This is awesome. A former professional skateboarder once told me inward heelflips used to be called hardflips. It's great to see actual proof of that after all these years.
I got to meet and skate with Rodney in Raleigh back in '93 at a demo. We were skating around and I reminded him of a trick he did in the World Industries video "Rubbish Heap" from a couple years earlier. He said that he hadn't done it in a long time, but that he would try to do it. He pulled a "Caballaerial Impossible Mute grab" on the third try right in front of me...Awesome! He was a nice and personable guy. If he said someone invented a trick then he should be believed...no doubt.
Yeah a video on who may have possibly done the first late flip variation or the forward flip would be cool awesome content as always its crazy to see how many new things came out of the early 90s with the popularisation of street skating
I'm planning on doing both of them eventually. Late flips are tough because they just kind of appeared and it's hard to pinpoint who was actually first. I need to get my hands on some old magazines
Rad Rat Video not only am I subscribed, I get notifications everytime you post a video. in all honesty, I wish maybe once a week you would do a 12 to 15 minute editorial. I enjoy the short videos and have watched most of them multiple times, but maybe you could discuss a subject like wasted Talent, like the story of Brandon Novak , who was just as good , if not better than bam when he was 17. he was on a pro team and all. people seem to think he's just bams junkie friend, but he used to be a pretty good skater. or any subject, I just enjoy the documentary aspect of skating lol.
Hey RR! I love your production dude, keep it up! I think it would be an interesting topic to talk about how street league skateboarding or contest skateboarding is affecting modern day skateboarding, and the influence it has on skateboarding in general. And how it may affect new beginners or people that don't know much about the history of skating. Is it damaging the image of skateboarding? I really enjoy your analysis on your videos, they're great! Thanks
+circacheese Good question! Suskis make sense because it's named after a dude who only did them one way. Not sure about overcrooks though. I'll look into it and see if I come up with anything
At :36 in this clip, you'll see freestyle skater Hans Lingren do a nollie grab halfflip thing. OK, both feet side by side on the nose. I was a BMX freestyler (and Vision video camareman) that hung out at the Huntington Beach pier with Pierre Andre', Don Brown, Hans Lingren, Jeremy Ramey, and others from 1987-1991 or so. I also did a bit of freestyle skating, just for fun. Pierre gav me one of his old boards one day. Anyhow, I tried to learn this nollie grab thing that Hans did, but the board would naturally half flip, and I couldn't get the grab. So I learned to do this trick of Hans' without the grab. Foot stance aside, is that a nollie hardflip? I learned in in 1988 or 1989. No photos, no video, can't prove anything. Don or Pierre can tell you I used to skate a bit. I actually wrote a joke blog post once saying "I invented the nollie hardflip." Honestly, I don't think I did. But I did this trick you see Hans doing a :36 with no grab back then.
That video of rob Carlyon was at this park in Hawaii I was randomly just at about an hour ago lol I never thought I'd see aala park on one of ur videos
Rad Rat Video yeah My island only has a few parks and they just fix em up when they're messed up lol in the Hawaii level of tony hawk is it underground? All the skateparks actually exist lol the one under the freeway too
Before kickflip indy's were done, finger flip indy's were a thing, who do you think landed the first kickflip indy or any flip trick grab, the earliest one I recall is Bucky Lasek doing a kickflip indy in Ban This when he's usually known for heelflip and nollie kickflip indy's
Not sure if this Chapter 7 video came out before Love Child (both were 92), but Kanten Russell does both a hardflip and a double hardflip in it: ruclips.net/video/zBBl_8rGqbo/видео.html
Which tre flip is more efficient (easier to do on anything & more consistent) flat or vertical tre flips. Should we learn to do it that way instead of the other way?
Shawn Mandoli possibly did it way before in a Venture video, Mandoli is clearly younger then he was in the real video and the real video was a couple years later, the fotage is on youtube. Mandoli also hardflips in the real video but that was prob filmed in 92 but you can see Mandoli is younger in the Venture fotage then the real video fotage. Maybe you can look into it further, i recognise the Venture fotage and remember seeing it in some video back then. i was like 14 and now im 41 lol
Great video. I think it may even get some of the uninformed kids out there thinking about the thought process behind how a lot of tricks where brought to life. I still say things like, "varial-flip the hard way" just to get the conversation started.
Good video as always and I had always thought the same thing but in Mike Carroll's Weekend Buzz(episode 1) he claims that his brother did one in 1987! ruclips.net/video/HPdpcfcc6Lw/видео.html Time stamp: 3:38 in that link. I definitely have to question this but as it's Mike I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I remember my friend was doing them in 92/93 and we used to call them frontside flips "without turning your body". I feel THPS legitimised the hardflip name.
if you want the most unkown person ever that is also doing some of the most insane tricks ever that i've never seen anywhere else look up Olli Fevang here on youtube. It blows my mind that this kid is doing tricks that he is probably the only person to ever do them and constantly landing insane shit and yet he's basically a completely unkown kid with barely any youtube views.. Olli Fevang
As far as im concerned its who ever filmed it first cause its proof. Just like Guy Mariano and Jed Walters for the battle of tbe first switch 360 flip down stairs. Jed filmed his first but video days came out before the world video so the honor goes to Guy.
This is awesome. A former professional skateboarder once told me inward heelflips used to be called hardflips. It's great to see actual proof of that after all these years.
It's weird, right? I don't think that name lasted very long though
I always wondered why nobody ever called them outward kickflips.
I got to meet and skate with Rodney in Raleigh back in '93 at a demo. We were skating around and I reminded him of a trick he did in the World Industries video "Rubbish Heap" from a couple years earlier. He said that he hadn't done it in a long time, but that he would try to do it. He pulled a "Caballaerial Impossible Mute grab" on the third try right in front of me...Awesome! He was a nice and personable guy. If he said someone invented a trick then he should be believed...no doubt.
Yeah a video on who may have possibly done the first late flip variation or the forward flip would be cool awesome content as always its crazy to see how many new things came out of the early 90s with the popularisation of street skating
I'm planning on doing both of them eventually. Late flips are tough because they just kind of appeared and it's hard to pinpoint who was actually first. I need to get my hands on some old magazines
Good content! You provide good information, you definitely deserve more views.
"even the name of the trick is a hard flip, its hard to do" my pal used to say
you still gonna do a video on bam and his popularity?
Yep, just filmed a new batch of questions yesterday. Two of them are from you! Look for them soon - I still have to edit and stuff
Rad Rat Video not only am I subscribed, I get notifications everytime you post a video. in all honesty, I wish maybe once a week you would do a 12 to 15 minute editorial. I enjoy the short videos and have watched most of them multiple times, but maybe you could discuss a subject like wasted Talent, like the story of Brandon Novak , who was just as good , if not better than bam when he was 17. he was on a pro team and all. people seem to think he's just bams junkie friend, but he used to be a pretty good skater. or any subject, I just enjoy the documentary aspect of skating lol.
I’d believe Mullen! He invented so many but is the first to admit that some other guy showed him this trick, I don’t see why he would lie about that.
Awesome video ! Keep up the good stuff :D
Thank you! Will do
Hey RR! I love your production dude, keep it up! I think it would be an interesting topic to talk about how street league skateboarding or contest skateboarding is affecting modern day skateboarding, and the influence it has on skateboarding in general. And how it may affect new beginners or people that don't know much about the history of skating. Is it damaging the image of skateboarding? I really enjoy your analysis on your videos, they're great! Thanks
+Josh Spencer thanks for the question! I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up with anything
Suski grinds and overcrooks, How they are only backside.
Grinds with rotations in them.
I think lots of people are confused by that kind of stuff.
+circacheese Good question! Suskis make sense because it's named after a dude who only did them one way. Not sure about overcrooks though. I'll look into it and see if I come up with anything
Not skate related, but where can I find a hokusai's great wave poster like yours????
At :36 in this clip, you'll see freestyle skater Hans Lingren do a nollie grab halfflip thing. OK, both feet side by side on the nose. I was a BMX freestyler (and Vision video camareman) that hung out at the Huntington Beach pier with Pierre Andre', Don Brown, Hans Lingren, Jeremy Ramey, and others from 1987-1991 or so. I also did a bit of freestyle skating, just for fun. Pierre gav me one of his old boards one day. Anyhow, I tried to learn this nollie grab thing that Hans did, but the board would naturally half flip, and I couldn't get the grab. So I learned to do this trick of Hans' without the grab. Foot stance aside, is that a nollie hardflip? I learned in in 1988 or 1989. No photos, no video, can't prove anything. Don or Pierre can tell you I used to skate a bit. I actually wrote a joke blog post once saying "I invented the nollie hardflip." Honestly, I don't think I did. But I did this trick you see Hans doing a :36 with no grab back then.
I've been skateboarding for like 20 years and I still have a hard time conceptualizing hard flips in my mind
thoughts on the plasma flip
I like it. I made a trick tip for it on my channel
Cool video RR
what is your favorite skate trick?
Oi! That's my profile pic!
I like lasers though
Stay tuned, just recorded a video on that. Look for it in the next week or so
Love the vids man keep it up
Thanks! Will do
That video of rob Carlyon was at this park in Hawaii I was randomly just at about an hour ago lol I never thought I'd see aala park on one of ur videos
Wow, that's really cool! Must be an old park
Rad Rat Video yeah My island only has a few parks and they just fix em up when they're messed up lol in the Hawaii level of tony hawk is it underground? All the skateparks actually exist lol the one under the freeway too
I always remember that place from a chick doing a 360 flip on the front cover of an old thrasher mag. Probably around 1995.
Before kickflip indy's were done, finger flip indy's were a thing, who do you think landed the first kickflip indy or any flip trick grab, the earliest one I recall is Bucky Lasek doing a kickflip indy in Ban This when he's usually known for heelflip and nollie kickflip indy's
Alphonzo Rawls/Danny Way are credited for the kickflip indy, on vert at least.
I'm gonna go with dondiwhite1 on this one! I usually skip the vert stuff when I watch old videos, so I wouldn't know
do a vid on casper flips
Planning on it... It's a tough one to find solid info on though
Not sure if this Chapter 7 video came out before Love Child (both were 92), but Kanten Russell does both a hardflip and a double hardflip in it: ruclips.net/video/zBBl_8rGqbo/видео.html
Which tre flip is more efficient (easier to do on anything & more consistent) flat or vertical tre flips. Should we learn to do it that way instead of the other way?
LoL the way he named "hardflip" LOL
Dan Gallagher was sick!!! He did a ton of great stuff that nobody was doing. Dan was on flow for world for a short time
Shawn Mandoli possibly did it way before in a Venture video, Mandoli is clearly younger then he was in the real video and the real video was a couple years later, the fotage is on youtube. Mandoli also hardflips in the real video but that was prob filmed in 92 but you can see Mandoli is younger in the Venture fotage then the real video fotage. Maybe you can look into it further, i recognise the Venture fotage and remember seeing it in some video back then. i was like 14 and now im 41 lol
Really interesting ! THX MAN
great info as always!
Great video. I think it may even get some of the uninformed kids out there thinking about the thought process behind how a lot of tricks where brought to life. I still say things like, "varial-flip the hard way" just to get the conversation started.
who invented the kick back or underflip. rodney right?
Not sure about that one... It might be too old to be documented
I hate to be that guy but at 2:00 those are nollie front 3 shuvs
I still say inside and outside for heels, just another victim of the 90s.
Good video as always and I had always thought the same thing but in Mike Carroll's Weekend Buzz(episode 1) he claims that his brother did one in 1987! ruclips.net/video/HPdpcfcc6Lw/видео.html
Time stamp: 3:38 in that link.
I definitely have to question this but as it's Mike I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I remember my friend was doing them in 92/93 and we used to call them frontside flips "without turning your body". I feel THPS legitimised the hardflip name.
Thanks for that! Someone mentioned this to me before, but I wasn't able to find a quote or video, so I wasn't able to put it in the video
if you want the most unkown person ever that is also doing some of the most insane tricks ever that i've never seen anywhere else look up Olli Fevang here on youtube. It blows my mind that this kid is doing tricks that he is probably the only person to ever do them and constantly landing insane shit and yet he's basically a completely unkown kid with barely any youtube views..
Olli Fevang
I'm going to the Philippines to find this mysterious hardflipper
how'd it go?
Wait, I don't get it.. I've heard Koston couldn't do Hardflips. Now there he is doing the first ever switch one??
He can t do them regular.
hi
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Whoops... link for last comment, ruclips.net/video/V1YVqCTs-PU/видео.html
As far as im concerned its who ever filmed it first cause its proof. Just like Guy Mariano and Jed Walters for the battle of tbe first switch 360 flip down stairs. Jed filmed his first but video days came out before the world video so the honor goes to Guy.