Ibanez V50MJP-NT-27-01 Guitar Fretboard Removal by Randy Schartiger NOT fingerboard ;)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Tips on removing fretboard (or fingerboard as some folks call it) and a look at profiling the new fretboard and the return of EARL! =D
Randy, I know when you repair guitars, there is no job too big or small, but this one is a mother!. You my friend have big ones! Thankz
A mother indeed! lol This is a one of a kind fix, don't get many jobs like this one. Thanks for checking it out mate! Cheers!
Merry Christmas Randy..peace and light. Good video
You could measure to the center of the old fret board both ends . The bridge or hi end is wider than the nut end right. Measure same distance of the wide end Mark both ends of the new one and center your marks. Problem solved.
That's how I do it. Good job. Curious why you didn't just get an ebony fretboard? Cost?
I'm not sure, the owner ordered this board and had it sent to me, maybe was the only one he could find at the time that was long enough to extend past the edge of the sound hole the way he wants. Not really sure. Thanks for watching Jerry!
Interesting. Thanks Randy. I’m curious, how is that neck attached? Doesn’t look like a dovetail. Bolt-on?
Very interesting as always, Randy! I wait for the next step :-)
Have a great Sunday,
Cristina
Thanks Cristina I really appreciate it! Hope you're having a most beautiful Sunday as well! :)
I have a D35 that I have had for years. Big Tony Rice fan so I have enlarged the sound hole, changed tuners, removed the headstock decal and changed pickguard. So needless to say am in love with this one, it is very special. Sooo I would like the fretboard longer, would you recommend replacing the whole fretboard or removing fretboard and adding an extension of fretboard at one of the shoulder frets and staining it so it comes past the sound hole for that Rice affect.
Great guitar fretboard removal video, Randy & Earl :-) :-) Wishing you both a wonderful day......☼ Jenny ☼
Thank you Jenny! Earl says hey! lol Gotta keep an eye on that dude! :P Wishing you a wonderful Sunday my dear friend!
Man, Earl should catch a beatin' for that behavior. :} Great stuff as always Randy. Take care
lol he probably would enjoy a good beatin'! LOL! Thanks for viewing mate!
Looks like he's gotten a few already. :}
lol for sure!
With the late huge production of cheap guitars with substandard fresh wood these things have become even more essential in keeping a neck straight. In mass production it is always cheaper to make a single product χ3 than two different ones as a cheaper and not so cheap in volumes of x2+x1.
Auto production was mostly responsible and the most evil of those bean counting findings. Once power windows was the "accessory" most wanted all cars came out of production designed and wired for PW. Then it was easy to add switches and a motor. Even cars with manual windows in the 80s had PW wiring and mounts on them. In some cases it became more expensive to order a car in Canada and Alaska without A/C or without a stereo.
So I wouldn't be surprised if it has become more expensive to buy a smaller single action
truss rod than the mass produced double-action. Martin and Taylor probably still have a couple of trailers of their custom designed single action truss-rods. Would you add an upgraded part on 1940s Martin? If it hasn't warped by now chances are it is never going to. The thing is almost petrified, that's why it sounds like nothing else on the planet.
It is like tired old men, once they seat on the couch no screaming and complaining is going to make them move.
The warden :) You know there is a syndrome in psychology called Warden Inmate Frustration Eruption Syndrome, or WIFE Syndrome for short.
hahaha WIFE! LOL! I didn't know that until now! Agreed on what you say, once mass production is set and under way it would/could be more expensive to change than to just leave alone and run production. Thanks for viewing!
Great Job
Earl is a hoot! You have fun doing these don't you. I have a cheap twelve string and I'll try to get the fret board off as it needs it. And now I know how! Thanks!
Yes yes I do! :) Good luck getting your fretboard off and happy repairs! Thanks for tuning in Dean! :)
Another educational video Randy my friend... David from Delaware
Boy, Randy do you have patience...
lol thanks man! It takes a lot of patients sometimes, this video is probably a tenth of the actual time it took because I had to keep stopping to cool off, even with AC on! :)
+LifeDigitized I'll tell you Randy after seeing all your video's and the work you put into your repairs, I have to say your worth every penny and them some for the hard work and time you put into your repairs...
Many thanks for that David! I do my best with the limits I have and try to stick very close to what the customer wants, sometimes that's impossible but it's fun trying! :)
Can Earl not aural oil or oral do a whole video 😬 respect for what you tackle Randy, big jobs like this, look forward to seeing it take shape, binding n all. Cheers ears.🍺
Earl, Oral, Oil probably would love that! lol I definitely would have to change my ratings tho haha! Thanks for tuning in brother! Hard to tell what jobs will come down the road here! :)
Randy all you have to do is eyeball the fret slots up with the frets on the original board and move it to one side or the other just use a pencil to mark it square.
You could also slant the nut to compensate !
it looks like a brutal process but you made it look easy Randy,can't understand why the owner wants another black fret board put on?.
Thank you Robert! Only reason we're changing the fretboard is the owner wants it to extend beyond the edge of the sound hole and have no inlays or fret markers the way Tony Rice's Santa Cruz is.
Good work Randy, My Fender CD 60 has a 2 way rod in it. I put one of those bridge doctors in a guitar I am working on and it is hot in my shop I was socking wet by the time I got it in. I don't think I like those that much. 🎸🎸🎸👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼😊
It's hot here too even with AC n if you get to working you start sweating, I miss Fall! lol Yeah I've installed a bunch of those bridge docs and I don't like them much either, some guitars it kills the sound and others maybe helps them a bit. they are ok if the guitar has a belly and bridge pulling up at the rear but thats about all. Thanks for stopping in Steve, good luck with your repairs, try to keep cool!
Good stuff brother! Is that the natural grain on that zebra wood or do they stain it? I really dig the look of it. Good work as always! Rock on!
It's natural grain right now, it'll be interesting to see after the first coat of stain how it looks. Thanks for checking it out brother, cheers! :)
Very informative as always Randy. One question though, what's the reason/benefit of having the fretboard hang past the sound hole further?
No benefit really, the owner just wants the guitars appearance to resemble Tony Rice's Santa Cruz as much as possible. Thank for having a look!
Good old Earl... btw, why someone would want to use that wood as a fretboard and stain it black as Ebony,,, Don't need to answer my friend, is just a rhetoric question....Great one, Randy!
I think is was the only fretboard he could find at the time that was long enough to extend the edge of the sound hole the way he wants. Thanks for having a look my friend! :)
hi randy.that came of nice and clean .couldn't the customer a buy ebony feet boards to save you stainin the one he sent you if your not going to see the grain?. rob
Yes but I think this board was the only one he could find that was long enough to overhang the sound hole like he wants, maybe it was the only one he could find at the time. Thanks Rob!
Randy - also - why does the owner want to replace the board if the new one is going to look exactly like the old one? I thought the oddball flatsawn grain and brown color was the point? Guess not huh?
Because the new fretboard extends farther past the edge of the sound hole than the old one, the owner wants it to fo one fret farther than the edge of the hole. Thanks for having a look! :)
+Randy Schartiger the owner is pouring a lot of dough into a what.... $350-500ish guitar at most? Must be sentimental for him for some reason.
Nice job getting that board off. Many lower cost guitars now come with two way truss rods which is a good thing.
I was shocked to see such a high quality truss rod in this guitar, that Guild F50 I recently worked on is waay more expensive guitar and it had a crappy truss and design. Thanks for watching brother!
Hi Mr Randy, enjoyed the video! Tell Earl to behave himself...I like the zebra wood, too bad it will be dyed black. Maybe most of the crack will sand down while sanding a radius on the top? I'll bet the sound of that guitar will improve once the new fretboard is glued down correctly. Will you save that old fretboard? It may come in handy some day for a different repair job....keep cool....you really are a great guitar tech & teacher! Hooold Ooon!
That's what I was think too, when I sand radius into the neck I think it will get rid of the crack. Hate to see that beautiful wood grain go away but what ever the customer wants, I would paint it purple if he said to haha! Yes if the owner doesn't want the old one I'll keep it around, may even come in handy sometime or someone may need one sometime down the road. I think this guitar will sound 10x better with heavier strings, it will be interesting to see once the new board is installed. Thanks for tuning in Suzanna! Hold on! :)
Great video! My first guitar was an Epiphone DR100 that I bought as a demo for $69. That also had a 2-way truss rod! You better keep your distance from Earl, he seems a little aggressive to me! Catch ya' next time.
Very cool they must be putting 2 way truss rods in most lower end guitars now, something I think all high end guitar builders should do. Yeah man I'm afraid to turn my back on ole Earl, literally! lol Thanks for viewing mate! :)
Maybe one of those hot wires people use for cutting polystyrene?
Would it be possible to turn the new board over so the crack is down so the glue will fill the crack???, I know it would mean remarking the fret positions but may be worth the time.
Probably is possible but as tiny as the crack is I believe when I sand radius into the board it will completely remove the crack. We will know for sure very soon! :) Thanks for viewing Peter!
my guitar truss rod stucked at concave position the screw is jammed allen wrench is slipped while rotating
what should I do
it seems like a crime to ebony stain that fret-board it looks so gorgeous as it is! ah well we'll just blame it on earl :)
lmao it's Earls fault! Yeah that is some beautiful wood grain, I'm going to ask the owner if he wants any of it visible at all or just completely black. Thanks for viewing!
LOL! I just now said the same thing before seeing your comment. That's such pretty wood, isn't it?~G~ ♪
hey Randy could you recommend a good wax for my guitar metal polish for the wax I don't like watches too much
Thanks Randy. Been waiting for this video, very revealing. That Earl speaks with a forked tongue, better keep an eye on that one........;) How did ya do with all the rain the other day? Hope all went well.
lol he does have a forked tongue and is very quick with it lol We had several hard downpours but it didn't flood anywhere here close, I heard a couple of counties away from here got flooded again but nothing like that bif flood we had last month. Thanks for viewing Mike always appreciated!
I don't know, seems like we get the tough times tossed at us to learn something from but at times, it just comes right down to faith and keeping that going. That in and of itself is a lesson I suppose. I sure appreciate you and what you do Randy. Keep up the good works.
Watching you with that painters palette knife at the beginning...man! You have better nerves than Dick Tracy! I'd be so scared to try & slide that under...lol! That fretboard sure wasn't ready to fall off tho', was it? LOL!
From a female perspective, I sure hate to see that woodgrain disappear but I guess there hasn't ever been a fretboard with woodgrain on it so it might look a little bit dor...er, I mean silly! =]
Terrific video, Randy...
Tell Earl to go to bed now! =D
~G~ ♪
The very first entering of the knife is always the most dangerous and when I am most careful, once you get it started it's a little easier on the nerves. And yes! No more glue than was holding it you'd think it would have came off easier, that was some good glue they used and definitely not Hyde glue. Thanks for viewing Ginger! Always appreciated! :) PS: Earl would like that LOL!
Randy Schartiger I was trying to find out what the most expensive Ibanez guitar is...boy, do they fluctuate. The electrics seem to be more expensive than the acoustics & they have a nice Stevie Vai electric...thank goodness I don't play electric! =D
Earl needs a bed of his own. In a room of his own...in a house of his own!
Deep in the woods! O.O
TTYS =}
~G~ ♪
No need to center the board. If it avoids the crack just align both sides of the pre-frets then slide left or right with frets aligned to avoid the crack. Also the old board had plenty of glue - two half inch strips of glue is more than you'd have if you were edge gluing boards for a tabletop or a carved archtop etc. Really Zero need to slather the whole fingerboard w Titebond and think about it - having the center unglued may be a way they've found minimizes cracking by letting it move a little. Or maybe they do it for ease of repair. (Or maybe it's just cost savings. But then why spend an extra $2 on a two-way?)
What you're saying about lining up the frets would work, but the crack is so tiny I'm sure it will disappear when I sand radius into the board. As for gluing fretboards on, from my experience cheaper guitars usually are all glued just the way this one was, Higher end guitars all are covered completely with glue and some type of skunk strip even if just tape over the truss to keep glue from hitting it.
+Randy Schartiger hey man just do what every other Luthier on the planet does with cracks - fill em w thin CY and keep on trucking. They stay stable and look good until the check clears :-)
thanks brother
Cheers!
You have done a great job on that guitar. By the time you are done. It will be a beauty for sure. Tell Earl to have a drank and go lay down. lol
Thank you Thomas! I just hope the guitar performs and sounds good after all the mods and I believe it will when I string her up with heavier strings. Earl probably would love a drink and laying down lol
Hay randy you sure got some good info great stuff man
Thank you Chris for having a look! I hope you like it and stick around! :)
All right. Its been 2 days since your last video. :)
Alright alright I'm on it lol :)
Why would you get a highly figured board like that and then paint it black? What kind of wood is that fingerboard, Randy?
It's African Zebrawood. I guess it was all the owner could find at the time that was long enough to reach past the edge of the sound hole like the owner wants. Thanks for watching!
I thought it was zebrawood. I like it and don't worry, I'll keep watching, Randy.
sure will
You mentioned entry level guitar? I am a bit of an amateur guitarist but I never knew there was an entry level guitar? Can you please explain the difference?
Entry level guitars usually are priced very low, some of them such as this one in this series are pretty well built and perform well for the money, but they are designed to learn on for beginners, usually after someone starts learning to play well they move up to a higher end guitar with better sound and truer intonation, and of course lots more money. But these are great guitars to start out on and quite affordable.
What is a two way adjusting rod?
sorry I was using speak to text could you recommend a good wax I don't care too much for polishes
johnson's wood wax IMO is best, it cleans and shines but it also seals any cracks or dents in the finish until it wears off, very good stuff!
lmao! oh Earl!.....that was hilarious!.....in almost a disturbing kinda way!! still....lmao!! I thought of the same thing about the fret board to save as much as possible but that makes sense. I'd still save every little scrap! That'd sure look cool if it was just finished and not dyed dark!....thus the saga continues! until the next video, see ya! ;-)
LOL! I'm gonna have to stop inviting Earl into my videos he has a one track mind lol I am going to save every bit I can from the fretboard, who knows I may need African Zebrawood dust down the road sometime. Thanks for tuning in and don't let Earl sneak up behind you! :)
A lot of work,Doctor Ran
Yes! A bunch of work and time!
what do you do with the old fret board.
Probably just keep it around for possible future jobs if ever needed if the owner doesn't want it.
Very up lifting mr randys ..pun intended ..😁😎pip pips and carryon squadron leader
Well made videos. I-banez (Indiana sound not Idaho). My middle name's pedantic:)
Schart-iger I guess? but how about Schar-tiger?
Yep Schar-ti-ger, you came closer than most! :) Thanks for checking out my videos!
Ha brother, my grandmother gave me her 1944, guitar, she has owned it for 72 years. its a Harmony. It has several issues. I'm not grate at reiterations however, I;m going to try. I don't want to be a bother to you but I need some help on how to take on this guitars issues.Let me know if your okay with a few question. If so I'll ask thank you for you time ether way.
Very cool she would give you a guitar that old, definitely is a keeper. I will help you all I can, sometimes I get more comments, messages and emails than I can keep up with but will try to help.
Well I'll get some clamps and glue. lol.
I'm with Ed that wood is crazy try to talk him out of staining it
I agree! I would almost buy an ebony board myself for this guitar to save this beautiful board for something else but we're too far into it now to turn back or change. Cheers!
Why get a figured board and stain it black? Seems kind of pointless.
I'd guess it was the only one the owner could find at the time that was long enough, he ordered it and had it sent to me so that's what I'll use. Thanks for tuning in Stephen!
Maybe he got it cheap? Still seems a shame to hide that grain.
Stephen Gent
Could be he got a good deal I don't know. The main thing he wanted tho was long enough to extend past the edge of the sound hole. I hate covering up that beautiful grain too.
inanez is a good signature. thats wat i use.
Just a reminder you need to Earl that stool
Yes! lol I'm going to oral it soon lol
Q Ball attack attack that Dirty Old Earl !
Why the H did he want the F/board to over hang into the sound hole space.....all that work for what ??
Because Tony rice..
From all the factory tours I have watched this one stood out as being slightly different. It seems as removing their fretboards might have an extra complexity. ruclips.net/video/UVVTSuC-01k/видео.htmlm3s
The whole video is worth watching but this part pertains to fretboard locating pins
I worked on a guitar just a few months ago (can't remember if I videoed it or not) and it had locating pins in the fretboard, it was harder to get off from the neck but sure was nice to have when putting the board back on.
Since they use all this cnc manufacturing I think it is a very good idea. If the fretboard doesn't get unglued from too much flex or by getting dried up, it probably makes it work more like a single piece of wood.
But it is good for us novices to know such things before shoving some knife in there and cutting those pins off :)
Short of like you hitting up against that truss-rod piece protruding out.
I can't believe I just deleted a huge comment... I want to kill myself! Well, anyway... with all that work I guess you'll have to add a cut away to the body to access that last fret! Nice fret board material man... I vote leave it and don't stain it! It Gives me a RUSH! hahaha!
INDEED
I've did that before, have a paragraph typed then hit wrong key and wipe it all out lol Hey that's a good idea on the cutaway! My vote is not staining the board too I had thought of ordering an ebony board for this project and just keeping the Zebrawood board for later down the road, this would warrant another rush when I whipped it out again lol Cheers Ed!