Same. Early 80’s and saw the series so many times I could repeat verbatim many of the scenes. Still use “contra mundum” when talking to my sister. Haven’t had a series effect me quite the same way since.
There's a video made by an American priest, a series called The Catholic Novel, in which he singles out Brideshead Revisited as - well, a Catholic novel. As it truly is. The author would have to understand the pull of devout Catholicism to write such a story. Faith and lack of it are central to the plot. Of course, we are all enamoured of the film and its glorious twosome stars - but if you read the novel, you will see the backbone is the Catholicism of the characters.
@@jujubegold Oh yes. Felt so profoundly and carried in my heart since it was first shown. The dialogue is superb and so poetic. I know most of it by heart. It was a masterpiece not to be repeated in 'this ghastly age'.
Oh gawd! I tried to follow these flimsy upper crust toffs and their maudlin miniseries miseries into the mist but they lost me in the mire. I couldn't care after a while, they all seemed to create the tragedies they suffered all on their own.
@@blackbird5634 What you're seeing is the greatest system of human management ever, i.e., the British aristocracy -- however, in its fairly effete final stages. Monarchism failed the challenges of the mercantile era, then really blew it during the industrial revolution. This is like seeing a Rolling Stones concert today with nearly 80-y.o. geezers trying to ape their glory days. And so what do we in the audience do with it? That's what EW wanted to ask us.
I remember watching it in the 80’s. I was in college myself & really related to their Oxford years. I loved the whole series. I rewatched it when I was a father, and was horrified at the way Charles ignored his children. I guess if I watched it now, I’d focus on the parts with Lord Marchmain and Edward Ryder.
The book and film strengthened my Catholic faith in ways I could have never imagined. I found myself moved by things so simple and innocent, and words so profound as to defy speech. Only the "mind Catholic" can understand. One can not simply be good. He has to be holy as well.
@@stephenconlon653 It certainly exposes the mind-crippling effect of this highly-invasive religion, although whether Waugh intended it that way is unlikely. He was, himself, a victim of its insidious, relentless creeping.
Charles's comment as narrator in the novel for this scene, "[t]here was no past tense in Cordelia's conjugation of the verb 'to love'" has always struck me as a very interesting point.
I’ve read the book and seen the miniseries and it’s very hard to say which is better. Usually a TV or movie adaptation leaves out some things or fails to get the spirit of the book right. This is that rare instance of a TV adaptation that is just perfect. Years ago for Christmas one coworker gave me some delicious ravioli, while another gave me some wonderful Italian Zinfandel wine and yet a third gave me some chocolates. In the dead of winter I came home and enjoyed all three while watching this miniseries on a DVD set. It was heaven.
Fifty or sixty years ago, I read the book. I thought it was a wonderful book. But I have to say, having just watched the whole series, that it was/ is much better and more complete, as well as being well set in Castle Howard. Of course, the whole style was of a world long gone, not at all egalitarian, unequal in the extreme, but such excesses of wealth allowed great cultural investments, buildings, chapel in this case, paintings and sculptures. I've seen much criticism of poor Ryder, brilliantly acted, but he matured in a different way to the Flytes. Incredible story, wonderful actors and a lovely setting. It's little surprise, seeing the excesses of the well-to-do, that a Labour government was elected after the war.
I should add that,having left the UK over forty years ago, I missed the screening of this miniseries. Otherwise I might have written this a long time ago.
I loved it as a child when I didn't understand it. I loved it more as an adult, and remember my feelings as a child watching it, and I learned a lot about myself in that
This series was so beautifully written, and performed, I feel pain listening to the music, as I feel I lived this. I know I'm not alone, as this is what truly well-done performances (be it a book, a film) does to those who've imbued it. It's 'funny' - to feel this loss. But, I truly feel it.
Eileen Jack isn’t this one of the few film production that follow the book remarkably well? This and “Tales of the City” by Armistead Maupin, in the production with Olympia Dukakis as Anna Madrigal...a woman playing a man who has become a woman!
I believe Mortimer’s script-for which he was paid-was not the shooting script. Director Charles Sturidge along with the producers were not content with Mortimer’s product and so rewrote much it. I don’t know whether the scene here was rewritten or not, however.
Hate the sin for draining the dignity & spirit gifted to man yet never hate the sinner when you are without compassion for those you find disgusting and if you are without sin free of addictive behaviours then be thankful forsake the reward of judging the sinful simply be grateful for the peace of your own mind
I can imagine, Ian. A real school can augment the parental home life and build a bond that lasts a lifetime. I see it myself. Often such people are wonderfully social and fun to be around yet otherwise frivolous and squandering, making for poor partners.
Sebastian contra mundum.....no more. Sebastian succumbed Tunisia under the midday sun. Sebastian no more. Requiescet in Pace, Sebastian Flyte..Esq...burial location unknown 🌻🎭🌻
Why we don't see more about Sebastian? Everyone abandons him . And he seems to have an interesting life. They made us fall in love with him and he is sick and needs help we stop to see him at all. I don't understand this frienship that the ahow is supposed to be about.
im a bit confused...she says..no one is wholly without suffering...and then he picks up on the word wholly/holy which if he picked up on holy, then it wasnt what she said...if he meant wholly, why pick up on it anyway, what was he trying to say..? dosent make sense to me.
The tragedy of the scene is not the coming demise of Sebastian. It's the life never lived by Cordelia. Here is a grown woman completely aware of the world but chooses not to be a part of it. Never to feel the delight of love, Never to feel the touch of a Lover, never to hold her own Child. Sebastian will come to a sad end, but Cordelia is already dead.
Meno Passini Cordelia is the only character in Brideshead who I would honestly say is truly happy, because she chose her circumstance in a way none of the others were able to. She is the most love-filled character in the whole story. She will never be lonely, never be afraid, never despair.
People who hold that view will never understand artists or those with religious vocations. Choosing to live a life of the mind and spirit is no escape from the realities of life or its joys and tragedies--just like marriage or parenthood. A life centered on art or thinking or serving God or all three is just as full, the only difference is fewer people choose that route and the majority rarely understand them.
As no novel is perfect, EW did cross things up here with Lady Cordelia. He describes her right before this scene as all but pathetic -- plain, doomed to a spinster's life. But then her words are quite high and noble. She's a noblewoman . . . and we don't really need to worry whether she's plain or finds a man, etc., etc.
We all wore hats in the early 1940s, my favourite was a brown Fedora although I used to wear a Panama during those long, lazy summers, and a straw boater when I was punting on the river. Some of us also carried bone-handled canes. But times have changed since the days of Brideshead Revisited and the only hats you'll see now (apart from bobbies' helmets) are back-to-front baseball caps worn in a futile attempt to restrict the flow of brain cells from the head to the cock.
She's not saying Sebastian is a saint in the sense of a person who does good acts. But God loves all the dispossessed. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is in the kingdom of heaven."
This series left an indelible print on me. The acting, the costumes, the sheer madness of it all. Perfect.
Same. Early 80’s and saw the series so many times I could repeat verbatim many of the scenes. Still use “contra mundum” when talking to my sister. Haven’t had a series effect me quite the same way since.
There's a video made by an American priest, a series called The Catholic Novel, in which he singles out Brideshead Revisited as - well, a Catholic novel. As it truly is. The author would have to understand the pull of devout Catholicism to write such a story. Faith and lack of it are central to the plot. Of course, we are all enamoured of the film and its glorious twosome stars - but if you read the novel, you will see the backbone is the Catholicism of the characters.
Same here. Came across it by chance on PBS as a 12 or 13 year old. I have no doubt it influenced who I am today.
@@jujubegold Oh yes. Felt so profoundly and carried in my heart since it was first shown. The dialogue is superb and so poetic. I know most of it by heart. It was a masterpiece not to be repeated in 'this ghastly age'.
On many
Truly the finest mini-series ever made. The most tragical tragedy ever tragedized by a group of tragedians.
Well said!
Oh gawd! I tried to follow these flimsy upper crust toffs and their maudlin miniseries miseries into the mist but they lost me in the mire. I couldn't care after a while, they all seemed to create the tragedies they suffered all on their own.
@@blackbird5634 What you're seeing is the greatest system of human management ever, i.e., the British aristocracy -- however, in its fairly effete final stages. Monarchism failed the challenges of the mercantile era, then really blew it during the industrial revolution. This is like seeing a Rolling Stones concert today with nearly 80-y.o. geezers trying to ape their glory days. And so what do we in the audience do with it? That's what EW wanted to ask us.
I remember watching it in the 80’s. I was in college myself & really related to their Oxford years. I loved the whole series. I rewatched it when I was a father, and was horrified at the way Charles ignored his children. I guess if I watched it now, I’d focus on the parts with Lord Marchmain and Edward Ryder.
The book and film strengthened my Catholic faith in ways I could have never imagined. I found myself moved by things so simple and innocent, and words so profound as to defy speech. Only the "mind Catholic" can understand. One can not simply be good. He has to be holy as well.
Please pray for me. A Latin Mass Catholic of 34 but so lost in the world.
What bunkum!
@@wiseonwords Yet so many people are hung up on it.
Interesting, it’s an anti Catholic novel
@@stephenconlon653 It certainly exposes the mind-crippling effect of this highly-invasive religion, although whether Waugh intended it that way is unlikely.
He was, himself, a victim of its insidious, relentless creeping.
I think Phoebe Nicholls is magnificent in Brideshead. She plays Cordelia beautifully.
My favorite, Cordelia!
Now her son is acting, Tom Sturridge. Pirate Radio & has a daughter with Sienna Miller
The director thought so too LOL
Charles's comment as narrator in the novel for this scene, "[t]here was no past tense in Cordelia's conjugation of the verb 'to love'" has always struck me as a very interesting point.
I’ve read the book and seen the miniseries and it’s very hard to say which is better. Usually a TV or movie adaptation leaves out some things or fails to get the spirit of the book right. This is that rare instance of a TV adaptation that is just perfect. Years ago for Christmas one coworker gave me some delicious ravioli, while another gave me some wonderful Italian Zinfandel wine and yet a third gave me some chocolates. In the dead of winter I came home and enjoyed all three while watching this miniseries on a DVD set. It was heaven.
Fifty or sixty years ago, I read the book. I thought it was a wonderful book. But I have to say, having just watched the whole series, that it was/ is much better and more complete, as well as being well set in Castle Howard.
Of course, the whole style was of a world long gone, not at all egalitarian, unequal in the extreme, but such excesses of wealth allowed great cultural investments, buildings, chapel in this case, paintings and sculptures.
I've seen much criticism of poor Ryder, brilliantly acted, but he matured in a different way to the Flytes. Incredible story, wonderful actors and a lovely setting. It's little surprise, seeing the excesses of the well-to-do, that a Labour government was elected after the war.
I should add that,having left the UK over forty years ago, I missed the screening of this miniseries. Otherwise I might have written this a long time ago.
I loved it as a child when I didn't understand it. I loved it more as an adult, and remember my feelings as a child watching it, and I learned a lot about myself in that
This series was so beautifully written, and performed, I feel pain listening to the music, as I feel I lived this. I know I'm not alone, as this is what truly well-done performances (be it a book, a film) does to those who've imbued it.
It's 'funny' - to feel this loss. But, I truly feel it.
You mean, who have been imbued by it, surely............
I have the book, CDs and vinyl disc!
Eileen Jack isn’t this one of the few film production that follow the book remarkably well? This and “Tales of the City” by Armistead Maupin, in the production with Olympia Dukakis as Anna Madrigal...a woman playing a man who has become a woman!
Doug R. Yes, indeed!
Everything's excellent in this 1981 series even the clothes...
During so many scenes of Brideshead Revisited I would find myself unconsciously mouthing the word, "beautiful".
I love Phoebe Nicholls 🌹as “Lady Cordelia”. She’s the reason I watched this series.
John Mortimer lifted so much of the dialogue straight from Waugh.
I believe Mortimer’s script-for which he was paid-was not the shooting script. Director Charles Sturidge along with the producers were not content with Mortimer’s product and so rewrote much it. I don’t know whether the scene here was rewritten or not, however.
The acting....perfection!
This was such a good series.
Hate the sin for draining the dignity & spirit gifted to man yet never hate the sinner when you are without compassion for those you find disgusting and if you are without sin free of addictive behaviours then be thankful forsake the reward of judging the sinful simply be grateful for the peace of your own mind
It is exactly what Cara and lady marchmain for told and feared.
!POBRE Sebastián.su hermana Cordelia es la voz de la conciencia de la familia.Ha Chales lo descolo.
Lo descolocó a Charles, Cordelia
Floreciendo Cordelia
So Sebastian is actually a very Holy person underneath? That's an interesting concept.
I can imagine, Ian. A real school can augment the parental home life and build a bond that lasts a lifetime. I see it myself. Often such people are wonderfully social and fun to be around yet otherwise frivolous and squandering, making for poor partners.
Me too. It’s my all time favourite drama. Beautiful in every way. Long live Brideshead!
Please pray for me a lost Latin Mass Catholic of decent earnings that has squandered all in the past year.
@@michaelferguson1093 I hope you are well. Ask and you shall receive. 🙏
@@ianmeredith7969 You understand nothing at all.
Más vida vital necesita esta escena
What happens to Sebastian in the end ?
We're never told certain.
El gran charles raider😊
Sebastian contra mundum.....no more. Sebastian succumbed Tunisia under the midday sun. Sebastian no more. Requiescet in Pace, Sebastian Flyte..Esq...burial location unknown 🌻🎭🌻
Wait, is Sebastian really dead? I haven't watched the full series. Can someone tell me?
No, this is Cordelia hypothesising about what will happen to him
In the beginning, the Private tells Charles there are two women & an old man living at the house. I assumed it was Sebastian
Why we don't see more about Sebastian? Everyone abandons him . And he seems to have an interesting life. They made us fall in love with him and he is sick and needs help we stop to see him at all. I don't understand this frienship that the ahow is supposed to be about.
im a bit confused...she says..no one is wholly without suffering...and then he picks up on the word wholly/holy which if he picked up on holy, then it wasnt what she said...if he meant wholly, why pick up on it anyway, what was he trying to say..? dosent make sense to me.
She says holy, that's what's in the book. She's playing off of the Catholic idea of suffering as a means of sanctification.
Hmmm.... Waugh's book and the series made me more happy to be a high Church Anglican. 🙂
If you want to learn charm watch Sebastian.
Most delicious eye candy
The tragedy of the scene is not the coming demise of Sebastian. It's the life never lived by Cordelia. Here is a grown woman completely aware of the world but chooses not to be a part of it. Never to feel the delight of love, Never to feel the touch of a Lover, never to hold her own Child. Sebastian will come to a sad end, but Cordelia is already dead.
You really think that someone with so much wisdom and compassion in her could be dead?
Meno Passini Cordelia is the only character in Brideshead who I would honestly say is truly happy, because she chose her circumstance in a way none of the others were able to. She is the most love-filled character in the whole story. She will never be lonely, never be afraid, never despair.
People who hold that view will never understand artists or those with religious vocations. Choosing to live a life of the mind and spirit is no escape from the realities of life or its joys and tragedies--just like marriage or parenthood. A life centered on art or thinking or serving God or all three is just as full, the only difference is fewer people choose that route and the majority rarely understand them.
As no novel is perfect, EW did cross things up here with Lady Cordelia. He describes her right before this scene as all but pathetic -- plain, doomed to a spinster's life. But then her words are quite high and noble. She's a noblewoman . . . and we don't really need to worry whether she's plain or finds a man, etc., etc.
I dont think you understand Cordelia at all
Eye saw a bobby in England with a bobby hat on but eye didn't see anyone else in Great Britain wearing a hat...
We all wore hats in the early 1940s, my favourite was a brown Fedora although I used to wear a Panama during those long, lazy summers, and a straw boater when I was punting on the river. Some of us also carried bone-handled canes. But times have changed since the days of Brideshead Revisited and the only hats you'll see now (apart from bobbies' helmets) are back-to-front baseball caps worn in a futile attempt to restrict the flow of brain cells from the head to the cock.
Vanitas vanitatum, et omnia vanitas.
Should of got off the sauce and the boys
Fucking spoilers! Damn you a thousend times!
No power of will....holy. .... theological paradox! ...a plastic saint!!!?
She's not saying Sebastian is a saint in the sense of a person who does good acts. But God loves all the dispossessed.
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is in the kingdom of heaven."
And they with their religion were the cause of his suffering.
You have perfected ignorance.
Utter bunk.