got hired after making the mod, though I don't know the details.
The main dev does work on some Nintendo games such as Hollow Knight after the AM2R thing so eventually he did not let his talent go to waste
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Milton Guasti (the guy who created AM2R) works at Moon Studios now and helped develop Ori and the Will of the Wisps. He got hired specifically because his fan game was such high quality. Imagine if he got hired by Nintendo instead and worked on Metroid Dread? They surely missed an opportunity there.
@@MisterDutch93 Hard to know what all studios work with Nintendo or not
@@mikeexits Portal and Portal 2 have mechanics taken from Digipen students' games Narbacular Drop and Tag: The Power of Paint.
Regarding fangames: developers, DONT SHOW OFF YOUR GAMES TILL THEYRE FINISHED AND AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD!!!
Ik you wanna build up hype and interest in your projects or show off the process, but just release it, let people download it and it'll be out in the wild before Nintendo takes it down.
It's more the news media needs to not report on Nintendo fan games. The fan games live perfectly fine for months even years, until an outlet shines a spotlight on them. The games get killed because of the articles. There are even fan games that have been around forever, but never been reported on and they have not been shut down.
Better yet, "leak" the source if you get a C&D. Nobody can prove you weren't hacked.
Release the source code and build instructions in a torrent to make it as hard as possible to swat down.
Yeah Pokémon brick bonce has to hide
Wasn't there people who had it way worse by following this advice?
If Nintendo's able to prove culpability on the devs for doing something that hurts their brand image (including the exclusivity of their brand), that's not a C&D, that's a lawsuit.
Sure, fans get what they want because it's on the internet; it's there forever, but devs have to remember that a lawsuit that puts them into a hole forever is also a thing.
The advice should be; make it as legally distinctive as possible and don't use Nintendo-made assets.
Also, don't use direct Nintendo's games' names, that if a google search happens, it shouldn't be able to get confused with the real thing.
I have first-hand experience with this topic. Back in the late 1990s, Nintendo had its own BBS where many of us would discuss our favorite games. When Mario Kart 64 came out, I was discovering several game-breaking shortcuts in the early months. One in particular was a lap skip in the Frappe Snowland track, which I described how to do on their BBS.
Sure enough, they'd steal credit several months later in Nintendo Power magazine, only stating it was found by "clever fans via our website." This incident inspired me to make my own site, so that proper credit could be given to the sources.
I appreciate everything that you did for MK64 back then, David!
This video is over 45 minutes long, even though he didnt even talk about speedruning. as a zelda speedruner myself i can say that we’re definitely one of the most passionate group of zelda fans out there and all we want is for nintendo to do well- nothing. though nintendo sweeps in and patches some frame perfect glitches that require a very percise setup and even though im 100% certain that no player ever just accidentally happened to stumble upon these glitches in a casual playthrough they still patch it out just so we cant play through their game fast anymore. it seems like they do this because we actively break their games, but i and basically every zelda speedruner feel like this isnt a bad thing at all. in fact its literally free ads we do for them in showing off the potential to spend thousands of hours in their games. though all nintendo does is take this passion as an insult.
A lot of devs do, unless it is game devs as game devs see the actual meaning of it. Like the devs that don't understand sees bugs and glitches even exploits as faults in the game or programs and such that they don't want people to see.
Though you do have some devs like Mercury Steam that does patch stuff only if it hurts the game like soft locks hard locks and game breaking bugs that casuals could do too easily by accident such as what is basically turning on god mode in Metroid Dread, but if that one was allowed to stay even if casuals don't do it then eventually the speedrunning scene would stagnate fast
Though if a player does stumble across a frame perfect glitch unless they were looking for something to exploit they would not think about it and just assume it was normal gameplay or a weird little bug that was a small oversight such as the invincibility glitch in Metroid Dread. And while people love blaming Nintendo for the stuff that they do in patching speed tech out what they need to realize is that it is not Nintendo's fault it is the individual Dev studios sole discretion to do it such as Mercury Steam patching stuff not Nintendo as Nintendo does not care as long as they hit the sale numbers they were hoping for within the first week
Take this as a life lesson: love things for there perfections and there imperfections
if you're so passionate about speedrunning why don't you learn how to go fast in the version of games without that glitch?
I think he didn't bring it up since that sorta stuff is kinda niche and isn't a real problem. Games have been getting re-releases and patches all the time and communities are used to making sub categories and rulesets about which version of which game to what degree of glitch breaking are played.
Further most glitches are the result of minor oversights that occur from the act of creating an entire game from scratch; I doubt that not being able to wrong warp to the end of the OoT remake is as much about Nintendo going out of their way to spite 0.1% of their audience as much as them coding something from scratch will result in those specific oversights not existing.
Thankfully Metroid Dread isn't experiencing this same issue oddly enough. It did a BIT when they patched out the glitch that lets you beat the game suitless but developers seem to be aware of a lot of the other speedrunning glitches and haven't patched them ou-....WAIT A MINUTE SOMEONE ABOVE ME ALREADY SAID ALL OF THIS LOL IM BLIND
Toby Fox found a glitch in the Spamton NEO fight in Deltarune and instead of patching it out, made it so that it activates "Hard Mode" instead. That dog is a true genius.
I love Nintendo for their games, the people that make them. The corporate side is terrible
Just like Disney. There are the people that want to make people happy, then there are those in the same building that just want to make them sad. That's life, bro. Highs and Lows.
Same
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 Yep!
Paper Mario Sticker Star is a classic
@@theminecraft2516 Paper Mario 64, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, and Super Paper Mario are all timeless
Nintendo is pretty much the Disney of the video games industry: the worst out there but the general public doesn't care because they own their childhoods
That's pretty much true. In both cases, brand image is meticulously groomed, so IPs are fiercely guarded. The difference might be that Nintendo still publishes good games, while modern Disney is 98% garbage, and Disney's lobbyists write its own copyright laws to protect its cultural monopolies ironically built off the public domain.
i think blizzard takes the cake now
While imo they’re not the worst, they’re still very bad and have a lot of the same issues a bit similar to what Disney has (unnecessarily strict copyright, greediness). There’s much worse companies out there tho, EA and Activision Blizzard in particular
@@realpotassium to be honest idk unless they stop making finished products
@@aknightwithme
I mean, for all we know Nintendo could be much worse than we know of seeing the situation with Activision Blizzard go down tbf
Nintendo most definitely has a legal right to push the common man around
however
we also have a legal right to criticize them for their actions
True! But I guess for them money talks….
common person
@@Mirthful_Panda their money can talk all it wants, cant stop people from posting criticisms on the internet
@@chaos0987654321oh no criticism on the internet! Really dude? You think they're scared of comments and videos? You guys still pre order the latest Nintendo games anyway
6:52 "A fangame is never going to replace an official product."
SEGA - Hold my rings.
what fangame?
@@QUBIQUBED Sonic mania
pokemmo is awesome
@@plushluigi7417 I'm not a big Sonic fan, and I always thought that was official LOL
@@QUBIQUBED It is an Official game but made by the Fans.
It's funded and approved by Sega so it is Technically a official game.
You can drop an entire gameboy color off a 7 story building, and it would probably work just fine.
*And yet a whole ass joycon can't survive 3 months without drift.*
I absolutely despise the fact that my Joycon's R button is not working, may drift once in a while, Can't press on the left Joystick anymore.
Damn
Thankfully my joycons have been fine for 8 months but I'll be replacing them with the Hori Split Pads soon
@@chazzilla8919 I have the no-name original Hori is rebranding for those, it's sticks aren't as sensitive as the Joycon's and don't have NFC, but in every other way it dominates the Joycons. Hope you like it as much as I do.
@@KiraSlith I definitely will! Thanks
I remember smacking my gameboy color with a hanger because for some reason it didnt register in my head to throw in a new battery.....yeah it didnt survive
AM2R was the first Metroid game I tried.
It introduced me to the franchise & I ended up trying Dread as a result.
If anything, fan projects help benefit Nintendo, but they're just overprotective.
This makes so much sense!
This also ties back into the whole RUclips and Nintendo controversies, even if someone makes a video making negative comments about a game, other companies see this still as a positive since it’s basically free advertising from popular internet celebrities that say this game is good, even if it isn’t it still spreads awareness about a game and can push devs to make a game better in turn
Melee: *more than 20 years old and there is no production of copies anymore*
Some innocent person: preserves it via download in a computer and add a bunch of things to make it more fun and experience
Nintendo: this is an avenger’s level threat.
Nintendo: B-B-B-But it’s MY toy!!! Mine mine mine mine mine!!!!1! We don’t wanna sell it!!!
You forgot the part where they make a patreon out of it and moneyhise it, that's the illegal part 🤡
@@gay4sswhovian That’s literally not what the comment is about-it’s talking about Melee. Not Yuzu.
@@gay4sswhoviandonations aren't illegal, so you can keep your clown emoji
Nintendo is like a drunk salaryman who everybody knows having a drinking problem. He works very hard at the company and make very impressive results. If anybody else wants to be as efficient or even copy his work. The Drunk Salaryman comes and mauls you behind the office building. The company where this salaryman works justifies all this by stating: "He's adult. He can do whatever he wants."
Sadly. Everybody wants to work with this guy since they don't know his alcoholism problem.
Except you enjoy the mauling and when you do file complaints then those of us conservative cannot take you seriously: Especially you did it willingly yet you demand to impeach the President of Nintendo even though more proof comes out that fans did it consensually. The news tries to make a spin off of it and the economy gets dragged along for the ride.
@@kylehill9969 impeach a president of a company? Dude... Don't.
Just stop commenting.
@@seanboglio3605 lol you don’t like a donkey XD
@@kylehill9969 Forgot to take your meds?
@@currentlycaffeinated3882 Have fun with CNN then!
"don't confuse Nintendo's legal team with Nintendo's creative team"
-san tzu, art of dmca
*Sun Tzu
@@notfunny8743 I think the joke just went way over your head there. He called him "San Tzu" as though to avoid a copyright infringement. :P
@@davekaye5483 Gotta respect the hustle,right?
Also Nintendo: ruclips.net/video/2T2R3FfnO-Y/видео.html
I don't see the creative team doing much to speak out so they aren't innocent in my eyes either.
Apple, Nintendo and Disney
The golden trio of disrespecting customers.
all the smooth brained shills afraid to hit the like button on your comment
I mean, I don’t think apple count because they depend on thermos customers and they appeal to them specifically. That are not friendly with new users or leaving users tho
Funny. That spells AND
Actually there's a squad now. Apple, Nintendo, Disney And Paramount.
@@GodpraisethePALANTINE what do you mean by paramount
Remember these wise words:
"Love Nintendo developers, not Nintendo corporate."
I hope to work for them someday, so hopefully I can do something to change that
@@pvzmariosonica8fan The purity of this man saddens me. It's like if Papyrus from Undertale took a trip to the world of Berserker.
@@pvzmariosonica8fan You can't change it. That's how their ways work. Remember Nintendo is a japan based company and those typically tend to be companies so steeped in traditions that hurt their business they just let it happen for the sake of tradition. There's also the way copyright law works in Japan, which is even more ass backwards than here in the US.
@@megaman37456 You know what's more backwards than Japanese copyright law? Public school dress codes!
@@pvzmariosonica8fan Facts.
"Dead pixels are expected to happen with LCD displays."
Of course it is. It is when you use the cheapest lowest quality displays you can buy.
i have a switch and oh boy that thing is garbage its weaker than an xbox 360 and u have to play o that shit machine to play exclusive games i might try taking out the ssd and putting it in my pc which has an rtx 3080 and a ryzen 7 5800xi hate modern nintendo they changed so much but changed in a bad way i miss old nintendo the only reason i got a switch is pokemon sword and shield i hate teh way nintendo is so family friendly if u put ure age under 13 you cant play online WTF NINTENDO and i also miss old pokemon sword and shield is the only modern pokemon game i like since now nintendo controls most of pokemon now and again makes it too family friendly they used to want to be suitible for all ages but now they only aim for 5 year olds i used to really respect nintendo but now i look at them in disgust but i will get the steam deck and it will prob be great i have a valve index and its great valve is a great company and i respect them as much as i used to respect nintendo and i had all the hardware issues exept for dead pixels yes mine warped and who else wants a wii 2
@@winniethexiping1062 your argument would be better if it was legible. And made it plainly obvious you weren’t like 11 years old
@@winniethexiping1062 The odds of you having an RTX 3080 are very slim to none.
@@user-sn8zx5mv1x its not that rare 1 of my friends has 2 rtx 3090s
@@user-sn8zx5mv1x lol, I have a 3070... It's really not that rare. They come up for sale constantly if you know where to look
I’m starting to get a lot of Anti-Nintendo video essays recommended to me all of a sudden.
That's why we're all here
Same
People are becoming more aware
Same
Hmm, i wonder why
I honestly see this hostility towards their fans is reaching a boiling point, there’s going to come a point where people will have had enough of their bullshit.
Another economic collapse like Obama and it will happen again. They got sick of it during the Wii U era but it wasn't bad enough. Now we have a lot of Agenda 2030 playing out literally in front of our eyes and people still deny it till one of their own loved ones is hauled away. BTW: This already happened in 1939.
I hate to say but it won't happen. For as many people as there out calling out Nintendo on their bullshit there's two bootlickers who defend the company tooth and nail saying they're doing nothing wrong.
People are too comfortable to make any fucking change. We could call out the rich for their corruption and the corporations, we could make some huge differences, but people live in such propagandized worldview. Like E1lite Yoshi said, there are always people who just seemingly live to defend awful practices. So many people live in black and white, unnuanced ideologies where they cannot imagine enjoying something and asking better of it, or calling out bad practices while pointing out fun and good ones as well. If they love something, then that must be accepted 100% for everything it is no matter what. It really is a reactionary mindset.
Well most Nintendo fans don’t know or care about anything in this video, so a loud minority of people may be upset but the silent majority is gonna continue worshipping Nintendo.
Yhea and if they say oh we’re going to use this fan thing so we can use it even though we took it down that would make a lot o controversy I hope it happens so they stop also if Scott the woz gets taken down I mean they would do everything because of copyright even ones like the trail for being related would be a last straw
31:53 what's sad is this isn't an oversight.
It's a model called "Buy now or die" where they on purposely make an product ready to break down so you'll buy an identical variant or an upgraded one with extra price, or the "consumer" just has to "die" which means being stuck with the broken product, in this case being the Joycon. A joycon pack in my region costs upwards of $71 or higher, that pricing should be a crime but it isn't.
If a company isn’t physically selling copies of their old games, emulation should be legal.
They will try to make it illegal.
Ignore them, and make it legal.
What pains me the most is the libraries on the internet that aren't even handing out illegal copies but just keep them to be preserved, that often also get hit with cease and desist letters, threats to their project and more. There's countless games that will never, ever see a re-release on modern consoles. Because they're not well known, didn't make money back then. But because of that, they also barely sold and finding physical legit copies of those games is basically impossible. The community goes to such efforts to preserve games so they won't forever get lost to time, and then Nintendo is like "suck it guys, we don't care how much you do out of love for our games, cease and desist!"
Emulation should always be legal no matter what. Not my fault Nintendo ain't putting out their games onto PC and Nintendo doesn't lose a single cent because I wouldn't have payed for the game either way.
Emulation IS legal. The problem is getting the copyrighted source code of the game you want to play. Say, you can reverse engineer an NES and make a program that plays NES games. That's emulation, and is very legal (though a few legal wars were fought for it). However, getting a game that was copyrighted by a long gone 90's company basically puts the game in a "legal limbo".
Fair use should also protect historic preservation of software.
specially when they make those online only games that will eventully die and become unplayable.
I have never seen a company get away with being so openly hostile to the very idea of a fandom as much as Nintendo has
See Disney.
Because they have so many fanboy slaves that it is to the point where it almost seems feudal.
@@WisteriaDrake When has Disney shut down a rom hack superior to their own works?
@@kylehill3643 They shut down the Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic fan remaster.
Nintendo is like an abusive parent who claims they love and care about their fans but never gives them what they want and punishes them when they do it themselves
"SEGA does what nintenDONT." Hits different now.
Yeah. Early on it was (i think) a slogan, but now it's becoming more of a fact
Arlo has talked about Nintendo's laughable relationship with their legacy content a few times now. In general preservation of older games is a bad joke in this industry, but Nintendo seems especially bad at it.
Not just especially bad at it. At worst most companies simply forget about game preservation and let the fans do it for them. Nintendo constantly makes sure to stomp any preservation.
@@R77ification But we all love Bombozzle or is it Kablooy?
They roll with "The Disney Vault" policy.
I read this in arlo's voice and yeah preservation of games is a joke. Very few companies care about it to any extent.
@@mental263 One game I'd love to see remade is New Adventures Of The Time Machine with the open world of BOTW. That game just SCREAMS it! It was okay for it's time but it's age shows if you can get it to work. It is a very strange game getting to run. You can see a full play of it and someone recently uploaded a gamerip.
While Sega actually _hired_ a fan developer to make an official Sonic game, Nintendo just takes down every single fan game that comes their way. Seriously, I consider AM2R to be much, much better than Samus Returns.
Super Smash Flash 2, a project that may go on to outlive Nintendo itself: "Pathetic."
How do you do the leaning text?
havent seen many fan games getting taken down lately though
@@Damian-cilr2 probably because people don’t wanna take the risk anymore
@@ScytheJackal it's more that they haven't noticed them yet
I'm shocked how much Nintendo can fail in so many aspects, yet still flourishes. I hope they hit a fairly substantial crash and are forced to reassess how they do things.
Same. At this point, I've lost all sympathy for Nintendo and all that's affiliated with it and want to see them get stomped like the Goombas they are.
I want them to become a 3rd-party developer.
and actiblizz bro, was a fan of blizz and nintendo games then shit went down and idk how theyre still going to this day
@@deltanize9618 hearthstone cards and nintendo online
I just really want Nintendo to learn from their mistakes and actually try to keep the consumers in mind. I love their games, but they really have to rethink the way they do things.
Ever since Iwata's decease, their reputation has been downhill ever since
Iwata was the super glue/duct tape holding the company that was bound to fall apart eventually.
Iwata's cease and desist sorry I'm bad at this
@@Manas-co8wl bruh
@@Manas-co8wl yea you are bad
They were up to largely this same shit even during Iwata leadership, and don't forget that he was responsible for the Wii U
I miss Satoru Iwata. Nintendo got a lot darker after his passing.
their chains were released once he passed
@@awesomefox555 yep, and unleashed the foul beast that is nintendo
same's true of most modern corporations whose old owners had better intentions
i hate modern nintendo they changed so much but changed in a bad way i miss old nintendo the only reason i got a switch is pokemon sword and shield i hate teh way nintendo is so family friendly if u put ure age under 13 you cant play online WTF NINTENDO and i also miss old pokemon sword and shield is the only modern pokemon game i like since now nintendo controls most of pokemon now n=and again makes it too family friendly they used to want to be suitible for all ages but now they only aim for 5 year olds
It got worse after Reggie left
Nintendo is a walking argument for serious IP reform.
copyright law in general sucks rn. Weve already seen it get asinine as hell with music copyright I dont want everything to go down the same road.
Disney is another. All the fairytale movies that made them big? They use stories from the public domain. Or: Everyone can use them. Except they can't. Because Disney holds the copyright for their versions. And is vicious about it. While lobbying to extend that copyright. Otherwise, all those characters would be public domain again. But they aren't. Which is a crime.
@Top Noodle I learned about it from this Wisecrack video. (ruclips.net/video/tzk03NNwQz4/видео.html)
It's honestly terrifying and I'm p sure Tom Scott has another video on how broken and out of date the Copyright System is.
Touhou continues to live out of fan content, and the reason Friday Night Funkin had a lifespan that impressed rhythm game veterans (who thought it would be a short trend) was because it was open source, so modding it was easy.
@@nestrior7733 that’s the reason why they make the live action versions of older movies
They did the same thing to Splatoon 2 as they do to melee. Some time in 2020 they struck down a Splatoon 2 tournament and the splatoon and melee community came together to host a tournament with the biggest Splatoon prize pool ever of like $20,000 I think? For the record, nintendo usually gave the winners of these tournaments some copies of Arms
I'm shocked, and frankly disappointed, that there haven't been any boycotts or public protests against the things Nintendo does. Someone should change that.
because nintendo literally made everyones childhoods. except for mine, i didnt own a ds until i was 13 and i was already addicted to minecraft soooooo...
Care to start one?
Just tell me which site you'll start it at, so i can join.
To be fair, it's probably because the creative side of Nintendo is one of (if not the) best mainstream game dev company in the market.
What's failing is the corporate side, except if you try to boycott the company, the corporate will be the last to suffer, as they control who gets the money
@@tsunayoshisawada8062 Even if they themselves are the ones accused?
@@RooneyHimself They won't listen to us unless we boycott, but if we do boycott, the creative side would lose first anyway, and Nintendo would lose what made it a fantastic game development company
Valve is not perfect by any means. But when they see a good idea they hire the people who made it or they sell their game on their platform and not only get money but also semi-help the developers. Even if they don't help them they don't kill off their ideas like Nintendo. And I think that's something I can really appreciate about Valve.
Just like Sega, they often support fan games.
And also the re-logic, the developers are extremely friendly. A guy remade terraria on scratch, everyone was thinking it would be taken down since it was very similar but one of the developers(re-logic) just said that the developer(fangame) did a really good job lol.
@@RealValkor as someone who messed with scratch a lot when I was a kid, that is super impressive. The language isn't all that powerful, and making games beyond simple platformers and isometric shooters is a really steep challenge
@@Coffeekitty7 ikr? That is by far the most impressive scratch game I have seen yet.
@@RealValkor fr. A lot of people don’t understand how hard making games can be
Hopefully VALVE stay like this after Gabe retires or he ummm... Goes to another place, because when the Companies Leader or Founder passes on, the rats came in, Nintendo was already doing this like late 2000's or even earlier, Apple kinda but Steve when he was alive he really computers (the Apple II is another story) , and even fought against having the Mac cheaper back in like 80's, but booted out of the company, then later on it was a mistake and bought his company and put him back as the CEO.
30:57 The sheer fact that Nintendo states that dead pixels "just happens." is beyond insane. Nintendo is a literal cult at this point. They sold cardboard to people at a premium, and people actually bought it.
They sold plastic boards for the NES before. It's not their fault for people buying weird/random stuff.
he's right. they licensed a POS called the "speed board" which was literally a piece of plastic to set your controller in, that purportedly "put the speed at your fingertips" but really just made games unfun to play.
nintendo's done good AND bad things in the past, and in the present. they're not wholly criminal, like microsoft is.
Nintendo is now the apple of the video game industry. You're not paying for a product(game) when you give Shitendo your $$$$ these days, you're paying for brand recognition.
Dead and stuck pixels are almost a solved problem with modern display technology. You tend to have them when you use cheap low quality displays which were made with older manufacturing methods. Go pick any 300 USD smartphone, tablet or similar and see how many have those issues.
@@ShooberTimber "... these days, you're paying for brand recognition."
I'm sorry, what? Yes, I get that Nintendo does very evil practices. But to say you're giving them money for brand recognition is just a straight up lie.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Flipnote Hatena the wise? I thought not. It’s not a story Nintendo critics would tell you. It’s an animator's legend.
"It seems like since the Wii, Nintendo consoles are just filled with more and more parts that are going to break"
I just want to point out that every iteration of the DS went through incredibly rigorous tests before Nintendo was happy with their resilience, like being dropped no less than 20 times from a 2-story building. This whole "Nintendo hardware isn't what it used to be" is a pretty recent thing. The Wii may look and feel flimsy, but let me tell you, that thing is durable as hell. And that goes doubly so for the Wii U.
the wii U's controller was durable, but it sucked. it was very heavy and clunky feeling, and the buttons were always a _little_ too far away from where they should be.
playing on it hurt the palms of my hands from stretching my fingers so far to reach everything I needed. wii just did it better.
The Wii's controllers could be yeeted at walls and TVs, break the TVs and walls, and substance no damage upon themselves. That is durability.
@@33pandagamer wait they made them out of Nokia's?
DS lite is nowhere near durable that particular system was messed up
@@coolwinner5312 you want to elaborate on that? Because I got spec sheets and dozens of articles on the topic to share lol.
A legend once said that "Just because you have the rights, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do."
That's probably the most contradicting thing I've ever heard Tbh lol.
@@Mario123007 Kind of is.
Who said that?
@@Mario123007 Why? The word "right" as a noun and as an adjective means completely two different things.
@@kuba37571 that's sure a persuasive explanation lol.
While I haven’t given up on Nintendo I do think we are definitely entering the Dark Ages of Nintendo for a rather long time until someone comes along and improves things.
Started in 2015 it’s awesome baby people don’t realize this
I remember that once I dropped my switch about 3 feet and one of the joy-cons litterly ripped out and became permenantly broken. Definitly NOT an extremely sturdy console.
Yeah, honestly, it's really depressing.
Nintendo are not as consumer friendly as they used to be, and not as supportive of their fans as other studios, like Valve or Sega.
Hopefully one day, they fix their mistakes...
...Maybe even see this video.
...Though we all don't have high hopes for them...
yeah, valve is greedy but they actually support fans.
FUN FACT: before portal was released, there was a game called Narbacular Drop that was made by a small team, valve saw this and was so impressed they hired the entire working for it. the team would later come to make portal.
SECOND FUN FACT: during the development of portal 2, a small game once again was made called Tag: The Power of Paint. this used a mechanic using paint that lets you jump high, stick to surfaces and go fast! valve saw this and used the mechanic for portal 2.
I guess after Nintendo watch this video
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They would ask to take the video down.
Nintendo being Nintendo.
Naw I don't think they'll ever fix their mistakes. People will never stop buying their games and praising them, so Nintendo has no reason to change
unfortunately it is going to take a market crash for them to finally realise they need to change their ways. I see that happening eventually, they have become too stagnant. The steam deck and the copycats it has inspired will likely eventually be the trigger for such a market crash.
@@Zincoshine- nintendo would be the last company to go in a market crash scenario cause 95% of everyone else is worse and they have stupid amounts of cash (for a reason)
Player First died with Iwata...and Transparency left with Reggie.
Yep the company is pretty souless without them, sorry Miyamoto, your a legendary man, but you have really made some awful mistakes, like you can’t deny he’s partly why all this has happened.
@@joshshrum2764 Pretty sure Miyamoto actually has nothing to do with all the takedowns and other crap. He's been a game designer for pretty much his whole time at Nintendo. I doubt he has the power to control the legal team.
@@joshshrum2764 woah miyamoto just makes the games
@Skyrkazm 101 Paper mario and star fox says otherwise
@@cubedmelons876 Miyamoto's the reason F-Zero hasn't gotten a new game since 2003.
Nintendo: we gonna hunt you and sue you millions of dollars
Sega: hire this fan-game developer
Nintendo are such bastards I say they need sueing or dead
Sega does what Nintendon't
Sega and Nintendo are opposites in more than one way
@@ALJR_YT they didn’t lie sega dose do what nintendont
Nintendo sued SML for using their characters.
Refusing to do anything about Nintendo's practices because of nostalgia is why its a problem though. You can't let nostalgia cloud your mind from what is right and what isn't. Not doing anything is the same as endorsing it, they'll take it as compliance and keep going
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist Except it's not good for business to treat fans like this, and shut down ever fan project they can get their hands on...
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist No. It's not good for business to alienate fans by destroying everything they do. in reality they should see it as free advertisement.
Understanding that basic truth does not make me a communist. It just means that I know what's wrong with Nintendo and that they need to change.
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist They do need to change and be less hostile towards their fans. If you don't see that, then you just have no morals or empathy.
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist It's a toxic form of capitalism that no one gains anything from. It just makes a company look stupid and greedy.
You also look stupid, by the way, because you also don't understand what copyright is and how to do it the right way instead of the Nintendo way...
@Kosorou wow rude
What's sad about the 3d All-Stars thing is that my local Target, Walmart, and GameStop still are trying to sell their last batch, well after the March 31st deadline.
Wait, really?
@@spykelandis mmhmm. It's kinda sad
Same here (im from europe), my local store still has like 5 copies lol
Edit: only 2 copies sold since then lol
Nintendo: don't pirate our games
Also Nintendo: *pulls artificial scarcity of digital goods*
For physical carts I do understand, but digitally? FFS, AFAIK digital goods mostly gone because licensing issues, but not this!
If someone from europe is interested, 3d all stars is for sale on amazon for 43
I don't know if it's a miracle or Nintendo just didn't care that Mother3 got a fan translation.
I really don't know what happened there either, but I'm extremely glad they decided to ignore it (I'm pretty sure they contacted nintendo too).
Supposedly the creator of the fan translation received an email from a Nintendo representative saying that if the fan translation ends up releasing, that it would ruin the chance of mother 3 ever receiving an official translation.
Well the thing is, Mother 3 got some serious controversial issue that prevents Nintendo from making an english translation of the game (or re-release at this point). So, this fan-made translation actually preserve Mother 3 with their fandom as Nintendo doesn't have to pay for the price of the game's content ( *cough cough* Magypsies *cough cough*).
But yeah, Nintendo kinda ignore Mother 3 translation patch and it's all good for us fans
@@rafaelhinojosa915 good fuck them 100 percent doubt they were ever gonna release it considering how many fucking years it's been with all the remakes and re releases its mind baffling they never got on that hell people have died waiting for a translation that never came
TRU
EmperorLemon sends his regards.
I saw! It feels good to be acknowledged on this hellsite.
King dragon sends his regards
@@jakeroku6494 Who's that?
@@lordsupersucc It is a reference to a youtuber called ProZD, who is an voice actor and made sketches in the past. One of the most memorable lines from these sketches was what Jake said. It's because at this point people think that stuff like this is a reference to that.
@@jakeroku6494 ...
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It’s a good thing I brought a spare gun!
The Joycon drift is straight up programed obsolescence. There's no other explanation. At first I thought that they just stumbled into the Joycon drift and took advantage of it by "technically" allowing people to send in their broken Joycon to get "fixed". But no, now that I think about it, it's such an obvious design flaw that it is literally impossible for them to not know about it and still refuse to fix it. For those that don't know the Joycon drift is caused by the fact that the panel holding the joystick's components is held only by one screw so there isn't enough pressure to make contact with the pad inside. That literally can be fixed using a piece of paper.
Honestly I think the explanation is crappy quality on industry parts for the sake of making an extra dollar on bulk manufacturing.
Anyone realise here that you can recalibrate the controller stick and it will help?
@@ingeniousclown you can use recalibrating to make it a bit better
I also had some controllers drift due to the tiny copper stricks that are used as sliders on the resistance pads are really just tiny bent copper wires, not even stable pads or anything. They are really prone to start bending and stuff and if that happens he whole stick is nonfunctional. The sticks are really made poorly and built way to poorly.
I feel like they only reason they did that was because so people could pay more money to get new joy cons
"I want to give Nintendo all my money, but they just make it so hard for me."
You're free to use this quote whenever you like.
I feel the same way. I really want to be a Nintendo fan, but I can’t help but hate them. The only games I pirate are Nintendo games because I refuse to give them my money out of principle.
I buy the new ones but anything before the switch is free reign Imo. Everyone has a different opinion on piracy and that's mine. I think one think most people who do it agree on is that they wouldn't do it if nintendo offered what they wanted
@@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506 It’s hard to argue with that. Some people act like pirating GameCube games is morally wrong, as if Nintendo gets a cut from used game sales or something.
@@derp195 piracy HECK YEAH MAN (only for anything that was released before the switch for Nintendo games)
@@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506Agreed with this.
Nintendo sins could be a daily series and you'd never run out of things to talk about.
@NS 317 Do you have any examples of bad decisions from Sega?
@NS 317 honestly Sega is pretty good when it comes to PR and workload. I don't think I've seen a single bad news story about Sega that wasn't "fans are upset because new game is new"
Nintendo
- strikes down fan projects
- shuts down unofficial events
- excessively moderates Mario Maker (1 and 2) and Miiverse when that was alive.
Sega
- encourages fan projects and mods
- encourages people to hold events and interact with each other
- only moderates when things are getting bad
"Sega does what Nintendon't" has never been more true, and it's not looking good for Nintendo
@@petermarsella6537 sega is letting others make sonic games, because they can’t make a good one
@@tymkon7127 I mean, that's subjective. I personally actually enjoyed some of the more recent games, so the statement "Sega can't make good games" isn't true. As for whether or not that's why they let the fans make games, that doesn't really matter, the point is they actually acknowledge the fans and interact with them
@@petermarsella6537 Exactly. It's this reason as to why I prefer Sega over Nintendo.
So basically.
Nintendo Game Devs are pretty chill.
Nintendo Lawyers are a-holes.
yup thats sums it up. Great devs, great games, shit lawyers, shit managers
Yet both are in the wrong. Nintendo the ones that are willing to shut down devoted fan games (like Project M and pokemon Uranium) and their lawyers who pretty much supports their decisions by continuing their job with them, and the game devs who turn a blind eye and never even mention a word about this controversy, therefore never changing anything. Just the company states the same ol plain and bland response of "safety of our rights" or any nonsense like that and hope while they cross their fingers that people will eventually forget and act like nothing happened. This toxic cycle is the reason why fans slowly yet surely loses respect to the company
your mom
@@internal.rage. only the epicest of gamers can use that line
@@BlaketheBlock epik gamer i am
The fact that I looked at every single timestamp and immediately knew what incident each one is referring to says a lot about much nintendo is failing their fans.
How come most forums they look at you like an alien from Mars if you mention any of this?
@@kylehill3643 'Cus nintendrones would defend the company even if it admitted they liked to eat fetuses or something.
Hell, they'd prolly argue about how that is a right thing to do.
I wanna just say, with how quickly they swing the hammer, how they hate people who make better games than them, and how they decided to quietly fix joycon drift with a solution that some random dude came up with and not even bother to thank him, I think it's safe to say that Nintendo is the most insecure company I have ever seen.
The whole joycon drift fix thing is a lie, the thing they "added" was always there, it just seems someone freaked put over seeing it for the first time on their zelda joycons
@@leedlelel2373 older models dont have the foam pad, its not certain when the foam pads were first added but this did definietely happen as a fix
there are 3 versions of joycons btw
Wait how did they fix it?
@@chazzilla8919 Sliding a piece of card under the joycon part.
I would expect no less from a 100+ year old company where one of the presidents only accepted the position if the company made sure no other member from his family could work at the company. That guy being Hirochi Yamauchi.
Damn that cat is pissed about the lack of virtual console!! I feel that pain...
30:02 true one of my buttons (zl or zr) literally popped off like popcorn whilst i was playing a game
Nintendo is your ex girlfriend that you know is abusive, but she's really pretty and charming, and you keep telling yourself "it's not that bad" even though it is that bad.
Meanwhile Sega is the new girlfriend that's really nice and supportive, but because you're nostalgic for Nintendo, you overlook all those qualities because "Nintendo did such-and-such better"
you good g?
Remember
Sega does what nitendont
Cringe 😐🔫
I had Sega right away i only got to play with Nintendo at friends homes, it's sad that Nintendo don't supply the community with its needs especially with their legendary library of games, and it's strange too because at that age alot of their loyal fans might wanna introduce their kids and nephews with their games, and they can really drive home the fun for the entire family old and young alike they're all part of family and having a system that has something for everyone is simply going to win big time!
@@bored3542 *facts
31:00 not to mention the fact that they couldn’t even bother to put in rubber protectors for the inside of the dock so on day one people switches were getting scratched
I've been calling them "Intend No" for years now, for the above reasons and more.
Another aggravating thing they've done for years with their cherished franchises and new systems is to insist upon some new gimmick being introduced that cannot be turned off (and as much of a creative genius as he was/is, I blame Miyamoto largely for this because he's said it verbatim in interviews).
That started with the Wii. EVERY GAME needed some silly "shakeshake" control component that could not be disabled. The Wii-U introduced the dual screen, so of course in order to do the closest thing to a decent remake that Starfox 64 will ever get, they needed to introduce the dual screen targeting system (and again, no option to turn it off). F-Zero has been denied a new installment repeatedly since GX because Miyamoto felt that unless there's some new way to "experience" the game (and those horrible controls from Nintendoland AIN'T IT) the franchise is not even worth revisiting.
Don't even get me started on Amiibos (yaknow for a company that has destroyed thousands of hours worth of RUclipsrs' work in the name of "brand integrity," they seem to have no problems at all with the insane, online bid-wars their manufactured scarcity on the "rare" Amiibos has created), or the "Classic" emulation consoles (which were 100% sold out in my area for the entire duration of their sale periods).
This sort of philosophy would be bad enough if any player still had access to the full library of great past titles that have made Big N what it is today. But no, they have to gatekeep the hell out of their classic titles for everyone who didn't score the "limited edition" throwbacks on whatever console they were available on, at that time period.
I actually wanted to buy a Wii-U and finally had the funds to do so right when the Bait-N-Switch was announced. I was greeted with empty store shelves that remained empty for the following 9 months because "out with the old, even if we can't sell you the new until next year because reasons."
Meanwhile if you can find a PS5 you have access to a whole library of classic PS1-4 games. (For a price of course, but at least the option is THERE.)
I haven't financially supported Big N for quite some time. And as tempted as I've been at points to buy a Switch (or locate a Wii-U at some classic game shop), somehow they always manage to pull some other stunt that makes me close my wallet. Other customers obviously disagree, but I will avoid companies that pull the abusive, Disney "we hate you and we'll blatantly show it and you'll keep buying our stuff anyway, SUCKERS!" business model on principle, if not out of spite.
I still have my old Wii with a ton of classic NES, SNES and 64 titles on it (and in retrospect I'm glad I bought them when I could). That'll do for introducing my kids to the classics I grew up on, or revisiting them myself.
I loved the shake shake from the wii. it almost never got in the way and in some cases made the game more fun, like in super mario galaxy, WWII flying aces, wario land; shake it, and wii play.
the console gimmicks that came _after_ the wii were troublesome, though.
Buy a wii U, there are good controller options, the dual screens are fun for certain games, and loads of the games will be cheaper there than on switch, and the virtual console is great. I love a select few switch games, but as my first ever big purchase i have ever saved for on my own through hard work, i am heartbroken by how shallow, and lifeless it is
I mean, ya, getting a Wii U used and only grabbing used games for it is the best middle of the road option if you're trying to avoid giving Nintendo money.
Or, better yet, the older generation consoles for more of their libraries. ...At least, the ones you can find here and there that haven't been priced for collectors. Probably best to work backwards and see if you can find the games before the consoles.
Best advice i can give you: never say anything in a criticizing video because stupid people will always try to justify something no matter how f up they are
@@sayori3939 uh what does this have to do with this comment thread, sorry?
17:30 the start of it : nintendo cares for its customers and loves its fans
the end : nintendo won't mind killing their fans.
"Sega still does what Nintendon't"
Sega is dead lol
I mean the consoles. There still are games
@@neuro3834 just because they don’t have console doesn’t make them dead . They are going great finically
@@Hybattt Yea I recently realized that
@@neuro3834 actually they have the sega genesis
Sega reacting to fan games: Amazing work! you guys are really passionate!
Nintendo reacting to fan games: THATS MONEY WE COULD BE MAKING!
ironic part is that people VERY rarely charge money for those fangames
The ironic part is that Sega has actually managed to make money from fan-created games, whereas Nintendo just destroyed both the fan art and their own PR.
@@TheOriginalTim what's PR?
@@Winter_lights en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations
Capcom: Holy shit! You guys wanna join our team for a project?!
Nintendo so badly wants to deny the fact that most of their profits come from legacy fans buying their products and not exclusively little kids.
Since Iwata is gone. Nintendo is back to the Pre-Iwata way. but in a more scummy, more disgusting, and more importantly, unfriendly.
"Sega does what Nintendon't!"
That really applies here, Sega in my opinion is a company that Nintendo should take inspiration from when acting around fans, Sega manages to deliver good title after good title with they're Sonic, Super Monkey Ball, and many other IP's; While also treating they're fans with the respect and care that they deserve. They don't copyright strike videos, nor take them down for using 4 seconds of music from any of they're games, they don't DMCA fan-games for no reason because Sega enjoys seeing the fans create things centred around they're big franchises, they don't cancel something just because those people in that competition or whatever it is used something that didn't exactly match the original, they won't make a crappy service that's overpriced and not worth your time, and they won't go out of they're way to make you miserable. They put time into they're games, they put care into everything they touch usually, and best of all, THEY ENJOY A FAN-BASE.
They've been supporting memes since the Sanic meme in the early 2010's, they make content on RUclips to entertain you when you're not playing a game, they show off people who make art or people who make fan-games or remakes/remasters of they're projects because they think it's cool people are willing enough to make something centred around they're characters and brands. I don't think Nintendo could ever capitalize on the community as much as Sega has and had on any personal or non-personal connection, ever. Sega shows they care, Sega shows that they are always going to care with everything they do, every game, every Twitter post, every event, they show they care, whether it ends up being good nor bad. Nintendo could never live up to this in my eyes, they are just as greedy as any other EA, Konami, Blizzard or any other company known to be greedy in the video game market. Nintendo could really take a page out of Sega here.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 Nope Konami main profits come from Pachinko machines and water bottles in Asia and Japan.
@eric Spencer The Soundtracks was amazing then Sonic Mania bashed eveey game they made and will go down in history as the best sonic.
@eric Spencer bruh what about the other franchises
@eric Spencer yakuza and puyo puyo
@eric Spencer
Sega is inconsistent with their titles and they don't know how to manage them correctly, but that's not the point.
The point is that they don't treat their fanbase like crap as Nintendo does.
Real quick: If you want something that hits the feels of the 3D Mario titles I recommend A Hat in Time. The game is practically a love letter to 3D Platforming. If you know any other alternatives that can keep up with Nintendo's big titles PLEASE by all means share them. Its the best way to get over the addiction of Nintendo games that is fueling this vicious cycle. Having Alternative Games to finally shut off Nintendo's Money Stream is required to stop the shenanigans of such big company's.
I second this - A Hat in Time is an amazing game.
Banjo-Kazooie is great, but it's on the N64.
Rayman 2 and 3 from Ubisoft are really great 3D platforming games, they're cheap and you can buy them online for the PC. If you know other great 3D platforming games for the PC, then please share them. I rarely buy a console just to play a game, I'm not a gamer and more of a film enthusiast, but I'd still like to play some great video games.
Some good 3d collect a thon platformers similar to mario 64 include Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, and Spongebob Squarepants: Battle for Bikini Bottom. Both fun games that have just the right amount of content to not be stale, but not feel shorthanded. I also highly recommend the Ratchet and Clank games, those games have an incredibly dedicated and loving fanbase.
AHiT is a way better game than blandyssey.
Also, for an actual good Paper Mario game, play Bug Fables.
At least five nights at Wario's is still up on gamejolt, let's hope that Nintendo doesn't take down FNaW or any of its fan games
7:26 A big reason is also to feel that feeling of exploration, discovery and awe of experiencing a game for the first time. They love the series that the fan-game was inspired by and simply want more of said series.
in the words of a wise samurai cyborg: "being legal doesn't make it right"
Preach
The sad thing is that no matter how anti-consumer and anti-fan in general Nintendo gets, there's still enough people who'll choose not to give a damn so long as they get their 30 second E3 teaser of a new Zelda or Mario game.
Honestly compared to Bioware, EA and co calling their fans racists, sexists and all the phobes for not liking a shitty game they put out Nintendo is still pretty fan friendly.
@@off_Planet $60 for a barebone remaster of a wii game with a quality of life improvement locked behind a amiibo “fan friendly” kek
@@DreadclawDragodon That's just one game. Buy something else if you don't care about it. Same thing goes with Microsoft and Sony with their remasters, all for which are barebones too besides Demon Souls from Sony.
Don't want to play remasters, don't buy em'.
@@SoujiaSoldierKitty deference between Nintendo and any other company is that other companies like Sony or Microsoft give more opportunities to buy games and they don’t stay full price for long periods of time, can’t say the same about Nintendo though.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou ...No, they don't. And what do you even mean by, "more opportunities" to buy games?
What does that even mean? Are you talking about the whole mario death day and shadow dragon games?
Cause that's Nintendo's onlyy example of "not giving more opportunities to buy games" and thus it makes what you're describing by default.
And at least with those, they worked on release.
Remember Cyberpunk 2077?
Microsoft has the best deal, with gamepass. 5 dollars a month for a catalog of games with no extra cost aside from asking you to repay the next month is amazing.
...Sony, does not have a similar strategy, and even allowed cyberpunk to release in the state that it was on their old platform, since the companies can't just allow ANY game to be sold on their platform. So they willingly put out a broken game, just so they could make that money sooner.
Nintendo, has not had this issue. When they publish games, even if they're not all that special... They actually function like they're supposed to.
And even then, Nintendo's games don't don't full price forever either. Haven't you heard of sales events?
They're not better at hiding it, they're better at convincing people that it's morally correct.
Nah I think they just don’t care
It is morally wrong to justify fan works in any capacity.
@@mr.kenway4554 ...How though? Fan works are made out of pure love for their source material. They're not even being sold, so the company doesn't even lose any money when people play the game. That's like saying that you make a character for a story, then someone draws that character because they like them a lot, but then you slap them in the face and rip the drawing into pieces because nobody else is allowed to use the character.
@@mr.kenway4554 Legally theres always the loop hole of calling it educational 🤣
@@mr.kenway4554 The looks on like mega corp companies when you throw that ball is one of apsolute disgust and self hatred cause thats one space they cannot really screw around with. Unless they want to go to the second like highest level of courts at least in the US. Cause the only thing that can really prevent a reproduction is a literal "anti compete" paperwork. 💀
There were already some hardware issues during the Wii era. There was a common issue where your Nunchuk would frequently disconnect from your wiimote
There also was a smaller issue with nunchuk drift, even though it clearly wasn't as common as joycon drift
I remember that. I had to disconnect the Nunchuck and reconnect it to the Wiimote so the drift would stop. It wasn't often, but still an inconvenience.
Nintendo: “Nooooo you can’t just show our character for on frame in that video!!!”
Mojang, Sega, etc.: “nice fan game/mod, wanna join our company?”
SEGA owns the developers of Total War, Creative Assembly and your comment just doesn't fit. They act just like Nintendo does. cease and desisting anyone who puts journalism out that is in a negative light. A RUclipsr got his content removed from Reddit when he said nothing at all threatening or intimidating.
"We have every right to shut down their fan projects"
"But you guys do realize it only hurts their love for you, right?"
"But intellectual property rights!"
"They aren’t really profiting out of it. What have you got to lose?"
"…"
Yeah IP rights when they haven't touched the game in years and it is free to download. Only for them to keep sitting on the IP and them attacking somebody they should have hired to work with them. There's so many IP's companies just let die because they don't know, don't care how to make it work. Damn old corpo mindset doesn't equal money
Oh they're fuckin losing alright, it's just their own fualt now and it's because of their goddamn ip religion.
They can't shut down fan projects in Dreams, which is a PlayStation game. It's unethical.
@@ExeErdna yup
I think that they are thinking that they can lose sales because they actively know that in many cases fan games makes the original one look like shit
Take for example Pokemon reloaded
The game is so amazing that makes sword and shield look even shittier than they are,that why his creator discretely takes so much time in updating it,in order to artificially kill some of the hype in order to keep low profile
For me it goes further than this. There's infamous speculation that without "illegal rom distribution sites," Mario 1 would have not been put on Wii Virtual Console, as if Nintendo lost their own code for their biggest legacy game. Whether true or not, their onslaught of attacks for rom sites - suing essentially small businesses for damages in the millions when there's no way to prove their profits would have come close to that - harms preservation of games as art far more than it even protects their brand. They won't see a cent today if I wanted to play Chibi-Robo, but would rather I pay hundreds for a physical copy and however much more for a gamecube aside instead of enjoy their old, unused library for free.
There's a whole argument to be made about late-stage capitalism here that I won't get into, but I can at least say Nintendo's been so anti-consumer I quickly waned from only buying games that aren't available anywhere else, to only buying indies supported by the Big N, to now refusing to buy anything at all from the company for the foreseeable future. "Games boycotts don't work" has been thrown around so much these days but honestly if you find it unethical to keep supporting a company that's done this much to abuse your love for their property... _stop_ supporting them. Vote with your wallet.
We haven't had capitalism since 1930s big business protection set up by FDR and never released.
@@kylehill9969 "We haven't had capitalism since 1930s"
Good joke fam. Of course, we almost certainly define/understand 'capitalism' differently or else you wouldn't comment something so ridiculous
@@kylehill9969 I think you mean Ronald Reagan lmao Big Business rose under Reagan when every single anti-trust measure was stripped.
@@kylehill9969 Where do politics fit into this?
Yes. Nintendo sucks.
With the seemingly endless examples of terribleness, how can they be seen as anything but a prime example of one of the greediest, anti-consumer corporations?
Joycons have to be one of the most uncomfortable, junky controllers ever designed by a top console manufacturer. I can't understand how anybody couldn't be insulted by the $80 price tag! They have been stealing $50-$60 from each person that has bought them since the console came to market. They could afford to replace every single joycon and would still have profited in the end. And only a fraction would need to be replaced. Their stance on this is inexcusable.
The idea of changing names of characters in world to not get sued reminded me of "epistle 3", post made by valves ex-storywriter, where he described story of hl2 episode 3 where he renamed all characters in order to not get sued by valve
And this is why I want to be an indie developer. How incredibly awful it is to be so antsy consumer, so anti fan, and to not only realize how much your fans do for you, but to then turn around and continuously exploit them.
@Kosorouwhat? Good business is good PR and good PR is respecting and encouraging fans. You have good PR, people are gonna buy your stuff and that means more money which sounds like good business to me
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist exactly, capitalism rewards unethical practices sadly
@Kosorou - Gaming Completionist If money was their concern, then they should understand that ruining the hopes and dreams of fans only means losing money, as those fans will no longer be fans who want to buy their games.
@@Tasorius on the other hand if they just let people use thier ip they can flat out LOSE it according to US copyright law.
@@thebravegallade731 And that's extremely stupid, and that law should be deleted.
Copyright should mean that no one but the person who made something should be allowed to use it commercially.
It shouldn't mean that they have to shut down everything related to it that they didn't make.
Copyright doesn't seem to protect anyone, even though that is what it exists for...
I can't even begin to explain how much information is in this amazing video. And since you were speaking of consoles by Nintendo in the past are extremely durable, I have a Nintendo 64 and I literally can't tell you how poorly treated it was, and to this day, 19 years after that treatment, it still works COMPLETELY fine. If someone glitches, it's almost always the game cartridge. I'm glad you covered so many things in this video. It's so interesting to look at all of this.
That segway into joycon drift was so creative.
Good Video but Just a heads up, never give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt or excuses, if they want you to defend them, they can pay you for it. Nintendo is a soulless, money hungry corporation that reserves as much respect as Monsanto, black rock or EA.
Extra respect points because EA doesn't make quality games.