9mm +P vs 10mm: Didn't Expect These Results
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On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of 9mm +P to 10mm on 5 different targets. Each target is worth 20 points, for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 10 yards. Thanks for watching!
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*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home! Always verify your firearm is rated for and can safely fire any ammunition that you intend to use. Always follow standard safety procedures when handling Any firearm.
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I would be VERY interested to see .380 +p vs standard 9mm ammo. On paper, they're nearly identical.
This wood knot be a fair comparison IMO . LoL 😂
@@mhughes1160 bullet weight, diameter, and velocity are identical on paper, or at least very near identical..... I just want to see how they do against each other
@@PotatoeJoe69 wood 🪵 knot 🪢
LoL 😂
Why are you still not listing the bullet weight and load of the rounds in these tests? Without those key pieces of information, these tests are meaningless and useless.
When you strike a knot another shot should be taken, the knot is much harder and will drastically effect the bullet. When using sand, place a piece of cardboard at the 2” and 4” mark which will give an indication of which penetrated further giving better data.
Yep. I saw that knot and went, 'Oh no'.
Agreed. Knots equal retest.
@@fritzd2116 Unless they have worked with wood, folks don't realize just how hard knots are.
@@petesheppard1709 i was using a 2x4 as a target for my .22 with subsonics loaded, one round hit a knot and shattered into pieces while only putting a small dent in the wood. was impressive. normally, the subsonics fly straight through the 2 inches of wood like its butter.
Would not be difficult to use wood blocks with very small or no knots. Couple bucks more per dozen...
If you pull the sandbox, a clay block would be a cool alternative.
Good idea!
This is something I'd be for as well. I don't mind the sandbox at all. But, replacing it with a clay block for pistol rounds would be interesting.
It absolutely would. I dont think ive ever seen a pistol round go through the sandbox. Even if a round didnt go through a certain depth of clay you would be able to see the energy dump in it.
Yess...would be really impressive because no handgun round can make it through the sandbox! It´s always just a hole on the front!
Hoo Tee Who uses clay blocks in his videos, it's pretty cool to see some of the damage certain caliber bullets cause
10mm & 5.7x28 are the calibers that suffer most from "pudloading".
A lot of the factory ammo is just painfully underloaded.
Luckily, there are some high quality boutique rounds Buffalo Bore & Underwood (10mm), Vanguard & Elite Ammunition (5.7x28) or some good ole self rolls to solve that issue.
I EDC 10mm and I use DoubleTap. They have the best prices with the best performance. All the way up to 800 ft-lbs if you want.
@@RNG-999 Yea I've shot some Double Tap 10mm & recently some weird 9mm.
It's 165 total grains, with like a 115 Grain JHP & a 50 grain disk behind it.
It was too weird not to try.
I reload 9mm so powder is always the same weight. Never under loaded.
That's crap my man, they load them like that because that's what people buy..... because all the .45 and 10mm fan boys just like telling everyone they carry them bigger calibers and not actually shooting 750 foot pound loads out of a handgun.
Yes .45 and 10 mm can be more powerful but the factory loads don't lie, people are actually buying loads that are below 9mm +p
Buffalo bore has the spiciest of spicy loads but it's a small market.
@whatsmolly5741 I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about.
People buy it because it's all they can afford, or because they simply don't know any better.
Nobody buys a 10mm to shoot .40.
Would like to see a match-up between 3 calibers. 357 sig, 357 mag., and 10mm.
.357 sig isn't even near the same power as the .357 mag or 10mm.... It genuinely irritates me when people compare it. It's like same power as .45ACP +P
Those are cartridges. Not calibers
Factory .357sig is very close to factory .357mag.
357. Mag will win
This
10 mm is supposed to be 200 gr bullet at 1200 fps per original loading. If your load doesn't do that, then it's no 10 mm, just a 40 S&W equivalent.
Lots of folks have chronoed the original 200gr Norma loads. They run about 1100 fps. 1200 was always optimistic
He chronographed the round he was using at the end, those 10mm rounds are definitely within 10mm spec with 180 grains hitting 1240fps avg putting out 616ft/lbs which is about what you’d get from standard underwood 10mm. Only their exotic line is packing more punch.
Keep in mind that he was using a compact 10mm, not a full sized 10mm with the longer barrel.
I run 165g @ 1700 fps....... it's screaming!
@fatalvenomX that's what I get out of my plinking rounds, cause the Berry plated bullet is only rated for 1250 fps
the clarity of your ballistics gel is getting more and more impressive! not sure why others do not appreciate the sandbox test, that's some legit testing methodology. its why the military uses sandbags, that stuff stops bullets hardcore.
For pistol rounds, I think the sand test should be dropped. We know 6-inches of sand will stop common pistol rounds. Rifle rounds are the only ones to stand a chance.
"The clarity of your ballistics gel"... He just bought it from Midway USA. They sell clear ballistics gel in various forms.
@@RNG-999stuff is still expensive, it being clearer showcases he’s either better able to maintain the supply of fresh gel for these vids or has gotten better at recycling used blocks and still having them be fairly clear. Could even be mixing and moulding them himself.
@@md_vandenberg his video on the .44spl and .44mag showed that (one or both?) of those went through the sandbox. but yeah, common semi-auto handgun calibers 6" sand sand will stop
@@RNG-999 in some of the previous videos it's not that clear
unfortunately, other than underwood and Buffalo-Bore, most 10mm is underloaded by factories, basically performs like 40sw.
Yup I can get rounds for my .40 that perform almost like 10mm too. Double tap 135 grains at 1450fps is cooking.
@@ap1s2k78 Yeah double tap has some wild rounds my 10mm loads from them (granted still pretty similar to.40) I think my 135g 10mm from them is 1600 fps. But the LCD 60g 2400 fps rounds are nasty.
Been loving these Extreme Defenders from Underwood. 1700 fps and 115 grains
I really wanted to be the "Um, Akshuyally" guy but you're right and I hate it.
@@jordanfreeman4170 I literally EDC that DoubleTap 135gr controlled expansion round, lol. Gets 1650 FPS out of my 4.67" ported barrel.
10mm is still impressive even though you weren't using full power loads and bleeding velocity with the 20C.
I’ll agree the 20c bled some of the velocity, but these are the hottest I could load before getting a Glock smile on the cases
A little unheard of to see someone walk away from one hit of 10mm like with 2 or three hits of the 9mm.
The only thing that matters the most is penetration. Stopped bullets in their terminal ballistic stage is like a shitting fat vs a solid turd in your underwear when a 10mm comes to play.
Oh, well can't tell some people anything & all their analysis articulates their desired outcome to keep mythical minds secure.
You can over achieve easier with .40 caliber. It's just a matter of powder vs bullet weight. 138 gr can exceed 1,800 fps in 40S&W. 10mm can take 180gr just as far.
9mm in a 130gr or 158gr aren't all that remarkable, 164gr - 180gr probably be impossible.
Why waste time on a insufficient caliber round?
@@opinionsvary
Caliber is the least relevant metric in penetration tests. The key relevant factors are velocity, energy, sectional density, and bullet construction.
@@opinionsvary I've heard enough interviews with people who have got shot 15 times with 45 and have shot people 30+ times with a 45 before putting them down.
Its not about the rounds its about shot placement.
THE BUTTERFLIES KILLED THE CATERPILLARS!!!
They ate wormy!
😢😫
I love this man's sense of humor lol
This is definitely the funniest banana ballistics video I’ve seen so far.
You should take all the old steel plates and weld them to the protection screen you have. That way you have protection from anything coming back at you
Good idea. He could even just zip tie them using the bullet holes, if he doesn't wanna weld them.
@TheDarkSkorpion didn't even think of that, that makes the job even easier
My uncle finally succeeded in getting rid of our ant problem. He had to go through divorce court.
🤣🤣
LoL
"aunt"
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That's a crab problem.
+p 9 against real 10 mm, is no contest. I have both, love both. But it is like shooting 308 against 300 mag. And yes I have those too.
You hit that knot on the 6x6. Not surprised that it didn’t go through that. I’ve had knots completely seize up power tools/saws.
Use books or magazines pre soaked
Hard, but not especially cohesive to the normal wood.
Ww2 US tankers, actually tied sand bags on their tanks to increase their survival against the very powerful panzers. Sand is a very good heavy bullet stopper.
12" will stop a 50cal.
They tested it during the war. It doesn't help. The added weight does cause more transmission and driveline problems though. They let the crews keep it though because it made them feel better.
@@Charon-5582it definitely did something against rounds.
@Golgi-Gyges sandbags don't help much against 88mm rounds. If the round was going to go through 3 inches of steel it will go through a sandbag too.
@@Charon-5582 "... don't help much..."
9mm shot into knot of wood
Wood you knot?
Battle of the lever actions. 30-30 vs 35 rem vs 45-70
Add the 32 Win Special
I have no problem with the sandbox test its a kinda useless for pistol testing but am not so impatient that its a issue for me.
The guy who criticises everything in the bathroom though his a good laugh👍
that Queen 👑 ant would make a great Merch character
How about replacing the sandbox with some sort of clay that can show you the amount of energy on target and it can be measured by the width of the impact and the depth
I recall in the late 90's shooting into the rootball of a good sized tree that had been grubbed out with a bulldozer, range was about 50 yards and I was using my 338/06 AI shooting 200 gr speers for a fire forming load, I was able to dig the bullets out and evaluate their expansion. Clay would be a great test medium, not sure where Mr Banana man lives but clay is generally pretty easy to come up with....
"You'll still have an ant problem" *Laughs in flamethrower and molten aluminum*
Instead of getting rid of the sand test why not use different thicknesses to see how each caliber can make it through.
The result of what happens when the vast majority of ammo manufacturers load 10mm to .40 S&W ballistics 😂
Try 357sig vs 10mm...i think youd be surprised
Considering most 10 mm cartridges are loaded 40 caliber capacities or less, that 10 mm is not anywhere near its maximum knockdown power. I guarantee it
Back when I was in the german navy I learned one complex lesson. 9x19mm is fine in a Uzi, 7.62x51 is ok in a G3 but better in a MG3 and when you want to make an impression you start with 76 (no dot!) mm and work your way up to AGM 84! I have to admit though, lightweight torpedos are hard to use on a gun range 😄
I was also unaware you had a camera in my bathroom
I wasn't. We all know what you do in there. Patreon has it's benefits.
@@TheDarkSkorpion you're right. I should really get paid for my digital japanese toilet asmr
The 10mm ammo needs to me hand loaded to old Norma spec, or needs to be from Underwood for these tests.
Don't buy BuffaloBore, the owners are cucks. Underwood, DoubleTap, and Liberty make the best. The price of hand-loading is actually about equal to just buying from DoubleTap in-bulk.
Glocks are hard on brass with full power loads
@@jasonshults368 Not all of them, depends on the Gen.
He said he loaded them right under getting pressure signs in another comment.
@@anon-means-anon It's going to vary across different manuals. The manuals for years have been stepping down the actual loads for many cartridges. I use new Starline brass when I do Normal spec loads from the 80's when 10mm was 10mm.
The queen ant declares, "Your concrete spalling has ZERO effect on my relentless egg production! And, thanks to your sand box tests, I will move my chambers to 8 inches from the surface! AHAHAH HA HA!"🐜
There is a reason why people are carrying the 10mm with real 10mm ammo in the woods for protection against bears.
No one doubts a 10mm has more stopping power. But, 1) Your accuracy will drop, and hits matter more than noise. 2) It's well over $1 per round for a decent 10mm which limits practice. 3) It's a far less common round, so good luck when supply dwindles or society breaks down.
this sounds like a comment a bear would make 🤔
Devils advocate: in the early days of COVID 10mm was easier to get than 9mm. The price argument and the accuracy argument are legitimate.
"It's a far less common round," I hear this silly excuse all the time. The fact that there are less guns shooting it also means that the supply dwindles down slower. In the last couple of ammo shortages we saw that the first ammo to disappear from shelves were the most popular rounds. People buying uncommon guns were able to find ammo for their guns on shelves after the common calibers had already run out. The .41 magnum, 5.7x28mm, .357 SIG, etc. people were having an easier time in the early stages of the shortages than 9mm, .45 acp, 38 spl people. What this tells us is that if you cared so much about supply dwindling then you'd buy multiple guns in a variety of calibers.
@@areyoutheregoditsmedave Hahaha. You got me!
@@gabek1381 Fair enough friend
The 44 Special and 45 Colt both made it through the sand in the sand in the box test.
Why?
@@tonyromano6220High mass and relatively low kinetic energy means they wouldn’t destroy themselves going through the sand.
Higher velocity may improve anti-armored personnel performance, but higher round weight improves penetration in general.
The fine particles of sand basically act like a solid version of hydro-shock. The low velocity means they don’t displace so much volume so fast they destroy themselves while their weight gives them enough momentum to keep going until they make it through.
@@fatalvenomX Thanks for the explanation. Mine was mostly (educated) guesswork.
Another great test and info, thanks 😊
Love the videos. The humidity reminded of growing up in St. Louis. I now live in the desert in Utah, and a couple of days ago the humidity was only 9%. I'll take the dry heat any day.
Fellow Utah resident and dry heat any day over heat and humidity.
Utah here too, and I agree 💯
.357 Sig would have been closer probably…. They might as well have called it “9mm magnum”. 😂
It would definitely punched through that second plate. I have seen .357 Sig punch through many targets that only Underwood 10mm could get through. They scorch when loaded hot and a good projectile is used. An Extreme Penetrator is one of my favorite. Extreme Defender will work for EDC otherwise.
@@Balticblue93 it really is a decent round. The bottleneck shape would make it feed well I would imagine in a carbine or SMG…. Wonder why no one has done that yet?
Maybe they have and I’m not aware or it’s something obscure. I probably buy either 😂
Great video and great humor!
Loving your channel brother!!
That looks like M1152 NATO spec 9mm ammo. It's good stuff. I'd much prefer that over a 10mm due to the significantly lower recoil. I'd rather put 4 9mm on target than 2 10mm in the same amount of time. It's probably not ideal for Grizzly protection but the 9mm has successfully been used for that purpose, and hunting guides agree that something you can comfortably shoot is more important than missing with a hand cannon.
Dude... A high-powered 10mm round carries 80% more kinetic energy per shot than a 9mm, even these 9mm +P because they are just high-powered 9mm.
780 Ft-lbs vs 420 ft-lbs is 85%. Those two 10mm rounds had almost as much energy as four 9mm...
Knots are harder than the wood around it.
Da fuck is the brand of ammo? I would have used 124g for the 9mm +p.
You're a GEEK !! In a good way that is. I enjoy your commentary. Thanks for the videos.
My 10mm loads are 180g hollow point and about 700-750ft lbs of energy. With the stiffer spring in my glock it really roars and shows the truth of 10mm in its original spec
I subbed. ive been watching you. wait that sounded creeper. haha. you rock. great reviews brother.
It amazes me that the 45 ACP is almost never talked about. I have always believed and known for a fact that a 45 caliber pistol has more stopping force than a 9 mm and even a 10. Why they hatred for the 45 so much?
Your editing is top-notch. And you're hilarious. Thanks!
10mm underwood or buffalo boar hard cast
Like the way you just do the testing, no bs lead in. Great video
I say keep the sand . For one, it's your channel two it's a real-world barrier that has to be worried about.
I laughed so hard at that wall break while sitting on the toilet
Out of curiosity, I'd liek to see you hit the center mass of the 1/8" with the 9mm +P
Bro the small jokes in this episode were on point 🤣🤣🤣
Easily your best work yet you sir, are hilarious and informative.
I love the sand box test. So little can get thru it & that sand bags work better than anything else to protect you.
9mm guys are already crying and stomping their feet. KNOT FAIR!!! (pun intended)
Don't you guys always make the excuse that the 10mm is underloaded?
@@lardomcfarty9866 I don't underload it, but realistically 9mm will never be able to keep up with 10mm - bigger bullet, more case capacity... I have loads that push a 180 gr. Speer Gold Dot to 1350 fps safely. Not bashing 9mm but it will never be 10mm.
@@WHEELGUNNER1 I know, 10mm is a great round. I don't have one yet, but I definitely want one. Has actual practical advantage over 9mm în some cases.
@@lardomcfarty986610mm was cut down for a reason. The standard rounds are still below spec. Blame the feds for being wimps
Come on that first shot with the 9 + p hit a knot in the wood block you should do that shot over😮
You have quite the artistic talent ! Good videos too - thanks man .
Maybe, but that voice.
The best 9mm +P++ is no doubt 357 Sig. Would love to see a match against 10mm
That's misinformation...the best 9mm +p+ is NOT 357sig!!! The best 9mm +p+ (safe) will propel a 124/125 grain bullet at 1300 or so fps....357sig loaded properly can easily reach 1500 fps with the same weight bullet fun facts 👍
@@kevinrichardson8859 maybe I should’ve said best 9mm +P++++ is 357 Sig.
@TransformersHoarder 9mm+p++++ will likely blow your gun up and maybe take parts of your hand with it...if you feel the need to add that many pluses....maybe it's smarter to get a more powerful gun??? 🤔
@@kevinrichardson8859 stuff goes right over your head all the time, doesn’t it…….
Maybe you don’t know that 357 Sig is a 9mm projectile?
That's one nice box of compaints!
😂😂
Thanks!
Lmao at the toilet scene 😂
Sandbox would be cool if it was multiple thin boxes lined up. 1” thick max per box, the cubes are always going to be holding too much sand.
I have something for your box of complaints! 😂😂😂
I'd still take a 10mm over a 9mm. Impact energy is something few people talk about, and it's very important.
Nah, ill take more capacity, smaller weapon profile and less recoil.
I’m a 10mm owner, have been for 34 years and though in a barricaded situation the 10mm would be the clear choice. I’d take the 9mm+p for the capacity, the damage to organs is very close so I’d prefer more rounds on target, less recoil.
@@XRakkgruntX Standard Glock 20 in 10mm is 15 rounds vs 17 rounds for a Glock 17. If that difference in capacity comes into play, you have bigger issues to deal with.
@@Daniel-qe8qe - Glock 20 carries 15 rounds.
@@XRakkgruntX Here's my reason for 10mm: There are people out there with overactive adrenaline glands or who are hopped up on d_ru-gs. They don't know they've been un-lived, and can keep coming at you for a few seconds. Best to have impact energy. I'd go for .44 mag but I'm afraid that some DA would start calling me Dirty Harry to sway the jury in a self-defense prosecution.
the 9 wouldve gone thru, too.... if the point of impact was in the center. as opposed to the corner where the metal framing added resistance.
Shoot the +P in the center of the metal plates like you shot the 10mm.
Your videos remind me why the Geneva Convention exist 😂
I like your channel and the different tests. Did you try using Raid for the queen ant? Lol...
Another RUclipsr did the gel test & found the 9 & 10mm FMJ's went 37" into the gel with the 9mm having 1/2" greater penetration.
Why it looks burnt in the gel. When the squishy stuff goes back to shape, it raises the pressure. It's called *adiabatic heating*. Molecules in hot gasses are farther apart and less dense (that's how hot air balloons work). If you squish the molecules together, rapidly, they they heat up, like an air compressor or diesel engine. The opposite is when uncompressing a gas. When you spray canned air on your hand, the gasses take energy from you (feels cold).
editing is AMAZING 🤩
LOL, I love your ADD riddled videos Banana man 🍌
I kinda figured even particularly spicy 9x19 still wouldn't have the "authority" of 10mm. Still a lot of fun to watch! This channel and Tools & Targets are my favourites for cartridge performance. Additionally, I feel like if you retire the sand box, you should replace it with modeling clay!
Bro the sand is the great filter of high power bullets and I love it and I will be sad if it is gone, I love to see how much power it takes to go through it
I like the sandbox, at least it gives participation points to all calibers😂
The guy on the sh*tter. Hilarious😂
If that is in fact M1152 ammunition in the 9mm, something to consider is that it can be found in bulk, on-line, and often on sale at a reasonable price. A long barreled pistol will get good velocity out of it. For defense in the woods, the 9mm that you already know and practice a lot with, and can shoot accurately and quickly, is probably a better choice for you than a 10mm or other big-bore that you can't shoot as well with. There's a good study of actual results against bear attacks that shows that any decent cartridge can, and has done the job with a high success rate.
Here's a silly idea for a video - .38 Long Colt vs .22lr
The .38LC was the cartridge the US Army used in its revolvers until the 1911 and .45acp came about. Supposedly the .38LC was slower and weaker than modern .22lr, and there are stories of people being shot 5-6 times point blank and having to be beaten or stabbed to stop fighting back.
Everything I've read on it says that it can be reloaded and fired out of .38 special or .357 magnum revolvers since its the same bullet just with a case shorter than .38 special and half the powder of it.
I hate shooting pressure treated lumber because the hole created by the projectile, allows all the pressure to escape.
+P+ 9mm, vs 10mm vs 45 Super. The world needs to know.
I like the sand and concrete tests. Forget the haters I say keep it up great content!
Your momma jokes cant be far away....great video and hilarious....
I was told the box of complaints was full. Lol
Handgun cartridges are often still just that unfortunately. But the 10mm does have a little extra spice for those shields.
i love that sand scenario...its my everyday problem :D
Thanks for doing a thin steel test! I’m buying a shipping container (slightly thicker than 1/16” walls) and was wondering whether it would happen to block normal handgun calibers.
I’m going to say no, unless it was something really light like a .380 auto or .22lr. Luckily I’m not buying it for ballistic protection anyway.
Good stuff , great voice for radio or yt
If only to go back in time.. I love 10mm, but I'm not about to switch the collection out at this point. Yes, Im lazy about how many calibers I keep around. But a few 10's are on the list as defensive toys.
great channel
feeling extra goofy with this video huh. I dig it
Everything is better with a plus!
And even better with 2 +
"Box of Complaints". MWahahahahaa!!
you need to "layer" the sandbox with pieces of paper an inch apart. You can then just pull out the pieces of paper to record how far each bullet had penetrated.
Let’s see some 277 fury projectiles into ballistic gel. No one else has done that. Love the work 🤙
Garand Thumb did
Try testing these out of longer barrels and I guarantee you that you will be super impressed by the performance enhancements they will both receive from a longer barrel.
9mm performs ballistically very, VERY similarly to the .357mag when shot from a 16 inch barrel but I couldn't say how a true 10mm performs out of a 16in barrel since I've not found a carbine chambered in true 10mm only 40 s&w which we all know to be 10mm short but is not quite the same performance as the 10mm.
But in handguns, they both have their pros and cons. If you use a metal frame handgun over a polymer frame, you'll get far more recoil out of the 10mm but you can get equal recoil shooting a 9mm glock 19 since it's frame is shorter with less to grip and the slide is nowhere near the size of the 17 making it a bit more snappy in recoil.
My suggestion: Replace the sandbox with fabric (like sheets or denim) or copy paper so you can count the layers they penetrated if they get stopped.
9mm+P vs 38 Super would be an interesting test!! I'm curious how that would turn out
If you want to keep the sand, maybe do a stack of USPS shipping boxes (PM Small FR's) filled with sand, that'd give you a series of 1&3/4ths thick boxes (still tape-able!) you could stack up to gauge penetration with increments.
I'd like to see crono numbers on that +p9 and 40 cal. Maybe even full test
Wanna see this channel at 1m subs keep it up man.