Just last night I was showing someone my drop-knee solution for a problem at the gym. He was super skeptical, asking "yeah but how does that help?" I struggled to put it into words, even though I know it can be super helpful. Anyways, now I know how to answer that question! Thanks for another great video.
Have you read my mind? I was looking through your channel's tutorials yesterday and wondering where the drop knee one is... and BAM here it is. Great vid!
Three other important things that are not mentioned in this video: 1) During the rotation, always keep the foot and knee aligned, 2) Start the rotation using your hips and heel. I have the impression that you start the movement from your knee (I could be wrong, it's hard to see). It might work for people with strong knees. But in general it's better to think about "rotating the hip and rotating the heel simultaneously", and simply let the knee follow. This is often overlooked and will avoid pain long term. + you have less of that internal rotation which makes your leg less strong, as you explain. :) 3) To maximize the lateral force, you want to have the heel of the dropping leg as "far from you" as possible (it will depend on your heel flexibility and the strength of your leg), and the other leg as straight as possible. This will avoid your feet cutting loose on harder problems.
Nice video! (I don't think the explanation with the torque makes a lot of sense the way you present it, but clearly the position you get into seems very useful for some situations!)
Hey in general I think this is a good explanation but I think the torque part is bs. You apply torque but it dissipates by making your foot turn. You can still apply some torque isometrically to kinda press your hip into the wall (back hip rotate internally , front hip rotate externally). One more major advantage of drop knee is that you eliminate flexibility problem - you'd have to pretty much be able to do splits in order to keep your hips square and close to the wall, plus you'd need to have a lot of abductor strength and footholds that provide enough resistance to pull on them outwards.
I don't think the functional explanation is totally wrong, but the use of the word "torque" to explain this is definitely a misnomer. As someone who is into physics and was also bothered by them using that weird I appreciate you pointing that out
Agreed - also, if a dropknee and a backstep result in identical body and foot positions, the forces at that point are going to be the same. It makes no sense to assert that the a force does or doesn't exist in a given position based upon the specific sequence of movement that preceded that position. There might be times when the dropknee is *required* in order to reach the position.
I've also found because of the twisting action of drop knees my 'primary' arm also wraps around my body (moves closer to my chest) and allows more assistance from my pecs and biceps.... it sort of feels like im just hanging off of my scapula without any effort.... great video!
I'm a bit anxious about this move as I have a torn acl and never got the surgery for it. I haven't felt anything yet and it's great move to have in my repertoire so I'll continue trying them for now. Great video!
I just found your channel it's truly a treasure trove. These instructional videos are really the best. I hear you say in this video that the end position of a drop knee is the back step but to me, it really should be the other way around. Just turning your feet and hips wouldn't normally be called a drop knee, from any place I've heard of, so I'd say that's a back step. But, if the back step is high enough compared to your hips, then the knee will end up at a 90-degree angle or smaller, sometimes pointing downwards. Seems to me that that would be the drop knee, which in that case would be the end position of the back step. You'd first turn your foot or feet, then, if the situation is right, you'd end up with a drop knee. In any case, love your videos!
I'm a V6 climber and I've never touched a drop knee because it has always scared me and confused me. But maybe it's been holding me back and I will try it when called for. But i also don't have the intuition of when to use it.
Your not quite right about your explenation of the nececity to apply an external rotation to stabilise your knee. In the video that you've mentionned Firas Zahabi is refering to a book named "becoming a supple leopard". If you want to explain what Firas Zahabi whant to demonstrate (as it is your reference for this video) you should read this book. To make it short : external rotation is good when your legs or arms are in front of you (in flexion). When your legs are behind you (in extention) you must apply an internal rotation. So don't worry : according to the people that you quote, drop knee are'nt bad. But you should read your source.
Highly recommend everyone to watch the Firas Zihabi episode on JRE. But beware that he spews a lot of bullshit in other areas he's not an expert in Another tidbit in that podcast: You're overtraining if you're sore
Just last night I was showing someone my drop-knee solution for a problem at the gym. He was super skeptical, asking "yeah but how does that help?" I struggled to put it into words, even though I know it can be super helpful. Anyways, now I know how to answer that question! Thanks for another great video.
Your ability to demonstrate with clarity is to be applauded. Great video as usual. Neil's Series is excellent too.
Have you read my mind? I was looking through your channel's tutorials yesterday and wondering where the drop knee one is... and BAM here it is.
Great vid!
Three other important things that are not mentioned in this video:
1) During the rotation, always keep the foot and knee aligned,
2) Start the rotation using your hips and heel. I have the impression that you start the movement from your knee (I could be wrong, it's hard to see). It might work for people with strong knees. But in general it's better to think about "rotating the hip and rotating the heel simultaneously", and simply let the knee follow. This is often overlooked and will avoid pain long term. + you have less of that internal rotation which makes your leg less strong, as you explain. :)
3) To maximize the lateral force, you want to have the heel of the dropping leg as "far from you" as possible (it will depend on your heel flexibility and the strength of your leg), and the other leg as straight as possible. This will avoid your feet cutting loose on harder problems.
This is the best drop knee explanation video I've seen.
Nice video! (I don't think the explanation with the torque makes a lot of sense the way you present it, but clearly the position you get into seems very useful for some situations!)
Hey in general I think this is a good explanation but I think the torque part is bs. You apply torque but it dissipates by making your foot turn. You can still apply some torque isometrically to kinda press your hip into the wall (back hip rotate internally , front hip rotate externally).
One more major advantage of drop knee is that you eliminate flexibility problem - you'd have to pretty much be able to do splits in order to keep your hips square and close to the wall, plus you'd need to have a lot of abductor strength and footholds that provide enough resistance to pull on them outwards.
I don't think the functional explanation is totally wrong, but the use of the word "torque" to explain this is definitely a misnomer. As someone who is into physics and was also bothered by them using that weird I appreciate you pointing that out
Agreed - also, if a dropknee and a backstep result in identical body and foot positions, the forces at that point are going to be the same. It makes no sense to assert that the a force does or doesn't exist in a given position based upon the specific sequence of movement that preceded that position. There might be times when the dropknee is *required* in order to reach the position.
I've also found because of the twisting action of drop knees my 'primary' arm also wraps around my body (moves closer to my chest) and allows more assistance from my pecs and biceps.... it sort of feels like im just hanging off of my scapula without any effort.... great video!
I consider your videos instructional art. Keep ‘em coming!
Another awesome video! I never fully realized that the drop knee pulls the hip in closer to the wall.
Thanks for making this video! I like how clear it is in explaining the effects of using drop knee! Awesome work
Your teaching and movement are exceptional
I'm a bit anxious about this move as I have a torn acl and never got the surgery for it. I haven't felt anything yet and it's great move to have in my repertoire so I'll continue trying them for now. Great video!
You are a genius! Faras is an amazing coach. GSP the goat!
Great video - clear, calm and uplifting!!!
Thank you!
I just found your channel it's truly a treasure trove. These instructional videos are really the best. I hear you say in this video that the end position of a drop knee is the back step but to me, it really should be the other way around. Just turning your feet and hips wouldn't normally be called a drop knee, from any place I've heard of, so I'd say that's a back step. But, if the back step is high enough compared to your hips, then the knee will end up at a 90-degree angle or smaller, sometimes pointing downwards. Seems to me that that would be the drop knee, which in that case would be the end position of the back step. You'd first turn your foot or feet, then, if the situation is right, you'd end up with a drop knee. In any case, love your videos!
Thank You for explaining how to handle square sagging body with drop knee!
I'm a V6 climber and I've never touched a drop knee because it has always scared me and confused me.
But maybe it's been holding me back and I will try it when called for. But i also don't have the intuition of when to use it.
Super helpful!!
Great demonstration, easy to follow! I'm curious what the red/black shoe used throughout the video is.
Could you do a video on rock rings and how to properly train with them?
Another great video thank you
maybe include some pockets and cracks as example for using torque in climbing, you almost did so already anyway
Damn you are the man
Your not quite right about your explenation of the nececity to apply an external rotation to stabilise your knee. In the video that you've mentionned Firas Zahabi is refering to a book named "becoming a supple leopard". If you want to explain what Firas Zahabi whant to demonstrate (as it is your reference for this video) you should read this book. To make it short : external rotation is good when your legs or arms are in front of you (in flexion). When your legs are behind you (in extention) you must apply an internal rotation. So don't worry : according to the people that you quote, drop knee are'nt bad. But you should read your source.
those gradings are joke
Why do you wear a mask when you're alone?
Most gyms make you at all times. Even alone... Its annoying. I have glasses and they fog..
Highly recommend everyone to watch the Firas Zihabi episode on JRE. But beware that he spews a lot of bullshit in other areas he's not an expert in
Another tidbit in that podcast: You're overtraining if you're sore
JRE in a nutshell lmao
They use force, to make you do, what the deciders, have decided you must do.