I totally believe in DIY and applaude a young guy who's willing to try instead of just paying someone to do it for him. Not to mention putting yourself out there by posting a video. Good on you, man. I wouldn't do it this way now that I've watched but thanks for putting this up nonetheles.
Bravo. To anyone facing this challenge you just made it a ton easier for us. Not all riders are so wealthy to hire it done and for a man working alone you just saved us a ton o trouble. Thank you.
I was taught how to dismount m/c tires in 1965 and have been doing them ever since. The important thing to know is -there is a ring of wire around the bead, it is steel, you cannot stretch it. Think about that for a minute. It is a steel ring that is smaller than the outside diameter of the wheel. Try to deform it into an oval and it's still too small. So what gives? The tire can be removed because 180 degrees from where you are prying, the bead or beads drop into the depression in the center of the wheel. Then the smaller steel ring of wires in the bead are no longer concentric with the wheel. It is eccentric to the point that it can be slipped over the rim. Weather it's zip ties, a tire iron, c-clamps, your boots or your knees - it's all the same, get the bead into the depression in the center of the rim.
ignore all the stupid comments dude, i have been a mechanic for 30 years and this is the first time i have seen this done and its brilliant, i would have loved to have seen the first time it was done. and balancing a wheel is easy i put a broom handle through the wheel and lift it then stick the original weights back on easy. thanks again for sharing loved it.
One quick observation. It's a good idea to mark the position of the valve stem on both sides of the tire so you can re mount it at the same location thereby minimizing any out of balance condition. Granted if you patch it the patch will have some weight, but not as much as accidentally remounting the tire so as the possibility of the heaviest point on the wheel and tire line up and cause a dangerous imbalance issue!
Thanks for the video. I'm in the middle of replacing a 240 tire with this method. I wish it was a 200 at this point because yours looks much easier. Nevermind the trolls, thanks again for sharing.
Quick tip: when using tire irons to dismount the tire off of the wheel; cardboard will do absolutely nothing to protect your wheel. The best thing to do is to wrap the contact point of the tire iron with some kind of tape, masking tape, whatever. Make sure you wrap it around good as many times as you feel will be enough and there you go. I work for a wheel company and that’s how we do it so that all those expensive wheels do not get messed up.
I now use a similar technique, inspired by this video, and mentions on forums. However I use re-usable friction cable straps. You still need a bead breaker, compressor, tyre irons (spoons) and rim protectors. It does make fitting the tyres a lot easier.
I noticed a fair bit of balancing weight on that wheel. If you're pulling the tire off for a patch, don't forget to mark the sidewall with some chalk or paint/whiteout at the valve stem. When you've put the tire back on, align the mark with the valve stem before you cut the ties and inflate the tire to insure your wheel stays balanced.
what an A M A Z I N G idea! thank you! (with a tiny screwdriver ,or a needle,or a sharpened paper clip,you can lift the tab on those plastic ties,and remove ,and re-use them)..
Very good method, like you I always want to do my own work, an improvement I suggest would be to use re-usable cable ties (that's what we call them in England) and a piece of old rubber for the rim protection.
Life is not always as easy as taking the tire to the dealer. I've been in more situations than I can think of where I needed to make do with what was available. Sometimes zip ties and a spare iron is all that's around. Good alternative method, good video. Thanks.
I tell you what, for a spoke (old style rime) this would be a way to go if you had no money to take it to a shop. They make a zip tie gun to pull them tight. A lot of comments on where I seen this posted were giving you a hard way to go. For me I would totally do this, smart thinking nice job..!
GREAT VIDEO! This is the exact method I use 'cept I use my chainsaw to git the ol' tire off the wheel! I use the zipties to fasten one of the kids to a tree where I beat him with a stick until the ol' lady gits the tire change done. Motivation is the key to success. I was goin' to have her use the chainsaw but it didn't seem safe. Ain't no way I'm lettin' her git near a chainsaw! This is the easiest way I've found to git this disgustin' job done.
Ignore all the haters. I always change my own tires too. I usually use spoons, but I think the zip ties will help also. To balance my tires, I use balance beads inside the tire.
I think this is the best how to change your own motorcycle tire video there is out there ! I'm going to try this myself. Hopefully it'll save me having to buy a No-Mar.
There's a truck to get the zip ties off without cutting them. If you have an ice pick or an electronics screw driver, you can unlock them by forcing the tool into the "mouth" of the locking head underneath the band. (the tool is forced in from the same direction as the band's inserted but underneath. There's a springy pawl ratcheting lever that grips the teeth underneath the band. Keep the tool forced in there and pull the band out.)
Damn good video. This saved me tons of time changing my front tire. I normally use spoons and wheel protectors to change my tires but it takes a ton of time and a good amount of strength to force that rubber over. As for balancing I always finish up with dynabeads, lead weights are for fishing.
You can buy purpose made nylon rim protectors that clip on the rim, So the tyre levers wont damage the rim. It looked to me as though that bead breaker scratched the inside of the rim too..
The plastic rim shield protectors are like three of them are for around $15 bucks; one can also get three tire spoons 14.5 inch in length for about $20 on amazon; one can get two curved section motorcycle tire irons for about $25 on amazon; so three rim shield protector, three tire spoons 14.5 inch length, two curved section motorcycle tire irons so for around $60 bucks and six 24 inch length one inch wide hook and loop velcro cinching straps for about another $12 bucks; this is still needed just in case one gets a flat out on the road in the middle of nowhere; so its a one time $72 investment in tire removal tools and associated tire removal accessories; now if one has low profile 70 series motorcycle tires one might have a tough time initially getting the tire compressed enough with the shortened vertical height tire sidewall enough to get the 24 inch length and one inch wide hook and loop velcro cinching straps routed underneath the tire successfully and if that is the case simply use a pair of two single 6 inch C-Clamps(about $9 x 2 = $18 Harbor Freight Tools) which has a clamping capacity of six inches tire width and a throat depth of 3.5 inches which should handle up to about 150mm tire width and one can also use the same pair of two singe 6 inch C-Clamps and use them also to act as an effective way to break the motorcycle tire bead away from the rim also as well in addition to compressing the tire sidewall to get the 24 inch length one inch wide hook and loop velcro cinching strap underneath the motorcycle tire initially(so one gets two utility functions of motorcycle tire sidewall compressor and motorcycle tire bead breaker compressor for the price of one C-Clamp tool. Now one can bring along the Flat Out Tire sealant and give that a try to attempt to use that to seal a dirt bike tire puncture but that is not a guarantee naturally of course which goes for about $18 bucks for a quart of the stuff.
Everyone is saying how he should have marked the tire and wheel to ensure he puts it back on the same way, but all of you forgot one huge thing lol. First CHECK the puncture to make sure it went all the way though =D hahaha
Excellent idea with the zip ties! But using plastic milk container, cut accordingly, protects the rim better imo. I break the tyre beading by rolling over with a car tyre lol (remove rotors/sprocket 1st)
Great video and method. With a bit of care and some household items, this can be done on the cheap. And for even cheaper, substitute the bead breaker for a few large c clamps. Most of us garage mechanics have a few anyway.
+NEW ZEALAND TRAILRIDING I wouldn't ride on a patched tire. My life is worth more than $10. If this was a dirt bike, different story. I had a wheel bearing blow at 60 mph. Couldn't imagine a tire blowout at that speed. Rear would be better than front.
Brilliant. I always use tyre levers and plastic rim protectors but this is a great way as well. Mark the rim and tyre wall with chalk or something to get thetyre back in the same balance spot.
LOL! He just used a pry bar and a bit of cardboard on the wheel! This is hilarious. A pack of THREE 15-inch long tire irons is only $20, and they are way faster than dicking around with a pile of zip ties. There is a big difference between being clever and wasting time and money to do something the wrong way.
I think you missed the point, the idea was to do it CHEAP, and not fast. It's definately cheaper to use some zip ties, an old tire iron prybar, some scrap 2x4s, an old piece of cardboard, and a $30 bead breaker, than to spend $200 that you don't have to get your old tires demounted, remounted, and balanced. You'd be surprised what you can do with nothing but a few scraps and a little imagination.
great job. I have a regular manual tire changer in my garage that would do the same for breaking the bead but I seem to work my guts out on car and trailer tires. That seemed to go over well. Thanks for posting..
Fantastic. No need to buy spoons or rim protectors. Ought to be easy on my 21 inch front wheel. Small enough to use my vice to break the beads and c clamp to squeeze for zips.
A patch on a motorcycle tire? no way no how, HELL no. I would either not ride or buy a new tire. That's just meExcellent video though I'll use it next time I change my tire, Thanks
+danny rose you guys that have your tires repaired I can't risk it on the track, I can understand on a cruiser but not A super sport on the track at speeds of over 160 mph.
You forgot to make index marks between the tire and the balance weights on the wheel... without marking the original position of the tire on the rim your wheel will no longer balanced when you remount the tire.
***** An imbalance of a rotating mass in dynamic balance is relative to the non-rotative mass, when the rotation does not produce any resultant centrifugal force or couple.
Nice job, good narration and an excellent tip for those who want to take care of tires at home.. I don't know how many dealers would know they would sell way more tires if they offered free installation.
Sooooo you could pay $30 for the tool, $5 for the ziptie and the time to go get all that stuff and then spend 30 minutes doing all of the work and then have to store the tool somewhere for 5+ years until you need it again, or just drive up to the local shop with the wheel and have them mount/unmount the tire for $20 in 5 minutes and do the patch in the parking lot.
Gail Hunsucker And how many of those did you puncture? This is really only useful for a tire that has been previously properly mounted, and therefore means it's only good for repairs.. You've got to get new tires balanced.
5 years? Another weekend sunshine biker. I use my bike every day and with Bridgestone "Battlax" dual compound tyres (which I highly recommend) get a year if i'm lucky - and if I don't rev her too hard in 4th. Pirelli's, Michelins and Continentals are for millionares. "High traction slicks" is a euphemism for "soft rubber for burnouts with no tread so bloody deadly in the wet"
Nice video, I use a plastic wedge to break the bead, easier to store. I use a 5 gallon bucket instead of 2x4, holds it higher, easier on my old back. Thanks for doing this video, never saw the zip tie method before!
+Gatis Graustins How could this technique damage the wheel? Thank you to the poster for helping us all save a little coin. My local shop charges $120 for two and always complain about mounting tires not purchased there.
Not really, He showed us how to remove a tire from a wheel using zipties. The title doean't lie, If you think you're going to take off a rear tire with just zipties, You're smoking crack.
Obviously not as good as tire spoons. But as an alternative method when none are available, this is pretty damn cool. Thanks for the tip! MachOverspeed
This really works the secret is to squash the tyre with your foot so the inner edges of the tyre are pressed together then pull the cable tie otherwise the cable ties break they won't pull the edges together by themselves I didn't need tyre levers at all when changing both tyres on my Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200 no rim scratches BRILLIANT
You did a great job. What I want to know is how much you pay a month in razors to keep your arms and legs so silky smooth? Or do you just go bikini bare with Nair?
I love the comments by the theorists here who have either never changed a tire themselves, or have only ever changed a soft tire in 25C+ heat. Try doing a narrow tubeless tire at -5C and see how far you get without chewing the hell out of the rim.
Wayne Novotny a large bench vice works well too. Just have to rotate it a few times. Zip ties is all I needed to mount mine. Then again I was swapping out a small front tire :) that always helps.
Dude, you need to mark the valve stem and tire for balancing location. When you reinstall, rotate tire so marks align, at least then it will be close to being balanced again. A Bead breaker is a great investment but, get two mini spoon bars as well. Never seen this zip tie method. Not a bad idea but, is a bit of a waste going all the way around. All you need is a little help to drop bead into the center of the wheel. Use two ties like you did at first, then stop and use the spoon bars. If you have fear of marking your wheel, slip rubber hose over the spoon bar about two inches long and use it to rest on the rim. If you slip the bars in close to each other and use a few small bites, it will be off in no time at all. You can also use a few flat screwdrivers if you don't have spoon bars. I Watched the install vid as well. You don't need zip ties at all. First bead will just push on with your hands, may even use your knee a bit. Second bead will go on most of the way with your knee and hands, then a few slips of the spoon bar.( easy ) Noted; soap water mix is smart and important. However, you paid attention to what one bead was doing and not the other. Always check that the two sides are coming up properly. Then air the beads to pop into place and adjust air after they pop. Not all tires pop/snap loud when they seat. If you want to be sure they did in fact seat ? Let all the air out and check beads. If all is good, refill the tire to proper pressure . Great vid Full thumbs up for do it yourself work, always room to learn more about things. I'm a 14 year(s) Licensed Tire Technician Also, Plugging a motorcycle tire to get home is o.k. BUT, get it fixed right and patch it from the inside.
I have never seen that before. Interesting. Just like you invested in the bead breaker, I think a set of tire spoons might be a good investment. Thanks for the video.
it was at that point I began asking myself why I'm listening to this dude...he doesn't even know that the sprocket comes out...lmao...I wonder if he knows what a cush drive is and where it's located?
ObservationaLee Still, worth passing on the idea using zips to build force with less needless tyre-directed violence. Cush drives live in different places on different bikes. I love the mystery.
Instead of cutting the zip-tie off you can you use a tiny screw driver to pry the lock and pull the tie back through the lock and the reuse to put the tire back on.
Medial Fluxocity Yeah, I ride a motard which means I can lift the whole thing if I have to. The problem is the bike is on a stand when the wheel is off which would make the whole thing awkward as hell. I've heard of it being done with a second bike...
Fantastic idea my friend, I will try that on my quad too if I can find long enough zip ties. Thank you for sharing, I always have a difficult time to take the old tires off, this will help very much.
bfulop Not for me it wasn't, I almost took mine to a shop after struggling with the "Correct tools" The other great thing about this method is there's zero chance of scratching the rim!
Nice video ignore the comments from folks that can't change their own tires LOL. Some tips the HF spoons are crap. Cut up milk jug works better than a pc of cardboard. The nomar paste works well for mounting doesn't leave as much moisture in there. Diluted and sprayed on works for bead breaking. Google around for mods to the $29 HF when it's on sale tire changer, that and a mojo or nomar bar and your good to go. The yellowthing is handy for mounting the 2nd bead. Even if you only go thru 2 or 3 sets a tires a year it quickly pays for itself and tire changes happen on your schedule. Avoid the dealer butchers like the plague :) Why pay extra for a dealer tire, more money for the swap, trips back and forth? Use the money for gas and go ride.
I’ve done this a few days ago and it worked great used a c clamp to break the bead and a small crow bar to remove it didn’t even use a valve core remover just punctured the tire took me about 30 minutes total
Excellent video, watched over the pond in the eu/Kay doing this on my gy6 derivative lexmoto fms 125 scooter, many thanks Mike Williams Stourport Worcestershire.
you spent more on that bead breaker than you did on a decent set of tyre irons.... the zip tie method? no.. its called THE WRONG WAY. wtf are you dong? its a tyre, take it off.. put it back on.. it requires ZERO tools other than a decent set of levers
+minor0confusion I agree, but if you use 2 wood working clamps, the type with 2 wooden bars and 2 screw handles for the bigger tires works a lot better than zip ties.
I know My Shop or any shop in the area that cares about ability if it fails down the high way will not patch a motorcycle tire. ATV sure,but a sport bike tire no thank you.
No sir. I am a service tech and i recommend replacing it. Im not saying its terrible but i know i don't want to throw my leg over a bike and go rip on it knowing there is a plug in it. honestly its all about safety.
Here's a way that should work to start the first zip tie. Stand the tire upright, then force the bottom of the tire downward by putting a piece of 2x4 thru the rim and then standing on the 2x4. The tire will collapse at the bottom and allow the zip tie to easily inserted at the top of the rim.
Excellent.....very cool bead breaker.....and the ZIP TIE idea.....fantastic. I wonder if you know.....to save cutting your ZIP TIES.....you can unlock the locking tab quite easy with a small thin flat screw driver or the likes.
Dave Svoboda I can take a rim and tire down to a local shop and they pop it off for 10, and another 10 to throw it back on. Some guys will do it for a coffee, others for free. It takes them a min and its a free lunch for the guy doing it, everyone wins
***** I've seen too many deadly overlooked items to trust my life to the lowest-paid employee. It's not the tires so much as the wheel bearings, and the caliper bolts. Lots of shops like to hang the calipers by the hoses, and those same shops are quite happy to replace the hoses when the crimps for some strange reason start to leak. There are a hundred other little items they can get wrong. I can get them wrong, too, but at least it's my own doing, and not some pimply schlump's.
Dave Svoboda I'm talking about just the tire and rim, do everything yourself but take the tire and rim to a tire shop and let them pop the rubber off in a few min and you're on your way. Do what you want, all I stated is that there are shops who will do it for less money than your time should be worth. Not to sound rude but my time is worth more than taking rubber off a rim. I enjoy working on my car and bike but some things are just not worth the time and hassle. I agree though, lots of incompetent shops and or employees out there that can and will fuck up your ride.
Edwin Henry Blachford Lesson: at the Pearly Gates "What you doing here fool?" .. "well I paid a dude to relink my new chain but he fucked up and it cut me in half in a messy way on the freeway".. "Buzz off you loser. Heaven is for guys who give-a-damn.. not some credit card nood with no ability"...
i patched a hole on my rear tire and rode it on a long road trip, riding it hard numerous times on corners. I didnt feel any different compared to before i patched it. And the patch lasted till the end of the tire's life.
That was a brilliant solution! Of course other may use standard tools and methods, but your method was great instruction for me, not so much for tire repair (I would prefer the plug method) but definately for changing to new tires. Thanks!
No, "rim" is correct. A "wheel" is the whole assembly, but, some marketing geniuses decided they needed to change it. Like bad is awesome instead of bad????? Ever heard of "wagon wheel"? Thats the spokes and everything, WAY before cars came around. Always been called rims and always should. Dont fall victim to the herders, use your brains!! Now, please correct the video! :)
Nope, the metal part is a wheel, the lip around the wheel is the rim, and the rubber compound is a tyre. Rim: the upper or OUTER EDGE of an object, typically something CIRCULAR or approximately CIRCULAR Synonyms for rim: brim, edge, lip, border That concludes your English lesson for the day. My name is Mr. Travis, if you have any questions or comments please write them on a piece of paper and put them in that ceramic seat in the bathroom known as the toilet and press the lever. Thank you.
the zip ties help a lot. try it, it works, much less effort when prying, than just using the spoons, and less chance of damaging the edge of the rim. you can buy re usable zip ties also.
to be young and full of juice.wonderful.experience has taught me a few things in life it is just easier and cheaper to pay to have it done and i am someone who fixes all my belonging including house.this is a pay to have done item and i only include about 15 items in that group.the other one is getting head.its just cheaper to pay the pros
You're lucky, shops near me want $50+ each wheel just to dismount/mount/balance, and that's if I bring them in off the bike. Gets pretty steep when I just paid $300 for tires.
Well its a personal preference, if its a small injury, under 1/4 inch then a patch is okay as long as you fill the wound channel withsome glue, a hole larger than that may have cut more of the structure of the tire. I'd patch and inspect and look for any out of roundness that indicates carcass damage. The only time I've ever had to repair is after fitting a new tire and more than 300 miles from home, then pick up a nail/tack/staple/screw, every time...
fastst1 I do my own tire changes, and have a inside-patch kit that I use for flats. (It's like a thick patch, but with a spike that you put through the hole from the INSIDE.) When I take the tire off, I can also determine how nasty the hole is from the carcass inside, and whether I think the patch will reinforce it enough.
fastst1 Indeed, I prefer the inside patch method, dislike the stringy gummy plugs. What you use is what I'd tall the 'Tech tire uniseal' type plug, they work great all around. I'll use the rubber/glue plugs on the roadside and inspect the tire when I get someplace. Tech brand repairs cost more but they hold solidly. Indeed, sometimes the tire is junk.
fastst1 The "Stringy gummy" things are *Temporary only*, Being as you can stow both tools and a 5 pack of plugs it's simply a way to get home without having to get a tow truck or a friend with a truck to come get you. As soon as you get home its advised to take the tire, remove the plug and install one of the inside patches with the "spike on the inside"... For some reason I think they're called "T type patches". I suppose due to the fact from they side they look like a T. Anyway if you discover the puncture quickly, On more than one occasion I've gotten my plugger ready and loaded, popped out the nail, screw etc, and jammed the plug in. Fast enough I still had enough air to safely ride to the nearest service station to air up.
Dynaplug is the best solution for tire repair - very effective and perfect for anyone riding a motorcycle. Cycle Gear carry's the Dynaplug Ultralite repair kit. This enables the rider to plug a puncture like this in about a minute. Very simple! No need to ream the hole any bigger and remove the tire from the rim.
+Mike Brink The place i use has never damaged a rim and if they did they would get it fixed anyway.I have to go to the shop to buy the tyre anyway so might as well get them to fit it while i am there,works out cheaper then me doing it.
+NEW ZEALAND TRAILRIDING I wish. I told a bike shop around here to change mine and i would bring them the tire, once they saw i had a ducati my price doubled.
Why do people dislike videos like this? This guy took time out of his day to show a legitimate way of removing and fixing a tire.
I totally believe in DIY and applaude a young guy who's willing to try instead of just paying someone to do it for him. Not to mention putting yourself out there by posting a video. Good on you, man.
I wouldn't do it this way now that I've watched but thanks for putting this up nonetheles.
Bravo. To anyone facing this challenge you just made it a ton easier for us. Not all riders are so wealthy to hire it done and for a man working alone you just saved us a ton o trouble. Thank you.
I was taught how to dismount m/c tires in 1965 and have been doing them ever since. The important thing to know is -there is a ring of wire around the bead, it is steel, you cannot stretch it. Think about that for a minute. It is a steel ring that is smaller than the outside diameter of the wheel. Try to deform it into an oval and it's still too small. So what gives? The tire can be removed because 180 degrees from where you are prying, the bead or beads drop into the depression in the center of the wheel. Then the smaller steel ring of wires in the bead are no longer concentric with the wheel. It is eccentric to the point that it can be slipped over the rim. Weather it's zip ties, a tire iron, c-clamps, your boots or your knees - it's all the same, get the bead into the depression in the center of the rim.
Gary K right on brother...
Thanks
This is the most brilliant technique I've seen/ picked up in all of my years of working on cars and bikes. Thank you sir
ignore all the stupid comments dude, i have been a mechanic for 30 years and this is the first time i have seen this done and its brilliant, i would have loved to have seen the first time it was done. and balancing a wheel is easy i put a broom handle through the wheel and lift it then stick the original weights back on easy. thanks again for sharing loved it.
One quick observation. It's a good idea to mark the position of the valve stem on both sides of the tire so you can re mount it at the same location thereby minimizing any out of balance condition. Granted if you patch it the patch will have some weight, but not as much as accidentally remounting the tire so as the possibility of the heaviest point on the wheel and tire line up and cause a dangerous imbalance issue!
dude you worked your ass off to get that Tire off... that deserves a "follow". Kudos man.
Thanks for the video. I'm in the middle of replacing a 240 tire with this method. I wish it was a 200 at this point because yours looks much easier. Nevermind the trolls, thanks again for sharing.
I know this comment is old, but did it work? I'm about to try this for a 240 as well.
Don't waste ur time. Pay the 35 bucks to have a shop do it.
@@josephalbrecht6339 shops charge $50+ and I already did it. Worked like a charm 😁
@@brianjohnson9368 shop here charge 35 if u bring in the wheel. 70 if u bring in the whole bike
I dislike all the thumbs down. Give this guy a break...he put a lot of work into this video!
Quick tip: when using tire irons to dismount the tire off of the wheel; cardboard will do absolutely nothing to protect your wheel. The best thing to do is to wrap the contact point of the tire iron with some kind of tape, masking tape, whatever. Make sure you wrap it around good as many times as you feel will be enough and there you go. I work for a wheel company and that’s how we do it so that all those expensive wheels do not get messed up.
Very generous of you to take the time to demonstrate this method! Thanks
FYI you can pull your sprocket right out without taking the bolts out, it sits in some rubber feet inside the hub
I now use a similar technique, inspired by this video, and mentions on forums. However I use re-usable friction cable straps. You still need a bead breaker, compressor, tyre irons (spoons) and rim protectors. It does make fitting the tyres a lot easier.
I noticed a fair bit of balancing weight on that wheel. If you're pulling the tire off for a patch, don't forget to mark the sidewall with some chalk or paint/whiteout at the valve stem. When you've put the tire back on, align the mark with the valve stem before you cut the ties and inflate the tire to insure your wheel stays balanced.
what an A M A Z I N G idea! thank you! (with a tiny screwdriver ,or a needle,or a sharpened paper clip,you can lift the tab on those plastic ties,and remove ,and re-use them)..
Very good method, like you I always want to do my own work, an improvement I suggest would be to use re-usable cable ties (that's what we call them in England) and a piece of old rubber for the rim protection.
Life is not always as easy as taking the tire to the dealer. I've been in more situations than I can think of where I needed to make do with what was available. Sometimes zip ties and a spare iron is all that's around. Good alternative method, good video. Thanks.
I tell you what, for a spoke (old style rime) this would be a way to go if you had no money to take it to a shop. They make a zip tie gun to pull them tight. A lot of comments on where I seen this posted were giving you a hard way to go. For me I would totally do this, smart thinking nice job..!
Look super easy especially with minimum tools. Love the zip-tie method!
GREAT VIDEO! This is the exact method I use 'cept I use my chainsaw to git the ol' tire off the wheel!
I use the zipties to fasten one of the kids to a tree where I beat him with a stick until the ol' lady gits the tire change done. Motivation is the key to success.
I was goin' to have her use the chainsaw but it didn't seem safe. Ain't no way I'm lettin' her git near a chainsaw!
This is the easiest way I've found to git this disgustin' job done.
Works like a charm! Almost felt guilty for how easy it was... Almost!! Thanks
Cam for the Zip Tie tutorial, stayed for the sexy cavs
Ignore all the haters. I always change my own tires too. I usually use spoons, but I think the zip ties will help also. To balance my tires, I use balance beads inside the tire.
I'm pretty much gonna just be using my bare hands and some zip ties..... so here I have this bead breaker tool
fucking joker right
I think this is the best how to change your own motorcycle tire video there is out there ! I'm going to try this myself. Hopefully it'll save me having to buy a No-Mar.
this was wheelie helpful, I'm so tired of getting punctures
+Liam Kilcoyne Possibly you need a new scriptwriter, Liam.............??
There's a truck to get the zip ties off without cutting them. If you have an ice pick or an electronics screw driver, you can unlock them by forcing the tool into the "mouth" of the locking head underneath the band. (the tool is forced in from the same direction as the band's inserted but underneath. There's a springy pawl ratcheting lever that grips the teeth underneath the band. Keep the tool forced in there and pull the band out.)
awesome video buddy,,thank you,it superrrrrr helpful..
Damn good video. This saved me tons of time changing my front tire. I normally use spoons and wheel protectors to change my tires but it takes a ton of time and a good amount of strength to force that rubber over. As for balancing I always finish up with dynabeads, lead weights are for fishing.
You can buy purpose made nylon rim protectors that clip on the rim, So the tyre levers wont damage the rim. It looked to me as though that bead breaker scratched the inside of the rim too..
kerrowmoar4 That's a great idea! We could even make our own rim protectors out of plastic scrap.
The plastic rim shield protectors are like three of them are for around $15 bucks; one can also get three tire spoons 14.5 inch in length for about $20 on amazon; one can get two curved section motorcycle tire irons for about $25 on amazon; so three rim shield protector, three tire spoons 14.5 inch length, two curved section motorcycle tire irons so for around $60 bucks and six 24 inch length one inch wide hook and loop velcro cinching straps for about another $12 bucks; this is still needed just in case one gets a flat out on the road in the middle of nowhere; so its a one time $72 investment in tire removal tools and associated tire removal accessories; now if one has low profile 70 series motorcycle tires one might have a tough time initially getting the tire compressed enough with the shortened vertical height tire sidewall enough to get the 24 inch length and one inch wide hook and loop velcro cinching straps routed underneath the tire successfully and if that is the case simply use a pair of two single 6 inch C-Clamps(about $9 x 2 = $18 Harbor Freight Tools) which has a clamping capacity of six inches tire width and a throat depth of 3.5 inches which should handle up to about 150mm tire width and one can also use the same pair of two singe 6 inch C-Clamps and use them also to act as an effective way to break the motorcycle tire bead away from the rim also as well in addition to compressing the tire sidewall to get the 24 inch length one inch wide hook and loop velcro cinching strap underneath the motorcycle tire initially(so one gets two utility functions of motorcycle tire sidewall compressor and motorcycle tire bead breaker compressor for the price of one C-Clamp tool. Now one can bring along the Flat Out Tire sealant and give that a try to attempt to use that to seal a dirt bike tire puncture but that is not a guarantee naturally of course which goes for about $18 bucks for a quart of the stuff.
I wouldn't bother with this for a tubeless tire.... but for tubes, this is gonna save me a buuunch of headache! Thanks for this one bro!
Everyone is saying how he should have marked the tire and wheel to ensure he puts it back on the same way, but all of you forgot one huge thing lol. First CHECK the puncture to make sure it went all the way though =D hahaha
Just remember to place the tire in the same place on the rim, So the tire doesn't come unbalanced, you did a nice job. Nice video
well done man. tanks for the tip.
Clever never thought there was a better (less tools, less work) way thanx . Now I'll track your other vid. First a trip to HF.
Excellent idea with the zip ties! But using plastic milk container, cut accordingly, protects the rim better imo. I break the tyre beading by rolling over with a car tyre lol (remove rotors/sprocket 1st)
I've done that too jack up a car and drop it on the tire
Or a large bench vice!
Great video and method. With a bit of care and some household items, this can be done on the cheap. And for even cheaper, substitute the bead breaker for a few large c clamps. Most of us garage mechanics have a few anyway.
much as that might work in a bit of a fix but a set of spoons would be quicker, cheaper and much less hassle.
But you might damage the rim if you are not careful enough.
Bob Tav Not very good for the tyre. I have also seen it done with rope laced round an round. My main worry would be twisting or nipping the bead.
Just used this method on front and rear cbr 1000...worked like a charm! Thank you sir!
Puts cardboard not to damage the wheel....slams the pry bar against the wheel.
(oh, boy..)
LOL you noticed that too huh...?
Used this method and it worked great. I couldn't get it on with tire irons. Ignore the haters
How much did that large, metal orange-colored zip tie cost that you used to break the bead on the tire?
+Jo Momma He said $30 at Harbor Freight.
+Rick Random that wasnt the point
+Jo Momma It cost less than half the price of a tire swap done by a shop...
+Craig C less then $10?
+NEW ZEALAND TRAILRIDING I wouldn't ride on a patched tire. My life is worth more than $10. If this was a dirt bike, different story. I had a wheel bearing blow at 60 mph. Couldn't imagine a tire blowout at that speed. Rear would be better than front.
Brilliant. I always use tyre levers and plastic rim protectors but this is a great way as well. Mark the rim and tyre wall with chalk or something to get thetyre back in the same balance spot.
LOL! He just used a pry bar and a bit of cardboard on the wheel! This is hilarious. A pack of THREE 15-inch long tire irons is only $20, and they are way faster than dicking around with a pile of zip ties. There is a big difference between being clever and wasting time and money to do something the wrong way.
Harbor Freight (his favorite go to tool store) has them for a lot less.
Mick H Mike, it's definitely better to keep yours shut. Everyone's known you're an idiot for years.
came here to say the same thing. i use 3 "10 tire irons and while it may scratch a painted rim like that it seems like less work.
I think you missed the point, the idea was to do it CHEAP, and not fast. It's definately cheaper to use some zip ties, an old tire iron prybar, some scrap 2x4s, an old piece of cardboard, and a $30 bead breaker, than to spend $200 that you don't have to get your old tires demounted, remounted, and balanced. You'd be surprised what you can do with nothing but a few scraps and a little imagination.
I don't spend $200. Buying quality tools once will keep you from doing it again.
great job. I have a regular manual tire changer in my garage that would do the same for breaking the bead but I seem to work my guts out on car and trailer tires. That seemed to go over well. Thanks for posting..
I tried this once and thought "this is how guys my age die of a heart attack." it was so difficult. Now i use spoons and rim protector.
Fantastic. No need to buy spoons or rim protectors. Ought to be easy on my 21 inch front wheel. Small enough to use my vice to break the beads and c clamp to squeeze for zips.
A patch on a motorcycle tire? no way no how, HELL no. I would either not ride or buy a new tire. That's just meExcellent video though I'll use it next time I change my tire, Thanks
had two professional patches in my rear tyre for over a year now fuck am I buying a new tyre every time I pick up some shit off the road
+danny rose you guys that have your tires repaired I can't risk it on the track, I can understand on a cruiser but not A super sport on the track at speeds of over 160 mph.
+bIoodypingu not a tard I do track days not riding on the track with a repaired tire that's just retarded
greenmarine5
Yeah because track riding is the only type of riding there is right?
Did I say that, did I insinuate that...NO I didn't.
Anyone who has tried to remove a tyre from a Lambretta tubeless rim will be frothing over this demo, thanks a bunch, I will give this a go.
You forgot to make index marks between the tire and the balance weights on the wheel... without marking the original position of the tire on the rim your wheel will no longer balanced when you remount the tire.
...***** You must be really fat..? or ride really, really slow....
***** Then I guess...? you are just stupid.... instead of fat and stupid
tell me what the weight of the rider makes a difference in it being balanced or not smartass
***** An imbalance of a rotating mass in dynamic balance is relative to the non-rotative mass, when the rotation does not produce any resultant centrifugal force or couple.
***** I just did answer your question... proving that you are indeed stupid... as far as being fat..? I guess I will have to take your word....
Nice job, good narration and an excellent tip for those who want to take care of tires at home.. I don't know how many dealers would know they would sell way more tires if they offered free installation.
Sooooo you could pay $30 for the tool, $5 for the ziptie and the time to go get all that stuff and then spend 30 minutes doing all of the work and then have to store the tool somewhere for 5+ years until you need it again, or just drive up to the local shop with the wheel and have them mount/unmount the tire for $20 in 5 minutes and do the patch in the parking lot.
5 years 8 front tires , 12 rear give or take a bit maybe at 40bucks you drag it in.
some 800 bucks!
Gail Hunsucker Are you really complaining about $800 over the course of 5 years! WOW!
Kerwin Lovell In comparison to free, it's a no-brainer
Gail Hunsucker
And how many of those did you puncture? This is really only useful for a tire that has been previously properly mounted, and therefore means it's only good for repairs.. You've got to get new tires balanced.
5 years? Another weekend sunshine biker. I use my bike every day and with Bridgestone "Battlax" dual compound tyres (which I highly recommend) get a year if i'm lucky - and if I don't rev her too hard in 4th. Pirelli's, Michelins and Continentals are for millionares. "High traction slicks" is a euphemism for "soft rubber for burnouts with no tread so bloody deadly in the wet"
Nice video, I use a plastic wedge to break the bead, easier to store. I use a 5 gallon bucket instead of 2x4, holds it higher, easier on my old back. Thanks for doing this video, never saw the zip tie method before!
title should read. Zip tie, 2x4, bead breaker, cardboard and pry bar method. Time is money
+Minh Dao not only time is money, but you can damage rim with this technique.
+Gatis Graustins How could this technique damage the wheel? Thank you to the poster for helping us all save a little coin. My local shop charges $120 for two and always complain about mounting tires not purchased there.
Not really, He showed us how to remove a tire from a wheel using zipties. The title doean't lie, If you think you're going to take off a rear tire with just zipties, You're smoking crack.
.mlh you're right, because he's doing a front tire on the video right? You see that front wheel sprocket?
This is why you watch multiple videos. You can break the bead using large C-Clamps as well.
THANKS FOR "PASSING UP" TRICKS TO US OLD TIMERS THAT SHOULD BE "PASSING INFO DOWN" TO YOU!!
Obviously not as good as tire spoons. But as an alternative method when none are available, this is pretty damn cool.
Thanks for the tip!
MachOverspeed
This really works the secret is to squash the tyre with your foot so the inner edges of the tyre are pressed together then pull the cable tie otherwise the cable ties break they won't pull the edges together by themselves I didn't need tyre levers at all when changing both tyres on my Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200 no rim scratches BRILLIANT
You did a great job. What I want to know is how much you pay a month in razors to keep your arms and legs so silky smooth? Or do you just go bikini bare with Nair?
I love the comments by the theorists here who have either never changed a tire themselves, or have only ever changed a soft tire in 25C+ heat.
Try doing a narrow tubeless tire at -5C and see how far you get without chewing the hell out of the rim.
If you're going to spend the money on a bead breaker, spend a couple dollars for some aluminum spoons. Cardboard and a steel pry bar make me cringe.
Wayne Novotny a large bench vice works well too. Just have to rotate it a few times. Zip ties is all I needed to mount mine. Then again I was swapping out a small front tire :) that always helps.
Wow , I just used this method for my Victory Vision rear tire..super stiff side walls.... worked like a dream
Those Zip ties cost more than the Tire Spoons !!
+nikki Really, tire spoons are less than $1.50
But zip ties are more fun
Dude, you need to mark the valve stem and tire for balancing location. When you reinstall, rotate tire so marks align, at least then it will be close to being balanced again.
A Bead breaker is a great investment but, get two mini spoon bars as well.
Never seen this zip tie method. Not a bad idea but, is a bit of a waste going all the way around. All you need is a little help to drop bead into the center of the wheel.
Use two ties like you did at first, then stop and use the spoon bars.
If you have fear of marking your wheel, slip rubber hose over the spoon bar about two inches long and use it to rest on the rim. If you slip the bars in close to each other and use a few small bites, it will be off in no time at all. You can also use a few flat screwdrivers if you don't have spoon bars.
I Watched the install vid as well. You don't need zip ties at all. First bead will just push on with your hands, may even use your knee a bit. Second bead will go on most of the way with your knee and hands, then a few slips of the spoon bar.( easy )
Noted; soap water mix is smart and important. However, you paid attention to what one bead was doing and not the other. Always check that the two sides are coming up properly. Then air the beads to pop into place and adjust air after they pop.
Not all tires pop/snap loud when they seat. If you want to be sure they did in fact seat ? Let all the air out and check beads. If all is good, refill the tire to proper pressure .
Great vid
Full thumbs up for do it yourself work, always room to learn more about things.
I'm a 14 year(s) Licensed Tire Technician
Also, Plugging a motorcycle tire to get home is o.k. BUT, get it fixed right and patch it from the inside.
"Ill im going to use is these zipties... and my hands."
Uses wood blocks. Gets bead breaker. Talks about using pliers. Uses prybar. Uses cardboard.
K.
I was 5 sec from posting the exact same thing
I have never seen that before. Interesting. Just like you invested in the bead breaker, I think a set of tire spoons might be a good investment. Thanks for the video.
You realize the sprocket and carrier just pull out don't you?
That's step two of the "leap on it" method.
it was at that point I began asking myself why I'm listening to this dude...he doesn't even know that the sprocket comes out...lmao...I wonder if he knows what a cush drive is and where it's located?
ObservationaLee Still, worth passing on the idea using zips to build force with less needless tyre-directed violence. Cush drives live in different places on different bikes. I love the mystery.
Instead of cutting the zip-tie off you can you use a tiny screw driver to pry the lock and pull the tie back through the lock and the reuse to put the tire back on.
$30 for 1 minute of use or $0 for 30 minutes of trying to break the bead.
Or you could just use something every motorcycle owner has - a side stand, $0 for 1 minute of use.
smutpow And how exactly do I use the sidestand while my wheel is off?
Yamaha XT 1200 Z Superténéré - Tire change
Whammy! I guess that depends how heavy your bike is and how strong you are. Harley riders wont be using that method for sure.
Medial Fluxocity Yeah, I ride a motard which means I can lift the whole thing if I have to. The problem is the bike is on a stand when the wheel is off which would make the whole thing awkward as hell. I've heard of it being done with a second bike...
Thank you so much for making this, saved me a lot of trouble and money.
I hope this young man does not get any ideas to use his own method, when he sees his children being born!
Fantastic idea my friend, I will try that on my quad too if I can find long enough zip ties. Thank you for sharing, I always have a difficult time to take the old tires off, this will help very much.
using tire spoons and rim protectors would have been so much easier.
bfulop
Not for me it wasn't, I almost took mine to a shop after struggling with the "Correct tools"
The other great thing about this method is there's zero chance of scratching the rim!
@@-JohnSmith- except for the chance of scratching when he puts the pry bar in anyway because zip ties werent enough
Even easier yet is spend $8 and get a plug kit from Walmart....
Nice video ignore the comments from folks that can't change their own tires LOL.
Some tips the HF spoons are crap. Cut up milk jug works better than a pc of cardboard.
The nomar paste works well for mounting doesn't leave as much moisture in there. Diluted and sprayed on works for bead breaking. Google around for mods to the $29 HF when it's on sale tire changer, that and a mojo or nomar bar and your good to go. The yellowthing is handy for mounting the 2nd bead. Even if you only go thru 2 or 3 sets a tires a year it quickly pays for itself and tire changes happen on your schedule. Avoid the dealer butchers like the plague :) Why pay extra for a dealer tire, more money for the swap, trips back and forth? Use the money for gas and go ride.
're Crazy! A hassle of hell, I'd rather take a tire repairman.
I’ve done this a few days ago and it worked great used a c clamp to break the bead and a small crow bar to remove it didn’t even use a valve core remover just punctured the tire took me about 30 minutes total
here I will use just these zip ties and my hands..so here is my bead breaker....
Excellent video, watched over the pond in the eu/Kay doing this on my gy6 derivative lexmoto fms 125 scooter, many thanks Mike Williams Stourport Worcestershire.
14:15 card board is useless where not applied
Fair play this guy for putting his '1st time' video on here..
you spent more on that bead breaker than you did on a decent set of tyre irons.... the zip tie method? no.. its called THE WRONG WAY. wtf are you dong? its a tyre, take it off.. put it back on.. it requires ZERO tools other than a decent set of levers
+minor0confusion Well you beat me to it . Well said.
+minor0confusion I agree, but if you use 2 wood working clamps, the type with 2 wooden bars and 2 screw handles for the bigger tires works a lot better than zip ties.
A way that is bad.
Wtf is all i can say. A couple cheap irons or screwdrivers and I'd have that tire off before he gets those zip ties on.
well if ur lookin up easy ways to change a tire here on youtube, then your "lever" method obviously sux
I change tyres for a living, this was very entertaining thank you, get some tyre spoons of eBay for $15, some come with plastic rim protector's
Never Patch a motorcycle tire..
Why? the shops do it.
I know My Shop or any shop in the area that cares about ability if it fails down the high way will not patch a motorcycle tire. ATV sure,but a sport bike tire no thank you.
Dayblaze Jr you can patch tubeless tires dude, everyone does it.
you must be extremely wealthy.
No sir. I am a service tech and i recommend replacing it. Im not saying its terrible but i know i don't want to throw my leg over a bike and go rip on it knowing there is a plug in it. honestly its all about safety.
Fantastic! I just did a front tire on my Yamaha Raider and it was great. Thanks for the vid!!
Woops.... 14:16 bam!...educationnal purpose ;-)
Here's a way that should work to start the first zip tie. Stand the tire upright, then force the bottom of the tire downward by putting a piece of 2x4 thru the rim and then standing on the 2x4. The tire will collapse at the bottom and allow the zip tie to easily inserted at the top of the rim.
This looks waaaay harder and more time consuming than just using tire spoons
Excellent.....very cool bead breaker.....and the ZIP TIE idea.....fantastic.
I wonder if you know.....to save cutting your ZIP TIES.....you can unlock the locking tab quite easy with a small thin flat screw driver or the likes.
All that work I rather pay some on 15$ to do it for me
...perhaps incompetently.
Dave Svoboda I can take a rim and tire down to a local shop and they pop it off for 10, and another 10 to throw it back on. Some guys will do it for a coffee, others for free. It takes them a min and its a free lunch for the guy doing it, everyone wins
***** I've seen too many deadly overlooked items to trust my life to the lowest-paid employee. It's not the tires so much as the wheel bearings, and the caliper bolts. Lots of shops like to hang the calipers by the hoses, and those same shops are quite happy to replace the hoses when the crimps for some strange reason start to leak. There are a hundred other little items they can get wrong. I can get them wrong, too, but at least it's my own doing, and not some pimply schlump's.
Dave Svoboda I'm talking about just the tire and rim, do everything yourself but take the tire and rim to a tire shop and let them pop the rubber off in a few min and you're on your way. Do what you want, all I stated is that there are shops who will do it for less money than your time should be worth. Not to sound rude but my time is worth more than taking rubber off a rim. I enjoy working on my car and bike but some things are just not worth the time and hassle.
I agree though, lots of incompetent shops and or employees out there that can and will fuck up your ride.
Edwin Henry Blachford
Lesson: at the Pearly Gates "What you doing here fool?" .. "well I paid a dude to relink my new chain but he fucked up and it cut me in half in a messy way on the freeway".. "Buzz off you loser. Heaven is for guys who give-a-damn.. not some credit card nood with no ability"...
Dude. That video is sooo cool. Kudos.
you never patch a bike tire you replace it
why?
i patched a hole on my rear tire and rode it on a long road trip, riding it hard numerous times on corners. I didnt feel any different compared to before i patched it. And the patch lasted till the end of the tire's life.
+Jez What did you patch it with?
That was a brilliant solution! Of course other may use standard tools and methods, but your method was great instruction for me, not so much for tire repair (I would prefer the plug method) but definately for changing to new tires. Thanks!
No, "rim" is correct. A "wheel" is the whole assembly, but, some marketing geniuses decided they needed to change it. Like bad is awesome instead of bad????? Ever heard of "wagon wheel"? Thats the spokes and everything, WAY before cars came around. Always been called rims and always should. Dont fall victim to the herders, use your brains!! Now, please correct the video! :)
Nope, the metal part is a wheel, the lip around the wheel is the rim, and the rubber compound is a tyre.
Rim: the upper or OUTER EDGE of an object, typically something CIRCULAR or approximately CIRCULAR
Synonyms for rim: brim, edge, lip, border
That concludes your English lesson for the day. My name is Mr. Travis, if you have any questions or comments please write them on a piece of paper and put them in that ceramic seat in the bathroom known as the toilet and press the lever. Thank you.
the zip ties help a lot. try it, it works, much less effort when prying, than just using the spoons, and less chance of damaging the edge of the rim. you can buy re usable zip ties also.
to be young and full of juice.wonderful.experience has taught me a few things in life it is just easier and cheaper to pay to have it done and i am someone who fixes all my belonging including house.this is a pay to have done item and i only include about 15 items in that group.the other one is getting head.its just cheaper to pay the pros
I feel blessed. I take my wheel to the shop nearby and for $25 I got it patched and balanced.
You're lucky, shops near me want $50+ each wheel just to dismount/mount/balance, and that's if I bring them in off the bike. Gets pretty steep when I just paid $300 for tires.
Id never trust a patch on a sports bike tire
Well its a personal preference, if its a small injury, under 1/4 inch then a patch is okay as long as you fill the wound channel withsome glue, a hole larger than that may have cut more of the structure of the tire. I'd patch and inspect and look for any out of roundness that indicates carcass damage. The only time I've ever had to repair is after fitting a new tire and more than 300 miles from home, then pick up a nail/tack/staple/screw, every time...
fastst1 I do my own tire changes, and have a inside-patch kit that I use for flats. (It's like a thick patch, but with a spike that you put through the hole from the INSIDE.) When I take the tire off, I can also determine how nasty the hole is from the carcass inside, and whether I think the patch will reinforce it enough.
fastst1 Indeed, I prefer the inside patch method, dislike the stringy gummy plugs. What you use is what I'd tall the 'Tech tire uniseal' type plug, they work great all around. I'll use the rubber/glue plugs on the roadside and inspect the tire when I get someplace. Tech brand repairs cost more but they hold solidly. Indeed, sometimes the tire is junk.
fastst1 The "Stringy gummy" things are *Temporary only*, Being as you can stow both tools and a 5 pack of plugs it's simply a way to get home without having to get a tow truck or a friend with a truck to come get you. As soon as you get home its advised to take the tire, remove the plug and install one of the inside patches with the "spike on the inside"... For some reason I think they're called "T type patches". I suppose due to the fact from they side they look like a T.
Anyway if you discover the puncture quickly, On more than one occasion I've gotten my plugger ready and loaded, popped out the nail, screw etc, and jammed the plug in. Fast enough I still had enough air to safely ride to the nearest service station to air up.
I have one of the mushroom pluggers but boy you really need to make a big hole, though they seem to work well.
Dynaplug is the best solution for tire repair - very effective and perfect for anyone riding a motorcycle. Cycle Gear carry's the Dynaplug Ultralite repair kit. This enables the rider to plug a puncture like this in about a minute. Very simple! No need to ream the hole any bigger and remove the tire from the rim.
Better off just taking it to a shop and have them remove and fix it and balance it for $20
I wish shops around here did it that cheap. they charge $75 if you buy the tire from them and 100 if you bring you own tire
+Mike Brink The place i use has never damaged a rim and if they did they would get it fixed anyway.I have to go to the shop to buy the tyre anyway so might as well get them to fit it while i am there,works out cheaper then me doing it.
+NEW ZEALAND TRAILRIDING
I wish.
I told a bike shop around here to change mine and i would bring them the tire, once they saw i had a ducati my price doubled.
$20 bucks? Just came back from a shop and they estimated it at $50
95 at the shop close to me
baby powder also works well to lube the tire to break the bead. Laying the tire out in the sun to get hot helps too.