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The funny part is, Dave Mustaine is a self-admitted self-taught "street" guitarist - he absolutely would've been looking for the most direct way to play a riff; any fancy high speed position shifting/string skipping would've been the responsibility of his lead guitarists. These tabs read like someone just threw the notes into a program like Sibelius, hit "convert to Guitar Tab", and then called it a day.
@@vajda958 after? Can you imagine you're about to teach someone you think is going to be some wannabe rockstar kid and fucking Dave Mustaine walks through the door? I'd panic
The cool thing about music is that there are numerous ways to play it, but the notes need to be correct. I feel like the people who wrote this didn't really understand how to transcribe properly and probably were relatively inexperienced or drunk when they wrote it. What a shame. I'm sure there were a lot of people playing the music incorrectly because they used this book as a guide.
This is a perfect example of why training your ear and learning your way around the fretboard is so important. Tabs are incredibly useful to give you a general sense of what's going on, but don't be afraid to question them, listen to the recording, watch the artists perform the tracks live, etc.
Truths. I bought a tab book that was literally MADE by the guitarist of the band in question (I think it was The Dangerous Summer) and the entire thing was in the wrong tuning.
@@aaroningram1060 How about Night Ranger's Jeff Watson on Don't Tell Me You Love Me. Talks about his wide tripplets. Impossible to play. Turns out he's tapping. Same with Judas Priest and Hellbent for Leather.
You telling me i wanted to get back to playing an instrument so i got a Yamaha DX reface for m birthday and dug out my doors anthology book of Ray's keyboard parts; half the keys the song are correct but it still feels off with the solos having a few odd notes that still work but isn't what he actually plays. It's like the biggest companies make the worst crap(looking at you Hal Leonard)
Buying these books was the best feeling ever. Sitting on the bus on your way home and fantasizing about being finally able to play all your favorite riffs... and then feeling discouraged once you actually got around to learning them.
I think I actually learned it from a Guitar world magazine that had a couple lessons from Marty Friedman in it and it was very different from the cherry lane (?) tab book that I had been learning it from.
Oh man, story of my life... It was so discouraging, especially back in the 90's... Pretty much no internet, no youtube, no alternative, no one to ask. Struggling with this kind of situation, and trying to make sense like " ohh, Mustaine or Hetfield or Hanneman etc. are geniuses and I'm a retarded person, that's why they are up on the stage and I'm down here" (well, that is probably true anyway :))
Actually, it's not being able to play insanely difficult riffs, that gets musicians like Hetfield and Mustaine on those big stages, it's being able to write beautiful and memorable riffs. Just look at the vast amount of musicians making guitar covers here on RUclips. Many of them can probably play just as well as many famous touring musicians, but they won't get anywhere outside of RUclips, if they can't write decent stuff of their own.
you can do it! That was one of my very first Songs i learned. Took me months but really made me from beginner to novice/intermediate (except the solos of course........)
I'm wondering if the tabs were generated with a computer, maybe through a midi file or something? Especially after that bullshit at 4:31... No human in thier right mind would tab that out like that.
When Mustaine went on the Alex Jones show in 2012 he mentioned how this was transcribed by Wolf Marshal "who did all the Cherry Lane transcriptions" and it was wrong.
Wolf Marshall was all over the tab scene back in the early 90s. Seemed like he was transcribing everything. No wonder he was mailing it in after a while.
Ah, the ol’ tab book. I remember back in the day the Guitar Center here in Chicago had a Beatles tablature box set of their entire catalog. The whole enchilada. It was $100. I was 15 and had been playing guitar for a little over a year and learning fast. I talked my dad into buying it and calling my birthday or Christmas present, something like that. When we got there to buy it, it was gone. I was straight up heart broken. I still have never seen another one, anywhere, to this day. TO THIS DAY! (Deontay Wilder voice)
Never pay for tabs unless the artists release them themselves. There are way better free tabs on the internet created by true-hearted fans than by commercially-driven companies.
He's always talking about how much money he has in his videos. In one video he has a Gameboy in his hand but you can clearly see there's another Gameboy in the background.
You must never watch my channel because money is the last thing I'd talk about unless it's a video specifically about how much, or little, you make as a performing musician. Where's this video you speak of where I have 2 Gameboys anyway? I'd love to see that.
Maybe because many of those songs are too hard to figure out. Some years ago I barely could find tabs/covers for the crazy Judas Priest's Ram It Down guitar solo. Same goes for All Guns Blazing.
Such a damn good tune! I'm always a little nervous to learn anything from TAB in case it's wrong 😂 I might just have to bite the Sweating Bullet and get a TAB book for this.
Learning from tabs can be helpful but you can always play parts over the song or play then listen and compare. That way you can try to fix where tabs are wrong and helps with some ear training.
@@aydenhenley7147 Good idea, usually. The tabs are user submitted, so they could have transcribed it from the tab book. Best is ultimate guitar pro, if you are willing to pay.
no doubt man.... part of what taught me to watch videos , and learn a lot by ear. even seeing the hand positions live made so much of a difference for me in finding out what was really being played vs crazy tab
I feel like the cliche "when i was a kid, we we had to walk through 6' snowdrifts, up hill, BOTH WAYS!" But it is definitely easier for players to learn songs, technique, theory etc., Today than it was in the late 80s/early 90s when i started. Tabs were almost always poorly transcribed, if you could even find them at all. I remember song books, that were written as actually sheet music, no tabs; but many were all but useless because all they had were the melodies with the chords on the top. They were pretty much only useful for singers. We had internet at my house a few years before most of my friends did, my father was into Ham radio, rebuilding old radios, electronics and shit like that. We had a c Commodore 64 a few years before that. I would find tabs online that were LITERALLY never right. Tabs123 was one of the earliest. Besides being notorious for being wrong, they had to be made by physically hitting the "-" dash from one side to the other, 6 times to represent the strings. Printing them out was a whole other issue. We didn't have color printers, what they printed was no different from what you could do on a typewriters, so they were difficult to see clearly. They were printed on the paper that had the holes running on the sides that you had to remove when it was done printing, and they came as 1 long continuous pages that were perforated so you could pull each page off. However the way they printed, there inevitably be pages that cut off one of the tab lines, so 1 page might have the LowE to G, and the top of the next one had B & E. You had to use a ruler to write in the strings that were cut off. The only other place you could find them was in magazines, but you were at the mercy of whatever they decided to transcribe from one month to the next. Even then they were usually only part of the song, maybe just the main riff. I knew a lot of players who developed really bad or fucked up technique by learning them from magazines. It's hard for players to actually accurately explain their playing style because they're usually not even thinking about it. An interviewer would ask them how they play something, and the response would be "um, im not sure let me see," then they'd play it to figure it out. The problem was that once they were paying attention, they would end up playing it differently that they normally would. This goes double for fast, shredding solos. One of my friends to this day has they most awkward hybrid picking techniques I've ever witnessed. He would hold the pick so that the tip was pointed from the tip of his thump instead of the side like you're supposed to do it. So the tip would be lining up with your thumb nail. They tell you to hang you're hand loosely toward the strings, with your other fingers that you're going to be using. But theb way it was worded you could easily misunderstand the "towards" of the string to be perpendicular to the way the strings (or body), when you really should have them parallel with the strings. So his hand is like 5" away from the strings, his wrist is bent practically in a 90⁰ angle from his arm, and he extends his pick and fingers toward the strings. If it was an acoustic, his fingers would be pointed into the sound hole. It's such a screwed up way to do it that i remember more than once people who've never even held a guitar, let alone play one, point out that it doesn't look right, it's that obvious. I had worked in a repair shop 15 years ago, and every once in a while a client would be dropping off or picking up a guitar. When i would have them play it to make sure that its what they wanted, they would play with that same bizarre way, so i hunted down the issue. Sure as shit, i immediately saw why so many people who practiced it developed this terrible technique. The 2 or 3 pictures (which not all lessons have) were done in a way that didn't show clearly what he was doing, they were pretty much useless. That's just 1 of many similar stories.
The internet and quality tabs have definitely helped make learning guitar easier, back in the day it seems like you basically needed a teacher, or a really good ear, to not suck
Dude we DID have to walk uphill both ways in a blizzard!!! I took lessons but even then my guitar teacher had a tough time trying to learn these super intricate parts. So I learned to play stuff by ear by listening to it over and over and over and just seeing what made sense on the guitar.
Ι remember getting this tab when I was 14 years old, trying to play with my limited abilities back then, closing the book and thinking "well.... there goes my money down the drain..." Thanks for the video Mike!
There's a part of me that admires that they even included the brief feedback bursts because noise like that does deserve to be treated as part of the composition (think about how much less gutsy Weezer's "Say It Ain't So" would be if they hadn't used the take with guitar feedback swelling up before the chorus), even if it can't really be notated beyond general directions like "let feed back" or "high-pitched feedback," but then it was all open strings and I had to retract that admiration - if you're gonna notate the presence of noise and feedback, don't get it wrong!
Wow, I am such a novice guitar player, but a pretty good guitar hero player. This is one of my favourite songs to play on the plastic guitar, and Just hearing you play the song out of the tab book is so painful! The contrast of the tab book to reality is crazy. Love your content! You are a great player and instructor!
Hi Mike, I just wanted to say this was a great video. I'm 45 and have been playing since I was 17... I bought the Rust In Peace book for around $40 Australian many years ago. For people who are new to guitar, unfortunately these books can give people a real bum steer and you are also correct that back then there were certainly no you tubes or much in the way of other resources to help people. Not only did I and others spent countless hours trying to play parts tabbed wrong and almost impossible to play properly, we now have to spend time learning them with more accurate tabs fighting against 20 years of muscle memory...
These tabs were my life back in the early 2000s when I first started learning the guitar. Took most of them with me to Iraq a few times even. I’m sooooo glad I found this channel and that I wasn’t alone in thinking the tabs were funky lol.
i have that book and the countdown to extinction tab book. they're so bad, it's incredible. i was used to good quality material from hal leonard, because of all the troy stetina stuff they have, so i gave those tab books a shot. i'm glad you're making these videos to get some more attention to this problem.
I don't trust Dave since the "remaster's" 04! Re-recording VOCALS! ADDING SNARE (here & there) ruining the bass & backing vocals & worst of ALL! singing 5 magics wrong!!! Even in the booklet it's a mess!
Haha - thanks for doing these tab book videos, to this day I have the justice for all and rust in peace books seared into my brain!! I almost got that flamenco riff nailed down all wrong too 🤣
Learnt the song using tabs off the internet. Just to mess around I started playing the riffs in different ways, Dave’s stretchy bit as in the tab that he is using came naturally. It was the pull offs and hammer on riff that was fun, I sometimes play it on the twelfth fret of the low E string or the second fret of the D string.
When I first started reading the guitar tabs I couldn't understand it and back in the day I just quit trying to learn guitar. But at 50 years of age I can watch RUclips videos and learn more easily.
I remember getting that tab book. That was in 96. I got it home, unbelievably excited. Flipped through it, and was happy to be able to play the Tornado of Souls... the opening. That book was ridiculously bad.
The coolest part about the end of daves solo is that you actually start with an upstroke on the barred 12th fret e, and kinda do it in a way where you're getting pinched harmonics from it. Hard to describe but I think I saw him do it and when I tried it, it was there! So cool!
I never completely trusted tabs note for note. I would just use them as a foundation to get me started on something and then tweak them from there until they sounded right. They're an OK tool, but shouldn't be used as a crutch. *Blatant Disarray* does a sick cover of this song.
I'm convinced that they never learned the song.. They simply slowed it down and wrote out the transcription to save time. There was no internet back then so the only way to hold them accountable was to send in a handwritten letter that probably would get lost in the pile.
I guess the main reason why the tabs from the book sound so different is, that Dave has the better gear. Time to buy a couple new guitars and amps to find out
At 1:15 I think your correction is actually incorrect and the tab is right. I learned the riff years ago from a tab that shows your way, which is how Mustaine says he plays it, but after listening to the isolated guitar track a few weeks ago I realized it was wrong all along. Yes, I'm saying Mustaine's lesson is wrong. Doesn't mean that he plays his own song wrong, I just think that on that particular video he got it mixed up without dwelling too much on whether it's 5-3 or 3-5 and he just played 3-5 by mistake and went along with it. If you listen to the isolated guitar track slowed down you can clearly hear an A (5 on the E) right after the 5-4-3 bit. For reference here are the isolated guitars: ruclips.net/video/fWl3y1CPwds/видео.html And here's Mustaine's lesson: ruclips.net/video/l8eV1zLDj0Q/видео.htmlsi=DMmNAYXAE9bhY5yK&t=257
I just downloaded the Book and today I got into Dave´s final solo and I was like: "That´s looks and sounds really weird" and decided to make a research so i got to your video. Thank you very much! YOu save e a lot of time and effort Bro !!
They are still selling this book with he exact same misprints and mistakes. I got it for Christmas and just stumbled across this video. Edit: Hal Leonard sells it and claims it’s “authentic transcriptions with notes and tablature”
Actually i remember some guy send a thanks note to Dave Mustaine with a pic of "Holy Wars" main riff from this book, and Dave himself says "This is wrong".
I have it right there and the thing that always blew my mind was Poison Was The Cure when they set the tempo of the main riff at 320bpm O.o Talk about giving up trying to play ...
I'm convinced these tab books were created by just dropping midi versions of these songs downloaded from some GeoCities site into Guitar Pro and letting it figure out the notes and just hitting print.
that acoustic part is my favorite part in the whole song and it only took me about 3 months to learn (that's bad I was being sarcastic lol) it's supposed to be like a 2 string sweep picking exercise and it sounds really cool
It is incredible just how bad a lot of these books actualy were . I remember getting that one plus the Iron maiden one and several Metallica books . Hangar 18 was a challenge but fun to do .
I was never good at learning by ear. I really only had 2 options. Get the tab book and try to correct the obvious mistakes they were making with what seemed to make sense, or bring the tape (as in cassette) to my guitar teacher, who could hear a riff once and say here's how you play it. I really wish I started learning nowadays, instead of back then.
Most younger players don't understand how influential Dave was even in the early years. He would have players come from all over the West Coast to watch him play. He played better drunk than all of his peers play sober in the Bay area. Spider chords as Dave calls them are very difficult to pull off if you have small hands.
You are so right about the crazy stretch I thought these guitarists had. I also thought the two guitars on one tab were one guitar. That really messed my brother and me up when we were learning.
Joe Walsh told one of the Beatles was a really tough song to learn, but he did it. Said Beatle was impressed….Walsh had not realized 2 guitars were playing the great guitar parts in harmony. Walsh did both parts himself.
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Next mistake... No more mistakes!
I definitely knew someone would do this!
You win the thread.
Best comment! LOL!
unfortunately the idiots who transcribed the guitar tab books never got the damn memo!
@@GuitarsAndSynths Dude some poeple risk to eploy you.
First mistake... 1:02
Last mistake. 10:59
You win
No more mistakes 12:51
Brilliant guys
😂🤣🤘🏼
god
The Official tab was originally transcribed by:
-Dave Mistake
-Dave Help-me-son
-Marty fried-hand
-Nick not "Menza" be played the right way.
💀
Lmao
This is actually a funny original joke 😂
LoL 😂😂
☠️
"Not forgivable"? So you dub them...
*Unforgiven?*
Metallica reference. Ironic.
‘What I fret, what I’m shown
Never sounds much like the song,
Never played… just like Dave…
So I Tab thee Unforgiven….’
👍😂
get out XD
I got that reference
Playing Dave’s riffs on Hetfield’s guitar 😁😁
No one tell Dave!
It's always better that way
What did he steal it from James?
so its basically kill em all
The irony.
The funny part is, Dave Mustaine is a self-admitted self-taught "street" guitarist - he absolutely would've been looking for the most direct way to play a riff; any fancy high speed position shifting/string skipping would've been the responsibility of his lead guitarists. These tabs read like someone just threw the notes into a program like Sibelius, hit "convert to Guitar Tab", and then called it a day.
Yeah, he even said he started actual guitar classes way AFTER founding Megadeth (it was in a video interview somewhere)
That's exactly what it looks like lol
@@vajda958 after? Can you imagine you're about to teach someone you think is going to be some wannabe rockstar kid and fucking Dave Mustaine walks through the door? I'd panic
@@vajda958 he wanted chris poland to teach him. After his left hand injury, he got guitar lessons to improve his hand
It's almost like a classical guitar were your trying to utilize the closest area electric guitar it's not like that it's not like a piano for guitar
Someone needs to get these artists to try and play their own songs from a tab book.
XD
that's actually an excellent idea, would love to see
I remember having this tab book as a young child, it really sucked
Does it suck less as an adult child?
Lucky ass. I had to learn this by ear. Still play a hybrid of my way and the tab way
the cover art is cool but tabs are the worst
Honestly the greatest hits tab book is much better with holy wars and hanger 18. Amongst other songs you would want to play from Megadeth.
The cool thing about music is that there are numerous ways to play it, but the notes need to be correct. I feel like the people who wrote this didn't really understand how to transcribe properly and probably were relatively inexperienced or drunk when they wrote it. What a shame. I'm sure there were a lot of people playing the music incorrectly because they used this book as a guide.
This is a perfect example of why training your ear and learning your way around the fretboard is so important. Tabs are incredibly useful to give you a general sense of what's going on, but don't be afraid to question them, listen to the recording, watch the artists perform the tracks live, etc.
Bottomline: the "official" tabs are not official. Like.. ever. Don't buy them.
I found a lot of songs dont have true or canonical script. Instead they have "direction" lol.
Truths. I bought a tab book that was literally MADE by the guitarist of the band in question (I think it was The Dangerous Summer) and the entire thing was in the wrong tuning.
It's not hetfield it's his own guitar
@@aaroningram1060 How about Night Ranger's Jeff Watson on Don't Tell Me You Love Me. Talks about his wide tripplets. Impossible to play. Turns out he's tapping. Same with Judas Priest and Hellbent for Leather.
You telling me i wanted to get back to playing an instrument so i got a Yamaha DX reface for m birthday and dug out my doors anthology book of Ray's keyboard parts; half the keys the song are correct but it still feels off with the solos having a few odd notes that still work but isn't what he actually plays. It's like the biggest companies make the worst crap(looking at you Hal Leonard)
Buying these books was the best feeling ever. Sitting on the bus on your way home and fantasizing about being finally able to play all your favorite riffs... and then feeling discouraged once you actually got around to learning them.
I think I actually learned it from a Guitar world magazine that had a couple lessons from Marty Friedman in it and it was very different from the cherry lane (?) tab book that I had been learning it from.
I had this exact experience 😂
Oh man, story of my life... It was so discouraging, especially back in the 90's... Pretty much no internet, no youtube, no alternative, no one to ask. Struggling with this kind of situation, and trying to make sense like " ohh, Mustaine or Hetfield or Hanneman etc. are geniuses and I'm a retarded person, that's why they are up on the stage and I'm down here" (well, that is probably true anyway :))
I was in a mega-tallica group and we began to learn this whole album. I remember skipping holy wars because the tab was insane...
And more unfair, newer players don’t have the experience to see through the bullshit.
Actually, it's not being able to play insanely difficult riffs, that gets musicians like Hetfield and Mustaine on those big stages, it's being able to write beautiful and memorable riffs.
Just look at the vast amount of musicians making guitar covers here on RUclips. Many of them can probably play just as well as many famous touring musicians, but they won't get anywhere outside of RUclips, if they can't write decent stuff of their own.
I know your pain. I wish I had access to today's resources when I started playing.
Guitar magazines...
“Holy Wars, The Punishment Due” is my favorite Megadeth song of all time. It’s on my bucket list to learn.
you can do it! That was one of my very first Songs i learned. Took me months but really made me from beginner to novice/intermediate (except the solos of course........)
You can learn the song with about 4 months of playing
Buy the official tab book 👌🏻 ohh… wait… nevermind 😅
its not too hard
How long have you been playing?
'Holy Wars' is the name of the song. '(The Punishment Due)' is the name of the official tab.
Actually, the song is a combination of Holy wars, and the punishment due
3 years later and u still never got the joke huh
I'm getting interested to know who made all this weird notation for these "teaching" books.
Billy the unpaid intern.
I'm wondering if the tabs were generated with a computer, maybe through a midi file or something? Especially after that bullshit at 4:31... No human in thier right mind would tab that out like that.
@@wardkdouglas right? like tabs that reference 29th fret and expect us to stretch from 12th fret to 30th fret lol
@@wardkdouglas yeah most likely honestly, i will put midi into a tab software, and its always wild stuff like that
they're teaching you how to play it wrong
Also, this is quickly becoming one of my favourite series, not least because you keep picking a bunch of my favourite songs: looking forward to more!
You could also look at Megadeth: selections from Peace Sells & So Far, So Good... Oh man. Where to begin with that one.
That book is bloody woeful.
When Mustaine went on the Alex Jones show in 2012 he mentioned how this was transcribed by Wolf Marshal "who did all the Cherry Lane transcriptions" and it was wrong.
I'm pretty sure he also did the ....And Justice for All tab book, which I guess explains why that one is also terrible.
How do guys like this keep getting work? I’m guessing pre internet good transcribers were hard to find
Wolf Marshall was all over the tab scene back in the early 90s. Seemed like he was transcribing everything. No wonder he was mailing it in after a while.
Adam Jones got the chorus of Vicarious from the Megadeath tab book that''s totally wrong lol
And you got Megadeth's name wrong :P.
and its the verse not the chorus
That's cool
I was very disappointed with this tab book….wait till you get to the Lucretia breakdown lol
Ahhh how nostalgic the first megadeth song I've learned and played
How did you become so powerful the first Megadeth song you played was this one?
@@spacejesus4747 It’s not that hard, if you can play blackened you’ll have no problem with rust in peace
Its much easier than KiMB album songs to play
"Today i just decided to go with the gameboy"🤣 I love this guy
He explained why, the usual Internet douchebags got butthurt when he used the Boss pedal because they're most probably worshipping it.
Ah, the ol’ tab book. I remember back in the day the Guitar Center here in Chicago had a Beatles tablature box set of their entire catalog. The whole enchilada. It was $100. I was 15 and had been playing guitar for a little over a year and learning fast. I talked my dad into buying it and calling my birthday or Christmas present, something like that. When we got there to buy it, it was gone. I was straight up heart broken. I still have never seen another one, anywhere, to this day. TO THIS DAY! (Deontay Wilder voice)
I love how he's so chill and seems to love teaching guitar and then casually shredds like an 80s vilain
Never pay for tabs unless the artists release them themselves. There are way better free tabs on the internet created by true-hearted fans than by commercially-driven companies.
These are crazy entertaining to watch... having struggled with these books personally as a beginner guitarist. Need more of these videos! ☺
Are you really using an original Gameboy as a paperweight 😂😂😂
Rich people moments
he do be mad flexing doe ngl
@@fyratvanoll3497 Guitar player? Rich?! 😂😂😂😂
He's always talking about how much money he has in his videos. In one video he has a Gameboy in his hand but you can clearly see there's another Gameboy in the background.
You must never watch my channel because money is the last thing I'd talk about unless it's a video specifically about how much, or little, you make as a performing musician. Where's this video you speak of where I have 2 Gameboys anyway? I'd love to see that.
10:02 WOW! That must be the most confusing tab i've ever seen XD
Why do the best songs always have the worst tab books…..? I love these videos, hope you can make a whole series out of it🙌🙌🙌
Maybe because many of those songs are too hard to figure out. Some years ago I barely could find tabs/covers for the crazy Judas Priest's Ram It Down guitar solo. Same goes for All Guns Blazing.
Such a damn good tune! I'm always a little nervous to learn anything from TAB in case it's wrong 😂 I might just have to bite the Sweating Bullet and get a TAB book for this.
Just use songsterr.
Learning from tabs can be helpful but you can always play parts over the song or play then listen and compare. That way you can try to fix where tabs are wrong and helps with some ear training.
@@aydenhenley7147 Good idea, usually. The tabs are user submitted, so they could have transcribed it from the tab book. Best is ultimate guitar pro, if you are willing to pay.
"What, do they think we're Al Dimeola?"...that cracked me up!
Bro he looks like Markiplier
no doubt man.... part of what taught me to watch videos , and learn a lot by ear. even seeing the hand positions live made so much of a difference for me in finding out what was really being played vs crazy tab
Sliding the pick on the string was hilarious.
I feel like the cliche "when i was a kid, we we had to walk through 6' snowdrifts, up hill, BOTH WAYS!" But it is definitely easier for players to learn songs, technique, theory etc., Today than it was in the late 80s/early 90s when i started. Tabs were almost always poorly transcribed, if you could even find them at all. I remember song books, that were written as actually sheet music, no tabs; but many were all but useless because all they had were the melodies with the chords on the top. They were pretty much only useful for singers.
We had internet at my house a few years before most of my friends did, my father was into Ham radio, rebuilding old radios, electronics and shit like that. We had a c Commodore 64 a few years before that. I would find tabs online that were LITERALLY never right. Tabs123 was one of the earliest.
Besides being notorious for being wrong, they had to be made by physically hitting the "-" dash from one side to the other, 6 times to represent the strings. Printing them out was a whole other issue. We didn't have color printers, what they printed was no different from what you could do on a typewriters, so they were difficult to see clearly. They were printed on the paper that had the holes running on the sides that you had to remove when it was done printing, and they came as 1 long continuous pages that were perforated so you could pull each page off. However the way they printed, there inevitably be pages that cut off one of the tab lines, so 1 page might have the LowE to G, and the top of the next one had B & E. You had to use a ruler to write in the strings that were cut off.
The only other place you could find them was in magazines, but you were at the mercy of whatever they decided to transcribe from one month to the next. Even then they were usually only part of the song, maybe just the main riff. I knew a lot of players who developed really bad or fucked up technique by learning them from magazines.
It's hard for players to actually accurately explain their playing style because they're usually not even thinking about it. An interviewer would ask them how they play something, and the response would be "um, im not sure let me see," then they'd play it to figure it out. The problem was that once they were paying attention, they would end up playing it differently that they normally would. This goes double for fast, shredding solos.
One of my friends to this day has they most awkward hybrid picking techniques I've ever witnessed.
He would hold the pick so that the tip was pointed from the tip of his thump instead of the side like you're supposed to do it. So the tip would be lining up with your thumb nail. They tell you to hang you're hand loosely toward the strings, with your other fingers that you're going to be using.
But theb way it was worded you could easily misunderstand the "towards" of the string to be perpendicular to the way the strings (or body), when you really should have them parallel with the strings. So his hand is like 5" away from the strings, his wrist is bent practically in a 90⁰ angle from his arm, and he extends his pick and fingers toward the strings. If it was an acoustic, his fingers would be pointed into the sound hole.
It's such a screwed up way to do it that i remember more than once people who've never even held a guitar, let alone play one, point out that it doesn't look right, it's that obvious.
I had worked in a repair shop 15 years ago, and every once in a while a client would be dropping off or picking up a guitar. When i would have them play it to make sure that its what they wanted, they would play with that same bizarre way, so i hunted down the issue. Sure as shit, i immediately saw why so many people who practiced it developed this terrible technique. The 2 or 3 pictures (which not all lessons have) were done in a way that didn't show clearly what he was doing, they were pretty much useless.
That's just 1 of many similar stories.
The internet and quality tabs have definitely helped make learning guitar easier, back in the day it seems like you basically needed a teacher, or a really good ear, to not suck
Dude we DID have to walk uphill both ways in a blizzard!!! I took lessons but even then my guitar teacher had a tough time trying to learn these super intricate parts. So I learned to play stuff by ear by listening to it over and over and over and just seeing what made sense on the guitar.
what great timing, I was about to give up on practicing Holy Wars. THANKS MIKE
Your bad tab videos are awesome, especially Megadeth!
I’m glad I learned this song from a Guitar mag tab and not the official tab book.
We did a full cover on the channel Shred Brothers it’s a weird song to learn. We improvised.
Ι remember getting this tab when I was 14 years old, trying to play with my limited abilities back then, closing the book and thinking "well.... there goes my money down the drain..." Thanks for the video Mike!
I love your paperweight 😂 00:16
I love the fact you're using an Explorer to play Megadeth
Dude, can you make a lot of videos like this? I feel like this can be your thing. Not even getting started on apps and guitar pro. Anyway, much love.
This is like his 3rd or 4th video on the subject.
Can you make best tab books list or something like that
There's a part of me that admires that they even included the brief feedback bursts because noise like that does deserve to be treated as part of the composition (think about how much less gutsy Weezer's "Say It Ain't So" would be if they hadn't used the take with guitar feedback swelling up before the chorus), even if it can't really be notated beyond general directions like "let feed back" or "high-pitched feedback," but then it was all open strings and I had to retract that admiration - if you're gonna notate the presence of noise and feedback, don't get it wrong!
Or the feedback in "Mayonaise" from The Smashing Pumpkins.
Or the feedback after the solo in "Don't Feaк The Reaper"; at least it seems that that song is tabbed correctly in thу tab book.
Wow, I am such a novice guitar player, but a pretty good guitar hero player. This is one of my favourite songs to play on the plastic guitar, and Just hearing you play the song out of the tab book is so painful! The contrast of the tab book to reality is crazy.
Love your content! You are a great player and instructor!
that's how I started out too man, been playing "real guitar" I think over 10 years now
It's funny you mention GH
You'd think that since I've been playing for a Long time I'd be able to play it, no problem
I can't do it. Lol
Hi Mike, I just wanted to say this was a great video. I'm 45 and have been playing since I was 17... I bought the Rust In Peace book for around $40 Australian many years ago. For people who are new to guitar, unfortunately these books can give people a real bum steer and you are also correct that back then there were certainly no you tubes or much in the way of other resources to help people. Not only did I and others spent countless hours trying to play parts tabbed wrong and almost impossible to play properly, we now have to spend time learning them with more accurate tabs fighting against 20 years of muscle memory...
My new favorite RUclips channel. Excellent.
These tabs were my life back in the early 2000s when I first started learning the guitar. Took most of them with me to Iraq a few times even. I’m sooooo glad I found this channel and that I wasn’t alone in thinking the tabs were funky lol.
I remember getting that book in the 90's. It's a crime how awful it is. That is one album I wish so badly we could get a 'perfect' transcription of.
i have that book and the countdown to extinction tab book. they're so bad, it's incredible. i was used to good quality material from hal leonard, because of all the troy stetina stuff they have, so i gave those tab books a shot. i'm glad you're making these videos to get some more attention to this problem.
That acoustic part oh my god....
I have this book! Lol. I just remember thinking the end of Tornado's solo was impossible. Then saw this tabs book and all my instincts were true lol
I couldn’t help salivating over that explorer 😂
5:29 Sounds almost like the yodelling part of Hocus Pocus
I don't trust Dave since the "remaster's" 04! Re-recording VOCALS! ADDING SNARE (here & there) ruining the bass & backing vocals & worst of ALL! singing 5 magics wrong!!! Even in the booklet it's a mess!
It's a travesty. Hold on to your original CDs.
Haha - thanks for doing these tab book videos, to this day I have the justice for all and rust in peace books seared into my brain!! I almost got that flamenco riff nailed down all wrong too 🤣
Learnt the song using tabs off the internet. Just to mess around I started playing the riffs in different ways, Dave’s stretchy bit as in the tab that he is using came naturally. It was the pull offs and hammer on riff that was fun, I sometimes play it on the twelfth fret of the low E string or the second fret of the D string.
The 3,2,0,0 part, that also makes more sense in how you show it is supposed to do since that's similar to Phantom Lord
When I first started reading the guitar tabs I couldn't understand it and back in the day I just quit trying to learn guitar. But at 50 years of age I can watch RUclips videos and learn more easily.
Megadeth is my favourite band 🤘🤘
The not sweeping alleged stretch Pull off part of the solo, sounds so good if you finger tap it
I remember getting that tab book. That was in 96. I got it home, unbelievably excited. Flipped through it, and was happy to be able to play the Tornado of Souls... the opening. That book was ridiculously bad.
The coolest part about the end of daves solo is that you actually start with an upstroke on the barred 12th fret e, and kinda do it in a way where you're getting pinched harmonics from it. Hard to describe but I think I saw him do it and when I tried it, it was there! So cool!
I love the sound that makes.
They should have the guitarist(s) look at the tabs before they start selling it. Especially the big companys that make tabs like Hal Leonard
love your channel!I had these same books when I was starting out. Lol.
I think" Songsterr "has the most accurate tabs.
Have this book. Swear to god I thought I was going insane when I’d compare the music and the book together
Ought to do a series of the whole album.
I never completely trusted tabs note for note. I would just use them as a foundation to get me started on something and then tweak them from there until they sounded right. They're an OK tool, but shouldn't be used as a crutch. *Blatant Disarray* does a sick cover of this song.
Oh I love these Tabs Gone Bad videos
I'm convinced that they never learned the song.. They simply slowed it down and wrote out the transcription to save time. There was no internet back then so the only way to hold them accountable was to send in a handwritten letter that probably would get lost in the pile.
i started playing in 96, and it was hard times. nowadays its guitar heaven.
Such a good feeling when you learn something you wished you could play when you were new
I guess the main reason why the tabs from the book sound so different is, that Dave has the better gear. Time to buy a couple new guitars and amps to find out
I'm waiting for you to review that Explorer guitar
At 1:15 I think your correction is actually incorrect and the tab is right.
I learned the riff years ago from a tab that shows your way, which is how Mustaine says he plays it, but after listening to the isolated guitar track a few weeks ago I realized it was wrong all along. Yes, I'm saying Mustaine's lesson is wrong. Doesn't mean that he plays his own song wrong, I just think that on that particular video he got it mixed up without dwelling too much on whether it's 5-3 or 3-5 and he just played 3-5 by mistake and went along with it. If you listen to the isolated guitar track slowed down you can clearly hear an A (5 on the E) right after the 5-4-3 bit.
For reference here are the isolated guitars: ruclips.net/video/fWl3y1CPwds/видео.html
And here's Mustaine's lesson: ruclips.net/video/l8eV1zLDj0Q/видео.htmlsi=DMmNAYXAE9bhY5yK&t=257
5:14 bro about to start play Spiderman theme lmfao
I just downloaded the Book and today I got into Dave´s final solo and I was like: "That´s looks and sounds really weird" and decided to make a research so i got to your video. Thank you very much! YOu save e a lot of time and effort Bro !!
They are still selling this book with he exact same misprints and mistakes. I got it for Christmas and just stumbled across this video.
Edit: Hal Leonard sells it and claims it’s “authentic transcriptions with notes and tablature”
Your rust book is different than the one I had back in the day..
Do Take No Prisoners, the tab has me f&##%d up for like 3 decades! Im getting too....🤔. just old enough for this shit!
Actually i remember some guy send a thanks note to Dave Mustaine with a pic of "Holy Wars" main riff from this book, and Dave himself says "This is wrong".
Not to be that guy, but after the flamenco part at 6:09 Marty actually plays an EMAJ instead of EM, so that's another mistake in the tab book.
I have it right there and the thing that always blew my mind was Poison Was The Cure when they set the tempo of the main riff at 320bpm O.o Talk about giving up trying to play ...
You should use a Boss ODB3 Bass-Overdrive!!! Best pageholder ever!!!
I'm convinced these tab books were created by just dropping midi versions of these songs downloaded from some GeoCities site into Guitar Pro and letting it figure out the notes and just hitting print.
that acoustic part is my favorite part in the whole song
and it only took me about 3 months to learn (that's bad I was being sarcastic lol)
it's supposed to be like a 2 string sweep picking exercise and it sounds really cool
Excellent vid. Everything was spot on!
"doesn't that look way easier"
me, barely able to play the verse riffs right: haha yeah
It is incredible just how bad a lot of these books actualy were . I remember getting that one plus the Iron maiden one and several Metallica books . Hangar 18 was a challenge but fun to do .
My question is who tabs these books? I have seen some very accurate tabbing and some worse than this. Just wondering
Not the biggest Megadeth guy but the musicianship is top notch. My favorite song by them is Ashes in your Mouth though.
Hal Leonard owes me a lot of money. I have a lot of their books and have had my suspicions over the years.
5:29 In The Hall Of The Mountain King
I Always trusted the Guitar World transcriptions
I was never good at learning by ear. I really only had 2 options. Get the tab book and try to correct the obvious mistakes they were making with what seemed to make sense, or bring the tape (as in cassette) to my guitar teacher, who could hear a riff once and say here's how you play it. I really wish I started learning nowadays, instead of back then.
7:55 that alrt actually was correct it swtiches back and forth from the 7th fret to the 3rd fret in different parts of the song
I always figured those tab books were transcribed by a pianist 🤷🏼
Also, I think the ending chord on the nylon middle eastern section is an E maj, not E minor.
Most younger players don't understand how influential Dave was even in the early years. He would have players come from all over the West Coast to watch him play. He played better drunk than all of his peers play sober in the Bay area. Spider chords as Dave calls them are very difficult to pull off if you have small hands.
You are so right about the crazy stretch I thought these guitarists had. I also thought the two guitars on one tab were one guitar. That really messed my brother and me up when we were learning.
Joe Walsh told one of the Beatles was a really tough song to learn, but he did it.
Said Beatle was impressed….Walsh had not realized 2 guitars were playing the great guitar parts in harmony. Walsh did both parts himself.