The Truth about Switching to Linux
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
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00:00 - Am I dumb for not getting Linux
04:05 - What most IT Pros think of Linux .
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How to use Adobe applications on Linux:
1. Get a job at Adobe
2. Work your way up to CEO
3. Tell someone to make it work on Linux
*Gets fired immediately*
@@AbyssalSodahold on, is it possible to fire the CEO? Who is above him? Oh, right, his wife
@@lowspender147 Nah the investors can literally fire the CEO, it all depends on what person or group holds the most shares, in many companies that's not the CEO.
I think there's two things that determine whether a user will be able to fully switch to Linux. The obvious one is that you're not "married" to a Windows-only application/game. The second, more important one is whether or not you have a lot of time that you're willing to "waste" during the adjustment/transition period.
@Samm Salvey I have 2 very specific applications that I can think of that will not run in Linux. 1 is QuickBooks, the company I work for still uses the desktop version and it was a complete nightmare the last time I tried. 2 is a video software that hooks directly with the camera hardware we use on our network. The web GUI on the units work, but it is super clunky and lacking features that the desktop client gives you.
As far as the time adjustment, mine was slightly easier because I've had a larger background than most in the command line. My biggest hurdles were where everything is stored - drive mount points, file shares, "manually" (make) installed applications, the logs for X program - and tweaking the desktop environment to a workflow I could look at/use regularly without the urge to tweak that one random thing that was bugging me. Interestingly enough, trying to bootstrap a full system in Gentoo without a kernel tarball (very early deployment) helped me learn the command line, and gave me a basis to learn Arch and never touch a fully compile to install system again at the same time. 😂 I allow myself to distro hop once a year and have found that most of the time I spend wasting now is pushing the limits of what non-native app I can install, or understanding the choices/workflow behind a new system. I hated the new Gnome when it first launched and then quickly got over that after seeing Unity, and discovering it was something that was worse in my eyes. I've run KDE, XFCE, LXQT, Enlightenment, even xMonad and i3 before stopping back on Gnome and seeing how it fits my use case without major changes after being on the other DE/WMs. Finding something that works for you and making it yours is always time consuming and, most of the time worth it.
I switch to linux full time because I hate windows with a passion. In fact, I remove windows every time I get a new pc.
@@DV-ml4fm my LAST win install, I hacked the registry, and at the top of every window was the line; "Bill Gates Is The Anti-Christ" (the wife was not amused)
I left Win in 2019 and haven't looked back
It's hard if your work uses Windows. Knowing two systems can be a pain. I hate windows and google and apple so Linux is my home. Just wish we could get an effective Linux smart-phone.
The transition time for me was about a week or so. Though I am tech savvy and can come up with hax to make i.E. my Pen Monitor work.
I used to feel the same but over time i've figured out solutions to my issues and now i'm fine running linux full time.
@Samm Salvey Like getting it to work with certain hardware, getting games to run, finding software alternatives etc...
@@leemanwrong What softwares do you use and its alternatives? Can you list down? Maybe I can use some of it.
@Samm Salvey Yeh getting games to run is the most challenging thing for me on linux. I was fully immersed in the microsoft ecosystem so i had to find alternatives for their software like office, edge, teams and then other software like winrar, rufus and disk utilities like paragon and acronis.
@@leemanwrong I see
I was thinking of switching these past months but kept forgetting I can just transfer all the important stuff to the other two drives so I was scared of losing my data for no reason. Steam games should work just fine... I should find a nice IDE for C# stuff... Or maybe I can properly run the Visual Studio thing now without lagging...
Most of the population sucks though, I'd never use them as a compass. Also let's not pretend that Windows is so intuitive, it's just habits that you learned while you were younger.
Amen bro. I feel you on the workspaces. Its so damn satisfying to flip through workspaces.
What I've primarily found switching over to Linux is that whatever I could do in Windows, I can do about 90% of that in Linux. Whether that be running open source programs that worked on both or finding an open source alternative to it's windows counterpart. That being said, there's just certain things that don't work on Linux and I'm still going to have to use Windows in some capacity.
The best thing IMO for anyone considering the move is:
- Start to use open source software to begin with (Libre Office, Firefox, Thunderbird etc)
- Have a dedicated Linux machine and live in that for a time.
There's two reasons for this: You'll work out what you need to run and if you come across an issue, find a solution then and there by searching and fixing it on the spot. You'll learn some things along the way.
But I think 90% on Linux is still a better alternative than 100% on Windows.
When you're an artist you can do about 15% of what you can do on Windows in Linux. I am still looking for someone who has a viable means to solve this issue. Dozens of integral pieces of art software are simple unsupported.
@@AbyssalSoda Using Windows software on Linux can be a pain and sometimes plain impossible. Have you scoped out alternate Linux drawing software first? Have you tried to run it in WINE? Linux isn't Windows and that's where a lot of people make the mistake. Have a look at a distro like Ubunutu Studio or MX Linux - those two have a lot of production type apps included and specifically geared towards Artists whether that be drawing, video or audio.
@@peterschmidt9942 Some art software is irreplaceable due to upfront investment and workflows. There are a few programs I could sacrifice but many I'd be unable to. I agree though Linux isn't a true alternative because of this; MacOs is, but it that has its own drawbacks.
I use the Adobe Creative Suite, Embergen, GAEA, Clip Studio Paint, Paint Tool SAI, Blender, Plasticity, Zbrush, Maya, Marmoset, Substance, Houdini.
Thank you for making a video that I can refer to every time switching to Linux comes up. This encapsulates it perfectly.
Windows 11 is pushing me to learn how to deal with Linux. I now have an old lap top running Linux Mint, and I am starting to like it. I even have a couple of Windows applications running under Wine. I will soon be installing Linux on my desktop as dual boot. The transition is slow but interesting, but I couldn't have done it without Microsoft's help pushing me forward with each "feature" they add to Windows.
A lot depends on your needs. I was using mostly free and open applications by year 2008, so a move to Ubuntu was pretty trivial. Unlike "windows," it just keeps running. What I didn't anticipate are the repositories. There's almost no need to hop around Web sites searching for software. If it's a distribution-approved application, it may already be installed. If not, the package manager will get it upon request.
Here is my experience switching to linux about 2-3 years ago: (sorry if this is a little long, I hope this helps someone decide though...)
0. First of all, why I switched to linux. I had been using wsl for all my programming needs ever since wsl came out for the first time. I was there for the transition from wsl1 to wsl2 and had wsl break on me a few times, rendering my workflow completely useless. I was still only using npm at that time, so it was nothing I cant make use of on windows. I was also having some problems with windows updates, where they will fail several times before actually succeeding, and my laptop had just recently been completely wiped while it was updating with no way to recover any of the data (included some documents which I cant find to this day, I regret not instantly backing them up instead of waiting for my weekly schedule). All this while my keyboard layout would get switched to English International without me asking, and no way to get rid of it via settings. So I did some digging around and found some registry tweaks to solve this issue. Now this is where the problem happened, the keyboard layout was gone, but then none of windows core apps worked, not even settings. This is when I finally broke down, and installed linux mint. I did not even bother backing up my data, just a clean slate.
1. I was quickly able to get my dev environment working on linux mint. I installed npm and node. Python was already on there and I downloaded VSCode. I also started tweaking the cinnamon desktop and was able to make it look quiet pretty. Overall, I didnt have any issues with my work setup, but I did learn git cli and docker cli, which didnt take more than 15 minutes maybe.
2. On the topic of ricing, I switched over to bspwm and absolutely loved it. My workflow slowly started to feel like an extension of my body. I would think something and it would happen almost instantly on the desktop, my fingers were getting routed with good muscle memory.
3. I had used lutris before, on my chromebook. So I knew that gaming on linux can be somewhat viable. What I did not expect was valve and proton. The only game I missed was genshin, but my preferred genre of video games changed drastically as my schedule changed. I started enjoying more metroidvania style inde games, with occasional warframe or csgo. All of which worked perfectly.
4. I got a backup drive on my PC, and moved all my data over there. This is so I can make the switch to arch linux. I have been toying with arch in a vm for a while at that point, and was ready to make the switch. And switch I did. I have been very careful with updates and always trying to keep on top of news, so I have so far never bricked my system since using linux.
TLDR: I switched to linux due to my windows workflow being absolutely unusable, and since I had an unusable experience on windows, I never felt that I was missing anything on linux. It always felt like an upgrade. I understand that I just got extremely lucky, and most people will have a tough time switching, but I do still recommend. Burning all the bridges (completely wiping my windows drive) actually did help a bit I think. I probably still would have not adjusted to linux if I gave myself the opportunity to dual boot and go back to windows.
Nice to hear, can you elaborate on bspwm part? How exactly did it improve your workflow compared to cinnamon/Plasma?
@@ShinigamiDa it mostly just came down to having very few keybinds which are just muscle memory to me now. The lack of animations made everything feel a lot more responsive and I liked the whole tiling feature. I am not saying this is not achievable on plasma, I just happened to try out bspwm and loved it. And I got used to it completely.
It honestly took me a long time to fully "get" and acclimate myself in the linux ecosystem. And now that I've managed to wrap my head around a few things I honestly already find troubleshooting some stuff in windows cumbersome. I still do have windows dual-booted though since I have some high quality printing-related stuff that are missing a lot in linux.
The main thing I always tell my friends who want to try out some linux distros is always make sure to setup backups first before messing around with the system.
I'm glad Valve pushes Proton big time.
Sure it doesn't help with say Oculus VR headsets or external anticheat but it helps me staying on Linux most time if I feel that way.
Thanks to winbtrfs, using the same Steam SSD for both Windows and Linux is possible but using both for twenty years... I got used to both as well and don't mind either side.
It's just willingness to commit. Like you said, it's true commitment. You can use office with wine, xpdf is far superior, gimp will be no issue for a photoshop user. The gamer will be the person needing to keep a dual boot. Steam is kind of changing that though...
You can use office 2016 with wine, if you need to run anything more recent it's either going to be in a browser if you have a 365 license or in a VM.
I agree this 100% For me it was easy because I never really used proprietary stuff except Steam. I am one of those who love to tinker stuff and it feels good as hell every day. But if you don't have time and patience to learn new stuff Linux is not your thing.
As a long time Windows user, I needed to switch to Linux for work. I can say, yes, it has a learning curve, but using Ubuntu helps a lot. Also you can find almost anything if you need it. Using a customized terminal using Nala and Starship. Customized almost the entire UI, and added some useful tweaks, by watching a lot of YT videos.
Conclusion:
Though it can be hard as a daily driver, Linux is growing on me. Found myself using the laptop with Linux a lot more when I'm not gaming.
Games performance is the main reason I still double boot Windows. Other software is replaceable most of the time, walking that hard path of finding new ones. AlternativeTo has help me a lot with that. Thank you for the videos
That was a good video. It is true I sometimes forget how hard Linux can be. My daily driver is windows but I have been useing linux for all most 25 years. it has taken me that long to get to where I am now with Linux. I am not a young man anymore but you can steal learn Linux.
Your Right my friend
My current issue is surround sound on linux, as well as installing gpu drivers on Manjaro. The rx 560 I have didn't perform well in Manjaro, my surround sound kinda worked in Manjaro. In nobaro my gpu worked great, but my surround sound didn't work at all.
It took me the better part of 5 years jumping back and forth before I finally had a working setup and comfort to jump straight to Linux full-time. Like others here have posted, I use it because starting dev environments for the systems I use at work is an exponentially easier task in Linux than Windows.
As far as application differences. I fell in love with Gimp on Windows because I didn't have the money for Adobe and didn't want to try a virus laden crack just to have a decent image editor. I've been lucky that the platform as a whole has moved into a more usable space for me and the apps I use daily. Most of the apps I use are cross platform (VSCode, Libre Office, browsers, putty for serial terminals, etc.) Even some of the niche software for various systems release a Linux client now. I even have several utilities that are windows only that tell you either what setting need to change; or just work in Wine.
I still get frustrated daily, and tinker with a LOT of failures before getting some things right. Yes it's easier when you start learning where to look to troubleshoot on your system, but that's all learning curve. I steer friends and colleagues to Mainstream "easy" starter distros. I talk about what I use, but know that 90% of people are not going to be able to keep up on a system/knowledge I've built and tweaked over the decade since I first booted a live CD to play around. I think I still have a version 3 or 4 Ubuntu CD I purchased, hiding in some forgotten stack of CDs. A lot of people in the community tend to forget what it was like starting out. A lot of people have also gotten used to the struggle of doing something in a different way than what seems to be intuitive on the outside. Is it always easy? No, but is it better than having ads streaming directly to your start menu? I think it is. For me, it's worth the time and effort I've put in. If you're expecting a magic change for anything other than browsing the Internet a fraction more safely, then this experiment is not going to last long. If you truly want to ditch Windows and think it's worth the challenge, stick with it. Like most things in life, the fight is usually worth the gains you get along the way.
Oh, and before I forget. I still have a Windows workstation loaded at work for the business tools that absolutely will not run in Linux. I'm looking at you Not-so-QuickBooks.
Well said.
The easy distros are no worse to learn than Windows and there are fewer annoying surprises This was not the case 20 years ago, but now things are pretty smooth. Yeah, learning something is a pain for some people, for others it is a pleasure to use their brain for something other than to keep their skulls from collapsing from atmospheric pressure.
Linux Mint is like windows but not by microsoft. Pretty much everything someone would need to do OS wise already has a GUI to control it with, so it really is the "I want Linux but don't touch me with that command prompt crap" distro.
@@LawlessNate I currently use Manjaro Linux, and I find it as easy to use as Linux Mint. I like both actually, and it was a tough choice picking one over the other. I have an old Apple Mac that I installed LMDE 5 on, but set it up with XFCE instead of Cinnamon, for performance reasons.
Really good short summary of the Linux situation - thanks 😄I've been a Linux user for so long now, I don't even know how to use Windows any more. Also - most of the sys-admins I see these days all use MacBooks. Same with most of the dev teams I see - all of them are using M1 or M2 MacBooks. If folks are happy using Windows, just stick to Windows.
So if I have 500 Gib free space then my partition can be this way:
/boot 2 Gib
/boot/efi 2 Gib
/ 496 Gib
Is it Ok?
Tried to install Zorin OS on bare metal desktop with 4 monitors. Never got it working after spending an entire weekend trying.
Well, I made the switch a couple of weeks ago. Since I'm working on Linux servers for years, i gave it another shot. And I mean it's great, the last time I really visited Linux Desktop was maybe 5 years ago and it has improved a lot! The only issue I'm having so far is CAD modelling, but I'm doing this by no means professional, only for hobby use. I'm trying to learn onshape now, but it's a cloud solution and by far less intuitive than AutoDesk Inventor.
I've been an MS user since DOS days. I slowly transitioned to Linux (live boot -> dual boot -> windows with all foss apps -> finally daily driving linux) and I love it. Its fun, its exciting, new stuff coming out all time, love the workflow - just love it as much as (if not more) I love gaming - best of all, its MY LINUX (Fedora ftw).
What I love about Linux desktop is MATE, Konsole, Pluma and middle-click to paste without copying first. I cheat and I use middle-click pasting in the terminal and even in vim. Usually the desktop is a bunch of browser windows and a bunch of terminal windows. The occasional Pluma window (the OG version of GEdit), IntelliJ IDEA and VS.Code. From Windows, I miss VS, the games, and Winkey+R, Winkey+R - calc, but on Linux I have 4 virtual desktops, and python3 to replace calc. For gaming, I have a separate Windows gaming PC with a 9-year-old GPU, and the Linux machines are on Intel integrated graphics.
I use Ubuntu, and it's amazing!
I started out with linux back in the 90's and switched to windows when I started to game a bit. After that phase I went back to linux again.
Your video is spot on, windows is pretty intuitive but kinda "locked down" unless you know what you're doing whereas linux is more like "If you mess something up it's on you". Linux doesn't treat you like a fool but trusts you... if that makes sense.
These days Linux gaming is really awesome
Try it out
@user ???
Have you actually tried it?
Linux gaming has come a long way these days.
There are many native games these days and also if it is not a lot of developers are optimizing their games for proton. Heck even non-tested Games run just fine through proton.
On my end basically any game runs just perfectly fine on my rig. No matter if it's native or running through proton.
I have no issues regarding performance.
The only issue is anti Cheat solutions but fixes are getting rolled out gradually.
So yea you have proton, dxvk, Vulkan, vkd3d and thanks to all these solutions and thanks to valve it is possible to be a main Linux gamer without basically any issues these days.
That thing about hating Linux desktop and Windows server and loving Windows Desktop and Linux Server I feel so much because wanting to spin up a server is the only reason I am even looking at Linux, I just want access to my files on all my machines without needing to upload my files to someone else's hardware and need to deal with the data usage back and forth as well as trust someone else's security, not that my security will be better but a corporate cloud is a bigger target than a little home lab.
I love that you're honest, this is a very unbiased and straight-forward opinion. RUclips is being flooded with the "Switch to Linux if you hate all the windows 11 BS. It's /sooo/ easy." videos, and while I /do/ hate everything I hear about Windows 11 and MS, Linux might only be "easy" to certain types of people. People who don't have specific needs that only really good enough/work at all on windows, and either have very basic needs of just installing and running cross-platform applications/games like browser/office/etc software, or have enough technical know-how and patience to learn how to make things work and deal with annoyances popping up. They wax on about how there's alternatives to /everything/ when that's both true and false, just because there might be an alternative to something doesn't mean it'll be fully featured or stable, or doesn't look like like a kludged together solution spread across like a half dozen programs/config files instead of being mostly self-contained.
The problem I'm facing with switching to Zorin OS is more than just compatibility and user friendly experiences, but also the fact that I have had to face numerous errors and crashes without being able to identify the problem or make a concrete workaround. Everytime I boot up the computer, I see all these error messages before Zorin OS finally boots up. I don't know what to do at this point, and it's driving me nuts! Even worse is what Microsoft plans to do with Windows going forward, so changing back to Windows isn't even an option anymore.
I have been a developer for 24 years now, the first 20 of which I used Windows at work and Linux only part time as a hobby. I am very happy I made the full switch 3+ years ago and do not touch Windows at all other than when assisting family members.
I needed to spend a ton of time on getting things up the way I like, but I quickly felt much more productive on Linux, even when things were not 100% polished in the beginning. I think the main problem is the overwhelming amount of choice, one needs to restrain oneself a bit in order not to get bogged down and be pragmatic. My current choices (EndeavourOS + KDE Plasma, Neovim with NvChad based config as an IDE, kitty terminal and zsh with a lot of aliases) make the experience really great and snappy. There are just a few minor gripes I had over time, the worst being getting my bluetooth headphones to connect and staying connected.
I love simple interfaces and working in the terminal using Unix-y tools. I don't think Windows can offer a comparable experience in that regard. But depending on what someone uses on a daily basis, what peripherals one is using or which software may need to run, it may make sense to stay with Windows or iOS. (Btw. all my Steam games apart from one run just fine on my Linux desktop.)
I came from a loooong period of MacOS to Linux. I migrated begin 2023.
My best IT decision of over a decade! I am so happy!
I started with Linux in 2005. The way I did it is - 2 computers and one was Windows. I slowly switched most of what I was used to working with Windows, to Linux. However, to this day I am doing my CAD drafting on Windows. There are just some things that can't yet be fast enough or smooth enough on Linux. Yes, I can do CAD on Linux but I am not ready yet to change my habits and ways to switch that part to Linux. And that is fine wit me. This way worked for me and maybe it will work for you. One thing is for sure. The variety of choices in Linux and without spending a dime, will never be true for Windows.
Good video.
Is that IRC? what client are you using? :)
Chris, sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparkle motion
The skill ceiling for desktop Linux will vary somewhat based on the user needs. Just basic web browsing, email, and work processing isn't terribly difficult at all. In some ways, it's easier. Then there are other aspects of Linux desktop which really do have a high ceiling.
The real killer for me is Visual Studio. I'm a long term VS pro user and while you can do a lot of what you need in Codium, it's just missing some of the bells and whistles. I really think if it weren't for that I could walk away and not look back. Do you have any experience with Jetbrains Rider? I've heard very good things about it (yes, yes, it's a paid subscription model).
did you mean visual studio or visual studio code?
yes i heard visual studio is great once it's loaded, but can't say same about vs code
Minimal windows VM should do the job I guess.
A few days ago I switched to linux, started with arch and im already getting the hang of it, using awesomewm its also my first time using a wm, its not windows and I’m happy about that, it I ever need to use windows I have a wm
I've somehow managed to skirt the line of dumb, but also being on Linux. I had to give up Affinity suite (Adobe alternatives) and ironically got Photoshop to work on Linux. For months I've just gone full-commitment with only designing at work PCs. Now, months later with the decision to upgrade my own PC stuff... I've experienced so much difficulty trying to get windows 11 to install... than either one of the 3 different flavor Linux USB sticks. At least now I can dual boot into Win11 and a fresh install feels nice... but I barely use it xD
I converted over to Linux from the Mac with no regrets. A lot of open source apps are available on MacOS, Windows, and Linux. I researched and tried them all out while on the Mac, and ended up converting to them while still on the Mac. So I think seeing if one can accept the open source software alternatives first as a key milestone before considering a move to Linux.
By the time I migrated over to Linux, it was just a formality, as almost all my apps were ready to go. I only had a select few that were new to me (Linux only).
Doing as much of the conversion before switching out the OS was really helpful.
That's exactly how I moved from Windows to Linux. That's one of the best strategies. Even while on Windows I used FOSS software mostly for my workflows. Thankfully I could find all my necessary software having a Linux counterpart. So migrating to Linux was less challenging. I am not a gamer so it was even easier. The only problem I had was the lack of a good pdf reader. I was used to pdfXchange viewer and could not find a drop in replacement until I found Master pdf editor which comes quite close. Also before installing Linux on the hardware, I ran it on the VM for a couple of months and then transitioned. But this is highly subjective. I guess I was lucky enough to have used software which were drop in replacements but this transition is not as painless for many, depending on what their requirements are. However I faced some hardware issues which I had to troubleshoot and I guess this is where a Windows user may get discouraged. Here are some issues I faced when I switched to Linux Mint 20.3.
1. The machine refused to power down. It got stuck on the shutdown process. Switching to a different kernel has made the problem less severe. The machine still does not shut down but reboots and I have to press the power button to turn off the machine when it reboots to the BIOS.
2. Severe screen tearing issues while running OBS studio. I had to tweak the vertical sync settings to get rid of this issue.
3. The wifi would refuse to come up on a boot and I had to switch on the Wifi manually every time. Blacklisting a driver in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf got rid of that issue.
4. The brightness was turned all the way up and I could not adjust the brightness. Creating an Xorg.conf file and adding some settings there solved the issue.
5. Mint 20.3 installed but failed to write the boot section. I had to use a recovery disc to repair the GRUB for the machine to boot.
So yes there are challenges but once one is past it, Linux runs like a charm. I have no regrets and will never switch back to Windows.
This is why I still have a Windows install on a separate SSD just for Warzone LOL. I've never even opened a browser on it.
Thanks, Chris. But when I came to Linux I found it to be exactly what I wanted. But then I was using StarOffice, the GIMP, and whatever FLOSS I could find while using Windows. Warty Warthog Ubuntu was perfect and I installed over Windows and haven't used Windows at all since.
Daily driving fedora for a week now, and am having a hard time optimizing the power usage of my laptop 😥. Thus the only thing that's bothering me about fedora (Linux)..
it took me a month, maybe, but I'm still running Linux as a daily driver. I still use Microshaft Accel, I still play Microshaft Solitaire's Daily Challenges, on an old laptop via VNC.
*Access, not Accel... derp!
I *could* make a new database in Libre, but so far I've been too f'n lazy.
Im a macOS user and I really want to switch to Linux, am I crazy?
Testing Zorin OS which is an improvement over my previous trial of Ubuntu to see if I can switch to Linux and avoid Windows 11 and avoid trashing my still good hardware. Don't have coding experience and am so dependent on my Windows 10 setup that it is a slog. I have tested a setup of Zorin OS and Win 10 dual boot and another test of Zorin OS 16 with Win 10 running in Virtual Box which works well but I still have run into roadblocks which I am still working through. Some days I just want to give up and buy a new computer running Win 11 and say forget it.
I don't know if not finding my MS sw in Linux is the issue. For example I'm installing Linux on an old machine to use Linux cnc... the problem with Linux is that everything is so damn difficult to do... to install a simple program I need to find a tutorial and follow through a lot of terminal commands (20% of them will not work and will require their own tutorials to sove). This is frustrating as hell... At the end, the final installed program is so ugly that it just breaks my heart. I don't know... sometimes paying for SW is not that bad (if you're not getting such a struggle and you're having a pleasant experience using it)
I recently made the switch and most things for me were a seamless transition. I use edge for work and it works well with Linux, same with teams and vs code. Getting my git repo synced on linux was easier than in Windows, so was syncing up AWS codecommitt
I just upgraded my back up PC (Intel i7 6700k 4.0Ghz Quad w/64GB Ram) GTX1080 GPU from Windows 10 to Zorin 17.1 pro. As an old OS/2 fan boy I'm in heaven.
Chris gets it, not everyone can do the change. But some people is too stubborn to get that.
What i hate the most when using linux is the fragmentation, from software, due to we having dif distro philosophies, it also hurts sw availability across all distros, in case of ubuntu i have tuxedo control that i really like that when in case of using on fedora is not quite the same, this and many other things lel.
I haven't found the perfect experience yet, and in the last several weeks I've used Mint (Cinnamon) and Fedora (Gnome). The ramp up on each was pretty short, maybe an afternoon of tinkering to get data copied over and apps installed so I could do the browsing and gaming that I primarily do.
I still have Windows 10 installed, but haven't booted it since I started trying Linux, and I know it won't be viable long term due to my machine not being compatible with W11. So I'll continue to use Linux. I didn't want to distro hop, but my experience has been different enough with Fedora to justify it (Elden Ring runs much better). Up next is probably the KDE spin of Fedora, or maybe Budgie or Cinnamon if that doesn't feel right. Fedora with Gnome has had some odd crashes that are turning me off a bit that I didn't have with Mint, so the hopping shall continue.
I like Mint, and it'd be what I'd opt for to set up my dad's PC, but the slower update cadence isn't great for gaming, even with my not terribly new hardware.
Started with dual boot but since switching to Linux I haven’t touched my windows can do everything on Linux. Always been in to tinkering my iPhone since the early days of jailbreaking so Linux is perfect for me.
I just switched and solved problems. I remeber I created Windows VM to compile Minecraft plugin and didn't know how to do it in GNU/Linux. Then when after long time trying and doing random things I figured it out. Solution was easy and easier thab on Windows.
This month, the same happened with ROCm on my rx6600. I wanted to use SD on Arch Linux. Then after lots and lots of time I switched to Nobara Linux. I don't like dnf but it is going to get speed boost, so I will have no reasons to leave that distro. Shutdowns and Restarts were very slow on Arch Linux.
I find it funny how most points would definitely also apply for someone switching between Mac OSX and Windows, thus being in fact pretty much unrelated to Linux per se, if you stick to a "beginner friendly" distro with a full blown DE. I understand that most people have a low tolerance for change of habits, but it speaks more of MS's commercial and cultural monopoly than objective superiority of the OS in terms of "quality of life".
Given to children, GNOME per example doesn't make any less sense than Windows, at least in the 5 cases I witnessed. My grand-parents have been daily driving it for 4 years without even a small issue while they literally broke Windows three times in the same time frame before. Now they even actively keep their system up to date.
I believe that some forms of Linux are actually much easier, more straightforward and stable than Windows or MacOSX could ever be for people with very basic computer needs (aka 90% of PC users). I believe users with a relatively good experience of another OS and much more specific needs and a very flawed or unreasonable idea as to how to fill them are the ones making up the whole "Linux is complicated and quirky" fable.
There's indeed an argument to be made for proprietary software tho. But all it takes is more people to switch to Linux for software makers to consider Linux versions, it's that simple.
Linux has, per example, become a MUCH better platform than MacOSX is for gaming with just a little corporate effort, I don't think it would take that much to get other sectors in line.
That's the point of view of someone who's been exposed to all three OS's as a kid (starting at MacOS 8.6, Linux Kernel 2.0 on KDE 1.0 and Win98).
I've used linux for years. I don't miss windows at all. When I get a new pc, the first thing I do is install linux by removing windows.
I wanted to switch to Linux way back in 2012, but I play WoW and it didn't work at that time. Also, I also wanted to be able to work remotely, but the .ico file that my job required to use for remote connections wouldn't work on Linux, so I went back to Win 7. It wasn't until I stopped working that job and didn't need Windows for work, and then, WoW was able to be played on Linux using Lutris, so I switched to Linux in 2018.
i love linux but it is not perfect but i can deal with those imperfections & some it is a big problem sometimes it is a small problem
agree 100% dual boot is the best way to migrate over to Linux. OR using linux as a VM in full screen mode from windows for a while util you dual boot and eventually just remove the windows partition.
if your NOT gaming on windows, Running Linux as a host...and Windows in a VM for those specific adobe, or specialty apps is the ideal root. (dual boot for gamers)
the issue I have with dual-booting is...most people end up never boot into one of the OSes(and it usually ends up being linux). Like... why on earth would I boot into linux if i'm just going to have to reboot into windows to play games, when I can boot windows and be done with it(and also not have to be concerned with whether or not the anti-cheat is going to throw a fit and result in a ban)? It becomes an inconvenience at the end of the day.
I personally like the VM idea more, which allows you to find the apps you like/need in linux, without needing to reboot constantly. It doesn't really solve the anti-cheat issue for gamers, however, it is convenient. I feel like gaming is the one reason anyone should stick to Windows, and not bother with linux, unless you know your games don't use anti-cheat software.
@@imzesok its all in how someone wants to use the PC. Yes dual-booting can be cumbersome. However there are many reasons to do so. Grub is my default boot loader and i make sure the boot loader is shown for a number of seconds to pick windows (separate drive) upon boot, Linux Mint is my primary OS. Would some people just decide windows is the best, all my apps are there and tend to just boot to windows and not use the Linux partition or drive? for simplicity? Sure! Could someone just try linux and decide they didnt want to move and ultimately forget the other OS? sure. Yes i Game, Yes i dont want multiple towers under my desk, so i choose Dual Booting. 90% of my time im in Linux, I have a Windows VM on my Proxmox server, and Have some VMS for Kali and any other distros im playing with (within linux) I boot to windows JUST for gaming. AND ive falling off the game wagon as there isnt much out there right now that interests me.
Could i use Windows as my host and run Mint as my primary vm? run full screen and allocate all resources to it? Sure! But it wouldn't be the same experience as bare metal. and...when windows hiccups....its a hard reboot anyways.
So many options out there, not one size fits all. Dual Drive, Dual OS' and Dual Booting...is the best option IMO. Because one day you might be fed up with Microsoft...and your halfway there with a dual booting system just to format the Windows drive and move on. :)
Its not for everyone, and after typing this all out, im contemplating just making a SFF ITX build just for linux and using a KVM for my Gaming PC. LOL
Options Options Optionsssss.
@@crazycoastie " But it wouldn't be the same experience as bare metal. "
With Windows being the VM and linux as the host you're absolutely right. However, linux has none of the demands Windows does, making it the ideal option for a VM. Nothing you'd end up doing under linux requires a heavy resource load(nor direct hardware access), unless you've run into problem requiring you to compile something huge from source. Which should be obscenely rare(like a once in 5 years type of rare). You lose nothing doing this, as the experience is just about the same as bare metal.
"and...when windows hiccups....its a hard reboot anyways." Which is almost never with Win10 and 11, unless you do something dumb. Hell, it was even pretty rare in 8.1. The most I've seen is a driver update derping causing you to need to uninstall the driver and reinstall it. Windows 7 and older though? yeah that shit happened all the time and for no discernible reason. In the modern windows operating systems though I see a problem maybe once in a year if that. It's never anything major. Genuinely a non-issue.
You are right though.. the game offerings the last 10 years or so have been absolute shit tier. Honestly, I'm convinced the industry isn't even trying anymore. I think the only game coming out that i'm at all interested in is probably Stormgate. Then again I'm kind of biased against multiplayer only pay 2 win bullshit that has become the norm, and I have strong preference toward offline single player games anyways but that shit sucks for people that don't.
@@imzesok Most modern games (especially single players, but also multiplayer) run better on Linux these days.
@@shringe9769 SOME do, not most. It has nothing remotely to do with the argument, however. In the case of a multiplayer game, it doesn't matter if it runs well if the dev doesn't turn on the anti-cheat compatibility for proton and linux in general, you still can't play the friggin' game without catching a ban. "but hey it still loads at least!" 🤣
i think i like the idea of using linux more than actually using it or bothering with it.
10 or 20 years ago i might have thought differently as i was trying to get as much tech stuff into my brain as i could and i was embracing all that stuff.
but nowadays my view on tech changed alot. the older you get, the more valuable time becomes. and we hit a point in the tech world aswell where it is basicly impossible for a normal person to keep up because its changing so fast and my body and my brain is just burned out of that stuff. it feels like you are not allowed to just sit in your garden for a day watching trees grow because then you re allready behind again and need to catch up.
i have a limited amount of time on this planet. do i rather want to do my stuff, get done with it and then have time with family and go out and stuff like that?
or
do i want to ''waste'' my time on relearning a lot of things just so i can do the same stuff differently, that i am allready able to on windows and whatnot? ontop it also makes everything more complicated because most of the companies you work for use microsoft ecosystems so allways need to jump around and.. it just makes everything more time consuming.
i think the answer is clear on that one. i just dont have a reason to. and also in the privacy department and getting off grid of those big bad companies like microsoft or apple or google... its allways just about time. does the time i spend on something justify the stuff i sacrifice? Yeah Google or microsoft knows alot about me... but have microsoft ever actively... harmed me in any way with those informations or has google ever actively harmed me for using google maps? no... so ... is it worth it spending all that time? no probably not.
and once youre dead at some point...it doesnt matter that google knows what music you like anymore either. and using linux wont change the outcome of that. it just has to do the job, and i m okay for ''just'' being a user/consumer. and as long as i dont need linux to do the job because windows cant do something i need, why bother. i rather be a user and have fun with my family than to become a hobby-developer, trying to troubleshoot and fix and workaround my own OS. If i put a nail into my wall... i just use a hammer, that doesnt mean i want to learn how to build a hammer myself
I do have to say that it is true, switching to linux is a process, I had alreday been tinkering with linux on VMs before I made the switch - kind of out of the blue in the mille of the semester (not that helpfull) - but I do have to say that never used DualBoot, maybe the VMs helped me get used to it, and a bunch of youtube helped me be ready immediately. I do admit, that I'm not a tinkerer, and I have not learned to code at all, I'm just using gnome extensions to quote on quote rice my linux, yet it's been pretey fun, two years now I believe.
Kubuntu 22.04 is the closest thing to daily driveable Ive exp yet.
After tinkering with the steam deck I came to love kde more than windows desktop, and the excitement of constant improvements, my big hurdle was making non steam supported games work, but with lutris and no knowledge outside tutorials and copy paste in terminal I have my windows cake and im eating it lol without windows lol and in every area that's not windows reliant is better
Since I was already using those cross platform foss software while I was using Windows, after proton came out, I switched to Linux immediately without any problem😆
This is sort of why I have trouble recommending people any linux OS for desktops/laptops. My workflow isn't theirs, so I have to start that conversation off with "what do you use your system for, and how do you go about it on your current one?". Nobody likes this question, and struggle to answer it. It never seemingly occurs to people that nobody has the same use-case, or workflow preference. It just breaks their brains, in frustrating ways. What's more is they won't always tell you ALL of the things they use it for. So even if I do give them a good recommendation based on info I have, they inevitably end up getting in touch with me complaining they can't do thing x,y or z(which they didn't mention was a thing they did regularly). I then often times have to give them the bad news, because i wasn't privy to VITAL, NEED TO KNOW INFORMATION! It's always something that if they had mentioned it prior, I could have told them beforehand that it wasn't going to work out for them and to just stay on windows. Competitive gamer? you're gonna have to do some asking around, because most have aggressive anti-cheat software, that the devs won't enable for linux. Casual gamer? you might be fine on linux depending on your game. All you do is browser related stuff? congrats, linux is more than likely a perfect choice.
I knew what i was losing when i switched, and i know 100% its not linux's fault so im fine, i adapted my workflow to use software that runs here
So yeah Linux is a bit of a commitment, I do love working on free and open source stuff in Windows so my experience with Linux is great. But the main thing that has me just about ready to take the whole plunge is this:
Windows ever since 8+ has been making my systems trickier and trickier to use, and at some point I don't want to keep fighting things like uninstalling stuff windows installs or editing registry to make my computer not send as much data back to microsoft or other things. I want my desktop to just work. Linux, unfortunatly, gives me that Windows 7 experience better than Windows ever could with KDE. Honestly with how Windows 11 is shaping up to be, I dont think Microsoft can do anything to win me back.
I love me some KDE Plasma! By the way, I use Arch (with KDE Plasma, and Wobbly Windows!!)
How is it possible that only Google was able to turn Linux into a friendly end user OS for the masses? I mean, there are plenty of software companies in the world beyond Microsoft, Apple and Google. Why is that? Are the ones available so dominant that it doesn't worth to even try?
I wouldn't call my switch "easy", but it wasn't hard either. I don't play many multiplayer games, but games were a big wall for me. Once proton and wine started to kick more ass it was the perfect time for me, but it was like learning to use a computer from scratch all over again.
I love how screenshots work in Linux, it's much better than windows (for me)
With many things turning cloud and browser-based, for many people, it will barely matter whether one is on Linux or Windows. The more we advance, the less manual labour will be required.
Maybe I'm just a unique snowflake but I came to Linux because I was intrigued. Just out of curiosity. I also own a steam deck and I used the desktop at there for a while to tinker with some settings. I own a lot of games but I don't have much time to play. I only play dota 2 recently. I don't use adobe, I'm not a content creator, I don't stream. My work flow is pretty barren actually. All that I need is working since day 1. I had 0 issues so far. The exact opposite of that. I had to turn off and on my monitor before I was about to play or freesync would bug out for me. My external soundcard had to be turned off and on every reboot or I wouldn't had sound. My HP printer was only able to print in greyscale. And that is a known issue with that printer on windows. Since I'm on linux all these issues are gone. And I don't use the command line at all. And I am happy.
I dont know whats difficult about linux. I installed arch following a youtube guide. I know the commands to update and how to fix basic stuff and use it as a daily driver with KDE. After setting it up once I dont need to touch it beyond once a week updates. All the games I wanna play I can (including new ones like atomic heart and Hogwarts Legacy). Dont really see the issue tbh
To be honest, I think this issue is something people should lean into when convincing others to migrate to Linux. It takes some hard work to get it done, and that hard work is something that your doing for yourself because it's worth, ethically, functionally, recreationally, whatever the reason is that motivating you to migrate.
Honestly, I can't get 2 displays to have decent scailing on Linux. One is 1440p and the other is 1080p
Such a pain
A tiny example of the switching pains for windows users -
Scenario - on the Windows desktop, you discover that the clock is on 24 hour or Military time and you want to change it to 12hr time - that you're used to in regular life.
You pass your cursor over the clock in the lower right part of the taskbar on your screen, right click and click on a few settings and it's done.
Now, you're on a Linux disro that looks pretty close to the look and feel of windows and again, you notice the clock is on 24 hour or Military time and you want to change it to 12hr time - that you're used to in regular life. So, you move your cursor over to the same exact spot (as on your windows OS) and right click. This time a drop down menu appears - but you notice that none of the choices are referring to the clock! They are referring instead to the taskbar only. Now you're confused and you're rapidly getting frustrated.
So, then a light bulb turns on - "I'm going to go ask the guys in the forum for this distro on how to fix this - they'll know"
When you post your cry for help, one of them tells you "Check out the manual for this distro. It's all in there. You can find the manual over here" You find it and scroll down through it to the part about the system clock. When you ge there, it says "Well, we didn't actually make that specific app for the clock - this other outside development team did. We just included it in our particular flavor of Linux because it looks so cool. You'll have to go to their website and get their manual on it." You're getting more annoyed because you want to be over with this already. Anyway, you push on and go get their manual.
So, you scroll down that one to the part about changing the settings of the clock. You're thinking that "maybe there's an app hiding in the main menu with some weird name that opens up the controls to the clock - while you're scrolling. The manual is going to tell you what it's called in a minute""
When you finally arrive at the spot, it tells that you're going to have to use a text editor app. You do already have it installed , don't you? If not, you're going to have to find out how to do that. So, you're going to have to use the command line to call up that text editor to open a system file that' hiding three sub-directories down. Oh, you do know how to use the text editor, don't you? You know all the commands on how to open, edit, save the modified file and also the command on how to exit the text editor itself, right?
So, when you do finally succeed in opening the correct system file, you notice that there are sections of it that are instructions to humans - namely you. And there are other sections of it filled with symbols and coded words that you don't know what the hell they mean.
That's when you really lose it and say "Yo, f@ck this sh*t!! I'm going back to Windows!!!"
If the person who wrote out those instructions in the clock dev team's manual is really evil they'll insist that you use the Vim or Emacs text editors to do the job.
So? Grow a pair and do not get butt hurt! Dive into the app or doc or notes and write the changes/updates. And use whatever the hell editor you want. This is supposed to be what an open source collaborative environment is about.
You want your hand held and milk & cookies puppy hugging? Go back to Windows or Mac.
IT pros see Linux as a plain tool to maximize efficiency and reliability for specific systems and tasks. Myself, as a home desktop Linux hobbyist, see Linux as a wonderful, infinitely tinkerable, work of art/ art as in theming, but, more importantly, art as in being able to "tinker towards my ideal of perfection" in every aspect of the system.
Is easier for a new pc user to learn linux then the one that come from another os
Learning cross compatible alternative software 1st would be sensible as you'll have that worked out before switching & obviously don't discard Windows/Mac until the switch is complete & make sure to dual boot with two separate drives.
The switch was easy for me, I had free time, I wasn't married to Windows or MS Office, never used Adobe & I don't play games with intrusive root level anti-cheat. I love the fact I'm in complete control of my OS & not at the mercy of a $trillion corporation, my PC destiny is in my own hands!
I played around with Linux for several years, but never committed, always having Windows on my main computer. Then I came to a point where I finally decided to just leave Microsoft altogether. There was some growing pains. I had some things to learn, but I like this kind of stuff anyway. I'm a computer programmer, so I work with and understand computers. I eventually learned what I needed to get the games I like to work on Linux. Mainly, I use Lutris, to play World of Warcraft, Magic: The Gathering Arena and Final Fantasy XIV. It's not perfect. I've had to reinstall Magic:The Gathering Arena and World of Warcraft to get them back to functioning after an update took place. Occasionally, I get errors when trying to run World of Warcraft, but I haven't yet had a problem with Final Fantasy XIV, thankfully.
If you mostly do simple stuff, like watch RUclips videos and read your emails, and don't play Windows only games, or have Windows specific requirements like needing to use Photoshop or Microsoft Office, moving to Linux is actually not that bad. But as you pointed out, there are ways to address those needs, you just have to be willing to take the time to learn the options and how they work.
It's not for everyone, but I still hope Linux grows in popularity. I have no regrets leaving Windows behind.
Well said, but today the difference isn’t that far. You could go the easy way with Fedora and have a windows install in kvm/virt-manager, as a professional IT person if you want to switch while you’re learning. If you’re a gamer it’s another beast, and I cannot possibly tell since I found more pleasure just doing Linux than playing games 😉. But as in another comment, Linux isn’t windows or mac or all the way around. Linux is what you make it, especially on the desktop. And server side you can easily install a lean machine without any bloat or unnecessary services. You make the choices, that’s the biggest difference
I agree, if it's for games, you either dual-boot or have high-end hardware for a Windows KVM with GPU pass-through to really be in peace.
@@emmanueljimenez1574 Yes, that’s the big flaw, nobody’s asking what intentions the guys have. If they are gamers and want a flawless experience they better stick to what they have. But on the other hand if they are looking for something beyond that experience they are up for a treat, then dual boot might be a great solution. Then again if you are a professional you probably know what you want and is used to go through pain daily, like Titus, I’m impressed of his journey, especially on the desktop side he’s far beyond me although I’ve been using Linux almost 30 years
I installed Linux Mint for a friend a couple of months ago and told him to ask me whenever he had any issues with his PC, or didn't know how something works. He just had one issue, and it's that he didn't understand how to download software at first lol. Once I told him that you have an 'app store' equivalent from which to install software, he loved it more than Windows. Haven't heard from his computer since. We're talking about a casual user here. So...I guess it depends on the use case? And the OS.
I would love to use Linux. But to actually replace Windows. Not to go on a rabbit hole trip.
It goes both ways. For someone who has used Linux their whole life it is a nightmare to switch to Windows. Windows is lacking many apps that exist only on Linux. It's very hard to learn how Windows works when all you know is Linux.
That I hate Linux Desktop etc etc is exactly how I feel (with FreeBSD thrown in there for good measure), but windows 11 has caused me to hate windows more than I hate Linux so I'm finally working on switching my main desktop (already have my laptops).
Guess what? Linux isn't Windows, Windows isn't MacOS, MacOS isn't ChromeOS...........get used to it, that's the point. I own both a car and a motorbike, I know they're not the same.
😮same here both Hondas. But my 05 civic will never touch even 35 mpg let alone the 70 mph my cb500x 2019 gets consistently
Too bad Linux users have consistently misrepresented the desktop experience for years.
@@sysadmin1350 To bad Microsoft have been marketing Windows as a PC....and lying.
@@sysadmin1350 Some...sure...most..no.
It is matter of the individual misunderstanding what " it's easier to use than in the past " versus choosing to hear " It's guaranteed easier than Windows"
There are MANY variables there to account for to have room to call it easier than Windows.
I don't bs people about it. However, after using Linux Mint Cinnamon since late 2010 and see what Clem and his team have consistently improved upon and then me getting hands on myself with seeing the proof for myself....yeah....today LM is easier to deal with in virtually every way with very few exceptions
Nvidia graphics card setup is one of those exceptions...and that's because Nvidia always wants to be a turd to the Linux world. Even their open source drivers are still arguably mediocre at best.
But regardless, I always offer to sit and down walk through a windows user ..considering to try out Linux to ensure he or she understands what to expect.
It's not the void-black hole it used to be decades ago.
@@sysadmin1350 see what I did there...that's called effort...details... throughness...
The act of not just retorting with " yes I can " vs " no you can't" with...the "why"😉
There's also the fact that the Linux compatible alternatives are just.. Good Enough.
That alone was what made me go back to Windows, especially considering that my livelihood depended on it.
Not wanting to compromise, if I'm going to do some heavy stuff like gaming, rendering, production, etc, where I need things streamlined the way how I want them to be, my PC switches to windows. If I'm just going to muck around, I switch to Linux. I just don't see the reason why I have to stick with one, to be honest.
Yeah, i understand that, even the ones that are really good are often too different for professionals to adjust to, like blender.
I just dont want to be spied on!
I always been afraid of relearn everything about operating system.. I switched to linux , became a power user in less than a month . Just go for it
Former Windows user here. Chris is right. Unless you are some computer savant, there is definitely a whatthefuckamidoingwithmytime feeling for a few weeks. But obstacle is temporary. Once you *get it*, there is no going back to Windows. If you aren't a gamer or have specific Windows only apps that you need for work that your employer insists on, I can't imagine any computing experience worse than settling for Windows. Yeah, I said it.
A few weeks seems a bit extreme, but maybe I have more autism than I thought. I think I got up to speed in a few days at most with Mint. I felt pretty comfy with Fedora+Gnome after a day or so (though I also recently have had some buggy experiences, so the DE /distro hopping shall continue).
switch to linux 12yrs ago n havnt looked back. gaming n blue screen was the last straw,
Linux is supereasy, barely an inconvenience
Well spoken. Linus was right too w his conclusion.
Heavy Excel/Photoshop user here. Linux alternatives aren't simply good enough as on 2023. And even if they were, switching to Linux means I'll have to spend many months porting thousands of lines of VBA code.
Also, for some things that I regularly do - like deskewing a badly photographed document - isn't as straightforward or accurate in GIMP when compared to Photoshop. Still, if it weren't for Excel, I'd have ditched windows a long time ago.
Dual Booting is the best solution if you need things for gaming or Windows stuff. But Linux for me is great.
To be honest... wasted years on distrohopping.... Trying to find one, that suits all my needs and failing in most in the end. Still : made a list, that new windows convert should adhere : 1. Pick a distro that has a corporate tech support.... 2. Pick a distro, that has out of the box 3rd party software support. Picked a Pop. Never looked back: wonderful and POLITE thech support that does not get offended by stupid questions.... and out of the box flatpack support will not hurt either.
I'd use Linux as a daily driver only if WINE didn't suck so bad for games (old 2000-2010s era games, by the way) and some programs that don't have good enough alternatives for me that I used on Winblows, the reason is probably a mix of me not knowing how to properly configure a prefix for x game and y app (and install the necessary dependencies for it), and my hardware I guess.
I still use Linux but dual-boot with Winbloat 11, Linux is awesome but it still isn't there yet for me to fully switch to it. And I know it's not the fault of the devs for WINE (or anyone else really) but it still is frustrating.
Except for the paid IT side which I know nothing about, I say, "A-men" to every word. Great truth and good job.