I had a similar problem coupled with high amounts of Iron, Manganese and Hydrogen sulfide. I corrected it by filling an 275 gallon IBC Tote with the well and aerating it with a Danner Pondmaster AP-20 Air Pump and a Del Ozone generator. This kills bacteria better than CL2 and converts or oxidizes everything to a filterable state. The water is sent through a 20, 5 and 1 micron cleanable polyester set of filters. The water is pump out of the tank and into the house using a 12 volt SeaFlo series 55 pump. It produces a constant 60 PSI at 5.5 GPM. I just open the valve at the bottom of the tank every so often and drain the settled stuff. All of this runs off of solar.
honestly your setup is what a good company needs, a well to really test their product and perfect it... i saw you said something about "an auto purge valve" if it works i think that's what's needed, daily auto purge
I think the filter should be purged daily so that there isn't too much sediment buildup. You can achieve this with a simple electric valve and a timer. We do the same here except we use a timer and valve to purge water out of our air system.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. It should automatically purge. Daily, twice a day or maybe even more often, I don't know. It's a pretty small filter and bad water, but that should not matter if it's purged often enough, I think. So the big question is: DOES this system actually work when you do this by hand? Would have been nice to see that in the video. Maybe in the next?
I think this is the pre filter we have. Rusco. It works fairly well except we still get low water pressure at random times. I made one modification that helps. I stopped watering the trees using the house spigots and thatched the garden hose to the clean out spigot of the Rusco. That way the huge amount of water used for the irrigation is not clogging the filter. And eveytime I water the trees I’m flushing the pre filter.
The self cleaning is pretty cool. I'd be tempted to plumb the drain from the spin down to a motorised valve (like in central heating) - relay - timer and have it perform an automated flush every day. To prolong the life of the filter maybe consider a secondary 40-50 micron spin down with the same setup but flushing a little after the first one. You could pipe the drain outside or into a drain to avoid the mess. I think they sell automatic flush spin downs as well but that might limit the other features. That should reduce the amount of maintenance needed and reduce how often you need to change filters :)
if u add more teflon tape to the threads then u can tighten the filter in a straight up and down position. i have at least as much fine silt as u so thanks for the honest review
I was hoping that this was going to be a good solution for me. Since having well work done back in May of this year, I have more silt and debris that I ever have in our 50 year old well. However, after seeing your review, I think I'll be looking for a different solution that doesn't involve having to remove and use a toothbrush to clean. It looks like iSpring has a couple of units that are self-flushing and programmable - it may be worth contacting them to see about a unit for review. I think that is the way that I am going to go, and just program it to do a 30 to 60 second flush each day to keep things cleaned out.
Seth, what if you build something like you made to trap silt for your water turbine. It will have a chance to settle out the heavy stuff. You could have a big drain to remove the sand.
It was a nice try and seemed to have promise with the rotor to agitate the debris to get them to precipitate down off the filter. What you really need for a pre-filter is one that has a BACKWASH, reversing the flow through the filter material to clear it. Perhaps look into swimming pool sand filters.
IMO the spinning has the potential to really self-clean the filter. It also adds a wear process like a turbo on a car, that an o-ring may not be able to accommodate. I like the 2-inch RUSCO spin-down. The replacement filters are affordable. I keep an extra to swap out and clean the clogged one under water pressure. It is then ready to swap. because of opening the filter, food food-safe o-ring lube used sparingly may extend its life. New o-rings are cheap and available.
Good nice prodect you should use union to conect this filiter to make sure it stand verticalley to spin it smoothly and all sand fill down diretlly then if you want can use (timer valve) to flash the system automatically by open and close drain, lets say daily in your case and i hope every thing will be good
How about a full size backwashing sediment filter? They are pricey but might be a good option. I will be looking into those. I beleve Pentair, Fleck are some to look at.
Hey Seth, not about filters but I'm currently in the Indian Himalayas working on a couple projects, some of which involve ram pumps, and I have some questions for your expertise.. Emailed you but not sure it's your current address.
This would not work for a spring water collected in my ranch, right? As the water from it is clear, but has some sediment I would like to use a filter like this do remove those sediments before the water goes to the initial tanks (before being pumped up to the house tank)
Has the manufacturer responded about the screen bulge impingement? Was the bulge a result of improper installation or improper use or defect? Curious to know if you received a defect whether or not a new filter screen made any difference at all.
I dont understand why spinning when using water? As it sound in video it hardly will make 20m3 before worn out, and not being effective when back flush and cleaning. I guess there was something wrong and should not spin during normal use, only during back-flush. Am I right or wrong?
Generally these spin down filters come with a bunch of different sizes. You are using 40 micron but your water is pretty bad. Probably need a 300 micron and 100 micron up stream to catch the larger stuff minimizing the silt collecting on the 40 micron.
man if i had the same problem here is what i would do. i would get a 500 or 1000gallon water tank and pump the water from the well to the tank. on the tank i would have a floating filter installed so your pulling all your water from about 8 inches bellow the surface. and from the tank to the pressure tank and so on. so at least alot of the sediment would have a chance to settle to the bottom and pulling the water from just bellow the surface is going to do alot to help stop all that bs
Ya it needs to be automatic so you don't have to do it everyday to keep it going and if you have that much stuff that you need that it definitely needs to be cleaned at least daily
This was a sponsored item. My contact in the company was responsive and gave feedback. Seems to me the spin down works but not in a situation with so much silt.
The product seems pretty high maintenance and the reviews aren't overwhelmingly positive. I noticed that you included a link to the product... does this mean that you recommend it? I definitely would never buy it, just curious.
just thinking out loud. WHAT IF--you used a 4.5 diameter 20-inch long big blue with a 50-micron pleated filter for a massive surface area to get long life. The downside is the cost to replace the expendables. They are said to be cleanable also.
@LandtoHouse Thanks, we're about to pull the trigger. Our house is on a well without any filters... I was thinking 1 or 2 spin downs, then a paper style to get it down to 1 or 5 microns... our water hardness is very low, but we have this reddish sediment. We have a lot of clay in our area. Thanks again
@@kevinmills5293you’re correct. He needs to do that in conjunction with a large 330 gallon IBC tote that is constantly pumping both air and ozone into the water to make it filterable. Someone above commented this and he’s completely right. Plus your idea of a strong magnet.
Looks like they need to put a bit more R&D into this, the cleaner looks like it doesnt really contact the mesh very well. Looks a bit cheaply made too at first glance. Good concept though.
And the seam on the screen is where it's folded together and connected there's always going to be a seem there's no way to make a complete circle screen without a seam and actually that seem is always going to make a bulge which would make it not perfectly Circle and pretty much make this whole Spinning Wheel thing rub it and wear it out
I wonder how it would be if you flush it ridiculously often. I think it would be brilliant if this one little filtercontraption could filter out all crap, even if it 'throws away' 120 gallons of wellwater per day by flushing automatically every hour.
Just an idea: You could make a fountain-clock with this. At 1 o'clock it flushes 2 seconds, shooting water (and crap) into a pond (or straight into a drain, if you aim it well enough). At 2 o'clock it flushes 2 secs, wait 2secs, flush 2secs. At 3 o'clock 3 times. Etc...
Those filter systems are gimmicks get you to buy it if the spinning wheel was actually able to to touch the screen it would just Jam the debris into the screen it would never wipe it clean
What a useless gadget??? It's supposed to filter silt but when it does so it stops working what irony is that? You spent most of the time fixing it!!! I give it 1 star out of 5
The concept is fun. But in my use case it seemed to clog quickly. Perhaps smaller tolerances on the cleaning mechanism to prevent debris from getting to the rotating part.
I have to say I am a little disappointed in this video, Seth - probably as disappointed as you are in this product. While the content was very educational and enjoyable, I feel like I could have moved on to a product that will solve my problem sooner without watching the full video. (Pinning a comment at the top of the comments that says this product isn't yet ready for primetime might help folks like me.) I have the same issues as you with my well and need a way to remove the silt and maintain my house water pressure. A solution like this one which needs attention regularly (looks like every 5 days) will not work. The degree of attention needed (pulling the whole thing apart) is not acceptable either. I'm also interested in what the Rusco could not do for you. Honestly was looking at Rusco, saw that you had a pair of their product and were reviewing this new item drew me in. What configuration did you land on? Thanks for putting this together - glad I found your channel. -John.
After a few years of trying filters I have found the best is the Rusco spin down with 2" cylinder. I think it's 8" tall. Poly mesh at 100um. I get around 30 days of normal use before I flush it.
@@LandtoHouseThanks so much Seth! I’ve watched several additional videos of yours and have come to that conclusion as well - planning a purchase and adjusted plumbing project in the next week. Thanks for the reply and your care for your audience. -John.
I had a similar problem coupled with high amounts of Iron, Manganese and Hydrogen sulfide. I corrected it by filling an 275 gallon IBC Tote with the well and aerating it with a Danner Pondmaster AP-20 Air Pump and a Del Ozone generator. This kills bacteria better than CL2 and converts or oxidizes everything to a filterable state. The water is sent through a 20, 5 and 1 micron cleanable polyester set of filters. The water is pump out of the tank and into the house using a 12 volt SeaFlo series 55 pump. It produces a constant 60 PSI at 5.5 GPM. I just open the valve at the bottom of the tank every so often and drain the settled stuff. All of this runs off of solar.
Have you made any videos with your awesome setup? Thank you! 🙏
A spindown filter costs two or three hundred if you get one that automatically flushes.
I have a Vu-Flow Sediment Screen Filter T Style 3/4" Spin-down filter with 15 micron screen. cost $69.39
Did the iron show up as a brown clay like substance?
Nice and Honest assessment that it just doesn't work that well, that it's more work than your other 'spin down' pre-filter.
You talking about the Rusco?
Seems this spin down sediment filter works well and easy to clean the system by using the flush valve at the bottom, maybe perfect for tap water
honestly your setup is what a good company needs, a well to really test their product and perfect it... i saw you said something about "an auto purge valve" if it works i think that's what's needed, daily auto purge
I think the filter should be purged daily so that there isn't too much sediment buildup. You can achieve this with a simple electric valve and a timer. We do the same here except we use a timer and valve to purge water out of our air system.
Another company sent an auto purge valve. I need to install that and see how well it works.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
It should automatically purge.
Daily, twice a day or maybe even more often, I don't know. It's a pretty small filter and bad water, but that should not matter if it's purged often enough, I think.
So the big question is:
DOES this system actually work when you do this by hand?
Would have been nice to see that in the video. Maybe in the next?
Water softener in front of the filter would stop most of it, and water softeners purge often
Try the Rusco Sediment Trapper Filter works well..😊
I think this is the pre filter we have. Rusco. It works fairly well except we still get low water pressure at random times. I made one modification that helps. I stopped watering the trees using the house spigots and thatched the garden hose to the clean out spigot of the Rusco. That way the huge amount of water used for the irrigation is not clogging the filter. And eveytime I water the trees I’m flushing the pre filter.
The self cleaning is pretty cool. I'd be tempted to plumb the drain from the spin down to a motorised valve (like in central heating) - relay - timer and have it perform an automated flush every day. To prolong the life of the filter maybe consider a secondary 40-50 micron spin down with the same setup but flushing a little after the first one. You could pipe the drain outside or into a drain to avoid the mess. I think they sell automatic flush spin downs as well but that might limit the other features. That should reduce the amount of maintenance needed and reduce how often you need to change filters :)
if u add more teflon tape to the threads then u can tighten the filter in a straight up and down position. i have at least as much fine silt as u so thanks for the honest review
I was hoping that this was going to be a good solution for me. Since having well work done back in May of this year, I have more silt and debris that I ever have in our 50 year old well. However, after seeing your review, I think I'll be looking for a different solution that doesn't involve having to remove and use a toothbrush to clean.
It looks like iSpring has a couple of units that are self-flushing and programmable - it may be worth contacting them to see about a unit for review. I think that is the way that I am going to go, and just program it to do a 30 to 60 second flush each day to keep things cleaned out.
Seth, what if you build something like you made to trap silt for your water turbine. It will have a chance to settle out the heavy stuff. You could have a big drain to remove the sand.
Nice product👍🏻 try pvdf filter if possible
U said several days ago. may i ask how many days exact.thank you sir
It was a nice try and seemed to have promise with the rotor to agitate the debris to get them to precipitate down off the filter. What you really need for a pre-filter is one that has a BACKWASH, reversing the flow through the filter material to clear it. Perhaps look into swimming pool sand filters.
Thanks, just ordered one!!
IMO the spinning has the potential to really self-clean the filter. It also adds a wear process like a turbo on a car, that an o-ring may not be able to accommodate. I like the 2-inch RUSCO spin-down. The replacement filters are affordable. I keep an extra to swap out and clean the clogged one under water pressure. It is then ready to swap. because of opening the filter, food food-safe o-ring lube used sparingly may extend its life. New o-rings are cheap and available.
I think you need a Rusco Sediment Trapper upstream of this.
Excellent review, please review ALTHY Pre-Auto2 prefilter.
Good nice prodect you should use union to conect this filiter to make sure it stand verticalley to spin it smoothly and all sand fill down diretlly then if you want can use (timer valve) to flash the system automatically by open and close drain, lets say daily in your case and i hope every thing will be good
How about a full size backwashing sediment filter? They are pricey but might be a good option. I will be looking into those. I beleve Pentair, Fleck are some to look at.
Hey Seth, not about filters but I'm currently in the Indian Himalayas working on a couple projects, some of which involve ram pumps, and I have some questions for your expertise..
Emailed you but not sure it's your current address.
Sounds like a nice project! Let me check email today. This past 2 weeks I have gotten more email than I can open.
Ok nice one.
@@OpenSourceLowTech would you mind sending the email again? I did not find it. Landtohouse at gmail
This would not work for a spring water collected in my ranch, right? As the water from it is clear, but has some sediment I would like to use a filter like this do remove those sediments before the water goes to the initial tanks (before being pumped up to the house tank)
A Lakos filter does a true backwash apparently compared to all other spin down filters.
Has the manufacturer responded about the screen bulge impingement? Was the bulge a result of improper installation or improper use or defect? Curious to know if you received a defect whether or not a new filter screen made any difference at all.
I dont understand why spinning when using water? As it sound in video it hardly will make 20m3 before worn out, and not being effective when back flush and cleaning. I guess there was something wrong and should not spin during normal use, only during back-flush. Am I right or wrong?
Would it do anything for iron? I’m thinking no.
Generally these spin down filters come with a bunch of different sizes. You are using 40 micron but your water is pretty bad. Probably need a 300 micron and 100 micron up stream to catch the larger stuff minimizing the silt collecting on the 40 micron.
Bummer, didn’t work out, maybe another company will reach out with a better product suited to your problem
Where’s it made?
Had the problem you did probably need a 300 micron. Do they make one?
man if i had the same problem here is what i would do. i would get a 500 or 1000gallon water tank and pump the water from the well to the tank. on the tank i would have a floating filter installed so your pulling all your water from about 8 inches bellow the surface. and from the tank to the pressure tank and so on. so at least alot of the sediment would have a chance to settle to the bottom and pulling the water from just bellow the surface is going to do alot to help stop all that bs
Ya it needs to be automatic so you don't have to do it everyday to keep it going and if you have that much stuff that you need that it definitely needs to be cleaned at least daily
Did you call customer service with your problem? Did they give you any solutions? Was this a sponsored product?
This was a sponsored item. My contact in the company was responsive and gave feedback. Seems to me the spin down works but not in a situation with so much silt.
@@LandtoHouse right on little luck with the next product:-)
The product seems pretty high maintenance and the reviews aren't overwhelmingly positive. I noticed that you included a link to the product... does this mean that you recommend it? I definitely would never buy it, just curious.
I recommend that you use a product called rusco spin down. I have the 2 inch version and it has worked remarkably well for several years.
just thinking out loud. WHAT IF--you used a 4.5 diameter 20-inch long big blue with a 50-micron pleated filter for a massive surface area to get long life. The downside is the cost to replace the expendables. They are said to be cleanable also.
Are you going back to the ruso?
Yes I went back to Rusco. It has a much larger surface area and can hold silt for over a month without a flush or change.
@LandtoHouse
Thanks, we're about to pull the trigger. Our house is on a well without any filters... I was thinking 1 or 2 spin downs, then a paper style to get it down to 1 or 5 microns... our water hardness is very low, but we have this reddish sediment. We have a lot of clay in our area. Thanks again
And Rusco is American made.@@LandtoHouse
I have rust issues and none of these filters work at all.
If you have rust issues, perhaps you could try a magnetic filter similar to those used in central heating systems?
@@kevinmills5293you’re correct. He needs to do that in conjunction with a large 330 gallon IBC tote that is constantly pumping both air and ozone into the water to make it filterable.
Someone above commented this and he’s completely right. Plus your idea of a strong magnet.
Looks like they need to put a bit more R&D into this, the cleaner looks like it doesnt really contact the mesh very well. Looks a bit cheaply made too at first glance. Good concept though.
Personally i would go to a 10 inch big boy filter
And the seam on the screen is where it's folded together and connected there's always going to be a seem there's no way to make a complete circle screen without a seam and actually that seem is always going to make a bulge which would make it not perfectly Circle and pretty much make this whole Spinning Wheel thing rub it and wear it out
This comment is from 14;seconds in. Been watching before your built the house. Lol. I was all. Why are you under the house ? Oh green screen.
Haha my green screen attempts would not turn out this good.
You can set your new pump up out of the sand once the old one gets destroyed from the grit, shouldn’t take that long,😢
Doesn’t seem like it’s a good for your use case I wonder how it would be on not such a silted well
I have wondered the same. My well water is ridiculous with silt.
I wonder how it would be if you flush it ridiculously often.
I think it would be brilliant if this one little filtercontraption could filter out all crap, even if it 'throws away' 120 gallons of wellwater per day by flushing automatically every hour.
Just an idea:
You could make a fountain-clock with this.
At 1 o'clock it flushes 2 seconds, shooting water (and crap) into a pond (or straight into a drain, if you aim it well enough).
At 2 o'clock it flushes 2 secs, wait 2secs, flush 2secs.
At 3 o'clock 3 times.
Etc...
I can’t see your well pump lasting too long with all that sand and grit in the water.
Those filter systems are gimmicks get you to buy it if the spinning wheel was actually able to to touch the screen it would just Jam the debris into the screen it would never wipe it clean
I think you’re right and the idea is to create turbulence to dislodge the debris.
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What a useless gadget??? It's supposed to filter silt but when it does so it stops working what irony is that? You spent most of the time fixing it!!! I give it 1 star out of 5
The concept is fun. But in my use case it seemed to clog quickly. Perhaps smaller tolerances on the cleaning mechanism to prevent debris from getting to the rotating part.
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I have to say I am a little disappointed in this video, Seth - probably as disappointed as you are in this product. While the content was very educational and enjoyable, I feel like I could have moved on to a product that will solve my problem sooner without watching the full video. (Pinning a comment at the top of the comments that says this product isn't yet ready for primetime might help folks like me.) I have the same issues as you with my well and need a way to remove the silt and maintain my house water pressure. A solution like this one which needs attention regularly (looks like every 5 days) will not work. The degree of attention needed (pulling the whole thing apart) is not acceptable either. I'm also interested in what the Rusco could not do for you. Honestly was looking at Rusco, saw that you had a pair of their product and were reviewing this new item drew me in. What configuration did you land on? Thanks for putting this together - glad I found your channel. -John.
After a few years of trying filters I have found the best is the Rusco spin down with 2" cylinder. I think it's 8" tall. Poly mesh at 100um. I get around 30 days of normal use before I flush it.
@@LandtoHouseThanks so much Seth! I’ve watched several additional videos of yours and have come to that conclusion as well - planning a purchase and adjusted plumbing project in the next week. Thanks for the reply and your care for your audience. -John.
@@LandtoHouse I've gone with the 2" 0-100 gpm and huge sediment capacity. Thanks! -John.
Just doesn't seem to be worth all the headaches. That 2inch filter seem to work well.
Agreed. The rusco spin down has worked well for years.
I think your local water filtration company needs to upgrade their water filters so your water filters don’t have this much build up😂
Haha the local filter company probably Needs to have the well pump lifted to prevent that silt.
@@LandtoHouse I would talk to them about that. Very worrying that you had to clean the filter multiple times in such a short time.
Your water is ridiculous! You need a Multico Water Cyclone made for pools
Bull crap mate, really sorry to say it's rubish
Might have application in another setup. But I can say this filter needs tighter tolerance on the spinning part.