Final chords of Bruckner's Symphony No. 4 by the Vienna Philharmonic and Herbert Blomstedt

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2021
  • The grandiose and ineffable final chords of Bruckner's Symphony No. 4 by the Vienna Philharmonic under the baton of 94-year-old Maestro Herbert Blomstedt.
    The first concert since the lockdown with an international orchestra and 1300 people in the audience.
    Watch the full concert on Medici: www.medici.tv/en/concerts/wie...
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  • @williameadie8550
    @williameadie8550 2 года назад +663

    I love how the audience held their applause until Maestro Blomstedt nodded his head signaling that it was appropriate for them to applaud now. I wish more conductors and audiences would learn to do this.

    • @robinweisel-capsouto9924
      @robinweisel-capsouto9924 2 года назад +12

      The same thing can be seen on RUclips of the final movement of the Verdi Requiem by the Met Opera orchestra and chorus on 9/11, 2021.

    • @deathisimminent9518
      @deathisimminent9518 2 года назад +17

      europe

    • @khbvdl1
      @khbvdl1 2 года назад +11

      A silence is rarely experienced in Amsterdam. Most concerts I visit there are interrupted by coughing.

    • @michaelreidperry3256
      @michaelreidperry3256 2 года назад +2

      Deliciously formal and polite!

    • @tortysoft
      @tortysoft 2 года назад +10

      The Proms audience can manage a tremendous silence too. It is spine tingling. The pain if someone coughs is physical.

  • @KinkyLettuce
    @KinkyLettuce 2 года назад +224

    this man is still conducting at his age
    thats incredible

    • @KinkyLettuce
      @KinkyLettuce 2 года назад +44

      @Nastro Adhesivo you are taking maestro Blomstedt's incredibly good health for granted.
      Most people, men or women at his age have trouble doing basic daily tasks, or even have trouble standing for an extended period of time. At some point, physical strength of a person just decays.
      Gotta appreciate maestro's incredible energy even at this age.

    • @KinkyLettuce
      @KinkyLettuce 2 года назад +31

      @Nastro Adhesivo ah you are one of those, thinking you might just be bending the universe with your mind.
      You might as well go up to cancer patients and tell them they got cancer because they didnt believe hard enough

    • @EminAnimE1
      @EminAnimE1 2 года назад +13

      @Nastro Adhesivo Mate, what on earth are you talking about?

    • @EminAnimE1
      @EminAnimE1 2 года назад +9

      @Nastro Adhesivo You're insane.

    • @KinkyLettuce
      @KinkyLettuce 2 года назад +11

      @Nastro Adhesivo If you had strong will, you wouldnt be driven mad by mere diapers. Turns out you are weak minded after all

  • @gandalfcar
    @gandalfcar Год назад +37

    2:11. The Vienna horns opened the doors to heaven for Maestro Blomstedt and you can see it on his face.
    Priceless and glorious !

  • @annedwyer797
    @annedwyer797 2 года назад +45

    Incredible that at the age of 94, Maestro Blomstedt stands while conducting! He's one of my nonagenarian heroes!

  • @jochanaan58
    @jochanaan58 Месяц назад +2

    No baton, minimal gestures, yet the Maestro held orchestra and audience in his hands. An underappreciated master.

  • @katrinat.3032
    @katrinat.3032 2 года назад +45

    That was the coolest ending!!! Maestro commanded the entire audience with just his body language, that was amazing!

  • @chriscross4004
    @chriscross4004 2 года назад +39

    Being a professional musician I had the chance to work in several projects with him. He is a truly godly person with so much respect for God and people equally and this makes it a thrilling and joyful experience every time. In my eyes he is possibly the greatest conductor of all times.

  • @josjanssen6733
    @josjanssen6733 Год назад +9

    The look in maestro Blomstedt's eyes in the end. How to describe it ? Wisdom and knowledge of a truth that most of us do not yet have and maybe never will ?

  • @darrenvegamusic
    @darrenvegamusic 2 года назад +34

    There is so much to say about this performance. It performs Bruckner in such a way that I have never heard or felt before. Breath-taking genius!!

    • @ionutzamfir5794
      @ionutzamfir5794 Год назад

      hello. please listen to Celibidache and Bruckner....

  • @johnroberts7692
    @johnroberts7692 Год назад +15

    Maestro Blomstedt has put away the stick and now conducts with his hands and his eyes...looking directly into the eyes of the section players. This is just marvelous, and it must be a great thill to work with a conductor who communicates in such an intimate way. Bravo!

  • @dq405
    @dq405 2 года назад +68

    One of the greatest of great endings in all of music.
    Every time I see a video clip of Bruckner, I'm struck by the small size of the orchestra. Compared to the forces used in a typical symphonic score by Mahler, Bruckner makes very little sound like very much. He lets the brass and tremelo strings do all of the work....
    And when did Herbert Blomstedt become an old man? Suddenly, I feel much less young, myself.

  • @grandisdavid
    @grandisdavid Год назад +7

    Sublime Bruckner, sublime Blomstedt, sublime musicians, may they all be blessed!

  • @huskydogg7536
    @huskydogg7536 2 года назад +74

    I feel like Bruckner is going from total neglect to one of the greatest composers on a century long ramp.

    • @megabugginout
      @megabugginout 8 месяцев назад

      Sadly, always overshadowed by Mahler.

    • @robcat2075
      @robcat2075 8 дней назад

      The LP and CD age were good for Bruckner.
      The streaming age... attention spans may be too short.

  • @francescodefendi3201
    @francescodefendi3201 2 года назад +60

    02:31 love this way of finishing a piece; love this… SILENCE 🤫😑🙂

    • @mirjambecker211
      @mirjambecker211 2 года назад +9

      Yes, you are soooo right, its pure magic when this is happening. Less harms me more in a rehearsal than an undiscipled audience clapping before the music exhaled ...

    • @francescodefendi3201
      @francescodefendi3201 2 года назад +2

      @@mirjambecker211 😊👍🏼👏🏼

    • @richardwilliams473
      @richardwilliams473 2 года назад +11

      Yes, exactly. And the audience showed reverence as well to the conductor by not applauding too early. Just MAGICAL !!!!

    • @1964Yovra
      @1964Yovra 2 года назад

      These silent moments are essential....it's the appreciation of the sounds before ...

    • @avecus
      @avecus 2 года назад +1

      And the face is great.

  • @soppdrake
    @soppdrake 2 года назад +17

    What an absolute maestro! Very happy to have seen him conduct Sweden's Radio Orchestra in Stockholm. His knowledge and insight into classical music is staggering and his eloquence in relating his awesome experience is truly humbling.

  • @edstud1
    @edstud1 Год назад +5

    These chord progressions a magical! Blomquist looks as though he has just seen heaven!

  • @TheStockwell
    @TheStockwell 2 года назад +61

    I feel so fortunate to have lived in San Francisco during Blomstedt's tenure as conductor of the San Francisco Symphony. His abilities as a traditional kapellmeister transformed it into a genuinely first-rate ensemble. I'm happy to see he has lived a long and acclaimed life. 🐧

    • @verdiguy
      @verdiguy 2 года назад +3

      You're an incredibly lucky person. Some of my first CDs were his Bruckner, Strauss and Sibelius with the San Francisco Symphony and I treasure each and every second of them.

    • @TheStockwell
      @TheStockwell 2 года назад +3

      @@verdiguy Thank you for those words. Throughout anyone's life, things happen which are incredibly exciting or satisfying. Years later, you realize how incredibly important and significant those moments were. At the time, you think, "This is so cool! Look at this, huh?" Later, it dawns on you that, "Wow. Did that really happen - and was I really there?" Blomstedt is 94 and touring with the VPO. Not that long ago, John Williams - now in his 80s - was invited to come to Vienna to conduct and record with them. Congratulations to both of them. It only ends when it's over. 🐧

    • @verdiguy
      @verdiguy 2 года назад +6

      @@TheStockwell We live in Nova Scotia on the east coast of Canada and have a smallish symphony orchestra. For years, one of our conductors, who led another, larger orchestra, would fly in for one or two rehearsals at most, resulting in some ragged concerts. Given the size of the orchestra, Brahms and Schumann were as much as we could expect. After his departure, a conductor named Georg Tintner arrived in town and made Halifax his home. He had fled Austria in the late 1930s and conducted in both Australia and New Zealand. He revamped every aspect of the symphony and we heard Bruckner's 4th and 5th during his tenure with us. The symphony began to attract some notice and both the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and Naxos recorded CDs with them. I had the pleasure of singing in the choir in performances of the Messiah and the Abduction from the Seraglio with him and he was a consummate musician who would also just stop and chat with you if you said hello on the sidewalk. He was by far the most gifted musician our city has been blessed with and as you wrote, years later, we can still look back, remember and smile. As for Maestro Blomstedt, he is a world cultural treasure and I'm looking forward to his live stream of the Bruckner 5th with the Berlin Philharmonic in October. Hope you have a wonderful and musical day.

    • @hectorberlioz1449
      @hectorberlioz1449 2 года назад

      This is nonsense. Blomstedt had the luck to be the successor of Edo de Waart who trained the SFSO and worked very hard to make a provincial band into an orchestra of international standard. So the credits are going to de Waart....

    • @TheStockwell
      @TheStockwell 2 года назад +4

      @@hectorberlioz1449 I have to disagree, Mr. Berlioz. While de Waart did very well with the practical matters - fundraising, getting Davies Symphony Hall built, starting a youth orchestra and a Composer-in-Residence program, he didn't make the incredible improvements to the orchestra's playing which Blomstedt did. Blomstedt wasn't lucky in following de Waart; the orchestra was lucky that Blomstedt took over from de Waart. No offense intended, but I lived in SF during those years and I'm sticking to my story. :)

  • @michaelarnold417
    @michaelarnold417 2 года назад +56

    The applause was artificially added in for this RUclips clip. In reality,
    Maestro Blomstedt is still there, holding the after-glow silence

    • @tortysoft
      @tortysoft 2 года назад +1

      I doubt the applause was edited. I've attended many a concert with a silence like that.

    • @thetp816
      @thetp816 2 года назад +11

      @@tortysoft you
      The joke.

    • @tortysoft
      @tortysoft 2 года назад

      @@thetp816 I doubt you have been to any great concerts. Try a Prom if you are ever in London during the season. £6 a ticket ! £7.21 if you have to pay online.

    • @thetp816
      @thetp816 2 года назад +9

      @@tortysoft 1. I have been to several so please do not make such assumptions.
      2. This does address the fact that you failed to see the sarcasm in the original comment.
      Lighten up Simon! Cheers

    • @shawnhampton8503
      @shawnhampton8503 2 года назад +2

      I watched it live. It happened just as you saw and heard it.

  • @kumadanieldt
    @kumadanieldt 2 года назад +20

    Heard them in Lucerne last week. Just amazing! Blomstedt!!!

  • @shawnhampton8503
    @shawnhampton8503 2 года назад +8

    So cool to see one of the world's great orchestras, whose own hall in Vienna is one of the very best, playing in the home of another of the world's greatest orchestras in yet another of the world's great halls. I wonder what that must be like to compare them. So beautiful.

    • @shawnhampton8503
      @shawnhampton8503 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/pWvhKEYuUdI/видео.html&ab_channel=PoyoPoyo

  • @sbor2020
    @sbor2020 2 года назад +12

    Perfection!!! Looking forward to watching the full concert now.

  • @paulbrower3297
    @paulbrower3297 2 года назад +9

    He keeps the tension and the mystery intact to the final chord. It could easily become anticlimax; we all know this finale if we know any Bruckner at all.

  • @obotobi
    @obotobi 2 года назад +7

    Outstanding!!! Thank you, Mr Blomstedt & W.Ph.

  • @nicholasschroeder3678
    @nicholasschroeder3678 2 года назад +34

    Of course Bruckner was a genius, but I think what makes his music so moving is that he actually felt these things he expressed. His whole life was God and music. It came from the heart.

  • @jimthorne304
    @jimthorne304 2 года назад +17

    I must have heard this hundreds of times, yet the hairs on the back of my neck still tingle!

  • @m.carmensanchezherrera6441
    @m.carmensanchezherrera6441 2 года назад +2

    Quina meravella!! Director sutil, delicat, angelical, fantàstic!!

  • @joanpuig90
    @joanpuig90 2 года назад +5

    The best horn section for playing Bruckner with a great conductor.

  • @Herman6507
    @Herman6507 2 года назад +2

    And that all coming together in the ambiance of the world's best concert hall. An epic match!

  • @martinlehmann7082
    @martinlehmann7082 2 года назад +18

    One of the most beautiful performances of this symphony I have ever heard (and I witnessed a few life in various concert halls, including ones directed by Haitink, Von Karajan, Celibidache and Wand).

    • @boortiwadenwickel5514
      @boortiwadenwickel5514 2 года назад +1

      You are a lucky man. I only once had the privilege to listen to Wand. Absolutely amazing.

  • @peterpike8887
    @peterpike8887 2 года назад +8

    Great conductor directing the greatest horn section.

  • @Schleiermacher1000
    @Schleiermacher1000 2 года назад +3

    Thanks for this video, this unique artist will touch everyone.

  • @learntodie2024
    @learntodie2024 Год назад +2

    One of the most beautiful Orchestra sound I've ever heard^^b
    it's unbelievable...

  • @hervedupre7894
    @hervedupre7894 2 года назад +4

    15 seconds of silence. 👍🏻. Astounding and heartwarming

  • @chadpleasant9215
    @chadpleasant9215 2 года назад +1

    Masterfully done. Bravo!

  • @paulmurray9760
    @paulmurray9760 2 года назад

    Marvellous. Thanks for sharing.

  • @zacharymccullough58
    @zacharymccullough58 2 года назад +1

    The most gorgeous release I have ever heard

  • @markuseschenhardt3670
    @markuseschenhardt3670 2 года назад +9

    Bruckner is becoming more and more my favorite the older I get, realizing how no composer ever was closer to God!

    • @huskydogg7536
      @huskydogg7536 2 года назад +3

      Bruckner and Bach, how can it get any better?

    • @nicholasschroeder3678
      @nicholasschroeder3678 2 года назад +1

      Agree.

    • @bobsmith8942
      @bobsmith8942 Год назад +1

      Bruno Walter said, "Mahler was always searching for God. Bruckner had found God."

  • @Matheustrumpet
    @Matheustrumpet 2 года назад +12

    Beautiful!!!

  • @ToneArt
    @ToneArt 2 года назад

    Wonderful - all and everything...

  • @wamozart9573
    @wamozart9573 2 года назад +13

    amazing. My favorite all time conductor. Emotional experience.

  • @jaumevirgilivilalta800
    @jaumevirgilivilalta800 2 года назад

    Un final que solo muestra la sabiduría que dan los años de oficio. Gracias. DIOS existe en Bruckner.

  • @BlueInk912
    @BlueInk912 2 года назад +3

    Thank you 🧡❣️

  • @jslasher1
    @jslasher1 4 месяца назад

    Lived for a time in San Francisco when Blomstedt was there. What a superb conductor.

  • @1968KWT
    @1968KWT Год назад

    Happy Birthday, Maestro! 🌹🌹🌹

  • @OuterGalaxyLounge
    @OuterGalaxyLounge 2 года назад +25

    Viva Blomstedt. Dude is so in control, he controls the audience, too.

    • @jimcrawford5039
      @jimcrawford5039 10 месяцев назад

      Dude? Mind your manners, this great man is 94.

  • @alanbevis5317
    @alanbevis5317 2 года назад +18

    Deeply emotional. And yes, a necessary period of silence before the deserved applause.

  • @ta-uw3xh
    @ta-uw3xh 2 года назад +2

    たった3分11秒だが音楽の力を知るのにこれほど素晴らしい動画はあるだろうか。ブルックナー、ブロムシュテット、ウィーンフィル、そしてこの動画を上げていただいた方に最大の賛辞を贈りたい。

  • @shantihealer
    @shantihealer 5 месяцев назад

    Awesome, stunning, final silence

  • @davidhewins
    @davidhewins 2 года назад +3

    At the end it looks for a minute as if Maestro Blomstedt is angry at the horns! Then he smiles, the sun comes out, all is well, and I realized he was spellbound by the music, as are we all!

  • @angelosilva4051
    @angelosilva4051 2 года назад

    Eccezzionale fantastico.Grande.

  • @jimcrawford5039
    @jimcrawford5039 9 месяцев назад +2

    This was absolutely amazing! The only other version I love is that of Celibidache. I have heard many versions but these two are head and shoulders above them all.

  • @vaughanosgan2623
    @vaughanosgan2623 Год назад +1

    Great conducting Greatest Coda

  • @GeorgesGondard
    @GeorgesGondard 2 года назад +3

    I wish this recording to be released on CD 😇

  • @TM-ul9zp
    @TM-ul9zp 2 года назад

    Thanks a lot.

  • @danmart1879
    @danmart1879 2 года назад

    Masterpiece performance.

  • @carrion_man3700
    @carrion_man3700 Год назад

    Fantastic.

  • @jessturner6886
    @jessturner6886 2 года назад +3

    Blomstedt is a magician.

  • @milfordmkt
    @milfordmkt 2 года назад

    "............................................................. ok, now you can applaud." Love it, giving the heavenly crescendo time to exhale. Majestic moment.

  • @odan7564
    @odan7564 2 года назад +1

    This moved me with electricity within my body.! I cried as a result of the musical transformation into sublime. A petite muerte

  • @edstud1
    @edstud1 2 месяца назад

    This music is profound!

  • @niltonbelmonteTV
    @niltonbelmonteTV 2 года назад +1

    Revelação do Divino por Bruckner.

  • @user-wx5hl5zw7l
    @user-wx5hl5zw7l 3 месяца назад

    Even in yesterday's performance, there was a saying that if the reverberation disappeared after the performance of the standing conductor, there was silence after the performance was over, and I was able to fully enjoy the music thanks to the well-mannered audience, and I was able to feel the magnificence and sublime of Bruckner and the joy of the 4th Movement finale

  • @briandunning2974
    @briandunning2974 2 года назад +4

    Has anyone here compared that chord sequence near the end to the same sequence in the 8th slow movement? I’d love to know the details.

  • @Berlinchesmusic
    @Berlinchesmusic 2 года назад

    Grandioso

  • @user-ch6ly8uj8g
    @user-ch6ly8uj8g 2 года назад +2

    今、指揮者の中で一番生真面目、誠実、探求心のある指揮者じゃないかな。

  • @sanny27
    @sanny27 2 года назад +3

    I spent some great private evenings with Blomstedt and I can only confirm he is not just a brilliant conductor, but a great person as well.

  • @lawrence18uk
    @lawrence18uk Год назад +2

    Greatest F-flat major chord in musical history 😊 I wonder if he engineered it that way from the beginning... 🤔

  • @VallaMusic
    @VallaMusic 2 года назад +12

    i imagine the glorious Freya sailing across the heavens in her cat drawn chariot

  • @johannesvonedelmann
    @johannesvonedelmann 2 года назад

    ❤!

  • @therealzilch
    @therealzilch 2 года назад

    Meisterhaft.

  • @robcat2075
    @robcat2075 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great audience restraint at the end. Proceed to heaven.

  • @mahandraroopchan901
    @mahandraroopchan901 2 года назад

    Not sure I've seen a person conduct wearing a tie, fine conductor we spoke after he conducted the Gewandhaus

  • @tako6346
    @tako6346 2 года назад

    what tuba does Paul Halwax using in this performance?

  • @scottweaverphotovideo
    @scottweaverphotovideo 2 года назад +3

    That was one well behaved audience!

  • @EricGross
    @EricGross 2 года назад +1

    Omigod - the Everest of finales.

  • @papagen00
    @papagen00 6 месяцев назад

    Obviously they taped the entire concert....where did it go? Does Concertgebouw have digital subscription like the Berlin Phil?

  • @UrielGuterre
    @UrielGuterre 2 года назад

  • @gregt2022
    @gregt2022 2 года назад +2

    those final chords...

  • @markhughes7927
    @markhughes7927 2 года назад

    Thro’ the star-gate with the sorcerer!

  • @steveegallo3384
    @steveegallo3384 2 года назад

    At the very end...the way the Violins are Accompanying the orchestra....there's a WORD for that....in Italian: Anyone know?

  • @strangenessEPR
    @strangenessEPR 2 года назад +4

    2:15 sounds like The Matrix soundtrack.

    • @angelagotz729
      @angelagotz729 2 года назад +1

      YES that's what I thought too!!! Glad you commented it:) Maybe Don Davis drew some inspiration from this

  • @elbklang
    @elbklang 2 года назад

    Where can I see the full track of this recording?

    • @concertgebouw
      @concertgebouw  2 года назад

      You can watch the full performance on medici: www.medici.tv/en/concerts/wiener-philharmoniker-herbert-blomstedt-conducts-schubert-and-bruckner/

  • @jochanaan58
    @jochanaan58 Месяц назад

    Stokowski wished to conduct a concert on his 100th birthday. Blomstedt may actually do so...?
    (Elliott Carter was still composing at 103!)

  • @edwardjohn5
    @edwardjohn5 2 года назад

    Which version is this? Can anybody tell me? 1881?

    • @keescanalfp5143
      @keescanalfp5143 2 года назад +3

      ah, what would it matter, as we ourselves couldn't notice the difference .

  • @robcat2075
    @robcat2075 10 месяцев назад

    "Anton Bruckner has left the building."

  • @davidcontini7217
    @davidcontini7217 Год назад

    Bruckner's Fourth is your Symphony, Herbert!

  • @jgesselberty
    @jgesselberty 2 года назад

    Bravi.

  • @alexperezmansergas8118
    @alexperezmansergas8118 2 года назад +1

    01:35

  • @mr-wx3lv
    @mr-wx3lv 2 года назад +1

    Thieleman does a similar thing in his performance of this symphony too. Which btw is very good performance.. check it..

    • @thilogrimm7109
      @thilogrimm7109 2 года назад +1

      Thieleman can´t hold a candle to Blomstedt

  • @legendschant1194
    @legendschant1194 7 месяцев назад

    This ending is almost science finctional, the last bars reminds me of the music from Stargate. Bruckner 10/10

  • @jefolson6989
    @jefolson6989 2 года назад

    94 and not a wrinkle!

  • @user-oj3zz4ed2i
    @user-oj3zz4ed2i 2 года назад

    ㅠㅠ 휘자님 많이 쇠약해지셨네 ㅠㅠ

  • @samaritan29
    @samaritan29 2 года назад

    this kinda reminds me of avengers main theme 1:05

  • @richardwilliams473
    @richardwilliams473 2 года назад +6

    Who says you need a baton to conduct?

  • @danielshade710
    @danielshade710 2 года назад +2

    In my town they clap in the middle of the movement like it’s Coltrane ripping a Giant Steps solo.

  • @loudlong
    @loudlong 2 года назад

    Blomstedt is a wonderful conductor, but there is an artifice to holding the audience silent after a loud, triumphant final chord. Once the sound has died away, it's time to drop the hands and let the audience erupt in jubilant applause. This is different for pieces that end quietly, where holding the audience silent makes sense. Let them cheer after a big triumphant ending; make them wait while feeling and basking in the the beauty after a soft ending.

    • @gorankatic40000bc
      @gorankatic40000bc 2 года назад +1

      But this ending is both soft and not triumphant, mysterious, ambiguous and complex, reflecting his mysterious, ambiguous and complex creator. To be silent after this tonal majesty seems very much apropriate.

    • @loudlong
      @loudlong 2 года назад

      A climactic ending with triple fff major Eb chords with the notation "stark aushalten" ("endure strongly") in the brass parts is not remotely soft or mysterious. It is triumphant, period.

  • @kome1976
    @kome1976 2 года назад

    I cannot see great old last from any works by his performance They are all normal

  • @onceamusician5408
    @onceamusician5408 8 месяцев назад

    these . . what do i call them?? who need to stamp and shout and cheer at the end of a Bruckner Symphony
    NEVER UNDERSTOOD what the man was about.

  • @TheVoitel
    @TheVoitel 2 года назад

    Very nice, but a bit static, just like any modern rendition. Just listen to Furtwängler, and you’ll find the one thing this performance is missing.

    • @joekbaron1205
      @joekbaron1205 2 года назад

      Here we have the guy that thinks Furtwängler is the best for everything and that the rest isn’t as goof

    • @TheVoitel
      @TheVoitel 2 года назад

      @@joekbaron1205 I wouldn’t say so. Furtwängler is a bit hit and miss. For some music it works, for some it doesn’t. For Bruckner it does.

  • @papagen00
    @papagen00 2 года назад +1

    It's funny when I was in San Francisco in the 1990's Herbert Blomstedt was not that famous or in demand. Great age brings the perception of great wisdom.

    • @aatim2308
      @aatim2308 2 года назад

      yep, but after that he also was a chief conductor in Hamburg and Leipzig, so he had time to improve his position in Europe.