Installing Mac OS 7.6 on a Performa 630CD?
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- After all my editing and corrections for the video, I overlooked the most obvious indicator for what the computer this even is. The model number is on the bottom of the case. This is the actual computer: www.everymac.co... It seems just the front panel is incorrect. Oh how trusting that caused me so much woe!
Hopefully the video is still enjoyable even though I'm getting pretty hyped for it being 68k... when it's not. Software that now works probably just works because it works well only on System 7 which seems to be the real hero of this video.
This video took 17-18 hours to make. Hope it was worth it! Also sorry for the audio issues in the non-video parts, I literally just ran out of my free time to fix that.
4:30 "Okay...it's doing some things I've never felt before..."
Perfect time to have walked away from the screen, just having audio to go off of.
Don't worry Druaga, what you're feeling is perfectly natural for a growing boy.
After doing extensive research, it turns out that Power Macintosh 6200s do not have the Foxconn logo printed on the IDE cable, but instead have it on the connector itself. Since the Foxconn logo was clearly visible in the video, this must be a Performa 630CD with the logic board switched with a Power Macintosh 6200.
That's some good researching. Sauce(s)?
It was just a lot of searching on Google Images. A lot.
I had a Performa 6200CD back in 1994. It was indeed a PowerPC 603 Chip and if memory serves me correct, it was indeed well known that the perfoma's were at that time fitted with PowerPC chips. Apple ran infomercials at the time touting just that. Also, I remember calling 1800 SOS Apple once, and they sent a technician to replace that logic board you pulled out and instead replaced it with a 6300CD logic board. Ahhh, good times. ::sigh::
Nice job doing all that research
Yeah, it was a pretty common pre-Return Of Jobs Apple move to offer logic board upgrades for existing users. Though they were supposed to replace the labeling on the case during the process. Someone either did this at home themselves (could happen if your Reseller was cool) and just never changed the case sticker, or someone missed a step at the service center.
27:35 "Power Macintosh" on screen
"We finally have a bootable 68k Mac..."
WTF DRUAGA
Dude I really like your videos. Like you I was also obsessed with Apple when I was a child, and loved everything about the way these older machines worked. Around the time I was in grammar school, we had nothing but Mac computers and I literally thought they were the coolest thing in the entire world even at that young age. I was able to distinguish the vast difference's between Mac and PC. Around that time Apple was advertising on TV all the time and there were even infomercials selling the performa series computers. Well at that point I knew what I wanted for Christmas, I wanted a Mac performa :) After telling my parents this, they do their own research finding out they were like $4000. I'll tell you right now we weren't rich people not to say that we were poor either. My parents didn't even have to tell me because I knew they weren't able to spend that much. Come Christmas I found a brand-new 486 Compaq computer with windows 3.1, and I was happy with it considering it was my first computer of my own but I've always had a special place for mac computers in my heart. I know that sounds corny LOL but it's completely true and I notice the way you talk about them, you're also like that a bit. After watching your videos now I'm going to have to start going on eBay to find myself an old Mac computer. I just thought I'd share my story with you buddy. Your videos are STELLAR man Keep em UP! ~Joshua from Ohio~
+Joshua Sundheimer Eh, sometimes it's good to look at the other side of the tracks every once in a while. I'm primarily a Windows user but I do appreciate what Macs are as machines (moreso the older ones).
See, when you corrected the spelling of the hard drive, I thought you were going to notice the "Power Macintosh" in the about menu, but nope, camera zoomed away from it.
*"Canabis" HDD*
Classic Druaga1.
Misspelled on purpose? Or just because he was high?
@@aqualung2000 Misspelled but not on purpose, he corrects it later in the Video
You say: Hey smokers in your intro, but I am a non-smoker. Can I still watch your videos? :)))))
+MegaBojan1993 Yes. But smoking is highly recommended.
dutchhypercraft1 Marijuana smokers don't die sooner. Only tobacco smokers die younger :)
+Druaga1 No it is not.
+Piotr Zalewski You are not the only one :V
If you smoke, it's gotta be weed!
6:49
This is the exact reason I love your videos haha
FPS: First Person Screwdriving.. a new kind of simulator game. (y)
It's doing some things I've never felt before. Famous bedroom words.
This video (4:53) made me realize that Foxconn existed in that era making hardware for Apple devices. I guess the fact that Foxconn made iPhones shouldn't have surprised me in the past.
I really enjoyed watching this clip.
You are very entertaining and I share your love and enthusiasm for the Classic Macs.
Thank you for making and sharing
what I think happened was the previous owner put a powerMAC motherboard in the performa 630cd. as they seem to be pretty swappable
I was thinking the same thing, would explain a lot if that was the "case" :)
I was thinking the same thing, would explain a lot if that was the "case" :)
I was thinking the same thing, would explain a lot if that was the "case" :)
+Cathrine Hubbs Yeah, that would seem right, though it's surprising that it would be this compatible to run with absolutely no problems whatsoever.
Quite common among "MacAddicts" and power users to swap out the Performa 63x family of motherboards with Power Macintosh 6200/6300 motherboards back in the day. It was called "upgrading," but all it was was similar to swapping out front I/O and motherboards for modern PC builds and it cost almost as much as just buying a used 6200/6300 anyway. 'Board swap".
It was a cost saving measure on Apple's manufacturing end to simply use the older cases and simply rebrand them as newer models. No real difference in the case plastic or electronically other than what was glued to or printed on them like the labels or what was installed as expansion cards and such.
You'll get a lot of sellers on ebay selling what they think are 68k Macs that are actually 68k cases+I/O with PPC mobos inside because they're not familiar with that part of Macintosh history and thus wouldn't be looking for it.
Your videos are so good. IDK Why I have fun watching these. Maybe its your voice or the humor. I got it, You are the Benjamin "Hawkeye" Pierce of RetroPC videos. Yes I just compared you to the humor of Alan Alda in M*A*S*H!
I think this video is one of the best Druaga1 vids just cause of the strange revelations at the end.
Oh god I love this channel, it really takes me back.I remember spending all day installing/reinstalling various operating systems. I just watched the Windows 2 install and thought I'd skip over to the mac stuff.
Thats the most fun you can have on a Mac, installing an operating system.
I had one of these back in the day. You could easily swap the logic board from a 630 (running a 68040 CPU) to a 6300 (running a 603 CPU) to a 6360 (running a 603e CPU). The 6360 was the last model of the form factor type, but did have a Level2 Cache slot that could be fitted with a PowerPC G3 upgrade card . And yes I did exactly that in the 90s. The G3 upgrade made the system into a speed demon.
0:54 "...installing Mac OS 7.6 on a Power Macintosh." Foreshadowing much?
the startup sound is from the power mac 5200 and 6200 series, so you have a 6200/6300 mobo in your 630cd.
Simple, the Performa models / most LC Models could swap logic boards, I had an LC 580 with a Performa 5260 120 Motherboard in it. The same pinout on the motherboard brackets, just slide out the old and insert the new. I do believe you could put up to a Power Macintosh 5400/200
I remember watching people in the '90's trying to use Macs like this one. Most of my friends owned PCs at the time. They were always asking me "how to config the CMOS" on my Mac! Or... "Where's the 'EXE' file for this application?" :::facepalm. Those were the days!
I don't smoke, but I enjoy the hell out of your videos. Subscribed xD
He doesn't Smoke.
He's just a BIG TRULLZ
That back plate power button was just a backup as they thought users would just use the keyboard anyway.
There was also a Performa variant of the PowerMacintosh 6200/6300 series as well, because that's not confusing at all! I think what happened was, someone somehow misread "Performa 630CD" as "Performa 6200CD" and swapped in the wrong board. It seems like a fairly easy mistake to make--reading a 3 as a 2, and adding on an extra 0--but that's still not great.
cyberdog would "fetch" web pages when you would insert a URL into a document. Sort of like early OLE. Imagine a teacher putting together a lesson that contained web links, and instead of just having blue URLs, the web page itself would embed into the document so that you could see what was trying to be shown to you right inline with the rest of the document. Actually pretty cool tech for the day.
Apple never cracked down on clones, in face they licenced System 7 for use on Apple clones. Once Steve Jobs returned in 97, the clone programme was ended because Apple refused to licence MacOS 8 and newer. BTW, the "Bong" at the start sounds more like a Performa 6300 than a Power Mac 6300 or Performa 630 CD. We used to have a Performa 5300 for a while, and my neighbour a 6300.
This is it. My first computer from childhood. Full of awesome shareware and sounds.
I'm watching this 1 year in the future.
The Macintosh Performa 63X series had the same case design as the 62XX and 63XX, and allows for interchangable logic boards. Case in point, I owned a Performa 635CD new when I was in HIGH school. It came complete with a 68LC040 processor and 1 Ram slot.
In 1999 I investigated in getting a new Mac, but I realized I could just swap logic boards with a faster, PPC board. The fastest board possible came from the Performa 6360/160 with 603e processor running, you guessed it, 160mhz. I sent my 040 board in as a trade in and received a discount on the 6360 board. From then on, my Performa 635CD faceplate was innacurate, just like your 630CD.
Once druaga saw that tunnel screen saver, he started tripping. That is probably why he is all about the weed.
6:56, yup, that's a Power Macintosh boot sound, the Performa line didn't get that sound until the 5200CD according to Mactracker
Where can I get a iso for this?
"I'm gonna lose it if it goes too deep." -Druaga 2016
I had a 6360 Mac that looked just like this one. I think the series had interchangeable parts. I upgraded mine to a video tuner card which listed the 68k and powerpc versions of this case.
lowendmac.com/1996/power-mac-6300-performa-6360/
Looking forward to an After Dark video! You gotta play some Lunatic Fringe!
Mac OS 8 specifically bumped up the number from 7 just so they wouldn't have to keep licensing the OS out to third-party manufacturers (since they only had a license of System 7).
i love the sound of the old fireball drives. I remember this sound from a HP i had a long time ago. a mini tower with a 20GB Fireball IDE drive in it. The KLUNK sound they make when parking is awesome too.
I love every video you make :3
"Apple continues to improve English text to speech with Siri..." what about Alex and all the OSX text to speech?!
Watching Druaga skip over very necessary items to install believing them to be something else (reading Remote Access to be remote control drivers) makes my head hurt.
Though, there was a remote control that came with this computer and if you had a learning remote like the ones from Logitech you could totally use a universal remote with your old Performa/PPC Mac.
"Canabis" reference to smoke weed every day jajajjaja
Fun Fact: Do you know that during that time Mac OS 7.6 was released the Mac was still called Macintosh?
Well duh
Macintosh: Mac Into Shell
Whew. I was almost scared when I misread the title as Installing OS X Lion on a Performa 6300CD
*630CD
360CD* :^ )
Imagine doing the impossible.
063*DC (^ :
420CD*
The dream build
Goddamned cases tricking us into it actually being the Power Macintosh 6000 series.
I had a 630CD as a child. It was fun, but the lack of an FPU was often frustrating (it must have had a 68LC040)! At least it did not have a CD caddy like my family's Centris 610!
Didn't expect it to get all mysterious up in here
I have a Performa 630, and that motherboard in the video is not from a Performa. That was swapped from a Power Mac 6300 almost for sure. The Performa 630 doesn't even have that back plate design.
Happy days. My work desktop computer back in the mid 90's. Mainly used for running Word 5.1 for Macintosh (the best piece of software ever to come out of Microsoft, IMHO) and Photoshop 3.1 ( the first version with layers - Hallelujah!). The previous Mac provided by employer was a Mac LCII - a complete slug by comparison. Tunnel? Nooo! Flying Toasters was the biz.
So one thing i am wondering about.Windows NT 4.0 has ppc support so theoretically you can install it on ppc Mac.So the question is will it install?
From what i've read on the subject, no. I believe NT PPC was primarily for IBM PPC Thinkpads. It doesn't support the bios/Open Firmware configuration used in Macintosh computers of the day.
you should got an older Mac and put an SSD in to them. well sort of
with scsi2sd
That is literally the same Macintosh I own. But mine is an Macintosh Performa 6200CD. But in the the 'About this Macintosh', it calls it a Power Macintosh. But I love it because it was the computer my dad used when he was my age. Mine also runs Mac OS 7.5.1.
the performance issues during the videos could easily be explained by the use of virtual memory on the hard drive. wouldn't be a problem if you use a solid state alternative.
Just read that EveryMac page for the Performa 6200 and itsaid that it was introduced on the 11th of July 1995, then at the end of the video (42:47) a label says 1/26/95 which I guess is a manufacturered date? So is it a Performa 6200 logic board with a case from a Performa 630CD then? As someone said in the comments?
The power PC was supposed to be based on the 68000. It was supposed to be backward compatible, like how the pentium was backward compatible with the x86 architecture.
Allen .Berge powerpc machines emulated the 68000.
Druaga1 did you ever reinstall some of the software for PPC after learning of this computer's true nature? I bet Flashback would have worked better (atleast the video) without having to emulate a 68k cpu...
As a long time windows user, I feel weird watching mac setup videos.
Maybe someone broke the original fascia, and replaced it with the "almost identical 630CD one, which is why it's so hard to put on and take off?
according to a old app called mac tracker which is on the app store this is the details it claims
The PowerMac 6200 was a 5200 in a Quadra 630-style case. The 6200 was sold only in Europe, but was released in the US as the Performas 6200CD, 6205CD, 6210CD, 6214CD, 6216CD, 6218CD, 6220CD, and 6230CD, each bundled with a 15" monitor, and a different hard drive.
^ apparently that was provided by apple history so maybe at 1 point someone upgraded the motherboard? or the lable is completely wrong :)
what's the music at the start of the "confusing" part near 40 minutes? I'm dumb so I don't know it ._.
In the future do you think you could build a Hacintosh in one of your old macs?
+Davyd Mir Pls only if it is a broken one. I don't want to see any more old macs die. Seen too many times already.
true but have you seen any of the apple mac g5 hacintosh?
+Davyd Mir But all they do is use the case. "Oh wow. you put an Intel motherboard in a case and installed osx"
Yeah typo, sorry. I ment g4 lol!
Well how I see it when it comes to hacintoshing old powermacs like the g4 cube or the powermacg4/g3 it involves alot of skill to make these cases look good, It's alot more then just building a computer its a different ball game you know?
+Davyd Mir *hackintosh
I get it! In Windows Vista Microsoft took the preparing your desktop screen from Mac 7.6 Rebuilding The desktop file!! Lol!
27:35
_Power Macintosh on screen_
"We finally have a bootable 68k Mac"
8/27/56 is the symptom of a dead PRAM battery, i just ditch the PRAM battery when i use vintage macs, there are some that need it like the Mac II and some of the Pizza box macs like the LC, LC II, LC 475, Quadra 610, Power Mac 6100 that will chime but won't turn on immediately.
the front panel is a pain to remove compared the extremely easy to remove motherboard on the back of the macintosh 63x and 62xx and 63xx series machines, the tabs are really rigid that it needs a flat head screwdriver to carefully pry them to release the front
Is it really a Performa 62xxCD mobo, inside the Performa 630CD case? Or is it a real Performa 630CD mobo with one of those 3rd party PowerPC 601 upgrade cards (Daystar's, Sonnet's, or even Apple's)? lowendmac.com/quadra/power-mac-cpu-upgrade.html
Power computing clones were still around when 7.6 appeared; uncle steve crackdown happened around 8.5
+Druaga1 I am looking for a classic MacOS 1-8 macintosh, but I only have $50 and an eBay account. What do you recommend?
also going to yard sales in a few days. some people don't know the real worth of things so i want to take advantage of that.
A mislabel would make the most sense. At the end of the manufacturing process mixing up a box of Power PC badges for the Performa badges would have been easy. The ATA cable has a FOXCON label, so I am guessing that it was assembled by Foxcon, in which case; someone who didn't know english (the likely Chinese workers in 1993/94) could have mistakenly done without even realizing it. If a lot was then sold off without this realization... well it would make those mislabeled Macs very rare (and perhaps this is the first proof that such a thing happened!). On the otherhand, perhaps the front was just damaged and then replaced with a cosmetically similar face plate by the neighborhood techie.
One thing to immediatly know if the mac's a Performa with a PowerPC upgrade is the boot sound.
where do you get your versions of mac os? trying to look for mac os 9
At 42:25 the date is 1995 the same year of the Power PC in the wiki image, maybe the front case was change by someone
It's 3AM. The end of this video scared the fuck out of me.
English. (Funny for my bad sorry)
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
6:54 It's like Steve Jobs stepped down Vader took over. #appledeathstar
Another Mystic Upgrade mac
i wouldn't be too surprised if that system was upgraded by apple or 3rd party apple tech as a low cost upgrade.
In Control Panels, there is a 601 Processor Upgrade. Maybe you could get a 68k to PPC Upgrade?
33:00 those wacky controls remind me on Lester the Unlikely, really much lmao
Watching this does seem to show that there is not very much to gain on on a Performa 630CD from Mac OS 7.6 over the free to use 7.5.5 version. My clock will only go to year 2019
Correct title: Installing Mac OS 7.6 on a "Performa 630CD"
The flying toasters are my favorite.
What was that opendoc video you watched?
+boxman139 probably this ruclips.net/video/FF-tKLISfPE/видео.html
Is this like a retro Hackintosh?
Pretty cool, you're lucky that you have a lot of vintage Macs, I'm not lucky at all.
You have a Performa 630CD. But at some point, the motherboard was swapped with that of a 6200. No biggie.
Keep in mind that the PPC 603 running at 75MHz was a very poor chip. It was basically a low cost 601 with no cache. Hence the lack of any heatsink. The game you tried ran poorly because the 603 was having to emulate 68k code. It would be better to get hold of an original 630 motherboard with a 68040!
+Kiyoshi Kirishima Actually it's because the x200/x300 series used a 603 bridged to a chipset designed for the 68040, a CPU with a 32 bit bus instead of a 64 bit bus like the 603. Mac users at the time mocked it for being built with components from Apple's parts bin, or for being a Performa/Quadra 630 with a PowerPC CPU replacing the 68040.
/home/gligar13 That's true. Still the 603 was a poor CPU for a desktop, especially a 603 with no L2 cache and clocked at 75MHz.
i have the other way around, a Performa 6200cd with a Performa 630 motherboard in it.
Non-Smoker here. Unsubsmoking. ;)
The Performa 630CD (Non PPC) was my very first computer. I wish I still had it.
What happened to it?
When my family got a new computer years later we recycled it.
Im still pissed about it. lol
+zFOE Minnesota Too many people don't realize the value (maybe not monetary value) of older hardware. Sometimes it's nice to go and use something old for a change, sometimes new software won't run on your shiny new PC. The only thing my 10+ year old Dimension 1100 (Pentium 4) computer one-ups my new gaming PC on is sound... it has an older sound card and is capable of EAX, which has advanced and more realistic sound in games. My new PC cannot do EAX because support has been dropped.
Hi (sorry for my bad english)
+Aperture Science unnecessary facepalm.
*facepalm* damnit Aperture GET OFF RUclips!!!
Aperture Science yeah, shouldn't you be.. you know, doing science or something?
Hey someone agrees with me :D
skltmstrr_ Hey, it seems like I deleted my comments. What did I say to you guys?
Can you add "video capabilities" to it , dare I say video card? (I know nothing about old macs)
19:27
Oh Glory, I thought I was the only one who sees that!
39:55 here's the conspiracy
I've lost all hopes for finding an old mac over here....
Someone asked 400 bucks for a single CPU PowerMac G5, without RAM, Hard drive, and without keyboard/mouse/monitor.
it's ridiculous...
+deWaardt Look around and try to find someone selling an old one on Craigslist or something, most people selling them on there won't try to jack up the price because they're "collectors" items (when really, although they're interesting, they're not worth that much).
+Gaveroid craiglist is not a thing here, and there are barely any other things around there that remotely resemble anything like that. There's just a very few things here, all of them being OMFG A COMPUTER PART SELL IT FOR OVER €9000!!!!11!!!!1!1!!1!!!!!!!!
deWaardt Hm, that sucks.
Well I get computers from my local not-for-profit used computer store. I got a free Macintosh SE/30 there
Damn, I can't believe I watched the entire video... But damn you are fun and i'm a fcnkg nerd/geek :P
MacOS 7.6 definitely only supports partitions 2GB and under. It also only supports 8 partitions making the relative maximum HD space 16GB per drive.
And you know what kind of storage can come in exactly 16GB? SSD.
My Power Macintosh 8600 runs Mac OS 7.6 perfectly with a 4GB partition. It ran with problems on anything over a 6GB partition though.
As for SSDs, if it’s a Mac with a SCSI interface, then SCSI2SD is the best option for it. I have mine with a 128GB SD card with 3 partitions. Two are 4GB each for OS9 and OS7, and the last one is a 100GB partition for strictly storage only.
There is an Apple Logo on the Quantum Hard Drive
I want to have that mac startup chime on startup of my pc
where can I get Disk Tools 2?
Hey I doubt youll answer this but if you do, im kinda a noob at operating systems but I found a mac system 7.5.3 .sml and I wanted to know is it possible to install that onto a computer? if not, do you know where i can find a system 7 iso?
old computer? mac computer? CD-ROM Mac?
Igor Bełwon none, a lenovo netbook
Igor Bełwon however I know it's not possible now because drivers and shit
Matt Weiman You cannot install an Mac OS (the older) On an PC Just an old Mac. (typing on an MacBook air)