we are group of volunteers helping rural areas of the Philippines. if we did the civil work according to your design and specification, how much would it cost for a set of 50k wph? it looks as though we can also do parallel set up to expand. love your ideas. concrete civil work might need special reinforcement to last long
Its a great and wonderful idea for a clean and environment friendly energy solutions. My heart felt congratulation to the Turbulent Hydro development team. In my country specially the Northern area of Pakistan and Kashmir has a great potential for such like projects with thousands of opportunities. Keep it up and truly hope that it gets going.
Estamos tratando de instalar muchas turbinas y ayudar a las zonas rurales. Si conoce un canal o río con una pequeña diferencia de altura, no dude en contactarnos a través de nuestro sitio web o FB.
What does the 5kh equate to a two bedroom home? 1500Kwh are used per month on average in a two bed home so what does the 5kh mean? That every 1200 kilowatts are produced by this generator every day?
Great work! I'm wondering, is there a solution for this to be implemented in close loop, where output/discharge gets circulated as input/feed & still maintain same same output energy?
The design of it is basically a turbo for the river! Same thing as the hot side of a turbo charger on a car but water instead of exhaust gases pushing the turbine. The exit of water you have coming out of that looks like it has been speed up or
highkicker11 idk if you saw it or not but when I was typing this post I hit the send arrow by mistake. the other half of what I was trying to say is the next spot down. The first part is just sort of cut off and doesn't make much sense by itself. Lol let me know what u think of part two though!
One thought to save marketing some time and encourage interest: It would be very helpful to have instructions on how to at least roughly measure stream flow. E.g. "Make a 90 degree 'V'- shaped notch in a piece of wood or plywood, with marks every centimeter along each edge of the notch. If the stream flow fills the notch to at least cm, with cm drop available for the turbine outflow, our kW turbine is estimated to have enough flow for full output. This is only a rough estimate and ." And a method for a square notch. Maybe someone can post a link to this formula? Just curiosity for me, useful for others.
your set up is sooooo cool. Every municipal waste water plant by rivers should have this set up to offset the high electricity cost of running plant blowers etc. IF your looking for a mfg rep. let me know as I sell bacteria to all municipal waste water plants in the Northeast US.
Paul Jorgenson close that front gate off and winterize. This would be an amazing idea here in the us especially using public works and community volunteers to instal we could revitalize community's that have until now been only able to use fossil fuels because of the isolation which good Americans even more so than suburbia and inner cities. Cycle the saved money and or new revenue into public works projects and mainly the educational system.
Vocês precisam fazer parcerias com o nosso governo para trazer está tecnologia para o Brasil. Nosso País é imenso e necessita deste tipo de geração de energia para locais remotos.
pueden ser un fake?...intente comunicarme con esta empresa de varias maneras y nadie contesta mis mails. vivo en argentina y tengo un caso concreto de aplicacion. maybe a fake?....i tried to contact this people, but, nobody response to me. i live in argentina and want to buy this turbine.
If height difference is all we need for hydro power why don't we build a dam like every mile starting up in the mountains and take every bit of energy we can get out of it before it gets to the ocean?
thats hwy he said small dam so the lake will be small and the construct of the dam will be easy but the main advantage of big dam is the act as reservoir so you will need one big very high to make sure you have water all year long and you can build thousands small ones follow that. and we talk about 2 meter height difference so you can just enclose an area with 3 meter height this small dam will not be used to store water rather give the height difference needed it will change the river all over, but then why not practical you will build a wall next to the river, in both sides that twill follow the river , and raise in height as the river goes downhill, thus making a small lake inside the enclosed area, and then you have the 2 meter difference you close the dam, put the generator and then in the exit, 2 meter down build the new wall and repeat where to you see the flood??
PG and E of California has been doing that for over 100 years. Now? They are quitting their hydro-electric projects. Why? The demands of fish and game, water quality boards and others has made the system too costly. They do not have those issues with gas fired generation plants. So, in Butte county, Ca, PG&E is not renewing their leases for at least 4 flumes and penstocks and the diversion dams and power plants in my area.Lime Saddle, Toadtown, Forks of Butte and Centerville power houses are being sold or shut down. Even the local water companies(though they could use the flumes) are hesitant to bid on the systems for fear that they will lose them to red tape.
they have water problem in California thats the problem if you do not have water to drink you do not have water for hydro power do not confuse these 2 hydro is great you just need water, as gas is great you just need gas if for 1 reason your supply is limited then you prioritize your precious little you have
We have the most complex water system in the world. Also the biggest agricultural area production in the world.7th biggest economy in the world. The northern half of the state has the water. Look at a map showing the canal system. It will blow you away. We have plenty of water for small hydro. What? You think the water is undrinkable after it passes through hydro?
and thats why you make fool of yourself to have hydro power you need to have store water in your dams, if you lack the water to drink then you will have to empty the dams and thus no longer produce electricity to give water to people and agriculture. but you can not grasp that?? water shortage means you do not have water stored in the dams, no water int he dams means no electricity. go and check grecee hydro powered? if you check you will find a perido that had 0 production and you know why? because of problem with water shortage they drain out the dams for people to drink and keep the crops growing. electricity is good but water is more precious than electricity can you grasp the idea?? or you will stick in your stupidity you think water is not drinkable??/ and i will not comment we have the more complex water system size is not complexity because if you consider size is complexity then china with the yellow river has the more complex water system. but if you want to talk about complex water systems, why not try a city that has well water, river water, lake water, 3 different water sources providing water to the same city which means that every part of city is using a different water source. and not only different water sources but also interconnect these sources to a uniform delivery system and just to show you your stupidity what about the places they take 2 water supplies 1 to drink and the other for any other use?? thats complex not the mere size of the system, which still will not make your the more complex they are bigger rivers out there.
cual seria el costo estoy interesado y que cuento con un rio que tiene 15 metros de desnivel en mi propiedad y tiene un flujo de muchisima agua y me interesa aprovecharlo para generar electricidad ya que es una zona muy alejada de la red electrica ademas de ser ecologico
Could this be scaled down? I'm thinking a unit that could mount in line with plumbing drains in tall buildings. Or just beneath every toilet in America. Or maybe I smoked too much weed today.
Maybe you've got yourself an idea that will keep you in weed for life! That's a great idea though I might use the cleaner water from the shower and the kitchen sink.
Cual es la mayor escala en la que pueden trabajar?? Es posible desarrollar un grupo de turbinas que alcance los 120MW?? Agradezco sus amables respuestas
Great idea, now I wonder how governments everywhere will find a way to tax us for using such a cheap source of energy and maker the process un-economic.
Reza Yudhistira the history on this probably involves something like: - people damming a stream that someone else needed, giving the other people the choice of doing something about the dam or moving away, or - someone builds a dam badly; it accumulates a huge amount of water and potential energy, then fails due to heavy rains. This sends a wall of water and debris downstream that can wipe out bridges and even a town, or - Build a dam and move away. Who maintains the thing? - etc. The government will want permits and such because it's part of the job of making people who live in the same area get along well enough to not kill too many of each other.
Concentrated at least to a more powerful stream. U could compound the water and run another turbine under it and another under that one if you need more output and not make a huge footprint really due to it being stacked on top one another, each one spinning faster then the other. In theory that is. Ha! Good stuff tho I can dig it!
the problem with that idea would be that it would not be eco-friendly anymore the higher you go the more energy potential the water has the more deadly it becomes for the fishes swimming in it, this low flow design is made to make it more survivable for the fishes
I think you would need to to a series of individual turbines along a waterway, rather than stacked. It would make maintenance issues a lot less complicated and the fish would probably be fine even if they passed through several turbines on their way down the stream.
It says in the video that the place where it's installed is flat country. It's probably possible to put in the appropriate limited elevation change without too much effort.
if you can't create head (vertical drop) - your solution has to be to align the axis of the generator with the flow, so the blades would be spinning perpendicular to the water surface. different design for shroud, screening to keep fish out, tethering it to the shore and powerfeed mechanisms.
t h, i feel the need to say a couple things. this simple and inefficient design is a good choice only in the context of 'some power being better than no power'. it also does not look fish-friendly, to me. you may know, at a site having low-flow and low-head, THE most efficient type of turbine to use, is a correctly designed, poncelet-style overshot waterwheel; where the radius of the 'wheel is one half of the available head. cheers
Thanks for the comment, David. Rest assured we know about the Poncelet design and I advise you to look up the cost/kW of that design (something like double or triple our cost at $4000/kW) as well as the fish friendliness of the Poncelet waterwheel, which is limited due to its amount of shear stress points. We have designed this turbine to be fish-friendly. All fish physiology limits were taken from the fish-friendly design of the Alden turbine labs. Our pressures are 10 times lower than that design, and we reduced the amount of shear stress zones with our low speed design and bulbous leading edge of the blades. You can have a look at the "how does it work" video at www.turbulent.be/ to check how fish can pass through.
okay, forget the fish. it may be, there are valid reasons for design choices that result in a system that captures, only a fraction of the available energy. i only have the video to go by. the commentary is 'flowery' and vague. each of the various installations shown, could make fifteen to twenty percent more power, if a different turbine had been used. if the installation of a turbine better suited to the situation somehow cost more, it would 'pay for itself' more quickly. this design has only two advantages. it is simple and requires little maintenance. in a low-flow, low-head hydropower application, the only potential energy available is in the mass of the water, falling. for maximum energy conversion, the vector of the flow should be VERTICAL. for maximum energy conversion, the leverage present in a turbine having a larger radius is ESSENTIAL. a larger radius calls for a turbine with buckets, and lower rotation rate, when under load. and so on. cheers
How about you also have a look at our other videos? We started the project when we tried to refurbish the watermill of Terlanen with some kind of hydropower technology. We also got a quote for the poncelet waterwheel, but the cost was incredibly high. In a place such as Belgium, with high electricity prices, this poncelet waterwheel was paid back in +- 28 years. Don't forget that although these waterwheels can be mechanically more efficient (in the case of overshot that can go to 80% in the case of overshot and archimedes screw turbine), they're also way larger. That has 2 immediate consequences. 1. They turn really slow. So you need a huge gearbox or a PM generator with a huge amount of pole pairs. Both not cheap, and the gearbox not efficient to boot. 2. A waterwheel indeed uses the vertical vectors you mentioned, but it has a limited capacity per meter width of the wheel or per meter diameter. In the case of Poncelet 1.5m3/s would mean a 1m wide and 4.5 to 6m diameter wheel. Quite hefty, and quite heavy. So a lot of maintenance. By the way, a poncelet waterwheel is considered a kinetic impulse undershot wheel and uses the flow in the horizontal plane. It also reaches maximum efficiencies of 70%. I don't disagree that a waterwheel can be more efficient (though not the Poncelet), it's just that the mechanical transmission and the works involved for water to enter the wheels, make them often not feasible for investors looking for a good ROI. And sadly, that's still what drives every renewable energy project. Considering then that our turbine has a diameter of 1.2m, and manages to extract energy at a full system (hydraulic to electric) efficiency of 60%, I'd say we're not doing a bad job ;) The units can also be shipped inside of a box that fits every pickup truck. Transport is no problem in other words, and we can bring clean energy to even the most remote regions. So, will you give us the benefit of doubt? Have a look at our running project: ruclips.net/video/Bhyi1DjGti8/видео.html That looks more real than our first shitty animations!
as i said, some power is better than no power. yes, a waterwheel-based system is more complex and will need a bit more maintenance. note that the radius of any waterwheel is determined by the available head. if the head is one-point-two meters, then the radius of the 'wheel will be point-six meters. a breastshot 'wheel could be a bit taller. you have chosen to design, make and install this SIMPLE, and inefficient, turbine design. fine. march on. cheers
Check Hydro-Québec. Most reliable power grid in the world and highest wattage per capita. Some of the largest dams are at La Grande river, latitude over 53. La Grande 1 : 53.736074, -78.572680
Tim Henry looked into permits? Think about what can happen, the history and water rights: - Low-rainfall area like Texas, cattle ranching. Someone upstream dams the river. Anyone downstream has the choice of dying out, moving away in a hurry, or doing something about it. Which might have meant gunfire and dynamite at the time. - Someone upstream builds a dam, but does it badly (won't withstand a big rainstorm) or they don't maintain it. Stored water and potential energy build up. It fails during a storm. A wall of water wipes out a town and kills 23 people. - Someone builds a dam and moves away. Who takes care of it? Sure, the builders left the spillway open. Then some idiot decides to close it and see what happens. So yeah, there are regulations. These look like they don't involve most of the big issues with dams.
there aren't enough rivers that have a strong steady current, the things would require maintenance, be affected by weather conditions, etc. etc... just try getting near a river to start with, outside the national forests, which are being sold to private org.s... the laws say we all have access to the rivers and river banks but most of them are fenced off, by private parties, and protected by security. I can only speculate that they have investments in oil.. ha. Literally no poor people live along rivers, legally. What you say was true 1,000 yrs. ago.
Alan, lots of rivers today are not utilized for two reasons: (1) They don't have enough height drop for regular hydro to be cost effective, (2) they incur more environmental destruction than people are willing to accept. I live in Norway which has a lot of hydro. As we got richer and did not need the hydro power as much for our welfare, objection to hydro power grew strongly. Environmentalism stopped further building of hydro-electric power plants. With this approach there seems to be an environmentally friendly way of building hydro electric power. That opens up a lot of new possibilities. > there aren't enough rivers that have a strong steady current, the things would require maintenance, be affected by weather conditions, etc. etc... This does not need a strong current. It needs a height drop of 1 meter. One of their selling points is low maintenance. Because it is operating on low pressure and spins relatively slowly it is supposed to last a lot longer with little maintenance.
take turbine,install in your piss and shit river flowing down main street.. enjoy the one watt bulb it will power until everyone stops shitting and pissing in main st=reet,then no more lights.
I agree with you, Jeff. It seems like a series of these could go a long way toward easing the fossil fuel needs of small communities in elevations where there is dependable water flow. Maybe not everyone gets to benefit but there are a lot of possibilities if it can be done in a flat area like Donihue.
Errol Foster if they are smart, and this is a good deal, maybe they will invest in it. Coal is a (diminishing) business, though some seem to consider it a religion.
not many coal power plant are still active because there has been a increase of taxes on high carbon fuels like coal and there switching to natural gas
Coal is getting out of bussiness like mad, mostly in the first world due to enviromental agreements (outside of the one of paris u.s. just got out) and 3rd worlders always try to imitate the 1st world while they also have a deeper concern about the enviroment (at least the ones in slightly above, in and below the ecuator) since a lot of them try to invest in cleaner energy options (mostly because turism is a big gold mine so its better to keep the nature turists want to see safe). Fuel on the other side is going to stay for a long time, maybe some of us if daddy America let us are going to experiment with nuclear energy but because that's unlikely to happen we will stay with this renaissance of the Greek and Roman hydraulic engineering...
Nice spin. There was a push for reducing the dumping of toxic by-products into the environment that long preceded the Obama administration and a lot of that by small communities suffering catastrophes following failures at coal ash ponds. The cost of natural gas dropped and the supply increased significantly as a result of fracking by the oil industry and that was the problem coal faced. Power companies answer to stockholders, as well, so they'll look for the cheapest available fuel. The focus on reducing the impact of coal would have continued even in a normal Republican administration and you can be fairly sure those efforts will pick up right where they left off when a new administration takes over the White House in 2021
Why not post prices? Are you concerned that the price might scare clients away? I think you think that. I sent your video to a rice grower in the Sacramento valley of California. A massive potential area for your product. He expressed interest but wondered what the cost was. A tip. 5kw of solar in California.. installed $16,000. If 5kw of power installed by you exceeds that. Don't post your prices. If you can beat that $16,000, you're fools for not posting your prices. The volume of installation in the valley could put you in the big time. This topography is tailor made for your product and, I dare say, the growers in this state can well afford the expense
There are plenty of videos touting different approaches to a variety of things and I've never seen one offering prices. The most logical reason for that is that time passes and prices change. Since this is the U.S., the first price change would be followed by a lawsuit by some stooge demanding they be given the product at the price quoted on the video, no matter how old the video was. And again, it's the U.S. so the number of lawyers willing to take just that kind of case pursuing a hoped-for windfall could make the lives of these people a complete misery.
Should be affordable for everyone want to invest in a green and no impact energy. Every village, every town has rivers, small or big. In my region we have a lot of mills, out of work, but with a complete system of 2 meters dams or more.if everyone could generate around 10 kw, could be enought for the street lamps, or to power at least the lights of cityhall or schools. Toghether with the led technology could save thousands of kg of co2.
Literally, everyone with a little bit of time and wood can do this... this is not a new concept it has been used before (not for electricity tho) on the Greek city-states and the Roman Empire... somehow hydraulic engineering of the aqueducts doesn't seem as a concept to used individually... it was also used on the water mills of the midle age european landscape
I truly hope this gets off the ground but it probably won't too many rich greedy people will stop it because they want people depending on them for power not making it themselves!
If they can make good money on it, they will; that's how some of them got rich. The problem is the average person doesn't have the time, interest, skills or resources to build and maintain one of these. E.g. you're late for work and the lights go out. Now what? Who fixes it? When? You are house hunting. One has this power plant you don't know anything about, and the bank loan officer knows nothing about. Do you get the loan? You move into an apartment. Where would you put one of these? If it's ten times the cost of other power alternatives, the economics will kill it. "Pssst, hey dude! Wanna buy power at $2.50 a kWh?" Except in special cases.
Gammareign if you buy nothing, then starting as what, a toddler? you must: - grow your own food - make your own clothes - build your own shelter - mine & smelt the ore to make steel & forge your own tools Or is this not what you meant?
I tried making my own ketchup the other day and the rich greedy people from Heinz busted down my door, threw out my ingredients, and forced me to buy their product instead. It was a bummer.
These type of videos are starting to irritate me, you go through an entire video and do not even see a picture of a working prototype in a lab or some thing just smiling people, drone photography, running water and rediculous music. when did the engineering team become the marketing team? No calculations, no fluide dynamics, no theortical models, more imnportantly no generator with prime move being rotated. what is going on here
Agreed, it seems to be much more a marketing / public relations video than the technical briefing I would prefer. One reason may be the tendency for public opinion to become laws; ignore public opinion at your peril.
Your model is wonderful, however, if you really wanna help people, Chile is not the best place, is actually one of the richest countries in the region, what about Bolivia, or most countries in central america?
Why would you need a continuing new supply of water, why not reuse the water once it has done it's job. Use some of the power it just generated to power a pump to send the water to a storage tank, then recirculate the previously used water adding additional water as evaporation occurs! This, of course, would be used when a river or stream is not available and for individual family use, not for a community power supply. Just my mind working overtime!
you do realize that there is something called efficiency you take 50% of the energy from the water, and then if you use a pump which will also have efficiency in the end you will need somewhere around 2 times the energy you make just to circulate the water up and down you can not use the energy to close the loop
Gittyup only a gravity Venturi pump would do that without electricity or maybe a water wheel system but you would only return some water the rest would have to br used to return the smaller portion but would be interesting
what would be interesting moving the water up and down for no gain?? even if we manage to make 100% efficient machines then we just make a closed loop that does nothing than rotate the water so what do you gain?? make some power and spent that power to sent back a portion fo the water? to gain what?
ANIKHTOS well you would get electrical generation then the falling weight of the water could be used to being back say 25% of the water. To use 4 electrical generation again
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we are group of volunteers helping rural areas of the Philippines. if we did the civil work according to your design and specification, how much would it cost for a set of 50k wph? it looks as though we can also do parallel set up to expand. love your ideas. concrete civil work might need special reinforcement to last long
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Its a great and wonderful idea for a clean and environment friendly energy solutions. My heart felt congratulation to the Turbulent Hydro development team. In my country specially the Northern area of Pakistan and Kashmir has a great potential for such like projects with thousands of opportunities. Keep it up and truly hope that it gets going.
good for poppy season ehh abdula?
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 Poppy is not in Pakistan. it is in Afghanistan. POOR KNOWLEDGE.
Wonderful. Beautiful affordable scalable solution.
Your doing good work I live in Maine every town could utilize one of these
Excelente aporte a la energía renovable!! Feliz de que mi país sea un lugar de prueba para solucionar los problemas domésticos de energía
Estamos tratando de instalar muchas turbinas y ayudar a las zonas rurales. Si conoce un canal o río con una pequeña diferencia de altura, no dude en contactarnos a través de nuestro sitio web o FB.
I love the project. Good job People
Can we turn our sewage pipes into electricity generating turbine systen using micro turbines
Very good work 🙏🏿
What does the 5kh equate to a two bedroom home? 1500Kwh are used per month on average in a two bed home so what does the 5kh mean? That every 1200 kilowatts are produced by this generator every day?
Great work! I'm wondering, is there a solution for this to be implemented in close loop, where output/discharge gets circulated as input/feed & still maintain same same output energy?
Great design thanks for inspired.
The design of it is basically a turbo for the river! Same thing as the hot side of a turbo charger on a car but water instead of exhaust gases pushing the turbine. The exit of water you have coming out of that looks like it has been speed up or
Vance wanless offcourse its like a turbo charger. Dont you know that air is just a gasous liquid. After all water is just 1 hydrogen with 2 oxygen
highkicker11 idk if you saw it or not but when I was typing this post I hit the send arrow by mistake. the other half of what I was trying to say is the next spot down. The first part is just sort of cut off and doesn't make much sense by itself. Lol let me know what u think of part two though!
One thought to save marketing some time and encourage interest:
It would be very helpful to have instructions on how to at least roughly measure stream flow. E.g. "Make a 90 degree 'V'- shaped notch in a piece of wood or plywood, with marks every centimeter along each edge of the notch. If the stream flow fills the notch to at least cm, with cm drop available for the turbine outflow, our kW turbine is estimated to have enough flow for full output. This is only a rough estimate and ." And a method for a square notch.
Maybe someone can post a link to this formula?
Just curiosity for me, useful for others.
test with a flowmeter instead of some ridiculous hack
trillrif axegrindor perhaps you can point out a suitable flowmeter for a stream of arbitrary size. Price?
your set up is sooooo cool. Every municipal waste water plant by rivers should have this set up to offset the high electricity cost of running plant blowers etc. IF your looking for a mfg rep. let me know as I sell bacteria to all municipal waste water plants in the Northeast US.
yes contact
shades of schauberger! vorticular flow!
Nice !How goes the proyect ?
I think TVA should take a look at this and make it larger for the Tennessee River areas
Don’t get me wrong I think it’s a great idea it’s just that my creek freezes up in the winter.
Paul Jorgenson close that front gate off and winterize. This would be an amazing idea here in the us especially using public works and community volunteers to instal we could revitalize community's that have until now been only able to use fossil fuels because of the isolation which good Americans even more so than suburbia and inner cities. Cycle the saved money and or new revenue into public works projects and mainly the educational system.
Is that why you walk funny? Try an ass chapstick
What nigga?
Only work at place without snow
moving water doesn't freeze unless its really cold or there is slow moving water so it could still work during the early weeks--months of winter
Vocês precisam fazer parcerias com o nosso governo para trazer está tecnologia para o Brasil. Nosso País é imenso e necessita deste tipo de geração de energia para locais remotos.
Well done guys . Future is what u built.
pueden ser un fake?...intente comunicarme con esta empresa de varias maneras y nadie contesta mis mails. vivo en argentina y tengo un caso concreto de aplicacion.
maybe a fake?....i tried to contact this people, but, nobody response to me. i live in argentina and want to buy this turbine.
Hola @pplanda soy Carlos Lucio de Turbulent, en Colombia, como me puedo comunicar con usted para conocer su proyecto?
Nice to see Viktor Schauberger's dreams brought to life.
Super dooopar!
Brilliant👍😎
Excellent.
Nova Scotia, Canada could use these!
Aswome... Great Job
This future energy im suport you god job
I want one set in Việt Nam. How much does cost for 30 kw hydropower plant ?
If height difference is all we need for hydro power why don't we build a dam like every mile starting up in the mountains and take every bit of energy we can get out of it before it gets to the ocean?
thats hwy he said small dam so the lake will be small and the construct of the dam will be easy
but the main advantage of big dam is the act as reservoir so you will need one big very high to make sure you have water all year long and you can build thousands small ones follow that.
and we talk about 2 meter height difference
so you can just enclose an area with 3 meter height
this small dam will not be used to store water rather give the height difference needed
it will change the river all over, but then why not
practical you will build a wall next to the river, in both sides that twill follow the river , and raise in height as the river goes downhill, thus making a small lake inside the enclosed area, and then you have the 2 meter difference you close the dam, put the generator
and then in the exit, 2 meter down build the new wall and repeat
where to you see the flood??
PG and E of California has been doing that for over 100 years. Now? They are quitting their hydro-electric projects. Why? The demands of fish and game, water quality boards and others has made the system too costly. They do not have those issues with gas fired generation plants. So, in Butte county, Ca, PG&E is not renewing their leases for at least 4 flumes and penstocks and the diversion dams and power plants in my area.Lime Saddle, Toadtown, Forks of Butte and Centerville power houses are being sold or shut down. Even the local water companies(though they could use the flumes) are hesitant to bid on the systems for fear that they will lose them to red tape.
they have water problem in California
thats the problem if you do not have water to drink you do not have water for hydro power
do not confuse these 2
hydro is great you just need water, as gas is great you just need gas
if for 1 reason your supply is limited then you prioritize your precious little you have
We have the most complex water system in the world. Also the biggest agricultural area production in the world.7th biggest economy in the world. The northern half of the state has the water. Look at a map showing the canal system. It will blow you away. We have plenty of water for small hydro. What? You think the water is undrinkable after it passes through hydro?
and thats why you make fool of yourself
to have hydro power you need to have store water in your dams, if you lack the water to drink then you will have to empty the dams and thus no longer produce electricity to give water to people and agriculture.
but you can not grasp that??
water shortage means you do not have water stored in the dams, no water int he dams means no electricity.
go and check grecee hydro powered? if you check you will find a perido that had 0 production and you know why? because of problem with water shortage they drain out the dams for people to drink and keep the crops growing.
electricity is good but water is more precious than electricity
can you grasp the idea?? or you will stick in your stupidity you think water is not drinkable??/
and i will not comment we have the more complex water system
size is not complexity
because if you consider size is complexity then china with the yellow river has the more complex water system.
but if you want to talk about complex water systems, why not try a city that has well water, river water, lake water, 3 different water sources providing water to the same city which means that every part of city is using a different water source. and not only different water sources but also interconnect these sources to a uniform delivery system
and just to show you your stupidity what about the places they take 2 water supplies 1 to drink and the other for any other use?? thats complex not the mere size of the system, which still will not make your the more complex they are bigger rivers out there.
cual seria el costo estoy interesado y que cuento con un rio que tiene 15 metros de desnivel en mi propiedad y tiene un flujo de muchisima agua y me interesa aprovecharlo para generar electricidad ya que es una zona muy alejada de la red electrica ademas de ser ecologico
hola @hacendado1234 eso depende de cada proyecto, la logística y si es on grid u off grid, comuniquese conmigo y evaluamos su proyecto
Could this be scaled down? I'm thinking a unit that could mount in line with plumbing drains in tall buildings. Or just beneath every toilet in America. Or maybe I smoked too much weed today.
Maybe you've got yourself an idea that will keep you in weed for life! That's a great idea though I might use the cleaner water from the shower and the kitchen sink.
How can i have one..can i get more details
What is the CAPEX required for a 5 kW Turbine, say for example to be installed in the Philippines?
Where in PH are you thinking?
Cual es la mayor escala en la que pueden trabajar?? Es posible desarrollar un grupo de turbinas que alcance los 120MW?? Agradezco sus amables respuestas
Hola @jorgeperozo5437, trabajamos con proyectos desde 15 kw en adelante, la escala depende del caudal y la caída disponible en cada proyecto
Why you start doing it in Chile first?
How can we get a5000kw hydropower generater from your company ...is it available on ebay ....for example!!?
What is the cost factor in India like countries for KWs of power generation?
Great idea, now I wonder how governments everywhere will find a way to tax us for using such a cheap source of energy and maker the process un-economic.
In Oregon, all water belongs to the State so you're going to need many permits to built this.
dangloc89 even if you used it to yourself and your family? What the heck?
Reza Yudhistira the history on this probably involves something like:
- people damming a stream that someone else needed, giving the other people the choice of doing something about the dam or moving away, or
- someone builds a dam badly; it accumulates a huge amount of water and potential energy, then fails due to heavy rains. This sends a wall of water and debris downstream that can wipe out bridges and even a town, or
- Build a dam and move away. Who maintains the thing?
- etc.
The government will want permits and such because it's part of the job of making people who live in the same area get along well enough to not kill too many of each other.
Well, if Spain taxed people for their solar panels, everything is possible.
Belgium taxes solar too which makes a very long pay back :-(
We’re can i buy this
Home Depot Hermosillo, Sonora🤡🤫💋
Where can i buy this thing? I cant find anything about this company
Great idea. Wish it was here in old Mexico! How does one get in contact with you?
Send us a message at www.turbulent.be/contact-us !
How this isn’t a multi-trillion dollar company yet, just goes to show you the power of the fossil fuel lobby…..
Concentrated at least to a more powerful stream. U could compound the water and run another turbine under it and another under that one if you need more output and not make a huge footprint really due to it being stacked on top one another, each one spinning faster then the other. In theory that is. Ha! Good stuff tho I can dig it!
the problem with that idea would be that it would not be eco-friendly anymore the higher you go the more energy potential the water has the more deadly it becomes for the fishes swimming in it, this low flow design is made to make it more survivable for the fishes
I think you would need to to a series of individual turbines along a waterway, rather than stacked. It would make maintenance issues a lot less complicated and the fish would probably be fine even if they passed through several turbines on their way down the stream.
perfect video to watch while takig a dump
nice innovative
Is it avaiable in Brasil?
Yes it´s available, contact me
How much will it cost?
i want have this in Bali, how much money for 5 kw?
Does this turbine works on slow moving ,flat area,big rivers?
All you need is about a 5' drop in elevation over a short distance.
How can I enquire to setup a branch in the South Pacific?
So this kind of thing will not work on a flat flowing river/stream/canal ?
It says in the video that the place where it's installed is flat country. It's probably possible to put in the appropriate limited elevation change without too much effort.
if you can't create head (vertical drop) - your solution has to be to align the axis of the generator with the flow, so the blades would be spinning perpendicular to the water surface. different design for shroud, screening to keep fish out, tethering it to the shore and powerfeed mechanisms.
All the system needs is one and a half meters. Surely you could run a pipe from one bend in the river to the next and get enough fall.
how can personal investments be made?
t h, i feel the need to say a couple things. this simple and inefficient design is a good choice only in the context of 'some power being better than no power'. it also does not look fish-friendly, to me. you may know, at a site having low-flow and low-head, THE most efficient type of turbine to use, is a correctly designed, poncelet-style overshot waterwheel; where the radius of the 'wheel is one half of the available head. cheers
Thanks for the comment, David. Rest assured we know about the Poncelet design and I advise you to look up the cost/kW of that design (something like double or triple our cost at $4000/kW) as well as the fish friendliness of the Poncelet waterwheel, which is limited due to its amount of shear stress points. We have designed this turbine to be fish-friendly. All fish physiology limits were taken from the fish-friendly design of the Alden turbine labs. Our pressures are 10 times lower than that design, and we reduced the amount of shear stress zones with our low speed design and bulbous leading edge of the blades. You can have a look at the "how does it work" video at www.turbulent.be/ to check how fish can pass through.
okay, forget the fish. it may be, there are valid reasons for design choices that result in a system that captures, only a fraction of the available energy. i only have the video to go by. the commentary is 'flowery' and vague. each of the various installations shown, could make fifteen to twenty percent more power, if a different turbine had been used. if the installation of a turbine better suited to the situation somehow cost more, it would 'pay for itself' more quickly. this design has only two advantages. it is simple and requires little maintenance.
in a low-flow, low-head hydropower application, the only potential energy available is in the mass of the water, falling. for maximum energy conversion, the vector of the flow should be VERTICAL. for maximum energy conversion, the leverage present in a turbine having a larger radius is ESSENTIAL. a larger radius calls for a turbine with buckets, and lower rotation rate, when under load. and so on. cheers
How about you also have a look at our other videos? We started the project when we tried to refurbish the watermill of Terlanen with some kind of hydropower technology. We also got a quote for the poncelet waterwheel, but the cost was incredibly high. In a place such as Belgium, with high electricity prices, this poncelet waterwheel was paid back in +- 28 years. Don't forget that although these waterwheels can be mechanically more efficient (in the case of overshot that can go to 80% in the case of overshot and archimedes screw turbine), they're also way larger. That has 2 immediate consequences. 1. They turn really slow. So you need a huge gearbox or a PM generator with a huge amount of pole pairs. Both not cheap, and the gearbox not efficient to boot. 2. A waterwheel indeed uses the vertical vectors you mentioned, but it has a limited capacity per meter width of the wheel or per meter diameter. In the case of Poncelet 1.5m3/s would mean a 1m wide and 4.5 to 6m diameter wheel. Quite hefty, and quite heavy. So a lot of maintenance.
By the way, a poncelet waterwheel is considered a kinetic impulse undershot wheel and uses the flow in the horizontal plane. It also reaches maximum efficiencies of 70%.
I don't disagree that a waterwheel can be more efficient (though not the Poncelet), it's just that the mechanical transmission and the works involved for water to enter the wheels, make them often not feasible for investors looking for a good ROI. And sadly, that's still what drives every renewable energy project.
Considering then that our turbine has a diameter of 1.2m, and manages to extract energy at a full system (hydraulic to electric) efficiency of 60%, I'd say we're not doing a bad job ;)
The units can also be shipped inside of a box that fits every pickup truck. Transport is no problem in other words, and we can bring clean energy to even the most remote regions.
So, will you give us the benefit of doubt? Have a look at our running project: ruclips.net/video/Bhyi1DjGti8/видео.html
That looks more real than our first shitty animations!
as i said, some power is better than no power. yes, a waterwheel-based system is more complex and will need a bit more maintenance. note that the radius of any waterwheel is determined by the available head. if the head is one-point-two meters, then the radius of the 'wheel will be point-six meters. a breastshot 'wheel could be a bit taller. you have chosen to design, make and install this SIMPLE, and inefficient, turbine design. fine. march on. cheers
Thanks dude, we're marching!
I mean, this is great and all, but WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE!? Such a turbine costs, what, 100$? Just dig the hole yourself.
The first rule in the Natural Order of all things,,
you don’t fight it.🤙🏽
Except you do every time you take man made medicine.
How would that work in the higher latitudes? Ice?
there is usually enough kinetic energy in flowing water to keep it from freezing solid
Check Hydro-Québec. Most reliable power grid in the world and highest wattage per capita. Some of the largest dams are at La Grande river, latitude over 53. La Grande 1 : 53.736074, -78.572680
MAKE HYDROPOWER GREEN AGAIN
KP Provence of Pakistan has the ability to install thousands of these turbines and overcome power shortage.
Problem around here is the wacky people in the government think they own my creek. Wackadoodles.
Good idea for sure.
Tim Henry looked into permits? Think about what can happen, the history and water rights:
- Low-rainfall area like Texas, cattle ranching. Someone upstream dams the river. Anyone downstream has the choice of dying out, moving away in a hurry, or doing something about it. Which might have meant gunfire and dynamite at the time.
- Someone upstream builds a dam, but does it badly (won't withstand a big rainstorm) or they don't maintain it. Stored water and potential energy build up. It fails during a storm. A wall of water wipes out a town and kills 23 people.
- Someone builds a dam and moves away. Who takes care of it? Sure, the builders left the spillway open. Then some idiot decides to close it and see what happens.
So yeah, there are regulations.
These look like they don't involve most of the big issues with dams.
Tim Henry, to be fair, it's really not your creek either.
there aren't enough rivers that have a strong steady current, the things would require maintenance, be affected by weather conditions, etc. etc...
just try getting near a river to start with, outside the national forests, which are being sold to private org.s... the laws say we all have access to the rivers and river banks but most of them are fenced off, by private parties, and protected by security. I can only speculate that they have investments in oil.. ha.
Literally no poor people live along rivers, legally. What you say was true 1,000 yrs. ago.
Alan, lots of rivers today are not utilized for two reasons: (1) They don't have enough height drop for regular hydro to be cost effective, (2) they incur more environmental destruction than people are willing to accept. I live in Norway which has a lot of hydro. As we got richer and did not need the hydro power as much for our welfare, objection to hydro power grew strongly. Environmentalism stopped further building of hydro-electric power plants.
With this approach there seems to be an environmentally friendly way of building hydro electric power. That opens up a lot of new possibilities.
> there aren't enough rivers that have a strong steady current, the things would require maintenance, be affected by weather conditions, etc. etc...
This does not need a strong current. It needs a height drop of 1 meter. One of their selling points is low maintenance. Because it is operating on low pressure and spins relatively slowly it is supposed to last a lot longer with little maintenance.
Is it possible in India
How much it cost
what a original idea. O R I G I N A L. I D E A.
ORIGINAL DESIGN, ORIGINAL PATENT (nikola tesla coff coff ... 1,061,142 six may of 1913)
U are geneous
It does not work in the winters in Europe and North America. :P
Please show your 100 kw turbine.
who is in charge of the sales ????
www.turbulent.be/contact-us and one of us will get back at ya
Is this technology patented?
I want to install in my country. How to get
take turbine,install in your piss and shit river flowing down main street..
enjoy the one watt bulb it will power until everyone stops shitting and
pissing in main st=reet,then no more lights.
So low pressure and small size = small power.....there’s no magic in physics and thermodynamics.
I want this in my county Nepal would you please help me
Right. Thousands of farmers put thousands of concrete dambs in our river to provide "sustainable" energy. Good idea!
Plans to expand into Colombia?
hola @gimmedub2 estamos en Colombia, contacteme para conocer su proyecto
YOU all are wonderful !!!
I agree with you, Jeff. It seems like a series of these could go a long way toward easing the fossil fuel needs of small communities in elevations where there is dependable water flow. Maybe not everyone gets to benefit but there are a lot of possibilities if it can be done in a flat area like Donihue.
The Problem with this is that it doesn't vibe with our institutions ideal of creating LACK.
How can icontact with u
do you think the coal companies will like this
Errol Foster if they are smart, and this is a good deal, maybe they will invest in it. Coal is a (diminishing) business, though some seem to consider it a religion.
not many coal power plant are still active because there has been a increase of taxes on high carbon fuels like coal and there switching to natural gas
Coal is getting out of bussiness like mad, mostly in the first world due to enviromental agreements (outside of the one of paris u.s. just got out) and 3rd worlders always try to imitate the 1st world while they also have a deeper concern about the enviroment (at least the ones in slightly above, in and below the ecuator) since a lot of them try to invest in cleaner energy options (mostly because turism is a big gold mine so its better to keep the nature turists want to see safe). Fuel on the other side is going to stay for a long time, maybe some of us if daddy America let us are going to experiment with nuclear energy but because that's unlikely to happen we will stay with this renaissance of the Greek and Roman hydraulic engineering...
Nice spin. There was a push for reducing the dumping of toxic by-products into the environment that long preceded the Obama administration and a lot of that by small communities suffering catastrophes following failures at coal ash ponds. The cost of natural gas dropped and the supply increased significantly as a result of fracking by the oil industry and that was the problem coal faced. Power companies answer to stockholders, as well, so they'll look for the cheapest available fuel. The focus on reducing the impact of coal would have continued even in a normal Republican administration and you can be fairly sure those efforts will pick up right where they left off when a new administration takes over the White House in 2021
Capitalism is cold and heartless.
Price ? :)
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Can I be the part of team. I can share valuable ideas with you too
Pull water from air
you could could this all along belladona creek an power all of los angeles.
Why not post prices? Are you concerned that the price might scare clients away? I think you think that. I sent your video to a rice grower in the Sacramento valley of California. A massive potential area for your product. He expressed interest but wondered what the cost was. A tip. 5kw of solar in California.. installed $16,000. If 5kw of power installed by you exceeds that. Don't post your prices. If you can beat that $16,000, you're fools for not posting your prices. The volume of installation in the valley could put you in the big time. This topography is tailor made for your product and, I dare say, the growers in this state can well afford the expense
There are plenty of videos touting different approaches to a variety of things and I've never seen one offering prices. The most logical reason for that is that time passes and prices change. Since this is the U.S., the first price change would be followed by a lawsuit by some stooge demanding they be given the product at the price quoted on the video, no matter how old the video was. And again, it's the U.S. so the number of lawyers willing to take just that kind of case pursuing a hoped-for windfall could make the lives of these people a complete misery.
Yeah, it looks like they just have a handful of installs and post a high price/kw on their website. Neat idea but not yet ready for many orders.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
Should be affordable for everyone want to invest in a green and no impact energy. Every village, every town has rivers, small or big. In my region we have a lot of mills, out of work, but with a complete system of 2 meters dams or more.if everyone could generate around 10 kw, could be enought for the street lamps, or to power at least the lights of cityhall or schools. Toghether with the led technology could save thousands of kg of co2.
Denny Arcano cool, where are all those old mills?
Literally, everyone with a little bit of time and wood can do this... this is not a new concept it has been used before (not for electricity tho) on the Greek city-states and the Roman Empire... somehow hydraulic engineering of the aqueducts doesn't seem as a concept to used individually... it was also used on the water mills of the midle age european landscape
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Nope - again another great video but nothing happens - website flawed and redirects.
can we buy the lab scale model?
I truly hope this gets off the ground but it probably won't too many rich greedy people will stop it because they want people depending on them for power not making it themselves!
nick torea. Your gonna those rich people your putting down to invest. If it works they will.
I like it.
If they can make good money on it, they will; that's how some of them got rich. The problem is the average person doesn't have the time, interest, skills or resources to build and maintain one of these. E.g. you're late for work and the lights go out. Now what? Who fixes it? When?
You are house hunting. One has this power plant you don't know anything about, and the bank loan officer knows nothing about. Do you get the loan?
You move into an apartment. Where would you put one of these?
If it's ten times the cost of other power alternatives, the economics will kill it. "Pssst, hey dude! Wanna buy power at $2.50 a kWh?" Except in special cases.
If you buy anything, you are dependent on others for power.
Gammareign if you buy nothing, then starting as what, a toddler? you must:
- grow your own food
- make your own clothes
- build your own shelter
- mine & smelt the ore to make steel & forge your own tools
Or is this not what you meant?
I tried making my own ketchup the other day and the rich greedy people from Heinz busted down my door, threw out my ingredients, and forced me to buy their product instead. It was a bummer.
André Rieux
What about the fish & microscopic life. Human made meat grinder for aquatic life.
Did you watch the video? The design allows the fish to pass through unharmed because the rate of flow isn't so great that it would be dangerous.
blurred lines you no nothing of. aquatic life.
Nathan Trigg who needs em, poop in my drinking water anyway.
These type of videos are starting to irritate me, you go through an entire video and do not even see a picture of a working prototype in a lab or some thing just smiling people, drone photography, running water and rediculous music. when did the engineering team become the marketing team? No calculations, no fluide dynamics, no theortical models, more imnportantly no generator with prime move being rotated. what is going on here
This turbine already exists. Its called a Gravitation water vortex generator. The idea in the video isn't original.
where do they put the generator in this design
That's why I kept skipping the promotional content
Nice remarks ....
Do you think it's not serious?
Agreed, it seems to be much more a marketing / public relations video than the technical briefing I would prefer. One reason may be the tendency for public opinion to become laws; ignore public opinion at your peril.
Hydro
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Your model is wonderful, however, if you really wanna help people, Chile is not the best place, is actually one of the richest countries in the region, what about Bolivia, or most countries in central america?
gafotaku Chile has a big program for clean energy
well someone need to pay it
solusi untuk LISTRIK GRATIS...................
bad copy of a GWVPP
sorry im going to steal your idea, thanks
HOW ARE YOU GETTING ON WITH YOUR STOLEN IDEA HAVE YOU MADE ANY PROGRESS
Why would you need a continuing new supply of water, why not reuse the water once it has done it's job. Use some of the power it just generated to power a pump to send the water to a storage tank, then recirculate the previously used water adding additional water as evaporation occurs! This, of course, would be used when a river or stream is not available and for individual family use, not for a community power supply. Just my mind working overtime!
Had similar thoughts...
you do realize that there is something called efficiency
you take 50% of the energy from the water, and then if you use a pump which will also have efficiency in the end you will need somewhere around 2 times the energy you make just to circulate the water up and down
you can not use the energy to close the loop
Gittyup only a gravity Venturi pump would do that without electricity or maybe a water wheel system but you would only return some water the rest would have to br used to return the smaller portion but would be interesting
what would be interesting moving the water up and down for no gain??
even if we manage to make 100% efficient machines then we just make a closed loop that does nothing than rotate the water
so what do you gain??
make some power and spent that power to sent back a portion fo the water? to gain what?
ANIKHTOS well you would get electrical generation then the falling weight of the water could be used to being back say 25% of the water. To use 4 electrical generation again