Is SSPX in Schism? Explaining the Faith w/Fr. Chris Alar
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Many are (rightfully so) frustrated with the lack of reverence and adherence to doctrine at some Catholic Masses today. However, is SSPX (Society of St. Pius X) founded by Archbishop Lefebvre the answer? Can a Catholic validly attend one of their Masses or receive their sacraments? Are they in schism or not? Hear Fr. Chris Alar explain this as well as other Ecclesiae Dei communities such as Fraternal Society of St. Peter (FSSP) and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP)
I was born in 1947. I grew up in a devout Catholic family. As a young boy and as a teenage boy I served Holy Mass regularly - almost daily. I was the Master of Ceremonies at Solemn High Masses and special events such as Forty Hours Devotion for years. I had a fervent devotion to the Blessed Mother. I even built a shrine to her at my parents house. To say the least, I was involved.
After Vatican II the Novus Ordo Mass was introduced somewhat gradually. For the next forty years I attended Mass every Sunday and was miserable. I faithfully attended Mass with my family, although feeling it was not right but was the only option. Otherwise I led a sinful life. I never went to confession. I believed the only hope I had of going the Heaven was to ask for a priest to absolve me on my death bed.
After my children were raised I began to attend Mass on my own. A local church in a very conservative community had a fairly conservative and reverent Norvus Ordo Mass. After several years, a old retired PFSP priest offered to say a Tridentine Mass at this church. The pastor permitted it and I started to regularly attend it.
A couple of years earlier an SSPX church opened in the same area. They had a rosary service in the evening and I started going to it. For several years prior I would sit in my office after work and pray the rosary before going home. The rosary service made this much more fulfilling.
Then I was reading a book about the apparitions of Fatima and the Blessed Virgin came to me - not physically but spiritually. The feeling was awesome. She inspired me to repent. She gave me the strength to go to Confession, which I never thought I could do. After meditating and examining my conscience as best I could, I went to Confession. I went to Confession at the SSPX church because they offered frequent Confession unlike the church I was attending on Sunday. The priest was not easy on me for not going to Confession for forty years, but I don't mind that. When Covid hit, the Novus Ordo Church shut down. They also ended the Tridentine Mass. I started attending Sunday Mass at the SSPX church. I also now attend Mass on Saturday and any other time I can. I go to Confession once a month and continue to make the First Saturday devotion to Our Lady. I attend the daily rosary service and always say at least two rosaries per day. I am now in closer communion with God than I have ever been and I have the Blessed Virgin and SSPX to thank for it.
I just felt I had to say this.
I am so glad you said this, because I believe you and I am a firm follower of the SSPX. Ever since they came to Australia, my husband and I have attended their Masses. Never will I ever attend a NO service again. Only for weddings and funerals. And with that, I will never go to Communion and receive it in the hand. What a blasphemy!
Are the other 23 rites of the church valid? Eastern rites, Antiocian, Abrosian, Byzantine etc valid? Or is the Latin Mass the ONLY valid mass? They Stand for their entire Divine Liturgy and receive Communion with the precious blood and Communion combined in a liquid mixture on a spoon? Just asking.
Also Communion in the hand was the norm in East and West for the first 1000 years of the church.
That’s a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing and may God bless you. I will pray for you with my family as we say our rosary tonight. Please pray for me too.
Viva Christo Rey!
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@@dmletendre😮😮
When I visited a SSPX Church I found them the warmest and most caring Christians I have ever met.
Yes, and I know Baptists and Evangelicals who are lovely people.
I’ve met atheists who are also very nice.
They are indeed!
@@nomassgoer8350there are natural grace and supernatural grace
@@StoaoftheSouth I have found Novus Ordoites that were quite nice too.
Im so blessed and thankful that we have a SSPX church in Las Vegas, Nevada.
I have been to an SSPX church & the priest along with the people are good faithful people.
Yes, as we said
People say the same things about Protestants.
We need to boycott the France Olympics and make Reperation, first Fridays, first Saturday and the Prayer to the Holy Face of Jesus🙏🫥🥲
I’d boycott them for their horrid blasphemous opening ceremony but they wouldn’t miss me because I haven’t been interested in it since I was a kid.
Yep! I will not be watching one second!!
The SSPX in France from Nicholas Du Chardonnay parish in Paris are holding a reparation procession on the 18th August at the site of the blasphemous Olympic ceremony at the site where it was held. Pope Francis has said nothing about the ceremony or condemned it
I attend Mass at an SSPX chapel and I am delighted that I will never have to witness the following: Women on the altar, men in sports jerseys, homosexual blessings, the possibility of Deconettes, women and men in shorts, and communion in the hand.
Spot on. And the books such as "Rhine flows into Tiber" and many others have mapped this way into hell clearly years ago. Apage Satanas 😈
Indeed. 🙏
Likewise! Abp LeFebvre, thank you for not compromising the one true Faith😇
@@smrtlx The bishop broke his vow of obedience. God is in control. Bishop Lefebvre disobeyed.
Luther never stopped calling himself a Catholic. Like all Protestant sects. It’s only a matter of time. The SSPX have fake marriage tribunals.
SSPX has podcasts detailing the history of the SSPX - go to the source!
The SSPX is outside of the Church where there is no salvation. Go to the source of salvation!
@@nomassgoer8350that is not true they have been given their faculties
@@nomassgoer8350 you are either sincerely mistaken or a liar. The SSPX priests have regularly held the Traditional Mass inside the Vatican. No schismatic can hold Mass inside the Vatican.
Some popes did horrible things in the Vatican. Just because someone does something it doesn’t make it right. A schismatic would do something to undermine the magisterium. Your logic doesn’t follow.
I did, and he was very clear that the SSPX has no canonical rights. Meaning that you don’t fulfill your Sunday obligations. Thus you are in mortal sin if you only go to the SSPX on Sundays.
For the Dicastery, Bishop Athanasius Schneider did a years study on the SSPX and stated they are not schismatic and that the sacraments are valid. I take his findings over the armchair theologians at Pints with Aquinas. Father Alar, please research Bishop Schneider's findings. You can find interviews on RUclips and also check out Kennedy Hall's book SSPX The Defense.
Not formal schism but material schism. Before lecturing you might learn some things too 😇 God bless
Thank God for Bishop Schneider!His clarity on this matter helped me attend the SSPX masses to date and i have no regrets
@@DivineMercy_Official Poof with ‘material schism’.
@@DivineMercy_OfficialArchbishop Joseph Naumann of the Archdiocese of Kansas City has given permission to participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at SSPX Immaculata parish in St Mary's, KS to fulfill the Sunday obligation. Did you know that / mention this fact in your video?
@leokadia333 Material schism means that the matter of schism is there (disobedience, refusal to submit to lawful authority, acting against lawfully ordained authorities, causing divisions, etc) without have the form (i.e., the will to behave schismatic or knowledge that what one is doing is schismatic.)
It's very similar to material and formal heresy. A material heretic is one who holds an opinion which runs contrary to Christian orthodoxy, but who has willfully chosen to believe that error in place of the revealed truth.
THANK GOD FOR THE SPPX - THEY HOLD THE CATHOLIC FAITH ON A VERY SERIOUS LEVEL.
If by rejecting the teachings of the Church you mean they hold them on a high level, then same thing applies to the baptists.
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It’s beyond just the Mass. I learned the true Catholic faith for the first time with the SSPX. Raised in the immediate post Vatican 2 era. Thank God for the SSPX.
If you think denying a council and disobeying the Papacy is Catholic, then you are mistaken
@@jd3jefferson556 obeying what goes against the Faith is a sin.
@GenX-Trad your interpretation. Martin Luther qualities all over.
What gives Lefevre or you or anyone else the right to judge the Magisterium. No one ever changed the faith. Do you think the SSPX are the only Catholics in the world or what? I'm so confused as to what the SSPX end game is and how they plan on being back in full Communion with Rome?🤔 I mean it's not a sin to go to a Novus Ordo and the Rite isn't dangerous to anyone's soul. It's just as valif as a Latin Mass
Amen
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Nowadays, it's clearer than ever Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre was indeed right. He is the Saint Athanasius of our times and God bless the SSPX for preserving the Faith.
Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre pray for us.
That's a stretch.
@@jd3jefferson556 no, it's obvious.
@Carlos-vg8cr well I would say he's obviously not a saint and he strikes me as paranoid, disobedient, and having little faith in the promises of Christ to His Church. That's just my opinion from what I read. I considered the SSPX and came to the conclusion that they are enemies of the Church.
Let me ask you. Is Pope Francis our Pope?
@@jd3jefferson556 Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre is the Saint Athanasius of our days. And this discussion is pointless. And yes, pope Francis is our pope. The SSPX is not sedevacantist.
@@Carlos-vg8cr that's awesome! So many SSPX members I met didn't think so.
Do you accept Vatican II?
I wish Father Chris would watch the SSPX DOCUMENTARY. The VATICAN was waiting for BISHOP LEFEBVRE to die. They had no intention or interest in allowing for New Bishops with the SSPX. These are words directly from BISHOP Lefebvre. GOD BLESS him . I believe he will be a SAINT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH one day!! 🙏
More evidence is pointing to the real 3rd secret of Fatima as VII as a bad council and a bad mass. What else can explain the utter chaos and devastation of the Church? VII changed all the sacraments. Why?? 1917 code of canon law on marriage totally different from 1983. Why the change? When Christ returns, will He find faith on earth?
Isn’t it interesting that Arch Bishop Lefebvre is “excommunicated” but Fr. James Martin is in full communion? Give me a break, like what are we actually talking about here? What do you say to that ?
@@markreid8809 I agree that the application of discipline needs to be more even, but that doesn't change the fact that Lefebvre is still excommunicated.
@pascendi88 Has his excommunication ever been lifted by the Church? In the past, people have been excommunicated postmortem and had their excommunications lifted postmortem.
@pascendi88 Yes, I am aware that Lefebvre incurred an excommunication latae sententiae.
As to his funeral, if you are aware, was the funeral mass celebrated by members of the Society or by a bishop or priest in communion with the Church?
@@StoaoftheSouth The excommunications were lifted. They were unjust to begin with.
@AMDG3 They were lifted on the four bishops Lefebvre consecrated against the will of the Holy Father. Lefebvre, sadly, died in a state of excommunicate. The excommunications, however, were justly imposed.
As with inviting Daniel O'Connor on the show to explain his Divine Will devotion, please invite a SSPX priest on to discuss the history and standing of the order. Either Father Paul Robinson, Father Ian Palko, Bishop Fellay or any SSPX priest would be a wonderful guest. Thank you.
Well Pope Francis and Benedict affirmed the SSPX is not in schism and both provided faculties. So if the SSPX is in schism these Popes provided faculties to a schismatic organization. I don’t think a Pope would do that.
That is explained in the video. Please watch.
SSPX got faculties FOR ONE YEAR ONLY as a good-will gesture for them to return to the Church.
A. they were never outside the church (please point to any official correspondence from the Vatican indicating they are/ were) B. Those faculties were extended indefinitely and still remain today seven years later. The SSPX has not set up a parallel hierarchy and ecclesial institutions, nor has it denied the divine right of the pope to command, two necessary requisites for schism.
@@Stall65, keep telling yourself that, 🙄
@@Stall65 ''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
The reason was that Bishop Marcel was dying of cancer and the people around the Pope kept postponing the date for consecration of new bishops in the hope he died . Pope Benedict XVI recognized in one letter that Marcel's excommunication was not cannonically valid
Irrelevant. Cancer doesn't give you the right to commit a grave sin and schismatic act, nor give you authority you do not have.
@@steveheidenreich9183no, cancer doesn’t, but Canon Law does.
@@joelnudalo6820 Martin Luther would have said the same. Jesus Christ founded the Church and does not need you to make your own to try and follow Him.
@@papucho0401 the Magisterium sets canon law. Acting against the will of the Mgaisterium then trying to claim canon law as your excuse is irrational and subversive.
@@joelnudalo6820 part of the faith is unswerving loyalty to the Church and the Magisterium. Can't claim to be sticking to the faith while rejecting core Catholic concepts like obeying the pope and councils. "But if they ask you to do something contrary to the faith" sure but you'd simply disobey, not create your own Church, and it'd have to be something more concrete than a liturgy you don't like.
I gotta say Fr Chris, I will go to Novus Ordo knowing that Our Lord and Saviour is Present. But I will NOT, under any circumstances, receive the Blessed Body and Blood of our Lord and Saviour in my hand, nor will I allow my children to do so.
That is one of the reasons I began to attend the SSPX mass.
Since Covid, my local parish will not give communion on the tongue, do not take confession , and still use hand sanitiser in place of holy water. So so sad in my opinion. They have put their faith in science over Our Lord and Saviour.
I had never experienced the TLM before the covid shut down. So having been starved of mass like many others during covid, I'm sure you can imagine how I felt having attended the TLM for the 1st time. It was glorious, to say the least.
Are the other 23 rites of the church valid? Eastern rites, Antiocian, Abrosian, Byzantine etc valid? Or is the Latin Mass the ONLY valid mass? They Stand for their entire Divine Liturgy and receive Communion with the precious blood and Communion combined in a liquid mixture on a spoon? Communion in the hand was the norm for the first 1000 years of the church roughly. Were those people irreverent? The church is universal not just SSPX Trad Latin Mass Only.
@@razorramon3117 reception in the hand is what the early Church did
You let your pride or scruples push you into an actual grave sin. Please go to confession and return home
@@dmletendre Communion in the hand was not the norm for the first 1000 years.
@@littlerock5256 No, receiving communion in the hand was pretty normal.
@@razorramon3117 You know that communion in the hand is not a sin or a sacrilege?
If Paul VI can be deemed a saint then Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre will easily be a saint and Doctor of the Church!👍💪
I was confirmed by Archbishop Lefebvre in the UK and always tell people I was confirmed by a Saint as I believe he is one. He was also a family friend as my Grandfather and great aunts and uncles knew him when they had to flee the Catholic persecution in Ireland to France back in the early 1920's, they worked for his fathers company and knew him.
Doctor of the church? Not even close
@@justinreany1514 AMEN!!!
@@jaysealenduro5618 I was being hyperbolic. But a saint nonetheless. Modern day St. Athanasius!
A priest I know believes that not only will Archbishop Lefevre be canonized, but he'll have the same feast day as Paul VI.
Only time will tell.
I've grown in my faith wayyyy more at an SSPX Parish than i ever did in my previous diocesean parish.
The same can be said on behalf of my young friends.
Fr Alar did you read the book by Kennedy Hall 'In the defense of the SSPX'?
There are several major errors you made on the background knowledge of the SSPX within the first 10 mins of your speech
Thank you but it isn't our "opinion" but rather statements from the Magisterium, popes, and the Pontifical Commission. Kennedy Hall is not the Magisterium. God bless.
@@DivineMercy_Official ah that would be more worrying wouldn't it be? If what you were supposedly finding 'from the Magisterium' is actually erroneous. I hardly want to doubt the magisterium in it's accuracy of information pertaining to clergy matters but the Bugnini case during VC2 does give us all some room to discern, don't you think?
There are priests like Bishop Tissier who have lived side by side with the Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre who have witnessed first hand the exchanges between the Church representatives and the Archbishop during the time of supposed 'schism and excommunication'. Our Lord said that we should always test the spirits in an act of prudence before we believe all things. I would think that a good-willed clergyman like yourself would want to see things from both sides of the coin first, before preaching schism against an entire society of priests who are in fact currently in full union with the church, else how do they exercise their faculties? That would be a mockery of our Faith if we were to insist on an illogical point of view and end up causing more confusion.
I have you, Fr Alar, in my prayers. Especially this First Friday, before the Blessed Sacrament.
Pax Christi +
I attended the SSPX and we are far from schismatic all we want is to attend mass that has no modernism attached to it. We recognize the Pope as pope and love are Norvis ordo brothers and sisters!
Modernism is a heresy. Schismatic does not mean heretic, but means separated from the Mother Church, like Orthodox.
The Fsspx declares that no one should go to a novus ordo mass ,even if Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Sarah would celebrate it.The Fsspx is SO wrong!
I don't blame you. That was my original intention when I started attending them years ago. But unfortunately, that lead me to go down the sedevacantism rabbit hole. I guess if it doesn't cause a crisis of conscience or schismatic views of diocesan Catholics, then God bless you
It is painful situation. When one does not know the history and authority of the Holy Catholic Church, your response could be echoed by the Church of England.
Me too Please do not touch our Holly m
When we would travel attending different parishes, I remember my mother would say “Here to Rome and around the world, we all pray the same Latin prayers “ . I still pray my rosary in Latin ❤❤
I pray The Holy Rosary in Latin as well. I have been trying to learned praying in Latin as well.
The video from the SSPX website seems shocking to those of us who grew up or only know the modern church. I also found it very shocking before I understood what the traditional Mass was. I got out an old copy of the Baltimore catechism #3 and read the entire section on the Mass. I read Fr. John Laux's book on the Mass and it was only then after studying the differences between the traditional Mass and the Novus Ordo that I could see why the sspx would make this video. The New Mass is only a fraction of the old Mass. Many prayers were eliminated or changed so much as you lose their meaning.
Compared to the traditional Mass the Novus Ordo might lead you away from the Catholic faith, your local protestant church might not seem that much different and you might like the music better so you decide to go there instead.
Let’s pray for this to return! There are a few priests who are returning traditions!
There is a theological reprimand for ambiguous statements. If you admit that parts of Vatican 2 are ambiguous then you can't expect people to adhere to it without clarification, which is what the SSPX has asked for with Nota Praevia. Second, you said the Latin Mass was banned at one point. But Pope Benedict said it was never abrogated, so which is it?
When Traditionis Custodes clamps down more on the TLM, only the FSSPX or SSPX will remain standing. We will not give up the one, true, Apostolic & Catholic Faith.
When the Pope tells and requires the fssp to do a co-celebration of a novus ordo missae in the near future, I bet they would have wished that they never left the sspx
I’m just bringing up this point to think about, based on scripture and when Jesus met with Saints, what was the more important thing: obedience or going with what you think is the best or what you feel is the most reverent. I’m not shooting shots or anything, I’m just asking you to think about it. This is Jesus’ Church and He will allow whatever He wants, it’s our free will that gives us the option to obey or not. I am a 100% devotee to the Rosary, it is the sacramental that Almighty God used to bring me back to the Church. But if Pope Francis came out with a decree/official binding document stating the Rosary could not be prayed anymore (I highly doubt that would ever happen), as much as that would hurt and I would not really like it, I would obey. I would do it because I try my best (to the best of my understanding) to obey everything the Church teaches. And what true faith is it if there is no obedience, there’s no faith at all.
I’m not saying that this applies to you but in the last days, in the apocalypse, many people will be converted to the anti-christ bc of their blind obedience to the modernist magisterium, when the church is infiltrated by him that will come where he will take his seat in Jerusalem. The gates of hell will not prevail against the true church which I believe is the traditional remnant church but the modernist will be taken over as predicted by the true 3rd secret of fatima. I will follow Jesus’s traditional teachings and not the modernist/freemason infiltrators. Just my opinion, thanks.
Cling fast to Tradition ❤
@@seanmcelroy9774 the pope is not the church
I attend a SSPX Mass and cannot endure the novelties & irreverence of a Novus Ordo Mass. I use my 1962 Missile that I have from my confirmation in 1962. Your info may be correct, however, the disrespect in the Novus Ordo with the “lack of reverence for the Holy Eucharist” cannot be pleasing to Jesus Christ . When the “howdy doody” masses that were celebrated as a result of Vatican II, I and many young 18 year olds left the Church. I returned reluctantly, however, I hurts be to see people having Jesus in the Holy Eucharist in their hands as if it was just a token wafer. We used to kneel before God….we had no doubt about the real presence of Jesus in the Holy Sacrament. Post Vatican II ….only 30% Catholics believe in real presence. What happened? Mass exodus after Vat II, convents disappeared, seminaries emptied, lack of vocations. Where are the fruits?? I will continue to go to SSPX Mass ….the cannon interpretation continue to be ambiguous and controversial! The Vatican has yet to answer or clarify the ambiguity of Vatican II. I love Cardinal Burke. Even our Cardinals are confused ….. I don’t have an FSSP in my neighborhood so my options are limited. A bishop told me the SSPX was legitimate & fulfills my Sunday Obligation.
The TLM is sooo beautiful. Vatican 2 is hijacked by freemason and YES there are sooo many irreverence and sacrileges, But we can Only fight this from within. I will give you an example: the Parish I go to, for the last 8 years, used to be sooo bad, BUT as we speak, there is daily confession, daily Eucharist adoration, daily Rosary, & Chaplet of divine mercy and daily reverence Mass. We had to fight for this for a long time.
I going to give you a homework to do. Can you do re-search for how many Eucharistic miracles are there pre- Vatican2 and after Vatican2.
You will be surprise to see that more Eucharist miracles after Vatican2. So what that tells you? In the blue book of the Marian movement of priests, our lady always said “ fight my children”
I will never leave the Arch, even though I don’t like the way the captain is steering it, but I know eventually the Arch will anchor at the TWO pillars (the most Holy Eucharist and Our Lady, MARY most Holy)
UBI PETRUS, IBI ECCLESIA
WHERE PETER IS, THERE IS THE CHURCH
Our fight is from within period. To find an easy way to escape to another domination, or to someone NOT in union with Rome, is jumping overboard the Arch.
May GOD bless us an the Virgin protect us.
My bishop said I could fulfill my Sunday obligation with the sspx as well!
@@joeisaac2358Very well said!!
SSPX is great for you guys. I only have N.O. Masses here to attend. The N.O. rite is still valid, Eucharist on the hand if done in reverence is still valid. If the Magisterium says a particular rite is valid, then it is, it does not make it less valid. The rite of Exorcism can be done in the latin rite or the newer English rite, both are still valid. We need to stop fighting each other within the Catholic Church. Jesus still comes down from Heaven in a N.O. Mass and no matter your personal preferences or the Mass rubric, we all come for the
re-presentation of Calvary.
39:00 "God hates the new mass..." That's not at all what the SSPX video said. Not even close.
Maybe not that precisely, but they think that the reformed Roman Rite is an offense to God.
So, on their view the Church is offering to God an offensive offering.
@@StoaoftheSouthabomination of desolation as in the Holy Bible. Not just rituals but the prayers became protestant too. That's why
I listen to you father, Fr. Ripperger, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Scott Hahn....but not Pints of Aquinas nor Catholic Answers. I do get some data in the last two.
Gates of hell father cannot enter. If it did, that is not the church but the counterchurch that is all over prophecies. Like Bld. Emmerich.
Remember father she said, counterchurch is full of compromise.
Yes, but saying the Mass is "an offense to God" is schismatic. God bless
They way that 90% of Novus Ordos are done today are offenses to God for one reason or another.
I love the FSSP, The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. Part of their charism is the Latin Mass. So if that is what you are looking for AND want to stay in communion with Rome/Holy See, the FSSP checks all the boxes. They are a group of very devout Catholic priests. May the Lord God protect these holy men, along with ALL the priests of the Catholic Church. As we need their support, they need ours! Praise be Jesus and Mary! ❤
You can't make that argument or suggestion to everyone in the church Father because the FSSP are not accessible to ALL the lay faithful due to logistics and Church politics and the majority of Diocesan Bishops denying the FSSP or ICKSP establishment within their diocese.
🕎Thank you Fr Chris Thank you Heavenly Almighty Father for your kindness and love Mother Mary pray for daughters future, healings and protection Jesus loves us all♥️🏵️🕊️
FSSP is my parish church, our priests are amazing people who have been a blessing in my spiritual journey.
Thank you, Father Chris
One Word, in particular, stands out "Obedience." Our Lord promised that the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church would be "protected" from being "destroyed." We must not leave the Church in Communion with the Pope and Bishops. We have to pray much for them. You explained well that it's the "Office" not "errors" that can be committed by "human beings." As you know, Our Lord is very serious on matters of "Obedience."
May the Holy Spirit, "Unify" us, Amen 🙏
I remember as a teenager having a misal I would take with me to mass. One side in latin the other column in Spanish. It had the mass for each day.
And the SSPX misal has that. English and Latin.🙏❤🙏
I was born into a SSPX church and they kicked my family out because my parents got divorced when I was in 3rd grade. They had my sister who was in 8th grade at the time and her class listen to audio recordings of exorcisms. And they treated me and my sisters different because my mom had to work, my family only had 3 kids and we were too poor to afford tuition and Sunday offering. My mom came in and cleaned the school after her regular job to pay our way through school. I grew up being told it’s a sin to go to the new mass. It was such a bad experience my two older sisters are now atheist. Please pray for them. I have struggled with what to believe my entire life but have landed in a beautiful, revered church with a wonderful priest and at 39 years old I feel like I finally know what I’m doing. Thank you Father Chris for helping me this last couple years. You’re explaining the faith serious was a huge help for me. Along with Fr. Ripperger, Taylor Marshal, to name a few.. I have had to learn the catechism and the history of the church from the square one.
Thank you Father Chris!!! I hope to come visit your perish one day!
Taylor Marshal is a nut case. He goes against the teachings of the Catholic Church.
I have heard many SSPX went through the same thing! They should have never treated you & your sisters this way! You’re all innocent. I’m glad your out will remember your sister’s to return to the Catholic faith. Jesus would have never done this!
Yes the explaining the faith series has done God's work in my heart. I am happy to have found this channel when I did as I was o the path to hell.
Father, you shouldn't reference Salza. He's a former 33rd degree stone cutter, and like being former C*A, you are never "former," not if you are alive. There are other canonist who have other and opposite opinions. He was a bad one to reference.
@@captainraven8004 indeed
Serious Question, is that 100% confirmed that Salza was a stone Cutter? That is a pretty serious allegation.
@@PalermoTrapani yes. Look it up.
@@captainraven8004 Ok, 1st Can you give me the source, 2nd Has Salza confirmed that and 3rd, has he renounced it, assuming that he was a "Stone cutter"
@@PalermoTrapani you can find it.
God bless you and protect you Father Chris! I prayed for you during my Divine Mercy chaplet! 🛐✝️🩷
That’s Satan (Mt 24:24)
I learned the hard way
I’m joining SSPX
Father Alar you should consider learning a little about the Church before Vatican 2
You may decide to become an SSPX Priest
Thank you but this isn't our "opinion" but rather statements from the Magisterium, popes, and the Pontifical Commission. We follow the Magisterium of the Church established by Christ. God bless.
We are schismatic either way according to you, if we accept vatican ii ecumenism, we are heretics, if we dont, we are heretics, because it has been condemned in the past, you can use whatever copium you want, the post vatican II church is different, by intention, otherwise the many "saintly" VII popes would have corrected the errors.
These supposed saints kiss the Quran, and if the council was just not implemented correctly, then God is producing defective saints, if all the VII popes were saints, then why was the council not implemented correctly, we´ve had many popes who have done nothing to solve the problems and even the best of them, (Benedict), prays in a synagogue
What did St John Chrysostom say about jews , what did the syllabus of errors say about religious freedom, what did Mortalium Animos and Post tam diuturnas say about ecumenism?
Either the Catholic Church contradicts or we are not infallible, what tradition of the Church have we departed from, is it not rome itself that has chosen to persist in errors, or was it the faith for thousands of years that did not hold to religious freedom that was corrupt, we are not changing anything, just holding to what the Catholic Church has always taught.
If I would believe in religious freedom before Vatican II, wouldn't I be branded a heretic?
If so, then why is it bad to still believe this?
Thank you so much Father Chris❤ I am happy to go to Fraternity of St.Peter for 30 years now.
So jealous 💕🙏God bless you and your loved ones🙏💕 Almost 3 years for me🥰Thank God💕🙏
You’re very blessed to have the option!!!
If I’m in and area that has it, it’s my preferred Mass to attend!
I attend FSSP as well but am grateful for the SSPX. That is where the founders of the FSSP came from. We should worry more about the irreverent NO liturgies and novelties than those who faithfully adhere to the Apostolic Faith.
Thank you for this talk I have been very confused about the differences of these societies and how they stand with the church. I love your talks they have taught me so much. May God bless you and protect you Father Chris and all your Marian fathers.
Thank you for watching and God bless you
Father did however make a mistake on the crest of the fraternity of St. Peter. FSSPX IS the Fraternal society of St Pius X. The Cor Unum either black or gold is the SSPX AKA FSSPX crest.
Yes, unintentional putting up the wrong one. Sorry
Friendly reminder to watch the video before commenting
Yes. Fr. Alar is trying to square a ⭕ circle. Good luck 🤞 to him!
Ty
Thank you but this isn't our "opinion" but rather statements from the Magisterium, popes, and the Pontifical Commission. We follow the Magisterium of the Church established by Christ. God bless.
DEAR DEAR FATHER CHRIS…HOW WE NEED YOU! Thank you for your HONEST TEACHING. WE LOVE YOU JESUS WITH EVERY FIBER OF OUR BEING!
It would be awesome to see priests face the tabernacle and give communion on alter rails if they have to serve a Novus Ordo, it would be great if they made the church masculine again and not have women as alter boys, Eucharistic ministers and reading scripture.
Amen!
The problem is men don’t want to do it and so women take the positions because those are the only people who will fulfill them.
And, all of the weird greetings done, during the Mass; very strange. I really cannot see the point, of doing that it seems very unnatural and certainly an affectation for many. Ridiculous to do such things !
@@danieldimond5734 It's pretty gay. I hate it. I may nod and say "Peace to you" but there's always some insufferable person who insists on wanting to shake hands.
Please don't touch me.
To do so men need to step up to their responsibilities! Women have always been the backbone of the church and men can often follow after the world. May we stand up to our responsibilities!
Thanks Fr Chris for such a comprehensive and informative talk especially on such complex issues. I think a little knowledge can be such a dangerous problem and you have covered so many of the complexities which are causing great confusion. Thanks again your great and very well blessed . In the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Harry
Ty
The issue is more than reverence. The new Mass represents a different theology than the old Mass. Cardinal Roache said so himself.
But different theology does not mean one is better than the other. The Jesuits and Dominicans had different views on Soteriology and were accusing each other as heretics. Cardinal Bellarmine, a Jesuit Himself, got permission from the Pope to call the best Jesuit Theologians and Dominican Theologians to debate each other. At the end, the Pope decreed that both Theological systems are appropriate to help understand Soteriology (Justification) even though they explain how God's Providence, Foreknowledge, Predestination and Grace and Human Free are harmonized with different views. In summary, the Pope said both are acceptable.
@@hoo211426 they don’t even bless holy water the same way - the new stuff isn’t exorcized in most cases!
🥰🙏✝️❤️🤗 Latin Mass is so beautiful. So Reverently Beautiful. ✝️✝️🙏🙏
I’d love to see a respectful discussion between Kennedy Hall and Fr Chris regarding: SSPX. Chaos and confusion is not of God, so WHY can’t the Vatican clear up this issue once and for all? 🙏❤️🩹📚
All that said, if I were given only two options, Mass celebrated by Fr Jimmy Martin or a SSPX… I choose the SSPX hand’s down! I don’t want to go to mass celebrated by a priest leading confused souls to hell.
The Vatican won’t clear it up because the Vatican no longer represents the true Catholic faith. Most unfortunate. It is only true faithful Catholics like FR Alar and others that adhere to the true teachings of the church.
Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies. -St Pious X.
@@lisaevers3052your making the judgment that ALL NO priests are like Jimmy Martin. That is false & a lie! There are many good & faithful NO priests along with a few SSPX et that are not faithful!
@@lisaevers3052 too busy staring at Pachamamas!!!!
Thank you especially for the grand ending and it was apparent it's from your heart. The last ten was really the most important part for me. God bless you
Thank you for watching it and God bless you
I agree! JMJ, I love you! Save souls!
In Novus Ordo- you turned your backs away from God , instead You face the people. In many parishes You moved Tabernaculum with Holy HOST from the CENTER of The Church, away from the ALTAR, even to different rooms. You serve Communion in people hands and don't instruct people to KNEEL before GOD when receiving communion - HOW DO YOU EXPECT AWARE CATHOLICS to put up with that and attend your NEW Mass?
As an SSPX attendee, God bless AB Marcel Lefebvre for rescuing the Catholic Church and preserving the beautiful faith.
Yes. The SSPX is the only sane place where I get my true teaching of One Holy Catholic Apostolic Faith. These explanations of Fr Alar are because he believes that John Salzar is correct. What in heaven’s name is ‘material schism’? Just another way to put down the SSPX and its Holy Founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. One should read the history of his holy life and then one will see how he did everything in honour of Jesus Christ and His Holy Church. Look at the errors in the papacy now? They are allowing blessings of unholy unions. This should, if not anything else, tell us that the SSPX is pure in it’s beliefs and not follow blindly everything that the Vatican Council II says. In the future, we may see that a holy Pope will declare that Pope Francis was a heretic!
He died outside of the Church. He died a schismatic. And the Church has always taught that there is no salvation outside of the Church. Just some food for thought.
@@nomassgoer8350 You really understand your Faith!!! Do you rreally know anything about Archbishop Lefebvre? I don’t think so.
@@nomassgoer8350 ok, pope Micheal Lofton!
you're being mad away from the true faith under the guise of traditionalism. you're a material schismatic, and very well might be internally excommunicated. I pray for your conversion back into the Holy Catholic Church and your release from that cult. may God have mercy on all those liety who've allowed themselves to be poisoned by lefebvre and vigano
5:04 Lumen gentium, para 8,nov 21, 1964. Changed doctrine to say that the Catholic Church is not Christ’s church but merely subsists in Christ church. The Catholic Church is the only church of Christ. Protestant churches aren’t the church of Christ. Read Mt 16:18. God wills one church not many.
So, yes, i am in the Sspx because I don't have the option of a reverent Mass. It's either the Sspx or spiritual starvation. They do a good job and I am grateful. Sorry, but a reverent Mass is a luxury. I can't justify not going to Mass because they recognize the Pope and are uniited on spirit to the Holy Church. Going to keep going rather than lose my Faith. Love all you awesome people.
Glen Barrett
Alberta, canada
Hi Nicole, are you close to Calgary? There's the St. Anthony's Parish and the FSSP celebrates the TLM there.
No, we are 2 hrs away from Edmonton and Calgary.
I could only listen to the first 31 minutes of this talk, when this priest calls John Salza the foremost expert on this subject I just turned it off. Salza is a con man, he claims to be a former 32 degree Mason so if it’s true you have to stay away from him. He flips more than pancakes at IHOP.
This talk is very weak to say the least, it’s unfortunate people will accept what he says.
Father Hesse who was an expert in Cannon Law and held two doctorates, one in Thomistic theology as well as Cannon Law. He completely destroys what this priest is saying or teaching from the pulpit. Father Hesse and other prominent clergy have totally destroyed Vatican ll and all its heresies, please do not listen to this priest or those he’s quoting from.
''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
@@DivineMercy_Official
You keep insisting that JP ll is a saint, that’s not possible. I guess the 1986 Assisi gathering is okay with you. How about his kissing of the Koran, receiving the mark of Shiva, praying with the Jews etc.. There are many more public blasphemy’s he committed, but you believe he’s a saint. Archbishop Lefebvre was a Holy Bishop who defended the Church and Her doctrines, quite the opposite of JP ll. Lefebvre never separated himself from the Church, he was always faithful to eternal Rome. The Church of Vatican II is not the Catholic Church, its the new Conciliar Church. Pope Benedict was just as bad if not worse and Francis is just a horrible Pope. Francis is so bad he’s not defensible, but you believe Lefebvre is in schism and Francis is just fine.
Please read the encyclical’s of Pope St Pius X and those of JP ll, they are contrary to each other. Archbishop Lefebvre is owed a great amount of gratitude for standing up to the modernist and preserving the One True Church of Jesus Christ.
@@roexvt630 he died excommunicated. John Paul II did not
@@DivineMercy_Official
Excommunicated from the Conciliar church not the Catholic Church.
JP ll died a heretic, good luck with that.
@roexvt630 the Catholic Church canonized John Paul II and excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre. Sorry, but we do not have time to answer any more of these arguments that are only your incorrect opinion. God bless and keeping you in prayer
“Without the papacy, it’s every man for himself.” Brilliant ending. Thank you father for clarifying this topic and exposing me to fssp
The SSPX doesnt deny the papacy
If it denies that which comes from the papacy (the novus ordo), it denies the papacy. View 36:40 .
@@contemporaryfighter The Tridentine Mass was, from the Papacy, to be unchanged. This is a fun game.
@@lzcontrol Question: Is the liturgy of the TLM a papal rite? The answer is YES.
Definition: "The term “papal rite” refers to the liturgical, theological, spiritual, and disciplinary patrimony of a distinct people within an autonomous (sui iuris) Church. It encompasses their unique manner of living the faith, as manifested through their specific liturgical practices and traditions. Importantly, this patrimony is not static; it can evolve, adapt, change, or even be restricted or prohibited based on pastoral considerations and the Church’s mission."
I see the controversial question regarding the SSPX's public position on their website (view 36:40) has still not been addressed. If it were, would there be any more uncertainty?
As a child I loved participating in the beauty, majesty, deeply sacred experience of the Traditional Latin Mass with my grandparents, my parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, my brother and sisters, classmates and their families, and our nuns all praying and singing together with the choir in Latin, the language of the ancient Romans who savagely murdered Christians, and whose hearts Christ conquered with His sacrificial Love. We honored Jesus throughout all our generations and never would have believed this generation's nightmare of Rome forcing the Faithful to choose between following Christ's apostolic tradition or His Holy See's latest persecution. The solution has been to attend both Masses each week. In the TLM, the soul often experiences the ceiling open up to Heaven and the church filled with angels The Novus Order is more like a facsimile, even when reverently celebrated. The Novus Ordo Mass at best is like a 360 surround sound video of a beautiful tree. The Traditional Latin Mass is the Tree of Life itself that the Lord made.
Father Chris these are troubling times, it’s really sad that so many priests tell us one thing and then another priest another thing. This is just confusion for people. Who do i have to believe now? Who do i have to listen to? I will just read the bible and follow what Jesus asked us. I will pray to our Blessed Mother to keep on the right path to her son Jesus! 😞
Me too, I am a confused, rigid, and deplorable Catholic. Thank God🙏💕
We just need to pray to God to give us wisdom. Do not despair 🛐✝️❤️
It's very simple.
If a parish or order isn't obedient to the chair of Peter, then they are not on the barque of St. Peter either. They are in schism.
@@steveheidenreich9183you are solving the impossible situation by separating Peter from his seat 💺. Do you see 🙈 that it is human legalistics under the likely guidance of The One Who Cannot Be Named. But this is his icon: 😈
@@S.Morales777 I feel ur pain im the same way i tend to email my priest daily with questions i tend to “shred” everything and study it an put it back together later…!
Thank you Fr. Chris
To be honest Father After watching this video I believe that more confusion has been sown in my mind and heart on this issue than ever before amidst an already excessive amount of confusion Within The Church . To quote St. Peter" Save me Lord lest I perish "
a convert from Anglicanism to post concilliar catholicism in 1992, been an altar server during my school years from 1992-97. as i grow, i attended various christian services as well as the charismatic movements in the Catholic Church and non Catholics as well in the spirit of ecumenism. I end up confused. Search for solid Cathecism, found the book My Catholic Faith and learn the solid Catholic doctrine from it since 2017. Last two weeks on 21 July 2024, i attended the first Latin Mass at SSPX Chapel in East Malaysia- i felt i'm born again Catholic! I did my first confession after 30 years and receive the Holy Communion in the Latin Mass. I'm so blessed. No words can describe my happiness.
The problem is Francis, who believes he has the authority to "decide" what is right or not according to how he "feels" at the moment regarding the "feelings" people have. .
He is not the judge, God is and speaks without confusion.
"LET YOUR YES BE YES, AND YOUR NO BE NIO. (It doesn't depend on what "I "the Pope" feels.)
Fr Chris Alar
Thank you for this talk. In listening to this talk I realized you failed to mention some facts, I will only state the first one
You didn’t mention Pope JPII kept on postponing several times the consecration of the 4 bishops. Archbishop Lafevre had cancer and didn’t want to continue to postpone it …
Truth telling!!!!
Doesn't matter.
@@steveheidenreich9183 It greatly does, bro. Causing scandals means you are misleading souls. And you are responsible. God bless
Lying doesn’t matter?
He didn’t lie. Also let’s look into Williamson. When Lefebvre is putting up dudes like that no wonder Saint Pope John Paul II took his time trying to find the right guy.
Father Chris, what about Cardinals openly pro gay marriage, women ordination, against kneeling down and receiving communion on the tongue, in favor of contraception and even abortions....
Yes but none of that is church teaching
No matter what sinners do that will not change the church hierarchy. What about the faithful archbishops and cardinals & laity?
@@DivineMercy_Officialwhy are the MIC priests not offering the TLM of the missal of St John xxiii for the faithful especially since there's such a deep yearning for the TLM especially from the younger generation? I'm asking as a MIC Confraternity lay brother.
I am very blessed to attend a Latin mass every Sunday. English mass is fine; I just get more comfort at a Latin mass. Our priests are from FSSP order and are lovely. They have Latin mass every day except Saturday (the English mass is at 9am) and have two masses on Sunday. English and Latin live in harmony at our church✝️ We have a wonderful Bishop who is very supportive of the Latin mass. We also have SSXP masses at two different churches in our city. Everyone is happy.
Pope Plus V declared TLM forever.
And then changed it…
If the SSPX were in schism how could they receive faculties from the Pope?
Cannon 844 says that Catholics can receive the Sacraments even from non Catholic ministers when there is a moral impossibility to go to a Catholic Church. As a traditional Catholic who wants to raise his children to keep the faith, I have a moral impossibility to attending the Novus Ordo, even if it’s reverent, because doing so regularly could erode my children’s’ faith in the real Presence since they would see people receive Holy Communion on the hand.
In 2002 the Eclessia Dei commission said that Catholics can fulfill their Sunday obligation at SSPX chapels and that it’s okay to donate to them. The Church would never say that if the SSPX were schismatic.
I like Father Chris, but he doesn’t do the SSPX position justice in this video. For anyone who wants to listen to their perspective check out their Crisis in The Church series.
Thank you but did you actually watch the talk? We explained that. God bless.
Yes, I did watch the talk, though I still have about ten or fifteen mins left to watch. I also want to say I really like Father Chris and I’ve learned a lot from his other talks. I just think he’s wrong on this one. Which part of my comment do you think he already satisfactorily responded to in the talk?
Thank you but this isn't our "opinion" but rather statements from the Magisterium, popes, and the Pontifical Commission. We follow the Magisterium of the Church established by Christ. God bless.
Thanks Father Alar. I could tell you have tried to be as fair as possible, so thank you. Just a few corrections / observations:
- the SSPX was instituted entirely in line with the local Bishop in 1970 in Switzerland, and was supressed in the mid 70s due to the friction between Econe (where their main seminary is located) and Rome. Abp Lefebvre was effectively suspended from this time, so all priests were ordained by a suspended prelate. Therefore, your statement that the priests ordained after the consecrations are invalidly ordained is incorrect (at 53min).
- attending SSPX by the laity has always been allowed, see previous statements by the Ecclesia Dei Commission:
"Can I fulfill my Sunday obligation by attending a Pius X Mass" and our response was:
"1. In the strict sense you may fulfill your Sunday obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by a priest of the Society of St. Pius X."
(Ecclesia Dei Commission, January 18, 2003, which expressed the position of the Holy See, not lay or clerical statements). I have been going for years, and have not adopted any schismatic tendencies...
- I agree, their position on the Novus Ordo is out of line. But I don't think this means they are schismatic.
- they not reject the Church hierarchy, they include the local Ordinary (Bishop) in the Canon of every Mass.
- they do not reject Vatican II, but have raised objections to 3 main issues - collegiality, ecumenism and religious freedom, and have had doctrinal discussions regarding these, but they remained unresolved. These issues many conservatives / traditional Catholics have trouble with.
- John Salza's interview on Pints was riddled with errors, so please do not use this as a source. I commented to point these out below that video already. Cdl Burke, for all is good points, is not an authority on the matter either.
- your statement about the Papacy bringing an end to the confusion is spot on. The SSPX would agree.
Thank you again, and for recommended the FSSP (Fraternity of St Peter), I attended their ordinations in Germany last month. What a blessing! However, they are not everywhere, sometimes the SSPX is the only option that is available (especially since so many legit diocesan Masses have been suppressed in the last 3 years)...
Thank you Fr. Chris Alar for such a clear and concise explanation; and done with such love and **mercy**. That's why we love you Father! God bless and protect you always! It was wonderful meeting you at the conference/parish mission you gave in Florida!
Thank you for watching and God bless you
@@LindaLucia17 hi Linda so happy that you made it to the conference in Florida. What a beautiful day of grace it was for all who attended and if you want a recap, it’s on the parish channel God bless you. ❤️🤍❤️Karyn
@@alwaysmisskaryn Thank you! God bless you!🪻
If I do recall correctly Bishop Huonder requested from Rome to live with the SSPX in his retirement before his passing and it was granted. Why would Rome grant that if they are in schism? He recounts talking to Pope Francis and Pope Francis stated the SSPX was not in schism.
They're not in schism, they just seem to have a problem with exceptionalism.
Thank you, Fr. Chris, for courageously explaining this very difficult & confusing topic of SSPX. May God bless, strengthen & protect you in your ministry. God bless the Marians.
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Father, I think you are a good and sincere priest. But I think you are missing some important points in assessing the SSPX.
First is that the supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls.
History and I firmly convinced eternity will vindicate Lefebvre.
Yes and obedience is the greatest of the Evangelical counsels
@@DivineMercy_Official Obedience to things that were instituted with intention of destroying the Church is not good.
Obedience to God first, above any mere mortal even if a pope.
Abp LeFebvre, pray for us🙏
TLM is not merely loved because it is reverent. That is minimizing it. TLM is the Holy Mass that formed the Saints of Old and Doctors of the Church. The LITURGY is what is most important and the actual holy Sacrifice that takes place at every TLM - that points our gaze towards Heaven.
We have FSSP ❤
@@DivineMercy_Official Very true, Father: obedience is humility put into practice. So those humble of heart will obey what accept what the Church says..
That is, that the SSPX *is* in schism:
''Desire to foster the healing of the *schism* with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre"
~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis
"Be aware that formal adherence to the *schism* (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God"
~ Saint Pope John Paul II
"Hope that the *schism* of Lefebvre will not be of long duration"
~ Pope Benedict XVI
''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in *schism* ''
~ Cardinal George Pell
Regarding the SSPX, ''by their *schism* they have broken away from communion with the Church''
~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller
"Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in *schism* "
~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
Let's pray that they return to full communion 🙏
These issues are extremely challenging and confusing enough esp. for those of us who suffer from OCD or scrupulosity but it becomes nearly impossible to understand when popes keep changing their statements. Most of us are lay people who want to obey God. Fr. Chris I appreciate your attempts to try to clarify these concepts.
Amen
The Pope has not changed his position. Please allow me to explain. The Pope said they are schismatic. But due to invincible ignorance of some members of the SSPX the Pope in an act of mercy allowed for confessions, but the SSPX still needs to approval of the local bishop to celebrate marriages. This is possible because of ecumenism. The Pope wants them to be a part of the Church again. As for everything with the missal of 1962, there are people who echo the sentiment of the SSPX priest in this video. This kind of thinking is not of God. Telling people not to go to Mass is of the devil. No Catholic should say this kind of thing. But because many people are saying this the Pope has no other option but to limit the missal of 1962. Further the Pope is trying to get people to celebrate the missal of 1969 reverently. He sees the abuses in the celebration of the 69, and said that they are not of God. All of this can be verified in his documents found on the Vatican website.
Thank you Father for all your talks!! I listen to listen to all your talks!! May God bless you!!
This is fascinating! Happy belated birthday Fr Chris Alar!
@@ziesha.marie11 👍🏻
I go to an SSPX TLM. But I believe in the validity of the NO. As far as I read it, I am in no position to say what's valid and invalid. Only the Pope with the magisterium can do that. Im simply thankful enough that we are allowed to celebrate the TLM and I hope that we remain faithful to the same teaching
If you were really going with the Pope and the magisterium you wouldnt be going to sspx tlm. Watch this lecture.
Missing Mass on Sunday without a good reason is a Mortal sin. Wake up people!
@@kyriosbooks8400you really should not extend your opinions where you are clearly wrong.
Why not? Fr. Chris himself says the mass is valid. Besides, I did say, I go to Novus Ordo when there is no TLM where I travel.
What I truly appreciate abt TLM is the strict adherence to tradition. Modesty/Formality in attire, genuflecting before the altar, veil for women and Communion by the mouth.
Here's a simple comparison. Look up the prayer to bless holy water. Compare the old rite and the new rite.
Next look to the prayers of absolution prayed by the priest in the confessional compare the old rite and the new.
I'll take the old rite everytime!
Finally, take the time and compare the old and new Mass. There is an objective difference.
Fr. Chris, Thanks so much for clear explanation. God bless you and Marian Fathers & Brothers. Praying for you always.
Same to you!
Fr Chris, you don’t come off very clear. Everyone in clerical garb or not likes to use this term, “full communion” but what does that even mean? What I got from your video was it’s ok to go to sspx but the hierarchy and you would prefer we didn’t. I go to NOM and VOM and let me just say, nobody does the NOM the way the conciliar document suggests. I have found that 1962 is the most conciliar. While the NOM is valid but more than often illicit b/c of abuse, should the clergy/church recognize this is a failed experiment? Since none of its priest want to say the black and do the red and allow for loose expression of liturgical expression? I pray for you all daily, and love the work you do. I’m just a simple Catholic looking for answers so I can lead my family the right way.
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There is no schism whatsoever between the SSPX and the Holy Catholic Church
''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
Kennedy Hall released a video about this talk, and it's GOOD!!
Yeah. Bashing Father Chris. Great isnt it???
He's just telling the truth. Father Chris was so wrong in this video!! He quotes a stone cutter pure filth! I've watched most of his videos and this one was bs all over the place and pointless! Fathef chris is better than this video! I hope he watches Kennedy Hall video and repents for his lies!!
Why was my reply taken down! Has anyone else who mentioned truth have their post removed? I've had 3 taken down for mentioning a specific group of people that gather at a specific lodge.
It's good because truth is always good!!!@wyomingpark
@@user-JesusChristisLord Is it good to judge others??? Because that's exactly what you are doing!!!! At the end of the day, unless you are a THEOLOGIAN or attended seminary, anyone making money on RUclips with religious info should not be taken as 100% truth! They DONT know EVERYTHING because they are layman! End of story! This is what is causing DIVISION! It's INSANE!
I think you should read ‘SSPX: The Defence’ by Kennedy Hall. You do not seem to have all the facts or information on this matter.
Thank you but it isn't our "facts" but rather statements from the Magisterium, popes, and the Pontifical Commission. Kennedy Hall is not the Magisterium. God bless.
The information. You just dismissed out of hand provides exactly the facts you say you value. Pope Francis has stated that the SSPX are not in schism. May God Bless you and Fr. Alar. To err is human.
@@bok9201 ''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
The clans need to unite. The TLM is growing!
I suspect, Fr. Alar was under obedience instructed to address the worrying situation, where the SSPX is growing ( to the chagrin of modernists in the charge of Vatican 😈😜😈) and the Vatican modernist church is imploding. Fr. Chris is trying honestly 😮. But it is futile. You cannot square ⬛ a circle ⭕. Even if you try hard and harder😜🤣😜
This sentiment is exactly why the papacy is needed. The “trad” groups are so divided it’s Luther all over again.
@@michellestansberry9101 Unite around what?
This is why Francis is being such a jerk to faithful Catholics. He is a 1970s Boomer ideologue. He was infected with a defunct vision of the Church that rejects tradition. He is anxious that the younger generations don't want the failed post-conciliar experiment.. they want to true Faith as handed on by saints. They are like spoiled brats that can't compete so they try to undercut their competitors. This is a war ofattrition. In another 10-20 years the momentum will shift so much that these dying boomers will have little to no influence. Their influence is waning as is. Tradition is on the ascension. Modernism is dying
Thank you but this isn't our "opinion" but rather statements from the Magisterium, popes, and the Pontifical Commission. We follow the Magisterium of the Church established by Christ. God bless.
Thank you for your video Fr Alar but I think you need to learn more about the SSPX. I suggest you watch their podcast about the Crisis in the Church and hope that you would be enlightened on who really are in schism. God bless you more Fr Alar. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
It's the Society. They're in schism.
Thank you but this isn't our "opinion" but rather statements from the Magisterium, popes, and the Pontifical Commission. We follow the Magisterium of the Church established by Christ. God bless.
Thank you, Father Chris for your closing remarks. Focus on the Office of the Papacy; the unity of the Catholic church.
God Bless Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre 🙏❤️Thank you Fr. for the Godly and honest presentation.
💕🙏Amen🙏💕
Lots of mistruths in this video about the SSPX. I don’t go to an SSPX chapel, but I would happily do so. I might start going to one if the pope bans the Latin Mass altogether. As far as I am concerned, they are not in schism. But by Fr Chris’ 3-fold definition, it is Pope Francis who is in material schism.
Thank you and God bless you, we appreciate you watching. But here are some quotes from popes and the magisterium....God bless. ''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
I also will be joining the SPPX if they ban the Traditional Latin Mass.
What happened, original broadcast was stopped and deleted??? Was this a production problem or censorship??
I think it's just the case of the live stream stopping and the complete video then uploading. I'm watching this after the livestream was over and it plays fine.
@@Sniper_Cat_71yes, I’m watching too and it seems to be continuous. 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻
I asked Pwter James. It was took off because of the broadcast problems and br Mark posted the back up copy that is always made. @@Sniper_Cat_71
You can also interpret this "gap" as a sign of displeasure. From whom? The cryptos at the stirring room in Tube HQ? Or the 😈🥸😈?
Thank you the full video is now up
Happy birthday infinite More ☄️🌹✝️🇺🇲🙏🏻
Thank you, Fr. Chris, for explaining this, bc I did not understand at all, and I may have to watch and listen again.
Thank you for watching and God bless you
Huge difference between blind obedience and virtue obedience. Faith above obedience.
I'd consider myself very "traditional" and associate with many other trads. None of us in my circle of people have ever denied VII. Part of the problem though, is that many church officials act as if the church never existed before VII. Some of them act as if that was the only church council ever and nothing else matters. VII is a valid council, but so was Trent, VI, etc.
Valid yes. Card. Ottaviani doesn't deny it. But. And there is a big BUT. And Fr. Chris is circling around and trying justify the BS which was coming officially from Vatican after the "celebrated" Vatican II. Apage Satanas 😈
V2 is not a dogmatic council and was heavily influenced by protestants and freemasonss/infiltrators
Every priest, cardinal, Bishop and Pope in the Latin right. Said the Latin Mass daily and Vatican II still occurred and they all approved the documents. The majority of priests that were accused of inappropriate behavior with minors were ordained pre vatican ii. Going back to those pre vatican ii rites and ways is not going to magically change the church back overnight to what you think it was. The church has been and is always a hospital for sinners.
@@dmletendre I never stated that anything was going to " magically change the church back overnight to what you think it was". Don't twist what I wrote.
I too, attend the SSPX Mass and have been attending for 40 years . and I am very happy going there to see young families and everyone being very respectful in dress and in their behaviour is so beautiful to see ! something I never saw in the Novus Ordo .In the Novus Order , I remember seeing .people coming in in shorts , immodest dress and talking and laughing as if they were in their own homes . They show no respect.especially when receiving the Host ! I will never receive it from a Eucharistic minister or a priest who expects me take the Holy Host in my hands ! No ! This is a SACRILEGE ! 😢😢😢
Thanks somuch for averyclear and important talks always.
For the most part we only attend the Novus Ordo because that's all we have available locally. Sometimes we can attend TLM but it's an "all day adventure" because of the distance. What I see at TLM are mostly young families which is awesome. My Novus Order is mostly older people. Thankfully at our local Novus Ordo, we have no shenanigans or clown-world things going on, our priests are all reverent.
What I don't like are extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion and communion in the hand. 60 years of communion in the hand has fostered the unbelief in the True Presence that we see today.
I agree
I came into the church last March, but attending Mass for 3 yrs. We only have the NO , no TLM anywhere...I don't understand why people receive in the hand! Is it bc of the time of Covid? Or have people been receiving in the hand before that?
Sadly, all of these practices predate the pandemic. The history of communion in the hand in our time seems to have been of innovation imposed on the faithful by the bishops acting with disregard for both tradition and teachings and the will of several pontifs, including Paul VI and John Paul II, who then granted indults, with the goal of maintaining Christian unity.
Communion in the hand has been around in the United States since the 70's. It's not the "norm" despite what some might try to say, it's allowed as an indult that has become the defacto norm. The USCCB voted to allow it under Cdl Bernardin in the 70s. Look it up online, it's a little strange. Some would argue that Cdl Bernardin kept voting and stackign the deck for votes until he got the result he was looking for. A priest's hands are consecrated. I am not worthy to touch Him.
@@Sniper_Cat_71 Thank you for the explanation! And I feel the same way, I am NOT worthy to touch the host!
I've watched many of your videos learning about the Church and it's obvious to me that you research very thoroughly and here you show your willingness at fair and even handedness. Good stuff keep on trucking young fella.
Been to a new mass in Fatima recently. It was more of a mess actually .Communion on hands of course and , surprise, surprise, in that crowd the Holly body of Christ was dropped on the ground at some point. No kneeling, no visible reverence. SSPX has something right obviously. I am afraid of throwing away the baby with the bath regarding condemnation of the SSPX.
Where did all our priests go, so learned in theology and philosophy? The flock needs to be taught and guided. Thank you Father.
Well said!
They went to the SSPX.
@@darryldavanon8859 The Nouveau Theologie replaced the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas in most seminaries. The SSPX continues to use the Thomastic approach.
They won’t be taught in Novus Ordo seminaries that’s for sure
@@lindastanford7096 St. Thomas Aquinas had the humility to say anything the Magisterium disagreed with him on he would automatically side with. Because he was Catholic.
Fr Chris one of the worse things of the Olympics ceremony was the statues of 2 women who got abortion legalized in France. The BBC comentator was saying these women were fighting for womens rights. Unbelievable right.
Hope you had a blessed birthday. I sent you an email yesterday xxx
No one can say we don't know. Or we didn't. It is now in the front of us. We cannot say we don't know.
Yes, that is terrible
Not once did he mention the doctrinal issue that the Vatican and SSPX have referred to. It had nothing to do with the Latin Mass, but rather Vatican II's attempt to promote a new doctrine, that of religious liberty. The SSPX rightly points out that every single pope who touched on the issue outright condemned religious liberty for non-Catholics.
This is in stark contradiction to Vatican II which teaches that non-Catholics have an innate right to religious liberty. This is wrong, error has no rights, and no one has a natural right to follow another religion. Don't be fooled by the agnostic modernist attempts of the 1960s to promote indifferentism.
Ty but incorrect. Statements from popes and the pontifical commission were reading explaining it. God bless.
Thank you father Chris for the information on the SSPX. God bless you and may god continue to guide you.
Amen!🙏♥️🌹
The SSPX does not reject Vatican II. They have questions about elements within Vatican II (like religious liberty) that seem to go against prior authoritative teaching.
Depends on which priest you ask. Obviously Lefebvre didn't have a problem with Vatican II, otherwise he wouldn't have sign all of the documents alongside the Pope.
Thank you but their website says it does. God bless
@@DivineMercy_Official There website does not say, “we reject VII.” It says something more nuanced that you’re interpreting. You have a duty to not present a straw man of your opponents view.
@@killingweston1 videos on their website say that so yes I should have clarified that
@@killingweston1 ''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
Fr Chris please continue to pray for the Philippines that we can further defend the values bestowed unto us by the grace of God and through Jesus and the Catholic Church, that we may continue to uphold and live out within our lives all of His teachings. For the longest time we stand against divorce, abortion and legalization of same sex marriage. Please pray for us so we can prove to the world that to uphold goodness, we need nothing of these in our laws but only openness to God again in each family's and each individual's mind, heart and spirit.
Thank you fr cris alar..
Now I had known.
You will know the Tree by its Fruits!!
My son was recently in The Philippines….the Catholic Church is so vibrant there. God bless you all for being a beacon to the rest of the world!
Fr Alar, I pray you’ll learn and say the Latin mass ❤️
SSPX carrying on the faith of our ancestors.😇🥰
Exactly. I think that fidelity to Tradition, teachings and dogmas matter more than hierarchy and legal aspects.
You apparently didn't listen to the video!
I love the Mass of the Ages and attend the FSSP parish.The growth of the traditional Catholic Mass and theologiy has been thanks to The SSPX . The are a source of good for the church though in the complex situation. I will quote the section in the Bible where Jesus says If they are not against us then they are for us
@@Immaculata04 I have read many Papal pronouncements including Pope Pius V's Quo Primmum issued 14 July 1570 and have never seen the term "Mass of Ages" in any official Papal Document. Perhaps I missed the one that did so if that is true, can you please provide the citation to the Papal Document that calls the Missal of Pope Pius V the "Mass of Ages".
Your ancestors were Protestant? I will pray for them
Thank you Father Chris and Happy Birthday! SSPX is the only game in town for the TLM in South Florida unless you are a Sedevecantist or are fortunate to find a private mass. It is a very nice community at our Lady of Victory. I trust that God is pleased with the reverent worship at their masses. Their masses are full to overflowing with people of all ages including many young families with large and growing families. The parishioners are of all ages and nationalities. They always pray for the Pope. While I will still attend the Novus Ordus during the week at a parish which I think is one of the better ones, it does not compare to the reverence of the TLM. After repeatedly being scandalized at myriad Novus Ordus parishes, buffeted by loud music and showboat priests, the TLM mass is the one that helps me to offer my best worship to God. One Novus Ordus church pastor went so far as to come down from the alter at the time of the homily and started to ask open questions to the audience about their favorite food for the audience to respond back from the pews. He might as well have been a talk show host. I had to leave. Not everyone has a Novus Ordus mass as reverent as the one at the Shrine of the Divine Mercy and again, FSSP and the Institute priests are not in South Florida. The SSPX priests drive every weekend to South Florida from Sanford (many hours away) to serve their parishioners. The Pope, and those that surround him, ultimately are the ones responsible for disaffected Catholics choosing to go to SSPX for the TLM. They have halted all the TLM masses in the Diocese of Miami. I suppose that one day they will have to answer to God for their actions if in fact they are driving souls to an SSPX mass that pursuant to your studies and analysis may not be of benefit of their souls. At the TLM I don't have to see pride flags, communion in the hand, extraordinary ministers, women on the alter, 60s peace signs, holding hands for the Our Father, people who are dressed in shorts and halter tops, or be constantly assaulted by loud music from a church choir at every instance. One can focus and pray. There are no pro-abort and pro-contraceptive Catholics. It's not personal, it's just not Catholic teaching. I don't have to listen to a gospel reading that refers to the two thieves alongside Christ as "revolutionaries" and omits fasting from the gospel as a key component in driving out demons. (Mark 9:29) Additionally, the low mass is beautifully quiet and thanksgiving after communion is not interrupted with second collections to questionable ministries such as the Campaign for Human Development and Peter's Pence. There are no anouncements of cup cake sales and other matters extraneous to the mass. Everyone kneels for the final blessing. There is a lot more to say but it is not needed or charitable. I think it is fairly obvious that the Catholic Church and with it, sadly, many Catholic Schools have gone off the rails which is one of the reasons that many Novus Ordus Catholics no longer believe in the true presence of God in the holy sacrament among other things. I had a conversation with a "Catholic" theology teacher in a prominent high school who believes that there are many paths to God not just the Catholic faith. At the TLM, there are clear lines of what is right and what is wrong as per the teachings of Jesus Christ, and right teaching. The SSPX is a beacon of faith here in South Florida. There are of course many good priests in the Novus Ordus and some reverent Novus Ordus masses. God bless and help our priests because their cross is heavy. It is heartening to hear that many of the younger priests are in fact more traditional and conservative than their predecessors. God bless you and thank you for your many great teachings. I never miss a Saturday lecture! All the best to you and the great fathers at the Divine Mercy Shrine.
I started to attend to this Mass and the Shrine of St Pholomena last Sunday (and today) and my husband and I made the decision to go now every Sunday. We are blessed to have founded it.
@@mariaaranda5629 I look forward to meeting you at Sunday mass! Welcome to St. Philomena / Our Lady of Victory! : )
Thank you for this. I do watch/listen to Matt Fradd Pints with Aquinas, but don't always have the time free from distractions to pay the amount of attention required, so I really appreciate you getting right to the point to lay it out in an understandable, easy to follow way. Being one of the lay faithful, I've been guided by my late grandfather's declaration made on the Sunday in 1969 when my aunts and uncles were all gathered at Grandma's and Grandpa's for Sunday dinner after the first celebration of the New Mass. There was a heated argument that grew more contentious, while Grandpa sat in silence. Finally he put his pipe down and declared, "If the Church says it's the Mass, it's the Mass." I didn't find out until long after his death that he was a convert to the Church, and he had to accept obedience to the Pope and the Magisterium in order to come into the Church. And that's when I realized just how big a deal it is to assent to the teachings of the Church and obligations imposed on the Faithful.
@@kimfleury may God bless your sweet grandfather’s soul. That’s a great story.
Much thanks for instructing us on this concerning matter, God be with you!