Some of these comments are making me wish I never reacted to New Jeans I spent 40 mins praising the girls and the talents, the melodies as catchy and fresh and the dances as interesting. I like them a lot and made that clear. I had an issue with cookie and not because I am generally against young idols or suggestive lyrics as I explained. I didnt say people are wrong for seeing it differentiy so i would appreciate that same respect. SO NO I am not homophobic closed-minded, jumped to conclusions, rude, hypocritical. I will not be fake so people like it better. I never laid insult at the girls, I simply reviewed the elements I was presented with I explained in detail that the visuals, members expressions, some suggestive dance moves and definitely lyrics - both those in English and those translated in English make me uncomfortable. It's possible there is a double entendre in the meaning but any analysis should still accept the element of romance/sexual invitation and innuendo. They centred the lyrics on a boy. If its just about their music being a cookie the subject would never be identified. Also the cookie is referred to as being owned by them, e.g my making it clear its an exchange involving two people. Its something the girl can give not something owned by the group as a whole. The chorus uses 3 well known double entredes side by side, hungry, thirsty, dessert together the message is clear. The innuendos throughout the song are very clear. The lyrics are composed in English by western writers so English was original. If the Korean translations were cuter that's fine, I only respond to what I saw and heard. I'm bored of going through my interpretations because of defensive fans. Critique doesn't negate any value in them. It's how we should approach art! If you want to share your different interpretations of the elements let's go for it. If you wish to abuse and insult me your message with be deleted and you will be removed from the channel.
People blindly defending the song is the problem. i feel like if people wanted to actually support the group they'd actually consider and take note of the criticisms and controversy around the lyrics and the CEO. Whether or not fans want to claim it was intentional or not, the company should've known better. Even Koreans found issues within the lyrics so you're definitely valid. Anyways I loved the reaction, I had the same exact reaction to cookie so I was laughing seeing someone else go through it as well.
The Korean public doesn't have an issue with cookies Go and look at what they say about the video and song. I don't have an issue with the song or vid all I see is very talented girls who will only get better over the years. How many young rappers male and female come out a young age and say a hell of a lot more than cookie that makes most people head go right to the gutter....lol But I love that you give your honest opinion on anything. Keep being you,😊😊
@@MatserZelgadis there are many koreans who find the lyrics weird and odd too there are even videos of it. A few translated comments does not mean nobody finds an issue with it 💀 and just because younger people have sung worse doesn't make it okay??
I disagree with the dance moves I’m a 16 year old my self and I dance. Their dance is nowhere near sexual the dance is actually really fun and cool. If you want an example as an sexual dance then you can watch lip and hip by hyuna.
I think you’ll be pleased to know that some members already took part in the writing process for « hype boy » and « attention », i mean it’s their debut and they’re already involved ? It’s so rare, for a girl group especially, I’m actually really proud 😊
In Korea, hand holding between girls is normal and a sign of good friendship, also I think it’ll make more sense if you watch the Hype Boy music vids :)
@@daniela.R2549i think she was trying very hard to find s3xualized moments in each video. She started doing it from the first video. I think she came in already extremely biased and was just looking for proofs
For your comments on the "gazing" during the beginning Hype Boy: they were just pretending to talk on stage, as if they were on campus. I don't think there was an ulterior motive or whatever
The two girls at the beginning who seem to be a romantic couple would make a little more sense if you watched the music videos for Hype Boy. They did four versions with different storylines. Three of them were individual members and the fourth one was those two members.
i think you’re referring to haerin and danielle having an mv together. however, on stage it was haerin and minji looking at each other. i get what you’re saying though, it probably does tie in to the storyline
Actually Danielle, the one you thought was 14 is actually 17. Hyein is the 14 yr old She had bangs and was wearing a black vest/long pants in the Cookie MV
Couldn't hold my laugh on your reaction on "cookies" .. didn't even know there was a different meaning to it!! Gosh! I felt the same , it's annoying that knowing the lyrics still love the song n the melody 🤣 they are indeed great vocal at such age!
tbh, i liked cookie's instrumental, vocals, and dance... its really the lyrics that really threw me off. I mean, they could've connected a cookie to other aspect/s, such as a heart. Like, a cookie is sweet and soft but fragile, they could connect it to a girl's personality like that. That even though their heart's like a cookie, it shouldn't be broken. HYBE! PLS BE BETTER AT MAKING CONCEPTS AND NOT LETTING THESE PRECIOUS GIRLS SING SMTHNG ABT A SEXUAL INTERACTION. btw, i'm 16, but, listening to adults like you, makes my opinion more solid. But again, overall, they are a great rookie group and i am already a NewJeans stan < 3
At first listen for Cookie I was like uuuummmmmmm nnnnnnnoooooo because well we know Internationally what Cookie references but upon rewatching it I started to wonder if they were referring to their music..................man I like the song but the lyrics and so much more make me hella comfy ngl.
@@tiffanykim2773 yea same the cookie is talking about their music their cd since that’s what cookie means in Korean and that’s why their cd randomly popped up in the video as well
@@tiffanykim2773 its a really unfortunate situation. i feel like they were blindsided by the Korean meaning for cookies that they fully overlooked the innuendos. the song was written by an English speaker so they probably wrote it that way and the people working for newjeans probably overlooked it because they were too focused on the cookie meaning CD thing and not knowing the slang. some people say they did it intentionally but i really cant imagine why they would willingly put a ton of controversy on themselves. Tbf even as an English speaker from the UK i didn't know cookie meant that until this thing blew up cause no one uses it here in that context and the first time i heard the song it fully didn't click for me either. I hope in the future they are extra carefull of stuff like this and make sure its age appropriate.
I might be wrong, I don’t know much about the group, but I heard that their creator and CEO use to be a Creative Director in SM Ent, and was actually in charge of SNSDs debut concept. The fact that you mentioned the lack of individuality and the emphasis in unity is interesting, since I remember you mentioning the same about SNSD during their debut era. So I guess it makes sense they are taking some of SNSDs debut formula with a modern twist. I’m liking it!
Funnily enough I think the youngest (who was born in 2008 😭) looks like one of the oldest. She’s the one you pointed out that looks like she’s been in the game for long (I believe she sings first in cookie). Hanni looks very young to me. But they all look super young and under 18. Koreans have said that the Korean lyrics to Cookie are very innocent but there’s no denying that the translation is creepy af. You could blame it on poor translation but even the lines originally written in English are highly suggestive. The most disgusting thing about Cookie to me is that Danielle (the one you think is the youngest) and Hanni are both Australian and speak English. They’re probably aware of the suggestive nature of the lyrics and I hope they don’t feel too uncomfortable performing the song. I agree that hybe is making them very similar. I still can’t tell the difference between Hyein and Haerin and it doesn’t help that their names are very similar.
I wish you can watch the mvs for hype boy next time 🥺 the whole concept of these mvs is brilliant I think ☺️ ( plus, you would probably enjoy the song more with a bit of context) Ps: I agree for cookie, this is such a shame 😕
Hahahaha your reaction to cookie was PRECISELY how I reacted. Like it’s so well produced and performed, but it just feels creepy to listen to knowing how young they are lol. Even being charitable and assuming they aren’t trying to make that many double entendres it’s pretty dang obvious…
What I have figured out rn is that Minji is the oldest and the Leader .(18) and then there is Hanni who is probably a main dancer (18). and then Danelle is 17 idk her position but she is just the cutest and could easily be a Visual. Haerin is 16 I’m pretty sure and she gets quite a bit of lines so she is probably a vocalist, all of them are , but-. And then the Maknae is Hyein who is only 14 but she is the tallest, and she looks and acts a lot more mature.
I just saw the credits for Cookie. It was written by a Swedish Producer so the English Lyrics are probably not direct translations of the Korean lyrics. So there wasn’t any mistranslations Hybe/Ador must have used the original English demo lyrics on the CCs
since the writer was Swedish for me that means they probably were not aware of slang in the US for cookie, honestly I'm from Europe too and I had no idea why ppl had problem with a word "cookie" so their explanation for the song made sense; I found other lyrics more problematic so I was so confused at first why fans were talking about the cookie sm
@@anetasz7759 even if that is true It says something about the lyrics if you still saw other lyrics as problematic even though you didn’t understand why ppl were upset about cookie.
as metaphorical cookie is representing on a song, the girls did actually explained what they interpreted from the lyrics and said that cookie was meant to convey that they made something sweet like a cookie to their fans, it could be that this meant that it's their music. think of it like if our mind was a blank canvas and we were just to put meaning to things in our minds, if one wasn't malicious enough or green minded in their heads, they wouldn't think cookie was literally meant other things but just about someone making a cookie. it's all about one's perception and interpretation that makes cookie naughty. yes they are young and having mature audience with dirty perception is none of their problem, it's almost equivalent to saying that it is okay for men to tell girls what to wear.
The new group I would stan. Attention will soon hit its 100th Real time All kill in all music platform in Korea. Pls react to hypeboy mvs, it's currently on a roll behind Attention in charts.
I love your honesty that's why I watch your reactions, I completely agree with you in terms of the song cookie. The message is clear but some fans are defending it blindly and that's the biggest problem. I think we should let hybe know that this is not okay and buying the album, streaming the song will only encourage them to do more and go further than this. After the rumours I checked attention and hype boy and everything was cool I loved the songs the members are so talented the outfits are suitable but after listening to cookie I realized why there was a controversy. I can't help but think what will come next, hybe is doing this much when they're still minors, what kind of content will it make when they're adults ???
@@satyratosin Their company's obviously struggling to cover its own mistakes so no doubt they're gonna bulsh*t about the song even now. Honestly all they need to do is never put out a song as sexualised as cookie in a group full of teens. It cant be this hard.
@@bilbo7115 I'm not one to argue on the internet so I'll just say this. Firstly, people who see these words as sexualised are the western community, aka Americans. The 2 people who wrote the songs are not Americans. One is even a Korean woman, the other is Swedish. While I agree that in English translation, the song is weird, that was not the songwriters' intention (as seen in Hybe's statements). They didn't need to release a statement, but they did, because they most likely had honest intentions. There's a thin line between caring about the idols and just spreading hate. I haven't said you're spreading hate. I'm just saying, you can communicate how you feel without feeling the need to be vulgar. If you're so convinced that the song is sexual, then don't listen to the song. But talking bad about people you don't even know personally, you can't read people's minds. And yes the company is made up of people. There are other things to focus on than whether a song by a young kpop group is sexual or not
@@satyratosin Many swedish ppl can speak English rly well. And just cuz one songwriter is a korean woman doesn't mean you can assume she's free from blame. Many kpop songwriters do have some understanding of English. To the public the song is obviously sexual so it's hard to understand that a company as big as hybe didn't have at least 1 person who caught onto the sexual lyrics. It's bcuz they care about their reputation that they released a statement it wasn't a random altruistic act. Its bcuz of justifications like "there are bigger problems than this" and "just don't listen to the song" that results in more minors being sexualised in that industry. Do u think this type of thought process is helping them? So called fans are just giving the okay sign to HYBE that this is okay just cuz they don't want newjeans to get hurt when it's precisely this negligence that has hurt newjeans' reputation and other groups as well. The facts are that by using English lyrics HYBE is trying to target western audiences so why can't western audiences criticise the inappropriate English translations of a song they put out? All media that Is put out into the public domain can be criticised. Even if there was honestly no English speaker who wrote the English translation and therefore couldn't see the sexual meanings how is the company not at fault for that too? At the very least this release showed their negligence.
they did release a video before cookie was released, they said that idea behind the song is that it is a fan song, and the ingredients were the previous song attention, hype boy and hurt and when they put them together in an mini album you would get addicted to they songs and would ruin any other songs for you, it was meant to be symbolized in the video by the cookie that they made (as in the songs) at the start rolling out of frame then at the end rolling back in as the CD of the mini album. That is how they explained it, i do see how it hard not to see the undertones, i do think the song is a little inappropriate for a younger person to be singing. Note i’m am a 16 year old gay male so i don’t think i see this the same way as an adult would, i’m probably more ok with it as i’m not as mature or i don’t fully understand the consequences.
The statement they released was a bad attempt at trying to make it appropriate. But it’s not. These girls are in a bad situation as they are made to sing lyrics not suitable for their ages but also meeting fully adult men at fan signs who are fans of 14 year old girls.
Even if the song was about that (which I highly doubt. A song about fans when they just debuted and don't really have any long term fans? Weird) there was clearly hidden undertones there. This actually makes me even more uncomfortable BECAUSE I'm a teenager. The idea of me being made to sing a song like this makes my skin crawl. Plus, the person who arranged that song for them had already been accused of being a very creepy person (I don't want to word it as anything else, because this is just alleged). The idea of a 14yr old debuting is already quite strange. To be honest, I hate that teenagers that young are able to debut. I think idols minimum age to debut should be 17 or 18. There were also a bunch of middle aged men that attended their fan sign. In Korea(or actually most Asian countries), generally, sexual meanings aren't really talked about. There's few teens in Korea that actually understand hidden meanings like that. The girls themself could have no idea what they're singing about, and just blindly follow the plans for their debut. All this with the debut, to a member of the group being made to wear a shirt that has the word "Pimp". It sucks because the girls are so talented, but I'll be honest, HYBE and girl groups aren't meant to be. Sorry if this is a lot to read, most people probably stopped reading somewhere in the middle, cause I got off topic a lot. I really just want to say, this is NOT a cute baking for fans song. Whether that's what the intention was or not, these lyrics were ORIGINALLY written in English. The CEO is a grown man, and he should know this.
@@baboonkayaya The song is only inappropriate when the the song is translated into english and when viewed by and from a Western and english-speaking perspective. It may have been an oversight but to attribute intent and to call the song "inappropriate" is ridiculous when at the end of the day this is Kpop intended for a mostly Korean public that would not see the song as anything but cute and silly. The world does not revolve around the Western world and not every culture has to bend over backwards to make sure that it fits Western culture and sensibilities. As for the adult men being idol fans, I think you're projecting a bit with your thoughts of malicious intent. People are allowed to support and be fans of people outside of their own age and demographic.
why are u saying them interacting is “gay” likeee???? its not even what theyre doing theyre portraying FRIENDS like being best friends. And theyre teenage girls. youre so weird for that
I think the other weird person here is you. Yes, two people can only be friends, but what does it have to do with them being young? It's funny that you say being gay is a bad thing.
it was a shame of some of the lyrics in cookie i really enjoy the song and the choreo of it i try my best not to think about the lyrics because i do like it, but the others are amazing one of the best debuts in my opinion i love they have took kpop in a different direction im a NewJeans stan already
cookie isn’t about anything sexual, that just how the lyrics sound to english people, in korea cookie for their meaning is referring to their music and you will get hooked on it. not about anything sexual
I’m honestly really glad you saw Cookie the same way I did. I am the mother of a 14 year old girl (who is the entire reason I know what any of this K-pop stuff is) and the thought of her singing about that makes me feel really gross. And she gets it. We have had the conversation about it. I just cannot support that song.
You at 39 mins is exactly how I've felt after discovering them, before I even figured out who was who I just felt so proud of them. Their confidence and stage presence is so admirable, they should feel proud of themselves as well.
I think there are two competing arguments between people who only speak Korean and people who can only speak English. I think you have to be able to speak both to make a judgment. From the comments, I can believe that the Korean lyrics sound innocent, however, like many Korean groups today the goal is to make it internationally so they certainly have English-speaking producers and lyricists. Hybe is a well-funded organization given that there are billionaires owning it. All of the members speak English so I'm pretty sure the goal is to attract an English-speaking audience. It's not just the term 'cookie' meaning something different in English the other parts of the lyrics are problematic too, if they are describing a CD or their music why would they have to say "made it just for you", "But it's not free", "softer than a brownie" ect. I think they made it innocent for the Korean audience but also sexualized the lyrics to attract an international audience or create controversy.
"Goob-da" or "goob-gi" is a word that means a type of cooking method. The word "Goobgi" can be translated in various ways, including baking, roasting, grilling, burning, and so on. In Korea, we used to use the word "baking cookies and CDs." But we rarely use CDs these days. So there might be people who don't know the word "Baking CD" or "Burning CD." Maybe little kids don't know. Like young people don't know floppy disks. "Goobgi" and "Cookie" have similar pronunciations. CD Goobgi=Burning CD, Cookies Goobgi=Baking Cookies This kind of pun is what Koreans like. This is a funny pun, but sadly, it is a pity that only Koreans can understand it. I am Korean and I recently found out that cookies have sexual meaning. It was shocking. In general, cookies are just cookies in Korea. It doesn't mean anything else. Cookie is a word that Koreans like because it has a very cute sound and meaning. I think it has cute sounds like words like cookies, cutie, kitty, sweetie, and puppy. I think there are a lot of people who named their pets Cookie in Korea. I like BTS, too. We call Jungkook "Kookie". Because Jungkook is our cute youngest. The funny thing is that Jungkook's signature animal emoji is a rabbit. Do you know the sexual meaning of rabbits in Korea? When you find out, you'll laugh inside every time someone calls a man a rabbit. Just as Koreans didn't know that cookies had sexual meaning, people in other countries don't know the sexual meaning of rabbits. Don't forget we have a different culture. If Cookie's lyrics are a problem, BTS's lyrics are also a problem. The lyrics of the song they sang at the beginning of their debut also include many double meanings and sexual meanings. But they didn't have a problem. Right? The double meaning can be in any word, so every singer's song can have a problem. Is the lyrics a problem? or is our dirty mind a problem? It may be hard to accept in other countries, but at least in Korea, Cookie's lyrics have a cute meaning. In this song, cookie means CD. The rolling CD is so cute! The meaning of the lyrics is. "If you try the cookies that I made, you won't think of any other food." To interpret it, "If you listen to our songs, you don't want to listen to other songs." I hope the girls who just debuted don't get hurt. I used a translator because I am not good at English. Please understand even if my comment is awkward.
@@Yetti. their label is really relying on Korean general public naivety (not understanding obvious innuendo) and young teens going wild to defend anything inappropriate in order to promote their new favourite girl group, and it’s working. I think your take is very on point. NewJeans are so talented though, I’m just hoping they put out good music and having people looking out for their best interests.
@@RoseAllDayyy The label isn't relying on Korean naivety, they're catering to Korean culture by fitting the English demo to something more relatable to Korean people. The issue is not about "fooling" Korean public, but rather the lack of consideration from the label to prevent potential controversy in the western audience, since the main ones affected by this controversy are international fans.
37:33 - 38:26 i remember someone saying this in a blog post somewhere and now that you say it as well i really agree with it. its clear their trying to make you focus on their features and create a sense of intimacy, but it’s a little uncomfortable to watch just after hearing a song like cookie and knowing min heejin and her questionable interests in young girls
I just wanted to say I love your detailed reactions, you are always balanced, kind and thoughtful! Don’t listen to people who use any reason to hate on someone, your opinions are valid and reasoned!!!
I think the sucker seen was ment to be sapphic in a way they could still claim it either way but there was no other reason for that scene it was chemistry
For cookie the set could have been done differently since according to them others they are refering to the album. They could have done a set where the girls are in a kitchen baking a cookie showing us the process ( like making a song ) and giving it to there crush or someone else as a confession idk ( aka fans ). It would make sense since their mvs so far give teen girls having fun vibes why not do it with this mv.The lyrics would have to be altered here and there. I am already imagining what the mv could have looked like. Decorations for baking that look music notes etc.
Attention. Not my style but I appreciate your comments on the story. Would like to see a live performance. Hype Boy. Meh! Cookie. Vocals good.. Choreo not so much. Agree with your rant.. Hurt. The best.. However, I am not feeling the emotions. I can't help myself but I compare this with 2NE1 'It Hurts" and 'Lonely.' These girls have room to grow.
It's difficult because these girls are so talented and their music is amazing, but I feel so weird supporting them because of the obvious sexual intent behind their concept in cookie especially. I'm nearly 10 years older than the youngest member and I am so concerned for these young girls. This isn't their fault and they should not be put in this situation.
The song cookie definitely is inappropriate in its English translation and I was scandalised when I heard it. Apparently the English translation isn’t true to the original Korean meaning. Apparently there is an explanation as to what is meant. With that said the song isn’t my cup of tea. However, this debut is solid gold. Girls are talented, charismatic and the songs in general are really good and well produced.
so glad you addressed the cookie lyrics. they have amazing music but I feel sick if I try to listen to it knowing their background... and the fans seriously aren't helping
I'm a grown adult male and I have serious issues with the lyric content of Cookie. I hadn't even picked up on the visual things that you did. This is as suggestive as BP's Ice Cream. The big difference is that they were all in their mid 20's when they did it.
There was more imagery and word play in ice cream with a bright visual also. This is completely different. BP was also suggesting what they would do whilst theses girls are inviting things to be done to them in the lyrics. It's very different and agreed not okay
@@Yetti. i heard some things about it tho it wasn't meant to be like that they were talking about their cd when they said cookie the tracks are the ingredients and they made it for us ik the eng lyrics do sound like that but i heard korean ppl find it funny bc its related to kids rhyme or something i'm sorry if i am forgetting something or if i am wrong thats just what i read here and there
I have been obsessed with them and I think everything is perfection except for the lyrics of Cookie. I literally automatically skip that song when its on... I don't even hate the song but it makes me feel so weird
At first I thought Cookie lyrics were weird but I thought mmm maybe they're talking about their love idk THEN i saw the video...and you know is obvious the kind of connotation and I mean, there's a 14 YEARS OLD IN THE GROUP
*cookie comes on* brain turns off. Cant actively listen to it, gotta be busy or else I'll actually listen to what theyre saying, unbelievably catchy and inappropriate for their age. Even tho its supposed to be a metaphor of a CD/album, the MV doesn't really elude to how it could be and instead extends more so to the innuendo. Like theres maybe a few seconds where a CD turns into a cookie, but thats not nearly enough. I completely agree with everything you said both in video and comments. Its a shame ppl get aggressively defensive
Yeah Cookie bothers me. I won't listen to it because it's just uncomfy. I've seen native Korean speakers saying it's a play on how it's a thing in Korean culture to use the phrase "baking a cd" where we would say "burning a cd", so they're saying they've baked us an addictive cd... But I've also seen multiple native Korean speakers saying no, it is in fact super inappropriate and weird, and some of the words they were using are sketchy af. Even if the girls think they've made an innocent song, it's very clear what double meaning this gives, and they still gave it to babies to sing. Just no.
in the hype boy mv, three of them had a romantic interest (or what seems to be) in girls, one of them fell in love in a dance video of a random person then she also falls in love with that person and in the end she finds out that it was a girl, but even so she was happy and in love. In the other mv, two of them (the members) are together at the end, we just don't know if it's as a couple or friends, but something happened.
Cookie is about burning CDs. Baking Cookies is supposed to be “burning CDs” because that’s what it means in Korean, like they use it that way. The whole thing is about how they’re making something amazing for fans and non fans and it will get them addicted. Most other language translations do not have any suggestive lyrics, it’s really only the English one. The translator either did that on purpose to make it sexual or it was done on purpose by the company in a bad attempt to bring attention to them. Yes, the English lyrics could’ve been written a lot better but I think it’s important to consider that the entirety of Korea thought the song was cute and innocent and in no way sexually suggestive. It was a bad mistake on their part but literally no other people are complaining about this because it’s not what it’s meant to be lol. I feel like there would be no way they would push cookie so much in your face in that way especially because they’re young, even older groups sing about it in a much more tame way. Plus, cookie being slang for 🐱 is only an American thing. Yes it was wrong, but we can’t be unfair and shit on everything and give hate to the girls with lots of people are doing (not this video tho).
no trust me i was talking w someone who is literally fluent in korean and they assured me it was rlyyy weird also the lyrics are not the only suggestive thing ab this song/video
@@sofiabondurant6575 I talked to people fluent in Korean too 😭😭 and people who were fluent in other languages and used other captions. Is the person you talked to is familiar with American culture and the English language? Because it’s prob weird for them if they are. Idk, I’ve also seen lots of netizen comments on Korean websites and they seem to think it’s fine 🤷🏻♀️
I think your comments that there are so many gay moments with the members are your own bias. I just saw them expressing a strong bond with each other. Especially in Asia, female friends often express their closeness and support by chaining arms or holding hands while walking down the street. Even for men, a guy puts his arm on another guy's shoulder in a type of bond. In the West, it is perceived as gay, which my friends got bullied on when they first moved to America and weren't aware of the culture. Not everything has to be viewed through a sexual lens.
i do think it was a marketing thing ! hybe also did it for lesserafilm in the mv for fearless with the sexual dance floor move and they knew it would create an issue to talk about when they weren't even going to perform that choreo so it made no sense to put that in the mv when one or two were like minors ?
In hype boy, the things that you feel like a gay thing, isnt a gay thing at all in korea. To the western point of view it might look like that. Korean young girls do hold hands between friends..
the thing I hate most about cookie, is how much I love cookie. Like, the first time I heard it I was determined to hate it because of the message but I really couldn't and it's just too good of a song. It would've been so much easier if it was a trash song
Your reaction to Cookie is normal and expected and SHOULD be the reaction people have! They're children singing about explicit lyrics and suggestive themes. It is disgusting and you should not have to defend yourself or regret any of your comments! It's all a shame but you're in the right!!!!
I don't have an issue with NewJeans the girls... I have an issue with them Debuting SO YOUNG, just 14 to just turned 18. Obviously nothing to to with them. In this M/V for example, they are not at a concert(which would be pushing it for a 14 yr old, no adult supervision) but in a CLUB type place. HYBE is pushing a MATURE theme in the lyrics, clothing, dance and promotion. These girls are VERY talented... But I'm not confident that HYBE will handle them correctly. They are Children, not just a way to make money.
HELP😭 Hybe doesn't even "handle" them. Ador it's an independent company, Hybe just puts the money for their work but they have no say in anything that Ador does. NewJeans is 100% managed by Ador.
The whole "no you don't understand, cookie in korean is slang for CD" explanation is so funny. Even trying to pretend like this song is about their music and they're talking to their fans is such a stretch, more than half of the lyrics don't make any sense in that context. If something looks like a cat, moves like a cat, and meows like a cat, then it's probably a cat and not a dog. And if it's a dog then the owner sure as hell is aware that his dog looks like a cat.
the hand holding part wasn't even bad what are you saying 😭also in the hypeboy MV'S, one of the hypeboys is a girl. I don't understand why you kept commenting on the looks and handholding like you literally just talking to talk😭
I don't like for you to misunderstand what cookie means in that vid. in Korea we say that "baked a CD". it means make a CD. that song never means any sexual code. don't judge the Kpop lyrics as western mind only. cookie means CD for fans in that song. Kpop has the only Kpop universe and thinking. we call this Kpop things.
I get that, as a foreigner I have no right to say what something means in your countries context, but when there are english writers in the writing process who wrote suggestive(english) lyrics in their language knowing fully well what they meant and that this song was going to be sung by minors, that just doesn't feel right
This song was originally written in English and then translated to Korean though. Also some English lyrics, such as "Looking at my cookie" are also suggestive.
@@spacesweeper4968 No it was originally written in English by two people. A person named Gigi and someone named Ylva who both speak English. What was written in English by the two of them is known as a Demo which was then translated by the company into Korean lyrics. It's literally on their wikipedia page for it listed in the album credits. You have the wrong info.
@@RogueRhiRhi ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ noooo!! lol 😆 🤣 😂 gigi is the very CEO of ADOR under HYBE Min Hee-Jin 😆 🤣 😂 do you know her? 😆 🤣 😂 she's a Korean. and me too. you make me laugh out crazily 😆 🤣 😂 first she wrote it in Korean/English at the same time. you're wrong 😂 😆 😂
Cookie, for me, made me really uncomfortable. I couldn't really get through the whole music video without turning off captions. Sure, it could be a few mistranslations, but there's more then just that. There's also a few English lyrics in there, which are also clearly suggestive. I would love this song despite the lyrics if there weren't minors in the group. The maknae is 14(I already don't like that a member is 14 but that's my own personal opinion), but despite my opinion on the maknae being 14, this is obviously a suggestive song. The song wasn't even written specifically for new jeans, it was just a song they had laying around.
i love every song they released but my problem is that two of the girls are minors in korea and internationally and they’re having them sing such a suggestive song like cookie. it may seem innocent to other people but cookie has a different meaning in some cultures so the writing makes it seem like she’s singing about something she SHOULD NOT BE SINGING ABOUT AT HER AGE! if they were all legal that’s one thing but the lyrics threw me off since they have children in their group still. they could have and should’ve kept cookie in the vault until they were all of age to sing this kind of song.
Bake in Korean is 'ppang gubgi'. Burning CD in Korean is 'gubgi CD'. Both use similar sound of 'cookie'. Cookie in asian culture simply means baked dough. It is no fault of Koreans that it carries sexual undertone in the western culture. Just like Korean 'nae-ga' means I. It is no fault of Koreans that it sounds like the 'N' word used in the western culture as slur against black people. People bashing NewJeans are either ignorant or opportunists wanting to eliminate them from competition against other rookies. People should stop blemishing an innocent song & stop looking through coloured lens at other cultures.
People (elder) tend to forget what they were like in teens, and NewJeans were just bringing it up with all their songs, even Cookie. Adults can feel uneasy all they want but I think most teens'd luv da songs.
The worst part is that they marketed cookie as a song 'for the fans' disgusting. Every adult in that room knew what they were doing and you're a fool to believe thier innocent act
for me they f with cookie but the other songs are fire i was hesitant to listen to new jeans because of cookie but the other songs just got in my head without my consent
Yeah however the lyrics and song got passed down through multiple people and hybe still let these young girls sing this song is terrible. The song and the beat and everything are really good, but it’s just too suggestive with the way the word “cookie” is interpreted. And i feel bad for these girls for this exact reason.
I don’t know why people have problem with the lyrics of cookie. I mean it’s art! The interpretation depends on you, the audience. If you interpreted it as a sexual thing, then you got dirty mind. YOU GOT DIRTY MIND! And that’s YOUR problem. I don’t sexualize the girls. I’m just being objective. I Don’t even try to sexualize the lyrics. What’s wrong with people’s mind nowadays? Everything gotta be sexual???
I love cookie. I could listen to it as long as I don't see New Jeans because then it's relating to them and it's not okay at all. I hate the song for that reason which is why I don't watch the MV. If red velvet got the song, it's fine, it's whatever but New Jeans? Even right at debut. It makes Hybe look bad and a bad start for New Jeans though they are very striking and talented.
"Intense gaze"? Okay, so maybe i'm blind, but I only see a 18 y/o and a 16 y/o friends chatting and holding hands... I'm sure you didn't mean it in a bad way, its just...weird. And if you so aware of their ages, and pissed about Cookie (you have every right to), then you shouldnt say stuff like this either. I hope nobody would take this as an offense, I just wanted to share my thoughts.
Some of these comments are making me wish I never reacted to New Jeans
I spent 40 mins praising the girls and the talents, the melodies as catchy and fresh and the dances as interesting. I like them a lot and made that clear.
I had an issue with cookie and not because I am generally against young idols or suggestive lyrics as I explained.
I didnt say people are wrong for seeing it differentiy so i would appreciate that same respect.
SO NO I am not homophobic closed-minded, jumped to conclusions, rude, hypocritical. I will not be fake so people like it better. I never laid insult at the girls, I simply reviewed the elements I was presented with
I explained in detail that the visuals, members expressions, some suggestive dance moves and definitely lyrics - both those in English and those translated in English make me uncomfortable. It's possible there is a double entendre in the meaning but any analysis should still accept the element of romance/sexual invitation and innuendo. They centred the lyrics on a boy. If its just about their music being a cookie the subject would never be identified. Also the cookie is referred to as being owned by them, e.g my making it clear its an exchange involving two people. Its something the girl can give not something owned by the group as a whole.
The chorus uses 3 well known double entredes side by side, hungry, thirsty, dessert together the message is clear.
The innuendos throughout the song are very clear.
The lyrics are composed in English by western writers so English was original. If the Korean translations were cuter that's fine, I only respond to what I saw and heard.
I'm bored of going through my interpretations because of defensive fans. Critique doesn't negate any value in them. It's how we should approach art!
If you want to share your different interpretations of the elements let's go for it. If you wish to abuse and insult me your message with be deleted and you will be removed from the channel.
People blindly defending the song is the problem. i feel like if people wanted to actually support the group they'd actually consider and take note of the criticisms and controversy around the lyrics and the CEO. Whether or not fans want to claim it was intentional or not, the company should've known better. Even Koreans found issues within the lyrics so you're definitely valid. Anyways I loved the reaction, I had the same exact reaction to cookie so I was laughing seeing someone else go through it as well.
The Korean public doesn't have an issue with cookies Go and look at what they say about the video and song. I don't have an issue with the song or vid all I see is very talented girls who will only get better over the years. How many young rappers male and female come out a young age and say a hell of a lot more than cookie that makes most people head go right to the gutter....lol But I love that you give your honest opinion on anything. Keep being you,😊😊
@@MatserZelgadis there are many koreans who find the lyrics weird and odd too there are even videos of it. A few translated comments does not mean nobody finds an issue with it 💀 and just because younger people have sung worse doesn't make it okay??
I disagree with the dance moves I’m a 16 year old my self and I dance. Their dance is nowhere near sexual the dance is actually really fun and cool. If you want an example as an sexual dance then you can watch lip and hip by hyuna.
@@zeyucutie_ Agreed !
I think you’ll be pleased to know that some members already took part in the writing process for « hype boy » and « attention », i mean it’s their debut and they’re already involved ? It’s so rare, for a girl group especially, I’m actually really proud 😊
may i ask who
@@1chanskie hanni (hype boy) and danielle (attention)!
That's really cool. It will be good to see their growth.
In Korea, hand holding between girls is normal and a sign of good friendship, also I think it’ll make more sense if you watch the Hype Boy music vids :)
Hand holding between girls is normal in a lot of places so it threw off when she said that they seemed like a couple lol
@@daniela.R2549 haerin and minji do have a lot of chemistry tho lol
@@daniela.R2549i think she was trying very hard to find s3xualized moments in each video. She started doing it from the first video. I think she came in already extremely biased and was just looking for proofs
For your comments on the "gazing" during the beginning Hype Boy: they were just pretending to talk on stage, as if they were on campus. I don't think there was an ulterior motive or whatever
The two girls at the beginning who seem to be a romantic couple would make a little more sense if you watched the music videos for Hype Boy. They did four versions with different storylines. Three of them were individual members and the fourth one was those two members.
i think you’re referring to haerin and danielle having an mv together. however, on stage it was haerin and minji looking at each other.
i get what you’re saying though, it probably does tie in to the storyline
Lol that wasn't even them help
Actually Danielle, the one you thought was 14 is actually 17. Hyein is the 14 yr old She had bangs and was wearing a black vest/long pants in the Cookie MV
Couldn't hold my laugh on your reaction on "cookies" .. didn't even know there was a different meaning to it!! Gosh! I felt the same , it's annoying that knowing the lyrics still love the song n the melody 🤣 they are indeed great vocal at such age!
tbh, i liked cookie's instrumental, vocals, and dance... its really the lyrics that really threw me off. I mean, they could've connected a cookie to other aspect/s, such as a heart. Like, a cookie is sweet and soft but fragile, they could connect it to a girl's personality like that. That even though their heart's like a cookie, it shouldn't be broken. HYBE! PLS BE BETTER AT MAKING CONCEPTS AND NOT LETTING THESE PRECIOUS GIRLS SING SMTHNG ABT A SEXUAL INTERACTION. btw, i'm 16, but, listening to adults like you, makes my opinion more solid. But again, overall, they are a great rookie group and i am already a NewJeans stan < 3
Agreed the songs themselves are really good, they didn't need this
At first listen for Cookie I was like uuuummmmmmm nnnnnnnoooooo because well we know Internationally what Cookie references but upon rewatching it I started to wonder if they were referring to their music..................man I like the song but the lyrics and so much more make me hella comfy ngl.
@@tiffanykim2773 yea same the cookie is talking about their music their cd since that’s what cookie means in Korean and that’s why their cd randomly popped up in the video as well
@@tiffanykim2773 its a really unfortunate situation. i feel like they were blindsided by the Korean meaning for cookies that they fully overlooked the innuendos. the song was written by an English speaker so they probably wrote it that way and the people working for newjeans probably overlooked it because they were too focused on the cookie meaning CD thing and not knowing the slang. some people say they did it intentionally but i really cant imagine why they would willingly put a ton of controversy on themselves. Tbf even as an English speaker from the UK i didn't know cookie meant that until this thing blew up cause no one uses it here in that context and the first time i heard the song it fully didn't click for me either. I hope in the future they are extra carefull of stuff like this and make sure its age appropriate.
The song cookie was written by a Swedish woman and Korea woman.
I might be wrong, I don’t know much about the group, but I heard that their creator and CEO use to be a Creative Director in SM Ent, and was actually in charge of SNSDs debut concept. The fact that you mentioned the lack of individuality and the emphasis in unity is interesting, since I remember you mentioning the same about SNSD during their debut era. So I guess it makes sense they are taking some of SNSDs debut formula with a modern twist. I’m liking it!
Funnily enough I think the youngest (who was born in 2008 😭) looks like one of the oldest. She’s the one you pointed out that looks like she’s been in the game for long (I believe she sings first in cookie). Hanni looks very young to me. But they all look super young and under 18.
Koreans have said that the Korean lyrics to Cookie are very innocent but there’s no denying that the translation is creepy af. You could blame it on poor translation but even the lines originally written in English are highly suggestive.
The most disgusting thing about Cookie to me is that Danielle (the one you think is the youngest) and Hanni are both Australian and speak English. They’re probably aware of the suggestive nature of the lyrics and I hope they don’t feel too uncomfortable performing the song.
I agree that hybe is making them very similar. I still can’t tell the difference between Hyein and Haerin and it doesn’t help that their names are very similar.
Hyein is in fact in the industry for a while now, so i think its fine saying that she does look like a pro
I wish you can watch the mvs for hype boy next time 🥺 the whole concept of these mvs is brilliant I think ☺️ ( plus, you would probably enjoy the song more with a bit of context)
Ps: I agree for cookie, this is such a shame 😕
Hype Boy mvs had many versions for a reason. Will definitely help you get to know the members faces better
Hahahaha your reaction to cookie was PRECISELY how I reacted. Like it’s so well produced and performed, but it just feels creepy to listen to knowing how young they are lol. Even being charitable and assuming they aren’t trying to make that many double entendres it’s pretty dang obvious…
Hope you watch all the members versions of Hype Boy! It’s a bop🥳
What I have figured out rn is that Minji is the oldest and the Leader .(18) and then there is Hanni who is probably a main dancer (18). and then Danelle is 17 idk her position but she is just the cutest and could easily be a Visual. Haerin is 16 I’m pretty sure and she gets quite a bit of lines so she is probably a vocalist, all of them are , but-. And then the Maknae is Hyein who is only 14 but she is the tallest, and she looks and acts a lot more mature.
Hello! In NJs there are NO set positions and NO leaders. The girls have confirmed this on a radio show.
New jeans member said they don't have official postion in the group.
I just saw the credits for Cookie. It was written by a Swedish Producer so the English Lyrics are probably not direct translations of the Korean lyrics. So there wasn’t any mistranslations Hybe/Ador must have used the original English demo lyrics on the CCs
Unless the lyrics were added separately by the Koreans? Either way the video message is clear. They aren't baking 😅
since the writer was Swedish for me that means they probably were not aware of slang in the US for cookie, honestly I'm from Europe too and I had no idea why ppl had problem with a word "cookie" so their explanation for the song made sense; I found other lyrics more problematic so I was so confused at first why fans were talking about the cookie sm
@@anetasz7759 even if that is true It says something about the lyrics if you still saw other lyrics as problematic even though you didn’t understand why ppl were upset about cookie.
The Korean lyrics translated into English seem about the same to me?
@@anetasz7759 It's a slang all over the west.
Your reaction to Cookie is sending me lmaoooooo
It sent me 😅
as metaphorical cookie is representing on a song, the girls did actually explained what they interpreted from the lyrics and said that cookie was meant to convey that they made something sweet like a cookie to their fans, it could be that this meant that it's their music. think of it like if our mind was a blank canvas and we were just to put meaning to things in our minds, if one wasn't malicious enough or green minded in their heads, they wouldn't think cookie was literally meant other things but just about someone making a cookie. it's all about one's perception and interpretation that makes cookie naughty. yes they are young and having mature audience with dirty perception is none of their problem, it's almost equivalent to saying that it is okay for men to tell girls what to wear.
The new group I would stan.
Attention will soon hit its 100th Real time All kill in all music platform in Korea. Pls react to hypeboy mvs, it's currently on a roll behind Attention in charts.
I love your honesty that's why I watch your reactions, I completely agree with you in terms of the song cookie. The message is clear but some fans are defending it blindly and that's the biggest problem. I think we should let hybe know that this is not okay and buying the album, streaming the song will only encourage them to do more and go further than this. After the rumours I checked attention and hype boy and everything was cool I loved the songs the members are so talented the outfits are suitable but after listening to cookie I realized why there was a controversy. I can't help but think what will come next, hybe is doing this much when they're still minors, what kind of content will it make when they're adults ???
They released a long statement regarding the song. A very long statement. Don't know if you seen or read it
@@satyratosin Their company's obviously struggling to cover its own mistakes so no doubt they're gonna bulsh*t about the song even now. Honestly all they need to do is never put out a song as sexualised as cookie in a group full of teens. It cant be this hard.
@@bilbo7115 I'm not one to argue on the internet so I'll just say this.
Firstly, people who see these words as sexualised are the western community, aka Americans. The 2 people who wrote the songs are not Americans. One is even a Korean woman, the other is Swedish. While I agree that in English translation, the song is weird, that was not the songwriters' intention (as seen in Hybe's statements). They didn't need to release a statement, but they did, because they most likely had honest intentions.
There's a thin line between caring about the idols and just spreading hate. I haven't said you're spreading hate. I'm just saying, you can communicate how you feel without feeling the need to be vulgar. If you're so convinced that the song is sexual, then don't listen to the song. But talking bad about people you don't even know personally, you can't read people's minds. And yes the company is made up of people.
There are other things to focus on than whether a song by a young kpop group is sexual or not
@@satyratosin Many swedish ppl can speak English rly well. And just cuz one songwriter is a korean woman doesn't mean you can assume she's free from blame. Many kpop songwriters do have some understanding of English. To the public the song is obviously sexual so it's hard to understand that a company as big as hybe didn't have at least 1 person who caught onto the sexual lyrics. It's bcuz they care about their reputation that they released a statement it wasn't a random altruistic act.
Its bcuz of justifications like "there are bigger problems than this" and "just don't listen to the song" that results in more minors being sexualised in that industry. Do u think this type of thought process is helping them? So called fans are just giving the okay sign to HYBE that this is okay just cuz they don't want newjeans to get hurt when it's precisely this negligence that has hurt newjeans' reputation and other groups as well.
The facts are that by using English lyrics HYBE is trying to target western audiences so why can't western audiences criticise the inappropriate English translations of a song they put out? All media that Is put out into the public domain can be criticised. Even if there was honestly no English speaker who wrote the English translation and therefore couldn't see the sexual meanings how is the company not at fault for that too? At the very least this release showed their negligence.
@@bilbo7115 Alright. If you say so
13:27 this is just how haerin looks at minji HAHAHAH she has an habit of staring at minji LOL
they did release a video before cookie was released, they said that idea behind the song is that it is a fan song, and the ingredients were the previous song attention, hype boy and hurt and when they put them together in an mini album you would get addicted to they songs and would ruin any other songs for you, it was meant to be symbolized in the video by the cookie that they made (as in the songs) at the start rolling out of frame then at the end rolling back in as the CD of the mini album. That is how they explained it, i do see how it hard not to see the undertones, i do think the song is a little inappropriate for a younger person to be singing. Note i’m am a 16 year old gay male so i don’t think i see this the same way as an adult would, i’m probably more ok with it as i’m not as mature or i don’t fully understand the consequences.
The statement they released was a bad attempt at trying to make it appropriate. But it’s not. These girls are in a bad situation as they are made to sing lyrics not suitable for their ages but also meeting fully adult men at fan signs who are fans of 14 year old girls.
@@baboonkayaya in that place there was only two man and others all girls. so not big problem and same mean baked cookie=baked CD in korea
Even if the song was about that (which I highly doubt. A song about fans when they just debuted and don't really have any long term fans? Weird) there was clearly hidden undertones there. This actually makes me even more uncomfortable BECAUSE I'm a teenager. The idea of me being made to sing a song like this makes my skin crawl. Plus, the person who arranged that song for them had already been accused of being a very creepy person (I don't want to word it as anything else, because this is just alleged).
The idea of a 14yr old debuting is already quite strange. To be honest, I hate that teenagers that young are able to debut. I think idols minimum age to debut should be 17 or 18. There were also a bunch of middle aged men that attended their fan sign. In Korea(or actually most Asian countries), generally, sexual meanings aren't really talked about. There's few teens in Korea that actually understand hidden meanings like that. The girls themself could have no idea what they're singing about, and just blindly follow the plans for their debut.
All this with the debut, to a member of the group being made to wear a shirt that has the word "Pimp". It sucks because the girls are so talented, but I'll be honest, HYBE and girl groups aren't meant to be.
Sorry if this is a lot to read, most people probably stopped reading somewhere in the middle, cause I got off topic a lot. I really just want to say, this is NOT a cute baking for fans song. Whether that's what the intention was or not, these lyrics were ORIGINALLY written in English. The CEO is a grown man, and he should know this.
@@nannatan2476 to add up in the past there were many cases where the youngest member was 15 to 17
@@baboonkayaya The song is only inappropriate when the the song is translated into english and when viewed by and from a Western and english-speaking perspective. It may have been an oversight but to attribute intent and to call the song "inappropriate" is ridiculous when at the end of the day this is Kpop intended for a mostly Korean public that would not see the song as anything but cute and silly.
The world does not revolve around the Western world and not every culture has to bend over backwards to make sure that it fits Western culture and sensibilities.
As for the adult men being idol fans, I think you're projecting a bit with your thoughts of malicious intent. People are allowed to support and be fans of people outside of their own age and demographic.
why are u saying them interacting is “gay” likeee???? its not even what theyre doing theyre portraying FRIENDS like being best friends. And theyre teenage girls. youre so weird for that
I think the other weird person here is you. Yes, two people can only be friends, but what does it have to do with them being young? It's funny that you say being gay is a bad thing.
it was a shame of some of the lyrics in cookie i really enjoy the song and the choreo of it i try my best not to think about the lyrics because i do like it, but the others are amazing one of the best debuts in my opinion i love they have took kpop in a different direction im a NewJeans stan already
Why? There's nothing sexual about it
i personally don't see a problem either but some people don't like the fact the lyrics are kind of innuendos
cookie isn’t about anything sexual, that just how the lyrics sound to english people, in korea cookie for their meaning is referring to their music and you will get hooked on it. not about anything sexual
I’m honestly really glad you saw Cookie the same way I did. I am the mother of a 14 year old girl (who is the entire reason I know what any of this K-pop stuff is) and the thought of her singing about that makes me feel really gross. And she gets it. We have had the conversation about it. I just cannot support that song.
You at 39 mins is exactly how I've felt after discovering them, before I even figured out who was who I just felt so proud of them. Their confidence and stage presence is so admirable, they should feel proud of themselves as well.
I think there are two competing arguments between people who only speak Korean and people who can only speak English. I think you have to be able to speak both to make a judgment. From the comments, I can believe that the Korean lyrics sound innocent, however, like many Korean groups today the goal is to make it internationally so they certainly have English-speaking producers and lyricists. Hybe is a well-funded organization given that there are billionaires owning it. All of the members speak English so I'm pretty sure the goal is to attract an English-speaking audience. It's not just the term 'cookie' meaning something different in English the other parts of the lyrics are problematic too, if they are describing a CD or their music why would they have to say "made it just for you", "But it's not free", "softer than a brownie" ect. I think they made it innocent for the Korean audience but also sexualized the lyrics to attract an international audience or create controversy.
"Goob-da" or "goob-gi" is a word that means a type of cooking method.
The word "Goobgi" can be translated in various ways, including baking, roasting, grilling, burning, and so on.
In Korea, we used to use the word "baking cookies and CDs."
But we rarely use CDs these days.
So there might be people who don't know the word "Baking CD" or "Burning CD."
Maybe little kids don't know. Like young people don't know floppy disks.
"Goobgi" and "Cookie" have similar pronunciations.
CD Goobgi=Burning CD, Cookies Goobgi=Baking Cookies
This kind of pun is what Koreans like.
This is a funny pun, but sadly, it is a pity that only Koreans can understand it.
I am Korean and I recently found out that cookies have sexual meaning. It was shocking.
In general, cookies are just cookies in Korea. It doesn't mean anything else.
Cookie is a word that Koreans like because it has a very cute sound and meaning.
I think it has cute sounds like words like cookies, cutie, kitty, sweetie, and puppy.
I think there are a lot of people who named their pets Cookie in Korea.
I like BTS, too.
We call Jungkook "Kookie". Because Jungkook is our cute youngest.
The funny thing is that Jungkook's signature animal emoji is a rabbit.
Do you know the sexual meaning of rabbits in Korea?
When you find out, you'll laugh inside every time someone calls a man a rabbit.
Just as Koreans didn't know that cookies had sexual meaning, people in other countries don't know the sexual meaning of rabbits.
Don't forget we have a different culture.
If Cookie's lyrics are a problem, BTS's lyrics are also a problem.
The lyrics of the song they sang at the beginning of their debut also include many double meanings and sexual meanings.
But they didn't have a problem. Right?
The double meaning can be in any word, so every singer's song can have a problem.
Is the lyrics a problem? or is our dirty mind a problem?
It may be hard to accept in other countries, but at least in Korea, Cookie's lyrics have a cute meaning.
In this song, cookie means CD. The rolling CD is so cute!
The meaning of the lyrics is.
"If you try the cookies that I made, you won't think of any other food."
To interpret it,
"If you listen to our songs, you don't want to listen to other songs."
I hope the girls who just debuted don't get hurt.
I used a translator because I am not good at English. Please understand even if my comment is awkward.
thank you sooo much for your comment and explanations! 😀😊
@@Yetti. their label is really relying on Korean general public naivety (not understanding obvious innuendo) and young teens going wild to defend anything inappropriate in order to promote their new favourite girl group, and it’s working. I think your take is very on point. NewJeans are so talented though, I’m just hoping they put out good music and having people looking out for their best interests.
Why are u dragging bts into this???? Just talk about the group in the video
@@RoseAllDayyy The label isn't relying on Korean naivety, they're catering to Korean culture by fitting the English demo to something more relatable to Korean people. The issue is not about "fooling" Korean public, but rather the lack of consideration from the label to prevent potential controversy in the western audience, since the main ones affected by this controversy are international fans.
Thank you for educating westerners
"This is the UK" Well, that was Barcelona.
FINALLY i remember commenting this on your last video thanksss so much also please check out xg too lovee youuuu and your reactions x
The reason u felt hard to memorize their faces is probably bc you didn't watch their hype boy mvs, I thought you would react to it 😭
have you reacted to STAYC??? I need to see this
37:33 - 38:26 i remember someone saying this in a blog post somewhere and now that you say it as well i really agree with it. its clear their trying to make you focus on their features and create a sense of intimacy, but it’s a little uncomfortable to watch just after hearing a song like cookie and knowing min heejin and her questionable interests in young girls
I just wanted to say I love your detailed reactions, you are always balanced, kind and thoughtful! Don’t listen to people who use any reason to hate on someone, your opinions are valid and reasoned!!!
YESSS NEWJEANS, i recently added them to my long list to girl groups to stan!!! can you react to kep1er too 🥹
Mnnnnn, I don't get people making an issue with your comments on cookie. Especially knowing the pretty viral scandals around Min Heejin...
The holding hands thing is just korean culture... the girls tend to do that there... so not about ship or romantic... correct me if i'm wrong😊
I think the sucker seen was ment to be sapphic in a way they could still claim it either way but there was no other reason for that scene it was chemistry
For cookie the set could have been done differently since according to them others they are refering to the album. They could have done a set where the girls are in a kitchen baking a cookie showing us the process ( like making a song ) and giving it to there crush or someone else as a confession idk ( aka fans ). It would make sense since their mvs so far give teen girls having fun vibes why not do it with this mv.The lyrics would have to be altered here and there. I am already imagining what the mv could have looked like. Decorations for baking that look music notes etc.
Attention. Not my style but I appreciate your comments on the story. Would like to see a live performance. Hype Boy. Meh! Cookie. Vocals good.. Choreo not so much. Agree with your rant.. Hurt. The best.. However, I am not feeling the emotions. I can't help myself but I compare this with 2NE1 'It Hurts" and 'Lonely.' These girls have room to grow.
It's difficult because these girls are so talented and their music is amazing, but I feel so weird supporting them because of the obvious sexual intent behind their concept in cookie especially. I'm nearly 10 years older than the youngest member and I am so concerned for these young girls. This isn't their fault and they should not be put in this situation.
The song cookie definitely is inappropriate in its English translation and I was scandalised when I heard it. Apparently the English translation isn’t true to the original Korean meaning. Apparently there is an explanation as to what is meant. With that said the song isn’t my cup of tea. However, this debut is solid gold. Girls are talented, charismatic and the songs in general are really good and well produced.
The videos are filmed in Barcelona actually!
so glad you addressed the cookie lyrics. they have amazing music but I feel sick if I try to listen to it knowing their background... and the fans seriously aren't helping
the fact that the girls didn't write cookie but two english speaking adult men wrote it ..
Danielle isn’t actually the 14 yr old surprisingly lol it’s another member called hyein 37:15
I'm a grown adult male and I have serious issues with the lyric content of Cookie. I hadn't even picked up on the visual things that you did. This is as suggestive as BP's Ice Cream. The big difference is that they were all in their mid 20's when they did it.
There was more imagery and word play in ice cream with a bright visual also. This is completely different. BP was also suggesting what they would do whilst theses girls are inviting things to be done to them in the lyrics. It's very different and agreed not okay
@@Yetti. i heard some things about it tho it wasn't meant to be like that they were talking about their cd when they said cookie the tracks are the ingredients and they made it for us ik the eng lyrics do sound like that but i heard korean ppl find it funny bc its related to kids rhyme or something i'm sorry if i am forgetting something or if i am wrong thats just what i read here and there
@@sakshh the song was written by European Americans and later translated to Korean...they know what they were talking abt
@@r_a_y_ oh okay then it's weird lol too bad i like it so much
@@r_a_y_ wasn’t the lyrics written by an Swedish and a Korean person? I don’t think there where Americans involved?
The beginning of the hype boy stage isn't shipping. One of the girls was just really nervous so she was looking at the other one.
I have been obsessed with them and I think everything is perfection except for the lyrics of Cookie. I literally automatically skip that song when its on... I don't even hate the song but it makes me feel so weird
Yea they’re young. The youngest was born 2008.
i do think it’s ain’t unfair to put english euphemisms on korean lyrics and culture
At first I thought Cookie lyrics were weird but I thought mmm maybe they're talking about their love idk THEN i saw the video...and you know is obvious the kind of connotation and I mean, there's a 14 YEARS OLD IN THE GROUP
LOVE your reaction
Hurt is kinda ballad but more of r&b chill imo
Danielle isn't the 14 year old Hyein is. Minji and Hanni are the oldest than Danielle than Haerin and Hyein.
PLEAS REACT TO STAYC, THEY ARE SUPER TALENTED
*cookie comes on* brain turns off. Cant actively listen to it, gotta be busy or else I'll actually listen to what theyre saying, unbelievably catchy and inappropriate for their age. Even tho its supposed to be a metaphor of a CD/album, the MV doesn't really elude to how it could be and instead extends more so to the innuendo. Like theres maybe a few seconds where a CD turns into a cookie, but thats not nearly enough. I completely agree with everything you said both in video and comments. Its a shame ppl get aggressively defensive
The one you tought is the youngest is actually in the middle (her name is Danielle, she's 17)
you should watch the hype boys mvs, there are 4 of them, then you'll undeestand the gaze in that performance!!
Yeah Cookie bothers me. I won't listen to it because it's just uncomfy. I've seen native Korean speakers saying it's a play on how it's a thing in Korean culture to use the phrase "baking a cd" where we would say "burning a cd", so they're saying they've baked us an addictive cd... But I've also seen multiple native Korean speakers saying no, it is in fact super inappropriate and weird, and some of the words they were using are sketchy af. Even if the girls think they've made an innocent song, it's very clear what double meaning this gives, and they still gave it to babies to sing. Just no.
Ooh please react to the hype boy each girl version!
in the hype boy mv, three of them had a romantic interest (or what seems to be) in girls, one of them fell in love in a dance video of a random person then she also falls in love with that person and in the end she finds out that it was a girl, but even so she was happy and in love. In the other mv, two of them (the members) are together at the end, we just don't know if it's as a couple or friends, but something happened.
I'm kinda sad you made a 40 min video and did't react to the versions of hype boy 🥲
I didn't know
Cookie is about burning CDs. Baking Cookies is supposed to be “burning CDs” because that’s what it means in Korean, like they use it that way. The whole thing is about how they’re making something amazing for fans and non fans and it will get them addicted. Most other language translations do not have any suggestive lyrics, it’s really only the English one. The translator either did that on purpose to make it sexual or it was done on purpose by the company in a bad attempt to bring attention to them. Yes, the English lyrics could’ve been written a lot better but I think it’s important to consider that the entirety of Korea thought the song was cute and innocent and in no way sexually suggestive. It was a bad mistake on their part but literally no other people are complaining about this because it’s not what it’s meant to be lol. I feel like there would be no way they would push cookie so much in your face in that way especially because they’re young, even older groups sing about it in a much more tame way. Plus, cookie being slang for 🐱 is only an American thing. Yes it was wrong, but we can’t be unfair and shit on everything and give hate to the girls with lots of people are doing (not this video tho).
People like you who defend SA is a big issue. You let things like this continue to happen.
@@dbpx12 tf are you on about this has nothing to do with SA??? and where in my comment am I defending it???
@@americxno blocked
no trust me i was talking w someone who is literally fluent in korean and they assured me it was rlyyy weird also the lyrics are not the only suggestive thing ab this song/video
@@sofiabondurant6575 I talked to people fluent in Korean too 😭😭 and people who were fluent in other languages and used other captions. Is the person you talked to is familiar with American culture and the English language? Because it’s prob weird for them if they are. Idk, I’ve also seen lots of netizen comments on Korean websites and they seem to think it’s fine 🤷🏻♀️
I think your comments that there are so many gay moments with the members are your own bias. I just saw them expressing a strong bond with each other. Especially in Asia, female friends often express their closeness and support by chaining arms or holding hands while walking down the street. Even for men, a guy puts his arm on another guy's shoulder in a type of bond. In the West, it is perceived as gay, which my friends got bullied on when they first moved to America and weren't aware of the culture. Not everything has to be viewed through a sexual lens.
i do think it was a marketing thing ! hybe also did it for lesserafilm in the mv for fearless with the sexual dance floor move and they knew it would create an issue to talk about when they weren't even going to perform that choreo so it made no sense to put that in the mv when one or two were like minors ?
ok guys it's weird 2 girls holding hands😒
In hype boy, the things that you feel like a gay thing, isnt a gay thing at all in korea. To the western point of view it might look like that. Korean young girls do hold hands between friends..
westerners do too😭 idk where that comment came from bc so many people hold their friends hands here
the thing I hate most about cookie, is how much I love cookie. Like, the first time I heard it I was determined to hate it because of the message but I really couldn't and it's just too good of a song. It would've been so much easier if it was a trash song
I love all , but my most fave is hype boy ~ 🎶
Your reaction to Cookie is normal and expected and SHOULD be the reaction people have! They're children singing about explicit lyrics and suggestive themes. It is disgusting and you should not have to defend yourself or regret any of your comments! It's all a shame but you're in the right!!!!
i honestly feel like cookie should’ve been a red velvet song….
I don't have an issue with NewJeans the girls... I have an issue with them Debuting SO YOUNG, just 14 to just turned 18. Obviously nothing to to with them.
In this M/V for example, they are not at a concert(which would be pushing it for a 14 yr old, no adult supervision) but in a CLUB type place.
HYBE is pushing a MATURE theme in the lyrics, clothing, dance and promotion.
These girls are VERY talented... But I'm not confident that HYBE will handle them correctly. They are Children, not just a way to make money.
Wow their theme is being teenagers. Hybe is not pushing any mature theme with them. Hybe doesnt even make the theme that is ador.
HELP😭 Hybe doesn't even "handle" them. Ador it's an independent company, Hybe just puts the money for their work but they have no say in anything that Ador does. NewJeans is 100% managed by Ador.
are you dumb?
The whole "no you don't understand, cookie in korean is slang for CD" explanation is so funny. Even trying to pretend like this song is about their music and they're talking to their fans is such a stretch, more than half of the lyrics don't make any sense in that context.
If something looks like a cat, moves like a cat, and meows like a cat, then it's probably a cat and not a dog. And if it's a dog then the owner sure as hell is aware that his dog looks like a cat.
the hand holding part wasn't even bad what are you saying 😭also in the hypeboy MV'S, one of the hypeboys is a girl. I don't understand why you kept commenting on the looks and handholding like you literally just talking to talk😭
force the ship? lol what😭😭
I don't like for you to misunderstand what cookie means in that vid. in Korea we say that "baked a CD". it means make a CD. that song never means any sexual code. don't judge the Kpop lyrics as western mind only. cookie means CD for fans in that song. Kpop has the only Kpop universe and thinking. we call this Kpop things.
I get that, as a foreigner I have no right to say what something means in your countries context, but when there are english writers in the writing process who wrote suggestive(english) lyrics in their language knowing fully well what they meant and that this song was going to be sung by minors, that just doesn't feel right
This song was originally written in English and then translated to Korean though. Also some English lyrics, such as "Looking at my cookie" are also suggestive.
@@nannatan2476 nah! written in Korean and English on some part at the same time. you get the wrong information.
@@spacesweeper4968 No it was originally written in English by two people. A person named Gigi and someone named Ylva who both speak English. What was written in English by the two of them is known as a Demo which was then translated by the company into Korean lyrics. It's literally on their wikipedia page for it listed in the album credits. You have the wrong info.
@@RogueRhiRhi ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ noooo!! lol 😆 🤣 😂 gigi is the very CEO of ADOR under HYBE Min Hee-Jin 😆 🤣 😂 do you know her? 😆 🤣 😂 she's a Korean. and me too. you make me laugh out crazily 😆 🤣 😂 first she wrote it in Korean/English at the same time. you're wrong 😂 😆 😂
If you have more time please react to Kep1er and Stayc, their discography is great especially Stayc💖
Cookie, for me, made me really uncomfortable. I couldn't really get through the whole music video without turning off captions. Sure, it could be a few mistranslations, but there's more then just that. There's also a few English lyrics in there, which are also clearly suggestive. I would love this song despite the lyrics if there weren't minors in the group. The maknae is 14(I already don't like that a member is 14 but that's my own personal opinion), but despite my opinion on the maknae being 14, this is obviously a suggestive song. The song wasn't even written specifically for new jeans, it was just a song they had laying around.
I had the same reaction to Cookie it’s so odd and just made me feel like 🥴 aren’t these girls really young
i love every song they released but my problem is that two of the girls are minors in korea and internationally and they’re having them sing such a suggestive song like cookie. it may seem innocent to other people but cookie has a different meaning in some cultures so the writing makes it seem like she’s singing about something she SHOULD NOT BE SINGING ABOUT AT HER AGE! if they were all legal that’s one thing but the lyrics threw me off since they have children in their group still. they could have and should’ve kept cookie in the vault until they were all of age to sing this kind of song.
Bake in Korean is 'ppang gubgi'. Burning CD in Korean is 'gubgi CD'. Both use similar sound of 'cookie'. Cookie in asian culture simply means baked dough. It is no fault of Koreans that it carries sexual undertone in the western culture.
Just like Korean 'nae-ga' means I. It is no fault of Koreans that it sounds like the 'N' word used in the western culture as slur against black people.
People bashing NewJeans are either ignorant or opportunists wanting to eliminate them from competition against other rookies.
People should stop blemishing an innocent song & stop looking through coloured lens at other cultures.
The song was written in English first though.
Heard the fandom name is gonna be pocket. Makes sense, since they're so outta pocket
The girls haven't chosen a fandom name yet
@@nicoleloss7987 whoosh~
it ended up being tokkis😊
People (elder) tend to forget
what they were like in teens,
and NewJeans were just bringing it
up with all their songs, even Cookie.
Adults can feel uneasy all they want
but I think most teens'd luv da songs.
most teens? sorry I’m 15 and cookie made me feel really uncomfortable
The worst part is that they marketed cookie as a song 'for the fans' disgusting.
Every adult in that room knew what they were doing and you're a fool to believe thier innocent act
for me they f with cookie but the other songs are fire i was hesitant to listen to new jeans because of cookie but the other songs just got in my head without my consent
You should react to purple kiss they are a good group :)
Yeah however the lyrics and song got passed down through multiple people and hybe still let these young girls sing this song is terrible. The song and the beat and everything are really good, but it’s just too suggestive with the way the word “cookie” is interpreted. And i feel bad for these girls for this exact reason.
Fyi : all the members can speak english
Fr why does hybe keep doing this? Converse with Jungkook, Fever with Niki, now this?
13:10 for the "intense gaze" and ship, watch the music video for those 2. They are each other's love interesting.
I don’t know why people have problem with the lyrics of cookie. I mean it’s art! The interpretation depends on you, the audience. If you interpreted it as a sexual thing, then you got dirty mind. YOU GOT DIRTY MIND! And that’s YOUR problem. I don’t sexualize the girls. I’m just being objective. I Don’t even try to sexualize the lyrics. What’s wrong with people’s mind nowadays? Everything gotta be sexual???
And the fact that the members themselves explained the meaning of the song, and people chose to think that it was a sexualized song.
Okay
Cookie is actually a really good song
But the lyrics...... It's got double meaning
But I still like it
I just ignore the lyrics 😭😭
cookie lyrics are so creepy man alot of people are angry at it considering one of the girls is 14
Cookie was definitely….ILLEGAL 💀💀
YES YES.
32:57 I had the same reaction the first time hearing it XD
Love the girls and their music. I agree that cookie is sexual. It's not appropriate for their age.
ONE OF THEM IS 14.
I love cookie. I could listen to it as long as I don't see New Jeans because then it's relating to them and it's not okay at all. I hate the song for that reason which is why I don't watch the MV. If red velvet got the song, it's fine, it's whatever but New Jeans? Even right at debut. It makes Hybe look bad and a bad start for New Jeans though they are very striking and talented.
"Intense gaze"? Okay, so maybe i'm blind, but I only see a 18 y/o and a 16 y/o friends chatting and holding hands... I'm sure you didn't mean it in a bad way, its just...weird. And if you so aware of their ages, and pissed about Cookie (you have every right to), then you shouldnt say stuff like this either. I hope nobody would take this as an offense, I just wanted to share my thoughts.