I have one of these. Its a GREAT air rifle. in fact, I consider it the PERFECT pumper. very accurate. good knock down power on birds. I say this to crosman - you have a winner here. how about some variants ? different colored stocks, wood stock option, 177 caliber version. Crosman should offer up a bunch of special editions of this rifle. I bought one of the 100th anniversay editions of the 362, but at 400 dollars thats too much money. And Crosman, how about a upgraded version of the 760 ? we adults dont want a total plastic gun, how about remaking the rifle you sold in the 70's that had a metal receiver and thicker plastic stock ? we will pay for it, give us the option. if you want a pumper, the 362 in 22 is one fantastic rifle. thanks for the chronograph numbers. for those that want a 177 check out the daisy 901. its solid and very nice. If you want a break barrel, check out the crosman vantage nitro piston. its also fantastic.
Hello. Thanks for watching and commenting. This is in deed a great air rifle. Regarding the Daisy 901, be sure to check out my videos on this air rifle. Please be sure to help out my channel by liking snf subscribing.
Interesting. Using Crosman Premier H.P.s (14.3gr) in my stock 362, 8 pumps, a 5 shot string, I got a high of 630 fps & a low of 627 fps with an avg. of 629 fps. I tested it again after putting a brass breech, stainless extended bolt probe, a larger transfer port, and a Buck Rail silencer. Again, Crosman Premier H.P.s 14.3 gr. 8 pumps, and this time, a 10 shot string. The high was 654 fps. Low was 630 fps with an avg. of 647 fps. I then went up to 10 pumps and a 10 shot string. The high was 706 fps. The low was 686 with an avg. of 693 fps. The air temp. was about 42 degrees.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I too, take great pleasure in testing. While the 362 was still stock, I also tested 4 other pellets (8 pumps) from Crosman Domed Ultra Heavy (19gr. high of 559 fps) to N & N Field Target Trophy Green (9.57gr. high of 723 fps). The air temp. was about 38 degrees but sunny. It'll be a while before it gets into the 70s and enough sunlight for my chronograph. As a side note, I've never cleaned the barrel. But I had sent at least 100 pellets down-range before first using the chronograph. I'm looking forward to your future videos.
The Artillery Hold is easy as can be, NO manhandling of the gun,just aim and keep everything completely relaxed when getting the shot off, you must discipline yourself to relax,no need to pull stock into shoulder,this is how you get the best results with the Artillery Hold,the heavier the rifle the easier this is so no need to over muscle here,that will throw your shot off,gentle finesse is the name of the game.Just let the fore end rest in your open palm...try that and it may help.
Leo thanks for watching and the advice but there was no accuracy testing here. The artillery hold is a method for use in springers to permit the double recoil to occur in a consistent manner to increase accuracy. I don't know that I've heard of using that method for any other type of airgun that lack those recoil behaviors.
Hi Ben, took several cotton patches in the barrel remove any 🏭 oil or lite grease. They CAME out pretty clean, so shot it with 3 pumps,then 4, finished with 5 . Use RWs Hobby pellets@11.9 grs. I'm using the peep sight ☺️. With 3 pumps got a 9/16" group. Then 4 pumps group size was 1/2", LAST was 5 pumps, group size is 7/16". This 362 Actually better than my Benjamin 392. Amazing for the money 💰💵. Have lots of other pellets to test. What I'm thinking 🤔 this CROSMAN PUMP UP Air Rifle is mostly for garden 🏡 or hunting. Don't believe they made this for m.o.a.targetshooting. My view from a former Military Service member. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🎖️💂
I own the 362 and I still prefer my 880. Yes it feels cheaper but that plastic is durable and lighter. Also, 880 is just as accurate, easier & quieter to pump, cheaper and comes with a scope. In contrast, the 362 has higher fpe and in .22 caliber. Also, it feels sturdier in the hand than the 880. The 362 has more metal and weight (good/bad thing). However, the 362 is noisy to pump and if you want a scope expect to pay an extra $100 just to have that upgrade with iron sights and steel breach under warranty from Pyramid Air (doesn’t include scope). Again, both the Daisy 880 and Winchester 1977xs come with scopes (cheap but with dovetails) and are reasonably priced compared to a scoped-able 362. Averages/Estimates (8.2gr RWS Meisterkugeln) 880: 681fps; 8.5fpe; $40 1977: 806fps; 12fpe;$90 14.3gr Crosman HP: 362: 668fps; 14.17fpe; $110 11.9gr RWS Hobbies: 392: 686fps; 12.4fpe; $220 392s: 688fps; 12.51fpe; $220 Mk2: 778fps; 16fpe; $200 Stats borrowed from a combination of resources to include myself and 2 RUclipsrs with excellent content. Off The Shelf Airgun Detectives
I cleaned the barrel from shipping oil and then I sprayed the barrel with silicone lubricant and lightly swabbed it in. Pellets are soaring now. I don't own a Chrono. but I can tell the difference in damage to targets
Looks like a really promising platform for modification and it is nice to see a good quality multi pump that is made with enough power to hunt with if needed. Springers are usually on the heavy side and are tough to be really accurate with heck I'm a good shot and have yet to get a really nice group using a springer at 10 yards. I can bust cans all day using a braceless slingshot but can't get a quarter size group with my springer!
I'm right there with you. I'm not that good with magnum springers. I guess I haven't mastered the artillery hold. This platform is very promising for sure. Thanks for watching. Please don't forget to subscribe.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I also think it has to do with the break barrel design, it introduces a variable in barrel position. I'm decent at 10 yards or so if I sight it in but wouldn't rely on it for high precision shots past that. I want something I can shoot from a rested position and springers aren't that great for it.
Hey Ben, I just found your channel and subscribed. Thank you for this video on the Crosman 362 velocity testing. And thank you for the tip on the extended bolt by Alchemy Airguns. I have never heard of them. So I will check them out for ideas to increase the performance of the Crosman 362. I would like to ask a favour from you. Please speak louder or directly into the microphone or do not speak while the chronograph is speaking. I was trying to hear what you had to say. But the chronograph was louder than you. So I ended up just reading the transcript. Other than that I like your content. I would also like to mention that while you are at it, you should do an accuracy/grouping video and use different pellets, grain weights, and head shapes, do a penetration test, and mention the distance to the target. Afterall, you are already shooting the pellets. Might as well give us your opinion on the pellet performance. Anyway, Thanks again. Stay Safe. Be Well. GOD BLESS.
Ken thank you so much for watching and commenting! I'm glad you enjoyed it. The accuracy testing has been on the back burner for a while due to life. :-) I hope to get to it soon. Take care.
The daisy 880 is still the king of the cheaper pumpers in my opinion or that backpack special. I don't own 1 but have a buddy that has 1 and the options r endless for it
The 880, yes, for a very cheap rifle, it honestly can't be beaten. Add the high pressure upgrade parts from Daisy and it becomes a true contender for power and accuracy.
I just got my 362 a few days ago and I just dropped the steel breech and 24" barrell and buck rail silencer. Oversize t/f port, extended bolt probe and winchester A/O 4x32 scope on it. I'll be doing chrony test and accuracy review tomorrow. So far, I can tell its gonna be a beast!!
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I expected a little more than I got from it powerwise ( "14 FPE") its very consistent, very accurate. I'm splitting pellets @ 15 yds.on a butcher knife in front of the bullseye. Another Airgunner put a. 25 cal barrell on his and is getting 15 fpe. I'm gonna get into the valve and see what it looks like and if it is the same thing as the 13xx valves...I have a modified custom valve ready to go. Itll be awhile before I do that because I'm gonna enjoy it as is for awhile!. It's so accurate I'm gonna have a hard time taking it apart and I may have to get another one to play with and do more mods on.. happy shooting and enjoyed your videos!
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I'm not too sure about the Crosman Essential pellets. Accuracy isn't bad at short range and they're clean. None of my 22s like them past 10 or 25 yards though.
This gun seemed to prefer the CPHP by a wide margin. I'm still working on some things before I published an accuracy video though. The Crosman Essential pellets remind me of the old Daisy pellets of years gone by. They just seemed poorly manufactured.
seemed like a good video with info I was interested in, however I could not make out what was being said on the voice-over with the sound of the video and the chronograph. I realize my hearing loss is not anyone else's issue but thought it pertinent enough to share to make a better video. Over-all I enjoyed the video and am still trying to decide on this model.
Let me start by saying thank you for watching and taking the time to comment with constructive feedback. It is a big help. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and I apologize for the difficulty. This was my first video attempting to voice over. So it is hugely helpful to get this kind of feedback.
Just got my 362, shot it a few times just once, just put a Baker Airguns aluminum breech on, but haven't shot it yet. Sure is nicer with a metal breech.
Thanks for info. I just got 362 and I like it a lot. I can hit the end of soda can at 25 yards . I hope you add a shooting with scope. I on the the fence about puting on a steel breach. Because it pumps so easy and has the same power my 392 and 397 . They might stay in the safe a lot more of the time.
There doesn't seem to be too much difference between 10 and 6 pumps,less than 100 FPS,so it wouldn't seem worth the effort of 10 pumps.I don't think air temperature makes much difference with air guns, spring, pump or PCP, but it does with CO2 guns.
Kevan, air temperature and barometric pressures do impact airguns. This has been tested variously by others and I have witnessed personal evidence of it. For pumpers, your sweep volume is static. At different temperatures and air pressures, the density of the air varies in this uncompressed volume. Less dense air puts fewer molecules into the valve per pump. So someone pumping in Arizona in August will have different results than someone pumping in Vale in December. The same applies for springers too. Less dense air compressed by the spring moving forward will result in less velocity. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Thanks again for watching and commenting. I've been really busy and focused on work and a new promotion. I've not forgotten RUclips and I've been considering several different next videos. I'll just have to carve out the time for it.
Well this is a velocity test video. I cover accuracy and speak about it at length in other videos. I even deride those who chase speed over accuracy. I assure you that accuracy features prominently in my channel. I'll invite you to check out some of my other production. Thank you for watching and commenting. Always nice to hear from a new viewer.
Interesting new offering from Crosman. The problem with most extended bolts is really in the depth of the pellet. It gets the pellet past the transfer port but sometimes the pellet skirt is shallow is so far forward it creates a larger void behind the pellet. The air has a chance to expand and loose pressure. The valve volume on these pretty small so you lose pressure before the pellet has a chance to move. Sometimes the thing that increases the flow decreases the pressure and there’s no net gain. However even if there is no gain in velocity, if it increases the consistency it’s worth it in the long run. Just something to ponder.
I've been looking at something a touch easier to shoot than my spinger to do some small game hunting out to about 30 yards and this rifle has my attention. Right around 14 ftlbs is more than enough for my needs and the accuracy seems quite good and no need for a separate pump or scuba tank as with a PCP.
Great review. Seems like a very nice gun. Would like to see the velocity and energy at variable pump numbers. Maybe you can do that in the future. Thanks for the work.
Do you think cleaning the barrel affected velocity?! Do you recommend installing a steel breech on the 362? Have you made anymore videos out in the field yet using the the 362!?
I did not test before and after barrel cleaning but I can't imagine there was a significant velocity change. I do recommend the breech, especially if you're going to use a scope. I have not had time to make more videos. Accuracy testing is next on list.
Great info. Thanks for such a detailed review. Have you thought of giving the Meisterkugeln (RWS) wad-cutters a try? Those work very well for me in almost all of my slingers. BTW: The bead looks good on ya (from a fellow bead-wearer albeit with much less hair)!
I ordered the RWS Super-H-Point and Super Point with this airgun. I'll be giving those a try. What kind do distance do you shot the Meisterkuheln at? I normally do not use wad cutters beyond 10 yards. Thanks for the beard love!
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Hey there, Ben! Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. The RWS Meisterkugeln wadcutters do extremely well in several of my springers and nitro-pistons. They are spot-on at up to 35 yards,. One of my favorite targets to use is the spent hull of a 20 gauge.
😂 So true. These words come from car/truck enthusiasts, gamers who build their own rigs, hunters, fishermen...heck...any hobby has a way of creeping deeper into that ol' bank account. It's why we love it, right? Thanks for watching and commenting. Please be sure to like and subscribe to help me out.
In Illinois you can’t own one of these with out a f o i d card and when you buy it on line it must be sent to a ffl dealer and fill out a background check and wait 72 hours before you can get it
Ja ja ja ja ja Esa es una gran descripción del ruido. El chirrido proviene de la válvula. Es un comportamiento común de las válvulas multibomba Crosman. A veces el ruido desaparece. Gracias por mirar y comentar.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA ahhhh ok .. de todas formas si tiene una gran potencia por su precio y sigue siendo una exelente oferta comprarlo,, saludos!! Seguire viendo mas reseñas 👌👌👌
Very informative video on the 362. I shoot pest squirrels from my living room window I have camo netting on the outside. Have you done much accuracy testing with this gun? I generally shoot at about 20 to 30 yards and this gun would rock their world LOL. Keep up the great work and you said you were in the military thank you for your service sir.
The camo netting outside the window gave me a chuckle. I love it!! I would love to do the same thing at my house, but I don't think my wife or HOA would appreciate me making my home look like Tactical Operations Center. I have only tested the two pellets mentioned in this video so far. So very limited. The UTG Bugbuster just arrived yesterday and is mounted. I will be getting some time to put in some accuracy testing with the different pellets I have. I'll find what works best and get that video published next. Thank you for watching, commenting, and for your support of veterans.
I installed the steel breech and put a red/ green dot and it is deadly accurate out to fifty yards. I believe this rifle will kill any animal rabbit size and smaller.
The plastic breech held up fine for the short time I used it. I have this steel breech on a 1322 and on this gun. What kind of "jams" have you heard about occurring?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I've heard certain pellets for sure Jam a lot Gamo red fires come to mind I don't even use those I was just concern in general but I'm assuming the people put it in backwards. Thanks for the reply really thinking about picking one up this week
Joe, ok that's helps a bit. These cannot be installed backwards. There is only one direction that everything fits together. But since you've brought this jamming issue up, I'm going to have to try to source some Gamo Redfire pellets to test to see what happens. Appreciate you watching and commenting.
I don't like those domed pellets I couldn't get them to group for the life of me compared to alot of other pellets I just don't like crossman pellets but I do enjoy like some cheap premiers just to shoot a whole tin and have fun and I do enjoy there rifles but Gamo takes the cake for me and im looking at some other nice brands you can get a budget gun from that will double as a small to medium game survival hunting tool
Try the Sig Venom domed pellets. They are a bit longer and I've gotten superb accuracy with them out to 35 yards (about 3/8" groups, zero wind, rested on a table), even to 100 yards if you consider a 3" group decent at 100 yards with a pellet gun. These results I've repeated hundreds of times over the years with a Daisy 822 with the high pressure upgrade parts from Daisy. I'm assuming this new Crosman should have no problem getting the same results or better, since it has much higher quality components than my old Daisy 822.
Thanks for reviewing this air rifle. How does the composite stock material compare with the Daisy 901's? Is the quality and feel better, worse, different in some ways, or about the same? (I happen to like the 901's, but most other synthetic stocks I've had experience with fall quite a bit short.)
First, thank you for watching and commenting. To answer your question, I would invite you to watch my unboxing video of this air rifle. Short answer, I like it. ;-) I hope you'll like and subscribe. Thanks again.
just like the 1377,,the front post is to fat,,, can't fine aim your shots,, I've had several over the years,,and I always shave the post thinner,,also the front post is too low, that's why they tend to shoot high,,so I put flame to the front post,then squeeze it with pliers,,to raise it,,after it dries,make sure it's straight,,then fine shave the post to preference,, hope this helps someone
Hay Ben! So may I suggest the Crosman Essential pellets are probably rebranded SMK spitfire pellets. My question is will this air rifle be powerful enough to be a small game hunter and how far is it going to be accurate? Great job Ben!
I can't find a good picture of the suggested pellets. Should have known you would send me on some British pellet goose chase. ;-) lol As you're aware, 12 FPE takes small game in England every day, at appropriate distance and with proper shot placement. This gun exceeds that nicely. I would say comfortably this is a small game gun easily out to 20-30 yards, form an energy perspective. Accuracy of the gun and shooter may shorten that by a bit. Thank you as always for your kind words of support and being a loyal viewer.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Good morning Ben, You may want to start using a real search engine like Duck Duck Go. LOL! Many pictures in images of the spitfires. The G one is rigged with ads and propaganda! BTW, I think it's awesome you polished the barrel. What do you think of your results? Most report polishing increases the barrel accuracy and makes them less pellet picky. Let us know in the next one.
ROFL!! Good point on the search engines. As I said, a good picture. What I'm finding are not close up or well defined to see sufficient detail for me to feel comfortable comparing the two pellets. Same challenge on DDG. Perhaps my Google-fu/DDG-fu is weaker than yours. :-D I did find a video though that had an ok close up of an open tin. From the look of what I'm seeing in this video (again not as clean of a picture as I would prefer), there are differences in the Crosman Essential and the SMK Spitfire that makes me think maybe not the same pellets. Specifically, the back of the head on the CE is sloped at a shallow angle to the waste of the pellet, while the Spitfire seems be more abrupt in angle from the pellet head to the waste of the skirt. Both have the grooves on the skirt but the CE has those grooves continuing up the back of the head and terminating at the wide part of the head. The spitfire grooves on the skirt seem to terminate at the waste of the pellet. I don't think I did enough before testing to give a quantifiable assessment of the results of the polishing. It sure made things shiny inside the barrel though. LOL
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Wow I did not look that detailed at the spitfire pellets. You know JSB produces 4 slightly different pellets one for each contract company of Air Arms, FX, and Daystate. I figured this may be what is going on with these Crosman? You do have to admit the pellets and tin design is strikingly similar. Plus since Crosman / Benjamin was bought out be a holding company (now Velocity - Outdoors) about 5 years ago they have outsourced a lot more of their products. Regarding velocity with your new breech and bolt probe: I had a slight blow by leak around one of my probes fixed by a slightly thicker probe o-ring. My extended probe was a tad thinner. You may want to find a feather and check. I always got about a 4-5% increase in my 2 breech probe conversions.
It's inexpensive and is "good enough", for the price. It's light which makes it easy to transport but also makes it sometimes less stable than a heavier model. The front rest isn't terrible great and can be a little wobbly in that it has loose threads. But it's good enough for what I'm doing with it. Better product would come with better/higher price. So it's really a trade off. Thanks for watching and commenting. Please don't forget to subscribe.
It is difficult to hear you over that silly "talking Chronograph"! Also, I was watching you pump. Try to pause, just a bit, at the top of the stroke to fully let air in! Still looking for accuracy info on this gun ... ... It would be nice to have the part number or link to that steel breech you installed. Lots of vital info is left out of this video!!!
Thank you for the feedback on the chronograph. This was the first video that I attempting a voice over track. I clearly needed to tone down the chronograph track audio. You're not the first person to make that observation. A work in progress we shall say. 😀 Accuracy info has not been produced for a very good reason. I had to RMA this gun for damage to the crown. The replacement arrived yesterday. Stay tuned. The steel breech is the standard Crosman steel breech. I thought I said as much but if I didn't, my mistake. As I've mentioned in another reply, this was a velocity video. I had other plans for the series that were put on hold due to the RMA. Based on feedback for my other videos where I crammed everything into one long video, I'm breaking things up topically. Other than accuracy and parts list of aftermarket mods used, are there any other requests you would like to see?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA What in your opinion, is the limiting factor in airgun accuracy? Sure, I can vastly overspend for a "Raw" brand airgun, but why can't we, in the lower-budget arena, have better accuracy? Case in point: Crosman just introduced a new pumper -- Model 362. After MANY tweaks of this & that (new steel chamber, new valve, etc.), some YT guy was able to achieve 0.64" group sizes at about 20 yards or so. This is nonsense to me -- coming from a firearms background! Why should Airgunners have to live with such low accuracies? I DEMAND same-hole accuracy (Scoped) at 20 yards & beyond. Until I can see reviews of such, I'll keep my new Daisy 880!
That's a fantastic question! When it comes to firearms, varying quality levels dictate accuracy, just as with air rifles. Accuracy is the result of consistency, in my opinion. That consistency includes shooter mechanics, ammunition, and gun. In the case of ammunition, consistency of the projectile manufacture and of the powder charge (powder burner) affects accuracy. In the case of air guns, similarly the release of air can vary outcomes along with variations in the pellets. In addition, there is the projectile length/weight as it relates to rifling twist rates in barrels and matching those up. Then when we get to the guns themselves, the quality of the barrel manufacturing process matters, smoothness of the trigger group, hammers, valves, etc all have impacts. Getting into crazy fine tuning, there is the impact of barrel harmonics that combined with variations in pellet velocities from variations in air releases may cause the pellets to leave the barrel at different points in the harmonics of the barrels. Even in firearms a match grade .22 LR rifle will not shoot to its full potential without the right ammo. Also a stock 10/22 will likely be less accurate than a match grade gun, and pricing shows that. Sure, people will talk of their rare one off bulk manufactured gun that outshot their Olympian buddy's match gun (hyperbole here), but broad strokes, higher priced guns and ammo get you better accuracy. If you think about it, a firearm is a less complex machine than is an air rifle. It has fewer moving parts and fewer items to tune and get right/wrong. So that an airgun is more of a challenge to get to equal accuracy really doesn't surprise me form the engineering perspective.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Sorry im replying from another channel I got the notification via email. The statements are not connected. Ive built and tested dozens of these. If you get an increase in fps from either mod, its because you made a better seal on assembly than it had from the factory. Other than having a dovetail and being slightly more durable the steel breech is a waste because the plastic breech actual seals better. Every extended bolt will cost fps. People think of the air traveling but its actually a matter of compression ratio not flow. Think of the gun as an engine, the valve is the cylinder and the breech is the head. When the pellet is pushed further down the barrel it makes a for larger "compression chamber" resulting in a lower "compression ratio" and lost velocity. Dont get stuck on the idea of the pellet skirt residing over the hole and "impeding flow". It doestn work like that, pure breech pressure is what initially drives the pellet, not dynamic flow. On my other comment about the nitrile tubing, it makes a far better seal than the metal to metal transfer port setup. Just have to use the perfect diameter tubing and cut it to the perfect length. Trust me its literally thousands of hours of testing with these.
The reason they use a metal transfer port setup is more about locating and locking down the barrel. As ling as you shim the barrel in the breech and locate it precisely you will see a significant gain in fps qnd consistency from using tubing to seal the valve to the barrel. The barrel band will keep it all in place. If you see a drop its because you got the tubing pinched on assembly. Be patient, the more you do it the easier it gets.
That all makes excellent sense. The analogy with the car engine is a good one. I've always understood the power generated by a gun (air or powder burning) to be caused by the expansion of gas (compressed or generated from a chemical reaction). So in the case of air guns, it's a matter of the expansion of a compressed volume of air that accelerates the pellet/BB down the barrel as that compressed volume of air expands to equalize with current atmospheric pressure. In the case of the Crosman design, that expansion begins at the point of release from the valve. So the air is expanding out of the valve, through the transfer port, behind the pellet, through the barrel, and outside the barrel once the pellet exits the barrel. So question regarding the skirt placement over the transfer port versus pushed in front of it. As I think about that setup, with the skirt partially behind the front edge of the transfer port, would that not permit some amount of this air to go in the gap at the waist of the of the pellet rather than being part of the air compressing behind the skirt? Your point is well taken though that with the pellet forward of the port, the air from the valve has expanded and expended more of it's energy before contact with the pellet than if the pellet is at stock position, partially covering the port. However, in that some amount of air is already bypassing the skirt to go directly behind the head, some amount of compression is lost at that point regardless. I realize this all rather academic and nerdy levels, but I do enjoy those parts of the sport. What are you thoughts about the manner in which I'm thinking about this?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA the breakdown of the engineering is actually what drives my interest in the hobby. I see your point, however also consider that the dome of the pellet does still impede the escape of the compressed gas. Not totally, but by the time any significant amount is "in front" of the entire pellet, the pellset has already begun it's travel and accelerated far faster from the seal compressed air behind the skirt, making any potential loss negligible if not entirely void, using again the engine analogy, and it would be scavenged air because of bernouli's principle. The "compression ratio" and velocity is a greater factor than total flow. Let's also not dismiss the fact that some pellets have a deeper, or shallower skirt, resulting in a variance in the location of the pellet in relation to the transfer port once the bolt is fully closed. No matter how many times I have tested an extended bolt vs. a standard bolt, the extended has never given better results when properly assembled and sealed. P.S.... My 362 arrived today and I will without a doubt be modding it eventually. The build quality is phenomenal, dare I say the best quality per dollar I have ever spent on any rifle. It might take me a few months but my intention is to document and produce a video of the process and the results. I will do my best to remember to notify you. My airgun channel is called "Monkey Paw". If you search Crosman 2260 Pistol you should be able to find it. It' is nothing to bark about, I just started it with a couple short videos and haven't promoted it yet.
You can get 700 fps out of it if you go 10 pumps it's okay 😎for the peep sight losing little back screw up and rotate the sight around to the square open-top sight.🤣🤣🤣
For review purposes I keep inside of manufacturer specs generally. Thank you for the tip in the sight. Must have missed that in the manual. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Sure, you can over-pump it, you won't gain much power, but just like the 2100, over-pumping results in some of the air not being released from the air chamber. Unless you replace the hammer spring with a stiffer spring, or replace the hammer with a heavier hammer. That will hold the valve open a little longer and release all the air. Even stock, once the hammer spring starts to get weak, you'll start to notice a little air remaining in the chamber after each shot. My 2100 is old and is doing that now, needs a new hammer spring.
Yeah noticed that in post production. Sadly I didn't catch it to do a reshoot and I haven't been able to get back to making more content since this video...yet. Thanks for commenting. Please like and subscribe.
I have one of these. Its a GREAT air rifle. in fact, I consider it the PERFECT pumper. very accurate. good knock down power on birds. I say this to crosman - you have a winner here. how about some variants ? different colored stocks, wood stock option, 177 caliber version. Crosman should offer up a bunch of special editions of this rifle. I bought one of the 100th anniversay editions of the 362, but at 400 dollars thats too much money. And Crosman, how about a upgraded version of the 760 ? we adults dont want a total plastic gun, how about remaking the rifle you sold in the 70's that had a metal receiver and thicker plastic stock ? we will pay for it, give us the option. if you want a pumper, the 362 in 22 is one fantastic rifle. thanks for the chronograph numbers. for those that want a 177 check out the daisy 901. its solid and very nice. If you want a break barrel, check out the crosman vantage nitro piston. its also fantastic.
Hello. Thanks for watching and commenting.
This is in deed a great air rifle.
Regarding the Daisy 901, be sure to check out my videos on this air rifle.
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@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA is this CROSMAN airgun capable of 1" inch groups at 20 yards ?
Interesting. Using Crosman Premier H.P.s (14.3gr) in my stock 362, 8 pumps, a 5 shot string, I got a high of 630 fps & a low of 627 fps with an avg. of 629 fps. I tested it again after putting a brass breech, stainless extended bolt probe, a larger transfer port, and a Buck Rail silencer. Again, Crosman Premier H.P.s 14.3 gr. 8 pumps, and this time, a 10 shot string. The high was 654 fps. Low was 630 fps with an avg. of 647 fps. I then went up to 10 pumps and a 10 shot string. The high was 706 fps. The low was 686 with an avg. of 693 fps. The air temp. was about 42 degrees.
Hey thanks for watching, commenting, and sharing your results.
I was at 70 degrees when I tested. Air temp definitely has an impact. I love data!
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I too, take great pleasure in testing. While the 362 was still stock, I also tested 4 other pellets (8 pumps) from Crosman Domed Ultra Heavy (19gr. high of 559 fps) to N & N Field Target Trophy Green (9.57gr. high of 723 fps). The air temp. was about 38 degrees but sunny. It'll be a while before it gets into the 70s and enough sunlight for my chronograph. As a side note, I've never cleaned the barrel. But I had sent at least 100 pellets down-range before first using the chronograph. I'm looking forward to your future videos.
Thanks!!
Where did you get the brass breech ? I have not heard of that
Your presentation is better than the others.
Wow thank you!
Thanks for the very well done video of the 362 performance. I’ve been thinking of getting one, you helped me make up my mind.
That's awesome! Glad I could be of help!
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The Artillery Hold is easy as can be, NO manhandling of the gun,just aim and keep everything completely relaxed when getting the shot off, you must discipline yourself to relax,no need to pull stock into shoulder,this is how you get the best results with the Artillery Hold,the heavier the rifle the easier this is so no need to over muscle here,that will throw your shot off,gentle finesse is the name of the game.Just let the fore end rest in your open palm...try that and it may help.
Leo thanks for watching and the advice but there was no accuracy testing here. The artillery hold is a method for use in springers to permit the double recoil to occur in a consistent manner to increase accuracy. I don't know that I've heard of using that method for any other type of airgun that lack those recoil behaviors.
Great video, very informative! I’m glad you mentioned what the pumping effort was. That’s something I’ve been curious about.
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Hi Ben, took several cotton patches in the barrel remove any 🏭 oil or lite grease. They CAME out pretty clean, so shot it with 3 pumps,then 4, finished with 5 . Use RWs Hobby pellets@11.9 grs. I'm using the peep sight ☺️. With 3 pumps got a 9/16" group. Then 4 pumps group size was 1/2", LAST was 5 pumps, group size is 7/16". This 362
Actually better than my Benjamin 392. Amazing for the money 💰💵. Have lots of other pellets to test. What I'm thinking 🤔 this CROSMAN PUMP UP Air Rifle is mostly for garden 🏡 or hunting. Don't believe they made this for m.o.a.targetshooting.
My view from a former Military Service member. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🎖️💂
I couldn't agree more. Great little gun. Always good to hear from a fellow Military Service Member.
I own the 362 and I still prefer my 880. Yes it feels cheaper but that plastic is durable and lighter. Also, 880 is just as accurate, easier & quieter to pump, cheaper and comes with a scope. In contrast, the 362 has higher fpe and in .22 caliber. Also, it feels sturdier in the hand than the 880. The 362 has more metal and weight (good/bad thing). However, the 362 is noisy to pump and if you want a scope expect to pay an extra $100 just to have that upgrade with iron sights and steel breach under warranty from Pyramid Air (doesn’t include scope). Again, both the Daisy 880 and Winchester 1977xs come with scopes (cheap but with dovetails) and are reasonably priced compared to a scoped-able 362.
Averages/Estimates
(8.2gr RWS Meisterkugeln)
880: 681fps; 8.5fpe; $40
1977: 806fps; 12fpe;$90
14.3gr Crosman HP:
362: 668fps; 14.17fpe; $110
11.9gr RWS Hobbies:
392: 686fps; 12.4fpe; $220
392s: 688fps; 12.51fpe; $220
Mk2: 778fps; 16fpe; $200
Stats borrowed from a combination of resources to include myself and 2 RUclipsrs with excellent content.
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Airgun Detectives
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I cleaned the barrel from shipping oil and then I sprayed the barrel with silicone lubricant and lightly swabbed it in. Pellets are soaring now. I don't own a Chrono. but I can tell the difference in damage to targets
That's awesome! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Looks like a really promising platform for modification and it is nice to see a good quality multi pump that is made with enough power to hunt with if needed. Springers are usually on the heavy side and are tough to be really accurate with heck I'm a good shot and have yet to get a really nice group using a springer at 10 yards. I can bust cans all day using a braceless slingshot but can't get a quarter size group with my springer!
I'm right there with you. I'm not that good with magnum springers. I guess I haven't mastered the artillery hold.
This platform is very promising for sure.
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@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I also think it has to do with the break barrel design, it introduces a variable in barrel position. I'm decent at 10 yards or so if I sight it in but wouldn't rely on it for high precision shots past that. I want something I can shoot from a rested position and springers aren't that great for it.
Agreed.
Hey Ben,
I just found your channel and subscribed.
Thank you for this video on the Crosman 362 velocity testing. And thank you for the tip on the extended bolt by Alchemy Airguns. I have never heard of them. So I will check them out for ideas to increase the performance of the Crosman 362.
I would like to ask a favour from you.
Please speak louder or directly into the microphone or do not speak while the chronograph is speaking.
I was trying to hear what you had to say. But the chronograph was louder than you. So I ended up just reading the transcript. Other than that I like your content.
I would also like to mention that while you are at it, you should do an accuracy/grouping video and use different pellets, grain weights, and head shapes, do a penetration test, and mention the distance to the target. Afterall, you are already shooting the pellets. Might as well give us your opinion on the pellet performance.
Anyway, Thanks again.
Stay Safe. Be Well. GOD BLESS.
Ken thank you so much for watching and commenting! I'm glad you enjoyed it. The accuracy testing has been on the back burner for a while due to life. :-)
I hope to get to it soon.
Take care.
The daisy 880 is still the king of the cheaper pumpers in my opinion or that backpack special. I don't own 1 but have a buddy that has 1 and the options r endless for it
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The 880, yes, for a very cheap rifle, it honestly can't be beaten. Add the high pressure upgrade parts from Daisy and it becomes a true contender for power and accuracy.
I just got my 362 a few days ago and I just dropped the steel breech and 24" barrell and buck rail silencer. Oversize t/f port, extended bolt probe and winchester A/O 4x32 scope on it. I'll be doing chrony test and accuracy review tomorrow. So far, I can tell its gonna be a beast!!
I'll love to hear back from you on your results!
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@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I expected a little more than I got from it powerwise ( "14 FPE") its very consistent, very accurate. I'm splitting pellets @ 15 yds.on a butcher knife in front of the bullseye. Another Airgunner put a. 25 cal barrell on his and is getting 15 fpe. I'm gonna get into the valve and see what it looks like and if it is the same thing as the 13xx valves...I have a modified custom valve ready to go. Itll be awhile before I do that because I'm gonna enjoy it as is for awhile!. It's so accurate I'm gonna have a hard time taking it apart and I may have to get another one to play with and do more mods on.. happy shooting and enjoyed your videos!
I love accuracy above all else. Those are some impressive results. Thank you for the kind comment and glad you enjoyed the video.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Yes accuracy is the main thing! I strive for that all the time, it's great practice.
Wow, that beard caught me off guard! 😂 These 362s are fun for sure.
ROFL!!! Yeah I was expecting some my regular viewers to notice some changes. :-D
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Nothing wrong with a good beard. I've had one for 25 years.
Jury is still out on if I've reached "good" yet, but still working on it.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I'm not too sure about the Crosman Essential pellets. Accuracy isn't bad at short range and they're clean. None of my 22s like them past 10 or 25 yards though.
This gun seemed to prefer the CPHP by a wide margin. I'm still working on some things before I published an accuracy video though. The Crosman Essential pellets remind me of the old Daisy pellets of years gone by. They just seemed poorly manufactured.
seemed like a good video with info I was interested in, however I could not make out what was being said on the voice-over with the sound of the video and the chronograph. I realize my hearing loss is not anyone else's issue but thought it pertinent enough to share to make a better video.
Over-all I enjoyed the video and am still trying to decide on this model.
Let me start by saying thank you for watching and taking the time to comment with constructive feedback. It is a big help.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and I apologize for the difficulty. This was my first video attempting to voice over. So it is hugely helpful to get this kind of feedback.
Thanks for the review, good content
Thank you for the kind feedback, watching, and commenting.
I hit 704 fps with 10 pumps and a dirty barrel , after cleaning it averaged 686 on 10 , eight pumps averages 660s with a few odd 670s .
That's awesome! Thanks for watching.
Where the heck have you been? Glad to see you're back.
Busy growing this beard is hard work.
Just got my 362, shot it a few times just once, just put a Baker Airguns aluminum breech on, but haven't shot it yet. Sure is nicer with a metal breech.
The metal breech is very nice.
Awesome
Thanks
Thanks for info. I just got 362 and I like it a lot. I can hit the end of soda can at 25 yards . I hope you add a shooting with scope. I on the the fence about puting on a steel breach. Because it pumps so easy and has the same power my 392 and 397 . They might stay in the safe a lot more of the time.
Accuracy testing will be coming next. That takes some time as I will be trying different pellets. Thank you for watching and commenting.
There doesn't seem to be too much difference between 10 and 6 pumps,less than 100 FPS,so it wouldn't seem worth the effort of 10 pumps.I don't think air temperature makes much difference with air guns, spring, pump or PCP, but it does with CO2 guns.
Kevan, air temperature and barometric pressures do impact airguns. This has been tested variously by others and I have witnessed personal evidence of it.
For pumpers, your sweep volume is static. At different temperatures and air pressures, the density of the air varies in this uncompressed volume. Less dense air puts fewer molecules into the valve per pump. So someone pumping in Arizona in August will have different results than someone pumping in Vale in December.
The same applies for springers too. Less dense air compressed by the spring moving forward will result in less velocity.
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doing a good job
Thanks.
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Where did you go man? I just found your channel 30 min ago. I hope you are ok! And just having a good time, and forgot about youtube.
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I've been really busy and focused on work and a new promotion.
I've not forgotten RUclips and I've been considering several different next videos. I'll just have to carve out the time for it.
I don't understand how you, and commenters too, can go on about velocity without ANY mention of accuracy. Please inform!
Well this is a velocity test video. I cover accuracy and speak about it at length in other videos. I even deride those who chase speed over accuracy. I assure you that accuracy features prominently in my channel. I'll invite you to check out some of my other production. Thank you for watching and commenting. Always nice to hear from a new viewer.
Would like to convert one to shoot .20! Do you know if they make a barrel for it?!
I've read forums where people are doing conversions, though I do not know the details.
Interesting new offering from Crosman. The problem with most extended bolts is really in the depth of the pellet.
It gets the pellet past the transfer port but sometimes the pellet skirt is shallow is so far forward it creates a larger void behind the pellet. The air has a chance to expand and loose pressure. The valve volume on these pretty small so you lose pressure before the pellet has a chance to move.
Sometimes the thing that increases the flow decreases the pressure and there’s no net gain. However even if there is no gain in velocity, if it increases the consistency it’s worth it in the long run.
Just something to ponder.
That's some fantastic information. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I've been looking at something a touch easier to shoot than my spinger to do some small game hunting out to about 30 yards and this rifle has my attention. Right around 14 ftlbs is more than enough for my needs and the accuracy seems quite good and no need for a separate pump or scuba tank as with a PCP.
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Great review. Seems like a very nice gun. Would like to see the velocity and energy at variable pump numbers. Maybe you can do that in the future.
Thanks for the work.
Thank you for the kind words, watching, and requested content idea.
Do you think cleaning the barrel affected velocity?! Do you recommend installing a steel breech on the 362? Have you made anymore videos out in the field yet using the the 362!?
I did not test before and after barrel cleaning but I can't imagine there was a significant velocity change.
I do recommend the breech, especially if you're going to use a scope.
I have not had time to make more videos. Accuracy testing is next on list.
Great info. Thanks for such a detailed review. Have you thought of giving the Meisterkugeln (RWS) wad-cutters a try? Those work very well for me in almost all of my slingers. BTW: The bead looks good on ya (from a fellow bead-wearer albeit with much less hair)!
I ordered the RWS Super-H-Point and Super Point with this airgun. I'll be giving those a try. What kind do distance do you shot the Meisterkuheln at? I normally do not use wad cutters beyond 10 yards.
Thanks for the beard love!
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Hey there, Ben! Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. The RWS Meisterkugeln wadcutters do extremely well in several of my springers and nitro-pistons. They are spot-on at up to 35 yards,. One of my favorite targets to use is the spent hull of a 20 gauge.
That's surprising to hear. I may have to look into them. Thank you.
Problem is the buy-in cost is cheap but by the time we mod them to our liking the cost is insane. Ask me how I know. The upgrades is endless.
😂 So true. These words come from car/truck enthusiasts, gamers who build their own rigs, hunters, fishermen...heck...any hobby has a way of creeping deeper into that ol' bank account. It's why we love it, right?
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I bought this gun I thought the max pumps are 12 , not 10. Looked at my box and it says 12 max pumps so which one is it?
The manual in my Crosman 362 said not to exceed 8 pumps.
Maybe Crosman changed the specs on this rifle? Interesting observation.
In Illinois you can’t own one of these with out a f o i d card and when you buy it on line it must be sent to a ffl dealer and fill out a background check and wait 72 hours before you can get it
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Tendrá alguna solucion el roce excesivo q se escucha al bombearlo???, xq se escucha muy fuerte que rechina como colchón usado en cada bombazo
Ja ja ja ja ja Esa es una gran descripción del ruido.
El chirrido proviene de la válvula. Es un comportamiento común de las válvulas multibomba Crosman. A veces el ruido desaparece.
Gracias por mirar y comentar.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA ahhhh ok .. de todas formas si tiene una gran potencia por su precio y sigue siendo una exelente oferta comprarlo,, saludos!! Seguire viendo mas reseñas 👌👌👌
Use Gamo hunter impact round nose pellets or the Predator GTO non lead much better results!
Thanks for watching and for the suggestion.
The mos important thing is accuracy. Would have liked to seen if accuracy is worth putting mods on the rifle.
Yeah I had planned more videos but life got in the way. I'm sorry. I'll say this, I really enjoy this rifle.
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@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA any word when we will see new videos?
I need to get back to them for sure. 😊
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA looking forward to it
The single best mod for any of these bolt action crosmans is to delete the transfer port and replace it with a piece of nitrile tubing.
That's an interesting mod. Thanks for watching and sharing.
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Very informative video on the 362. I shoot pest squirrels from my living room window I have camo netting on the outside. Have you done much accuracy testing with this gun? I generally shoot at about 20 to 30 yards and this gun would rock their world LOL. Keep up the great work and you said you were in the military thank you for your service sir.
The camo netting outside the window gave me a chuckle. I love it!! I would love to do the same thing at my house, but I don't think my wife or HOA would appreciate me making my home look like Tactical Operations Center. I have only tested the two pellets mentioned in this video so far. So very limited. The UTG Bugbuster just arrived yesterday and is mounted. I will be getting some time to put in some accuracy testing with the different pellets I have. I'll find what works best and get that video published next. Thank you for watching, commenting, and for your support of veterans.
From my own testing and everything I've seen on the GTA forum you won't have any issues picking off pests at 20 yards. Mine does great a 40 yards too.
I installed the steel breech and put a red/ green dot and it is deadly accurate out to fifty yards. I believe this rifle will kill any animal rabbit size and smaller.
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Awesome!!! Thank you!!
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Cheers 🙏😊
so is the tube drilled and tapped for either breach or does it have to be a certain one
Either of which breech?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA yes
I'm sorry but I'm afraid that I'm not understanding your question. I would love to offer help, but I'll have to ask you to rephrase your question.
They need to put sights on all the rifles
There are sights on this rifle.
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I know they should do it on all of them
I have an old Benji 392 in .22 but the seals are shot so it's useless as it sits. Just curious if the crosman 362 would fit nicely in that stock ?
Thanks for watching and commenting. I don't have one to compare. Sorry.
How is the plastic breach holding up? I like iron sights and I've heard this steel breech jams even when installed properly.
The plastic breech held up fine for the short time I used it. I have this steel breech on a 1322 and on this gun. What kind of "jams" have you heard about occurring?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA I've heard certain pellets for sure Jam a lot Gamo red fires come to mind I don't even use those I was just concern in general but I'm assuming the people put it in backwards. Thanks for the reply really thinking about picking one up this week
Joe, ok that's helps a bit. These cannot be installed backwards. There is only one direction that everything fits together. But since you've brought this jamming issue up, I'm going to have to try to source some Gamo Redfire pellets to test to see what happens.
Appreciate you watching and commenting.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA very cool thank you for replying. Should be interesting to see what happens with the red fires
I don't like those domed pellets I couldn't get them to group for the life of me compared to alot of other pellets I just don't like crossman pellets but I do enjoy like some cheap premiers just to shoot a whole tin and have fun and I do enjoy there rifles but Gamo takes the cake for me and im looking at some other nice brands you can get a budget gun from that will double as a small to medium game survival hunting tool
Try the Sig Venom domed pellets. They are a bit longer and I've gotten superb accuracy with them out to 35 yards (about 3/8" groups, zero wind, rested on a table), even to 100 yards if you consider a 3" group decent at 100 yards with a pellet gun. These results I've repeated hundreds of times over the years with a Daisy 822 with the high pressure upgrade parts from Daisy. I'm assuming this new Crosman should have no problem getting the same results or better, since it has much higher quality components than my old Daisy 822.
Thanks for reviewing this air rifle. How does the composite stock material compare with the Daisy 901's? Is the quality and feel better, worse, different in some ways, or about the same?
(I happen to like the 901's, but most other synthetic stocks I've had experience with fall quite a bit short.)
First, thank you for watching and commenting.
To answer your question, I would invite you to watch my unboxing video of this air rifle. Short answer, I like it. ;-)
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just like the 1377,,the front post is to fat,,, can't fine aim your shots,, I've had several over the years,,and I always shave the post thinner,,also the front post is too low, that's why they tend to shoot high,,so I put flame to the front post,then squeeze it with pliers,,to raise it,,after it dries,make sure it's straight,,then fine shave the post to preference,, hope this helps someone
Thank you for watching and commenting your advice and experience.
Did you ever mod to include baker power valve?
No mods made.
Hay Ben! So may I suggest the Crosman Essential pellets are probably rebranded SMK spitfire pellets. My question is will this air rifle be powerful enough to be a small game hunter and how far is it going to be accurate? Great job Ben!
My 22 and my 25 conversion shoot great out to 40 yards. I'm shooting the CPUMs in the 22 and my cast 27 grain in the 25.
I can't find a good picture of the suggested pellets. Should have known you would send me on some British pellet goose chase. ;-) lol
As you're aware, 12 FPE takes small game in England every day, at appropriate distance and with proper shot placement. This gun exceeds that nicely. I would say comfortably this is a small game gun easily out to 20-30 yards, form an energy perspective. Accuracy of the gun and shooter may shorten that by a bit.
Thank you as always for your kind words of support and being a loyal viewer.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Good morning Ben, You may want to start using a real search engine like Duck Duck Go. LOL! Many pictures in images of the spitfires. The G one is rigged with ads and propaganda! BTW, I think it's awesome you polished the barrel. What do you think of your results? Most report polishing increases the barrel accuracy and makes them less pellet picky. Let us know in the next one.
ROFL!! Good point on the search engines. As I said, a good picture. What I'm finding are not close up or well defined to see sufficient detail for me to feel comfortable comparing the two pellets. Same challenge on DDG. Perhaps my Google-fu/DDG-fu is weaker than yours. :-D
I did find a video though that had an ok close up of an open tin. From the look of what I'm seeing in this video (again not as clean of a picture as I would prefer), there are differences in the Crosman Essential and the SMK Spitfire that makes me think maybe not the same pellets. Specifically, the back of the head on the CE is sloped at a shallow angle to the waste of the pellet, while the Spitfire seems be more abrupt in angle from the pellet head to the waste of the skirt. Both have the grooves on the skirt but the CE has those grooves continuing up the back of the head and terminating at the wide part of the head. The spitfire grooves on the skirt seem to terminate at the waste of the pellet.
I don't think I did enough before testing to give a quantifiable assessment of the results of the polishing. It sure made things shiny inside the barrel though. LOL
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Wow I did not look that detailed at the spitfire pellets. You know JSB produces 4 slightly different pellets one for each contract company of Air Arms, FX, and Daystate. I figured this may be what is going on with these Crosman? You do have to admit the pellets and tin design is strikingly similar. Plus since Crosman / Benjamin was bought out be a holding company (now Velocity - Outdoors) about 5 years ago they have outsourced a lot more of their products. Regarding velocity with your new breech and bolt probe: I had a slight blow by leak around one of my probes fixed by a slightly thicker probe o-ring. My extended probe was a tad thinner. You may want to find a feather and check. I always got about a 4-5% increase in my 2 breech probe conversions.
I was thinking about getting that same rifle stand. Is it any good?
It's inexpensive and is "good enough", for the price. It's light which makes it easy to transport but also makes it sometimes less stable than a heavier model. The front rest isn't terrible great and can be a little wobbly in that it has loose threads. But it's good enough for what I'm doing with it. Better product would come with better/higher price. So it's really a trade off.
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It is difficult to hear you over that silly "talking Chronograph"!
Also, I was watching you pump. Try to pause, just a bit, at the top of the stroke to fully let air in! Still looking for accuracy info on this gun ... ...
It would be nice to have the part number or link to that steel breech you installed.
Lots of vital info is left out of this video!!!
Thank you for the feedback on the chronograph. This was the first video that I attempting a voice over track. I clearly needed to tone down the chronograph track audio. You're not the first person to make that observation. A work in progress we shall say. 😀
Accuracy info has not been produced for a very good reason. I had to RMA this gun for damage to the crown. The replacement arrived yesterday. Stay tuned.
The steel breech is the standard Crosman steel breech. I thought I said as much but if I didn't, my mistake.
As I've mentioned in another reply, this was a velocity video. I had other plans for the series that were put on hold due to the RMA. Based on feedback for my other videos where I crammed everything into one long video, I'm breaking things up topically.
Other than accuracy and parts list of aftermarket mods used, are there any other requests you would like to see?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Accuracy, Accuracy, Accuracy. Without accuracy, all the fps of even 16" battleship guns are worth nothing.
I couldn't agree more. You're preaching to the choir.
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA What in your opinion, is the limiting factor in airgun accuracy? Sure, I can vastly overspend for a "Raw" brand airgun, but why can't we, in the lower-budget arena, have better accuracy?
Case in point: Crosman just introduced a new pumper -- Model 362. After MANY tweaks of this & that (new steel chamber, new valve, etc.), some YT guy was able to achieve 0.64" group sizes at about 20 yards or so. This is nonsense to me -- coming from a firearms background! Why should Airgunners have to live with such low accuracies? I DEMAND same-hole accuracy (Scoped) at 20 yards & beyond.
Until I can see reviews of such, I'll keep my new Daisy 880!
That's a fantastic question! When it comes to firearms, varying quality levels dictate accuracy, just as with air rifles.
Accuracy is the result of consistency, in my opinion. That consistency includes shooter mechanics, ammunition, and gun. In the case of ammunition, consistency of the projectile manufacture and of the powder charge (powder burner) affects accuracy. In the case of air guns, similarly the release of air can vary outcomes along with variations in the pellets. In addition, there is the projectile length/weight as it relates to rifling twist rates in barrels and matching those up. Then when we get to the guns themselves, the quality of the barrel manufacturing process matters, smoothness of the trigger group, hammers, valves, etc all have impacts. Getting into crazy fine tuning, there is the impact of barrel harmonics that combined with variations in pellet velocities from variations in air releases may cause the pellets to leave the barrel at different points in the harmonics of the barrels.
Even in firearms a match grade .22 LR rifle will not shoot to its full potential without the right ammo. Also a stock 10/22 will likely be less accurate than a match grade gun, and pricing shows that. Sure, people will talk of their rare one off bulk manufactured gun that outshot their Olympian buddy's match gun (hyperbole here), but broad strokes, higher priced guns and ammo get you better accuracy.
If you think about it, a firearm is a less complex machine than is an air rifle. It has fewer moving parts and fewer items to tune and get right/wrong. So that an airgun is more of a challenge to get to equal accuracy really doesn't surprise me form the engineering perspective.
Extended probes are a waste of money. The crosman steel breeches are machined terribly.
How are these two statements connected? What about the poor machining causes extended bolt probed to be a waste of money, in your opinion?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA Sorry im replying from another channel I got the notification via email. The statements are not connected. Ive built and tested dozens of these. If you get an increase in fps from either mod, its because you made a better seal on assembly than it had from the factory. Other than having a dovetail and being slightly more durable the steel breech is a waste because the plastic breech actual seals better. Every extended bolt will cost fps. People think of the air traveling but its actually a matter of compression ratio not flow. Think of the gun as an engine, the valve is the cylinder and the breech is the head. When the pellet is pushed further down the barrel it makes a for larger "compression chamber" resulting in a lower "compression ratio" and lost velocity. Dont get stuck on the idea of the pellet skirt residing over the hole and "impeding flow". It doestn work like that, pure breech pressure is what initially drives the pellet, not dynamic flow. On my other comment about the nitrile tubing, it makes a far better seal than the metal to metal transfer port setup. Just have to use the perfect diameter tubing and cut it to the perfect length. Trust me its literally thousands of hours of testing with these.
The reason they use a metal transfer port setup is more about locating and locking down the barrel. As ling as you shim the barrel in the breech and locate it precisely you will see a significant gain in fps qnd consistency from using tubing to seal the valve to the barrel. The barrel band will keep it all in place. If you see a drop its because you got the tubing pinched on assembly. Be patient, the more you do it the easier it gets.
That all makes excellent sense. The analogy with the car engine is a good one.
I've always understood the power generated by a gun (air or powder burning) to be caused by the expansion of gas (compressed or generated from a chemical reaction).
So in the case of air guns, it's a matter of the expansion of a compressed volume of air that accelerates the pellet/BB down the barrel as that compressed volume of air expands to equalize with current atmospheric pressure.
In the case of the Crosman design, that expansion begins at the point of release from the valve. So the air is expanding out of the valve, through the transfer port, behind the pellet, through the barrel, and outside the barrel once the pellet exits the barrel.
So question regarding the skirt placement over the transfer port versus pushed in front of it.
As I think about that setup, with the skirt partially behind the front edge of the transfer port, would that not permit some amount of this air to go in the gap at the waist of the of the pellet rather than being part of the air compressing behind the skirt? Your point is well taken though that with the pellet forward of the port, the air from the valve has expanded and expended more of it's energy before contact with the pellet than if the pellet is at stock position, partially covering the port. However, in that some amount of air is already bypassing the skirt to go directly behind the head, some amount of compression is lost at that point regardless.
I realize this all rather academic and nerdy levels, but I do enjoy those parts of the sport. What are you thoughts about the manner in which I'm thinking about this?
@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA the breakdown of the engineering is actually what drives my interest in the hobby. I see your point, however also consider that the dome of the pellet does still impede the escape of the compressed gas. Not totally, but by the time any significant amount is "in front" of the entire pellet, the pellset has already begun it's travel and accelerated far faster from the seal compressed air behind the skirt, making any potential loss negligible if not entirely void, using again the engine analogy, and it would be scavenged air because of bernouli's principle. The "compression ratio" and velocity is a greater factor than total flow. Let's also not dismiss the fact that some pellets have a deeper, or shallower skirt, resulting in a variance in the location of the pellet in relation to the transfer port once the bolt is fully closed. No matter how many times I have tested an extended bolt vs. a standard bolt, the extended has never given better results when properly assembled and sealed. P.S.... My 362 arrived today and I will without a doubt be modding it eventually. The build quality is phenomenal, dare I say the best quality per dollar I have ever spent on any rifle. It might take me a few months but my intention is to document and produce a video of the process and the results. I will do my best to remember to notify you. My airgun channel is called "Monkey Paw". If you search Crosman 2260 Pistol you should be able to find it. It' is nothing to bark about, I just started it with a couple short videos and haven't promoted it yet.
You can get 700 fps out of it if you go 10 pumps it's okay 😎for the peep sight losing little back screw up and rotate the sight around to the square open-top sight.🤣🤣🤣
For review purposes I keep inside of manufacturer specs generally.
Thank you for the tip in the sight. Must have missed that in the manual.
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@@GuidersGunGuideGGG-USA got it👍🏾
Sure, you can over-pump it, you won't gain much power, but just like the 2100, over-pumping results in some of the air not being released from the air chamber. Unless you replace the hammer spring with a stiffer spring, or replace the hammer with a heavier hammer. That will hold the valve open a little longer and release all the air. Even stock, once the hammer spring starts to get weak, you'll start to notice a little air remaining in the chamber after each shot. My 2100 is old and is doing that now, needs a new hammer spring.
Excellent point.
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So possible 670fps is best that crossman will do?
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The reflection of a tree blocked your monitor screen. Could not see any numbers.
Yeah noticed that in post production. Sadly I didn't catch it to do a reshoot and I haven't been able to get back to making more content since this video...yet.
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