Elder's Mark - It's Much Better than You Think It Is! - Fallout 76
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Glad there is finally a tommy gun that is a tier above 'just for fun'!
Love Tap is an awesome Tommy!
Same. I just rolled a Quad explosive 25LVC elders mark yesterday. It so fun to use.
All I use now as I don't have fun with fixer and handmade now.
Cursed not only adds dmg but also increases fire rate, so thats why the ROF goes up that much
Don't sleep on the explosive ones, I rolled a VE version and it does really, really well. I also suspect that the VATS % is not correct on this weapon. Mine seems to hit a lot even when it is like 12%
How do you get a cursed effect? Do i have to reroll it or something?
Does it show the cursed effect?
@@gabrieln8003 its tied with the gun, its always on it
@@raskol60 oh so it’s like invisible or something? Cause I’m inspecting mine and it doesn’t say it’s cursed :/
Awesome video Turtle 🐢
For a follow up; I would love to see a side by side dps comparison against the Collossus like you did in a previous vid. Elder’s Mark vs. Fixer
I love your outfit so much, Turtle! I really think they did all the new turtle stuff specifically for you. Well deserved! 💚
That was my first thought too😂😂 and even ogua turned out like he was guessing in the past when he said he wished there was such a boss enemy😂
I can finally be a Turtle in Fallout for real :)
Is his outfit and event drop?
@@WhiZsKeRsits from this season's scoreboard I believe. But the backpack, yes. Its from the new event, Burden of Beast. And there is an actual Ogua outfit plan from the same event too, just not what he's wearing in the video
@@WhiZsKeRs the outfit is a fo1st reward, late on the scoreboard around level 70. And the backpack is a random reward from beast of burden event
Submachine guns are so cracked with the single effect of 60% armour penetration. It’s insane that I haven’t realized before how good they were. Just created a bloodied but I’m gonna try to get a vampires.
I got two of these and some holy fires and started rolling them last night and came up with some pretty good rolls out of 100 modules that I ran through. Got two anti armor elders marks.
What other effects did they get?
Can really see a good combo of explosive fixer/Handmade for open areas and eldersmark for close quarters. You get detected much easier when running explosive and in close quarters range is no issue. Also great for crowd Control.
I got one with armor piercing and explosive bullets, it honestly feels really good to use, especially with the armor piercing reciever on it!
Thank you so much for this great breakdown of the Elder's Mark and the best combinations for it, Turtle!!! I finally, Finally, FINALLY got my hands on an Elder's Mark yesterday! For some reason, I think I obtained one when the event for it first launched, and not knowing how good it was, I traded it for scrip. After seeing this video when it came out a month ago, I've been trying to get one, but the event where it drops just doesn't seem to happen that much anymore, but yesterday, I finally found one for sale at a guy's camp vending machine. Now, I just have to roll a faster fire rate/-AP cost, and I'm set. I'm now running with an Elders Mark, a Quad/Explosive/+1 Perception Railway Rifle, a Quad/+50% Crit Dmg/+15% Reload Speed Tesla Rifle (Yes, I know how awesome this gun is! :), a Furious Prime Enclave Plasma Rifle (w/aligned flamer barrel:), and a Nuka Cola Grenade Launcher. I just have to re-roll the Elders Mark as mentioned, as well as the Enclave Plasma Rifle and the Nuka Cola Grenade Launcher, and I'm all set for weaponry for a while. :)
congrats 🥳
Awesome info thank you. I love this gun and the handmade because the recoil is as you pointed out so much easier to handle out of vats.
The AP cost for this is so low that its almost a waste to have lower AP cost as the third star , sorta like the railway used to be , I rolled a QE15c and 15c as the third star has benefitted me more.
It hurts more on non-unyielding builds.
On my commando build I prefer using my quad 2525 pipe rifle. I have the fixer and HM in the same. The pipe is just more fun and feels more fallout.
Nice! Thanks for testing it and posting the results Turtle.
has anyone noticed that damage from enemies has increased especially from robots, since the game was updated. with power armor of 500 energy resistance, they didn't take anything of my health, now it's abnormally taking away my health, especially the robots??
yea everyone knows about it, but no one knows if it’s a bug or intentional from what I’ve seen.
Assaultron is already brutal enough.
Yes. Absolutely. I have been getting wrecked by Robots after the update. But I don't really mind. It just forces me to be smarter when facing robots.
@@masterobiwan3349 I'm a relatively new player, I've only been playing fallout 76 for 4 months, I'm playing alone, I don't have a team, I've reached level 170 and I'm planning to reach level 200 at least in order to access the nuclear launch mission, I've solved all side missions and main missions, but the last one remained. I put all the perks together well, but not well enough to pass the nuclear launch by myself, my plan was after 200 to upgrade all the legendary perks to 5 to make the mission against the robots easier, but after this update, I have no chance now
It's a real thing.
You can get the fixer below 5 ap usage. Mine is 4, but I can make it 3 changing the magazine mod. Same for the handmade which blew my mind because I always thought you couldn’t get the ap usage close, especially not low as, the fixer.
I can't wait for an SMG to get some love like this.
AP cost for my fixer is 3-4 with the -25% ap cost depending what mag I am using, but this looks very decent
I'm going to try this out. My Fixer has a faster fire rate, so I can't wait to see the difference in performance.
I was testing it today actually and yeah, it hits so fast.
Been using a Be25 Tommy for a bit now. It's a fun gun to use.
All of these new named weapons are decent! Really cool that you can reroll them too if you don’t like the effects.
I love using the elders mark
Are you getting the Elder's Mark with those rolls from the event or from rolling it in a weapons bench? If the later, what's the base effects for the base Elders Mark?
He is re rolling them at a weapon workbench . It drops from the Beast of Burden event with the same effects everytime just like all the other new named weapons. The elders mark drops with Furious, 25 weapon speed , 15 faster reload +the hidden cursed effect. The cursed effect always stays with Submachine Gun even if it's re rolled .
@@bryanb.3091 Okay, thanks. Didn't know you could reroll the new weapons.
@@redcomputfox
You can reroll that old cursed pick axe too lol and harpoon gun too
@@LCInfantry Thamks for telling me after starting at wastelanders
So much to weigh/balance... armor penetration on a curve based on weapon damage anyway, so higher per shot damage equals "auto armor pen" in a sense. Time on target with AP cost with many mobs or a boss. I think you may use a bit more ammo, but they increased ammo rewards. Looks like Elder's is about even with Fixer. So, all about the style now!
This gun was a pleasant surprise. I prefer to run and gun rather than sit back at range as a commando, so I usually use this over my fixer now
same and it’s something different as well..
I like the standard gun as it comes but being a bloodied build it would be nice to have that extra damage per bullet
Then don’t use it
@@LCInfantry what
@@LCInfantry😂 no idea what you mean . I love it. I now have 5 all modded differently. Quad , anti armour , aristocrats , bloodied , medics and the original one which I will keep on display
@@benitezkebab
Hmmm, idk. I was a bit intoxicated then Lmao.
@@LCInfantry all been there and done that mate :)
I managed to roll a BE15c version . It’s pretty fun.
So is weapon speed and fire rate the same thing? This was confusing me as I rolled a few fixers with weapon speed but the fire rate didnt show any changes.
the same thing, exit the crafting and inspect weapon fire rate will update
I rerolled one and got an bloodied explosive.
Cool video turtle I disregarded the elder's mark as being trash, but now I know better.
Yeah likewise 😮
For a good while, over half of the year ive been trying to get some good thompson, thankfully the elders mark came in!
This build really helped me thank you ❤❤❤
I got a Q/E/25ap and it's fckn sick. I even re-arrange my build for having 500 APs, and the 200 bullets in Vats are sick asf
but does it preform any good in non stealth commando build? back when i was using the normal submachine gun with non stealth build it was okay-ish. now i do wonder if the Elder's mark is may better at that
It's fine as non stealth. I don't spec into stealth at all and it holds its own just fine
where does it drop at? i think i got this once but sold it without much of a look. only been able to get holy fire since tho.
i have always liked Thompson subs they are actually very fun used to use them when me and some friends used to farm nuked white springs there a reason i collect them i had the elder before it even came out including ae qe 2525 etc nearly all rolls :)
Oops i got one and scripped it holy fore in its native state works for me nicely i normally dont use commando build if im not chainsawing or auto chopping green boys i use an aae lever action in vats and it works great one hit wonder outside events but maybe ill have to try and get a couple before teusday when the reset hits and try this out
I rolled an AA explosive Elder’s Mark, but I don’t find it better than my Anti Armor fast fire Handmade or Anti Armor Fast Fire Fixer. Maybe its default attributes (furious etc) are better suited for it.
Problem for me is… it’s going to use like 3x the ammo a fixer would at the end of the day.
They did enhance the ammo drops... maybe because of that ;)
We have Ammo factory legendary perk card. There is absolutely no reason players should be complaining about making bullets and holding onto the bullets (ammo storage box with Fo1st). Sorry, but people literally just bitch to just bitch.
Some people knew that people would still complain about ammo. We found another one, guys!
There is literally not a hole lot to do in this game… so doing a single run or two to “Rusty Hole Mine” is very inviting now-a-days. Before I’d have to do a run everyday because I was using a freaken junkies 1star mini, while doing bosses every hour with a friend group. lmao.
@@LCInfantryyou seem like a child
@@glupshitto1977
People complaining about ammo just slightly triggers me, there sport lol
@@LCInfantry you clearly dont think before talking
#1 not everyone wants to pay a subscription just for an ammo box
#2 not everyone wants to level up an ammo perk just to craft ammo when they dont wanna buy a subsciption to hold the resources for the ammo
And it takes alot of levels just to get the perk coins
So its not beginner friendly or average friendly
#3 lucky hole mine was nerfed
Even angry turtle mentioned it before so now it takes 3 more runs just to do 1 run before the nerf
They reduced the amount you get
And you still need an acid farm
So youll be wasting more time just to use a gun thats not the best and probably takes more effort than others just to enjoy
Sorry but you seem to be crying because people dont bootlick and want guns to be better
Not decent at best when other guns do it better
Theres a reason why the tommygun was always rejected along with the mg42
Theyre not worth using if you waste more ammo than needed
Other guns do it better
Thats why the fixer is considered the king for rifles
i think i'll stick with my B2525 god roll fixer but might try rolling for a good elders mark in the meanwhile, its not like ammo is a problem but higher firerate + lower dmg means you burn through ammo a lot quicker, which would mean i have to take more with for a bossfight for example, so more weight. certainly a good weapon though and ill do some testing if it fits into my build
Bandolier is your friend. For just 2 card slots you get pretty much unlimited ammo capacity.
I feel ya. I also run b2525, and it's realllllly ammo efficient
@@gametime2473 I run it of course, not much use for strength in a vats commando but still, I don't want to burn through that much ammo
i always though that tommy gun and the normal assault rifle are not that good and handmade or fixer where better but an tommy gun this good i gotta get my hands on that
That reload speed on the assault rifle is pretty fast though XD
How/where do you get the armor piercing receiver plan?
It really is I had so much fun playing around with it.
Actually, I feel certain right now ternal that your armor penetration on the weapon around your armor penetration from the legendary effect will be additive. Tag killer will not, and you don’t really need a tank killer
I re-rolled mine and got a Vamp25/25 and it is awesome!!
@4:36 I have the exact same gun with exact same mods as you but my damage number on the left side for gun is only 58 . Why is that ? was this gun nerfed ?
I know what it's worth... 40 scrip.
You need to try it with 50 probability on vats, that increases a lot of the range like 15% or 20%
It won't replace my fixer, but I think I'll keep one of these around. I have bunches of them. It's fun to shoot something different from time to time. I had some fun with the gun from Tunnel of Love, but it ate up too much ammo and had bad range. The Elder's Mark seems better than the Tunnel of Love gun.
I love my Love Tap gun. Downed a scorchbeast and melted it yesterday, thanks to Angry Turtle's stealth commando build plus Excavator Power Armor.. If this is better than it's a real hoot!
Melted a legendary scorchbeast with my vampire Love Tap today. My vampire fire chainsaw is now on the bank. 45 ammo is cheap to make and the gun is lighter than the chainsaw.
I have an aristocrats last shot 25 less ap.
And a AA vats hit chance with 50% weapon dura. Love both of them. Need a B5025 tho. I had a quad ffr but re rolled it as the crits didn't register
I've got that weapon and it's no different to a normal Tommy gun it's just got a skin on it
I got a be1p roll on this but it seems kinda meh
Pretty much requires you get 25lvc to really shine because of how fast it can drain your ap since its fr is so high
It's basically a souped-up spray and pray from Fallout 4
Oo! I gotta get one of those! 😮
So what's the difference between the elders mark and a regular 3 star tommy gun? Is it just cursed?
Will re rolling the elders mark remove the cursed effect?
It doesn’t remove the cursed effect. In a previous video he showed us re-rolling them.
Do they make targets that you can put in your camp to test your weapons damage on?
Been waiting to see a smg compared to the spray and pray in falllout 4 and i think we found something similar
I know that backpack drops from the new events but does that outfit drop from them as well? If not where can you get it from?
scoreboard
I have a anti-armor version & I like it.
Goes well with the black suit.
I was using this for a while and actually ran through the 8000 .45 I had saved up . It is great but a real bullet-hose.
I'd love it! If I wasn't running rifleman, because of my Enclave plasma rifle... LOL!
I got a two shot explosive -25% AP cost tommy gun a week ago but I haven’t used it yet, is it still viable in this current update?
Your gonna want an elders mark. It's the cursed effects that make it a competitive weapon. Even the stock one will be better than the reg. Version Tommy you have. That said, its still a cool roll.
The Elders Mark I got had only 35 damage, and recoil bounces all over the place. I think I got a Friday model.
Lmao 🤣
Consider the cards that you need, the mutations, the level of the gun, and the attachments.
Mine with all the right mutations and perks is only 58
Thanks I always learn something new from your videos Regards
The range is what's bothering me. I was thinking of changing my handmade with it but if I want to use it on events, I have to be quick from any range. So sad because I really like how steady and strong it is
The range numbers are low, but even with low vats percentages it seems to hit quite a lot.
I found out that now it is possible to VATS using the 10mm submachine g*n.
It's no longer a useless weapon
wasn't it always possible?
@@AngryTurtle before the ap cost was too high.
Almost impossible to enjoy playing VATS using 10mm submachine g**
How do you get the ap cost so low?? Is it random on weapons??
Hey turtle! 🐢 You mention that "some" of the new event weapons come with the cursed effect, does that mean, for example that you can get an Elder's Mark without the cursed effect? Or do you mean some of the new weapons never drop with the cursed effect? Thanks for the clarification!
He means that the weapons can drop with it, but it's random. There are not weapons that always drop with it
Pretty sure the elders mark always drops with the cursed effects, but not all the new weapons have a cursed effect.
there's a bunch new effects they all have extra effects making them better than regular counterparts, when it say nothing under legendary effects it will be cursed
I have a question is there a difference between the elder Mark the love tap and some machine gun or is there no difference
yes Elder Mark has superior dmg and fire rate
We need to get some sick Thompson skins now.
Thanks Turtle. My commando needs this weapon 😁
yep it's super fun :)
Wow...looks like a great hip fire weapon for dungeons where everything is close.
I'd go with thompson, as it's way more aesthetically pleasing to eyes. Fixer is efficient, but so ugly being an unholy mutant of clone of PPSH and BAR combined.
I find the cold shoulder with 1500 shotgun bullets works against anything
How to get armor pierce receiver? I have prime only
scrap tommy guns
I've rolled aristocrat explosive 15fr and with fire rate at 100 explosive bullets it slaps.
I purchase these on vendors no matter their price and I have 30 now . Best small arm in the game arguably most versatile period . More and more rare these become as the event never drops frequently. Plus it’s not a guaranteed drop . This is by far more fun and effective vs. a fixer with same rolls.
Also the rolls to consider are anything with less APC . Outside of that go FFR or Explosive.
IMO after that it’s all a bonus I use a suppressors 25 FFR/25 APC and an executioners explosive/25 apc. the important part is 25 less APC as the cursed effect puts this one over the top.
What is your platform? I visit every player's vendor but I can't get a Elder's Mark (PS4) It's impossible idk why and I got the weapon from a Event at first but I Traded it for a Bloody Handmade (I didn't have a good main weapon before)
Just rolled a Quad-Explosive-90% weight Elders Mark first roll and just sold my old Anti armor 50% crit elders mark that was over pen with 110% anti armor with the mag
Ok ill just come out and say Im dumb. How are you getting this weapon with different main prefixes ? I just looked it up on fallout wiki and it says it is only available from a drop and only faster fire rate / faster reload
You can re roll it in a workbench like any other weapon
@rezno6099 hey thanks for that.
After the last patch, which build do you think is better: Bloodied, Aristocrat's or Overeater's?
Bloodied all day😅
Got a super vampire roll but want bloodied so
WTT Elders Mark vamp - 25ffr - 25ap cost need Elders Mark Bloodied-25ffr - 25 ap cost
That quad cap with ap cost is slick as ice...turtle man I'm up to my neck in trying to roll gear and you drop this in my face lol.
it's just custom server unfortunately 😞
I just bought it for 500 caps and rerolled it to get a quad prefix❤🎉🎉
I have a couple questions. I see you use company tea and corn soup. But I noticed that corn soup overrides company tea in AP regen. Do they stack? Same thing with overdrive and psychotats do they still stack? Seems like one disappears. Ty and much love from California 😁
don't use corn soup I was using that back in days when tea was expensive to craft
@@AngryTurtle ty so much! Same thing with overdrive and phychotats they don’t stack either?
First reroll got AA2525 I’m using prime receiver tho should I swap?
yes
Is the AP cost on a weapon static or is it random per weapon?
If I remember correctly, it's different for every kind of weapon, and also depends on the mods of any given weapon. Fx, a reflex sight will lower the AP cost of any weapon (if it can be equipped that is).
thank you for the info, time to save legendary scrips
Finally some weapon variety … they need to add an smg to the pistol class imo
Gotta love this gun but how about full health build? 😬
Full health builds are about being tanks
Not damage
Thats the trade off
Bloody users need to be dps or they dont survive
Full health are the tanks who need to be center of attention
Thats why they dont get dps
Otherwise bloody builds would be useless if full health would be on par or outclass bloody
need to get this with anti armor
Talking about the 10mm smg
GOT my first Fixer at level 25 from a player vendor for 30 caps.
Hey Mr. 🐢 does bash damage scale or is it fixed depending on weapon or strength? How do you bash damage? Great videos keep it up.
generally it scales with some bonuses check my shredder guide for details and keep in mind current patch broke bash damage so we need to wait for fix
I foresee Femos testing this.
Great vid 👍🏽
So if the prefix is the least important perk, would a vampire's be viable? The healing would be low, but the high fire rate and lower down time might keep you alive.
vampire will definitely work very well
I may have to reinstall the game to get this. But then I remember how many hours I spent grinding and re-rolling chainsaws to get a good roll without ever getting what I really wanted, and now they've nerfed the chainsaw. Kinda kills my fun.
I hate RNG but I'm very persistent and always eventually get what I want ;)
there is a big issue with faster fire rate atm tho i play a bloodied faster fire rare less vats elders mark and public servers tend to drop most of the dps, on private server i shred everything but lag on public just renders all that dps kinda useless...
В то время как фиксер будет спокойно бить на 100% матку или других врагов вдали томми будет хорошо если 50% попадать и это вердикт для последнего