I know people really hate to hear it but its honestly why this game would have been better off doing the opposite being a fate or FGO fighting game and having tsukihime remake characters being dlc instead.
I think this happens to every fighting game that isn't one of the big marquee titles eventually. people just get filtered out and people who wanna get good remain, it's the fighting game life cycle
Yea. It’s kind of emblazoned in people’s heads since the previous two Melty Blood releases (AA & AACC) were considered the og “poverty fighters” which are fighting games with small dedicated fanbases.
the "small dedicated fanbase" everyone talks about are a small group of people that plays melty blood for like more than 10 years. I know that because I started melty blood with the re-act version, and the people who played melty blood at that time are still playing melty blood nowadays.
Realistically I think they if they had just bothered to update the game instead of leaving it in its current state (which isn’t bad, but it has gotten quite stale) just killed it. People wanted to see new characters, they wanted to see top tiers get nerfed and low tiers buffed, but the community waited and waited and… nothing. Nothing announced at or after evo 2023, absolutely nothing. Players knowing that the game probably won’t be updated at all for at least 2 years kills a lot of the hype, especially with a ton of new promising games coming out. It’s understandable that fb doesn’t have the resources to focus on two games at once, but just balance patches instead of new characters could have worked to at least help this game stay in the spotlight for a little longer
Unfortunately while those would be simple solutions, it’s still tied to the main series and type moons way of doing things. With the second part of the Tsukihime remake taking forever to release (that’s also supposed to add new characters and stuff) this was always gonna be the case for any Melty game that released while only one part of the VN is out.
I really wanted this game to last because it was one of the few fighters in a long time that felt really good to me. I think a big thing that dropped the playerbase is the lobbies only being lines instead of a place you can match against several people, no one likes waiting.
They tried so hard to make it a Tsukihime *remake* fighting game, but not even the second part is out yet they insist on bringing FGO characters? What the actual fuck.
This is based on some rumors, but MB:TL was originally supposed to be an FGO fighting game that got pushed into being a Melty Blood game later down the development pipeline. The FGO characters are just assets that they finished from that period of time repackaged as DLC.
What saddens me the most, its that we waited almost 20 years for a true secuel of melty blood, only for it to be reduced to be a glorified ad for FGO. I bet french bread really wanted to go big with this game in every aspect after such a long wait, but they probably had some guy in a suit from type moon constantly telling them " no you can't do that, no that character is not canon, no you can't use this or that " this plus some weird gameplay design choises ( shield ) only made it loose the appeal of both melty fans and Fighting game players, and now that UNI2 is out, most people won't see any reason to go back to Lumina. Its sad really sad
The game would have been better if it was a glorified ad for FGO and not a glorified ad for a incomplete visual novel that took 2 years to even bring to English speakers.
regardless of how you about the mobile game, fgo has not only remained competitive in the gacha space for almost 9 years while being one of the most successful gacha's only falling behind hoyo games, nikke, and now wuwa (sometimes even surpassing them revenue wise) but it also passively elevates every single type moon ip moving forward, if melty blood did not have the fgo brand smacked on it the damn game would not have reached that many people, i mean i only got melty blood because I play fgo literally, the best thing any type moon property can do is cater to the fgo fan base, thats why fate samurai remnant had Jeanne alter
Under Night gameplay is not really my thing and it doesn't have local pricing like Melty Blood (50$ Vs 15$) so I will just wait here Part 2 of Tsukihime will take a while
@@karlligonnarickrollyou6872 I will also it mainly take that long due to Mahoyo, FGO and Extra Record Nasu have done with 2 of the three now so we don't have to worry about production hell anymore though it will still take a while since it is an indie project with a single main artist Which is what I both love and hate about Type Moon, despite how big Fate have become they are still an indie studio
One of my favorite thing about anime fighters is that even though the feel similar in how fluent and flowy every character is. Everyone of the fighters are different in so many ways that you can definitely feel the differences that make the game unique and fun in its own way. Melty blood is one of those games I absolutely love to play cause I feel free with combos and how easy they end up being. Melty blood to me is like a good step to introduce to anime fighters like blazblue and undernight.
Hey. Love the Melty input. As a long time Melty fan & player, thought Id add my own thoughts too. 1: I'm still annoyed that the Tsukihime Remake wasn't released to states at the same time Lumina came out. Missed opportunity imo. Least it will come out soon and I'm looking forward to play that too. It will give me more context to the new Melty. 2: Evo 23 not announcing any Melty content after finals was another missed opportunity imo. I woulda been hype if like... Len, Satsuki, or Nero was just added. 3: I guess FBs focus was to get UNI2 advertised. I was excited to play it briefly at the ASW booth. 4: Maybe TM put all the focus on getting Tsukihime out worldwide, so they are keeping the next Melty character in their back pocket for 24. Pure speculation and wishful thinking, but I can dream. And that's it. Thanks again for the Melty content ❤
Three problems personally. First is obviously the shield mechanic. There is a reason why people dont like dealing with rekkas or grapplers, its because the RPS is too simple. While something like wakeup DP is an RPS as well, there are multiple factors that go into it. I don't think people dislike the ability to shield, but more so the actual RPS that comes after one takes it. There's a good reason why people disliked TACs in MvC3 Vanilla (not so hated in Ultimate though, mainly due to the discovery of TAC infinites which increased the viability of many point characters previously never used) even though there was a strategy behind it. The existence of a powerful shield mechanic kind of semi-forced you to learn OSs as well to beat it, and these types of OSs are not something people enjoy learning even back since SF4. A~D OS was in MBAC and MBAACC as well, but shield was a relatively less powerful mechanic that you never really had to rely on it heavily imo. Second is the roster. It kind of blatantly felt like a marketing ploy and not necessarily made to revive a game. Even the devs had stated that they pitched the idea of an FGO fighter to Type-moon but they were told to work on Melty Blood since the new Tsukihime Remake novel was going to come out. Most people were more or less fine with the inclusion of Saber since that apparently was a prototype character, but the lack of the main character of the entire Melty Blood series Sion, as well as obvious inclusions that wouldn't spoil the VN like Ries or Len really hurt the interest of previous players. Not to mention the addition of FGO characters, which its existence is the whole reason why Nasu hasn't finished Tsukihime Remake that was announced 10 years ago and has a super bad rep with the old Type-moon fans, kind of was a slap in the face with more marketable characters. I would have easily payed an extra $30 for actual relevant characters and I'm pretty sure a lot of others felt the same. Out of the 8 additional characters 3 of them being FGO and 1 being Neco Arc (again, marketable but no real player actually wants), hurt a lot and just kind of was depressing. Third and this was is purely my dislike, but Same Move Proration. Basically, if you use the same move twice in a single combo (5C and 5C), the combos scales extremely hard compared to doing something with 2 different attacks (5C and 2C). This crippled combo discovery a lot as well as the pretty fast hitstun decay for combos. Many of the very interesting combos in classic melty blood are loops, and this feature made loops not only unoptimal but basically meaningless, to the point where its often better to just cut out the loop portion entirely and finish the combo which would give you more damage. Again, same issue with the classic jBC jBC AT combos, which are just purely worse compared to jBC AT since the additional jBC scales the combo hard for barely any extra damage, while also a single jump AT gives you more or less similar damage but with oki as well. Most characters enders end with this with a few exceptions like Mario or DA Noel. They addressed this issue somewhat by adding new moves to the whole roster to add new combo routes somewhere around DLC3 but I think that was a bit too late, and it doesnt actually solve the issue anyway.
The 2nd point is correct but not entirely. MBTL has characters covered in the first half of Tsukihime's remake which is why spoiler characters like Dead Apostle Noel are around but anyone after Red Garden, such as the characters from the TATARI Storyline from the original Melty Blood, are being held hostage until Tsukihime is actually complete with Red Garden's release for that story to take the stage. Len herself doesn't even seem to exist in Tsukihime remake's universe at the moment since Neco Arc jokes about bringing the old continuity's characters over instead of waiting. I think Nasu is more concerned about getting to his characters their time to be relevant in the visual novel proper before their inclusion instead of being worried about spoilers. Fate characters don't have this issue because they'll never be relevant in Tsukihime's actual story while Nasu seemingly doesn't have any intention of seriously including Kouma or Miyako in future stories too. Although I think your third point is significantly more relevant, the game just doesn't feel satisfying to play. Same move proration and combo scaling absolutely suffocates doing optimal combos because they're SO EASY that everyone and their mothers above A-Rank are doing the exact same combos. Look at any Kohaku, Shiki, Vlov, and Hisui and they're doing damn near the same 98% combo they have been doing since release week. Sure some of them had new moves added to alleviate this but as you said, so much of the combo is the same since release. They could add any character that I would dream of wanting to be put back in like Wallachia but the combo system is so boring that even a dream inclusion like him or even a guest character from UNI wouldn't bring me back because it's just so unsatisfying to play. "Easy to learn, hard to master" wouldn't be accurate, it's technically incredibly easy to master too and I think the lack of a playerbase reflects that. Lowering the skill barrier like this does help newcomers but it doesn't keep too many of them or veterans around because the lack of depth kills interest in staying when a game is so stagnant and gets figured out so quickly. Another factor is that I think the internet and social media has inflated Melty Blood's popularity. Memes do not translate to players and more people in this day and age are content to regurgitate the bathroom and neco arc memes for the umpteenth time than EVER stick with these games, much less even play them. I think the unintentional viral marketing with neco arc memes definitely helped its initial launch numbers but it also gave everyone the misconception that Melty Blood was going to become "big" or "save fighting games" when it was never really going to shake off its humble status as a cult classic whose anime aesthetics and visual novel roots, that is hilariously older than most of its audience, would naturally filter out the modern day audience. Tsukihime itself is like a 10 hour read, which is considered really short for VN standards.
@@DeepestDankest Oh yeah I played the Remake Novel on release in Japanese so I'm well aware of characters like Noel and Dark Apostle Noel being part of the game, which is completely fine. The issue is FGO chars also do not "exist" in the Tsukihime universe, so I personally don't buy the argument of "Sion not being part of the universe therefore not in the game" is true. I do understand that all the Type-moon Universes are somewhat connected, but then all the more reason to include characters like Sion or Ries, previous Melty Characters that do not effect the Red Garden portion of the VN to avoid spoilers. My main problem isn't the fact that the characters aren't there, but more that the initial statement given to us on why Sion was not available was that the game wants to stay true to the VN, and then they decided to add FGO characters. I even remember Kamone answering a question on whether Mech is going to be part of the roster before the release of the game, and his answer was the same thing, they wanted to stay true to the VN. Hey they could have brought Nero(Nrvnqsr) back just for the game since he's not in the remake novel as well. Chars like Sacchin not being part of the roster is completely understandable though, since it most likely would be a big spoiler for Red Garden. I didn't really go into depth with every character but for a lot of the cast, the very optimal combos and not so optimal combos do like 200-300 damage difference, barely relevant in the grand scheme of things. The more important part of it is the setups and mix you get after the combo, which for most characters usually ended in jBC AT for a safe jump, or some ground combo into HKD and setting up there. I just really like loop combos and MBAC/AACC did it in a clever way, where it limits you with either bounces, very slow hit proration (to prevent 5A whiff ground loops like with Kohaku or Akiha), or just distance limitations. Too often in TL 2B starters and 2A starters have completely different routes because of the heavy hitstun decay on light moves, and it just doesn't feel good to change combos like that. I get that they wanted the game to seem easier at a glance but I do think the lack of flex/BM combos really dwindled the interest in the game after a while since combo exploration is my favorite part of fighting games. I know for sure that the Devs were aware of the memes, but I'm not sure how big of an influence Neco had on the actual game though. Considering a character takes a decent amount of time to make and the roster including the DLC characters is probably somewhat locked in pre-release, considering its not like French Bread can do anything without Type-moon's permission anyway.
@@BDtetra You missed the point about Sion. Sion might not matter for Red Garden but the Melty Blood storyline in the OG continuity was a sequel proper to Tsukihime. Nasu will get to her, Ries, and Wallachia in due time, just after Red Garden so that still falls into the category of "needing to be introduced in the remake continuity properly". Except instead of being gated behind Red Garden explicitly, I strongly believe Red Garden will bring its own update to MBTL while the proper Melty Blood story-arc with Sion's proper introduction will be its own title update afterwards. For all we know, characters like Nero Chaos might be part of the conceptual plan for Satsuki's route because it was supposed to involve Roa and Nero teaming up. So yeah, the spoilers part from the initial interview isn't 100% true but it's not a 100% wrong either. My point about Neco Arc wasn't about it affecting game development, it was about affecting perceptions that Melty Blood would be a big and populated anime fighter when it wasn't going to be no matter how hard people memed it up like it would be.
Just something small to add, not that it particularly actually matters: I definitely agree that Mash and Ushiwakamaru don't particularly have any good reasons to be in Type Lumina (potential slight excuse for Ushi 'cuz demon clan stuff). HOWEVER, Dantès actually has a massive and fairly justified reason as to why he's in (even though the actual DLC plot reason is that Neco-Arc is doing Neco-Arc things). You see, in Fate worlds, Edmond Dantès, the Count of Monte Cristo, is actually the one who kills Roa. But, like, not "kills" kills Roa. He KILLS kills Roa. During the events of the "Strange Tales of Heroic Spirit Lore ~King of the Cavern, Edmond Dantès~" FGO Drama CD, a younger Edmond Dantès encounters a Dead Apostle known as Tarantella. And this Tarantella? Well, he's Michael Roa Valdamjong. He's still a Dead Apostle somehow, but this Roa never actually had his encounter with Arcueid, and thus has reduced Mystery. TLDR; Roa gets in a bit of a murder spree across Europe, Dantès spreads some rumors of a party to lure him in, and ultimately, burns Roa's very soul to cinders with his black flames of vengeance. Obviously this doesn't excuse Mash and Ushi also being there, and neither does it really excuse the lack of Riesbyfe or Len (or even that Mash effectively REPLACED Riesbyfe), but at least Dantès being included has a fair bit of justification. At the very least, he has more proper justification than Artoria who is just there as cameo since they already had a prototype.
Maybe this is the case on Pc but not on Ps. I can usually find a match in ranked pretty quickly and it’s certainly not short on rooms. Both new and veteran players are still playing this game and it’s certainly not dead. Early 2023 was a period that you could call pretty much dead but ever since summer the game’s had a steady and strong player base in my experience. Not as much as more popular fighting games but certainly not dead. Take it from someone who plays this game pretty much every day.
I think another problem with the game beyond just the limited release of characters due to the remakes slow as sin release, is the fact it lost it's identity as a Meltyblood game and became a cash cow for Fate grand order with cross overs that no one who was into the Melty Blood IP were really interested in. Type-Moon fans were probably hype for Saber as a cross over edition because she is the face of Type-Moon really, not just Fate. Start throwing in the Count and Racoon and you lose a lot of the core audience outside of a few die hard grand order fans that just want that wanked harder, while the fans of actual Melty wanting characters like Archetype Earth, Ryougi Shiki, Sion, Chaos, Ries, Wallachia, Len etc etc are left by the wayside and only disappointed in the future. If they ever make another Meltyblood game in the future, I hope they stick closer to their core identity and not cater to the nearest dollar. And also allow the identity of the characters to flourish. Getting rid of Sions tattoo's and the disconnecting facial expressions from her playing student into her being a hardened killer really lost a lot of her intensity.
Tsukihime Remake also hadn't released in America yet. And the official release in a few months isn't getting much advertising so there probably won't be as much crossover.
I loved the game for a while but there were some noticable flaws. My biggest gripe was not with the chars but the system mechanics themselves. 1) the game was too easy. Hear me out before you make any assumptions. This by itself is not a bad thing, however simple inputs lead to a smaller movelist. They tried with the a,b &c version of moves but for half the cast the difference between them was just slower startup but higher hitstun. No ground bounce, no wall bounce / splat, no changing what the move does. Nth. That means you could reach the ceiling of a character way too fast then left with nth to learn about them. 2) pressure was non-existent. It was literally easier to escape pressue than continue it. Apart from just blocking and waiting, you had burst, moon drive, reversals, guard thrusts, backdash and the worst of them all , shields. Keep in mind that these are universal and not character specific. 3) shields. After the honeymoon phase, shields became so annoying to deal with. Literally a univeral frame 1 stop to anything. Everything could be sheilded. Anti air? Stopped. Pressure? stopped. Specials? Punished. Reversals? Punished. Even after nerfs its was way too strong not to interact with but the resulting in a 50/50 mini game that got stale real quick. We say 50/50 but the there were several options (a,b,c, delayed a/b/c, no cancel etc) that ur brain had to do mental gymnastics to figure which had the most value at varying times in the match. Ending thoughts: if they removed the mini game from shields, making the mechanic more in line with treating the shielded move as if it was block/missed or even just increase its recovery and the sheild once expired leaves the defend with no blockstun, the game may have more depth despite the small movelist. Low recovery moves would recover faster than the shield leaving room for a punish but shielding high recovery move leave the attacker open. Also they need to give every char a passive. Only a few of them have any but just having a passive gives the characters so much more diversity.
And now after Uni 2 release, the game averages 30-60 players. Kinda sad this game died but that's what happens when the last update we got was almost a year ago and all they really did was buff Roa's voice.
Enough time has passed, Melty Blood Type Lumina has now been patched. Can we now all start glazing Tsukihime like it's the newest wave of Kagura Bachi fever? So strap in, and go, go, go boys, tell the whole world this: Lobotomy Kaisen is dead, and LOBOTOMY BLOOD IS BORN!!! LIKE A PHOENIX, MELTY BLOOD NEVER DIES!
I think the video makes very good points! Just want to point out one thing: do not simply discard using Rapid Beat! A lot of new players look at that like it's just an auto combo mechanic, but it's more than that. It's a way to access another move with unique properties, that also has a secondary purpose of allowing beginners to perform easy, albeit EXTREMELY low damage combos.
Hey man, nice video. I plan to try and go to Combo Breaker 2024. I plan on playing Melty Blood Type Lumina. I already have the game. I just got intimidated before to play. I am planning to give it another shot.
Not really a French Bread person (maybe it'll change with Uni 2) but I'm gonna put in my input here. This player dropoff consistently happens to every fighting game that isn't one of the Big 3 of Tekken, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat as they heavily retain their casual audience. I will say that Strive seems to be an exception to this, but I think it could be partially due to the huge launch it had and the amount of support ArcSys is giving it. There are many great games out there with small player bases: BBCF, +R, Rev2, Uni, Killer Instinct, UMvC 3, KOF, etc. One way I've heard best is that your game isn't dead as long as there are two or more people playing it. French Bread probably put this on the side burner with Uni 2 on the way. Players really hate games that are in a stale state, so I think the lack of updates is the main reason for players leaving, rather than the addition of rollback to other games. Really is a shame that the next chapters of the Tsukihime remake are seemingly holding back any new characters for MBTL.
Melty seems easy at first but it’s actually really hard to get into. The fast paced gameplay burns most people out. Also it may seem like you can “create your own combos” by just mashing basic attack strings, but once you watch a video on a character’s specific tech you finally realize you’ve been playing the character wrong.
Biggest issue is that they didn't really know what to do from the beginning. This game smells interest conflict between French Bread, Type-Moon, Aniplex, Delight Works and even maybe Ufotable. Excepting Neco Arc (which is the "best" character in terms of private joke and references), all DLC are from FGO (but Artoria... blah blah blah). Dude there isn't even Sion in the game and they call it Melty Blood while their other main game have her ! I still don't understand why they just didn't do a Type-moon all stars the fighterz type of game. They could put every characters they wanted and took Melty Blood as the base for the gameplay. The fact they launched UNI2 signed the death of type lumina, period.
if it was just a fgo fighter it would have been infinitely more popular lmao, but im glad they still released it tbh i dont think they ever really should have when you have a goldmine ip like fate lying around tho, makes you wonder why they would choose to make less money on purpose lol, maybe to give a beloved franchise some fresh air to promote tsukihime remake?, regardless i know they're cooking something up with fate too and its at least cool to have a type moon related work other than fate reach some ind of popularity
@@Thailandsmostwanted Maybe we'll see when FGO gets to 10 years. Ask Capcom but even with the great sales of Street Fighter 6, fighting games don't make that much benefit. What I'm waiting for is ArcSystemWorks releasing either a one piece the fighterz game or a big gacha like FGO. I think the One Piece one would be the best as they already announced a remake of the anime, the next season of the live show and the manga/first anime is ending in the next two-three years I guess.
It's funny you say that Melty blood characters design hit different because before the game was out I remind a lot of people was saying that the characters was dripless it was pretty funny to see (I got no hate on that btw) and honnestly that totally ok they look like they look, they are visual novel characters from a remake from early 2000.
afaik you had to use the rapid beat or you would sometimes lose a button depending on the character no? before they added the option to disable rapid beat i asked some of my friends if it felt different and all i heard was that it was actually worse D:
I don’t know anything about fate or whatever thing the game is based off but the gameplay it’s pretty fun. I played it with friends on PlayStation and it’s kinda sad it ain’t doing that well.
Facts as a new FG gamer Melty input trick me on thinking i was doing combos not optimal but look cool enough for me that’s good game design Guilty Gear strive is hard I get 2 touched & can’t mash random combos
Its ass, thats what happened. People wanted it to be the return of Current Code in a modern era and that didnt happen. The game actually Devolved back into actress again, the most boring version of melty blood. When a strong chunk of your competitive gameplay ends in B C air throw safe jump for a majority of the cast, cyclic option selects specifically to not interact with the shield system, the utter bullshit clash system like Akihas [5B] eating a majority of the casts engagements (just one example of many) on top of some characters having objectively better toolsets/ clash frames etc It lead to a game that immediately became unfriendly to new players, boring for viewers due to the homogenized nature of character gameplans (sans like... 2 of them) and the need to learn cyclic meta gaming to stand a chance against dumb characters like Ciel or to avoid the shield system or to counter OS someone's OS. Defense was absurdly strong, especially pre nerf shield but also post nerf, mixed with moon drive spot checking, certain characters having unbelievably dumb early clash frames and OSing. The game immediately became unfun, the majority were getting absolutely nuked by the no lifers and there wasnt a community big enough to filter the experience. It was like this is Unist, where the no lifers were effectively killing off what remains of their own community because the lacked the self awareness to realise that going ape on all the new players dissuades them from continuing to play. Especially when they play characters like Byakuya or Wagner who are characters that just dont let you play when the players skill level hits a certain threshold. When you have a lone byakuya sitting in a 1/8 lobby named Please Join you know something has failed. So i reiterate, the game was ass. It felt good to play until you played long enough and all the bad kusoge game design reared its ugly head in full force. Finding outside help was an absolute travesty because the mizuni wiki was a mess of trash opinions and bias being injected into the wiki for months, frame data was changed almost daily and no one could agree on anything. Strive was structurally more popular due to how blatantly contextual the game is visually. The high damage meant meant faster games and less negative emotions building up from being oppressed for long periods of time. That there were answers when well timed by comparison where certain characters like Vlov and Ciel could OS 3C/Super you if you B shield their zoning. You were penalized for using the mechanic they programmed in no matter how careful you were because the OS activated based on cancel windows. All of this eventually amounted to a very frustrating experience for the average player and a tiny population of players for the die hard fans. The game had unfortunately doomed itself.
"It was like this is Unist, where the no lifers were effectively killing off what remains of their own community because the lacked the self awareness to realise that going ape on all the new players dissuades them from continuing to play." yup, i spent time making a cute ronald mcdonald pallette for The Count of Monte Cristo and labbing the TK telepunch combos, but when i played the sweats online (and was lucky enough to find players) i was just watching them do the same exact combo 30 times after instantly losing every interaction. "git gud"? nah bro i got better hobbies than this i also feel this way about team fortress 2, a game that i'm actually pretty good at, bc psycho neets with desperate egos love pubstomping as sniper - a character everyone knows is broken - and shutting down the entire game for everyone else. being good at a game is WAY less important for casual play than knowing how to make it fun for everyone; noone's gonna join u in the sandbox after u took a dump in it
I like Lumina but when you get down to it it wants to be appealing to new players and vets and accomplishes neither. It was always going to be hard to follow up AACC to be fair
if it was just a fgo fighter it would have been infinitely more popular lmao, but im glad they still released it tbh i dont think they ever really should have when you have a goldmine ip like fate lying around tho, makes you wonder why they would choose to make less money on purpose lol, maybe to give a beloved franchise some fresh air to promote tsukihime remake?, regardless i know they're cooking something up with fate too and its at least cool to have a type moon related work other than fate reach some ind of popularity
It also fell off from a multitude of heavy-hitting fighters coming out. The past couple years have been very stacked for them, and coupled with MB not shipping with much single-player content, probably lead to a lot of people not sticking to it.
how do you even do combos without rapid beat? are your brains built different? bcz its already had enough for me to do combo extenders, Im also kinda new to fighting games and i dont watch youtube to learn combos tho
For me the reason I semi-dropped the game was because it forced auto-combos into the mix. I know they later fixed the issue by letting you choose standard vs auto but for the damage was already done. Fighting games that force casual play onto players whether they want it or not is never a good thing in my book.
I’ve been playing it a lot over 2023, had a lot of fun, but recently got fking salty over a string of matches that just made me drop it lmao😂😂 but just like you I gotta say this game is GOOD the movement feels great, the controls, the characters have distinct styles But yeah fighting a zoner character that has shield and moon drive and moon skills are kind of ass IMO
Rough launch, lack of fan favorite fighters, and broken system mechanics. Something other fighters didn't struggle with, at least not all at once. Melty was doomed from the get go.
There can't be more than 1 type of each fighting game at once - an anime 2d, a 3d, and whatever the newest Capcom thing is. There's a limited player base that moves around quickly when they are unhappy with a games balance, direction, or is losing popularity. These games are truly at the whim of their audience. Remember DNF Duel? This MB game sadly came out in the wrong cycle. Granblue is getting some excitement now but I don't think it'll last, Strive is still "the" anime fighter. I don't see UNIB2 taking it's spot either.
That’s an interesting view of things and I somewhat agree, but I wouldn’t necessarily say strive is an anime fighter. Technically it is, but I feel like the people who play it aren’t necessarily anime fans , whereas a game like uni 2s player base will basically only be anime fans, I feel like guilty gear has kind of outgrown that “anime fighter” title
@@jugoyyung Yeah I mean to say that it feels the niche in the gaming space as the "anime looking fighter". It definitely has more mainstream appeal than way back, but someone who has only played a game of SF is going to look at GG and see people jumping around and say "oh this is an anime fighter".
Melty blood was a weird one, shame it did die out as it was rather fun and the characters were totally cool in a lame way. May have to fire it up and play around with the maids in practice lol.
Considering how much money people are willing to spend to get Servants on FGO, a fighting game by either French Bread or Arc System Works seems like an infinite money glitch just sitting right there waiting to be picked.
MBTL is the best made game with the features people have asked for that people didn't stick with. Easy controls don't translate into people wanting to get better at a game.
If it had an auto combo system that wasnt garbage I probably would have kept playing it for a long time. It was so counterintuitive how to to not just Mash into an unintended Auto combo by accident
They should just make FGO fighting game tbh, feels like people know more about FATE than tsukihime, sure Tsukihime is the OG but that doesn't change the fact that FATE is way more popular than Tsukhime, this is the same case with Persona and SMT
I'm actually so glad that there won't be any more new FGO characters. Continuing to add them to the game would make Tsukihime just another Fate. Thanks to Nasu for still dividing these two universes.
I can't speak for everyone but at least for me, there were just too many little things that ultimately caused me to lose interest. The launch of the game was rough: online didn't work well, certain mechanics like shields and moon skills were very contentious, the auto-combo system got in the way more often than not, the redesigns were a stickler point for some, the weird justifications for the roster choices didn't hold up to any level of scrutiny, and so on. It left a mixed reception for what was supposed to be the return of a cult classic fighter. While many of these points did end up getting addressed one way or another, it might have been too late since most players had already moved on to the next new fighter by then. Not to mention videos like those from MaximilianDood putting down the game probably didn't help. Personally, while I didn't play too much, I was still keeping up with it, primarily getting excited for the DLC characters and the like. But then the 2nd DLC season happened which just killed much of my interest. Like, don't get me wrong, free DLC characters and all the other free stuff was awesome. That 100% should be congratulated. To the average player, this is literally a non-issue. But to the fans of the franchise, it just left a bad taste. 3 of the 4 characters that season were guests from "Grand Order" (an entry I personally really dislike) and that remaining 4th character was reworked to constantly reference it as well.. There were still numerous fan favorite characters missing, purposely held back for story reasons which, again, just didn't hold up to scrutiny. So out of the 22 character roster, 4 to even technically 5 of them were "Grand Order" based. "Tsukihime"/"Melty Blood" was left in the backburner for over a decade and when it finally got something again, it was like there was no faith it'd stand on its own. Heck, even another property at the time was affected. "Carnival Phantasm" was a crossover between OG "Fate" and "Tsukihime"/"Melty Blood" and got a new episode for the first time in a decade as well...that was focused solely on "Grand Order", called "Grand Carnival". Completely scrubbing "Tsukihime"/"Melty Blood" out of the picture. The only hope left was the ending to the additional story segment that seemed to hint that more returning characters were coming...only for nothing to ever happen. French Bread even just recently released "Under Night 2" with a full roadmap for the year. So it feels like even they, the developers, have moved on. So to conclude, the game just felt mismanaged due to being forced to be a tie-in for the "Tsukihime" remake, which itself isn't even complete yet, and a fan outrage stemming from "Grand Order" getting stuffed in.
It's not crossplay. It's also not active at all multiplayer wise. I jump on from time to time just to see what's up, and I've only seen an active room once. It's fun as hell. But if online multiplayer is a necessity for you, then I wouldn't get it on xbox
@@tyran8165 it's sad. I got cause the sale too. but if youre looking to play some stuff I'm down, I really know anyone into fighters and I've been trying to get back on em myself. I haven't played much in years but SF6 has been really fun.
Nothing after Evo finals, mobile games like FGO gaining headway, and a lack of interaction like limiting characters, etc I didn’t want to play it because my main wasn’t even in the game. Neither of them.
After being disappointed for a year and a half by every dlc announcement, I'll dance on this game's grave. I hope they just make a garbage FGO game so I can at least know to avoid it next time.
I'm actually so glad that there won't be any more new FGO characters. Continuing to add them to the game would make Tsukihime just another Fate. Thanks to Nasu for still dividing these two universes.
each character has an attack that can only be used on the 2nd or 3rd hit of rapid beat and it's incredible for chaining combos, if you're not using rapid beat sometimes you're a goddamn fool
Why it failed? Because Aniplex or who ever is not shilling it as hard as Genship Impact or other CCP games. Fucking pay Death Battle to feature some of the characters in the video. Aniplex is just so use to having free ad content made for them the thought never occured to them. We all know Aniplex has the money to due to knowing FGO got them over $10 billion. Also, a lot of people dont even know or feel close to MB character since the main IP, Tsukihime hasnt been released in English....yet.
You are probably not really into a fate franchise so ur conclusion feels a bit wrong to me.Tbh it lost it’s popularity coz most Fate Grand Order players played for several dozen hours for Saber,Mash,Ushi,Dantes and left and developers didn’t give any new fgo characters.
I'm actually so glad that there won't be any more new FGO characters. Continuing to add them to the game would make Tsukihime just another Fate. Thanks to Nasu for still dividing these two universes.
An anime fighter isn’t necessarily a fighting game based on an anime . Games like the guilty gear franchise and the blazblue franchise are considered anime fighters even though they were originally video games.
@jugoyyung I still think calling it an "anime fighter" is weird. If it first appeared, as a video game, it wouldn't be an anime fighter. That's just how i think.
I just think the game is boring the characters of boring the comments boring the stages of boring the game plays boring everything is boring. Nothing in the game really excites me combos always add the same. Start the same finish. The same characters have very bland and uninteresting designs in the hole and I guess that’s the whole point, but still not really helping either way no reason why people remember that game is because of that one random mean that I don’t even find funny, and yeah I just think this game is just not interesting just from watching it, so yeah, I got other thing to worry about and this game ain’t one of them
Biggest issue is the game is basically restricted by the Tsukihime second part Remake taking freaking forever limiting characters
That’s the reason? Why not just use old characters or something
@@ViewtifulJaebecause Nasu would add them in the second part of remake. So they would appear in melty first which is strange.
@@silver-5 We're all yelling at Nasu to finish Other Side of Red Garden before the next decade.
@@ViewtifulJaeBecause the Remake rebooted everything and now he has to re-introduce everything with the new lore in mind.
I know people really hate to hear it but its honestly why this game would have been better off doing the opposite being a fate or FGO fighting game and having tsukihime remake characters being dlc instead.
I think this happens to every fighting game that isn't one of the big marquee titles eventually. people just get filtered out and people who wanna get good remain, it's the fighting game life cycle
"It has a small dedicated fanbase" I swear I hear that every time someone mentions this game
Yea. It’s kind of emblazoned in people’s heads since the previous two Melty Blood releases (AA & AACC) were considered the og “poverty fighters” which are fighting games with small dedicated fanbases.
the "small dedicated fanbase" everyone talks about are a small group of people that plays melty blood for like more than 10 years.
I know that because I started melty blood with the re-act version, and the people who played melty blood at that time are still playing melty blood nowadays.
Realistically I think they if they had just bothered to update the game instead of leaving it in its current state (which isn’t bad, but it has gotten quite stale) just killed it. People wanted to see new characters, they wanted to see top tiers get nerfed and low tiers buffed, but the community waited and waited and… nothing. Nothing announced at or after evo 2023, absolutely nothing. Players knowing that the game probably won’t be updated at all for at least 2 years kills a lot of the hype, especially with a ton of new promising games coming out. It’s understandable that fb doesn’t have the resources to focus on two games at once, but just balance patches instead of new characters could have worked to at least help this game stay in the spotlight for a little longer
Unfortunately while those would be simple solutions, it’s still tied to the main series and type moons way of doing things. With the second part of the Tsukihime remake taking forever to release (that’s also supposed to add new characters and stuff) this was always gonna be the case for any Melty game that released while only one part of the VN is out.
at least they took the time to add the option to turn off auto-combos.
people are just dk eaters period dont follow their own wave
I really wanted this game to last because it was one of the few fighters in a long time that felt really good to me.
I think a big thing that dropped the playerbase is the lobbies only being lines instead of a place you can match against several people, no one likes waiting.
you'll always find people to play this game, even if not a lot.
They insisted not adding Sion. 4 FGO Characters, but no Sion. Nuff said.
They tried so hard to make it a Tsukihime *remake* fighting game, but not even the second part is out yet they insist on bringing FGO characters? What the actual fuck.
This is based on some rumors, but MB:TL was originally supposed to be an FGO fighting game that got pushed into being a Melty Blood game later down the development pipeline. The FGO characters are just assets that they finished from that period of time repackaged as DLC.
Nuff said
She’s stuck in Under Night In-Birth 2. Completing her arcade route unlocks her in Type Lumina trust me bro.
@@QuandaleDinkle I'm on hard copium rn. Her ending gives me so much hope. I mean I was laughing my ass off but I'm also hopeful.
What saddens me the most, its that we waited almost 20 years for a true secuel of melty blood, only for it to be reduced to be a glorified ad for FGO. I bet french bread really wanted to go big with this game in every aspect after such a long wait, but they probably had some guy in a suit from type moon constantly telling them " no you can't do that, no that character is not canon, no you can't use this or that " this plus some weird gameplay design choises ( shield ) only made it loose the appeal of both melty fans and Fighting game players, and now that UNI2 is out, most people won't see any reason to go back to Lumina. Its sad really sad
^pretty much this.
The game would have been better if it was a glorified ad for FGO and not a glorified ad for a incomplete visual novel that took 2 years to even bring to English speakers.
@@rdogg114 you hit it on the fucking nail
regardless of how you about the mobile game, fgo has not only remained competitive in the gacha space for almost 9 years while being one of the most successful gacha's only falling behind hoyo games, nikke, and now wuwa (sometimes even surpassing them revenue wise) but it also passively elevates every single type moon ip moving forward, if melty blood did not have the fgo brand smacked on it the damn game would not have reached that many people, i mean i only got melty blood because I play fgo literally, the best thing any type moon property can do is cater to the fgo fan base, thats why fate samurai remnant had Jeanne alter
Fgo is trash
But type lumina looks a lot better than uni so it has at least that going for it
Personally I'd rather just wait for Under Night 2 and grind the shit out of it, but yeah, Melty is solid too, shame that ranked is dead as hell.
Same bro, Under 2 it's near hope it gets more love.
Under Night gameplay is not really my thing and it doesn't have local pricing like Melty Blood (50$ Vs 15$) so I will just wait here
Part 2 of Tsukihime will take a while
@@hikarihakai1285nah bro the remake takes 10 years,if u want to have part two then u gotta wait for a long time💀
@@karlligonnarickrollyou6872 I will also it mainly take that long due to Mahoyo, FGO and Extra Record
Nasu have done with 2 of the three now so we don't have to worry about production hell anymore though it will still take a while since it is an indie project with a single main artist
Which is what I both love and hate about Type Moon, despite how big Fate have become they are still an indie studio
One of my favorite thing about anime fighters is that even though the feel similar in how fluent and flowy every character is. Everyone of the fighters are different in so many ways that you can definitely feel the differences that make the game unique and fun in its own way. Melty blood is one of those games I absolutely love to play cause I feel free with combos and how easy they end up being. Melty blood to me is like a good step to introduce to anime fighters like blazblue and undernight.
Hey. Love the Melty input. As a long time Melty fan & player, thought Id add my own thoughts too.
1: I'm still annoyed that the Tsukihime Remake wasn't released to states at the same time Lumina came out. Missed opportunity imo. Least it will come out soon and I'm looking forward to play that too. It will give me more context to the new Melty.
2: Evo 23 not announcing any Melty content after finals was another missed opportunity imo. I woulda been hype if like... Len, Satsuki, or Nero was just added.
3: I guess FBs focus was to get UNI2 advertised. I was excited to play it briefly at the ASW booth.
4: Maybe TM put all the focus on getting Tsukihime out worldwide, so they are keeping the next Melty character in their back pocket for 24. Pure speculation and wishful thinking, but I can dream.
And that's it. Thanks again for the Melty content ❤
This game is fun and beautiful to look at. They also never charged for any of the new characters
Three problems personally. First is obviously the shield mechanic. There is a reason why people dont like dealing with rekkas or grapplers, its because the RPS is too simple. While something like wakeup DP is an RPS as well, there are multiple factors that go into it. I don't think people dislike the ability to shield, but more so the actual RPS that comes after one takes it. There's a good reason why people disliked TACs in MvC3 Vanilla (not so hated in Ultimate though, mainly due to the discovery of TAC infinites which increased the viability of many point characters previously never used) even though there was a strategy behind it. The existence of a powerful shield mechanic kind of semi-forced you to learn OSs as well to beat it, and these types of OSs are not something people enjoy learning even back since SF4. A~D OS was in MBAC and MBAACC as well, but shield was a relatively less powerful mechanic that you never really had to rely on it heavily imo.
Second is the roster. It kind of blatantly felt like a marketing ploy and not necessarily made to revive a game. Even the devs had stated that they pitched the idea of an FGO fighter to Type-moon but they were told to work on Melty Blood since the new Tsukihime Remake novel was going to come out. Most people were more or less fine with the inclusion of Saber since that apparently was a prototype character, but the lack of the main character of the entire Melty Blood series Sion, as well as obvious inclusions that wouldn't spoil the VN like Ries or Len really hurt the interest of previous players. Not to mention the addition of FGO characters, which its existence is the whole reason why Nasu hasn't finished Tsukihime Remake that was announced 10 years ago and has a super bad rep with the old Type-moon fans, kind of was a slap in the face with more marketable characters. I would have easily payed an extra $30 for actual relevant characters and I'm pretty sure a lot of others felt the same. Out of the 8 additional characters 3 of them being FGO and 1 being Neco Arc (again, marketable but no real player actually wants), hurt a lot and just kind of was depressing.
Third and this was is purely my dislike, but Same Move Proration. Basically, if you use the same move twice in a single combo (5C and 5C), the combos scales extremely hard compared to doing something with 2 different attacks (5C and 2C). This crippled combo discovery a lot as well as the pretty fast hitstun decay for combos. Many of the very interesting combos in classic melty blood are loops, and this feature made loops not only unoptimal but basically meaningless, to the point where its often better to just cut out the loop portion entirely and finish the combo which would give you more damage. Again, same issue with the classic jBC jBC AT combos, which are just purely worse compared to jBC AT since the additional jBC scales the combo hard for barely any extra damage, while also a single jump AT gives you more or less similar damage but with oki as well. Most characters enders end with this with a few exceptions like Mario or DA Noel. They addressed this issue somewhat by adding new moves to the whole roster to add new combo routes somewhere around DLC3 but I think that was a bit too late, and it doesnt actually solve the issue anyway.
The 2nd point is correct but not entirely. MBTL has characters covered in the first half of Tsukihime's remake which is why spoiler characters like Dead Apostle Noel are around but anyone after Red Garden, such as the characters from the TATARI Storyline from the original Melty Blood, are being held hostage until Tsukihime is actually complete with Red Garden's release for that story to take the stage. Len herself doesn't even seem to exist in Tsukihime remake's universe at the moment since Neco Arc jokes about bringing the old continuity's characters over instead of waiting. I think Nasu is more concerned about getting to his characters their time to be relevant in the visual novel proper before their inclusion instead of being worried about spoilers. Fate characters don't have this issue because they'll never be relevant in Tsukihime's actual story while Nasu seemingly doesn't have any intention of seriously including Kouma or Miyako in future stories too.
Although I think your third point is significantly more relevant, the game just doesn't feel satisfying to play. Same move proration and combo scaling absolutely suffocates doing optimal combos because they're SO EASY that everyone and their mothers above A-Rank are doing the exact same combos. Look at any Kohaku, Shiki, Vlov, and Hisui and they're doing damn near the same 98% combo they have been doing since release week. Sure some of them had new moves added to alleviate this but as you said, so much of the combo is the same since release. They could add any character that I would dream of wanting to be put back in like Wallachia but the combo system is so boring that even a dream inclusion like him or even a guest character from UNI wouldn't bring me back because it's just so unsatisfying to play. "Easy to learn, hard to master" wouldn't be accurate, it's technically incredibly easy to master too and I think the lack of a playerbase reflects that. Lowering the skill barrier like this does help newcomers but it doesn't keep too many of them or veterans around because the lack of depth kills interest in staying when a game is so stagnant and gets figured out so quickly.
Another factor is that I think the internet and social media has inflated Melty Blood's popularity. Memes do not translate to players and more people in this day and age are content to regurgitate the bathroom and neco arc memes for the umpteenth time than EVER stick with these games, much less even play them. I think the unintentional viral marketing with neco arc memes definitely helped its initial launch numbers but it also gave everyone the misconception that Melty Blood was going to become "big" or "save fighting games" when it was never really going to shake off its humble status as a cult classic whose anime aesthetics and visual novel roots, that is hilariously older than most of its audience, would naturally filter out the modern day audience. Tsukihime itself is like a 10 hour read, which is considered really short for VN standards.
@@DeepestDankest Oh yeah I played the Remake Novel on release in Japanese so I'm well aware of characters like Noel and Dark Apostle Noel being part of the game, which is completely fine. The issue is FGO chars also do not "exist" in the Tsukihime universe, so I personally don't buy the argument of "Sion not being part of the universe therefore not in the game" is true. I do understand that all the Type-moon Universes are somewhat connected, but then all the more reason to include characters like Sion or Ries, previous Melty Characters that do not effect the Red Garden portion of the VN to avoid spoilers. My main problem isn't the fact that the characters aren't there, but more that the initial statement given to us on why Sion was not available was that the game wants to stay true to the VN, and then they decided to add FGO characters. I even remember Kamone answering a question on whether Mech is going to be part of the roster before the release of the game, and his answer was the same thing, they wanted to stay true to the VN. Hey they could have brought Nero(Nrvnqsr) back just for the game since he's not in the remake novel as well. Chars like Sacchin not being part of the roster is completely understandable though, since it most likely would be a big spoiler for Red Garden.
I didn't really go into depth with every character but for a lot of the cast, the very optimal combos and not so optimal combos do like 200-300 damage difference, barely relevant in the grand scheme of things. The more important part of it is the setups and mix you get after the combo, which for most characters usually ended in jBC AT for a safe jump, or some ground combo into HKD and setting up there. I just really like loop combos and MBAC/AACC did it in a clever way, where it limits you with either bounces, very slow hit proration (to prevent 5A whiff ground loops like with Kohaku or Akiha), or just distance limitations. Too often in TL 2B starters and 2A starters have completely different routes because of the heavy hitstun decay on light moves, and it just doesn't feel good to change combos like that. I get that they wanted the game to seem easier at a glance but I do think the lack of flex/BM combos really dwindled the interest in the game after a while since combo exploration is my favorite part of fighting games.
I know for sure that the Devs were aware of the memes, but I'm not sure how big of an influence Neco had on the actual game though. Considering a character takes a decent amount of time to make and the roster including the DLC characters is probably somewhat locked in pre-release, considering its not like French Bread can do anything without Type-moon's permission anyway.
@@BDtetra You missed the point about Sion. Sion might not matter for Red Garden but the Melty Blood storyline in the OG continuity was a sequel proper to Tsukihime. Nasu will get to her, Ries, and Wallachia in due time, just after Red Garden so that still falls into the category of "needing to be introduced in the remake continuity properly". Except instead of being gated behind Red Garden explicitly, I strongly believe Red Garden will bring its own update to MBTL while the proper Melty Blood story-arc with Sion's proper introduction will be its own title update afterwards. For all we know, characters like Nero Chaos might be part of the conceptual plan for Satsuki's route because it was supposed to involve Roa and Nero teaming up. So yeah, the spoilers part from the initial interview isn't 100% true but it's not a 100% wrong either.
My point about Neco Arc wasn't about it affecting game development, it was about affecting perceptions that Melty Blood would be a big and populated anime fighter when it wasn't going to be no matter how hard people memed it up like it would be.
Just something small to add, not that it particularly actually matters:
I definitely agree that Mash and Ushiwakamaru don't particularly have any good reasons to be in Type Lumina (potential slight excuse for Ushi 'cuz demon clan stuff).
HOWEVER, Dantès actually has a massive and fairly justified reason as to why he's in (even though the actual DLC plot reason is that Neco-Arc is doing Neco-Arc things).
You see, in Fate worlds, Edmond Dantès, the Count of Monte Cristo, is actually the one who kills Roa.
But, like, not "kills" kills Roa. He KILLS kills Roa.
During the events of the "Strange Tales of Heroic Spirit Lore ~King of the Cavern, Edmond Dantès~" FGO Drama CD, a younger Edmond Dantès encounters a Dead Apostle known as Tarantella.
And this Tarantella? Well, he's Michael Roa Valdamjong.
He's still a Dead Apostle somehow, but this Roa never actually had his encounter with Arcueid, and thus has reduced Mystery.
TLDR; Roa gets in a bit of a murder spree across Europe, Dantès spreads some rumors of a party to lure him in, and ultimately, burns Roa's very soul to cinders with his black flames of vengeance.
Obviously this doesn't excuse Mash and Ushi also being there, and neither does it really excuse the lack of Riesbyfe or Len (or even that Mash effectively REPLACED Riesbyfe), but at least Dantès being included has a fair bit of justification.
At the very least, he has more proper justification than Artoria who is just there as cameo since they already had a prototype.
Maybe this is the case on Pc but not on Ps. I can usually find a match in ranked pretty quickly and it’s certainly not short on rooms. Both new and veteran players are still playing this game and it’s certainly not dead. Early 2023 was a period that you could call pretty much dead but ever since summer the game’s had a steady and strong player base in my experience. Not as much as more popular fighting games but certainly not dead.
Take it from someone who plays this game pretty much every day.
Exactly. Steam charts aren't necessarily that informative
Its because Type Lumina is free on PSPLUS.
I think another problem with the game beyond just the limited release of characters due to the remakes slow as sin release, is the fact it lost it's identity as a Meltyblood game and became a cash cow for Fate grand order with cross overs that no one who was into the Melty Blood IP were really interested in. Type-Moon fans were probably hype for Saber as a cross over edition because she is the face of Type-Moon really, not just Fate. Start throwing in the Count and Racoon and you lose a lot of the core audience outside of a few die hard grand order fans that just want that wanked harder, while the fans of actual Melty wanting characters like Archetype Earth, Ryougi Shiki, Sion, Chaos, Ries, Wallachia, Len etc etc are left by the wayside and only disappointed in the future. If they ever make another Meltyblood game in the future, I hope they stick closer to their core identity and not cater to the nearest dollar. And also allow the identity of the characters to flourish. Getting rid of Sions tattoo's and the disconnecting facial expressions from her playing student into her being a hardened killer really lost a lot of her intensity.
Tsukihime Remake also hadn't released in America yet.
And the official release in a few months isn't getting much advertising so there probably won't be as much crossover.
I loved the game for a while but there were some noticable flaws. My biggest gripe was not with the chars but the system mechanics themselves.
1) the game was too easy. Hear me out before you make any assumptions. This by itself is not a bad thing, however simple inputs lead to a smaller movelist. They tried with the a,b &c version of moves but for half the cast the difference between them was just slower startup but higher hitstun. No ground bounce, no wall bounce / splat, no changing what the move does. Nth. That means you could reach the ceiling of a character way too fast then left with nth to learn about them.
2) pressure was non-existent. It was literally easier to escape pressue than continue it. Apart from just blocking and waiting, you had burst, moon drive, reversals, guard thrusts, backdash and the worst of them all , shields. Keep in mind that these are universal and not character specific.
3) shields. After the honeymoon phase, shields became so annoying to deal with. Literally a univeral frame 1 stop to anything. Everything could be sheilded. Anti air? Stopped. Pressure? stopped. Specials? Punished. Reversals? Punished. Even after nerfs its was way too strong not to interact with but the resulting in a 50/50 mini game that got stale real quick. We say 50/50 but the there were several options (a,b,c, delayed a/b/c, no cancel etc) that ur brain had to do mental gymnastics to figure which had the most value at varying times in the match.
Ending thoughts: if they removed the mini game from shields, making the mechanic more in line with treating the shielded move as if it was block/missed or even just increase its recovery and the sheild once expired leaves the defend with no blockstun, the game may have more depth despite the small movelist. Low recovery moves would recover faster than the shield leaving room for a punish but shielding high recovery move leave the attacker open. Also they need to give every char a passive. Only a few of them have any but just having a passive gives the characters so much more diversity.
And now after Uni 2 release, the game averages 30-60 players. Kinda sad this game died but that's what happens when the last update we got was almost a year ago and all they really did was buff Roa's voice.
"i don't use rapid beat"
instant like.
I just love the aesthetic and 1v1 aspect of this game. Simple controls, auto combos, amazing versatility and quirky characters.
Enough time has passed, Melty Blood Type Lumina has now been patched. Can we now all start glazing Tsukihime like it's the newest wave of Kagura Bachi fever? So strap in, and go, go, go boys, tell the whole world this: Lobotomy Kaisen is dead, and LOBOTOMY BLOOD IS BORN!!! LIKE A PHOENIX, MELTY BLOOD NEVER DIES!
I hope they atleast do something when Nasu finally does the other tsukihime routes. I had a lot of fun playing this game.
Wallahi we're finished
I remain curious about this game and franchise. Will probably play more and see what gives
I think the video makes very good points! Just want to point out one thing: do not simply discard using Rapid Beat! A lot of new players look at that like it's just an auto combo mechanic, but it's more than that. It's a way to access another move with unique properties, that also has a secondary purpose of allowing beginners to perform easy, albeit EXTREMELY low damage combos.
Hey man, nice video. I plan to try and go to Combo Breaker 2024. I plan on playing Melty Blood Type Lumina. I already have the game. I just got intimidated before to play. I am planning to give it another shot.
Not really a French Bread person (maybe it'll change with Uni 2) but I'm gonna put in my input here. This player dropoff consistently happens to every fighting game that isn't one of the Big 3 of Tekken, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat as they heavily retain their casual audience. I will say that Strive seems to be an exception to this, but I think it could be partially due to the huge launch it had and the amount of support ArcSys is giving it. There are many great games out there with small player bases: BBCF, +R, Rev2, Uni, Killer Instinct, UMvC 3, KOF, etc. One way I've heard best is that your game isn't dead as long as there are two or more people playing it.
French Bread probably put this on the side burner with Uni 2 on the way. Players really hate games that are in a stale state, so I think the lack of updates is the main reason for players leaving, rather than the addition of rollback to other games. Really is a shame that the next chapters of the Tsukihime remake are seemingly holding back any new characters for MBTL.
DBFZ is right up there with Strive, UMVC3 was as well back in the day
Melty seems easy at first but it’s actually really hard to get into. The fast paced gameplay burns most people out.
Also it may seem like you can “create your own combos” by just mashing basic attack strings, but once you watch a video on a character’s specific tech you finally realize you’ve been playing the character wrong.
Biggest issue is that they didn't really know what to do from the beginning. This game smells interest conflict between French Bread, Type-Moon, Aniplex, Delight Works and even maybe Ufotable. Excepting Neco Arc (which is the "best" character in terms of private joke and references), all DLC are from FGO (but Artoria... blah blah blah). Dude there isn't even Sion in the game and they call it Melty Blood while their other main game have her ! I still don't understand why they just didn't do a Type-moon all stars the fighterz type of game. They could put every characters they wanted and took Melty Blood as the base for the gameplay.
The fact they launched UNI2 signed the death of type lumina, period.
if it was just a fgo fighter it would have been infinitely more popular lmao, but im glad they still released it tbh i dont think they ever really should have when you have a goldmine ip like fate lying around tho, makes you wonder why they would choose to make less money on purpose lol, maybe to give a beloved franchise some fresh air to promote tsukihime remake?, regardless i know they're cooking something up with fate too and its at least cool to have a type moon related work other than fate reach some ind of popularity
@@Thailandsmostwanted Maybe we'll see when FGO gets to 10 years. Ask Capcom but even with the great sales of Street Fighter 6, fighting games don't make that much benefit. What I'm waiting for is ArcSystemWorks releasing either a one piece the fighterz game or a big gacha like FGO. I think the One Piece one would be the best as they already announced a remake of the anime, the next season of the live show and the manga/first anime is ending in the next two-three years I guess.
the best fg I've played before bbcf and xrd
Game it's cool and all but just got abandoned, I want more updates and characters 😢
It's funny you say that Melty blood characters design hit different because before the game was out I remind a lot of people was saying that the characters was dripless it was pretty funny to see (I got no hate on that btw) and honnestly that totally ok they look like they look, they are visual novel characters from a remake from early 2000.
Nice vid my man
afaik you had to use the rapid beat or you would sometimes lose a button depending on the character no? before they added the option to disable rapid beat i asked some of my friends if it felt different and all i heard was that it was actually worse D:
I don’t know anything about fate or whatever thing the game is based off but the gameplay it’s pretty fun.
I played it with friends on PlayStation and it’s kinda sad it ain’t doing that well.
They didn't have Ryoughi Shiki. It was a matter of time 🥱.
I really want to play this and The Old one, but it's so hard to find players ☹️
Facts as a new FG gamer Melty input trick me on thinking i was doing combos not optimal but look cool enough for me that’s good game design
Guilty Gear strive is hard I get 2 touched & can’t mash random combos
First time I see someone putting Strive and Hard on the same sentence LMAO.
Its ass, thats what happened.
People wanted it to be the return of Current Code in a modern era and that didnt happen.
The game actually Devolved back into actress again, the most boring version of melty blood.
When a strong chunk of your competitive gameplay ends in B C air throw safe jump for a majority of the cast, cyclic option selects specifically to not interact with the shield system, the utter bullshit clash system like Akihas [5B] eating a majority of the casts engagements (just one example of many) on top of some characters having objectively better toolsets/ clash frames etc
It lead to a game that immediately became unfriendly to new players, boring for viewers due to the homogenized nature of character gameplans (sans like... 2 of them) and the need to learn cyclic meta gaming to stand a chance against dumb characters like Ciel or to avoid the shield system or to counter OS someone's OS.
Defense was absurdly strong, especially pre nerf shield but also post nerf, mixed with moon drive spot checking, certain characters having unbelievably dumb early clash frames and OSing.
The game immediately became unfun, the majority were getting absolutely nuked by the no lifers and there wasnt a community big enough to filter the experience.
It was like this is Unist, where the no lifers were effectively killing off what remains of their own community because the lacked the self awareness to realise that going ape on all the new players dissuades them from continuing to play.
Especially when they play characters like Byakuya or Wagner who are characters that just dont let you play when the players skill level hits a certain threshold.
When you have a lone byakuya sitting in a 1/8 lobby named Please Join you know something has failed.
So i reiterate, the game was ass.
It felt good to play until you played long enough and all the bad kusoge game design reared its ugly head in full force.
Finding outside help was an absolute travesty because the mizuni wiki was a mess of trash opinions and bias being injected into the wiki for months, frame data was changed almost daily and no one could agree on anything.
Strive was structurally more popular due to how blatantly contextual the game is visually.
The high damage meant meant faster games and less negative emotions building up from being oppressed for long periods of time.
That there were answers when well timed by comparison where certain characters like Vlov and Ciel could OS 3C/Super you if you B shield their zoning.
You were penalized for using the mechanic they programmed in no matter how careful you were because the OS activated based on cancel windows.
All of this eventually amounted to a very frustrating experience for the average player and a tiny population of players for the die hard fans.
The game had unfortunately doomed itself.
All you've mentioned is why most people returned to MBAACC. They didn't like the changes on Lumina. Disrespect was absurdly a commonplace.
"It was like this is Unist, where the no lifers were effectively killing off what remains of their own community because the lacked the self awareness to realise that going ape on all the new players dissuades them from continuing to play."
yup, i spent time making a cute ronald mcdonald pallette for The Count of Monte Cristo and labbing the TK telepunch combos, but when i played the sweats online (and was lucky enough to find players) i was just watching them do the same exact combo 30 times after instantly losing every interaction. "git gud"? nah bro i got better hobbies than this
i also feel this way about team fortress 2, a game that i'm actually pretty good at, bc psycho neets with desperate egos love pubstomping as sniper - a character everyone knows is broken - and shutting down the entire game for everyone else. being good at a game is WAY less important for casual play than knowing how to make it fun for everyone; noone's gonna join u in the sandbox after u took a dump in it
I like Lumina but when you get down to it it wants to be appealing to new players and vets and accomplishes neither.
It was always going to be hard to follow up AACC to be fair
imagine if they added gilgamesh or berserker in the game that'll be crazy fr
if it was just a fgo fighter it would have been infinitely more popular lmao, but im glad they still released it tbh i dont think they ever really should have when you have a goldmine ip like fate lying around tho, makes you wonder why they would choose to make less money on purpose lol, maybe to give a beloved franchise some fresh air to promote tsukihime remake?, regardless i know they're cooking something up with fate too and its at least cool to have a type moon related work other than fate reach some ind of popularity
Melty blood Lumina ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ es un juegazo sin duda mi favorito desde Cuenca Ecuador 🇪🇨 espero que llegue más personajes a éste gran juego
I just wanted chaos back
I bet they're waiting for the Witch on the Holy Night anime to launch characters like Touko or Alice
It also fell off from a multitude of heavy-hitting fighters coming out. The past couple years have been very stacked for them, and coupled with MB not shipping with much single-player content, probably lead to a lot of people not sticking to it.
how do you even do combos without rapid beat? are your brains built different? bcz its already had enough for me to do combo extenders, Im also kinda new to fighting games and i dont watch youtube to learn combos tho
For me the reason I semi-dropped the game was because it forced auto-combos into the mix. I know they later fixed the issue by letting you choose standard vs auto but for the damage was already done. Fighting games that force casual play onto players whether they want it or not is never a good thing in my book.
1 more update Add Eltnum and White Len. 1 more Fate Astolfo, Archer or Lancer
I’ve been playing it a lot over 2023, had a lot of fun, but recently got fking salty over a string of matches that just made me drop it lmao😂😂
but just like you I gotta say this game is GOOD the movement feels great, the controls, the characters have distinct styles
But yeah fighting a zoner character that has shield and moon drive and moon skills are kind of ass IMO
Rough launch, lack of fan favorite fighters, and broken system mechanics. Something other fighters didn't struggle with, at least not all at once. Melty was doomed from the get go.
There can't be more than 1 type of each fighting game at once - an anime 2d, a 3d, and whatever the newest Capcom thing is. There's a limited player base that moves around quickly when they are unhappy with a games balance, direction, or is losing popularity. These games are truly at the whim of their audience.
Remember DNF Duel? This MB game sadly came out in the wrong cycle. Granblue is getting some excitement now but I don't think it'll last, Strive is still "the" anime fighter. I don't see UNIB2 taking it's spot either.
That’s an interesting view of things and I somewhat agree, but I wouldn’t necessarily say strive is an anime fighter. Technically it is, but I feel like the people who play it aren’t necessarily anime fans , whereas a game like uni 2s player base will basically only be anime fans, I feel like guilty gear has kind of outgrown that “anime fighter” title
@@jugoyyung Yeah I mean to say that it feels the niche in the gaming space as the "anime looking fighter". It definitely has more mainstream appeal than way back, but someone who has only played a game of SF is going to look at GG and see people jumping around and say "oh this is an anime fighter".
obscure game is always rough. Netcode was a bit rough. Shield mechanic was the death of it for me
I mainly stopped playing because it became an OS frenzy
Nah man it was just the shield mechanic. It solves the game.
Anyway
The uni 2 waiting room prophecy has been fulfilled
They ruined it with Fate characters.
Let's be honest, i love melty and uni but neither will ever be popular for one reason or the other
Melty blood was a weird one, shame it did die out as it was rather fun and the characters were totally cool in a lame way. May have to fire it up and play around with the maids in practice lol.
Honestly Nasu should have just gone with a FGO fighting game since it seems that there won't be any more characters until Red Garden releases
Considering how much money people are willing to spend to get Servants on FGO, a fighting game by either French Bread or Arc System Works seems like an infinite money glitch just sitting right there waiting to be picked.
MBTL is the best made game with the features people have asked for that people didn't stick with. Easy controls don't translate into people wanting to get better at a game.
If it had an auto combo system that wasnt garbage I probably would have kept playing it for a long time. It was so counterintuitive how to to not just Mash into an unintended Auto combo by accident
You can turn off
If a game doesn't come out physically I won't buy it. $50.00 for a digital game? No thanks.
It's such a shame this game died u_u
They should just make FGO fighting game tbh, feels like people know more about FATE than tsukihime, sure Tsukihime is the OG but that doesn't change the fact that FATE is way more popular than Tsukhime, this is the same case with Persona and SMT
They filled the melty blood game with fucking lame fate characters ZZZ.
I'm actually so glad that there won't be any more new FGO characters. Continuing to add them to the game would make Tsukihime just another Fate. Thanks to Nasu for still dividing these two universes.
I can't speak for everyone but at least for me, there were just too many little things that ultimately caused me to lose interest.
The launch of the game was rough: online didn't work well, certain mechanics like shields and moon skills were very contentious, the auto-combo system got in the way more often than not, the redesigns were a stickler point for some, the weird justifications for the roster choices didn't hold up to any level of scrutiny, and so on. It left a mixed reception for what was supposed to be the return of a cult classic fighter.
While many of these points did end up getting addressed one way or another, it might have been too late since most players had already moved on to the next new fighter by then. Not to mention videos like those from MaximilianDood putting down the game probably didn't help.
Personally, while I didn't play too much, I was still keeping up with it, primarily getting excited for the DLC characters and the like. But then the 2nd DLC season happened which just killed much of my interest. Like, don't get me wrong, free DLC characters and all the other free stuff was awesome. That 100% should be congratulated. To the average player, this is literally a non-issue.
But to the fans of the franchise, it just left a bad taste. 3 of the 4 characters that season were guests from "Grand Order" (an entry I personally really dislike) and that remaining 4th character was reworked to constantly reference it as well.. There were still numerous fan favorite characters missing, purposely held back for story reasons which, again, just didn't hold up to scrutiny. So out of the 22 character roster, 4 to even technically 5 of them were "Grand Order" based. "Tsukihime"/"Melty Blood" was left in the backburner for over a decade and when it finally got something again, it was like there was no faith it'd stand on its own.
Heck, even another property at the time was affected. "Carnival Phantasm" was a crossover between OG "Fate" and "Tsukihime"/"Melty Blood" and got a new episode for the first time in a decade as well...that was focused solely on "Grand Order", called "Grand Carnival". Completely scrubbing "Tsukihime"/"Melty Blood" out of the picture.
The only hope left was the ending to the additional story segment that seemed to hint that more returning characters were coming...only for nothing to ever happen. French Bread even just recently released "Under Night 2" with a full roadmap for the year. So it feels like even they, the developers, have moved on.
So to conclude, the game just felt mismanaged due to being forced to be a tie-in for the "Tsukihime" remake, which itself isn't even complete yet, and a fan outrage stemming from "Grand Order" getting stuffed in.
The moment I cannot find a match of my same rank is the moment I lost interest in this game.
Is this game crossplay? Because I’m very cautious picking up the game, on Xbox of all places, at full price. I’m just tryna play arcueid man 😭
Nope it’s not cross play, and Xbox has the lowest player base so I might not recommend it
It's not crossplay. It's also not active at all multiplayer wise. I jump on from time to time just to see what's up, and I've only seen an active room once. It's fun as hell. But if online multiplayer is a necessity for you, then I wouldn't get it on xbox
@@SunzNbunzI see :(
@@tyran8165 it's sad. I got cause the sale too. but if youre looking to play some stuff I'm down, I really know anyone into fighters and I've been trying to get back on em myself. I haven't played much in years but SF6 has been really fun.
Nothing after Evo finals, mobile games like FGO gaining headway, and a lack of interaction like limiting characters, etc
I didn’t want to play it because my main wasn’t even in the game. Neither of them.
After being disappointed for a year and a half by every dlc announcement, I'll dance on this game's grave. I hope they just make a garbage FGO game so I can at least know to avoid it next time.
I'm actually so glad that there won't be any more new FGO characters. Continuing to add them to the game would make Tsukihime just another Fate. Thanks to Nasu for still dividing these two universes.
cry about it lmao
omg look at this fgo otaku came out of his kennel to say some shit?
@@nimaximustv3629 better than being a hate train meatrider like you lmao
@@nimaximustv3629 ok bandwagoner
it's mid that's why also play melty blood actress again broke boys
Not enough neo arc chaos 0/10.
Good. Hope this game dies and they make better Fate fighting games. Middle finger to Nasu and Type Moon Projects.
each character has an attack that can only be used on the 2nd or 3rd hit of rapid beat and it's incredible for chaining combos, if you're not using rapid beat sometimes you're a goddamn fool
this game is too expensive
Wait till steam sale
@@Tamampt 1 dollar= 5 bucks here
on sale it still 70~90 bucks normal price being 108,90 R$ see? thats why piracy should not be a crime
It failed because there are better fighting games out there and not every Tsukihime fan is a fighting game fan.
Why it failed? Because Aniplex or who ever is not shilling it as hard as Genship Impact or other CCP games. Fucking pay Death Battle to feature some of the characters in the video. Aniplex is just so use to having free ad content made for them the thought never occured to them. We all know Aniplex has the money to due to knowing FGO got them over $10 billion. Also, a lot of people dont even know or feel close to MB character since the main IP, Tsukihime hasnt been released in English....yet.
I immediately dropped the game around launch lol
im disappointed
You are probably not really into a fate franchise so ur conclusion feels a bit wrong to me.Tbh it lost it’s popularity coz most Fate Grand Order players played for several dozen hours for Saber,Mash,Ushi,Dantes and left and developers didn’t give any new fgo characters.
I'm actually so glad that there won't be any more new FGO characters. Continuing to add them to the game would make Tsukihime just another Fate. Thanks to Nasu for still dividing these two universes.
Melty blood is not an anime fighter. Almost all of these characters first appeared in visual novels, which are video games
An anime fighter isn’t necessarily a fighting game based on an anime . Games like the guilty gear franchise and the blazblue franchise are considered anime fighters even though they were originally video games.
@jugoyyung I still think calling it an "anime fighter" is weird. If it first appeared, as a video game, it wouldn't be an anime fighter. That's just how i think.
I just think the game is boring the characters of boring the comments boring the stages of boring the game plays boring everything is boring. Nothing in the game really excites me combos always add the same. Start the same finish. The same characters have very bland and uninteresting designs in the hole and I guess that’s the whole point, but still not really helping either way no reason why people remember that game is because of that one random mean that I don’t even find funny, and yeah I just think this game is just not interesting just from watching it, so yeah, I got other thing to worry about and this game ain’t one of them
Ay id add a digit to the playercount problem is its still 60$