My Dad was a career soldier. 1944-1968. Infantry. He received 2 Purple Hearts, Bronze Star and 3 Combat Infantrymans Badges. I was too young to remember when he deployed to Vietnam but my first vivid memory is when he came home in 1966. We went to Fort Benning where he was an instructor at the Infantry School. He would sit in the dining room reading casualty reports, looking for the Men he had trained. Sometimes he would sit out at the airfield and watch the coffins coming off the planes. He never talked about what happened in combat but sometimes, he would drift off and we knew ....
You, your dad have my utmost respect and to those that fought and those that fought and died. I too am a military brat. My dad fought 1943 thru 1965. He has two battlefield campaigns, two bronze stars, fought at Philippines and Okinawa . He also fought in Korea in 1951. He fought in VietNam in 1963. As an advisor. Last duty station Fort Gordon. Lived in Frankfort Germany in late 50’s. My dad never spoke of the war with exception of US 109 mm recoiled the Koreans captured. Not knowing how it worked they sat all the dignitaries behind the gun and fired. After killing all the dignitaries they thought they must have had the gun sighted 180 dogs wrong and again set a new seat of dignitaries behind the weapon and fired. They got wiped out too. The only time I saw my dad cry was when we lost our mom to cancer.
@@williammarsh4120 My Dad was at Layte, fought the liberation of Luzon and Manilla. He didn't talk a lot about Korea, other than meeting Hal Moore. He was very honored to have met him. He married my Mom in '53 and they deployed to Augsburg, Germany in '57 where he was an Instructor at the NCO Academy. They loved Germany. You know the old saying, you come back from Germany with 3 things: A stereo, a cuckoo clock and a baby. I was born a few months after they returned stateside. Sounds like our Dad's chewed some of the same ground. We're so lucky to be the children of such great Men!
My dad as a Lieutenant met Abrams. Not sure what his rank was. My dad’s men were guarding the CP in the field. He also knew Patton’s grandson a Captain in Germany. I was born in 51. The exchange was 4 marks to the dollar. I went into the Army as a Lt in 75. I spent 6 mos at Wildflecken Germany TDY. I was in a couple of years. I was stationed at Foot Hood, Tx after IOBC. My dad allows said MacArthur had no use for the Marines and he gave the easiest assignments. No doubt a Army vs Navy thing. Every Marine I ever met in business etc.. we’re stand up guys.
I actually met general hal Moore in the Atlanta airport. When he saw my 1st cavalry patch, he kind of teared up and asked how his boys were doing in Iraq. He was a great man and a real leader.
Well done. You did a good job with this. I have an older brother who was in Vietnam in the late '60s. He started his tour in Saigon, then in the Central Highlands. By the time his tour ended, he was also up near the DMZ. He saw it all. So I say "Thank you!" to my brother. "Thank you for your service." .
I arrived in the 1st Cav in July 1966 as a young officer. They were still talking about the Ia Drang battle, usually in quiet voices. They spread out maps and showed me where it was. Nobody was sure what had happened, and what the battle was about. All they knew was that it was big, more US and enemy casualties than ever since. The rest of my first year was relatively quiet. Twenty years later I read that General Westmoreland's big mistake was that after Ia Drang he had left the 1st Cav operating in the Central Highlands, while the VC and NVA was taking over the villages and farms of the lowlands. His mistake is why I had a quiet year leading my team around the beautiful mountain forests, the beaches and hamlets of the countryside and lived to come home, and do a second tour in 1970 -- after the 68 and 69 Tet Offensives had practically wiped out the enemy from the area around Saigon. Another tense but quiet year for me. I now know how lucky I was.
Just watched the making of When We Were Soldiers. This is a very informative follow up. Having grown up in the '60's, this was the nightly news. My heart goes out to those who served, thank you for your service. Godspeed.
Col. Moore's book is awesome, the bravery of both sides needs to be acknowledged here. After his return to meet his foes many years later shows how much mutual respect they had for each other. What a terrible war.
11:00 “you forget about that one. You keep them coming in, you’re doing well son.” Col. Moore actually said that to Hastings. Such an amazing leader. RIP LTG Moore.
In my opinion, this is one of the best military movies ever. This movie touches on every aspect of military life, from the soldiers to the wife's. My wife has watched this movie only once, and she will never watch it again. To this day, she will not answer the door, and my last tour was from 06-08 in Iraq. Infantry wives are special. We never come back the same.
Mel Gibson did a great job of bringing this epic battle to life. I realize that ‘broken arrow’ is a last ditch effort to save a complete overrun of enemy troops, but killing your own men is still hard to handle. I feel sorry for all concerned. They were all heroes in my eyes.
@RivetGardener I actually have one of the first copies! I was a young bag-boy, carrying out some lady's groceries and I was immediately drawn to the cover of the book, since I have been obsessed with the Vietnam War for as long as I can remember, and she gave it to me as a tip! I still have it!
@@hrdknox2000 Good deal! I still look at situational maps and movement maps o the battle just to wrap my head around all LTC Moore was dealing with. Hard to find on the internet fighting through all the junk and fluff.
4 months later I was Drafted in Army 4th Infantry Division. I walked that Ground in 1966 and that picture put it more in perspective to me...God Bless all those Guy's, that was "Hell in Real Time..."
My uncle who fought in this war always told us the soldiers didn’t lose this war, but that politicians didn’t let them finish and then mishandled everything afterwards, so that the perception is they did lose the war. Swing videos like this makes you understand exactly what my uncle meant. They won the battles, they won the war, politics after lost everything they fought and too many had died for. Same could be said about Afghanistan today
thanx Daren...after convincing the montagnards to fight we abandoned them. I live with that to this day..3RD CAG USMC 70-71 with thr yards and defending the knut
@@Formaldehydex oh come on now...don't say things like that...who could've know which side is right or wrong...soldiers are just trained to fight to win a war...
Part time wars do not work. WW2 had women in converted chocolate factories making grenades. VIetnam, had people in Muscle cars ,diving to Janis Joplin concerts while NASA put a man on the moon.
When I lived in Crested Butte Colorado I met Hal Moore and we became friends. He was a Civil war buff as I was and we would talk for hours. When I told him that I had read his book he offered to take my copy to New York where he was to meet with Joe. I have that book signed by both.
I suppose you did not ask him why he continued to press the battle after learning of the existence of an overwhelming enemy force at an early time of the engagement?
Thanks for this. When this was released I was in a VA med center among many Vietnam Vets awaiting different procedures, & watching this movie sent several over the edge, swearing they recognized certain hills. It was so sad seeing their instant maximum PTSD shock response. They had to leave the movie room & go be sedated. They said it was the most accurate movie they'd seen. Much appreciation to all Vietnam Vets, along with all other Vets!
That does seem like a really poor choice in movie genre considering the clientele and the place but I'm not doubting your story as there's no reason to lie about that and protocol gets broken from time to time. Whoever played the movie for them is a real genius. What an idiot.
I fought with the 25th Infantry as a11D recon during the 1968 TET Offensive. We knew we would lose in the end. with a War being fought on a pool table in Washington by politicians but we were warriors and fought like warriors. Called Pride
Awesome video!! Thanks for adding the actions at LZ Albany as well - was a way more brutal battle than at X-Ray. Have studied this battle and even wrote a term paper about for school. The actions of the American leaders at Albany were unforgiveable the way just about all of them went forward to question the prisoners and leaving their respective units strung out like they were. However, they were NOT really expecting contact with the enemy after what had happened at X-Ray and, once they realized what was about to be unleashed on them from what the prisoners were telling them, it was way too late. The actions at X-Ray were seen by the US leadership as a VICTORY, while the actions at Albany are barely spoken about.
The situation at LZ Albany could've nearly turned into the Vietnam War's own version of the varian disaster had it not been for the actions of the one company commander rushing back to his men at the end of the column.
I was in the unit that was in the battle at la Drang Valley. It used to be the 9th Infantry. I was shipped to Korea prior to the change-over and ended up in Phan Ranh Rang, Vietnam in 1966-67. Glad I missed it.
@@eb2957 Easy for you to say. Just look my name up on the web. magicvalley.com/vietnam-war-vet-dan-wayment-awarded-nearly-50-years-after-service/image_e87a0669-2227-514e-8574-3dc37cc4c320.html
I looked you up. Your profile pic and your other pics. NINE military medals. - It's too bad you have to defend yourself online. I guess that's what's been going on the climate of stolen valor. - Thank you for your service.
My father had tremendous PTSD from fighting the Japanese in Pacific. After seeing what he went thru, I didn’t want you or anyone going thru what he went thru!!
I have watch this movie 3 time and these soldiers are the real deal,God bless all of them that gave all. I was in Vietnam 70-71 with the 937th Combat Eng.Grp.at Lane Army Heliport.
Yeah, spraying civilians with toxic chemicals that still cause horrific birth defects..thanks....The USA supporting the murderous Khmer Rouge at the UN until the early 1990s...Trying to prop up puppet Governments that oppressed their own people...Thanks..cunts.
As an American, I'm gonna have to throw you a no on that. Of course I generally support our soldiers and veterans and thank them for their service but the world owes them absolutely nothing for Vietnam.
The problem with the whole body count strategy was an underlying assumption that the NVA and Vietnamese Liberation Front could only afford to lose so many when if fact it was the Americans who had a much lower threshold for bodies they could afford to lose. And it makes sense.
here's a nut shell.... after the berlin war came down n information could be bought about top secret documents in russia ........documents revealed they china n russia received funds from the same parties that made money building and selling arms to our forces.... parties gave funds n a copy of their checks were disclosed. after russia fell full disclosure was discovered it was open bribes to keep russia and china governments in Nam n keep the war going to max profits from the U.S. public! thank the Good Lord for opening Hell for his creation man not just the fallen angels in which hell was really created for!!!!!!!!!!!!! john 3:17kjv
For the BOG, that strategy became a measurement for the odds. A way to measure the ratio of US vs Them. WE knew what was acceptable. Washington was clueless. Same as Afghanistan. Same as Iraq.
@@savagex466-qt1io In Korea, attacking the North on its territory drew in the Chinese which ultimately was very bad for the US/allies. I think the US was trying to avoid a similar event in Vietnam.
I have the only autograph book by Hal Moore, Bruce Crandall, Ed Freeman, Joe Galloway, Walter Marm, Basil Plummley and 50+ additional troopers from the battle. Back of book dedicated from Barbara and Camille Geoghgen with many 35mm pictures from the 2005 reunion in DC. What a great thrill to interview these men.
Mel Gibson nailed hacksaw ridge and we were soldiers. I would love to see him do the story of the Star spangled banner. You know the Star spangled banner as you've never heard it. That'll make a hell of a movie
This is why "We Were Soldiers", is the best Vietnam War movie ever made, because of how this film honored the North Vietnamese soldiers who fought on the other side. Even though I am still against Mel Gibson, because of how when he was arrested for DUI and made those absolutely unacceptable remarks of bigotry to the arresting police officer in 2006. As a patriotic American who took part in a protest against the Vietnam War in 1971, I respect the North Vietnamese soldiers who fought on the other side for their country. But, I am also against Jane Fonda for the treason she committed against our country!
Whenever I see film or video reports about this battle or the movie I weep for the bravery, and heroic efforts of all the forces involved. If politicians would just get of the way of our forces in all branches we could never lose.
I'm sure it's already been said here, but I'll say it again... volunteer or draftee, Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, or Navy, each and every veteran of the Vietnam War deserves a hell of a hearty "thank you" and for those who have it coming, an even bigger apology (for the dirty names etc...).
Didnt the major flying wounded out, get hit by like 6 or 7 rounds and kept flying guys out? Gargantuan balls of steels. Damn those guys were just built different.
Modern history usually portrays US forces as getting whipped and roundly defeated in Vietnam, as the end of this video seems to be saying. In reality, there were no US combat forces remaining in Vietnam "by April 30th, 1975." In reality, the US military involvement in the War ended in early 1973 with Operation Linebacker II, which devastated nearly all military facilities in North Vietnam and resulted in all US POWs being released. By 1975, the North Vietnamese had regrouped and were able to overrun the South with no American forces present. Yes, the US lost the political war, but militarily they did not lose.
I think the dems ran that war, they had no definition of victory. Therefore no place to exit. If they had, it would have ended and we might have had a force there like in Korea or Germany
@@outdoorlife5396 The Democrats definitely ran the Vietnam war until Nixon came into office. And even then it remained a very limited war because of the Democrats in Congress. But, in late 1972 Nixon ordered Operation Linebacker II, which devastated North Vietnam and ended America's involvement. Had such happened earlier in the War it would've have probably ended in an American victory. General Giap said, after Linebacker, that if it had continued another week the North would've have been forced to surrender.
@@outdoorlife5396 I was there for the last 27 months of the war and I saw what happened to North in 72-73. Almost every military target or installation in the country was destroyed. ruclips.net/video/Y1wlcUTehqk/видео.html The US lost very few engagements.
@@bantumwt :- You might say that the U.S. won most battles but lost the war. There could be no win, when every single objective given for the U.S. presence in Viet Nam was lost when the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong completed their take-over of the entire country.
My platoon Sargent said the day he arrived in Viet Nam,for his first tour. They were having a parade to give some colonel a medal for calling in a napalm strike on his own position.He related this story in 1973.I later saw this movie I just wonder if it was Hal Moore they were awarding a medal to.
Hal Moore retired to the town I went to attended college at...which is also where Band of Brothers counterpart, The Pacific, primary reference Eugene Sledge also attended...Col Moore lived in Auburn, AL until his death a few years ago. For some reason, somehow I missed knowing that during my time in Auburn which was 5 years and probably another year if add up the rest of the time...I only mention because if I would have known I would have requested an opportunity to meet, speak or listen and learn from him...he truly was an American hero...a word thrown around too loosely these days... Col Moore was a patriot, a warrior, a born leader, compassionate, caring, sincere, respectful just a great man. I've spoken to many who did get the honor to meet with him or know him...Auburn is basically the University and not much else...although has had an exponential influx of people moving to the area over the past decade or so...probably around 100K or so with 30-35K being students...Many people, high profile to common "folks" often move back to Auburn which is not that common...In the south, the only other town/city I know this to happen in Oxford, MS. Col Moore was ordered to conduct an impossible mission without much intel...truly amazing more young kids did not die...they could have easily been slaughtered...LBJ and his cronies still give me creep to this day...and I'm an old man... by the way, another tidbit of history, the 1st American killed on the ground in Afghanistan after 9/11 was Michael Johnny Spann...he was one of the 2 CIA operatives who were ordered to oversee hundreds of Taliban prisoners at a multi-century old prison, fortress...He was a young man...having graduated from AU about 5-6 years after I did...I graduated with my 2nd or post-grad Doctorate in 1990...He has only been with the agency for a few years yet obviously impressed enough people or perhaps didn't and was sent to that hell hole...cost him his life...Col Moore was fortunate to survive as was Eugene Sledge...Today, we do not have men such as this that we know about although there is a strong, prestigious Naval Aviator curriculum at Auburn...numerous pilots, astronauts, and military leaders...Yet most think of the athletes like Bo Jackson and Charles Barkley...Cam Newton or corporate big wigs like Tim Cook, classic 70s-80s musicians like Jimmy Buffet, Toni Tanille of Captn & Tanille and Academy Award Winning actors/actresses like Octavia Spencer, etc...yet of all these, the 3 I mentioned first should have statues on campus or in town because they all were true hero's.
Met General Moore many times along with General Morris Brady who commanded the helicopter unit that flew the 1st of the 7th in and out of x-ray. Army Aviation Heritage Foundation located in Hampton Ga was founded by Mike Brady the son of Morris. I flew with them in airshows across the U.S. for a few yrs. Gen. Moore was a regular at the hanger along with countless others who served over there. The movie company was slated to use our aircraft in the making of the movie We were soldiers but at the last minute we were informed the movie company would use their own pilots. The General was told "Our pilots are professionals" his reply "Yeah but my pilots did it for real" that ended that and our aircraft stayed home.
The second time in history that shows, the military is not to be used as a police force but instead should be allowed to use a take no prisoners approach to conquer all.
More than once we have been used our soldiers our military has political Pawns Look at Afghanistan and we just keep on doing it All we do is lose our young people's lives it's live mess them up I support Go troops When will we ever learn I don't think ever I'm over 62 years old I remember a lot of this I do think of sad
I served in Vietnam, it's a shame that we lost that war because our President and Defense Secretary ran this war and placed so many restrictions on our troops and air forces. We never held the ground we took. We lost people then gave back to the VC. And Westmoreland was the worst Commander they could ever have had to lead out military in Vietnam.
johnson knew nothing about military tactics and should have been working for Taco Bell in Dallas, he left a terrible legacy of stupid blunders and showed no understanding of the men who fought there.
The prisoners that gave up so easily were probably part of the overall plan for the Albany ambush, to stop the column and allow the NVA to sneak into position.The brass totally underestimated the enemy. We needed more field grade officers like Col. Moore. The General that decided to use only 8 helios to ferry an airborne assault should have had to ride on the first chopper in. I have always had total respect for those that did the fighting, but none for the idiots sitting in quiet comfort with their maps and crayons: civilian or military. McNamara and Westmoreland are the first that come to mind.
I grew up.watching the Vietnam war on television it was depressing in 1965 through 1969 thats when I got drafted into the Army thank God I ended up in supply and not infantry plus got sent to South Korea
But why was America in Vietnam? And like the war, all battles were lost. History is awesome, and as an infantry vet, still don't understand this war that was not just about Vietnam, America and France attacked neigbouring countries and destroyed millions of lives, giving rise to regimes such as the Khmer Rouge.
There was a woman spokesman for the VC that said that the North Vietnamese would never lose a war to a country that ate instant breakfast and she was right
The USA was able to win the battle of the Ia Drang Valley, but just like I experienced in Afghanistan, the lack of commitment and the president's incompetence cost the war. I may also add that for the people in Vietnam, just like in Afghanistan, freedom meant nothing. For people in Afghanistan just like in Vietnam in those days, they just wanted to survive, that is all. Proportionally we, the USA, end up killing way more enemy combatants than they kill ours. In Vietnam, they are still feeling the effects of the war, and I hope that we never have to fight another war unless it is truly necessary.
These men fought like hell, men walking out to Albany didn't stand a chance when they got hit, I'm surprised any of them made it through the night. It's a shame the higher ups ignored the intelligence that was coming out of the Ia Drang, When Moore was given orders, in the movie they showed a map where American unit was, but had no information about NVA strength, well that unit was the C troop 1 sq 9th Air Cav, they found a large hospital complex and spent a couple of days in a fight with the NVA who wanted it back. That complex alone should have told them they were looking at ,at least 1000 NVA/VC. At the end of the movie, they do run the names of members of C troop who were killed during the fight. Oh I didn't like the ending, the NVA never came in afterwards to collect or bury the dead, they left them lay, I know because when I went through a couple of months later on, there were human remains all over the place.
Hey, just discovered your channel and subscribed! Good videos! Clear explanation of what happened without apportioning blame, at least in the few I've seen. In the process of watching the rest! Are you still producing these videos?
Mac namera says so what? He admitted all was a scam; and I got to bag many guys after they were flown to my LPH 2.we had a make shift mourge in the ships tractor space. Burnt flesh gives one a gag reflex...tough going to the dentist these days...
As the intro scrolls through some war photographs, at 16:59 is an image from the movie Black Hawk Down. Is it asking too much of History Radar to pay attention to the simple things? In case you are still confused, the Vietnam War stretched from the 1960’s to 1975. The movie Black Hawk Down tells the story of military action which occurred in 1993.
@@stoneymcneal2458 Um, you came in hot, pointed out a "mistake", and accused the videomaker of not paying enough attention. THEN, you went on "educate" this _clearly knowledgeable_ channel about when the Vietnam War was vs. when BLACK HAWK DOWN happened. (I'm surprised you didn't also launch into a "lesson" about Stalingrad, since that's the map in the background. "Stalingrad isn't in Vietnam...!") Now, you're playing it off as though you totally understood that the image in question is part of channel's standard intro? C'mon, man. Just admit you _completely_ goofed and made a fool of yourself. It's okay, we all do. But trying to pretend you didn't? That's just ... that's just bad.
@@AngeloBarovierSD Nice try at baiting me smart ass. Given the rather rookie error pointed out by me, I assumed this channel was the “knowledgeable entity you claim it to be. As for coming in hot … my initial comments were delivered in a calm manner. Next time you wish to tell a person how hot, cold, or tepid their comments were, perhaps you should have a firmer grasp on things. We are done.
It’s funny but this is exactly what US leadership wanted. Large masses of NVA troops charging outnumbered entrenched US soldiers. Out in the open where artillery and air power could do a lot of the heavy lifting. Rather than going out into the jungle in small groups to contact with Vietcong irregulars. I mean that was the whole point of Khe Sanh. It was bait. Whether or not this idea would have worked or not... It never really came to be. But we wanted to fight the NVA regulars in conventional battles. Even if we were outnumbered...
We should not have sent ground troops to get involved in a foreign civil war. But that is hindsight. Training, materiel and other support, but not ground troops. The Korean war happened just 12 years before 1965 and was fresh in their minds. Leaders were operating under the "Domino" Theory.
We started it. We asked Ho Chi Minh to throw the Japanese out of Vietnam after Korea. We even helped. After he did it, we gave Vietnam back to the Frech, who he threw out. Vietnam did not belong to the French.
@@danwayment6842 Not sure what you mean about us wanting Ho to throw the Japanese after Korea. After Korea? As for the rest of your post, yes, we should not have given VN back to the French. But there still would have been a conflict between pro-commie and anti-commie factions in the country. Ho would have still tried to force communism on the whole of the country.
@@philgainey2663 So? We wanted HO to throw the Japanese out, sorry, after WWII. There would not have been a conflict at that time. Even so, They still are Commies and we lost 58,000. let them have a civil war. They threw the French out.
Anyone who can read a map and wanted to have the best shot at winning the war should have immediately made Cambodia and Thailand launching points for American ground troops and the south China Sea the launching point for unrestricted carrier attacks into NV...whatever the diplomatic/military requirements for said action that should have been on the table from day 1. By not doing that you pretty much tied one hand and two feet behind your back and made the end game too easy for the bad guys. A real clusterfuck of a strategy (an old U.S. Recon Marine vet. and now retired multi degreed Aerospace Engineer who spent 36 years working for a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
Yep, we could have run over the whole damn country in a couple of weeks. The fact that the way to do it is so obvious, and that we didn't do it, should tell you something about why we were really there in the first place. If you worked for a defense contractor, you probably already know the answer.
Been to Lz albany, LZ X RAY, PLEMI ME, were we en countered enemy nva forces , will always run when encountered american M60 tanks and APC M113 a2. 4th inf div. 69th armor.
Well then please explain Hill 875 to me. We knew the NVA was there in superior numbers, and dug in, waiting for us. Exactly what was it they learned from this battle only two years earlier? We did a WW I Hay diddle-diddle straight up the middle maneuver on that one. After we were stopped the NVA tried to cut us in half. The entire hill was pre-registered for artillery.. Seems we were there so some big officers could earn some medals.
If THESE guy's hadn't had it, along with the artillery,, this would have been the 1965 version of Custer's last stand..No American would have left that area alive.."We were Soldier's?? Yeah,,and "We were Stupid"..
I ponder to this day that we never learned any lessens 0f how previously French Forces, even with u.s. aid were soundly defeated even BEFORE we intervened...! Jn
G'day guys, in my small town of Yamba, Northern New South Wale Australia, was my dads mate Billy Backster, died recently, he was the training and recon trainer to the South Vietnamese, he warned the U.S that there was a large force, maybe 10k or more in the area, at the time we did not relises the Viet-cong were under ground, but they were there, his recon was tracking and surveilling them, he personally told the U.S force not to go in, let then finish off their recon, but to no eviel, you lost 3/4 of your men, through pure arrogance, and simply not listening. Go figure.
@@baronedipiemonte3990 There you go anachronism, how's that, not our fault you clowns have lost every war picked, and turned up late to WW2, oh and WW1
My Dad was a career soldier. 1944-1968. Infantry. He received 2 Purple Hearts, Bronze Star and 3 Combat Infantrymans Badges. I was too young to remember when he deployed to Vietnam but my first vivid memory is when he came home in 1966. We went to Fort Benning where he was an instructor at the Infantry School. He would sit in the dining room reading casualty reports, looking for the Men he had trained. Sometimes he would sit out at the airfield and watch the coffins coming off the planes. He never talked about what happened in combat but sometimes, he would drift off and we knew ....
That's damn heavy.
In gods hands we command oursself ,gen relee
You, your dad have my utmost respect and to those that fought and those that fought and died. I too am a military brat. My dad fought 1943 thru 1965. He has two battlefield campaigns, two bronze stars, fought at Philippines and Okinawa . He also fought in Korea in 1951. He fought in VietNam in 1963. As an advisor. Last duty station Fort Gordon. Lived in Frankfort Germany in late 50’s. My dad never spoke of the war with exception of US 109 mm recoiled the Koreans captured. Not knowing how it worked they sat all the dignitaries behind the gun and fired. After killing all the dignitaries they thought they must have had the gun sighted 180 dogs wrong and again set a new seat of dignitaries behind the weapon and fired. They got wiped out too. The only time I saw my dad cry was when we lost our mom to cancer.
@@williammarsh4120 My Dad was at Layte, fought the liberation of Luzon and Manilla. He didn't talk a lot about Korea, other than meeting Hal Moore. He was very honored to have met him. He married my Mom in '53 and they deployed to Augsburg, Germany in '57 where he was an Instructor at the NCO Academy. They loved Germany. You know the old saying, you come back from Germany with 3 things: A stereo, a cuckoo clock and a baby. I was born a few months after they returned stateside.
Sounds like our Dad's chewed some of the same ground. We're so lucky to be the children of such great Men!
My dad as a Lieutenant met Abrams. Not sure what his rank was. My dad’s men were guarding the CP in the field. He also knew Patton’s grandson a Captain in Germany. I was born in 51. The exchange was 4 marks to the dollar. I went into the Army as a Lt in 75. I spent 6 mos at Wildflecken Germany TDY. I was in a couple of years. I was stationed at Foot Hood, Tx after IOBC. My dad allows said MacArthur had no use for the Marines and he gave the easiest assignments. No doubt a Army vs Navy thing. Every Marine I ever met in business etc.. we’re stand up guys.
I actually met general hal Moore in the Atlanta airport. When he saw my 1st cavalry patch, he kind of teared up and asked how his boys were doing in Iraq. He was a great man and a real leader.
That's why he's a legend.
Well done. You did a good job with this.
I have an older brother who was in Vietnam in the late '60s. He started his tour in Saigon, then in the Central Highlands. By the time his tour ended, he was also up near the DMZ. He saw it all. So I say "Thank you!" to my brother.
"Thank you for your service."
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I arrived in the 1st Cav in July 1966 as a young officer. They were still talking about the Ia Drang battle, usually in quiet voices. They spread out maps and showed me where it was. Nobody was sure what had happened, and what the battle was about. All they knew was that it was big, more US and enemy casualties than ever since. The rest of my first year was relatively quiet. Twenty years later I read that General Westmoreland's big mistake was that after Ia Drang he had left the 1st Cav operating in the Central Highlands, while the VC and NVA was taking over the villages and farms of the lowlands. His mistake is why I had a quiet year leading my team around the beautiful mountain forests, the beaches and hamlets of the countryside and lived to come home, and do a second tour in 1970 -- after the 68 and 69 Tet Offensives had practically wiped out the enemy from the area around Saigon. Another tense but quiet year for me. I now know how lucky I was.
thank you for your service. I went in the Army 1975 as Lt. Vietnam was over by than. The volunteer army was just starting.
thank you for your service sir, lets thank to the idiots who are in power now, they are the same with different name :(
Lucky alright, very lucky🇦🇺👍
Thank you for your serviceThank you for your service
Thank you for your service!!
Just watched the making of When We Were Soldiers. This is a very informative follow up. Having grown up in the '60's, this was the nightly news. My heart goes out to those who served, thank you for your service. Godspeed.
You deserve our fight. You are welcome.
Col. Moore's book is awesome, the bravery of both sides needs to be acknowledged here. After his return to meet his foes many years later shows how much mutual respect they had for each other. What a terrible war.
What's the book called? I want to read it
@@jayo3074 Same title as film buddy, a great read!
@@garethadams8837 thanks man
excellent precise and understandable book perhaps it deserved a better film production
11:00 “you forget about that one. You keep them coming in, you’re doing well son.” Col. Moore actually said that to Hastings. Such an amazing leader. RIP LTG Moore.
My husband was there with Colonel Moore
First Calvary
Many thanks for his service to our country.
Do share his story from there.
The UH-1 Iroquois was iconic. Those Army aviators were legendary.
I LOVED that bird! Great aircraft and great crews. --Bob Bailey in Maine
In my opinion, this is one of the best military movies ever. This movie touches on every aspect of military life, from the soldiers to the wife's. My wife has watched this movie only once, and she will never watch it again. To this day, she will not answer the door, and my last tour was from 06-08 in Iraq. Infantry wives are special. We never come back the same.
Mel Gibson did a great job of bringing this epic battle to life. I realize that ‘broken arrow’ is a last ditch effort to save a complete overrun of enemy troops, but killing your own men is still hard to handle. I feel sorry for all concerned. They were all heroes in my eyes.
You gotta read the book.
@RivetGardener I actually have one of the first copies! I was a young bag-boy, carrying out some lady's groceries and I was immediately drawn to the cover of the book, since I have been obsessed with the Vietnam War for as long as I can remember, and she gave it to me as a tip! I still have it!
@@hrdknox2000 Good deal! I still look at situational maps and movement maps o the battle just to wrap my head around all LTC Moore was dealing with. Hard to find on the internet fighting through all the junk and fluff.
4 months later I was Drafted in Army 4th Infantry Division. I walked that Ground in 1966 and that picture put it more in perspective to me...God Bless all those Guy's, that was "Hell in Real Time..."
My uncle who fought in this war always told us the soldiers didn’t lose this war, but that politicians didn’t let them finish and then mishandled everything afterwards, so that the perception is they did lose the war. Swing videos like this makes you understand exactly what my uncle meant. They won the battles, they won the war, politics after lost everything they fought and too many had died for. Same could be said about Afghanistan today
thanx Daren...after convincing the montagnards to fight we abandoned them. I live with that to this day..3RD CAG USMC 70-71 with thr yards and defending the knut
You're right..technically US won..but they abandoned the war so the NVA just picked up where they retreated..
That is because your uncle was clearly fighting for the wrong side.
@@Formaldehydex oh come on now...don't say things like that...who could've know which side is right or wrong...soldiers are just trained to fight to win a war...
Part time wars do not work.
WW2 had women in converted chocolate factories making grenades.
VIetnam, had people in Muscle cars ,diving to Janis Joplin concerts while NASA put a man on the moon.
When I lived in Crested Butte Colorado I met Hal Moore and we became friends. He was a Civil war buff as I was and we would talk for hours. When I told him that I had read his book he offered to take my copy to New York where he was to meet with Joe. I have that book signed by both.
I suppose you did not ask him why he continued to press the battle after learning of the existence of an overwhelming enemy force at an early time of the engagement?
Thanks for this. When this was released I was in a VA med center among many Vietnam Vets awaiting different procedures, & watching this movie sent several over the edge, swearing they recognized certain hills. It was so sad seeing their instant maximum PTSD shock response. They had to leave the movie room & go be sedated. They said it was the most accurate movie they'd seen. Much appreciation to all Vietnam Vets, along with all other Vets!
BS I work for the VA and they would never show combat movies.
@@wxmyjnsn Why would I lie about something like that? It's true. It was in 2k2 at the Leavenworth dom. It sure did happen mr know-it-all-not. FO
That does seem like a really poor choice in movie genre considering the clientele and the place but I'm not doubting your story as there's no reason to lie about that and protocol gets broken from time to time. Whoever played the movie for them is a real genius. What an idiot.
Making someone essentially relieve the worst part of their lives. Hope they were fired immediately. That's insane.
I am confused by you post, this movie wasn't even released until 2002, 27 years after the fall of Vietnam. Sorry but I'm calling your story BS
I fought with the 25th Infantry as a11D recon during the 1968 TET Offensive. We knew we would lose in the end.
with a War being fought on a pool table in Washington by politicians but we were warriors and fought like warriors. Called Pride
welcome home Jimmie, my older brother was drafted sent to nam he made it home
Awesome video!! Thanks for adding the actions at LZ Albany as well - was a way more brutal battle than at X-Ray. Have studied this battle and even wrote a term paper about for school. The actions of the American leaders at Albany were unforgiveable the way just about all of them went forward to question the prisoners and leaving their respective units strung out like they were. However, they were NOT really expecting contact with the enemy after what had happened at X-Ray and, once they realized what was about to be unleashed on them from what the prisoners were telling them, it was way too late. The actions at X-Ray were seen by the US leadership as a VICTORY, while the actions at Albany are barely spoken about.
The situation at LZ Albany could've nearly turned into the Vietnam War's own version of the varian disaster had it not been for the actions of the one company commander rushing back to his men at the end of the column.
I was in the unit that was in the battle at la Drang Valley. It used to be the 9th Infantry. I was shipped to Korea prior to the change-over and ended up in Phan Ranh Rang, Vietnam in 1966-67. Glad I missed it.
Thank you for your service. I was born in Phan Rang. I am now in the US Army.
Yeah you were. Another troll.
@@eb2957 Easy for you to say. Just look my name up on the web. magicvalley.com/vietnam-war-vet-dan-wayment-awarded-nearly-50-years-after-service/image_e87a0669-2227-514e-8574-3dc37cc4c320.html
@@nguyenhuynh3018 Wow. That is great. I was there for 6 months in 1966. Not too far from the airfield.
I looked you up. Your profile pic and your other pics. NINE military medals. - It's too bad you have to defend yourself online. I guess that's what's been going on the climate of stolen valor. - Thank you for your service.
I remember this well, just got my drivers license. Went in the service in March of 69.
My father had tremendous PTSD from fighting the Japanese in Pacific. After seeing what he went thru, I didn’t want you or anyone going thru what he went thru!!
I put aside the politics and just watch was these young men did. Truly amazing. Great video.
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GOOD FOR YOU - I applaud you for putting politics aside, in this day in age you are unique sir!!
You explain the situation and tactics well.
I have watch this movie 3 time and these soldiers are the real deal,God bless all of them that gave all. I was in Vietnam 70-71 with the 937th Combat Eng.Grp.at Lane Army Heliport.
eternal Blessings for another Hero !!!
Thank you. Welcome home
Hmm
GOD Bless These young men. The World owes them THANKS FOR THEIR SERVICE.
Why? What did they accomplish?
Thank you, from a South Vietnamese,
Yeah, spraying civilians with toxic chemicals that still cause horrific birth defects..thanks....The USA supporting the murderous Khmer Rouge at the UN until the early 1990s...Trying to prop up puppet Governments that oppressed their own people...Thanks..cunts.
As an American, I'm gonna have to throw you a no on that. Of course I generally support our soldiers and veterans and thank them for their service but the world owes them absolutely nothing for Vietnam.
The problem with the whole body count strategy was an underlying assumption that the NVA and Vietnamese Liberation Front could only afford to lose so many when if fact it was the Americans who had a much lower threshold for bodies they could afford to lose. And it makes sense.
here's a nut shell.... after the berlin war came down n information could be bought about top secret documents in russia ........documents revealed they china n russia received funds from the same parties that made money building and selling arms to our forces.... parties gave funds n a copy of their checks were disclosed. after russia fell
full disclosure was discovered it was open bribes to keep russia and china governments in Nam n keep the war going to max profits from the U.S. public! thank the Good Lord for opening Hell for his creation man not just the fallen angels in which hell was really created for!!!!!!!!!!!!! john 3:17kjv
I cant belive they never attacked the north more. All you hear about is the south.
If america would have supported the war we could have sent more troops and bombed the shit out of north vietnam and laos and cambodia
For the BOG, that strategy became a measurement for the odds. A way to measure the ratio of US vs Them. WE knew what was acceptable. Washington was clueless. Same as Afghanistan. Same as Iraq.
@@savagex466-qt1io In Korea, attacking the North on its territory drew in the Chinese which ultimately was very bad for the US/allies. I think the US was trying to avoid a similar event in Vietnam.
To those that served…a Thank you that defies being able to fully describe.
I have the only autograph book by Hal Moore, Bruce Crandall, Ed Freeman, Joe Galloway, Walter Marm, Basil Plummley and 50+ additional troopers from the battle. Back of book dedicated from Barbara and Camille Geoghgen with many 35mm pictures from the 2005 reunion in DC. What a great thrill to interview these men.
Plummley stud fighter of epics. WII. Korea Vietnam "gentlemen, prepare to defend yourselves"
Very solid presentation, subscribed!
My father was in country in Nam one month after this battle. He was in the Air Cav 2nd/5th out of Ft. Benning.
Thank him on my behalf, please.
@@zoso73 Thank you will do.
Mel Gibson nailed hacksaw ridge and we were soldiers. I would love to see him do the story of the Star spangled banner. You know the Star spangled banner as you've never heard it. That'll make a hell of a movie
R.I.P Joe Galloway... Your watch is now ended. Garry Owen!!!
This is why "We Were Soldiers", is the best Vietnam War movie ever made, because of how this film honored the North Vietnamese soldiers who fought on the other side. Even though I am still against Mel Gibson, because of how when he was arrested for DUI and made those absolutely unacceptable remarks of bigotry to the arresting police officer in 2006. As a patriotic American who took part in a protest against the Vietnam War in 1971, I respect the North Vietnamese soldiers who fought on the other side for their country. But, I am also against Jane Fonda for the treason she committed against our country!
Whenever I see film or video reports about this battle or the movie I weep for the bravery, and heroic efforts of all the forces involved. If politicians would just get of the way of our forces in all branches we could never lose.
Very well doe, a clear description of the battle. Walking to the second LZ was plain stupid, costing many lives.
I'm sure it's already been said here, but I'll say it again... volunteer or draftee, Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, or Navy, each and every veteran of the Vietnam War deserves a hell of a hearty "thank you" and for those who have it coming, an even bigger apology (for the dirty names etc...).
Amen
Very well done, thank you.
Thank you sir
Didnt the major flying wounded out, get hit by like 6 or 7 rounds and kept flying guys out? Gargantuan balls of steels. Damn those guys were just built different.
Modern history usually portrays US forces as getting whipped and roundly defeated in Vietnam, as the end of this video seems to be saying. In reality, there were no US combat forces remaining in Vietnam "by April 30th, 1975." In reality, the US military involvement in the War ended in early 1973 with Operation Linebacker II, which devastated nearly all military facilities in North Vietnam and resulted in all US POWs being released. By 1975, the North Vietnamese had regrouped and were able to overrun the South with no American forces present. Yes, the US lost the political war, but militarily they did not lose.
I think the dems ran that war, they had no definition of victory. Therefore no place to exit. If they had, it would have ended and we might have had a force there like in Korea or Germany
@@outdoorlife5396 The Democrats definitely ran the Vietnam war until Nixon came into office. And even then it remained a very limited war because of the Democrats in Congress. But, in late 1972 Nixon ordered Operation Linebacker II, which devastated North Vietnam and ended America's involvement. Had such happened earlier in the War it would've have probably ended in an American victory. General Giap said, after Linebacker, that if it had continued another week the North would've have been forced to surrender.
@@bantumwt I agree, but Gen Lee, I am not sure how he spells it, said after Tet it was over, if they had of just continued it
@@outdoorlife5396 I was there for the last 27 months of the war and I saw what happened to North in 72-73. Almost every military target or installation in the country was destroyed. ruclips.net/video/Y1wlcUTehqk/видео.html The US lost very few engagements.
@@bantumwt :- You might say that the U.S. won most battles but lost the war.
There could be no win, when every single objective given for the U.S. presence in Viet Nam was lost when the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong completed their take-over of the entire country.
My platoon Sargent said the day he arrived in Viet Nam,for his first tour. They were having a parade to give some colonel a medal for calling in a napalm strike on his own position.He related this story in 1973.I later saw this movie I just wonder if it was Hal Moore they were awarding a medal to.
Subscribed. Really informative. Thanks for that fella 👍 I had no idea about what happened at L.Z Albany
Great movie and book, must of been hell and some 👊🏼
Hal Moore retired to the town I went to attended college at...which is also where Band of Brothers counterpart, The Pacific, primary reference Eugene Sledge also attended...Col Moore lived in Auburn, AL until his death a few years ago. For some reason, somehow I missed knowing that during my time in Auburn which was 5 years and probably another year if add up the rest of the time...I only mention because if I would have known I would have requested an opportunity to meet, speak or listen and learn from him...he truly was an American hero...a word thrown around too loosely these days... Col Moore was a patriot, a warrior, a born leader, compassionate, caring, sincere, respectful just a great man. I've spoken to many who did get the honor to meet with him or know him...Auburn is basically the University and not much else...although has had an exponential influx of people moving to the area over the past decade or so...probably around 100K or so with 30-35K being students...Many people, high profile to common "folks" often move back to Auburn which is not that common...In the south, the only other town/city I know this to happen in Oxford, MS. Col Moore was ordered to conduct an impossible mission without much intel...truly amazing more young kids did not die...they could have easily been slaughtered...LBJ and his cronies still give me creep to this day...and I'm an old man... by the way, another tidbit of history, the 1st American killed on the ground in Afghanistan after 9/11 was Michael Johnny Spann...he was one of the 2 CIA operatives who were ordered to oversee hundreds of Taliban prisoners at a multi-century old prison, fortress...He was a young man...having graduated from AU about 5-6 years after I did...I graduated with my 2nd or post-grad Doctorate in 1990...He has only been with the agency for a few years yet obviously impressed enough people or perhaps didn't and was sent to that hell hole...cost him his life...Col Moore was fortunate to survive as was Eugene Sledge...Today, we do not have men such as this that we know about although there is a strong, prestigious Naval Aviator curriculum at Auburn...numerous pilots, astronauts, and military leaders...Yet most think of the athletes like Bo Jackson and Charles Barkley...Cam Newton or corporate big wigs like Tim Cook, classic 70s-80s musicians like Jimmy Buffet, Toni Tanille of Captn & Tanille and Academy Award Winning actors/actresses like Octavia Spencer, etc...yet of all these, the 3 I mentioned first should have statues on campus or in town because they all were true hero's.
Met General Moore many times along with General Morris Brady who commanded the helicopter unit that flew the 1st of the 7th in and out of x-ray. Army Aviation Heritage Foundation located in Hampton Ga was founded by Mike Brady the son of Morris. I flew with them in airshows across the U.S. for a few yrs. Gen. Moore was a regular at the hanger along with countless others who served over there. The movie company was slated to use our aircraft in the making of the movie We were soldiers but at the last minute we were informed the movie company would use their own pilots. The General was told "Our pilots are professionals" his reply "Yeah but my pilots did it for real" that ended that and our aircraft stayed home.
Great video and........first!
That Valley con shows the Enemy. Miller was Underconfiant about his brand New Air Clv., Like Gn. Custer Did.
My uncle died at Albany. Miss him
The second time in history that shows, the military is not to be used as a police force but instead should be allowed to use a take no prisoners approach to conquer all.
War
More than once we have been used our soldiers our military has political Pawns Look at Afghanistan and we just keep on doing it All we do is lose our young people's lives it's live mess them up I support Go troops When will we ever learn I don't think ever I'm over 62 years old I remember a lot of this I do think of sad
Taking prisoners is REQUIRED under international law and treaties.
@@wxmyjnsn
And the winner extinguishes more of the enemy until they relinquish, or run out.
War 101
Great movie and great video! Final battle is epic! Greetings from France 🇨🇵
I served in Vietnam, it's a shame that we lost that war because our President and Defense Secretary ran this war and placed so many restrictions on our troops and air forces. We never held the ground we took. We lost people then gave back to the VC. And Westmoreland was the worst Commander they could ever have had to lead out military in Vietnam.
It wasn't a shame at all. The US had no business interfering in another Countries civil war for their own aims.
Thank you for your service, one veteran to another
johnson knew nothing about military tactics and should have been working for Taco Bell in Dallas, he left a terrible legacy of stupid blunders and showed no understanding of the men who fought there.
Johnson helped cover up the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
Well done!
WOW!! Such Bravery Far Beyond comprehension!!! #SALUTE to All those SOLDIERS ❤💥💢❤️🔥💣👍🏿🤳🏿👏🏿🙏🏿✌🏿
Nice job!
Savage really should have been awarded the C of medals for keeping his joes alive
The movie reflects only half the book and story. West point used it to teach how to fight and the second part of the book is how NOT to fight.
they were men back then for sure.....much respect....
Thanks, History Radar.
Dude! That young black soldier looked like a young Carl Weathers!!!
Drop these men into this hell .thank you...so much!!
After the evacuation of x-ray you said 79 Kia and 21 wounded, did you mean 121?
Well done man sub’d
The prisoners that gave up so easily were probably part of the overall plan for the Albany ambush, to stop the column and allow the NVA to sneak into position.The brass totally underestimated the enemy. We needed more field grade officers like Col. Moore. The General that decided to use only 8 helios to ferry an airborne assault should have had to ride on the first chopper in. I have always had total respect for those that did the fighting, but none for the idiots sitting in quiet comfort with their maps and crayons: civilian or military. McNamara and Westmoreland are the first that come to mind.
Oo ginoo gakalisod jod ko.......
1967-1968 I made it home, my cousin didn't _
Ought to look up the battles of Twin Tunnels and Chipyong-ni of the Korean war
I grew up.watching the Vietnam war on television it was depressing in 1965 through 1969 thats when I got drafted into the Army thank God I ended up in supply and not infantry plus got sent to South Korea
But why was America in Vietnam? And like the war, all battles were lost. History is awesome, and as an infantry vet, still don't understand this war that was not just about Vietnam, America and France attacked neigbouring countries and destroyed millions of lives, giving rise to regimes such as the Khmer Rouge.
No more conflicts not a war
My dad was in the 1st CAV in Vietnam 68-69.
There was a woman spokesman for the VC that said that the North Vietnamese would never lose a war to a country that ate instant breakfast and she was right
The USA was able to win the battle of the Ia Drang Valley, but just like I experienced in Afghanistan, the lack of commitment and the president's incompetence cost the war. I may also add that for the people in Vietnam, just like in Afghanistan, freedom meant nothing. For people in Afghanistan just like in Vietnam in those days, they just wanted to survive, that is all. Proportionally we, the USA, end up killing way more enemy combatants than they kill ours. In Vietnam, they are still feeling the effects of the war, and I hope that we never have to fight another war unless it is truly necessary.
These men fought like hell, men walking out to Albany didn't stand a chance when they got hit, I'm surprised any of them made it through the night. It's a shame the higher ups ignored the intelligence that was coming out of the Ia Drang, When Moore was given orders, in the movie they showed a map where American unit was, but had no information about NVA strength, well that unit was the C troop 1 sq 9th Air Cav, they found a large hospital complex and spent a couple of days in a fight with the NVA who wanted it back. That complex alone should have told them they were looking at ,at least 1000 NVA/VC. At the end of the movie, they do run the names of members of C troop who were killed during the fight. Oh I didn't like the ending, the NVA never came in afterwards to collect or bury the dead, they left them lay, I know because when I went through a couple of months later on, there were human remains all over the place.
Hey, just discovered your channel and subscribed! Good videos! Clear explanation of what happened without apportioning blame, at least in the few I've seen. In the process of watching the rest! Are you still producing these videos?
Awesome, thank you! I am in the process of making a video on Operation Market Garden.
@@historyradar9654 Market Garden? You mean "Monte's flop"
For some reason I just like the way LBJ says Viet-namm
That's how the Vietnamese and gunny Ermey pronounce it. Correctly.
Mac namera says so what? He admitted all was a scam; and I got to bag many guys after they were flown to my LPH 2.we had a make shift mourge in the ships tractor space. Burnt flesh gives one a gag reflex...tough going to the dentist these days...
Lyndon Johnson............................I did my year November 66-67 Da Nang.......
Robert McNamara's war, may he rest in H
I agree 100%, i think he was better at bulding cars.
F****** goddamn great videos on this channel! how does one double for subscribe or support the channel more? u sir are worthy! SKÅL 🌎💪😎👍🇺🇲
i like to put myself in someone else's shoes and i can't imagine OMG life or death
My DAD had 2 tours in VIETNAM
Gulf of Tonkin incident(lie) "All Wars Are Banker Wars", 45 minutes,Mike Rivero
As the intro scrolls through some war photographs, at 16:59 is an image from the movie Black Hawk Down. Is it asking too much of History Radar to pay attention to the simple things? In case you are still confused, the Vietnam War stretched from the 1960’s to 1975. The movie Black Hawk Down tells the story of military action which occurred in 1993.
That's just part of his intro, bud.
@@wiictvchannel1112 I understand that it is not a big deal, however, it was worth pointing out. Have a good one ✌️
@@stoneymcneal2458 Um, you came in hot, pointed out a "mistake", and accused the videomaker of not paying enough attention. THEN, you went on "educate" this _clearly knowledgeable_ channel about when the Vietnam War was vs. when BLACK HAWK DOWN happened.
(I'm surprised you didn't also launch into a "lesson" about Stalingrad, since that's the map in the background. "Stalingrad isn't in Vietnam...!")
Now, you're playing it off as though you totally understood that the image in question is part of channel's standard intro? C'mon, man. Just admit you _completely_ goofed and made a fool of yourself.
It's okay, we all do. But trying to pretend you didn't? That's just ... that's just bad.
@@AngeloBarovierSD Nice try at baiting me smart ass. Given the rather rookie error pointed out by me, I assumed this channel was the “knowledgeable entity you claim it to be. As for coming in hot … my initial comments were delivered in a calm manner. Next time you wish to tell a person how hot, cold, or tepid their comments were, perhaps you should have a firmer grasp on things. We are done.
@@stoneymcneal2458 Ya just don't see it, huh? Okay. Suit yourself.
It’s funny but this is exactly what US leadership wanted. Large masses of NVA troops charging outnumbered entrenched US soldiers. Out in the open where artillery and air power could do a lot of the heavy lifting. Rather than going out into the jungle in small groups to contact with Vietcong irregulars. I mean that was the whole point of Khe Sanh. It was bait. Whether or not this idea would have worked or not... It never really came to be. But we wanted to fight the NVA regulars in conventional battles. Even if we were outnumbered...
Bless you. You did not say "Congressional" Medal of Honor!
We should not have sent ground troops to get involved in a foreign civil war. But that is hindsight. Training, materiel and other support, but not ground troops. The Korean war happened just 12 years before 1965 and was fresh in their minds. Leaders were operating under the "Domino" Theory.
We started it. We asked Ho Chi Minh to throw the Japanese out of Vietnam after Korea. We even helped. After he did it, we gave Vietnam back to the Frech, who he threw out. Vietnam did not belong to the French.
@@danwayment6842 Not sure what you mean about us wanting Ho to throw the Japanese after Korea. After Korea? As for the rest of your post, yes, we should not have given VN back to the French. But there still would have been a conflict between pro-commie and anti-commie factions in the country. Ho would have still tried to force communism on the whole of the country.
@@philgainey2663 So? We wanted HO to throw the Japanese out, sorry, after WWII. There would not have been a conflict at that time. Even so, They still are Commies and we lost 58,000. let them have a civil war. They threw the French out.
We were too kind.
Please the name of the mavie
We Were Soldiers
Johnson pushed more men into Nam not so he could win the war but so he could intimidate Ho Che and drive him to the bargaining table.
Nixon screwed that up.
Vietnam 69-70; 377th SPS Sqd. I was never a hero; but served alongside many of them.
Anyone who can read a map and wanted to have the best shot at winning the war should have immediately made Cambodia and Thailand launching points for American ground troops and the south China Sea the launching point for unrestricted carrier attacks into NV...whatever the diplomatic/military requirements for said action that should have been on the table from day 1. By not doing that you pretty much tied one hand and two feet behind your back and made the end game too easy for the bad guys. A real clusterfuck of a strategy (an old U.S. Recon Marine vet. and now retired multi degreed Aerospace Engineer who spent 36 years working for a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
Yep, we could have run over the whole damn country in a couple of weeks. The fact that the way to do it is so obvious, and that we didn't do it, should tell you something about why we were really there in the first place. If you worked for a defense contractor, you probably already know the answer.
The clip at 11:48 is inaccurate as it was from the movie where the Vietcong were approaching the "lost platoon".
What a waste of human life. Shame on our elected officials.
Been to Lz albany, LZ X RAY, PLEMI ME, were we en countered enemy nva forces , will always run when encountered american M60 tanks and APC M113 a2. 4th inf div. 69th armor.
Not M-60 tanks…M-48a3 tanks. I was a TC in the 1/69th Armor attached to 173rd Airborne and later the 4th infantry Div. 1968-69.
Freedom
The Australian Army was there .
Well then please explain Hill 875 to me. We knew the NVA was there in superior numbers, and dug in, waiting for us. Exactly what was it they learned from this battle only two years earlier? We did a WW I Hay diddle-diddle straight up the middle maneuver on that one. After we were stopped the NVA tried to cut us in half. The entire hill was pre-registered for artillery.. Seems we were there so some big officers could earn some medals.
If Custer only had air support...
If THESE guy's hadn't had it, along with the artillery,, this would have been the 1965 version of Custer's last stand..No American would have left that area alive.."We were Soldier's?? Yeah,,and "We were Stupid"..
I ponder to this day that we never learned any lessens 0f how previously French
Forces, even with u.s. aid were soundly defeated even BEFORE we intervened...! Jn
G'day guys, in my small town of Yamba, Northern New South Wale Australia, was my dads mate Billy Backster, died recently, he was the training and recon trainer to the South Vietnamese, he warned the U.S that there was a large force, maybe 10k or more in the area, at the time we did not relises the Viet-cong were under ground, but they were there, his recon was tracking and surveilling them, he personally told the U.S force not to go in, let then finish off their recon, but to no eviel, you lost 3/4 of your men, through pure arrogance, and simply not listening. Go figure.
Well Sir if you are going to criticize another nation, at least use proper spelling and grammar.
@@baronedipiemonte3990 There you go anachronism, how's that, not our fault you clowns have lost every war picked, and turned up late to WW2, oh and WW1
Wow This is just like the movie
My brother was a Vietnam Marines.