Except that's actually not really true in all cases since there are numerous individual conflicts and larger wars throughout the prime timeline of star trek in which a lack of brawn would have led to the Federation ceasing to exist - yes Star Fleet prefers diplomacy and tries to seek peace whenever possible but they are willing and capable of kicking ass when needed for the defense of the Fed. Discovery takes flak for being too violent yet it's set in the a fucking war with a brutal warrior power that knows nothing but death and destruction - are they supposed to defeat the Klingon's with words and good intentions? They tried that, remember the Klingon dude bitching about how basically "we come in peace" is a declaration of cultural war that destroys and enslaves people better than weapons? Yes the opening into the war was a bit unusual for Trek but then it was focused entirely on one character's views based on traumatic experiences involving the Klingon's in the past for that violent aspect while the rest of Star Fleet still held true to their peaceful mandate until the Kilingon's attacked them. As for the Vulcan's and Klingon's - it's explained in the show that the Vulcan's are ashamed of their tactics towards the Klingon's and try to hide it because it's not very "enlightened" but when dealing with a warrior people that know only violence then violence is the only logical way to earn their respect and their fear to reduce conflict and danger. Some of you guys are way too fanboy-ish even for trekkies - some of us prefer to try different things, even if they don't work in the end.
Cody Smith - Since when does being literate and trying to be as detailed as possible in my response to avoid confusion about what I'm saying make me "fanboyish"? I could have made it shorter but then I'd have to respond 5 more times to clarify things that people misunderstood, it's easier to write it out properly the first time. I suppose I am a fanboy of using proper language and communication techniques so you aren't entirely wrong, you're just not entirely correct either. I could add 5 more paragraphs here just to troll you but I'm too tired for that right now. :)
If you consider that an essay you have no understanding of what an essay is, I'm sorry I'm smarter than the average RUclipsr and lots of words hurts your brain...
For the 24th century Federation war is just a very very VERY very last resort. That's how things should be in real life. Instead we have that US kid and that north korean kid throwing insults at each other... Kirk was a little more impulsive, but still diplomatic if it seemed feasible. Discovery... well, it's an entertaining show, but it's not the Federation I know.
Oh yeah, none of that "glorious death or victory in battle" stuff for TNG Klingons, they go for "Titus, oh Titus, wherefore art thou?" Even Worf does fucking tai chi.
Too bad the audience (aka Q) didn't concur. Q meant "John Q. Public," who was giving Picard&Crew a trial-run in order to see if they could stack up to TOS; and the verdict was, they failed... miserably.
That must explain why the TNG ran for twice as many seasons and got ratings 4 times greater than TOS did. Look I love TOS but I didn't let that cloud my judgement of TNG like you obviously did. No it wasn't the exact same show in every detail... get over it already.
TNG was ERASED FROM TREK HISTORY, as of 2009. By the cast of TOS. As for ratings, "Baywatch" is the highest-rated show of all time. Are you saying it's the best? "I didn't let that cloud my judgement of TNG like you obviously did" SHUT UP WESLEY!
This scene is a mini lesson in master level acting. Notice how Picard walks to the plaque of the Enterprise, wipes it for dust, turns, walks back. His movements, where his eyes go. It's all done so masterfully.
I love the different reactions of the crew while Picard keeps the Shelliac on hold. Worf: "They are still on hold. Answer the damn call already!" Troi: "What on earth is he up to? He wants a resolution, but he's not going to talk to them?" Riker: "Man, I love it when the Cap gets his hackles up!"
Picard is one of my favourite characters in any movie or series. Impossibly determined and strong willed. In "Chain of Command" when he was being tortured and interrogated by the Cardassians he turned the conversation around and had his interrogator begging him to stop.
And yet, he was still broken. As he himself said "All I had to do was to say that I could see five lights, when in fact, there were only four. [...] I was going to. I would have told him anything. Anything at all. But more than that, I believed that I could see five lights.”
An easy thing to miss is that in the beginning of the video they were reading the treaty, which probably did *not* have information about the Grezellas in it. Meaning Picard just pulled that out of the air because he knows that much about the various races of the Alpha Quadrant.
Alpha and Beta quadrants. Remember, the Federation straddles the border of the Alpha and Beta quadrants. Unevenly towards the Alpha quadrant, of course, but that's only because the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire, the Federation's largest neighbors in the Beta quadrant, basically "hem in" the federation preventing expansion in that direction.
I think Riker realized a bit quicker than Troi what Picard was doing. Ironic considering she is an empath, but if once you consider how good a poker player Riker is and that he is the first officer, it makes a bit more sense that he would catch on quicker to Picard's ploy.
The smirk of riker after "on screen" knowing exactly what picard does. Both of them are extremely talented at debating. Those as your opponent and its good night for you 🤣
Picard making the Shelliak wait "on hold" was more than just him enjoying the situation, it was a good negotiating tactic. He was telling the Shelliak that now they were talking on his terms and he was the one who was deciding when and how things would proceed. I'm gonna make you wait because I can and I know you will sit there like good little boys waiting for me to speak. Why? Because I'm the boss now, bitches!
@@lindseylewis8651 I'm a conservative, and neither of those things are true about me. Matter of fact, I don't know any conservatives like that. I am concerned that ones like that are out there, however. Agreed, however, that we need politicians who are more like Picard. EDIT: Wait, what do you mean by conservative? I'm fairly certain the terms are reversed in the UK, so it could be that we agree anyway. :p
I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned the Personal Data Assistant (PDA) that Picard uses when quoting the treaty section to the Sheliak. Remember that this was filmed back in the early 90's. Amazing that the producers envisioned that technology, although it seems commonplace to us now.
I've come to the unfortunate realization that diplomacy isn't all about being a decent person and getting along: its about exploiting every advantage you have to force the other guy to be a decent person and get along with you, on any threats necessary.
@@skinnie2838 Dude: your on some reality estranged delusion if you think the charicter Piccard wasn't "woke" on social issues... And its worse for you to think that being down for and aware of progressive and social advocacy issues is somehow a "bad thing". You missed the point of the series and the charicter of Piccard
@@brano13177 Imagine being you and telling someone they "missed the point". Being "woke" has ZERO to do with social issues. Woke = identity politics run amuck. It pushes RACE, GENDER, and SEXUAL ORIENTATION to the front while everything else is shoved to the back. Straight white men sit at the bottom of the victim totem pole so they are constantly attacked. Everyone else on top ot the pole is in a constant struggle to see who can be the biggest victim. Its eroded and destroyes everything it touches under the guise of "diversity and inclusion". TNG was NEVER that. Never. The reason Picard is woke is because the writers took a dump all over him because you cant write men being above or somehow smarter than women anymore. So Jean Luc will finish his career with a big ol steaming Amber Heard dump all over his chest. Thanks leftist wokies. You ruined yet another thing that used to be good.
@@skinnie2838 And imagine being you and not only missing the point; but intentionally missing the point to someone who grew up with the series and grew up seeing the social issues that people like you deny and throw petulent fits over when brought attention Thing is: that isn't what "woke: means; woke means: "being aware of social issues". But you and your reactionary ilk clearly view awareness of those issues; as a bad thing while yourselves also gleefully engaging in identity politics; namely the opposition and suppression of demographics who aren't not male, not white, not straight or cis for the sake of Straight, cis, white, male supremacy; and I'm saying that AS a straight/cis, white man who's female, POC and LGBT friends are often harrassed, victimized and bullied by the likes of people like you. You have the audacity to claim that media and existence of anyone who isn't a straight, cis, white man is "RACE, GENDER, and SEXUAL ORIENTATION to the front while everything else is shoved to the back" while your the one engging in identity politics that pushes Race, Gender, and Sexual orientation of straight, cis, white men to the front despite the fact we straight, cis, white men have had a large, long and homogenized supremacy in media since as long as Hollywood and cinema had been a thing. And you deem any deviation from that straight, cis, white male homogenized supremacy to be "identity politics run amuck". Because to people like you; there are two races: white and "political", their are two Genders: male and "political" and their are two sexual orientations: straight and "political". And thus; to you: anythign that isn't a straight, cis, white male: is ergo "political". Your rhetoric reveals this to be the case; that you think anyone and anything that isn't a straight, cis, white man that exists in media or at all: is "political". That women exiting in media or real life: is "political", that Black/Arabic/Mexican/Native/Asian peoples existing in media or real life is "political". That Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender/Asexual/Non-binary people existing in media or at all: is "political". And yet such a position and notion; is in fact a politically motivated rubric who want to pretend that straight, cis, white men are someone "not political" despite pushing a reactionary and supremist politics trying to assert such a notion. Straight cis, white men are not the victims; the systems and nations that you live in; benefit and privilege you and I more than a women, a black man a gay person or a trans person given that their aren't laws that are being pushed to strip men, straight or cis men of their rights or systemically criminalizing white people. Meanwhile; women are stripped of their bodily rights, gay and trans people are criminalized for existing while gay and trans and black people and other racial minority groups face persecution and disenfranchisement from systemic policies unaddressed from the eras of Jim Crow, Red lining, Gentrification and other systematically racist policies. And it's a laughable delusion that you would try to assertion otherwise. Matter of fact, despite being the least victimized and least persecuted demographic of people: your the only person trying to engage in a race of playing the victim; when in reality your a supremist who's upset that the playing field is being leveled. Because to you; diversity and inclusion; are enemies and threats for your supremist homogamy and bigoted exclusion to oppose and destroy; because you feel anxious about not having power to secure your privilege and the privilege that grants you power to wield as a cudgel against others. Bigots railed against women and black people being legally acknowledged and treated as equals in society, as they have also done to gay and trans people; all under the fevered assertion of eroding and destroying everything it touches; only to be repeatedly proven wrong. And the only ones who have eroded and destroyed everything they touch; are the bigoted reactionaries like you who would rather destroy their own nations, societies and systems of governance in order to stick it to marginalized minority groups who have less social, economic and political capital than you out of risk that said minorities might get some acknowledgement and seat at the table and have their stories told. TNG; has always been about addressing stuff like this and not only that; it explicitly warned it's audience about people like you; you yourself are exactly the kind of person and and the ideology that people like you hold: are EXACTLY what TNG warned against and cautioned to be vigilant of. Except they didn't, and more over: men are not inherently smarter than women but given your rhetoric it seems that your upset that men are no longer being treated as the supremist icons that they used to in media past. The reality is; time marches on, as does social paradigms and understandings. Their are still plenty of media where men are capable of being smart or positions of power; but your upset that women can also be smart and have positions of power as well. My masculinity is not so fragile and nor my ego so chauvinist and insecure that I need to feel personally affronted, attacked and victimized just because a male character isn't in a position of being an hyper-intelligent and all powerful and dominant ubermench, especially over women; given that I'm not intimidated by smart women having authority over me. Bruh; "left wing wokies": made TNG. Hell TNG wouldn't exist without "left wing wokies". Not to mention that the left wing people you rail against; actually seem to be making pretty good media that makes pretty solid buck. Right wing regressive reactionaries meanwhile; make grotesque, laughable, cringe worthy media projects that bomb hard. For someone who talks as if the existence of anything that isn't straight, cis, white men is "political"; your one of the most political agents here and far more political than any activist for women, POC and LGBT people. The only distinction; is that you have deluded yourself into thinking that your politics is somehow "not political" despite being motivated by a rather blatant political agenda; the politics of Reactionary Conservatism; an Identity Politics in service to bigotry and supremacy by a demographic of those with the most political, social an economic capital and not only the least persecuted; but the persecutors.
Diplomacy has more uses than just "stall for time until you can kill it". The Enterprise is at a significant advantage in that encounter. If they were just looking for a rock, the puppy would be dead by the time the video reached the 0:01 mark.
Never underestimate the power of bureaucracy. Rulers are powerless without bureaucrats to carry out their dictates. And the bureaucrats will twist whatever the ruler says into what they want in section 15, part 136, paragraph 42(D)(i)(a).
It's a great illustration of how much of a tactical and strategic mind Picard has though; if it had been Kirk or even Sisko or Janeway in that situation, shots would have been fired, but Picard likes to use his opponent's greatest strengths against them, in this case, the Sheliak's strict adherence to law and code. This is why Picard is my TV dad...
Section 15, part 136, paragraph 42(D)(i)(a)? "All members of the delegation are to be allocated only one parking space"? We're talking about evacuating an entire civilisation from an alien threat and you're worried about the Cardassians bringing two cars?
ambulance girl Just because the other side did it first doesn't mean it's not manipulation. The Sheliak were trying to manipulate the Federation using the fine print of the treaty, Picard simply out-manipulated them.
According to what I've heard, that bit was ad-libbed by Patrick Stewart, but it really adds that little "something extra" to the scene, making it all the more amusing. :)
"I'm just going to go over and stare at the damn plaque? I've got to do more than that." The trivially unnecessary checking for dust highlights the ridiculousness of the scene in such a tasteful way.
A perfect scene. Him checking for dirt reminded me of my basic training inspections and I'm sure Stewart in character inspections at Starfleet Academy.
hes not actually checking for dust. He's just checkmated the guy and has no rush to answer the call. If he was drinking tea he would take a couple of sips or check for a mark on the arm of his seat - signalling that he has full power to his crew and the enemy must rush to reach out to him. Hes enjoying victory - what specifically he did to waste time is immaterial.
@@parag7040 "DS9"? What the Hell?! "DS9" is not even Star Trek (where was the "Trek" part exactly?)... Sure, I enjoyed it for what it was, but c'mon... it can't even compete with "Enterprise", let alone "TNG".
@@KatorNia to be far it was star trek just not what we where use to it showed us sides of st we never fully seen befor space stations are a thing and people ofc would live on them and DS9 showed us what that would look like with some additional things to not make it to boring
@@texastrainfan56 - "Star Trek" literally means "a long arduous journey through the stars". Where is the trekking part in a stationary space station? - "Star Trek" is about going places, meeting new civilizations & pushing the boundaries of human knowledge & understanding. Not just understanding of others, but mostly understanding of *ourselves!* How does a series focused around Bajorans, Cardassians & the Dominion have anything to do with humans? Even the main protagonist, the human Sisko, is celebrated as a *Bajoran* Emissary, not as a *Human* Commander. Unlike any other Star Trek movie & series, in DS9 humanity is a "supporting actor" at best. Did I enjoy it? Definitely, I've even watched the whole thing twice. Do I consider it "Star Trek"? Not even by a long shot.
Picard is one captain I really wouldn't want to go against. XD Kirk: Will most likely shoot at you first, then ask questions. Janeway: Will ask questions first, then will smash you into bits. Picard: Will question you until you have no arguements left, use your own arguments agaisnt you to provoke you and while he talks to you, he will figure out a way to make your weapons useless and will end you before you even get a chance to say "Engage."
Apparently, Patrick Stewart threw in that little bit where he went over, studied the Enterprise plaque, checked it for dust, and meandered his way back to the center position. You can see Frakes was trying not to laugh at the improv.
Wow. What a powerful scene. "I quote section 2c paragraph h." Gee Picard. You are much man. I loved how he checked for dust on the placard. Real dramatic. So much better than "Hold on that! Let him sweat for a change." Corbomite Maneuver.
I've always thought highly of this tactic. When someone else's rules cause problems - and the rulers refuse to make exceptions - you make following their own rules and methods such a nightmare for them, they eventually cave in to your demands which are - in your eyes and theirs - much more reasonable in comparison.
Star Trek at its finest. I love how they are not afraid to slow down the pace, it doesn't always have to be constant action and spitting out lines like a machine gun to cram in more content.
"Shelliak" would have been fun to see some more of though... definitely worth an episode or two I think... They seemed like a "red tape" species and had superior technology... would be a fun interaction. Like "we" made them fight the borg for us.... or something...
I've often wondered about a Sheliak, Borg encounter. How it would go down. Maybe the Borg would realise assimilation of Sheliak would lead to overly legalistic procedures spreading through collective and thus avoid. Apart from skirmishes. Personally though I still wanna see Grizzelas. The Sheliak was unamused before Picard mentioned hibernation cycle so clearly they have a reputation. I like to think they are hyper intelligent space faring bear type race. Hence you don't get them angry. Like waking them from hibernation. Imagine them versus the Borg? They rip Borg apart with ease.
I was (still am) more of a Captain Kirk fan, but after seeing this scene, I was thinking, "Yeah... I like Picard, too." That's how you kick an alien's rear when you're a pacifist.
Kirk was a military-type sent on a diplomatic mission on a space ship with surprising lack of basic military safety procedures when it mattered and pushed into that funnel by the script. There's a lot of facepalm / lazy writing about TOS that becomes visible when the nostalgia goggles fall. It is amusing at times though (especially the redshits xD) and the show has a good portion of charme that makes up for those shortcomings. (Still - As a communications buff, watching TOS can be really painful. Like when Kirk says "He just doesn't understand" after not even frickin's trying to explain the situation.) TNG is definitely a lot more sophisticated in many aspects, although that sophistication can also manage to distract a lot better from that show's shortcomings.
monokhem - LOL, you're funny. Sophisticated writing, huh? Redshirt security officers routinely freezing in the face of danger, disregarding direct and clear instructions, basically being damsels in distress, Dracula's helpless victims. Just to name one example of a general theme of very lazy writing where everything is forced along a script to make a story work. I enjoy watching it for its strengths, but believability is really bad on so many levels. TOS was a relatively low budget experimental first endeavor into a franchise. I see it more like www.imdb.com/title/tt0061289.
How could anyone not love Picard. I like Kirk but I LOVE Picard....plus as a boy when I watched this with my dad, he looks like my dad so after my pops passed, everything I see Picard, I remember me and my dad watching TNG.
Dude, DSC has lost the plot so bad at this point can we even really call it Star Trek anymore? I mean, hell, for all it's flaws Enterprise was more Star Trek than DSC, and people hated ENT.
How can Picard read that text in tiny, condensed, all-caps, purple font on a black background from at least 1.5 meters away? Geordi should be asking him which eye doctor he sees.
There's one thing I find cool about Star Trek is that every Starship has a license plate on the bridge or license plaque I don't care what you call it it's pretty cool
SeaboardSystem ChessieCSX IT WAS NEAR THE BEGINNING OF THE MOVIE. A KLINGON BIRD OF PRAY BLEW THE SHIP UP AFTER THE GENIUS PLANS WERE TRANSFERED TO THE SHIPS COMPUTER. A KLINGON WOMAN SACRIFICED HER LIFE FOR IT.
This is what made him the best Captain of the Enterprise. Kirk was more of a Brawler. Rather giving it a punch on the face then going into a argument with it. Picard would be the Ultimate Admiral..or the Worst Dictator lmao. Loved that scene.
Oh yes, diplomacy is quite easy if you have the mind for it... and enough time to scour through the entire law of the nation you're up against... and their government doesn't change the law on the fly to fill in the loop holes... or flatly refuse because it's not "in the spirit of the law".
Well yeah, but that humans for you, we are shifty bastards who will weasel our way out of an agreement or bend it to the point of breaking if its not to our benefit if we can.
I'd like to believe that some of the alien civilizations are better than we are, and would have more concrete legal systems. Even if we can take advantage of it once, it's much better overall as a whole.
The thing is, it's hard to change a treaty between two nations without approval or notice. And if the Shelliac *had* changed the treaty without Federation approval, there most certainly would have been a war erupting right then. Plus the Shelliac had spent the whole episode saying there was no "spirit of the law," just the letter. They quoted parts of the treaty that benefited them, and Picard quoted and invoked a passage that benefited him.
Well, the Sheliac were known for being bureaucratic rule-followers. Indeed they mentioned in the show that even their language was overly complicated to the point of being incomprehensible to outsiders.
The entire time he was silent I can only imagine in his head he was just "1 Mississippi....2 Mississippi....someone needs to dust up here 3 Mississippi.."
I doubt anyone sent the message out since it was resolved by Picard. Also the 3rd party is probably used to getting messages like this, since other species either don't know about the hibernation or just work around it.
MrMikado282 You don't understand. I'm not talking about them learning about it by _receiving a message asking them to arbitrate._ I'm talking about what happened here going down in history that someone among the Grizzelas, at some point, _reads_ about.
It was too expensive to build an actual model. They didn't use CGI. So they just adapted models they already had. They had 2 or 3 weeks between the filming of episodes, the amount of work the special effects department had was crazy. 18 hours a day for weeks.
I applaud the Sheliaks patience on the hail. If Worf had sent that hail, he would have waited from anywhere from 0-2 seconds for a response before declaring them unresponsive.
This is what Star Trek is about, brains over brawn.
Except that's actually not really true in all cases since there are numerous individual conflicts and larger wars throughout the prime timeline of star trek in which a lack of brawn would have led to the Federation ceasing to exist - yes Star Fleet prefers diplomacy and tries to seek peace whenever possible but they are willing and capable of kicking ass when needed for the defense of the Fed.
Discovery takes flak for being too violent yet it's set in the a fucking war with a brutal warrior power that knows nothing but death and destruction - are they supposed to defeat the Klingon's with words and good intentions? They tried that, remember the Klingon dude bitching about how basically "we come in peace" is a declaration of cultural war that destroys and enslaves people better than weapons?
Yes the opening into the war was a bit unusual for Trek but then it was focused entirely on one character's views based on traumatic experiences involving the Klingon's in the past for that violent aspect while the rest of Star Fleet still held true to their peaceful mandate until the Kilingon's attacked them. As for the Vulcan's and Klingon's - it's explained in the show that the Vulcan's are ashamed of their tactics towards the Klingon's and try to hide it because it's not very "enlightened" but when dealing with a warrior people that know only violence then violence is the only logical way to earn their respect and their fear to reduce conflict and danger.
Some of you guys are way too fanboy-ish even for trekkies - some of us prefer to try different things, even if they don't work in the end.
Cody Smith - Since when does being literate and trying to be as detailed as possible in my response to avoid confusion about what I'm saying make me "fanboyish"? I could have made it shorter but then I'd have to respond 5 more times to clarify things that people misunderstood, it's easier to write it out properly the first time.
I suppose I am a fanboy of using proper language and communication techniques so you aren't entirely wrong, you're just not entirely correct either. I could add 5 more paragraphs here just to troll you but I'm too tired for that right now. :)
If you consider that an essay you have no understanding of what an essay is, I'm sorry I'm smarter than the average RUclipsr and lots of words hurts your brain...
Then why do you keep responding? Me responding forces you to respond even if you don't care? You have way too much time actually.
For the 24th century Federation war is just a very very VERY very last resort. That's how things should be in real life. Instead we have that US kid and that north korean kid throwing insults at each other...
Kirk was a little more impulsive, but still diplomatic if it seemed feasible. Discovery... well, it's an entertaining show, but it's not the Federation I know.
Even Worf would have to admit that was infinitely more satisfying than opening fire.
There are few things in life more satisfying than seeing someone hoisted by their own petard.
Oh yeah, if there's one thing Klingons love, it's legal tricks!
Like putting poisoned tribbles in the Quadrotricale to take over a planet.
Joe Swanson I think they like Shakespeare even more, legal tricks is a close second though.
Own Picard*
Oh yeah, none of that "glorious death or victory in battle" stuff for TNG Klingons, they go for "Titus, oh Titus, wherefore art thou?"
Even Worf does fucking tai chi.
"You enjoyed that."
"You're damned right!"
Too bad the audience (aka Q) didn't concur.
Q meant "John Q. Public," who was giving Picard&Crew a trial-run in order to see if they could stack up to TOS; and the verdict was, they failed... miserably.
The best part.
That must explain why the TNG ran for twice as many seasons and got ratings 4 times greater than TOS did. Look I love TOS but I didn't let that cloud my judgement of TNG like you obviously did. No it wasn't the exact same show in every detail... get over it already.
TNG was ERASED FROM TREK HISTORY, as of 2009.
By the cast of TOS.
As for ratings, "Baywatch" is the highest-rated show of all time. Are you saying it's the best?
"I didn't let that cloud my judgement of TNG like you obviously did"
SHUT UP WESLEY!
Yeah, a 7 year run, huge ratings and 4 films. Yup, what a failure.
This scene is a mini lesson in master level acting. Notice how Picard walks to the plaque of the Enterprise, wipes it for dust, turns, walks back. His movements, where his eyes go. It's all done so masterfully.
That's the best part of this episode. Brilliant actor. Can't wait to see what they come up with for Picard's new show.
@@sahamal_savu Sadly, it failed to meet expectations. The Picard we once knew and loved, the one shown here, is gone.
@@Soldier4USA2005 Hear hear
@@Soldier4USA2005 I agree, Picard is really, really bad. I was heart broken.
Picard was good once.. before he became a woke disaster shell of a character
Now this is how star trek is written, not war and weapons and all the other bs, just well written stories and dialogue
Don't forget acting talent and a dash of good humor!
DS9 would like to have a word of you, given that it had all of those things.
It helps when your captain is a master of all things dialogue.
Aka BORRRRRRRRRRRRRR-RRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!
Joe Swanson must be a star wars fan.
I love the different reactions of the crew while Picard keeps the Shelliac on hold.
Worf: "They are still on hold. Answer the damn call already!"
Troi: "What on earth is he up to? He wants a resolution, but he's not going to talk to them?"
Riker: "Man, I love it when the Cap gets his hackles up!"
Picard is one of my favourite characters in any movie or series. Impossibly determined and strong willed. In "Chain of Command" when he was being tortured and interrogated by the Cardassians he turned the conversation around and had his interrogator begging him to stop.
And yet, he was still broken. As he himself said "All I had to do was to say that I could see five lights, when in fact, there were only four. [...] I was going to. I would have told him anything. Anything at all. But more than that, I believed that I could see five lights.”
An easy thing to miss is that in the beginning of the video they were reading the treaty, which probably did *not* have information about the Grezellas in it. Meaning Picard just pulled that out of the air because he knows that much about the various races of the Alpha Quadrant.
Knowledge is power....5 years later
Alpha and Beta quadrants. Remember, the Federation straddles the border of the Alpha and Beta quadrants. Unevenly towards the Alpha quadrant, of course, but that's only because the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire, the Federation's largest neighbors in the Beta quadrant, basically "hem in" the federation preventing expansion in that direction.
Checking the wall plaque for dust just made the scene.
In Discovery, this woulda been solved by shouting a lot and then punching people in the face.
Yea std is disappointingly violent compared to tng's message of peace
You are correct, *DSC* tends to handle things in a much more low-brow manner.
What is that "Discovery"?
Don’t forget crying
Worf: This is hopeless. Fighting would be preferable.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: You can’t win, but there are alternatives to fighting.
Love the amused look on Riker's face, and the 'What the fuck are you doing?!' look on Troi's as Picard makes the Sheliak wait. lol
I think Riker realized a bit quicker than Troi what Picard was doing. Ironic considering she is an empath, but if once you consider how good a poker player Riker is and that he is the first officer, it makes a bit more sense that he would catch on quicker to Picard's ploy.
Troi was reading Picard's thoughts, that why she has that look. The real question is...what was Picard actually thinking.
Charles Grant she doesn't read thoughts but emotions.
Yes, i realized i worded that wrong and ran out of time to edit, then forgot i posted it...excuses, excuses.
Yet if an alien takes more than a second to respond to the Enterprises hails Worf says ‘no response’
The smirk of riker after "on screen" knowing exactly what picard does. Both of them are extremely talented at debating. Those as your opponent and its good night for you 🤣
I would follow this man to the ends of the universe.
OkamsRazer Like we all have something better to do with our time?
To infinity, and beyond!
The universe is finite in extent, but has no end.
@@redchris05 Does cellulite have no end? Shall we ask Picard of the enterprise? He says NO.
Absolutely had guy like him in the army guy like that u would die for without question
Several times in my life i've said to people "then i hereby declare this treaty in abeyance..." i got it from this scene...
This is why I love Picard. He's the best Trek captain: he knows when to fight and when to talk.
Picard making the Shelliak wait "on hold" was more than just him enjoying the situation, it was a good negotiating tactic. He was telling the Shelliak that now they were talking on his terms and he was the one who was deciding when and how things would proceed.
I'm gonna make you wait because I can and I know you will sit there like good little boys waiting for me to speak. Why? Because I'm the boss now, bitches!
Couldn't have said it better myself. Its a expert tactic.
@@lindseylewis8651 I'm a conservative, and neither of those things are true about me. Matter of fact, I don't know any conservatives like that. I am concerned that ones like that are out there, however.
Agreed, however, that we need politicians who are more like Picard.
EDIT: Wait, what do you mean by conservative? I'm fairly certain the terms are reversed in the UK, so it could be that we agree anyway. :p
But Picard *enjoyed* using their own treaty (as convoluted as it was) against them!
I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned the Personal Data Assistant (PDA) that Picard uses when quoting the treaty section to the Sheliak. Remember that this was filmed back in the early 90's. Amazing that the producers envisioned that technology, although it seems commonplace to us now.
PADDs have been around since the original series
They tried to make their props look decent in case someone invented the real thing six months later.
@@julietfischer5056 My cell phone is still a Captain Kirk communicator. A flip phone in other words.
Dude PDA s have been around since the 80s, it's not that much fora stretch
@@Supersquiginonsense. I lived through these eras.
The best past was hoe Riker was working hard to not laugh his ass off. Frakes played Riker's facial expressions perfectly.
And Troi's on the edge of her seat, like; "omg what's going to happen" for an empath she's showing poor reading skills of jean luc XD
@@Cheesusful - She's also reading the aliens. Must be hell in that situation.
@@julietfischer5056 she can't read ferengi
I've come to the unfortunate realization that diplomacy isn't all about being a decent person and getting along: its about exploiting every advantage you have to force the other guy to be a decent person and get along with you, on any threats necessary.
It's a gigantic poker game and everyone is cheating.
Picard was good once.. before he became a woke disaster shell of a character
@@skinnie2838 Dude: your on some reality estranged delusion if you think the charicter Piccard wasn't "woke" on social issues... And its worse for you to think that being down for and aware of progressive and social advocacy issues is somehow a "bad thing".
You missed the point of the series and the charicter of Piccard
@@brano13177 Imagine being you and telling someone they "missed the point". Being "woke" has ZERO to do with social issues.
Woke = identity politics run amuck. It pushes RACE, GENDER, and SEXUAL ORIENTATION to the front while everything else is shoved to the back. Straight white men sit at the bottom of the victim totem pole so they are constantly attacked. Everyone else on top ot the pole is in a constant struggle to see who can be the biggest victim. Its eroded and destroyes everything it touches under the guise of "diversity and inclusion".
TNG was NEVER that. Never.
The reason Picard is woke is because the writers took a dump all over him because you cant write men being above or somehow smarter than women anymore. So Jean Luc will finish his career with a big ol steaming Amber Heard dump all over his chest. Thanks leftist wokies. You ruined yet another thing that used to be good.
@@skinnie2838 And imagine being you and not only missing the point; but intentionally missing the point to someone who grew up with the series and grew up seeing the social issues that people like you deny and throw petulent fits over when brought attention
Thing is: that isn't what "woke: means; woke means: "being aware of social issues". But you and your reactionary ilk clearly view awareness of those issues; as a bad thing while yourselves also gleefully engaging in identity politics; namely the opposition and suppression of demographics who aren't not male, not white, not straight or cis for the sake of Straight, cis, white, male supremacy; and I'm saying that AS a straight/cis, white man who's female, POC and LGBT friends are often harrassed, victimized and bullied by the likes of people like you. You have the audacity to claim that media and existence of anyone who isn't a straight, cis, white man is "RACE, GENDER, and SEXUAL ORIENTATION to the front while everything else is shoved to the back" while your the one engging in identity politics that pushes Race, Gender, and Sexual orientation of straight, cis, white men to the front despite the fact we straight, cis, white men have had a large, long and homogenized supremacy in media since as long as Hollywood and cinema had been a thing. And you deem any deviation from that straight, cis, white male homogenized supremacy to be "identity politics run amuck". Because to people like you; there are two races: white and "political", their are two Genders: male and "political" and their are two sexual orientations: straight and "political". And thus; to you: anythign that isn't a straight, cis, white male: is ergo "political". Your rhetoric reveals this to be the case; that you think anyone and anything that isn't a straight, cis, white man that exists in media or at all: is "political". That women exiting in media or real life: is "political", that Black/Arabic/Mexican/Native/Asian peoples existing in media or real life is "political". That Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender/Asexual/Non-binary people existing in media or at all: is "political". And yet such a position and notion; is in fact a politically motivated rubric who want to pretend that straight, cis, white men are someone "not political" despite pushing a reactionary and supremist politics trying to assert such a notion. Straight cis, white men are not the victims; the systems and nations that you live in; benefit and privilege you and I more than a women, a black man a gay person or a trans person given that their aren't laws that are being pushed to strip men, straight or cis men of their rights or systemically criminalizing white people. Meanwhile; women are stripped of their bodily rights, gay and trans people are criminalized for existing while gay and trans and black people and other racial minority groups face persecution and disenfranchisement from systemic policies unaddressed from the eras of Jim Crow, Red lining, Gentrification and other systematically racist policies. And it's a laughable delusion that you would try to assertion otherwise. Matter of fact, despite being the least victimized and least persecuted demographic of people: your the only person trying to engage in a race of playing the victim; when in reality your a supremist who's upset that the playing field is being leveled. Because to you; diversity and inclusion; are enemies and threats for your supremist homogamy and bigoted exclusion to oppose and destroy; because you feel anxious about not having power to secure your privilege and the privilege that grants you power to wield as a cudgel against others. Bigots railed against women and black people being legally acknowledged and treated as equals in society, as they have also done to gay and trans people; all under the fevered assertion of eroding and destroying everything it touches; only to be repeatedly proven wrong. And the only ones who have eroded and destroyed everything they touch; are the bigoted reactionaries like you who would rather destroy their own nations, societies and systems of governance in order to stick it to marginalized minority groups who have less social, economic and political capital than you out of risk that said minorities might get some acknowledgement and seat at the table and have their stories told.
TNG; has always been about addressing stuff like this and not only that; it explicitly warned it's audience about people like you; you yourself are exactly the kind of person and and the ideology that people like you hold: are EXACTLY what TNG warned against and cautioned to be vigilant of.
Except they didn't, and more over: men are not inherently smarter than women but given your rhetoric it seems that your upset that men are no longer being treated as the supremist icons that they used to in media past. The reality is; time marches on, as does social paradigms and understandings. Their are still plenty of media where men are capable of being smart or positions of power; but your upset that women can also be smart and have positions of power as well. My masculinity is not so fragile and nor my ego so chauvinist and insecure that I need to feel personally affronted, attacked and victimized just because a male character isn't in a position of being an hyper-intelligent and all powerful and dominant ubermench, especially over women; given that I'm not intimidated by smart women having authority over me. Bruh; "left wing wokies": made TNG. Hell TNG wouldn't exist without "left wing wokies". Not to mention that the left wing people you rail against; actually seem to be making pretty good media that makes pretty solid buck. Right wing regressive reactionaries meanwhile; make grotesque, laughable, cringe worthy media projects that bomb hard.
For someone who talks as if the existence of anything that isn't straight, cis, white men is "political"; your one of the most political agents here and far more political than any activist for women, POC and LGBT people. The only distinction; is that you have deluded yourself into thinking that your politics is somehow "not political" despite being motivated by a rather blatant political agenda; the politics of Reactionary Conservatism; an Identity Politics in service to bigotry and supremacy by a demographic of those with the most political, social an economic capital and not only the least persecuted; but the persecutors.
This is Picard's biggest pop off of all time. He even delayed responding to dust off the Enterprise's placard!
Picard: LIKE. A. BOSS.
davey929 my god, i just typed this exact thing.
not even remotely. Trump is a fucking idiot.
Diplomacy is nothing more than saying "Good doggy" until you can get your hands on a rock.
Not for Picard; he may have the biggest phaser-banks in Starfleet, but the smallest BALLS.
Diplomacy has more uses than just "stall for time until you can kill it". The Enterprise is at a significant advantage in that encounter. If they were just looking for a rock, the puppy would be dead by the time the video reached the 0:01 mark.
Picard couldn't lift a rock, Kirk could lift IRAQ.
Picard didn't *want* to lift that rock. The man has balls of steel when it counts, though. Kirk was fucking reckless.
@@joeswanson6782 You don't know a daaaaaaamn thing son.
this is a great scene, but one thing that strikes me is that this kind of manipulation is not so rare in real life.
Sahuagin I guess this scene was inspired by one or a another similar real life situation (minus the hibernation part)
Never underestimate the power of bureaucracy.
Rulers are powerless without bureaucrats to carry out their dictates. And the bureaucrats will twist whatever the ruler says into what they want in section 15, part 136, paragraph 42(D)(i)(a).
It's a great illustration of how much of a tactical and strategic mind Picard has though; if it had been Kirk or even Sisko or Janeway in that situation, shots would have been fired, but Picard likes to use his opponent's greatest strengths against them, in this case, the Sheliak's strict adherence to law and code.
This is why Picard is my TV dad...
Section 15, part 136, paragraph 42(D)(i)(a)? "All members of the delegation are to be allocated only one parking space"? We're talking about evacuating an entire civilisation from an alien threat and you're worried about the Cardassians bringing two cars?
ambulance girl
Just because the other side did it first doesn't mean it's not manipulation. The Sheliak were trying to manipulate the Federation using the fine print of the treaty, Picard simply out-manipulated them.
Picard isn't fucking around
Picard is never "fucking around."
Falcrist True, true.
Seems t be fucking around, going to stare at that plaque. Making them wait on his pleasure.
+Zach Johnson TRUE! And he wasn't going to be fucked with, either!
@@HighwaytoHoserville nah, he's just making them sweat it out for a while
There are so many great scenes in Next Gen but this one is one of my favorites.
00tree that’s always been my favorite moment in this episode❤️
Picard quoting Shakespeare on the bridge is a good scene as well.
I love Riker's facial expressions in the backround.
not gonna lie that was funny shit he pulled xD
No way! Diplomacy is done by insulting your enemies over Twitter as everyone knows 😉
Sticks & stones m8
Only if you are the US "president"
7 more years
No that's a good way of making things worse 😒
Trump 2020! MAGA!!!
I love that look of confidence when picard walks up to the bridge.
Hahaha does anyone else see how he checks for dust on the ship's wall plaque, That's how he really feels.
According to what I've heard, that bit was ad-libbed by Patrick Stewart, but it really adds that little "something extra" to the scene, making it all the more amusing. :)
And I would not be the least bit surprised if he did throw that in himself lol It works perfectly.
"I'm just going to go over and stare at the damn plaque? I've got to do more than that." The trivially unnecessary checking for dust highlights the ridiculousness of the scene in such a tasteful way.
A perfect scene. Him checking for dirt reminded me of my basic training inspections and I'm sure Stewart in character inspections at Starfleet Academy.
hes not actually checking for dust. He's just checkmated the guy and has no rush to answer the call. If he was drinking tea he would take a couple of sips or check for a mark on the arm of his seat - signalling that he has full power to his crew and the enemy must rush to reach out to him. Hes enjoying victory - what specifically he did to waste time is immaterial.
This is why TNG is the best show ever.
DS9 >>>>>>>>>>> TNG
@@parag7040 I agree. But TNG a strong #2.
@@parag7040
"DS9"? What the Hell?!
"DS9" is not even Star Trek (where was the "Trek" part exactly?)...
Sure, I enjoyed it for what it was, but c'mon... it can't even compete with "Enterprise", let alone "TNG".
@@KatorNia to be far it was star trek just not what we where use to it showed us sides of st we never fully seen befor space stations are a thing and people ofc would live on them and DS9 showed us what that would look like with some additional things to not make it to boring
@@texastrainfan56
- "Star Trek" literally means "a long arduous journey through the stars".
Where is the trekking part in a stationary space station?
- "Star Trek" is about going places, meeting new civilizations & pushing the boundaries of human knowledge & understanding.
Not just understanding of others, but mostly understanding of *ourselves!*
How does a series focused around Bajorans, Cardassians & the Dominion have anything to do with humans?
Even the main protagonist, the human Sisko, is celebrated as a *Bajoran* Emissary, not as a *Human* Commander.
Unlike any other Star Trek movie & series, in DS9 humanity is a "supporting actor" at best.
Did I enjoy it? Definitely, I've even watched the whole thing twice.
Do I consider it "Star Trek"? Not even by a long shot.
You enjoyed that.
You're damned right.
How is this not a meme?
Picard was always a very good diplomat.
Picard is one captain I really wouldn't want to go against. XD
Kirk: Will most likely shoot at you first, then ask questions.
Janeway: Will ask questions first, then will smash you into bits.
Picard: Will question you until you have no arguements left, use your own arguments agaisnt you to provoke you and while he talks to you, he will figure out a way to make your weapons useless and will end you before you even get a chance to say "Engage."
Love that smug look Picard has on his face at 0:25
You can tell he's imagining the conversation in his head already.
Patric s is amazing.
If you got insomnia, he's the perfect cure.
Gene Roddenberry was amazing.
Apparently, Patrick Stewart threw in that little bit where he went over, studied the Enterprise plaque, checked it for dust, and meandered his way back to the center position. You can see Frakes was trying not to laugh at the improv.
Wow. What a powerful scene. "I quote section 2c paragraph h." Gee Picard. You are much man. I loved how he checked for dust on the placard. Real dramatic. So much better than "Hold on that! Let him sweat for a change." Corbomite Maneuver.
I've always thought highly of this tactic. When someone else's rules cause problems - and the rulers refuse to make exceptions - you make following their own rules and methods such a nightmare for them, they eventually cave in to your demands which are - in your eyes and theirs - much more reasonable in comparison.
Bothering by the book. The best kind of bothering.
this is hopeless, fighting would be preferable...
rikers expression haha
Meanwhile Worf is getting ready to commit Klingon ritual-suicide.....
Perhaps today is a good day to die!
Klingon Weight-Watchers: "it's a good die to diet!"
Haha just noticed. Great acting. The way he stares at Worf for a moment before returning to the screens.
If there was ever a scene where Worf was about to burst out in a full on Klingon belly laugh, it’s this one
Riker and Worf ran into the turbolift and collapsed laughing. You know it happened.
This is one the best negotiation and simplest exchange of dialogues in all of Star Trek history 🤩
Picard for president 2020
Half of your comment is utter bullshit, Parag.
What a great actor patty is. Especially that wry smirk just before he gives that alien both barrels XD
Riker: You enjoyed that!
Troi: Hey! Sensing people's emotions is my job!
Find someone who looks at you the way Riker looks at Picard when he's working.
Star Trek at its finest. I love how they are not afraid to slow down the pace, it doesn't always have to be constant action and spitting out lines like a machine gun to cram in more content.
Captain Picard knows, that you make them wait and sweat it out a bit to get the full effect that you're looking for.
Actually, in TOS, Kirk did that also
It's called writing, that is all it is. You filthy nerds can't tell the difference between reality and fictional writing.
Fuck You and you're here because? ........
"Shelliak" would have been fun to see some more of though... definitely worth an episode or two I think... They seemed like a "red tape" species and had superior technology... would be a fun interaction. Like "we" made them fight the borg for us.... or something...
I've often wondered about a Sheliak, Borg encounter. How it would go down. Maybe the Borg would realise assimilation of Sheliak would lead to overly legalistic procedures spreading through collective and thus avoid. Apart from skirmishes. Personally though I still wanna see Grizzelas. The Sheliak was unamused before Picard mentioned hibernation cycle so clearly they have a reputation. I like to think they are hyper intelligent space faring bear type race. Hence you don't get them angry. Like waking them from hibernation. Imagine them versus the Borg? They rip Borg apart with ease.
@@TheWPhilosopher Yes forgot about the Grizzelas :-) Would have been nice to see them also ofc.
I'm gonna say it: the enlightened nature of the crew makes them all sexy beasts.
Enlightened? Where are the gangbangs?
The closest that Picard ever got to saying "You know what? Fuck you." :-D
"The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank."
-Lieutenant Commander Montgomery Scott
Chief Engineer, U.S.S. Enterprise
I was (still am) more of a Captain Kirk fan, but after seeing this scene, I was thinking, "Yeah... I like Picard, too." That's how you kick an alien's rear when you're a pacifist.
Kirk was a military-type sent on a diplomatic mission on a space ship with surprising lack of basic military safety procedures when it mattered and pushed into that funnel by the script. There's a lot of facepalm / lazy writing about TOS that becomes visible when the nostalgia goggles fall. It is amusing at times though (especially the redshits xD) and the show has a good portion of charme that makes up for those shortcomings. (Still - As a communications buff, watching TOS can be really painful. Like when Kirk says "He just doesn't understand" after not even frickin's trying to explain the situation.)
TNG is definitely a lot more sophisticated in many aspects, although that sophistication can also manage to distract a lot better from that show's shortcomings.
monokhem - LOL, you're funny. Sophisticated writing, huh? Redshirt security officers routinely freezing in the face of danger, disregarding direct and clear instructions, basically being damsels in distress, Dracula's helpless victims. Just to name one example of a general theme of very lazy writing where everything is forced along a script to make a story work.
I enjoy watching it for its strengths, but believability is really bad on so many levels. TOS was a relatively low budget experimental first endeavor into a franchise. I see it more like www.imdb.com/title/tt0061289.
Guys, do you really have to do this here?
Seriously, guys, *get a room.*
I’d hardly regard Picard as a pacifist! Certainly a diplomat, though.
Picard for prez!
Sorry. He's French
joelm33 And France is a Republic. So...
Sir Patrick Stewart seems more fitting anyways 🙂
Just noticed how Riker looks at Worf right at the beginning. "The hell is your deal, man?"
A great example of the power in doing your hard homework and being anchored in the standing laws.
SO memorable! I was too amused for words.
Mess with the bull you get the horn.
And Picard has a LOT of bull!
Always loved this scene.
"You have your three weeks, Picard".
'Thank you...Now away and smell yir maw'.
How could anyone not love Picard. I like Kirk but I LOVE Picard....plus as a boy when I watched this with my dad, he looks like my dad so after my pops passed, everything I see Picard, I remember me and my dad watching TNG.
This is why TNG is the best among all star treks, including TOS
when brilliant writing meets brilliant acting
I would have paid cash to have heard Picard say, at 2:00, 'Oh, fuck 'em'. Lmao :p
it's always the dang subsections that get you!
I do miss this show.Great growing upon this.
This actually makes me want to watch the whole series again.
Has Patrick Stewart ever won any awards for his performance of Captain Picard. If not, it is a shame.
The man owns the part.
Good old days
Hey Discovery, this is how you do Trek. You can shove your "Vulcan Hello".
Dude, DSC has lost the plot so bad at this point can we even really call it Star Trek anymore? I mean, hell, for all it's flaws Enterprise was more Star Trek than DSC, and people hated ENT.
Dargonhuman I loved . it
but Enterprise still was cool in the way it showed us what had transpired that then lead to the creation of the Federation which then held the Ideals
Some people call it STD.
I feel the crew chemistry was off in ENT, but I didn't hate it. It just didn't feel as intimate as the other series'.
How can Picard read that text in tiny, condensed, all-caps, purple font on a black background from at least 1.5 meters away? Geordi should be asking him which eye doctor he sees.
There's one thing I find cool about Star Trek is that every Starship has a license plate on the bridge or license plaque I don't care what you call it it's pretty cool
THAT ALIEN SHIP WAS DESTROYED IN STARTREK 3. IT'S FUNNY WHEN THEY USE OLD PROPS.
Franz Haas it was?
SeaboardSystem ChessieCSX IT WAS NEAR THE BEGINNING OF THE MOVIE. A KLINGON BIRD OF PRAY BLEW THE SHIP UP AFTER THE GENIUS PLANS WERE TRANSFERED TO THE SHIPS COMPUTER. A KLINGON WOMAN SACRIFICED HER LIFE FOR IT.
That was actually Star Trek 3. I agree they do look similar, but maybe a "weaponized" version? They did use that type though in season 1.
SeaboardSystem ChessieCSX YOU ARE RIGHT. RIGHT SHIP ,RIGHT SCENE. WRONG STARTREK MOVIE.
Franz Haas Do you always type in caps lock?
I was silently giggling the entire time he was making them wait.
Civilized combat.
More Star Trek than any "Star Trek" story written since 2000.
Good episode... Great series... I still enjoy it regularly... IMHO: the very best TV series ever.
Love it when he goes over to Enterprise plaque and checks for dust……classic!!!😅
THIS IS STAR TREK!
Its teaching us how to deal in real Life, in some way.
What a coincidence! I watched this episode on TV yesterday.
And that is how you bargain/negotiate.
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This is what made him the best Captain of the Enterprise. Kirk was more of a Brawler. Rather giving it a punch on the face then going into a argument with it. Picard would be the Ultimate Admiral..or the Worst Dictator lmao. Loved that scene.
Oh yes, diplomacy is quite easy if you have the mind for it... and enough time to scour through the entire law of the nation you're up against... and their government doesn't change the law on the fly to fill in the loop holes... or flatly refuse because it's not "in the spirit of the law".
Morphman86 more like if their nation ABIDES by your legal argument, when any competent lawyer can come up with 10 arguments against it in 10 seconds.
Well yeah, but that humans for you, we are shifty bastards who will weasel our way out of an agreement or bend it to the point of breaking if its not to our benefit if we can.
I'd like to believe that some of the alien civilizations are better than we are, and would have more concrete legal systems. Even if we can take advantage of it once, it's much better overall as a whole.
The thing is, it's hard to change a treaty between two nations without approval or notice. And if the Shelliac *had* changed the treaty without Federation approval, there most certainly would have been a war erupting right then. Plus the Shelliac had spent the whole episode saying there was no "spirit of the law," just the letter. They quoted parts of the treaty that benefited them, and Picard quoted and invoked a passage that benefited him.
Well, the Sheliac were known for being bureaucratic rule-followers. Indeed they mentioned in the show that even their language was overly complicated to the point of being incomprehensible to outsiders.
they sure did use that model for a lot of different alien spacecraft
Picard was the freaking man
This is quite possibly one of the greatest scenes in all of Star Trek!!
When you win an argument with your teacher lol
The entire time he was silent I can only imagine in his head he was just "1 Mississippi....2 Mississippi....someone needs to dust up here 3 Mississippi.."
And in "ST Picard" he kind of forgets that he has these skills.
"The best diplomat I know is s fully activated phaser bank."
-Montgomery Scott
Oh, man. It just occurred to me. How did the Grizzelas react when they came out of hibernation and someone told them about this?
If someone told them the whole story, they might have though..."smart move!"
And you can be sure, someone did.
lazyperfectionist1 Probably like this
ruclips.net/video/IL2_MreyKMY/видео.html
I doubt anyone sent the message out since it was resolved by Picard. Also the 3rd party is probably used to getting messages like this, since other species either don't know about the hibernation or just work around it.
MrMikado282 You don't understand. I'm not talking about them learning about it by _receiving a message asking them to arbitrate._ I'm talking about what happened here going down in history that someone among the Grizzelas, at some point, _reads_ about.
Still by far the best thing i ever saw on TV
Captain Picard, General George Hammond. Men you would be proud to serve under.
I wish they had made a better ship for the Sheliak
It was too expensive to build an actual model. They didn't use CGI. So they just adapted models they already had. They had 2 or 3 weeks between the filming of episodes, the amount of work the special effects department had was crazy. 18 hours a day for weeks.
Love how the checks for dust in a starship.
When you know that you’ve won... sometimes it’s best to make them sweat
'Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to he** while making them look forward to the trip.'
I applaud the Sheliaks patience on the hail. If Worf had sent that hail, he would have waited from anywhere from 0-2 seconds for a response before declaring them unresponsive.
Picard was so such a boss! He completely owned the guys