E.J. Dionne, "Why the Right Went Wrong"
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2016
- www.politics-prose.com/book/97...
Dionne’s syndicated column appears twice each week in The Washington Post, and he is a regular NPR commentator, as well as a Brookings senior fellow and author of the award-winning Why Americans Hate Politics, Our Divided Political Heart and other works on American public issues. His seventh book is a profile of Goldwater conservatism from the mid-1960s to today’s Tea Party. Arguing that Goldwater’s ideologically rigorous platform harmed the Republican Party by making it inhospitable to moderates, Dionne shows how successive waves of Goldwater conservatives have eliminated all other definitions of “conservative,” including Bush’s “compassionate” variety and Fourth Way, to the detriment of not only the Party-which speaks exclusively for an older, white demographic no longer representative of the nation-but to American politics as a whole.
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They didn't go "wrong", they're being exposed for who they are and always have been.
"What goes on in the dark shall come to the light.
Yep your right, the dark is coming to light and why is the Left coming up more rotten then the RIGHT. SMH
@@rebajeanforever3700 is that what fox news taught you ?
@@billy-joe4398 Yes, that is exactly what FOX News teaches: Fear and Hate.
@@billy-joe4398 no it’s what you have taught us. The left is always evil because it’s based on insanity. It’s an emotions based attack on reality.
Like you?
That was a Breath of Fresh Air that rattled the Dust of the Thinking Noodle! Poetry for the Age of American Enlightenment!
At 48:40 a fella asks what if Trump wins the nomination...and goes on to win the presidency...and the crowd laughs. It's chilling.
J P -- Trump registered Democrat all his life. And voted for Bill. Then he found a bunch of people who were daft enough to elect him - the religious right
You think THE LEFT is a real thing. LOL.
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I think people know what Trump is - a self-aggrandising narcissist. They preferred him to Clinton
@J P Maybe so but there was a time not so long ago that someone as corrupt and evil could never become president.What kind of bubble do you live in when you vote for a pathological lying rapist.
Conservatives support totalitarianism, authoritarianism, and dictatorship as long as the dictator is a conservative.
.... refreshing with great insights and perspectives regarding historical connections from Goldwater to Reagan, thank you E.J.
It's been at least 25 years since E.J got anything right.
Where conservatisn and the republican party went wrong was when they established an unholy alliance with the evangelical bible thumpers who seek to turn the country into a theocracy.
Excellent point raised by the second-to-last question. Right wing does not necessarily equate to conservative. There are fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, and constitutional conservatives. There is also libertarianism and nationalism, neither of which are particularly "conservative" though they are right of centre. There is nothing inherently "conservative" about cutting taxes while increasing government expenditure while a nation is at war or refusing to perform constitutionally-mandated duties, such as that to advise and consent presidential appointments.
Michael Manning Part of the problem is that you have a two party one size fits nobody system. You need reform, as does my own country the UK.
There's nothing conservative about these people. They're radicals with an extreme agenda. Traditional conservatives during my youth in the 1950s and 60s wouldn't recognize this group and would be mortified by their extreme religious views and military adventurism with no concern for costs, financial and social.
[Full disclosure: I'm a liberal] The Birchers have returned and driven out the William Buckley conservatives.
Michael: Don't forget, Fascists are also right wing
Yes, good point, terminology fails us here.
Any argument used to be able to be squashed by calling it commie or socialist ... today people are learning that by turning away from socialism to this predatory, casino capitalism we have now that the US is the biggest loser nation. Our people do not make enough to support or better themselves, and compared to the rest of the developed world the US is way down on most metrics. Republicans / Conservatives / Libertarians simply do not care - American citizens do not appear on their lists of priorities.
Great introduction, great acknowledgements, great talk.
I grew up a Republican in a very Democratic Party neighborhood but they were committed to Racism, but I thought a great deal and moved very far left. I was not able to stand their attitudes (the Republican Party)! I liked the Eisenhower years, and I celebrate Senator Dirksen!
The word "racist" has for a long time been the single most effective fear-word in the leftist and neoconservative arsenal. For decades, they have successfully used it in the political arena to slander traditionalists, shut down debate, and leave opponents running for cover. In the social arena, they have caused even more damage by using it to brainwash impressionable children and young college students, and to teach white people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves.
Wow he predicted things well
The "Right" never went wrong. They were never right In the first place. Any group of people who cherish hate in their heart and propelled by it, is never right.
To be truthful it's guy's like this that conjured up Trump out of the darkests part's of hell. Nothing has changed one bit here in 2021. even worse in many cases. Thanks guys
Wow. At 51 min, he predicts three states (PA, OH, MI) where Trump "could cut into the Democratic vote". If he'd said WI instead of OH, he would have called the exact states where Hillary lost by less than 100k votes.
little over 6M less votes from '12 to '16. if it wasn't for that. It would have never been that close. Like the 77k votes or whatever it was.
"We, the people" elected Mrs.Clinton to be prez by a margin of 3-million votes. Trump was GIVEN the presidency via the "welfare benefit" for terrorists(slavers) in the USA Constitution, the Electoral College. Trump is the world's biggest "welfare queen".
Wow! Watching this in June 2020. He talks about Trump being alarmingly authoritarian but didn't think he would win... Sadly, he did. Yesterday, Trump threatened to use our military on our own citizens. I fear for this country if he's reelected.
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12 minutes in, still waffling. 'gratitude that grates' ? Nailed it
Great program
a very pleasant man highly intelligent great sense of humour
FUnny how he kept saying America is a country of separation of powers. then I saw this is back in 2016. He didn't know that congress would abdicate.
I love the guy, but at about 11:40 he gets to the book.
The American political scene has been rendered totally outdated and absurd.
One has to think thru ur convictions.
excellent
Would love an update
Its fun to think the folks in the room would soon watch Trump, not just run for office -But win!
I guess to this gentleman- Republicans winning is the definition of "losing their way" or "going wrong."
WOW
Listening in 2022...pretty interesting. I wonder what this author thinks of 1/6?
*The problem is that BOTH sides decided to stop working with the other, starting roughly 40 years ago. Until we can all come together and compromise to attain universally desired goals, nothing will change for either side. The breakdown has difficult origins for a comment section, but it is also destroying our country. Every time we refuse to even talk to each other, we inch just a littler bit closer to a hot (shooting) civil war."
"Both sides", that's rich. There are only two major parties, but there are definitely more than two sides. The GOP exists to cut taxes on and reduce regulations on, corporations and the rich. Period. But this is not a majoritarian position, so they had to grab the fundamentalists, racists and bigots to pad their votes and pass voter restrictions and gerrymandering in the regions they control to maintain that control.
The Democratic party has never been a leftist party, they by and large also serve wealthy donors. Just, not all of them serve the same ones, and the ones they do serve are alright with some social liberalism. The base of the party is increasing progressive, however, not moderate, and are wise to the situation both party establishments have put them in in regards to various forms of debt, a lack of gainful employment, inadequate health care, and a legacy of environmental pollution from industrialization.
The GOP has an expiration date, and the Democratic party is in civil war against its own base because one party cannot serve two masters - the corporate and rich donors have to be taken down and their loyal servants in the party establishment primaried and removed from positions of influence. Once the progressives take over the party, then you can see sane, majoritarian policy implemented.
You're full of crap. We already spend more on machines to blow up foreigners than it would cost to provide proper healthcare and education to all our citizens. "the deficit" is only brought up by republicans when something they don't want us to have is proposed, or by some democrats who fall for the obvious fiction that republicans are spendthrifts on every issue.
The problem is Republicans. Get this enlightened centrist bullshit out of here
@J P how's it going buddy? Still a loyal conservative NPC? Still giving your money and independent thought up to Ben Shapiro and Breitbart?
Did that 30 percent move to Canada yet?
They stopped us at the border.
Canada welcomes them because they clearly understand how democracy is supposed to work.
Canada has enough pinko commies. Live MARINE 1980
@@arymniak1 Not really..your brothers in arms are disenfranchising by force, many native Canadiens over a dirty-ass tar sands pipeline; that's not a pinko communist project, there slappy.. get your priorities straight
@Adolf Hitler na, Bernie is here.
I didn't know that the conservative had a conservative triangulation of moderate like the Democrats had the Clinton triangulation left wing, progressive and FDR democrats. Remembering the Koch groups and others did go after a lot of moderate Republicans taking it to a reactionary party.
Stopped at ~ 24: minutes. E.J. went into the topic of moderate republicans being purged from their party. But our politics have been devastated by continuous gate keeping lefty candidates.
For example "House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer is in hot water with progressives after he was secretly recorded asking one of their preferred candidates to drop out of Colorado’s 6th congressional district primary." USA Today Nicole Gaudiano 4/26/18
Your example in no way proves your point.
Now we know how this guy will govern,
I'm too far left for either political party but I did like Eisenhower although I disagreed with him on most things.
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Wherever a speaker talks sense you will find differing comments. I can t stand the talking point variety. U got a problem with the speaker, come up with an original thought
GREED is our enemy!
Maybe a follow up could be ‘why the left left sanity and science behind’….
And now pur pandimoneum and chaos!
This doc is about a lightyear old
This guy EJ is a major clown shrill, there is nothing this dude will write that has anything to do either objective truths. It’s time to to close Washington post , EJ it all
All god bless u
E.J. Dionne has the wisdom of a professional beltway pundit that gave rise to such statesmen as President Hilary Clinton.
The fact of China has changed the game. What are the new ground rules?
.. welp, that would probably change some bit, now.. eh! It was fun.. somewhat less so now.
Why the Right went too far 😂 left? Or too far Right 😛?
This didn't age well; still interesting.
A follow up talk could be "where the left went Wong"...
Read Chris Hedges for that.
There are about a thousand videos on neoliberalism now
@@elreytriton hello... If you look closer at my comment you'll see it is pure humour... Clue, I didn't misspell Wrong... get it... lol
@@elreytriton
Neoliberalism is right wing so what has that got to do with what the OP said?
@@NathanRyanAllen
Hedges critiques the right more than the left.
The last question speaks of the 80% of the population which is irrelevant to the political machinations as to the top 1% and secondly the 99th percentile to the 80th percentile . Dionne fails to address the ramifications of this political irrelevance sufficiently when he segues to a Peggy Noonan article about the American Family struggling to stay together . Dionne seems to be avoiding the real ramification here which is massive amounts of money perverting what should be democratic politics. The point in response to the last question should have been that the bottom 80 percent of wealth holders in our society have manifestly zero influence upon the political decisions made in our society. And the answer , furthermore, should have been , as far as I am concerned, that we , as a nation must , at our absolute peril, find a way to return to something approaching a real democracy where the voices of the citizenry are heard and carry real influence.
One can't see the point of voting when every angle of gerrymandering (harassing election officials, invading school boards, outside money supporting targeted players, choosing losers) of election winning has been detected, data refined & adapted. Vast sums of money, much of it anonymous & surreptitious, legal & unreported, now are necessary entrance pay to play. Representative gov & checks & balances guards & warning signs are rendered quaintly ersatz (e.g. McConnell, KY). Money/individual ego/power rules.
the guy giving the introduction looks like an old man with male pattern baldness...
“Why did it take three days for him to rise?” 🙊
J
Amazing interpretation of facts. Question is how much influence is the Frankfurt school Marxist inspired philosophy prevalent today . Fascist methodology seems to be from the left.
But we won in 2016.
7:30 Why do I halfway suspect that the independent bookseller "comeback" resembles a NHL wide received slammed so hard to the turf, the he almost bounces back up far enough to stand on his own two feet again, only _just a little_ worse for wear?
From a Left Winger,typical!
Dont be so gloomy about us destroying you
Trump doesn't want to make his finances public because much of his campaign was funded by Deutsche Bank; a bank that assisted the Nazis during the holocaust by helping to pay for the construction of the camps among other things.
After the mortgage crisis where the US financial cos bundled the junk mortgages & sold them to Deutsche Bank they have no interest in US finance much less funding politic in this country.
@@leenelson303 They literally did though. That's not my opinion that's the paper trail. Watch the P&P video on 'Dark Towers'.
I normally like Politics and Prose, but sometimes they allow these intellectuals who have a lot to say, but say nothing, get a platform to waste my time.... Damn.
All surface blather and talking points narrative. No fundamentally new analysis.
This was very much bla, bla, bla, bla…blæ, blæ, blæ, bæ, bæ, bbæ… word diarrhea!
No such thing as a moderate republicans. There’s no such thing as a moderate. Just someone to coward to say which side they’re really one.
Shuttup
One think I'm sure of is, I wouldn't like to come between a Trump voter (who rages against globalisation) and a cheap TV from the Far East!
Sorry. After the third "God bless..." in as many minutes, I lost interest. Meh.
Rude
Little did we know what was coming. In 2020, can we still self- correct after Trump.
This man could not have been more wrong about more things about how far the rightwing evangelicals would stoop to keep American white, christain, and ultra- conservative. Oh, did I say WHITE.
The left has left us to think they are right
The first ten to fifteen minutes is pure windbaggery--long intro speaker followed by the main speaker thanking everybody and everything under the sun, followed by more wind-bagging about what he will be talking about. Just get to it, no one has that kind of time to waste anymore.
Rude
Isn't this his hometown kickoff, premier opening celebration of his book? which would explain the excitement.
Just the other day a liberal I know told me that she thinks philosophy is stupid. I asked her if that means she thinks logic and epistemology and ethics and aesthetics are stupid. She had no answer and just looked at me with that stupid blank look that liberals have when their programming fails them. So I said that she couldn't blame me for thinking she's stupid if she thinks logic and epistemology and ethics and aesthetics are all stupid. We aren't friends anymore; how could we be when she thinks that thinking itself is stupid?
Not sure what your point is.. You describe the behavior of someone that you claim was your friend, (but no longer) while pointing her out as a "liberal". Are you suggesting she's stupid BECAUSE she may think of herself as a liberal? Here's a structured question for you: What are you trying to say, James Edward S.?
James, she is a failed sophomore in her Philosophy 101 class.
Maybe she needs to be on that Biblical nutritionist diet 😂😂😂😂
We need analysts to create the language of commonality between an ever more polarized political landscape. Dionne is "forking" his arguments like the 13 year old with his father. One sided, short sighted.
No. Just need less retarded conservatives. They can't be reasoned with
You also need to bring someone in to discuss how the "left" has become a source of ridicule in the US and how the left is failing at everything even at caucusing lol. Sure Trump has been awful... but Hilary isn't exactly a prophet either... please... "how the left lost everything it had". Good.
The left is the lesser of 2 evils by a landslide
The problem with that argument is that Hillary isn't a leftie and neither are the Democrats who fucked it all up. They are right wing, corporatist whores hence why people like Sanders have spent their lives fighting against these corrupt assholes.
But compared to the GOP there is no question that they are the lesser of two evils.
No such thing as radical right. The moderates in the left have a monopoly on that.
Claiming that conservatives promise to change ethnicity to what it was in the 1940s is pure liberal diatribe.
Oh the irony. As we watch the D party completely disintigrate as it swings far far left and becoming irrelevant.
Trump is out in November. The only thing Trump had going for him was riding the the success of the Obama economy and low unemployment, both are in the can now.
@@storbokki371 Sure. And Hillary was going to win, and orange Man eats children.
@@555Trout so you have no arguments against what I said, and instead can only spout gibberish. That's what I expected.
@@storbokki371 uh huh, I'm the one spouting "gibberish". Uh huh.
@@555Trout yep. Trump's legacy:
- repeal and replace = fail
- muslim ban = fail
- republican tax cut = fail. rewarded the wealthiest 1% who were already making money hand over fist. the middle class were left out. The national debt continued to go up despite that fact that it makes sense to payoff the debt during "prosperous" economies.
- drain the swamp = fail, (hired 7 goldman sachs bankers and several cronies with no qualifications other than they donated large amounts to his campaign. requires loyalty to him, not the country or constitution. Trump's swamp 2.0).
- massive deregulation including but not limited to clean water and air standards. Corporations can pollute more easily, republicans cheer!
- Russia hoax = fail, many of his campaign admitted after lieing several times including to the FBI that they did in fact meet with russians to get dirt on hillary. Conclusive evidence has shown Russia did hack the DNC, and interfere with the 2016 election and continues to do so.
- most corrupt administration with at least 10 former members locked up now.
- Lock her up! = fail, Hillary has been the most vetted politician in living memory. Investigated numerous times and no crime found. (and I don't even like here for my own reasons)
- Republicans still screech "Bengazi" even though it has been investigated by congress repeatedly and no crime found. Meanwhile republicans in congress would not investigate Tongo Tango. (go ahead, look it up. you probably already forgot. hypocrite)
- Impeached Dec. 18, 2019
- First president to lose three war campaigns in one term (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria) while turning new allies against us.
- First President to surrender to a non-state actor (negotiated a "deal" with the Taliban to release 5000 Taliban fighters from custody, and GTFO of Afghanistan. In return, the Taliban agreed not to attack us too hard as Trump ran with his tail tucked between his legs.
- Trump has pardoned four war criminals against the advice of the Pentagon. All convicted or charged with murder for separate incidents.
- Planned on running in 2020 on great economy and low unemployment. both went in the shitter now.
- Trump has never achieved even a 50% favorable presidential approval rating, hovering close to only 40% his whole term. But his small trump cult continues to hold on to their hate.
- Trump has a laundry list of crimes to be charged with when he leaves office and is no longer protected by the AG he keeps in his pocket.
What a load of crap!
E.J. Dionne talks about moderation and respect missing from our current politics at 1:07. Then he jumps the shark and quote Hilary Clinton!!! My Lord...... Moderation and respect make up the conservative agenda. How can it be missing? Dionne speaks in broad strokes but fails to be specific.
E.J. was right to be concerned about the extreme right takeover of the Republican party, but I wonder how he feels about the recent takeover of the Democratic Party by Progressive Extremism.
Progressivism isn't an extremist idea. Progressivism is a political philosophy in support of social reform. It is based on the idea of progress in which advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.
@@storbokki371 Yes, but enlightenment progressivism can become extremist, i.e., belief in tech & economy & science as salvation, easy fixes that avoid real world policy solutions. Banning toxic chemical use & dumping, dependence on oil, plastic waste & litter, water & air quality, manufacturer or product responsibility, cleanup & disposal, etc.
@@marileesteele1804 You have no idea what you're talking about.
All these comments are from 2yrs ago. Can't find anything recent about this forum. Which speaks to the legitimacy of these words. I'm not trying to be devil's advocate but a lot of words doesn't make you right and the boots on the ground are drastically against you. If the left could just try to take the boot off of the throat of everyone involved we could all get back to the balance government was intended to be. You get what you give. Stop putting pressure on an entire group to make yours more powerful. What you espouse and are offended by is exactly what you do. No responses in two years says it all. You're not that intriguing because your thoughts aren't interesting anymore. People have caught on. And I'm a liberal. You're a liar