Kron needs to quit fighting and concentrate on being a school owner-operator. He absolutely hates fighting, he hates the media, and he hates the pressure his last name puts on him.
2 simple reasons #1 the Gracie’s cant hand pick tuna can fighters anymore #2 people know how to defeat BJJ now where as no one even knew what BJJ was before.
Yes and no everyone in MMA know the importance of jujitsu in grappling but you just can not think in the modern world of fighting all ypur gonna do is jujitsu and not land a punch..thats like a striker thinking that in the UFC all you can use is Boxing and not have any type of grappling skills
Neiman Gracie does alright in Bellator. He has wins over John Fitch and Ed Ruth, both fights I thought he'd be dominated in. He has a 70 percent submission finish rate. He seems to struggle against wrestlers when he does lose, but somehow managed to beat Fitch and Ruth with submissions. lol His stand up is a little better than Kron's but nothing to write home about. lol Neiman probably won't ever be champion in Bellator, but he's not looking like garbage. If Kron wants to continue fighting, he should probably try a different organizations. If the UFC keeps him for another fight, he needs to change camps.
Kind of, the thing is everyone in MMA trains BJJ too whereas before nobody trained BJJ. So all the high level fighters know good defense in BJJ to counter.
There’s truth to this for sure. First two UFC’s picked unknown martial artist with made up accolades. However, many camps that came out of the Gracie family did evolve into serious cross training where the core Gracie schools did not. In addition, the rest of the sport improved on all skills and the athletes entering the sport are actually talented athletes unlike the first 5 UFC’s.
Kron Gracie’s performance looked equivalent to fighting an NPC in UFC4 on Easy Mode. Once I remembered he was actually human in the 3rd round, I started to feel a deep sense of pity consume me.
Of all the BJJ-focused fighters he could have chosen to emulate, the Diaz brothers are one of the more challenging options. Those guys always take a lot of damage in their fights. Why not train with the Nogueira brothers, Raphael Lovato Jr, Jacare, or Demian Maia? Those seem like better styles to emulate.
@@markgothard7158 I also think he should have done more fights before joining the UFC. The UFC chews up a lot of famous prospects signing them and giving them tough opponents early.
Yes, they are all about their BJJ and not much more. Royce took some shit from a few of his brothers when he took serious learning Muay Thai back in the Pride days. Most of the Gracies they refuse to learn anything else that is not grappling based. They have their Gracie jiujitsu rudimentary striking but nothing that will be consider high level to modern standards in MMA.
@@aymanelmiloudi1219 I read an interesting academic paper from a brazilian blackbelt in judo and bjj. I know the word cult gets thrown around a lot coyishly with a cute little smirk, but the word cult is actually a lot more fitting for them than people realize. I'm talking hidden 2nd (and 3rd, 4th, 5th) families/unethical non-monogamy, all the way to Carlos Gracie saying he was a spiritual leader who could commune with central american spirits so he could grift more money out of the rich bankers and politicians who were early Gracie students. Oh yea, he also believed - and stated outright - that him, and other men in his family like Helios - should be able to breed with all their hired maids at the Gracie compound because of their prowess and spiritual acumen. Rickson's mother was literally their darker skinned maid who he knew from birth but didnt learn she was his biological mother until his late teens or early 20s. She was ashamed of having been manipulated by the gracies and begged them not to reveal any information about Rickson being her child to her family back in her hometown. And these things just scratch the surface. Their origin stories involve overt, explicit racism against japanese and black brazilian fighters, homophobia, one time the elder gracie brothers (Helios, George, and I think Carlos) jumped a wrestler because he won and they didnt like how he talked about them. They beat him with pipes, and then used their political connections to avoid prosecution. I'd say im shocked except that im not because some of them will still suckerpunch and jump dudes at bbj competitions even to this day
admitted?more like blame them i highly doubt anyone told him to get out there with ZERO wrestling and hit no punches. Look at neyman gracie, he's doing pretty well and he's from the same family receiving the same advice. Kron did that because he sucks and he's an idiot, not because of bad influences.
@@montagistreel Helio official wife was not able to have kids. So they have an special arrangement. Yes the Gracies specialy Helio is well known for doing Scumbag moves. Also, he was a right egocentric. Also claimed things as his inventions and innovation as his own that were not his. Yes, the Gracies are controversial however thanks to them we have BJJ regardless.
Kron has insinuated that he was not inclined to take the mantle but felt he had to after his brother tragically passed. Krons first passion is skate boarding. He is an amazing ju jitsu practitioner. He seemed stubborn to go head to head with cub swanson and not even try to mix it up. His skill level deteriorated so much in his last fight it almost appeared deliberate to get back at his Dad with whom he seems to fallen out with. Kron has abilities overflowing but he seems to be sabotaging his own chances of success. Kron needs to make up with his Dad or if not willing give up fighting and choose his own path of happiness. Before Cub Swanson Kron displayed a very likeable personality. Something else has happened that has made him mentally unstable and this has obviously been going on since Cub Swanson. Rickson already commented that Kron did not fight how he should have done and he wanted to prove hes a man by fighting with fists only instead of using his amazing skillset. He needs to get the right balance which favours predominately ju jitsu but with enough striking to counter, defend and setup takedowns etc. I hope his next steps in his personal journey are the right ones for him.
Whatever is going on there, i also think its tied up in their interpersonal family stuff. It was sad hearing him say that he's only trained with his dad a handful of times
You mean takedowns? JJ doesn't do takedowns, they get taken down and work from bottom/scramble, at best. That's why most JJ matches start with buttscooting.
It really seems like he spent way too much time rolling and not enough time boxing. His stand up guard was very unpolished. If Jordain was better at kicking, the fight would have ended much sooner. Imagine if Kron was facing someone like Adesanya. His legs would have been obliterated.
He’s a 145 pounder, a guy like Volk would genuinely leave him unable to walk for a week. It’d look like the Ortega fight outside those close Hail Mary submissions, a brutal beat down
You need to set up those submissions with either elite wresting (which Kron doesn’t have) or remarkable striking (which Kron doesn’t have). You can’t just “drag” dudes to the ground anymore. Khabib can submit dudes because he has that superior wrestling. Charles Oliveira can submit dudes because he can actually strike and has the power to put you down.
The rest of the world has had 25 years to find a blend of different tactics to neutralise old school Gracie BJJ, which includes wrestling, TDD, the jab, the teep, and of course more BJJ. The art evolved when Helio and Carlos learned it back in the 1930s. Now its become a dogma with some people ... and holding onto an art that's 30 years out of date is only going to yield similar results. If Kron threw himself into wrestling, this previous fight would have been substantially different. He needs to get on top to use the full scope of his BJJ mastery IMHO.
conquered the world of free fighting while sakuraba destroyed all the gracies ....meanwhile they where dodging to fight good fughters all the time and cherry picking their opponents.
BJJ is not that useful when you have no way of taking the fight to the ground. And the problem is he is bound to fail, he could never live up to the expectations of his name.
He tried a takedown as early as round 1. Got shoved off. It’s like people want to see a particular story. He never felt like he could get the takedown, so he banged and lost. And then all the stories and excuses start. He never tried to rebuild himself as a mma fighter, and he didn’t this time either.
A year or two ago Kron was being hyped online somewhere, and I commented "yes, but he's a rudimentary striker". No one who had seen him fight up to that point took him seriously as an MMA fighter. It was a bit like the Ben Askren situation. A guy is hyped by an organization but anyone paying attention knows it's all bs. [ Some "journalists" are paid to say good things about fighters in upcoming fights. ] If you watched the Cub Swanson fight alone, you'd know--no one with Kron's striking, at his age, has any chance whatsoever in the UFC. That fight was like watching a grown man beat up a child. So it was with Kron. He's 35, and has been beaten to a pulp in his last two fights. He has a great chin and a great spirit, just shitty striking. Let's move on.
I can't wait for the Ruotolos to transition to MMA I think their style of bjj will be dominate, fast paced, dynamic and aggressive I feel like they are the new wave of grappling in MMA
Wait isnt the sales pitch is how dominance of Gracie Jujitsu is. How no other art can compare. He should have dominated all his fights not fall on BS excuses. Fighting is fighting. No family brand is close to Perfection but the sj Skill and heart of the individual.
@@jeremyswanson1992he's right though. They commercialized their art, made their money and are now getting slaughtered by those who never changed their focus.
2:19 With all due respect to Charles Jourdain that wasn't even the highest level, Kron stands no chance against the likes of Topuria, Mitchell, Allen, Ortega, let alone Volk himself. This says so much about how the sport is LONG gone from the one trick pony era, if you got blatant holes in your game you sure as hell your opponent gonna milk the shit out of it.
Bjj alone is low tier trash. This is the formula for success. 1. Striking (Mau Thai, boxing, karate) 2. Wrestling. 3. Bjj (is only the cherry on top). Essentially if you are building a human out of parts the head and torso are striking, limbs are Wrestling, hands and feet are Bjj.
To be fair, the Gracies were legends and really shaped the movement to MMA but they weren't really ever "MMA" fighters. They never really tried to evolve or become proficient in other forms of fighting, they just wanted to show BJJ was supreme and it was when no one else knew how to grapple. They became obsolete as soon as people started to train multiple disciplines and the sport evolved. No one can take away what they did for Jiu Jitsu and MMA but they haven't been really relevant in either for a long time now.
Some coaches think they know boxing or how to actually teach it. Just because you have mits doesn’t mean you could teach. 1st is to understand the art of slipping, countering, faking, how to go to the body, which way to step and when, timing, standing in the pocket, how to get on your bicycle effectively without being hit, how to fight orthodox vs how to fight a southpaw, it’s not only keeping your foot outside your opponent. Just like MMA, there are levels to this game.
His boxing is awful .. he thinks he doesn't need to be good at boxing ... he's not even as strong as Ben Askren who dominated everyone on the ground ... his Dad is always on his mind
If he had Askrend takedowns he would be fine because his BJJ and submission game r at another level, but if u can’t get the fight to the ground all that BJJ Is useless
@@xmanc5687 BJJ doesn't have the strength of wrestlers ... he doesn't have the strength of Ben Askren to get fighters on the ground; he knows how to choke and twist but that's it
@@UFCtrumpsboxing I know he doesn’t hv the strength of wrestlers, but my point is if he was able to get these guys down like Askrem or Khabib, his bjj is phenomenal, and it’s more than just twisting and choking.
He just sucks in mma, some people are not good fighters, dont get me wrong, he is one of the best jiu jitsu grapplers alive, but he is also one of the worst fighters signed to the ufc.
His problem is that he doesn't have as much willpower as his father and he hangs out with criminals and people who aren't good at all . If he lived next door to his father or had friends who pushed him to succeed, he might have long been a mixed martial arts champion !!!
He has potential, he needs to do things like Renzo and Rian, not Royce. People like Ben Askren and Damien Maia proved pure Grappling is not enough for the UFC
Maia was a damn good fighter. Just because you never win a title doesn’t make u a failure or bad fighter😂 guy beat alot of damn good fighters. He won 22 fights in the ufc n lost 11.. that’s a winning fighter. Guy won twice as many fights as he lost.
Do the Gracie family do anything else , or in their own minds everything else is below them?. Sometimes it is so nice to see them brought down to earth. When the reality remains BJJ is possibly the worst form of self defense in real life or death situations.
The worst form of self defense? What the hell? You position Aikido higher? Or Kung fu? Or Kendo maybe? I would say bjj is quite good, close to the top actually, when it comes to self defense. Because you do not only train it but actually practice it every time. Wrestling or Sambo might be better, but to say that bjj is the worst form of self defense? Why would you say that?
too much reliance of bjj isnt ideal for MMA anymore. Fighters wont engage with bjj guys to eventually get submitted. they have figured that part out pretty well. Without wrestling bjj is not as useful in MMA.
It seems like Kron doesn't want to fight in the UFC. If that's the case, then he should quit. If not, then he should try to improving his striking by practising muay thai and by doing lots and lots of boxing sparring. There's simply no way around it.
If Kron sucks so much, how come his opponent couldn’t finish him? It was decision, big deal. If Kron sucks the guy should have knocked him out or submitted him. Even Kron, he has 5 wins and they are all finishes
the problem is, he should've switched to ONE Championship. they are 10x better than UFC and actually cater to those who just wanna do nothing but grappling
Kron clearly dislikes prize fighting. Even so he was 5-0 until he fought Club Swanson. Thing is, this is NOT a bad record. It's just that he is a Gracie and so victory is synonymous with the Gracie name. I don't think Kron is a guy that enjoys fighting and his absence from competition, clocking in 7 fights in nearly a decade, makes this evident. Most MMA fighters will have clocked in around 20 fights by this point. The guy wants to run his fight academy, skateboard and train. That's about it. Training to stay fit and training to fight are two different things. He has said so on a few occasions that he entered competitive fighting to appease his brother who wanted him to continue the family's legacy. At 35, this is not his prime to do that. He has yet to be KO'd and losses against veteran UFC fighters by decision have no shame attached. He has done the Gracie name proud but this is not his vocation.
Clinch is the only way, add some greco and dirty boxing. He will never be a great striker but he doesn't have to be. He just needs to learn enough to get him close. Also he seems very fixed on close guard. His game has not changed in 10 years. I love BJJ and Kron but everyone I know agrees, wrestling, footlocking, adding new stuff is the way to go. Kron needs to do this as well. I think the need to prove Gracie JJ has left him a dinosaur in MMA.
You can’t just clinch. You need to get into that range and set up shit…otherwise you get clipped coming in. Or the safe bet is to actually learn how to wrestle like GSP.
B team has an eye on the future. Great top game, takedowns, guards, slick submissions, as long as they can learn how to avoid hits that is the new style to beat.
He needs to forget everything Gracie if he wants a shot at being a good mma fighter. The Gracie’s gave us bjj which we’re grateful for but they still believe it’s the holy grail and still believe that it’s enough on its own to win fights. There not prepared to evolve in mma or bjj for that matter and not to mention there so arrogant. They need to get over them selfs and accept that Gracie jiujitsu is outdated or there gonna find them selfs falling more and more behind in both sports.
His loss to Cub shouldn't be a knock against him -- that dude is a hard-core veteran and was still in his prime years when they fought. That he decided to stand with him likely wasn't the best thing to do...but he did quite well considering who he was fighting. Admittedly, I don't follow the UFC as closely anymore...so I didn't see the fight and am not ultra familiar with the guy he fought last. The huge layoff, I think it's safe to say, likely played a part though. Having to jump right back in to his UFC contract likely didn't help much, either (versus coming up through smaller promotions, etc). Ideally he would have been working on his striking this whole time, but what most are saying is true: the Gracie's aren't really big adopters of anything other than their own system. At least not to the point that they need to in order to keep up with elite competition. I started my BJJ journey at a Gracie school way back in about 2004, and while I loved what I learned there...the art has definitely evolved.
He trains striking with the Diaz brothers. They have never been known for amazing boxing technique or amazing power but instead for their cardio, volume and unreal toughness, none of which Kron has. He should have chosen someone else to train with and emulate their style. Honestly a wrestler would have been a good idea to learn proper takedowns.
Nobody thought of him as a fighter. Not sure where his downfall went? He’s never been considered anything but a grappler. He won some fights w grappling. But by no means a fighter
He should have been in a D1 wrestling room for the last number of years and he may have been good, but I'm still not sure that would have been enough. He just doesn't seem like an mma fighter.
Was so disappointed with Kron He fought like his opponent didn't know grappling. This guy has some bad MMA coaches. He needs an MMA coach someone who knows how to adapt his styles into the sport
The old school style does work till this day,,and if you put young Rickson in time machine to fight these new school guys he would still win,,the thing you don't understand is that kron is not built as wise skilled strength and talented and tough as his father,, most kids from famous fighters want to be like there dad but they need to understand its not there calling.. another example you put a young 20 year old mike tyson to fight these new boxing school generation mike will knock them all out . Because he was built to fight at a highly phenomenal level,, God gifted,, not everyone is built to fight at a super high level,, and very few built to be phenomenal mma and boxing world champions,, you have champions then you have phenomenal gifted legendary world champions ..big difference..mike tyson and Rickson Gracie,, where both legendary phenomenal world champions..built and born to fight at its best of the best ..in there craft ..
Krona biggest issue isn’t even skill. His mind is just not in the right place. He isn’t even sure if he wants to be fighting. How will he win if he isn’t sure if fighting is what he wants to do.
That's what he gets trying to act like he's "Brazilian Batman" or Alex Pereira backstage. Even in the presence of someone who accomplished much more than him, Henry Cejudo.
The level of disrespect in these comments is wild. The kid made it to ufc. He’s better than you. Kron could butt scoot his around 1000 more octagons and he would still whip most of your asses if he wasn’t too kind. Just shut up w your couch coaching, go train, make it to ufc and then you can tell kron your opinion of him in the ring face to face. Until you are there just stop. He can make adjustments come back n be the best ever.. you can’t. Or if either of you could do that, he’s probably closer to it than you now by light years. My money on him. And his brother smoked weed. That’s it. Back then it was looked down on especially by Brazilian parents in Torrance it wasn’t as widely accepted. He was a good kid.
God! I am such a fuckin degenerate why did I have to bet all of that money. 3 years of saving down the drain. But Patrick was so sure. I'm so fucking stupid
In his highlights you can see him train boxing and striking. Yet he has no stand up skills... What a let down... I really thought he was gonna be next big thing.
I needed that money Kron. That was my daughter's insulin payment man. Diabetic ketoacidosis is no joke. She's missed three days of school. I ain't got insurance. All you had to was duck under and uppercut. This my daughter's life man.
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Kron needs to quit fighting and concentrate on being a school owner-operator. He absolutely hates fighting, he hates the media, and he hates the pressure his last name puts on him.
Maybe get back into skate boarding. Hey Kron do a kick flip!
Facts
Because he’ll never read this
Yeah he should listen to this random guy on RUclips’s advice
@@jaycelindekugel9114 Hey good advice can come from the most unlikely places
2 simple reasons
#1 the Gracie’s cant hand pick tuna can fighters anymore
#2 people know how to defeat BJJ now where as no one even knew what BJJ was before.
Very true!
Yes and no everyone in MMA know the importance of jujitsu in grappling but you just can not think in the modern world of fighting all ypur gonna do is jujitsu and not land a punch..thats like a striker thinking that in the UFC all you can use is Boxing and not have any type of grappling skills
Neiman Gracie does alright in Bellator. He has wins over John Fitch and Ed Ruth, both fights I thought he'd be dominated in. He has a 70 percent submission finish rate. He seems to struggle against wrestlers when he does lose, but somehow managed to beat Fitch and Ruth with submissions. lol His stand up is a little better than Kron's but nothing to write home about. lol Neiman probably won't ever be champion in Bellator, but he's not looking like garbage.
If Kron wants to continue fighting, he should probably try a different organizations. If the UFC keeps him for another fight, he needs to change camps.
Kind of, the thing is everyone in MMA trains BJJ too whereas before nobody trained BJJ. So all the high level fighters know good defense in BJJ to counter.
There’s truth to this for sure. First two UFC’s picked unknown martial artist with made up accolades.
However, many camps that came out of the Gracie family did evolve into serious cross training where the core Gracie schools did not. In addition, the rest of the sport improved on all skills and the athletes entering the sport are actually talented athletes unlike the first 5 UFC’s.
Kron Gracie’s performance looked equivalent to fighting an NPC in UFC4 on Easy Mode. Once I remembered he was actually human in the 3rd round, I started to feel a deep sense of pity consume me.
LOL
Of all the BJJ-focused fighters he could have chosen to emulate, the Diaz brothers are one of the more challenging options. Those guys always take a lot of damage in their fights. Why not train with the Nogueira brothers, Raphael Lovato Jr, Jacare, or Demian Maia? Those seem like better styles to emulate.
I think he did train with Maia he was in his corner
@@ayaanqui My bad!
He became friends with the Diaz brothers. But Demian Maia or Lyota Machida would have been better options.
@@markgothard7158 I also think he should have done more fights before joining the UFC. The UFC chews up a lot of famous prospects signing them and giving them tough opponents early.
He won't because they have an issue with Carlson gracie who happen to produce the best mma fighters
This riddle was solved 30 years ago.
Some people cannot recover from a loss. The true champion always rises from a loss and gets back in with a new heart. Kron is not champion material.
It was strange how he admitted he'd took bad advice, presumably from his family. Must be tough being a Gracie.
Yes, they are all about their BJJ and not much more. Royce took some shit from a few of his brothers when he took serious learning Muay Thai back in the Pride days. Most of the Gracies they refuse to learn anything else that is not grappling based. They have their Gracie jiujitsu rudimentary striking but nothing that will be consider high level to modern standards in MMA.
@@benbudinthey are a cult
@@aymanelmiloudi1219 I read an interesting academic paper from a brazilian blackbelt in judo and bjj. I know the word cult gets thrown around a lot coyishly with a cute little smirk, but the word cult is actually a lot more fitting for them than people realize. I'm talking hidden 2nd (and 3rd, 4th, 5th) families/unethical non-monogamy, all the way to Carlos Gracie saying he was a spiritual leader who could commune with central american spirits so he could grift more money out of the rich bankers and politicians who were early Gracie students. Oh yea, he also believed - and stated outright - that him, and other men in his family like Helios - should be able to breed with all their hired maids at the Gracie compound because of their prowess and spiritual acumen. Rickson's mother was literally their darker skinned maid who he knew from birth but didnt learn she was his biological mother until his late teens or early 20s. She was ashamed of having been manipulated by the gracies and begged them not to reveal any information about Rickson being her child to her family back in her hometown. And these things just scratch the surface. Their origin stories involve overt, explicit racism against japanese and black brazilian fighters, homophobia, one time the elder gracie brothers (Helios, George, and I think Carlos) jumped a wrestler because he won and they didnt like how he talked about them. They beat him with pipes, and then used their political connections to avoid prosecution. I'd say im shocked except that im not because some of them will still suckerpunch and jump dudes at bbj competitions even to this day
admitted?more like blame them
i highly doubt anyone told him to get out there with ZERO wrestling and hit no punches. Look at neyman gracie, he's doing pretty well and he's from the same family receiving the same advice. Kron did that because he sucks and he's an idiot, not because of bad influences.
@@montagistreel Helio official wife was not able to have kids. So they have an special arrangement. Yes the Gracies specialy Helio is well known for doing Scumbag moves. Also, he was a right egocentric. Also claimed things as his inventions and innovation as his own that were not his. Yes, the Gracies are controversial however thanks to them we have BJJ regardless.
Kron has insinuated that he was not inclined to take the mantle but felt he had to after his brother tragically passed. Krons first passion is skate boarding. He is an amazing ju jitsu practitioner. He seemed stubborn to go head to head with cub swanson and not even try to mix it up. His skill level deteriorated so much in his last fight it almost appeared deliberate to get back at his Dad with whom he seems to fallen out with. Kron has abilities overflowing but he seems to be sabotaging his own chances of success. Kron needs to make up with his Dad or if not willing give up fighting and choose his own path of happiness. Before Cub Swanson Kron displayed a very likeable personality. Something else has happened that has made him mentally unstable and this has obviously been going on since Cub Swanson. Rickson already commented that Kron did not fight how he should have done and he wanted to prove hes a man by fighting with fists only instead of using his amazing skillset. He needs to get the right balance which favours predominately ju jitsu but with enough striking to counter, defend and setup takedowns etc. I hope his next steps in his personal journey are the right ones for him.
Whatever is going on there, i also think its tied up in their interpersonal family stuff. It was sad hearing him say that he's only trained with his dad a handful of times
He literally just should have spent the last 4 years on taking the fight to the ground and nothing else.
Apparently he was training the whole time to push you to the fence.
This logic only works for wrestlers. BBJ elites do not have Take down abilities. So its not that simple.
You mean takedowns? JJ doesn't do takedowns, they get taken down and work from bottom/scramble, at best. That's why most JJ matches start with buttscooting.
@@InvisibleHotdog "taking the fight to the ground" means wrestling/judo
@@InvisibleHotdog that’s sport bjj. Traditional Gracie Jiujitsu has lots of takedowns
It really seems like he spent way too much time rolling and not enough time boxing. His stand up guard was very unpolished. If Jordain was better at kicking, the fight would have ended much sooner. Imagine if Kron was facing someone like Adesanya. His legs would have been obliterated.
He’s a 145 pounder, a guy like Volk would genuinely leave him unable to walk for a week. It’d look like the Ortega fight outside those close Hail Mary submissions, a brutal beat down
Keep rolling rolling
You need to set up those submissions with either elite wresting (which Kron doesn’t have) or remarkable striking (which Kron doesn’t have). You can’t just “drag” dudes to the ground anymore. Khabib can submit dudes because he has that superior wrestling. Charles Oliveira can submit dudes because he can actually strike and has the power to put you down.
Khabib has amazing bjj
MMA is different now, you can't survive being a one dimensional fighter.
Tbh if I found out the Gracie’s refused to let kron train any striking, I wouldn’t be surprised
The rest of the world has had 25 years to find a blend of different tactics to neutralise old school Gracie BJJ, which includes wrestling, TDD, the jab, the teep, and of course more BJJ. The art evolved when Helio and Carlos learned it back in the 1930s. Now its become a dogma with some people ... and holding onto an art that's 30 years out of date is only going to yield similar results.
If Kron threw himself into wrestling, this previous fight would have been substantially different. He needs to get on top to use the full scope of his BJJ mastery IMHO.
conquered the world of free fighting while sakuraba destroyed all the gracies ....meanwhile they where dodging to fight good fughters all the time and cherry picking their opponents.
and yet without them their would be no UFC? or people like you making comments about them.
Yes it was me , I spanked Ryan ,Royce , renzo, those guys were nothing to me.
BJJ is not that useful when you have no way of taking the fight to the ground. And the problem is he is bound to fail, he could never live up to the expectations of his name.
He fought like Rickson used to, but with added buttscooting lmao. Except Rickson could get by in his time, MMA has left the Gracies behind.
He tried a takedown as early as round 1. Got shoved off. It’s like people want to see a particular story. He never felt like he could get the takedown, so he banged and lost. And then all the stories and excuses start. He never tried to rebuild himself as a mma fighter, and he didn’t this time either.
It’s odd that the Gracies haven’t had any ufc title belt holders
he thought he was gonna come back and dominate like he was in ufc 1 😂😂😂
a lot of coaches from the couch in the comments haha
A year or two ago Kron was being hyped online somewhere, and I commented "yes, but he's a rudimentary striker". No one who had seen him fight up to that point took him seriously as an MMA fighter. It was a bit like the Ben Askren situation. A guy is hyped by an organization but anyone paying attention knows it's all bs. [ Some "journalists" are paid to say good things about fighters in upcoming fights. ] If you watched the Cub Swanson fight alone, you'd know--no one with Kron's striking, at his age, has any chance whatsoever in the UFC. That fight was like watching a grown man beat up a child. So it was with Kron. He's 35, and has been beaten to a pulp in his last two fights. He has a great chin and a great spirit, just shitty striking. Let's move on.
I can't wait for the Ruotolos to transition to MMA I think their style of bjj will be dominate, fast paced, dynamic and aggressive I feel like they are the new wave of grappling in MMA
They’ll probably look similar to aj McKee, weird striking effective enough to set up takedowns and quick subs attempts.
Yeah, those boys are savages. Dynamic, nonstop action. Great cardio
Kron Dis-Gracie
Disgrace? One of the greatest grapplers ever? Join reality
😂
Long ago Marcelo Garcia showed the world what happens when a BJJ fighter can't take the fight to the ground. Kron didn't get the memo.
Roger gracie? Marcelo Garcia?
Wait isnt the sales pitch is how dominance of Gracie Jujitsu is. How no other art can compare. He should have dominated all his fights not fall on BS excuses. Fighting is fighting. No family brand is close to Perfection but the sj
Skill and heart of the individual.
They sold people that lie and made millions off of it. Laughing all the way to the bank.
@@JesusChrist2000BC keyboard warrior lol
@@jeremyswanson1992he's right though. They commercialized their art, made their money and are now getting slaughtered by those who never changed their focus.
Cuz you can't just on jiu-jitsu. You need wrestling to make it work
@@JesusChrist2000BC yeah, they're good now. They need to sell it again humiliating their progeny in the process
2:19 With all due respect to Charles Jourdain that wasn't even the highest level, Kron stands no chance against the likes of Topuria, Mitchell, Allen, Ortega, let alone Volk himself. This says so much about how the sport is LONG gone from the one trick pony era, if you got blatant holes in your game you sure as hell your opponent gonna milk the shit out of it.
This guy is so cocky for no reason, Ben Askren has better striking than him.
Bjj alone is low tier trash. This is the formula for success.
1. Striking (Mau Thai, boxing, karate)
2. Wrestling.
3. Bjj (is only the cherry on top).
Essentially if you are building a human out of parts the head and torso are striking, limbs are Wrestling, hands and feet are Bjj.
He is still better than 99% of the people commenting here.
Dumbest comment ever
No he's not.
@@zhihonghuang5203 100% if I include you dipshit
Lol true, but not the point
@Errayo - Well, if he could, that means he could kick your @$$ - cos I certainly can. Durp!
the gracie family are over hype in jui jitsu and yet they are arrogant. im glad sakurabi single handedly kicked their asses
To be fair, the Gracies were legends and really shaped the movement to MMA but they weren't really ever "MMA" fighters.
They never really tried to evolve or become proficient in other forms of fighting, they just wanted to show BJJ was supreme and it was when no one else knew how to grapple.
They became obsolete as soon as people started to train multiple disciplines and the sport evolved.
No one can take away what they did for Jiu Jitsu and MMA but they haven't been really relevant in either for a long time now.
Imagine Kron Gracie joining American Top Team or Wink's, coud be a beast
No his striking is worst than Ben Askren.
Jourdain sparing partner here, all we did was practise closed guard escapes and takedown defense, thats all gracie had..
Some coaches think they know boxing or how to actually teach it.
Just because you have mits doesn’t mean you could teach. 1st is to understand the art of slipping, countering, faking, how to go to the body, which way to step and when, timing, standing in the pocket, how to get on your bicycle effectively without being hit, how to fight orthodox vs how to fight a southpaw, it’s not only keeping your foot outside your opponent. Just like MMA, there are levels to this game.
He pulls guard & doesn't try for anything. Same vs Cub. He obviously disrespected MMA & worked on nothing.
I can't live like this anymore. the gambling, the coke, the cyber begging. Their going to take emily way. I'm such a failure
What?
@@therainman7777 he betted on bro and apparently lost 600 dollars
If he just had take downs and rudimentary stand up he'd be a world beater. The Gracie path to victory is a submission not a ko
His boxing is awful .. he thinks he doesn't need to be good at boxing ... he's not even as strong as Ben Askren who dominated everyone on the ground ... his Dad is always on his mind
If he had Askrend takedowns he would be fine because his BJJ and submission game r at another level, but if u can’t get the fight to the ground all that BJJ Is useless
@@xmanc5687 BJJ doesn't have the strength of wrestlers ... he doesn't have the strength of Ben Askren to get fighters on the ground; he knows how to choke and twist but that's it
@@UFCtrumpsboxing I know he doesn’t hv the strength of wrestlers, but my point is if he was able to get these guys down like Askrem or Khabib, his bjj is phenomenal, and it’s more than just twisting and choking.
He just sucks in mma, some people are not good fighters, dont get me wrong, he is one of the best jiu jitsu grapplers alive, but he is also one of the worst fighters signed to the ufc.
great video- great breakdown
Not so great taksdiwn
His problem is that he doesn't have as much willpower as his father and he hangs out with criminals and people who aren't good at all . If he lived next door to his father or had friends who pushed him to succeed, he might have long been a mixed martial arts champion !!!
He has potential, he needs to do things like Renzo and Rian, not Royce. People like Ben Askren and Damien Maia proved pure Grappling is not enough for the UFC
Askren was a shell by the time he joined ufc.. guy was so beat up from injuries it’s a miracle he was able to walk to the cage
Maia was a damn good fighter. Just because you never win a title doesn’t make u a failure or bad fighter😂 guy beat alot of damn good fighters. He won 22 fights in the ufc n lost 11.. that’s a winning fighter. Guy won twice as many fights as he lost.
GIVE MY MONEY KRON!!!! It's unfair. I didn't know you were so bad. ANSWER ME
Do the Gracie family do anything else , or in their own minds everything else is below them?. Sometimes it is so nice to see them brought down to earth. When the reality remains BJJ is possibly the worst form of self defense in real life or death situations.
The worst form of self defense? What the hell? You position Aikido higher? Or Kung fu? Or Kendo maybe? I would say bjj is quite good, close to the top actually, when it comes to self defense. Because you do not only train it but actually practice it every time. Wrestling or Sambo might be better, but to say that bjj is the worst form of self defense? Why would you say that?
The worst?😂
excellent editing
It's been well over a decade since a Gracie(Roger) even has won in BJJ competition. They are quite narcissistic when I've met some of them.
It’s not that he didn’t use his bjj, he wasn’t allowed to. Cub Swanson shut him down. Kron never stood a chance.
too much reliance of bjj isnt ideal for MMA anymore. Fighters wont engage with bjj guys to eventually get submitted. they have figured that part out pretty well. Without wrestling bjj is not as useful in MMA.
It seems like Kron doesn't want to fight in the UFC.
If that's the case, then he should quit.
If not, then he should try to improving his striking by practising muay thai and by doing lots and lots of boxing sparring.
There's simply no way around it.
If Kron sucks so much, how come his opponent couldn’t finish him?
It was decision, big deal. If Kron sucks the guy should have knocked him out or submitted him.
Even Kron, he has 5 wins and they are all finishes
He always have that face of "Fuck, i wanted to be a lawyer"
The entire world is not watching Kron Gracie's ANY move. He's a never was in MMA.
Kron needs to learn folkstyle wrestling
the problem is, he should've switched to ONE Championship. they are 10x better than UFC and actually cater to those who just wanna do nothing but grappling
Kron ruined the Gracie name. None of my friends respect that family anymore and even go as far as to laugh and poke fun at them.
I bet not to their face. They definitely still on thar you disrespect me in my face I beat that as
@@whisky_icarus8731 there all either elderly or reaching elderly tough guy, the Disgracies have fallen.
Kron clearly dislikes prize fighting. Even so he was 5-0 until he fought Club Swanson.
Thing is, this is NOT a bad record. It's just that he is a Gracie and so victory is synonymous with the Gracie name. I don't think Kron is a guy that enjoys fighting and his absence from competition, clocking in 7 fights in nearly a decade, makes this evident. Most MMA fighters will have clocked in around 20 fights by this point.
The guy wants to run his fight academy, skateboard and train. That's about it. Training to stay fit and training to fight are two different things. He has said so on a few occasions that he entered competitive fighting to appease his brother who wanted him to continue the family's legacy. At 35, this is not his prime to do that. He has yet to be KO'd and losses against veteran UFC fighters by decision have no shame attached. He has done the Gracie name proud but this is not his vocation.
Clinch is the only way, add some greco and dirty boxing. He will never be a great striker but he doesn't have to be. He just needs to learn enough to get him close. Also he seems very fixed on close guard. His game has not changed in 10 years. I love BJJ and Kron but everyone I know agrees, wrestling, footlocking, adding new stuff is the way to go. Kron needs to do this as well. I think the need to prove Gracie JJ has left him a dinosaur in MMA.
You can’t just clinch. You need to get into that range and set up shit…otherwise you get clipped coming in. Or the safe bet is to actually learn how to wrestle like GSP.
@@elel2608 He needs to add something
@@insidethevelvetglove3919 He needs superior striking or to make wrestling work for him like GSP.
What's Kron's excuse for losing, the Gracies' always have an excuse for losing
Guys try to understand if he was not wearing that shitty martial arts white suit he would have won period ❤
He came out and blamed his team
He didn't get finished so it was a moral victory
Not all martial artists are meant to compete.
B team has an eye on the future. Great top game, takedowns, guards, slick submissions, as long as they can learn how to avoid hits that is the new style to beat.
He needs to forget everything Gracie if he wants a shot at being a good mma fighter. The Gracie’s gave us bjj which we’re grateful for but they still believe it’s the holy grail and still believe that it’s enough on its own to win fights. There not prepared to evolve in mma or bjj for that matter and not to mention there so arrogant. They need to get over them selfs and accept that Gracie jiujitsu is outdated or there gonna find them selfs falling more and more behind in both sports.
His loss to Cub shouldn't be a knock against him -- that dude is a hard-core veteran and was still in his prime years when they fought. That he decided to stand with him likely wasn't the best thing to do...but he did quite well considering who he was fighting.
Admittedly, I don't follow the UFC as closely anymore...so I didn't see the fight and am not ultra familiar with the guy he fought last. The huge layoff, I think it's safe to say, likely played a part though. Having to jump right back in to his UFC contract likely didn't help much, either (versus coming up through smaller promotions, etc).
Ideally he would have been working on his striking this whole time, but what most are saying is true: the Gracie's aren't really big adopters of anything other than their own system. At least not to the point that they need to in order to keep up with elite competition. I started my BJJ journey at a Gracie school way back in about 2004, and while I loved what I learned there...the art has definitely evolved.
I wish he would go hard in Jits - he is a monster there
He trains striking with the Diaz brothers. They have never been known for amazing boxing technique or amazing power but instead for their cardio, volume and unreal toughness, none of which Kron has. He should have chosen someone else to train with and emulate their style. Honestly a wrestler would have been a good idea to learn proper takedowns.
He wanted to be an accountant but forced into bjj
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Nobody thought of him as a fighter. Not sure where his downfall went? He’s never been considered anything but a grappler. He won some fights w grappling. But by no means a fighter
BJJ is the new mcdojo Karate
That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen. You clearly never grappled a day in your life. A one strip white belt in bjj would fuck you up😂
He should have been in a D1 wrestling room for the last number of years and he may have been good, but I'm still not sure that would have been enough. He just doesn't seem like an mma fighter.
Was hoping for more too. Oh well....
Was so disappointed with Kron
He fought like his opponent didn't know grappling.
This guy has some bad MMA coaches. He needs an MMA coach someone who knows how to adapt his styles into the sport
The old school style does work till this day,,and if you put young Rickson in time machine to fight these new school guys he would still win,,the thing you don't understand is that kron is not built as wise skilled strength and talented and tough as his father,, most kids from famous fighters want to be like there dad but they need to understand its not there calling.. another example you put a young 20 year old mike tyson to fight these new boxing school generation mike will knock them all out . Because he was built to fight at a highly phenomenal level,, God gifted,, not everyone is built to fight at a super high level,, and very few built to be phenomenal mma and boxing world champions,, you have champions then you have phenomenal gifted legendary world champions ..big difference..mike tyson and Rickson Gracie,, where both legendary phenomenal world champions..built and born to fight at its best of the best ..in there craft ..
Gracies are overrated
Complete disaster
Gracie 2nd gen curse, also known as thinking you can win in MMA without learning MMA
He didn’t throw any strikes. BJJ alone wont get you far in the ufc.
The narrator the same dude from Warthog Defense?
It showed how much mma evolved over the years 🤷
He should develop a style similar to Oliviera 🥊🥊🥊 before too late he still has a chance for redemption tho
ANSWER ME KRON. ANSWER ME!!!!!!
He believes the earth is flat. I’m honestly surprised he can take care of himself.
Kron vs CM Punk the fight we want to see lmao
Epic.. can do that any weekday dream
Krona biggest issue isn’t even skill. His mind is just not in the right place. He isn’t even sure if he wants to be fighting. How will he win if he isn’t sure if fighting is what he wants to do.
Kron "Chip on his shoulder" Gracie
Kron Gracie's seems an honest guy, If it was a real fight with out the rules and not time limit I know who would win.
Kron would probably get KO’d.
Not kron
@@Earthman369 - yes K.ron
Matt Serra is high level bjj he has like one or two submission lol. It's mostly KOs and decisions.
The reason he failed was because the Gracies never evolved
it was like watching a drunk bum get beat up by a frat boy outside a bar.
Kroni can teach you how to box and wrestle and kick box basically MMA but it will cost you 1 million dollars
kron vs ryan hall lets go
That's what he gets trying to act like he's "Brazilian Batman" or Alex Pereira backstage. Even in the presence of someone who accomplished much more than him, Henry Cejudo.
fucking jui jitsu man. what the hell was I thinking
The level of disrespect in these comments is wild. The kid made it to ufc. He’s better than you. Kron could butt scoot his around 1000 more octagons and he would still whip most of your asses if he wasn’t too kind. Just shut up w your couch coaching, go train, make it to ufc and then you can tell kron your opinion of him in the ring face to face. Until you are there just stop. He can make adjustments come back n be the best ever.. you can’t. Or if either of you could do that, he’s probably closer to it than you now by light years. My money on him. And his brother smoked weed. That’s it. Back then it was looked down on especially by Brazilian parents in Torrance it wasn’t as widely accepted. He was a good kid.
God! I am such a fuckin degenerate why did I have to bet all of that money. 3 years of saving down the drain. But Patrick was so sure. I'm so fucking stupid
In his highlights you can see him train boxing and striking. Yet he has no stand up skills... What a let down... I really thought he was gonna be next big thing.
i just dont get how he can be worse after 3 years
He has all the tools and the help he needs….. man up ? Or get out.
I needed that money Kron. That was my daughter's insulin payment man. Diabetic ketoacidosis is no joke. She's missed three days of school. I ain't got insurance. All you had to was duck under and uppercut. This my daughter's life man.
Bad attitude, a bad fight, and just overall not worth watching. He should just keep teaching not good enough to be in UFC anymore.
Keyboard warrior
Ikr bro will never what its like to train or be a fighter,this aint hockey.Lets see you do a better fight