Has anyone else noticed that Cordelia is played by Phoebe Nichols, who also now plays the egregious Lady Susan, Marchioness of Flintshire, wife of Shrimpy and mother of Rose on "Downton Abbey?"
She *is* using Charles to spy and he kinda realizes it and knows he should not give into her but maybe his issue with her is that he no longer has a mum of his own.
I think the attraction between Charles and Sebastian would have originated from the lack of love and concern from their cold fathers. A human can be starved for love. Charles with no mother, Sebastian with an icy one. They sought love and emotional intimacy from each other. I don't think it had to do with physical intimacy. Charles grew out of it but always loved his dear friend. Sebastian simply disintegrated whereas Charles moved on. Their relationship does not fail to touch people.
Sebastian’s damage was far worse because while he had an absent father, his mother exerted such control over his seeing him it was passive revenge. So Sebastian was virtually orphaned emotionally
I keep seeing comments that Andrews does not resemble Sebastian in the book physically, where exactly is he described in the book? I have yet to read it but so far it's almost word for word to what is presented here in the series.
Perhaps it's the way Bloom is playing her, but Lady M is such a desperate-to-charm calculated phony it's nauseating. Charles doesn't owe her the time of day, but he's too young to realize that. And yes, he feels the lack of a mother and may be a bit hypnotized.
He is a good actor in the right role. I have seen Anthony Andrews on and off in various things and the only characters he really seems to get right are the sort of emotionally wounded aristocratic types like Sebastian, or brainless Bertie Wooster type characters or louche cad types like his 'lecherous lecherer' in Love in a cold climate. I suppose it's because Jeremy Irons is his co-star in this that makes a slightly unfavourable comparison, as he really is a great actor with a fantastic range.
These days Sebastian would have been taught coping skills every time he sees his mother or family. He portrayed this character exceptionally well with all the inner complexity and dysfunctional family dynamics. Lady Marchmain tried her best to be a single mother is this aristocratic family where they were expected to behave in a very particular way, maintaining their dignity, pride at the same time Catholics. It’s very complex dynamics and very well played by all. Love Cordelia.
Anthony Andrews can really do the wounded stag or 'butterfly crushed under a wheel' role really well. His portrayal of Sebasitan is pretty faultless in terms of being true to the book, his only disadvantage is that he physically doesn't resemble the Sebasitan of the book and the whole similarity of Sebasitan to Julia is actually quite important in the book but doesn't come across here as effectively because Andrews and Diana Quick don't really resemble each other at all. Still...minor gripe
@grybnyx that is such a shame. can't believe they would call you sebastien though. that is just too sad to make light of your situation by comparing it to this movie.
My take on the story is: Charles is an upper middle class heterosexual male who just happens to be taken with the glamour, beauty and prestige of his friend's family circumstance. As well as, yes , Sebastian's personal charm. Sebastian's homosexuality, although not discussed in the writing, ought to be the corner stone of sharp conflict between Sebastian's Catholic mother and his own inner earning for happiness. Family pressures not withstanding, it was unrequited love for Charles that ultimately tipped off the scales and made Sebastian go off the deep end.
Well, that gave me another perspective. This is so many layered...I was really thinking it was S's awful family and their utter ignoring of his condition. Maybe it was them as well as the lack of fulfillment for him as a gay man from a man who was essentially straight though deeply, truly fond of S. in a kind of love. No wonder. Nowhere to turn for poor S. And your take indicates the relationship may never have been consummated sexually, which frustrated S.
It was consummated, Cordelia found them naked on the roof. Yes, they were supposedly sunbathing - but there’s no need to be completely naked sunbathing.
"there was midwinter in sebastien's heart" what a great line. very poetic.
He is a brilliant actor.
Look at the smile when he sees Sebastian :D
beautiful english voices
Has anyone else noticed that Cordelia is played by Phoebe Nichols, who also now plays the egregious Lady Susan, Marchioness of Flintshire, wife of Shrimpy and mother of Rose on "Downton Abbey?"
cordelia's such a sweet sister
At the very time I was watching this for the first time in '81 I too was sliding into alcoholism and drug addiction. My friends called me Sebastien.
I very much hope you
survived in good shape. My mother and family had a good try at bringing ME down, without success!
How are u ten years later?
@@Mike8981 Life got very bad for me, Mick, and then it got very beautiful, and has been that way ever since.
She *is* using Charles to spy and he kinda realizes it and knows he should not give into her but maybe his issue with her is that he no longer has a mum of his own.
I think the attraction between Charles and Sebastian would have originated from the lack of love and concern from their cold fathers. A human can be starved for love. Charles with no mother, Sebastian with an icy one. They sought love and emotional intimacy from each other. I don't think it had to do with physical intimacy. Charles grew out of it but always loved his dear friend. Sebastian simply disintegrated whereas Charles moved on. Their relationship does not fail to touch people.
Sebastian’s damage was far worse because while he had an absent father, his mother exerted such control over his seeing him it was passive revenge. So Sebastian was virtually orphaned emotionally
or they were just gay
Ok, I haven´t seen him in that many roles, - but, anyway, I love his "Sebastian". Not easy to shake off :)
I keep seeing comments that Andrews does not resemble Sebastian in the book physically, where exactly is he described in the book? I have yet to read it but so far it's almost word for word to what is presented here in the series.
He gets so triggered every time he meets his mother.
Perhaps it's the way Bloom is playing her, but Lady M is such a desperate-to-charm calculated phony it's nauseating. Charles doesn't owe her the time of day, but he's too young to realize that. And yes, he feels the lack of a mother and may be a bit hypnotized.
It’s not the way Bloom is playing her, it’s the way she is written in the book so obviously she’s playing it well
@@heyyou9839 bit of both
He is a good actor in the right role. I have seen Anthony Andrews on and off in various things and the only characters he really seems to get right are the sort of emotionally wounded aristocratic types like Sebastian, or brainless Bertie Wooster type characters or louche cad types like his 'lecherous lecherer' in Love in a cold climate. I suppose it's because Jeremy Irons is his co-star in this that makes a slightly unfavourable comparison, as he really is a great actor with a fantastic range.
I find the criticisms of Lady M. somewhat peculiar - is it really so wrong for a mother to want to prevent her son from becoming a confirmed drunkard?
These days Sebastian would have been taught coping skills every time he sees his mother or family. He portrayed this character exceptionally well with all the inner complexity and dysfunctional family dynamics. Lady Marchmain tried her best to be a single mother is this aristocratic family where they were expected to behave in a very particular way, maintaining their dignity, pride at the same time Catholics. It’s very complex dynamics and very well played by all. Love Cordelia.
@thethomasian17 i love cordelia, she seems to be the only truly happy one
@grybnyx I hope you are well now.
Anthony Andrews can really do the wounded stag or 'butterfly crushed under a wheel' role really well. His portrayal of Sebasitan is pretty faultless in terms of being true to the book, his only disadvantage is that he physically doesn't resemble the Sebasitan of the book and the whole similarity of Sebasitan to Julia is actually quite important in the book but doesn't come across here as effectively because Andrews and Diana Quick don't really resemble each other at all. Still...minor gripe
@grybnyx that is such a shame. can't believe they would call you sebastien though. that is just too sad to make light of your situation by comparing it to this movie.
My take on the story is:
Charles is an upper middle class heterosexual male who just happens to be taken with the glamour, beauty and prestige of his friend's family circumstance. As well as, yes , Sebastian's personal charm. Sebastian's homosexuality, although not discussed in the writing, ought to be the corner stone of sharp conflict between Sebastian's Catholic mother and his own inner earning for happiness.
Family pressures not withstanding, it was unrequited love for Charles that ultimately tipped off the scales and made Sebastian go off the deep end.
Well, that gave me another perspective. This is so many layered...I was really thinking it was S's awful family and their utter ignoring of his condition. Maybe it was them as well as the lack of fulfillment for him as a gay man from a man who was essentially straight though deeply, truly fond of S. in a kind of love. No wonder. Nowhere to turn for poor S. And your take indicates the relationship may never have been consummated sexually, which frustrated S.
It was consummated, Cordelia found them naked on the roof. Yes, they were supposedly sunbathing - but there’s no need to be completely naked sunbathing.
@thethomasian17 can't believe mr. samgrass showed up again and being nosy as usual. jeremy really needs to tell him off but is to nice a guy for that.
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