Here’s how the Dodge Shadow and Plymouth Sundance were more than just a lead-up to the Neon
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2022
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In this episode I provide the history of the Dodge Neon and Plymouth Sundance, which were on Chrysler's P platform that was derived from the K car. It started in 1987, and its predecessors, the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, stayed on for 3 more years. It was replaced by the Dodge and Plymouth Neon by 1995. There was also a limited-production Carroll Shelby model called the CSX that was made in three different versions from 1987 through 1989. 
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My parents had a 92 Sundance and they drove it for 18 years! I learned to drive in it! These were such great cars. The rear hatch was very unique as it looked like a sedan but the amount of stuff you could get inside was insane. Very reliable, very dependable. Just a solid small car from that era.
I had a 94 2.5L that ran up to 220K miles. I drove it until I graduated college. I do miss the simplicity and how easy it was to carry my drum set around with the lift gate.
My first car was a 1992 Dodge Shadow ES convertible with the 3.0 V6 in white with a red interior. The original owner lived up the street from me in the same subdivision when I was like 7 or 8 years old. Then I moved away. When I turned 16 my parents bought me the Shadow as my first car as a used trade-in at the local Chrysler dealer. When cleaning the car out, that's when I discovered the paperwork that let me know my new car was in fact the old car from my youth, the neighbour owned. I cleaned it, put a new top on it, repainted all the panels with peeling paint, and took the spoiler from a hatchback in a junk yard and fitted it to my convertible. I loved that car.
They were AWESOME cars! SO UNDERRATED!
My wife got a 1992 Shadow America in 2008 as her first car. The owner was a 90 year old lady who was going blind. It was in mint condition, was even undercoated, and had a whopping 21k miles on it. It was even optioned out with a radio and rear defrost.
We had it for five years until my wife totalled it on an icy highway in 2013. It had just clocked 50k. That car gave me my love for weird time capsule vehicles.
I remember my dad getting a ticket in his 1990 Sundance, going 85 in a 65, back in '96 driving me home from the airport. He said the car drove so smoothly he wasn't conscious of how fast he was going!
My uncle had a Shadow with the V6. Whenever I see one on the road, I think about him. RIP.
Did he take you mudding in Gatlinburg Tennessee
I had a 90 Sundance that I bought new. Drove it for 190,000 miles over 9 years. Great little car.
I had a 1988 CSX-T. They were great cars that handled well and had plenty of power for their day.
I had one too and I agree with your assessment.
Oh, the beautiful irony that it was called that.
That is CSX's marker on the stock market
When compared to its domestic competition, the Shadow was actually quite good quality at the time. Similar GM and Ford models had much lower quality body & interior components, and would be found squeaking, rattling with everything "loose", broken interior pieces due to plastic fatigue, ripped seats due to thin materials, etc. Similarly aged/mileage Chrysler products at the time would often still be very tightly put together with interiors wearing well by comparison. It was often telling when you went to a junkyard and looked at the typical 10-15 year old car around 2000, the Ford & Chevy compact/midsize/economy cars would look trashed. The Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth stuff would look like you could give it a good detail and put it back on a dealer lot... well except for the peeled clearcoat everything had back then.
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No, Chrysler has made low quality vehicles since the seventies. So many inferior products over the years.
@@garyhoutz1540 you missed that part "when compared to its domestic competition". Cars like the Ford Tempo and the Chevy Cavalier were shitboxes on wheels.
My grandma Marie had a 1989 Dodge Shadow, it was a dark blue 4 door, we had alot of great memories in that car, sadly it would be her last car as she passed away 6 years later in 1995. My Uncle bought her the car to replace her aging light blue 1982 Chevrolet Cavalier 4 door sedan that was starting to fall apart another great car that we had alot of great memories with as well.
Plymouth Sundance…. 1992. 2 Door. God, that was a fun car! Thank you for this episode!
My first ever car was a 1991 Plymouth Sundance
Same here. Mine was a '92 aqua 5 speed. I drove it from '96 to '03.
I had a Plymouth Sundance 1992
I know tons of people that had these cars growing up. Another car I remember seeing a lot of were Chevy Celebrity’s and later the Luminas. I think half of my friends parents or grandparents owned at least one of them at some point.
My parents had a ‘92 Lumina. The 2-door sportier version was the Monte Carlo for that time. It was comfy
My grandma had a Pontiac 6,000 AND a Celebrity. Both looked & ran identical. 2.5L Iron Duke econobxes.
My parents test drove a Celebrity in 88 before deciding to get a Taurus. Good decision.
Ah yes the GM A-Body cars... Fun Fact.... Did you know that the 1986 Chevrolet Celebrity (was/is) the last model car GM sold, that held the title of "The Best Selling Car In America."
Truer words have yet to be spoken. (C. 1999-2001) My older brother had a low mile, great condition 87 4 door during hs. My best friend had an 87 2 door for hs and into college. Ex had the convertible one. All of them were them powered by the basic 2.2 w/ 3 spd. All of them needing head gaskets every 30k miles. Besides these, all the 80’s and 90’s hand-me-downs/first car purchases flooded the streets, once my generation started earning their DLs.
I owned a 1990 Plymouth Sundance 5-door with the 2.5L non-turbo and 3-speed automatic. It was a great car! Very dependable. Very cheap and easy to work on. The interior was quite plush and comfortable for an entry-level car. I loved that it looked like a sedan, but had the practicality of a hatchback. I miss it dearly.
Oh man this car. I had a faded red, which looked pink, Sundance and my closest buddy had a shadow at the same time of the same color. Loved how I wasn't worried about it since it was so cheap. It was crappy but I had fun with it
Late late 80's early 90's dodge turbo cars including the CSX are some of the coolest cars ever made. The three years of CSX were perfect to me.
I have an 87 csx and I like it better than anything I have ever had! It is not the best built or the fastest car I ever had but it is a hoot to drive!
Dodge made about 250 units in 1990 (before being canceled for carbon buildup on the turbo vanes) a VNT Competition Package, VNT turbo, heavy-duty 568 manual 5 speed, light weight with no spoilers except on the rear hatch, no fog light or center console. The only colors available were white, red, black. Very rare.
I actually own a 1991 2.5 4i plymouth sundance with around 30k miles on it, I love the car.
One of the ubiquitous 80’s “car” of the time. For those who didn’t have much to spend or didn’t know much about cars or both. These bring back memories of the time, as they were everywhere.
Yes, they sure were. My very first car was a 93 Sundance. A “hand me down” courtesy of my stepmother at the time. She got herself a new 97 Sebring, so the Sundance went to me and I was more than happy to have the wheels.
I took very good care of it. Not one drop of oil ever leaked from under the 2.2 liter’s valve cover (a known issue nearly all Chrysler engines had at that time.)and with gas prices where they were in the mid to late 90’s, seems like I could usually fill it up with the less than $20 and go all week long. Only thing to ever give out on that car was the factory cassette player, otherwise it was one of the most dependable and fuel efficient vehicles I’ve ever owned. You weren’t going to impress any car enthusiast with it, but it would get you from point A to point B reliably while costing very little to do so.
Omg,my cousin had a Sundance in 1990. A fun little piece of trash car,lol. Like a weird slightly metallic burgundy color Ive never seen on a car again. Underpowered and rubbish in the winter. Then a few years later she got another,albeit more sporty "looking", piece of trash. A Dodge Daytona.Good times.
@@careful__Icarus The color of the car your cousin owned that you referred to as a metallic burgundy was actually listed as “Wildberry Pearl Metallic” and basically looked exactly the way you described it, like a metallic burgundy. Most reading this probably think the color we’re talking about would look rather.. horrid. And although it’s not a color that I would want my vehicle to have by any means, it really wasn’t a bad looking color overall. It was one of several eccentric colors Chrysler offered for various vehicle models back then. My sister owned a Daytona. It had the factory ground effects, not sure of the paint code, but it was a metallic blue/silver two-toned. Cool, sporty looking car, yes.. would hardly outrun a person on foot. Going up hill, it would display such a terrible multiple cylinder misfire that it made you want to get out and walk home… while letting the car just drift into a ditch.
0:54 - wooo! That’s me! Thanks for doing this video! The Shadow and Sundance were great cars for their time. Flexible hatchbacks and good looks at a great price and fun to drive with the turbo (or at least a 5-speed).
I had a 4 cylinder auto and was an absolute turd, man. I knew a cat that had a 5-speed V6 and it was a totally different car tho. I always loved the Shadows looks. It’s a sharp lil car, I always thought
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0:20 - quick note: the Omni/Horizon pre-dated the K-platform. They were actually based on the European Simca platform (they are not actually K cars).
Yeah the Omni/Horizon were known as the L-platform and were heavily modified from the Simca platform. Yes the underpinnings were European and they were larger then the original Simca platform.
3:18 - another quick note: the new-for-1987 J-body was also a direct descendant of the K-body, though it shared much with the Daytona/Laser G-bodies. It helped consolidate the confusing number of Lebaron-badged FWD cars from Chrysler.
Funny that it was 3:18, Chrysler's workhorse small block for many, many moons.
I seen a Shadow ES about two weeks ago; White with red trim. But prior to that, it has probably been a good 7+ years since I've seen one; whereas when I was a teen in the 90s, I seen them almost everyday where I lived.
One of my brother's friends had a Plymouth Duster with the V6 and I believe a manual transmission...that thing was a sleeper.
Me and my friend Matt in his bmw 5 series were flying down some backwoods street in Maryland and some kids in a dodge shadow came up beside us and blew the doors off that BMW I couldn't believe how quick that cars was
I have 3 1993 Shadows for some reason, very difficult cars to keep on the road but so much fun to drive. Hardest problem for me is keeping the coolant leaks under control. I really like them over comparable cars from the era because of the head and leg room they offer.
Are you using the single layer head gasket or the composite? The composite really helps eliminate leaks around the head/block, the single layer is really really difficult to keep in check.
@@rooh5825 the gaskets are usually not the cause of leaks on the V6 versions. I find that hoses and water pump failures are most common
@@triptheroad - no worries, I was discussing the 2.2 and 2.5 I4 engines.
Are you the person selling a 93 in Georgia?
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 nah I'm in Virginia
I had a 88 Sundance 4 door with the 2.5, Auto when I lived in Albuquerque. It was a very reliable car and easily handled the high altitude mountain roads I drove when exploring the area. I had nothing but good memories of my Sundance.
My first roommate had one of these. It was an old man’s car when it was new. It never seemed like a cool car. I drove it plenty. My mom had a Aries K car. Ironically for this channel, my mom’s next car was a Geo Metro and my roommates next car was a GMC Jimmy. Both of those vehicle were covered in previous episodes here. I just love this channel for its many trips down memory lane.
I agree!! I just left a comment, basically sayin the same (about the memories)!!!
@@SMELLGOODER I pretty much comment on every video. I just love this channel. I used to run a tire shop in the late 90’s and early 2000’s every video is so relatable. I just love these videos!!
I feel ya, and I really like the fact that these videos are just straight to the point, informative, and nostalgic all at the same time 👍🇺🇲
Here's a point from AN OLD GUY; I remember when ANY car (what you WANTED or what was (more likely) there! You learned to LOVE the ones that took your ass over the road, whether they were (sexy, trendy, luxury, "image" or what the f&ck ever!) A CAR IS A CAR! As long as it does its job when needed, IS GREAT!
@@johnmaki3046 it’s perhaps a generational thing, during the late 60’s and early 70’s cars served much less of a utilitarian function and became more of a trendy accessory. People would save their money for the purchase of the latest and greatest vehicle. Then as people diverged, they liked vehicle that may be older and more eclectic. Leading us to today. Vehicles are bought for style and fashion, mostly. In the United States we buy for less utilitarian reasons than we used to. Someone will buy a car that get 3 mpg and causes rickets if that’s what the celebrities are doing. Or that’s what’s fashionable.
The Dodge Shadow!! I had a 1990, red, spoiler, tinted windows, 5 speed manual,.... sporty little "coupe", and I thought, "I'm so cool!!"!!! I was 18, had my first job, new car, rockin Drakkar, wearing
K-Swiss kicks, peg legged jeans, a mullet, lol!!
Great vid!! You brought back some great memories for me!!!
My dad bought a Dodge Dynasty with the Mitsubishi V6 from his company's fleet (the sales reps drove them all over the country). That engine was a lovely thing, smooth and decently torquey, and it could get the heavier Dynasty out of its own way decently. I'm guessing that it would have been a hoot in the lighter Shadow/Sundance and the Daytona. Maybe a retrofit into the 80's Charger would be a giggle too.
@@CarportCarl the transmissions were much better than they got credit for. The shift issues were normally the valve block which was external unlike most cars. A new one was cheap and took half an hour to change. The fluid leaking issues got a bushing repair in the aftermarket. You could do that for 150 or 200 bucks for the customer and itt was better than original. Greedy dealers and transmission shops ruined the reputation of pretty ok transmissions. Not great, but more solid than most realized
My mother once owned a 1993 Dodge Dynasty. It had the Mitsubishi 3.0 liter V6 and anti-lock brakes. It was a great car at the time.
@@timmythompson2186 tell that to the many owners who went through two or three of the cursed A604 transmissions before throwing in the towel. The 4 cylinder models were so much better because they got a413 three speed auto that would last forever by comparison.
My sister had a 1990 Dynasty she bought from a co worker of my mom... we called it “The Nasty.” It had a lovely whorehouse red velour interior and was totally a comfy old lady car. Pretty sure it had the Mitsubishi 3.0 as well.
@@AlvinBrinson in 1990 almost every 3.0 had three speed in vans. We still have a few. I believe od was an option but almost none had it . Most of the problems people had were easy fix external valve bodies or the bearing that kept axle stable so they would have play and destroy seal causing rapid fluid loss. I'd say 3/4 of them were that fix, but transmission shops sold rebuilds in most cases. The other issue was then people would run generic dex2 to fill or service which seemed to make issues appear compared to running Chrysler 7176(the pre atf 3 then later atf4) transmission fluid
I always admired how this hatchback that was styled to look like a coupe with a trunk. I really thought that was going to become a trend, adds so much practicality, and allows for those cool slopping rear glass without such a TINY trunk lid like so many, even very large cars have now.
Much better to have the rear glass open with the trunk lid.
The best of both worlds, sleek coupe looks with hatchback practicality.
My boss at my first job had one of those in blue and 4dr sedan. A former friend’s boss had a turbo sedan rotted away in a car graveyard at his shop. Everything still there EXCEPT front and rear windshield which destroyed the interior due to weather beating living up here in the northeast. I believe it still sits there to this day. The building has been abandon about 10 years ago and everything is heavily overgrown.
is it up for sale? or is it just private collection? hoping to save it one day
I always wonder what was up the the owners when cars just sit like that. Seems soo many run of the mill cars ware just "wasted" back in the day. Now theres all these computers ppl spend a fortune diagnosing when they could've changed a starter back then & been on their way.
I actually just saw a Sundance the other day. Red one in traffic, didn't see any rust or dents on it, and the paint was still shiny. I was freaking out a little
Sorry P bodies
I drove the Plymouth Sundance owned by a friend a few times as a loaner.. I really liked how small and agile it was. It seemed like a much bigger and better equipped car for it's size.. And yeah, I haven't seen one of these in California driving around for decades!
Well. In state of Missouri there are still a few of them around. One of them is a base convertible.
My father had a Plymouth Sundance that was green. It was a neat car
I love those commercials that are so over the top and essentially for a different car, it was catfishing before catfishing.
Do the Spirit too!
Funny thing about these cars and Spirit/Acclaim, they had great traction in base form. 14" skinny tires, 3 speed auto,
car never slipped and went through a foot of snow like it wasnt there.
Dodge Spirit R/T had the same 224 hp engine as the heavier daytona iroc r/t. That little spirit could move.
I had a Dodge Spirit absolutely loved that car I live in the snow belt and you are right I swear it was as good as a four-wheel drive in the snow the car was a true tank
😄I remember seeing the Green and Gold Dusters when i was young, I thought they were super quick cause they had that "V6" badge a spoiler & dual exhaust pipes LOL❗ That's why I absolutely LOVE THIS CHANNEL it brings back a ton of feel good memories. One of my favorite channels (all time) I can never wait patiently for new vids GREAT GREAT STUFF❗ ✌🏾
I had a white base model 4 door, loved that little thing, rode like a big car
The intro clip brought back a lot of memories.
I loved my Shadow, it was a 91 4 door, gold and automatic with a 2.5 4 cylinder. It was a good car.It actually is still being driven.
A 91 shadow still being driven? 😮 damn, that _is_ surprising!
I can’t believe the amount of info on these videos. Thanks for the hard work.
And he keeps moving without tangents! Seamless!
I once had an '89 Shadow that I drove until 2009. The reason they disappeared is that parts were no longer available and they couldn't be fixed. It was a great car, and I still miss it.
Every time I go to the junkyard and see one, I stock up on very specific parts for mine that I know are discontinued or hard to find. The V6 cars drive especially well, so it's a shame there isn't many parts left to keep them running aside from the engine and transmission which were common in other cars
I had two Shadow's. A 1990 red sedan and a 1993 ES coupe teal. That '93 had the Mitsubishi engine and man did it have the power. I miss that car. I hauled sheets of drywall in it and all kinds of stuff. That hatchback was awesome. I still see two driving around my town now both coupes. One is black and one is teal.
I bought a brand new 1993 duster with the 3.0L V-6 and 5spd in Wineberry with a Grey interior and all the options...thing was an absolute pocket rocket! Friend had a new escort gt...his computer shut him down at 116mph...the duster would do 121mph before the computer shut mine down...lost the nose bra at 118mph one night, lol. The thing FLEW!
My wife had a Plymouth Sundance when we first met. It was fantastic in the snow. Plenty of legroom and shoulder room so it was comfortable for men like me. It was very drivable and I liked it. It actually turned me on to Chrysler/Mopar products for the first time. Since then we have owned four Chrysler products and been happy with all of them. I also take meticulous care of them.
My first car was a two door 89 Shadow. No airbags, manual windows and a cassette deck.
My first brand new car was a 1994 Plymouth Sundance Duster with the V6. I loved that car!
My mother bought a used Plymouth Acclaim. It had a V6 and ridiculously fast for what it was.
I daily mine. It’s my first car and has only 71,000 miles. 2.5 N/A auto and no rust.
One of my friends had an 89 model year car and it was a decent car. By the late 80s the muscle cars like Camaro, Firebird’s and Mustangs were fading fast. The 90s would be the era of small but reasonable affordable speedy cars like the Shadow, Civic, Corolla etc. My wife bought a first year Neon and it didn’t take long for it to need a head gasket. The Shadow seemed to pave the way into the 90s.
i throughly enjoyed watching this. yes, the Dodge Shadow and variants were everywhere. you have plenty of well produced videos, glad to be a subscriber. PS. Love the ongoing theme song in the background, it’s become signature in your videos.
These were nice looking econoboxes, roads were full of them back in the day.
I always look forward to a new My Old Car video, you do such a great job chronicling the history of each car line you review!
One car I am waiting to see you review is the Lincoln Towncar. While it wasn't my first car, a 1988 signature series was the first car I purchased for myself over 20 years ago. I would love to see you do a review on this car line!
I almost! Almost traded in my Dodge Omni! But as I drove away from the dealership I came to my senses and decided to keep my Omni!
I had an '88 Shadow Shelby CSX-T. It was one that was built for Thirty rental cars. That car was a blast to drive. That thing went its Goodyear VR 50 Gatorback tires at an alarming rate. I must say that driving it in upstate New York winters was "interesting". Thanks for this video it brought many fond memories of my good times with that car.
I had a Daytona with 2.5 litre engine, automatic transmission, and pop up headlights. In 1991 Poland, it may as well have been a Ferrari! Car and Driver called the Shadow/ Sundance they tested "The Dwarf" for its tall height/short length proportions.
That is awesome, what did you do that allowed you to be that well off back then? If you don't mind me asking.
@Timmy Thompson I was a junior US Army officer stationed in West Germany.
I owned several FWD turbo dodge cars in the 1990's. 88' Lebaron GTC turbo, 87' Plymouth Sundance turbo, 1991 Shelby Dodge Daytona Iroc. When the Neon SRT-4 came out, it was a no brainer, I bought my first brand new car, a CE version. I own it today, 85k miles, mint condition, still rips off crazy acceleration. But every one of the cars I listed had a special place in my heart, in terms of fun, frustration, and memories. I remember when I bought my SRT-4 new, how I realized that I just didn't see any of the Lancers, Lebarons, Shadows, Daytonas anymore. Now, 15 years removed from the last of the Neons being sold, the same thing is happening.
I used to drive the Neon SRT-4 around and owners of regular Neons would wave or come over in the parking lot, excited to see the "Neon on steroids". Now if I see a Neon, it's generally in very bad shape, usually driven by someone who, if they could afford it, would likely be in anything BUT the Neon they are in. There's no comradery or even recognition as I drive by like there used to be. 15 years seems to be the period of time a car platform will remain around and relevant after the sale of the last vehicles to come off that line, then they seem to entirely disappear, except for rare sightings. Sure, collectible cars like mustangs, ultra high sale volume vehicles like camrys and pickups, and certain models that just drive forever like civis (and again camrys), you'll see them around. But most models, around that 15 year mark, they ride into the junkyard sunset, and officially become a rare sighting when you see them. RIP Neons :(
I purchased a new 1989 model Dodge Shadow (in Canada). It was black, with a red cloth interior. I also opted for a 5 speed manual over an automatic. I loved that it was hatchback without looking like one. It actually lasted me until 2003! It was virtually indestructible. I wish I could remember what I paid for it.
The first car I had to take out a loan for was a '93 Shadow ES with the 3.0 and a manual transmission. The only options it didn't have were a sunroof or automatic. It wasn't fast by today's standards, but for a car you just bought and drove, it was pretty fun. If I ever come across one in reasonable condition, I'll try to buy it.
Thank you for this video and also thank you for including me as one of those who requested it. 0:52.
I own a Shelby CSX VNT. One of however many remaining of the original 500.
That 92 Duster was fun to drive
I had a 92 Plymouth Sundance America. The first car I bought after I graduated from high school. It was a year and a half old. I owned it for almost 10 years and had transmission rebuilt once. But the 2.2 never gave up. Man I put that car through hell.
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I had a 1988 Sundance turbo. I loved that car. I remembered ordering the bra and the front light covers from the Mopar accessories catalog. A lot of fun memories.
The Chrysler TC by Maserati does deserve its own episode. So does the entire Eagle line(1988-1998).
I once saw a sundandce turbo at the junkyard while getting parts for my reliant. The keys were in it and it started up! I almost asked how much for it 🤣
Awesome video! I had a 1992 Dodge Shadow, base model. man, that 2.2L 4 cylinder, and 3 speed auto transmission was an absolute Turd! lol. I was always having to downshift to 2nd to get extra power, and rev the hell out of it to get up these WV hills when i was in college. I liked the car a lot. Mine was a 2 door, and had plenty of room in it for me and a passenger. I even had subs in the trunk back when i was younger. It's a damn shame it rusted out completely in the rear, and had to get rid of it. Mechanically, it ran well for what it was. No major issues, except a timing belt, and a water pump.
My mother had a 1993 Shadow with the the V6. Quick little car. But quickly started burning oil to the point you had to keep an extra quart or two in the car and check it once a week.
I used to work for a guy who rebuilt totals and would often "clip" cars (join the front half of a car to the back half of another), back before they cracked down on that kind of thing. One of the cars he did was the front half of a Shadow to the rear half of a Sundance. After it was painted, I cut the decals for it and made "Shadow Dancer." It made it out the door without anyone noticing...
I love this little car! And it just so happened to be that I was waiting for this video and the Peugeot video and they both come out together!
1989 Sundance
2 door, 5 speed.
God, I miss that car.
That Duster commercial with the Hot Blonde was a favorite . Both were nice looking ,
No radio!!! That is incredible. Can you imagine the mental gymnastics required to get yourself to believe you hadn’t failed somehow by buying a new car with no radio!
You pick, I owned several! My first two cars weren't from the 80's, they were a 76 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royal sedan(with no opera windows), and a 75 American Motors Hornet (four door sedan), with a 258 straight six. However I did own an 84 Chevrolet Citation v6, and an 89 Honda Civic Si hatchback. I love your videos and would enjoy seeing any of those cars on them! Thanks for all of your hard work! I look forward to all of your next videos!
dude youre channel and editing are elite. I wonder so much about cas and car eveolution i been looking for a channel like this for so long
Just saw one in a Tim’s drive thru yesterday car was beaten to hell still had the original dealership sticker on the back! A real gem to see
While stationed at the Fulda gap I bought the 1989 Shadow (on post dealer, 3 month wait for the car) with the Mitsubishi 2.5L. I drove it into east Germany few months after the wall fell, those roads beat the hell out of my shocks and messed up the alignment as well.
I had a 4 door with that lovely v6. Hood bulge, red, spoiler... And it was my grandmother's!
Both the Sundance and the Shadow are extremely rare sighting on the roads, today.
One car that I owned that isn't seen that much today is a 1991 Mercury Capri. Wish I never sold it!! So fun to drive!
I test drove a Shadow ES with the 3.0L. Man it was quick and I really wanted to buy it, but the small rear window offered very little rear visibility thru a very small rear view mirror.
You let the back window, a window you look through maybe 1% of the entire time you own the vehicle, be the deal breaker?
Man some people are fuckin weird.
Try driving a Chrysler LHS, new Chevy Camaro, early Dodge Vipers, basically any Lambo or Farrari or car of that shape, then let’s talk about rear window visibility. The Shadow had a panoramic view compared to those cars.
Never drove a u-haul style box truck, or tradesman/cargo van have you?
If you know how to use your wing mirrors properly, you don’t need a rear window or centre mirror.
@@DanoFSmith-yc9tg Been driving box trucks for 30+ years. Mirrors on those trucks don't show what's directly behind it now do they??
@@DanoFSmith-yc9tg Maybe some people are cautious drivers and check their mirrors quite often to know what's around them. But you're perfect right? So I guess you don't need to even be able to see what's in front of you when you drive.
Our only brand new car was an 87 Sundance. Ours was a little bit different in that it was a Sundance 4 dr. with the Turbo and a 5 speed. While more common in the Dodge the 5 speed was never very popular in the Sundance from what I have found. We ordered it and waited. It was a late 87 production and we were also able so get the RS package of options. Great car but the big flaw on those engines was the head gasket. Almost every 2.2 and 2.5 ended up needing one at some point.
We had a 1987 Sundance with the Turbo 4-cylinder engine that we bought used from my wife’s boss. Great car. We enjoyed it for several years until the head gasket blew.
My buddy Sean had one of the Shelby models in High School. It was pretty amazing.
The duster trim was definitely a marketing gimmick. However people seem to forget, that 90% of what Chrysler did in the 1980's was a marketing gimmick.
Well, it was "The Iacocca Era", but they WERE TONS better than the over-priced Asian and Domestic CRAP dumped on us now!
After my truck got totaled in 2002 in am accident, I was awarded a nice sum by the insurance company of the other driver. I found and bought a 1992 Dodge Shadow ES two door; Emerald Green with gold trim and wheels, with that torquey V6. I loved it. Was gonna put a new motor and tranny in it, but had to sell it due to someone reporting that I had two abandoned cars in my driveway. Wish I would've kept it.
Great video.im a bit of a Turbo dodge nut, having owned various K cars and other turbo dishes over the last 20 years including Daytona Shelbys, spirit RT’s etc. currently I Have an 87 CSX in the driveway
I have one in the garage. My favorite car
This was my first, functional, car. '94 Dodge Shadow in teal. Base model 4door with manual transmission. No power windows, no a/c. The only upgrade was the manual moonroof. I wouldn't be surprised if the small town used car dealership overcharged us but I didn't know any better. All I knew was I liked the color and the fact it was a manual even though I had no clue how to drive a stick. In fact the sales guy actually had to do most of the test driving but I wanted it anyways and by the end of the week I was doing pretty good with the shifting. It wasn't luxurious or super fast but for my first car I was pretty happy.
My mom had an '89 ES Turbo 4dr with red interior and black exterior. It was supposed to be my first car but it died in the mid-90s and it was a great road trip car.
Please do an episode on the Dodge Ram Raider. I drove a 2 door 89 with a 3.0 V6 automatic. With the auto locking hubs it was awesome to drive in bad Iowa weather. I even got a lot of compliments on the in dash tilt meter, I remember the sign on it only accurate when vehicle isn’t moving. Miss it to this day, it definitely got the ladies and it’s features like a backseat that folds completely up and sliding side rear windows my friends always loved going to places in that rig. If you want some photos please let me know and I’ll dig them out. I remember a lot of girls in high school had shadows and Sundances. Thanks for your work I enjoy it a lot.
I had a 91 Shadow 2 door 5 speed and a 92 Sundance Duster. Honestly loved those cars, specially the Shadow
Great episode! Always look forward to new episodes of My Old Car! That was my first car….
...My first car was a '71 Ford Maverick. It was a two door, hign back bucket seats and an automatic shifter on the floor. Which makes me wonder if this was a pre-Maverick Grabber.
It had a six cylinder as well, yellow with a black interior.
Perhaps you already did this car...but it was a great car to me.
Thanks for your time.
I remember my parents having a dodge shadow when I was a kid. Have only seen one dodge shadow once and wanted to buy it but didn't have the money for it at the time
Late 80s to early 90s car have always fascinated me. They often had refined boxy stylings (which I love) and interesting interior designs, and many are impossible to find now.
Awesome! Can't believe you didn't mention the 86 LeBarron gts, same car. Dad had one, such a good car. 2.2 non turbo, non rear wiper model.
What a wonderful episode of M.O.C. !!!!!
I own both a 1987 Shelby CSX and 1994 dodge shadow, both very fun, nice cars to have around
I had a 93 Shadow 2 door. It had stereo tape and air conditioning. I sold it in Florida for $500 after 5 years and 126,000 miles. Tough little car albeit a bit underpowered with the "improved" 2.2 liter 100 hp engine.
The 2.5 had 100 hp
My uncle had a turbo Dodge Shadow. That was a quick little car
My 88 turbo shadow was hands down the most fun car I have ever owned. Loved the dash and huge, well spaced pedals with the stick shift.
The tail light/brake lights on the Shadow were anemic. Maybe that's why I got rear-ended in mine before the first monthly payment was due. After it got totaled (years later), I got "out of the Shadows" and into a Neon. I loved that Neon.