Again I’ll happily stick with my old CE2 which is about 30yrs old, built like a tank & still works like a dream, I don’t feel any need to update an already lovely effect.
The Waza has simply something more: you can use it as an old ce2, of with a more “psychedelic” sound (as someone has observed), or adding the tremolo. It gives more chances, and that’s why I’ve bought it. If you cannot afford it, it’s a different matter.
Si tienen duda de cual pedal Chorus comprarse. En mi experiencia: yo llevo unos 4 años usando el pedal CE-2W y es una maravilla lo uso en mis canciones, por sus funciones da una versatilidad enorme a la hora de la composición.
I've had my old CE2 for 40 years and gigged with it for years and still love it. Sounds warmer than the Waza, but the CE1 setting on the Waza is awesome. No need for me to upgrade, but if I needed a new chorus I would go for it.
I went to buy some Waza pedals today, but some guy had just sold them a few early 80s Boss. I ended getting a CE-2 and BF-2 for $120cad each. Sound good so far,!
So how many volts were running through the CE-2 1981 pedal? Those old pedals really like 12 volt too. The LED barely show on 9 volts. Plus on 12 volts(viery early vintage pedals) they clear up and have more headroom.
There's no transparent buffer thing, if you can't hear it, that's another story. The waza craft buffers are the same as the normal boss pedals sold today. They all add something to the signal. They crush your signal and add treble.
@@Martin_Tudela_Orsi So it's not just me then ! I've loved my CE-2 for over 30 years, but the obvious loss of low frequencies and signal strength in bypass drives me to frequently exclude it. You reckon the current Waza still have the same issues ? With so many players typically using loop/switching systems these days they likely don't notice.
I have a Boss DM-2W and I had a CE-2W. Also have some standard Boss pedals but the ones that are currently manufactured. They all have the same type of buffer and impedances. They all add treble and squash the signal. There is no transparent buffer.
@@Martin_Tudela_Orsi Thanks for the clarification. In dozens of endless threads I've found just a few posts that share experiences like mine with Boss pedals, you're the most recent. I've read certain older circuits fare worse than others, my DM 2 / 3 and CE 2 included, and explanations where the signal/frequencies are lost, leaving a thinner/brighter resulting tone. I'd hoped 40 years of progress would rectify things, but alas. Thanks for the heads-up.
I'll tell you one thing from experience: I've owned a lot of Boss pedals over the years. Finding a Boss pedal with a nice buffer that doesn't change the signal too much is a lottery. I only found them on a OD-3 1997 and a DD-3 from the late 80's. All the others add too much treble to my setup.
I have a CE-2 somewhere from the 80s but I spent all my money and bought the wasa immediately I tried the CE-1 which I never had and omg it’s soo 70s or 80s it’s nostalgic!!! I’m using the CE-1 setting wasa even for Metal
Update tho' it did kill the highs? i took it to practice and I saw that? wierd,,, with a distorted tone... like REV G3 even tube screamer... highs went,,, not sure what to do?@@TSFAHTPS
Ce-2 Waza = more psichedelic sound. Ce -2 vintage : more pop sound 80' Personally today I would buy and choose the ce-2 waza. In my opinion it sounds better.
Comparing both pedals is kind of tricky because even comparing two identical CE-2 you could have different sounds due to components with different (but minimal) values.
No idea…never tried anything like that before! I think they are really very close in sound…especially in a band…I don’t think you would notice much of a difference
Same here. MIJ Black Label, 1980, no serial number (batch number only) CE-2 and I sold it to pay for dental work.. In hindsight I should have waited and put up with the pain as 6 months later I got a new job with a bit more money.. 😭😭
I'm not a vintage snob at all, but I don't know what it is...the old one seems to sound sweeter, whereas the new waza sounds more hifi; same with the dc2.
@@RJ_HTx I'd like to compare them with my ears anyway... I have already a Ce2 and probably I'm gonna get the Ce2w soon or later, more for the ce1 feature honestly (and also because I'm a chorus collector/junkie).
@@lovecraftmusic8717 The CE2W has a better buffer than the original CE2. The original cuts lows & highs, even in bypass, so yes the CE2W is literally more hifi. Have you ever noticed how all these comparisons never put a distortion pedal in front? That'd highlight the MIJ Boss buffer and elitists won't be able to justify inflated prices for an inferior pedal that requires workarounds to work in a setup.
@@3rdStoreyChemist Yep. Boss biffed it on the bypass of the CE-2. They could have routed the signal just slightly differently avoided coloration when in bypass. Except it sounds like the Waza removed the tone-shaping completely, so I understand why many people out there are commenting that it's missing the 'analog warmth'.
@@thos1618 It hasn't removed the tone shaping completely. If you set it up for vibrato (plug a patch cable into output B to leave the full wet signal) it does colour the sound quite significantly. BBD chips haven't developed into having a full frequency response. The issue is the original CE2 doesn't have a second output to compare the wet signals of both and how they compare to each other. So its arguable that we are mostly comparing how the buffers affect the dry sound rather than the EQ of the actual effect. The CE2 was great when it was going for £40, but if you've got £200 for a chorus pedal, you've more than likely got a setup which is only going to be ruined by an original CE2's buffer. It's never off.
did you use the ce2 with 12 volts ? that pedal should be used with 12 that led light looks dead. cannot compare if you don't do it that way. back then that ce2 was feeded with 12 volts not a lot of people knows it. I know I have it
They are different on 2 setting neither is better or worse just different but I prefer the Waza for the additional 1 mode. The old pedal will eventually fail its old now. The Waza will last me for life - Waza it is.
The old pedal had some mids shaping that didn't fully go away when in bypass. The Waza likely 'fixed' this. Just like with the TR-2, the cloudy sound was part of the effect.
@@TSFAHTPS I was still confused, so I looked it up in Spanish and I skipped his with subtitles!!!! .... I love your humor and explanation of the effects.... only I don't understand english so much but I admire them, thanks for everything
I use to have both but sold the Waza! To be honest, nobody will notice much of a difference but I noticed the original was abit smoother on its rate cycle! It’s just a tiny bit more overall but in a band mix, nobody will hear or care about the difference
This convinced me not to buy a CE-2w. It sounds tinny next to the original to me. Since it doesn't get the sound, might as well stick with a TC Electronic Corona pedal and various Toneprints which also can "get close".
They should have made the switch go between the murky tone-shaping of the original CE-2 and the cleaned up modern, highfi sound, rather then try to emulate a totally different product.
I prefer the Waza, just for the CE-1 switch. I'm also kind of OCD, so the shiny, new pedal definitely wins. :) You have to write a song around that progression. You'll have lighters waving in no time...
Hey guys, nice show as usual; like the vibe and the gear you check out... but my ears are always straining to hear Alex's comments. Maybe a louder mic? I think you're in the right game to sort out any tone issues ;)
Here’s the thing...the OG silver screw CE-2’s used different components than any of the later ones and sound better than the rest of them. Snobby but true! Don’t believe it? Try one for yourself!
Bull. Anything with the 3007 chip from 1979 to 1991 sounds great. They vary slightly from pedal to pedal-but you can find a MIT late 80s that sounds just as good as a silver screw Japanese. It’s all a bunch of pedal collector driven hype to raise values.
Fly Johnson Believe what you like and use the cheaper one if you think it sounds just as good...the first run CE-2’s always sound consistently better to me than the later ones. Nothing to do with collector hype, I use my ears to make judgements.
@@sixbladeknife44 It is down to each pedal. There are just as good of versions in green label MIJ and MIT. Maybe the early ones were more consistent like 9 out of 10 vs 7 out of 10 sound tops, but they have slight variations in all versions. That said a Roland Chorus is distinctly a Roland Chorus. Some have a bit more top end, some a bit of highs rolled off and even that is subjective. Pedal comparisons on their own are not really a good science. On it's own a pedal with rolled off highs and more lower mids ALWAYS sounds "warmer" thus perceived as better. But in a mix a pedal with some nice top end as long as not shrill will sit in a mix better and actually sounds better within the blanket of those frequencies. It is all so subjective and at times very psychological. YMMV
Fly Johnson Sorry, I cant agree...I’ve owned countless numbers of both. By all means use the cheaper/later versions if that’s what works for you. I kept a few OG silver screws for recording, the rest are gone.
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I have to say the CE-1 mode on the wasa is the best sound out of all the pedals (counting the ce-2 mode as a pedal)
Again I’ll happily stick with my old CE2 which is about 30yrs old, built like a tank & still works like a dream, I don’t feel any need to update an already lovely effect.
I still have my original CE 2 from 1982....never getting rid of it and I have yet to hear a chorus that sounds better.
Old is better and that makes me feel good, because i'm old.
i know Im quite randomly asking but do anybody know of a good website to watch new movies online ?
@Devon Alfredo I would suggest flixzone. You can find it on google :)
The Waza has simply something more: you can use it as an old ce2, of with a more “psychedelic” sound (as someone has observed), or adding the tremolo. It gives more chances, and that’s why I’ve bought it. If you cannot afford it, it’s a different matter.
Si tienen duda de cual pedal Chorus comprarse. En mi experiencia: yo llevo unos 4 años usando el pedal CE-2W y es una maravilla lo uso en mis canciones, por sus funciones da una versatilidad enorme a la hora de la composición.
I've had my old CE2 for 40 years and gigged with it for years and still love it. Sounds warmer than the Waza, but the CE1 setting on the Waza is awesome. No need for me to upgrade, but if I needed a new chorus I would go for it.
I went to buy some Waza pedals today, but some guy had just sold them a few early 80s Boss. I ended getting a CE-2 and BF-2 for $120cad each. Sound good so far,!
Thank you for saving me loads of money. My old CE-2 is brilliant and there’s nothing to be gained from getting the CE-2W. Both sound excellent.
I mean thats just not true. The waza literally has two more modes than the old one.
Was hoping the CE-2w was going to replace my aging 1986 CE-2. I no longer have the CE-2w.
So how many volts were running through the CE-2 1981 pedal? Those old pedals really like 12 volt too. The LED barely show on 9 volts. Plus on 12 volts(viery early vintage pedals) they clear up and have more headroom.
The old CE-2 was running at 12V
In this case it was the bucket brigade chips that limited the headroom. Not sure if the BB chips benefit from a higher supply voltage or not.
The waza is built with a new transparent buffer for a clean bypass. I do prefer the old ce2, but its warm buffer sound comes through in bypass
There's no transparent buffer thing, if you can't hear it, that's another story.
The waza craft buffers are the same as the normal boss pedals sold today. They all add something to the signal. They crush your signal and add treble.
@@Martin_Tudela_Orsi So it's not just me then ! I've loved my CE-2 for over 30 years, but the obvious loss of low frequencies and signal strength in bypass drives me to frequently exclude it. You reckon the current Waza still have the same issues ? With so many players typically using loop/switching systems these days they likely don't notice.
I have a Boss DM-2W and I had a CE-2W. Also have some standard Boss pedals but the ones that are currently manufactured.
They all have the same type of buffer and impedances.
They all add treble and squash the signal. There is no transparent buffer.
@@Martin_Tudela_Orsi Thanks for the clarification. In dozens of endless threads I've found just a few posts that share experiences like mine with Boss pedals, you're the most recent. I've read certain older circuits fare worse than others, my DM 2 / 3 and CE 2 included, and explanations where the signal/frequencies are lost, leaving a thinner/brighter resulting tone. I'd hoped 40 years of progress would rectify things, but alas. Thanks for the heads-up.
I'll tell you one thing from experience: I've owned a lot of Boss pedals over the years. Finding a Boss pedal with a nice buffer that doesn't change the signal too much is a lottery.
I only found them on a OD-3 1997 and a DD-3 from the late 80's. All the others add too much treble to my setup.
I have a CE-2 somewhere from the 80s but I spent all my money and bought the wasa immediately I tried the CE-1 which I never had and omg it’s soo 70s or 80s it’s nostalgic!!! I’m using the CE-1 setting wasa even for Metal
Yeah the CE-1 is definitely special!!
Update tho' it did kill the highs? i took it to practice and I saw that? wierd,,, with a distorted tone... like REV G3 even tube screamer... highs went,,, not sure what to do?@@TSFAHTPS
I know this is supposed to be about the chorus pedals, but I really love that Eastwood Twintone Airline guitar.
Paul Von Tyrant it looks and sounds so good
@@TSFAHTPS Indeed it does.
Ce-2 Waza = more psichedelic sound.
Ce -2 vintage : more pop sound 80'
Personally today I would buy and choose the ce-2 waza. In my opinion it sounds better.
The most beautiful shade of blue
Comparing both pedals is kind of tricky because even comparing two identical CE-2 you could have different sounds due to components with different (but minimal) values.
Absolutely
Yeah, and if you aren't looking at the video, so you can't see them switch, there's no bloody difference.
There's a reason for double-blind testing.
Do you think my GE7 EQ can get the wazas tone nearer to the original CE2 warmth??
No idea…never tried anything like that before! I think they are really very close in sound…especially in a band…I don’t think you would notice much of a difference
@@TSFAHTPS thx for reply. I mostly play alone so wont be compensated by playing in a mix, strat into prri. Sometimes w SD1
I sold my MIJ CE-2 after I bought the CE-2w because I couldn't tell the difference. Given the jump in value, I now regret selling it.
Same here. MIJ Black Label, 1980, no serial number (batch number only) CE-2 and I sold it to pay for dental work..
In hindsight I should have waited and put up with the pain as 6 months later I got a new job with a bit more money.. 😭😭
I'm not a vintage snob at all, but I don't know what it is...the old one seems to sound sweeter, whereas the new waza sounds more hifi; same with the dc2.
Exactly why I don’t like new pedals. They all sound hifi to my ears.
@@RJ_HTx I'd like to compare them with my ears anyway... I have already a Ce2 and probably I'm gonna get the Ce2w soon or later, more for the ce1 feature honestly (and also because I'm a chorus collector/junkie).
@@lovecraftmusic8717 The CE2W has a better buffer than the original CE2. The original cuts lows & highs, even in bypass, so yes the CE2W is literally more hifi.
Have you ever noticed how all these comparisons never put a distortion pedal in front? That'd highlight the MIJ Boss buffer and elitists won't be able to justify inflated prices for an inferior pedal that requires workarounds to work in a setup.
@@3rdStoreyChemist Yep. Boss biffed it on the bypass of the CE-2. They could have routed the signal just slightly differently avoided coloration when in bypass.
Except it sounds like the Waza removed the tone-shaping completely, so I understand why many people out there are commenting that it's missing the 'analog warmth'.
@@thos1618 It hasn't removed the tone shaping completely. If you set it up for vibrato (plug a patch cable into output B to leave the full wet signal) it does colour the sound quite significantly. BBD chips haven't developed into having a full frequency response.
The issue is the original CE2 doesn't have a second output to compare the wet signals of both and how they compare to each other.
So its arguable that we are mostly comparing how the buffers affect the dry sound rather than the EQ of the actual effect.
The CE2 was great when it was going for £40, but if you've got £200 for a chorus pedal, you've more than likely got a setup which is only going to be ruined by an original CE2's buffer. It's never off.
The original ce2 more depth
Waza more clear and modern
I prefer ce5, but have to know how to regulate
5:37 That's what she said...
Shocked! The old one sounds cooler ;)
New one has more attack right?
waza sounds better to me, probably cause it hasn't got aging components inside making the sound weaker. The waza is newer so it's fresher and juicier.
did you use the ce2 with 12 volts ? that pedal should be used with 12 that led light looks dead. cannot compare if you don't do it that way.
back then that ce2 was feeded with 12 volts not a lot of people knows it. I know I have it
@@ivanalejandro8157 yes we did…I’m sure we would have mentioned it in the video too
They are different on 2 setting neither is better or worse just different but I prefer the Waza for the additional 1 mode. The old pedal will eventually fail its old now. The Waza will last me for life - Waza it is.
Old one sounds vintage and the Waza is brighter.
The old one is definitely the winner
Old one has more low mids That is why it sounds more warm and deep. Waza sounds more scooped and clear.
The old pedal had some mids shaping that didn't fully go away when in bypass. The Waza likely 'fixed' this. Just like with the TR-2, the cloudy sound was part of the effect.
@@thos1618 Looks like it was buffer's problem, not effect itself.
Likely my GE7 EQ can get the waza nearer to the original CE2 warmth?
The Spanish subtitles are quite appreciated..... greetings excellent video, I stay with the waza
I didn’t even know that we had Spanish subtitles...good to know!
@@TSFAHTPS
I was still confused, so I looked it up in Spanish and I skipped his with subtitles!!!! .... I love your humor and explanation of the effects.... only I don't understand english so much but I admire them, thanks for everything
I use to have both but sold the Waza! To be honest, nobody will notice much of a difference but I noticed the original was abit smoother on its rate cycle! It’s just a tiny bit more overall but in a band mix, nobody will hear or care about the difference
This convinced me not to buy a CE-2w. It sounds tinny next to the original to me. Since it doesn't get the sound, might as well stick with a TC Electronic Corona pedal and various Toneprints which also can "get close".
They should have made the switch go between the murky tone-shaping of the original CE-2 and the cleaned up modern, highfi sound, rather then try to emulate a totally different product.
I prefer the Waza, just for the CE-1 switch. I'm also kind of OCD, so the shiny, new pedal definitely wins. :) You have to write a song around that progression. You'll have lighters waving in no time...
I never meant to cause you any sorrow....laughing in the purple rain.
In standard mode, I can't tell a difference.
Of course CE-2w is better.
They talk more than they play and when they play its only a few notes. All the old ones sound different pedal to pedal.
What power supply did you use with the old one?
Tom Poynton we used the 12V output on a Decibel Eleven Hot Stone Deluxe
The SuperFunAwesomeHappyTime Pedal Show! Is the correct answer haha
Do you use compression on vocal mics? Sometimes hard to hear you both.
Hey guys, nice show as usual; like the vibe and the gear you check out... but my ears are always straining to hear Alex's comments. Maybe a louder mic? I think you're in the right game to sort out any tone issues ;)
David Allanby Alex is lot quieter than me (Gabor here) ...he handles all the audio...I’ll talk to him about it
Old has more brilliance tone than waza. The same story with DC-2.
wish I didn't like that CE-2 the most, will be the only vintage pedal on my board.
what year is the old ce-2 ?
I should have mentioned that in the video...its 1981
El boss vintage ce-1 old . El otro es sonido más digital .
If your guitars were people, they'd be both of you!
That’s very deep
I have both and to me the 2w lacks some of the vibe. Hard to explain but I prefer the old one. Maybe more flange happening with the old...
Lower mids. Warmth.
Like the difference between a script Phase 90 and Block Phase 90 & the comparable modes on the Phase 95
the chord sequence you were playing sounded like Cher's "Believe" lol
Fasta an dipa
Nice guys!
Thank you!!
Old old one has less top end, it’s bassier and mufflier.
Here’s the thing...the OG silver screw CE-2’s used different components than any of the later ones and sound better than the rest of them. Snobby but true! Don’t believe it? Try one for yourself!
Bull. Anything with the 3007 chip from 1979 to 1991 sounds great. They vary slightly from pedal to pedal-but you can find a MIT late 80s that sounds just as good as a silver screw Japanese. It’s all a bunch of pedal collector driven hype to raise values.
Fly Johnson Believe what you like and use the cheaper one if you think it sounds just as good...the first run CE-2’s always sound consistently better to me than the later ones. Nothing to do with collector hype, I use my ears to make judgements.
@@sixbladeknife44 It is down to each pedal. There are just as good of versions in green label MIJ and MIT. Maybe the early ones were more consistent like 9 out of 10 vs 7 out of 10 sound tops, but they have slight variations in all versions. That said a Roland Chorus is distinctly a Roland Chorus. Some have a bit more top end, some a bit of highs rolled off and even that is subjective. Pedal comparisons on their own are not really a good science. On it's own a pedal with rolled off highs and more lower mids ALWAYS sounds "warmer" thus perceived as better. But in a mix a pedal with some nice top end as long as not shrill will sit in a mix better and actually sounds better within the blanket of those frequencies. It is all so subjective and at times very psychological. YMMV
Fly Johnson Sorry, I cant agree...I’ve owned countless numbers of both. By all means use the cheaper/later versions if that’s what works for you. I kept a few OG silver screws for recording, the rest are gone.
nothing match the old boss pedals period.dont even try.please.