@@RamadaDiver Apologists tend weave webs to backup their dogmas and/or intentionally mislead because they're often misguided themselves. The Christians I know don't find the need to mislead people. Many Evangelicals seem to not understand bearing false witness. If you're going to argue free speech then one must also take into account that the decalogue is unconstitutional.
It always is mind-blowing to me that Dan, who is a very learned scholar, can actually keep a straight face when responding to claims that even I - not a scholar at all -know are ridiculous. Good on you, Dan.
4:35 "So the next time you see a baby being born into a manger..." If I ever see this happen, I'm calling 911. Get that baby and their mom to a hospital to get checked out. And maybe, depending on the circumstances call Child Protective Services. . .
can yall just close the thesaurus and talk like normal people? feel like i'm on r/atheism everytime i open the comments on dan's videos. everybody here is so pretentious
Most of the time these claims are just so stupid on their face, these presenters must struggle to keep up the enthusiasm. Like you wouldn't even believe ancient peoples without our understanding would believe some of this stuff, and sure enough, most of the time they actually didn't.
@@HelloNewman1989 Yep. The unknown author Mathew demonstrates poor credibility since he cites this in Mathew 2:6 but then casually ignores the rest of Micah 5.
Weren’t there two sacrifices made on Yom Kippur? One, a “perfect” male lamb, which was killed on the altar, and the other a goat sent into the wilderness (the “scapegoat”). Doesn’t make this guy’s theory any more correct, of course.
Old Testament God told Moses that child sacrifice was taboo and punishable by death. New Testament God told(?) Christians that one human sacrifice was good. But additional deaths were fine, too.
The manger one gets me, because animal husbandry features heavily in the bible and so many theobros sound off about it without having any basic sense of how animals are or were actually cared for.
They also make claims about the fishermen saying 513 fish were caught. Do you know of any fishermen who would count individual small fish like that? The fact that 513 was part of a Pythagorean triple (and thus considered magical) is ignored
One of the breeds, used to protect the herd against predators is the Canaan Dog. It’s based on dogs used in old times. No need to put them in a manger. And I don’t think wolves come in human settlements, unless it’s bitter cold. In older stories that’s used to show how cold it was. And I don’t think wolves, or the big cats they had in those times, would have any problem getting the lambs out.
What's with apologists insisting that every. single. detail. of Jesus's life has to be extraordinary? Can't Bethlehem just be some town? If he's fully human, there should be aspects of his existence that are mundane, just like the rest of us. (mind you, I'm an atheist, so it's all besides the point to me)
Like that time that Jesus was hungry but the fig tree was bare. It's as mundane as that time we all drove by McDonalds for breakfast by they had stopped serving breakfast. Oh, wait, the tree died and now it's a metaphor.
But it is mostly extraordinary--because like most ancient figures of his time, any details of the events of his childhood or any speeches he made or pithy dialogues he had, were almost certainly made up decades or centuries after the fact.
If nothing else, and there really is nothing else, you can admire this dudes enthusiasm. But it's this enthusiasm that leads some people to follow along and perhaps even accept some of this fantasy. Thanks Dan for doing your part to filter out the rubbish.
I was raised as catholic in the UK and went to catholic primary and secondary schools. Anyone coming in and trying to teach us that kind of drivel would have been laughed at. It's nearly 50 years since I finished school and back then we were aware that you can't take the nativity stories very seriously as 'history' as there are too many contradictions.
Something like this that discusses the manger has been circulating on Facebook and why wife showed me and I tried to be nice and tell her it’s not correct by she was not happy. Trying to get people to think critically about their long held beliefs is sometimes impossible and difficult at best.
It's highly doubtful that kid has ever really read the Bible. Probably only heard about it from some preacher. It seems he knows only about some harmonization account that puts shepherds and wise men all neatly together in one tale. Maybe remembered it from his fifth grade Christmas play.
Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hasted to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter.
Why do flat earthers and dime-store apologists love making videos from inside their automobiles? Mom kicked them out of the basement so she could do some cleaning.
I'm not a video maker, and I wondered that too till I finally found a posted answer. In short, it's because the acoustics are good and relatively soundproof, and there is natural diffuse light coming from all directions so the lighting is good. In other words, car interiors are good video studios. Who knew?
This video opens up with a kid, hat on backwards, saying he is "going to blow my mind", and already am cringing. Thankfully, we have actual adults in the room who can address this kid's misunderstanding.
@@DRayL_ he once told me, "when you meet someone new, assume that they're either stupid, selfish, or lazy, and you wont be wrong too often." he met lots of people...
A gospel is not a written work or text The Gospel is the gospel of jesus . Mark mathew Luke and john .are essentially ' jesus Gospel according to Mark Mathew Luke and John ' So you can't make your own because Mark Mathee Luke and john are not gospels . They are greco roman biographies about jesus and his gospel .
I didnt know stars hovered over houses, i believe the smallest known star is larger than the earth so i dont know what star brought the 3 Wise Men to Jesus' exact location
Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hastended to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter.
The Evangelicals presentation would be perfect for a conspiracy video, maybe he could do a cross over and tell us about the Roman on the grassy knoll or something.
So not only did the Magi have a magic star that knew the exact house that Jesus was in, they also had deep knowledge of Jewish thought, and yet they STILL had to stop and ask Herod what town they were supposed to go to?
Herod = Hero of the path = aka sun's ecliptic. Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hastended to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter.
@@RamadaDiver Matthew 2: "1 In the time of King Herod, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 asking, "Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews?"
@@harveywabbit9541 Being a star, Spica did exactly the same thing the night Jesus was born as it has done every night before and since --- it rose in the east and set in the west. If it rose just before midnight, anybody following it would start out walking east, then southeast, then almost due south by the time the sun rose. If they repeated this every night, they would eventually drown in the Arabian Sea, much farther from Bethlehem than when they started.
@@brock2k1 Your claim was the magi had to stop and ask what town . No the star brought the magi to judea and to herod . The magi didn't ask what town . Herod did .. The magi where just following the star
Facts: 1. Lambs for sin offering are only mentioned a few times and are ususally FEMALE (Lev 4:32-35; Lev 5:6; Lev 12:1-8 makes no distinction on the sex of the lamb but that offering is also NOT a sin offering but a whole burnt offering; Lev 14:21 does refer to a male lamb but it is for a guilt offering NOT a sin offering). For this 'picture' of him as a lamb sin offering to hold true Jesus would have to be female and I am not aware of any Christians that espouse that. 2. Passover lambs are NOWHERE mentioned in any way regarding sin removal or atonement. John 1:29+36 clouds any understanding of the above verses. 3. 1 Cor 5:7 does not contain the word 'lamb' in it, but rather was added by some translations to 'clarify' the passage which is talking about leaven and sin. 4. The many uses of the word 'lamb' for Jesus in the book of Revelation are in fact an entirely different word than the others mentioned previously in the NT - it means lambkin or little lamb. 5. Jesus is actually a man and not a lamb or any other 4 footed animal 6. According to the synoptic gospels Jesus ate the Passover meal, therefore he died on the first day of unleavened bread and was not crucified at the same time as the lambs were sacrificed 7. a vast majority of Christians don't celebrate Passover so the analogy of him being 'our passover lamb' is moot.
@@m.gattus-reinhart845 i understand that people use metaphors selectively to support their arguments...did he literally or metaphorically die? If it is 'just a metaphor' why did he literally die?
@urlyadoptr You seem so fixated on the word 'lamb' I was just wondering if you understood what a metaphor or at least the symbology of. Jesus being the lamb of God is symbolic, not literal. Jesus celebrating Passover and when he was crucified depends on which Gospel you read. You say a vast majority of Christians don't celebrate the literal Passover, but symbolically they do and some every weekend. Otherwise the man is dead, never to rise again. Moses did that just to write Duetronomy 34. 😆
@@m.gattus-reinhart845 it meant he was blameless not that he was somehow equivocated to a sacrificial animal (btw human sacrifices are not permitted). I believe the timeline of the 3 witnesses that agree not the one that differs therefore he ate Passover and died the following day. How do you symbolically observe a day that occurs once a year ever weekend? No, that man was raised by his Father according to the scriptures (Ps 16:10)
Looks like the authors of the Gospels read the Old Testament, and they start thinking "What should I write about Jesus' life so people will think that his coming was prophesied before?"
Lol, I love the "let's see it" when the chances are about one in a billion that whoever is in the video is going to put together a coherent, convincing argument.
Man, everyone remembers the incredibly well-documented historical event that was the Zoroastrian Bethlehem Freak Out of 2AD. It's one of the major historical evidences that apologists aren't just pulling things out of their butts, along with the Roman Myrrh Referencing Scandal of 33AD that got a bunch of soldiers dismissed!
Creator of the video: "I want you to see the cross and a God who took away your sins" Dan: "I want you to think critically and Google competently." Looks like no one gets what they want this time.
The five signs in Rev. 9.5, denote the five months of gestation of lambs. Note where the leader is the scorpion (Scorpio) who leads Sagittarius thru Pisces. What comes after Pisces?
Premise 1. Jesus born in Bethlehem. Fiction. However interesting fact, Bethlehem was named for the Temple of the Guardian of Enki, the god of the oldest city on Earth. In myth Lahmu and his sister were the guardians of that city. Bethlehem was the town know for producing sacrificial lambs. Ad hoc. However, did you know that after David campaigned to take Jerusalem, the philistines to Bethlehem. Placing in hewn stone mangers so wolves would not get to them, wrapped in swaddling cloth🤣🤣 Fascinating though that is [Not]. The book of Jonah has the cows of Ninevah in sackcloth so they could demonstrate repentance for having sinned against god…..those must have been some kosher cows. Maybe the wrapping of the baby Jesus was for the repentance of the sin of his conception. That’s my apologetic and I’m sticking to it🤣 They were very wise shepherds, so wise they went to Babylon to receive special instructions for “W____e of Babylon” and Asherah Mazda so they also happened to be very hip Magi from the east, and of course they did all of this by herding there sheep in the various palace gardens. 😁 🎶There was a house in Bethlehem they called the rising son🎶 “The next time you see a baby in a manger, I want you to see a ✝️ “ When I see nativity scenes at Christmas what I see is capitalism at its finest. Marketing a religion to people so they will buy things to make corporations richer.” In the words of Joel Oesteem, momma got to have a swimming pool.
It's an assumption that Zoroastrian scholars would not know Jewish temple practices. The Jewish diaspora from the Babylonian exile did not vanish after Cyrus allowed the return of Jews.
What's up with the audio in your videos lately? Sometimes they'll be on point and then others, like this one, I have to double my volume to be able to hear you...and then remember to turn it back down or go deaf when a new video comes up. You can do better Dan... Otherwise...good video.
if Jesus is so real........let's see him.....that usually puts an end to the conversation....you can claim anything is real as long as it is conveniently invisible
Actually you are correct . Luke and Mathew are not telling the same story and don't contradict . Mathew has an infancy narrative when jesus is about 2 years old . Luke records the birth narrative . The magi show up to joseph Mary and Jesus when jesus is a young child . Not a baby . These are not the same stories and can not contradict
Why do idiots have their epiphanies in their driver seat? Also, why do people that live with their mom go park somewhere before getting high? And third, Did I just answer my own question?
Why? Just why? Let's just assume for a moment that the birth narratives are actual history instead of symbolic stories told to help emphasize who Jesus is and why he is important instead of what actually happened. Wouldn't just the bare facts as given be amazing enough?
No historian mentions Jesus Apostles miracles from any historical record from that era. The Messiah must come from king David's father biological father and fulfill Isaiah 2 and 11 Ezekiel 37 first time he comes no second coming of Messiah in Hebrew scripture sources where the idea came from. The Messiah is not a man God idol trinity pagan human sacrifice calvary to die for world sins to replace Torah laws with a Greek new testament which curses Torah laws and Jews..
We celebrate the arrival of the messiah/mesiah aka son of Jupiter at every Passover. The mesiah aka son of God is the sign of the Ram which is followed by the Ox and then the Twins of Philadelphia.
"Facts 1 and 2" are more on Bethlehem, not about Jesus' birth. "Fact 3" contradicts the story that the inn was full so they went to the manger "Fact 4" makes it seem like Magi deduce things like the Adam West version if Batman solving one of the Riddler's puzzles. "Fact 4" makes it seem like _murr" is a drinkable thing.
The magi themselves are not what's important in this narrative (this is my opinion) it's the gifts that are highly symbolic frankincense was highly spiritual and used in Egypt to to worship Ra as well as ba'al .. myrhh usually has death connotations and gold I could write a book on but it significance is purportedly kingship here.. in fact it's reflected in the versed to "we three kinds" that no one seems to know Born a King on Bethlehem's plain, gold I bring to crown him again, King forever, ceasing never, over us all to reign. Frankincense to offer have I; incense owns a Deity nigh; prayer and praising, voices raising, worshiping God on high. Myrrh is mine; its bitter perfume breathes a life of gathering gloom; sorrowing, sighing, bleeding, dying, sealed in the stone-cold tomb. Is this is actual meaning I don't know but it's not really takes about
Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hastened to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter. Another reading of the trinity is Gold (spring), Silver (summer), and Iron (winter)
@harveywabbit9541 the magi were never named in the text, the trinity is an invention of the 2nd century to rectify the christology of the proto orthodox church. He's done plenty of videos on the topic and I agree with him 100%. Therefore the symbolic interpretation won't involve the trinity.
@@4everseekingwisdom690 Now, as above all others, the new born babe, designed to succeed in authority, needs a protector; so it was with our baby Savior. No sooner had the wise men discovered his whereabouts, than they communicated their knowledge to that old tyrant, King Herod (Hero-of the-path = the Old Year's Sun). Fearing that he might be supplanted, as he subsequently was, by the young bantling, in his kingdom, "he sent forth and slew all the children in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under;" i.e. as the Sun entered Capricorn, where the Savior is annually born, the children (Gemini) set, being two years (months) old, and under "according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men*," and so slain. This was bad for the children, who were the same as Elisha's two bears "tare," about 100 years before, but all right as regarded the little Savior. The two she bears are still alive as Ursa major and Ursa minor.
Dan Mathew 2 22 And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth, so that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, that he woul d be called a Nazarene. I guess jesus wast from nazarerh . He was only placed there to fufil prophecy ? Or Bethlahem is Josephs home town Why does the angel have to go to mary and Joseph separately? Becayse they were not living tigether as they were not married yet Luke 2 2 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This was the first registration and was taken BEFORE Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3 All went to their own towns to be registered. So luke says ALL.( including joseph ) went to their hometowns . Meaning bethlahem is josephs.hometown And Elizabeth marys cousin. John the baptists mother lives in judea . Probably how jospeh and mary met
@@RamadaDiver See Job 38: 32; where you will find Mazaroth translated "the twelve signs." Both Gesenius and Fuerst have: "the twelve constellations of the Zodiac" Both agree upon the root. It is nazar, the m being changed to n; which is allowable in Hebrew. Nazar, as a verb, means " to surround, to enclose, to encircle." (Fuerst's Heb. Lex. p. 919). Nazareth, then, is the same as Mazaroth (Parkhurst has but one z).
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And the alarming dishonesty of Christian apologists continues unabated.
The "manger" is the Beehive cluster in Cancer.
He's a random Christian makeing a video about his beliefs he's not an apologist.
Just exercising his right to free speech
@@HelloNewman1989 Oh, the webs they weave!
@@RamadaDiver Apologists tend weave webs to backup their dogmas and/or intentionally mislead because they're often misguided themselves. The Christians I know don't find the need to mislead people. Many Evangelicals seem to not understand bearing false witness.
If you're going to argue free speech then one must also take into account that the decalogue is unconstitutional.
@@RamadaDiver He's a liar for Jesus, AKA, a Christian apologist.
It always is mind-blowing to me that Dan, who is a very learned scholar, can actually keep a straight face when responding to claims that even I - not a scholar at all -know are ridiculous. Good on you, Dan.
4:35 "So the next time you see a baby being born into a manger..."
If I ever see this happen, I'm calling 911. Get that baby and their mom to a hospital to get checked out. And maybe, depending on the circumstances call Child Protective Services. . .
The presenter's utter and happy enthusiasm, rather than being joyously infectious ends up being just hysterically inept. Sad, just sad....
Used car salesman energy. A performance to gain ingroup cred.
Agreed. It was so ridiculous I could hardly bear to listen to him.
can yall just close the thesaurus and talk like normal people? feel like i'm on r/atheism everytime i open the comments on dan's videos. everybody here is so pretentious
@@somewhatreallycoolguy7439 How’s this: “The guy wants to seem happy, but he just comes across as a jerk. Sad, just sad…
@@cobuck4007😂
When you have a lightweight mind it's easy to blow it away.
Like God sent Trump to save us.
I love this, I'm gonna use it :-)
lol best comment ever!
1:53' It genuinely makes me happy to see Dan being so happy and amused here, instead of serious and stern as he often is in these reaction videos
There's something about these Evangelical videos that always seem off to me for some reason.
The reason is they're lying. To their audience or to themselves, but they are lying.
They always act as if they’re in awe/amazed at God’s perfect word. It painfully obvious they really aren’t.
Most of the time these claims are just so stupid on their face, these presenters must struggle to keep up the enthusiasm. Like you wouldn't even believe ancient peoples without our understanding would believe some of this stuff, and sure enough, most of the time they actually didn't.
Bearing false witness doesn't seem to be in his lexicon.
So, they wrap the lambs up and put them in a food trough so that the wolves won't get them...? Is this the ancient origin getting a box lunch?
Or an early vending machine, with the food all wrapped up and ready to eat.
They could have closed the door..
Better not go out at night in Bethlehem, there's a pack of wolfs roaming the streets!
Jewish bento?
No wolf is going to eat a lamb that hasn't been properly placed on a plate.
The wolves are fundamentalist preachers.
If you ever decide to just groan instead of saying "alright, let's see it", I think most of us would understand.
The tone of voice gives it away. "Hark! I am insane."
@BabyHoolighan
I got that it was more like, "I know how to perform magic. Watch me talk out of mya ss!
"Exegetical trigonometry. " It's gold, Jerry! GOLd!
Shout out to Kenny Bania.
Thanks Dan. ❤
Even Dan couldn't help but laugh
The Bethlehem "prophecy" alluded is from Micah 5:2 but if you read later it talks about this person defending his people from Assyrians in Micah 5:6.
@@srdrmhssn Glad you brought this up. Verses 3-6 flesh out the identity of this ruler. And it sure ain't Jesus who matches none of the criteria.
@@HelloNewman1989 Yep. The unknown author Mathew demonstrates poor credibility since he cites this in Mathew 2:6 but then casually ignores the rest of Micah 5.
The atoning sacrifice (made on Yom Kippur) was a goat
The goat is still doing fine aka Capricorn.
The woke of Christian theology rests on ignoring all but one of the sacrifices made in the Temple so they can say Jesus substituted for it.
@@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286
The Ram is the major sacrifice.
@@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286 especially when human sacrifices are forbidden in the torah😂
Weren’t there two sacrifices made on Yom Kippur? One, a “perfect” male lamb, which was killed on the altar, and the other a goat sent into the wilderness (the “scapegoat”). Doesn’t make this guy’s theory any more correct, of course.
Thanks Dan for your continued voice of reason!
Unable to fathom that for forgiveness of sins a human sacrifice is required and no less that of an innocent.
This is just beyond my understanding
Old Testament God told Moses that child sacrifice was taboo and punishable by death.
New Testament God told(?) Christians that one human sacrifice was good. But additional deaths were fine, too.
The manger one gets me, because animal husbandry features heavily in the bible and so many theobros sound off about it without having any basic sense of how animals are or were actually cared for.
They also make claims about the fishermen saying 513 fish were caught. Do you know of any fishermen who would count individual small fish like that? The fact that 513 was part of a Pythagorean triple (and thus considered magical) is ignored
One of the breeds, used to protect the herd against predators is the Canaan Dog. It’s based on dogs used in old times. No need to put them in a manger.
And I don’t think wolves come in human settlements, unless it’s bitter cold. In older stories that’s used to show how cold it was.
And I don’t think wolves, or the big cats they had in those times, would have any problem getting the lambs out.
What was he smoking? Good stuff, I'm sure.
Unfortunately, recreational substances cannot be blamed for this level of animated ignorance.
@@Alex_Mitchell It's a performance to gain ingroup cred.
What's with apologists insisting that every. single. detail. of Jesus's life has to be extraordinary? Can't Bethlehem just be some town? If he's fully human, there should be aspects of his existence that are mundane, just like the rest of us. (mind you, I'm an atheist, so it's all besides the point to me)
As Dan stated in the video, the story is stale. There is a need or a desire to freshen the old story with exciting new "discoveries".
Like that time that Jesus was hungry but the fig tree was bare. It's as mundane as that time we all drove by McDonalds for breakfast by they had stopped serving breakfast.
Oh, wait, the tree died and now it's a metaphor.
But it is mostly extraordinary--because like most ancient figures of his time, any details of the events of his childhood or any speeches he made or pithy dialogues he had, were almost certainly made up decades or centuries after the fact.
HA!!
@@chris-io9zt the old stuff has been debunked a million times. The new stuff has only been debunked a thousand times.
Now I know why fundamentalist's say they are "Washed in the blood of the lamb!" Very, very Pagan I'd say!!!
This is the sun's passage through Aries. Then it's on to be washed in the blood of the ox (Taurus).
❤❤❤❤❤❤thanks Dan!!!
What a happy little puppy. Gotta love him…
But like all puppies, a little spanking might just go a long way......
If nothing else, and there really is nothing else, you can admire this dudes enthusiasm. But it's this enthusiasm that leads some people to follow along and perhaps even accept some of this fantasy. Thanks Dan for doing your part to filter out the rubbish.
Love your response as always. It reminded me that I have to get some cooking done
Swaddling is how people dress babies. Adding lambs to that is going way out of your way just to come back to how babies are dressed anyway
Either way, less exercise = tender meat.🥴
I was raised as catholic in the UK and went to catholic primary and secondary schools. Anyone coming in and trying to teach us that kind of drivel would have been laughed at. It's nearly 50 years since I finished school and back then we were aware that you can't take the nativity stories very seriously as 'history' as there are too many contradictions.
I really wish these apologists would learn the difference between a claim and a fact
Something like this that discusses the manger has been circulating on Facebook and why wife showed me and I tried to be nice and tell her it’s not correct by she was not happy. Trying to get people to think critically about their long held beliefs is sometimes impossible and difficult at best.
Yes, simply because that "critical" aspect is lacking, fully vanished....
Heracles will flush the manger.
@@harveywabbit9541you also like to go greek 👍
Thank you Dan! 👍🏾
It's highly doubtful that kid has ever really read the Bible. Probably only heard about it from some preacher. It seems he knows only about some harmonization account that puts shepherds and wise men all neatly together in one tale. Maybe remembered it from his fifth grade Christmas play.
Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hasted to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter.
When wolves see a lamb in a manger they know: that's food for farm animals, not them. 🤣
Right?? Who knew keeping wolves away from soft, delicious infant meat would be so easy!
wolves are known for respecting boundaries
Dan McClellan's diplomatic way of saying "Are you sh***ing me?"
And this man obviously never heard of guarding dogs to protect the herd. like the ancestors of the Canaan Dog!!! Or donkeys.
The Canaan dogs are Canis major and Canis minor.
The word here is CONTEMPORANOUSLY. Its what I like about these explanations. Not the later interpretations, exaggerations etc. Thanks Dan 👍
First time I've seen Dan crack up during a vid 😏
Dan: Don’t make fun of these creators.
Also Dan: they’re all mine…
I think the idea of "googling responsibly" should be preceded by "Don't Google before you drive"
What's scary is their conviction of this fales information
The enthusiasm of the guy presenting those "facts" is hilarious, as evidenced by the difficulty Dan appeared to have keeping a straight face.
The fact he thought they were 'facts' is disturbing. Swaddling lambs? Really? Tell me you've never been near a field of sheep without telling me...
@@ronkelley5348 Yep. Like the let's keep a lamb from being eaten by putting it in a feeding trough... oh."
That's also my Christmas wish. For these Christians to think critically and google competently.
Why do flat earthers and dime-store apologists love making videos from inside their automobiles? Mom kicked them out of the basement so she could do some cleaning.
I'm not a video maker, and I wondered that too till I finally found a posted answer.
In short, it's because the acoustics are good and relatively soundproof, and there is natural diffuse light coming from all directions so the lighting is good.
In other words, car interiors are good video studios. Who knew?
These lambs were also conceived from virgin ewes.
Rachel (Ewe) is/was also a Virgin.
I laughed at this so hard I almost spit out my tea.
Christians going all Dan Brown with symbolism just cracks me up.
This video opens up with a kid, hat on backwards, saying he is "going to blow my mind", and already am cringing.
Thankfully, we have actual adults in the room who can address this kid's misunderstanding.
my grandfather was a minister (doctor of divinity & everything) for 70 years and never ONCE wore his ball cap backwards
@@roypiltdown5083 LOL...He sounds like a good guy. 🙂
@@DRayL_ he once told me, "when you meet someone new, assume that they're either stupid, selfish, or lazy, and you wont be wrong too often." he met lots of people...
@@roypiltdown5083 LOL That's pretty great!
FYI it’s just “Bava Kama”, not “the Bava Kama”. Hearing it with an article is just weird and signals that this is someone who’s unfamiliar with it.
At this point of creative interpretation he might as well write his own Gospel. Remember, folks, you can just write your own Gospel
A gospel is not a written work or text
The Gospel is the gospel of jesus .
Mark mathew Luke and john .are essentially
' jesus Gospel according to Mark Mathew Luke and John '
So you can't make your own because Mark Mathee Luke and john are not gospels .
They are greco roman biographies about jesus and his gospel .
I didnt know stars hovered over houses, i believe the smallest known star is larger than the earth so i dont know what star brought the 3 Wise Men to Jesus' exact location
Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hastended to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter.
Hi. What would you say about apologist claim that Luke does not mention the trip to Egypt in order to avoid antagonizing Romans?
@@modernatheism Why would someone with god on their side be concerned about the Romans (or any other tribe)?
@@chris-io9zt May as well ask why would Luke get out of bed when he can just ask God to bring him breakfast.
@@modernatheismWhy would Luke get out of bed when he could ask God to make him breakfast?
@@modernatheism avoid antagonizing Romans?!! *Luke wrote a story where the Romans are the baddies who kill the protagonist.*
@@pansepot1490 yeah that part was like unavoidable ;)
The Evangelicals presentation would be perfect for a conspiracy video, maybe he could do a cross over and tell us about the Roman on the grassy knoll or something.
So not only did the Magi have a magic star that knew the exact house that Jesus was in, they also had deep knowledge of Jewish thought, and yet they STILL had to stop and ask Herod what town they were supposed to go to?
It's Herod that asks where the messiah would be born. Not the magi . They were just following the star wherever it lead them
Herod = Hero of the path = aka sun's ecliptic.
Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hastended to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter.
@@RamadaDiver Matthew 2: "1 In the time of King Herod, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 asking, "Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews?"
@@harveywabbit9541 Being a star, Spica did exactly the same thing the night Jesus was born as it has done every night before and since --- it rose in the east and set in the west. If it rose just before midnight, anybody following it would start out walking east, then southeast, then almost due south by the time the sun rose. If they repeated this every night, they would eventually drown in the Arabian Sea, much farther from Bethlehem than when they started.
@@brock2k1
Your claim was the magi had to stop and ask what town .
No the star brought the magi to judea and to herod .
The magi didn't ask what town . Herod did ..
The magi where just following the star
Facts:
1. Lambs for sin offering are only mentioned a few times and are ususally FEMALE
(Lev 4:32-35; Lev 5:6; Lev 12:1-8 makes no distinction on the sex of the lamb but that offering is also NOT a sin offering but a whole burnt offering; Lev 14:21 does refer to a male lamb but it is for a guilt offering NOT a sin offering).
For this 'picture' of him as a lamb sin offering to hold true Jesus would have to be female and I am not aware of any Christians that espouse that.
2. Passover lambs are NOWHERE mentioned in any way regarding sin removal or atonement. John 1:29+36 clouds any understanding of the above verses.
3. 1 Cor 5:7 does not contain the word 'lamb' in it, but rather was added by some translations to 'clarify' the passage which is talking about leaven and sin.
4. The many uses of the word 'lamb' for Jesus in the book of Revelation are in fact an entirely different word than the others mentioned previously in the NT - it means lambkin or little lamb.
5. Jesus is actually a man and not a lamb or any other 4 footed animal
6. According to the synoptic gospels Jesus ate the Passover meal, therefore he died on the first day of unleavened bread and was not crucified at the same time as the lambs were sacrificed
7. a vast majority of Christians don't celebrate Passover so the analogy of him being 'our passover lamb' is moot.
Do you not understand metaphors?
@@m.gattus-reinhart845 i understand that people use metaphors selectively to support their arguments...did he literally or metaphorically die? If it is 'just a metaphor' why did he literally die?
@urlyadoptr You seem so fixated on the word 'lamb' I was just wondering if you understood what a metaphor or at least the symbology of. Jesus being the lamb of God is symbolic, not literal. Jesus celebrating Passover and when he was crucified depends on which Gospel you read. You say a vast majority of Christians don't celebrate the literal Passover, but symbolically they do and some every weekend. Otherwise the man is dead, never to rise again. Moses did that just to write Duetronomy 34. 😆
@@m.gattus-reinhart845 it meant he was blameless not that he was somehow equivocated to a sacrificial animal (btw human sacrifices are not permitted). I believe the timeline of the 3 witnesses that agree not the one that differs therefore he ate Passover and died the following day. How do you symbolically observe a day that occurs once a year ever weekend? No, that man was raised by his Father according to the scriptures (Ps 16:10)
I *don't* love the poorly educated
They elected D.J. Trump as their leader/mesiah (son of god).
The greatest challenge of all... love 'em anyway.
Looks like the authors of the Gospels read the Old Testament, and they start thinking "What should I write about Jesus' life so people will think that his coming was prophesied before?"
Lol, I love the "let's see it" when the chances are about one in a billion that whoever is in the video is going to put together a coherent, convincing argument.
Man, everyone remembers the incredibly well-documented historical event that was the Zoroastrian Bethlehem Freak Out of 2AD. It's one of the major historical evidences that apologists aren't just pulling things out of their butts, along with the Roman Myrrh Referencing Scandal of 33AD that got a bunch of soldiers dismissed!
I’ve heard a lot of crazy things in relation to trying to tie Jesus into prophetic significance, but I’ve NEVER heard anything like this 😂
What I find mind blowing is: the neon sign over Yeshu's head couldn't show up any earlier so that he/she could have a place to be born.....
Creator of the video: "I want you to see the cross and a God who took away your sins"
Dan: "I want you to think critically and Google competently."
Looks like no one gets what they want this time.
God, the Sun, leads us into sin at the crossing of the autumn equinox and leads us out of sin at the spring equinox. Hail Zeus/Jupiter/Indra.
Oh that evangelical sermon energy. 😏
Consider my mind profoundly unblown.
Also, bro...the hat. Lose the hat. Forever.
This guy is giving youth pastor vibes
When you take fan theories a little too far…
Who is the guy in the clip who Dan is critiquing?
A wanna be nobody....
Dan is too kind to "name names" so as not to shame these ignorant RUclipsrs.
I wouldn't be so kind....... 🤔😖
@@markmh835 nor would I. I would like to find them and leave them a comment directing them to his critique and pointing out how he filleted them.
These lambs be like Harry and David pears.
The five signs in Rev. 9.5, denote the five months of gestation of lambs.
Note where the leader is the scorpion (Scorpio) who leads Sagittarius thru Pisces. What comes after Pisces?
The only thing this guy is blowing in this video is reality
When you see Spider Man you should remember the proverb, "With great power comes great responsibility"
This means Uncle Ben was a real person.
Dan is so sassy in this one.
when did we decide that being stupid on the internet was a valid way to live?
Apparently, bearing false witness doesn't seem to be in his lexicon.
The manic enthusiasm of some of these guys is disturbing.
Cocaine is a heck of a drug!
Premise 1. Jesus born in Bethlehem. Fiction. However interesting fact, Bethlehem was named for the Temple of the Guardian of Enki, the god of the oldest city on Earth. In myth Lahmu and his sister were the guardians of that city.
Bethlehem was the town know for producing sacrificial lambs. Ad hoc. However, did you know that after David campaigned to take Jerusalem, the philistines to Bethlehem.
Placing in hewn stone mangers so wolves would not get to them, wrapped in swaddling cloth🤣🤣 Fascinating though that is [Not]. The book of Jonah has the cows of Ninevah in sackcloth so they could demonstrate repentance for having sinned against god…..those must have been some kosher cows. Maybe the wrapping of the baby Jesus was for the repentance of the sin of his conception. That’s my apologetic and I’m sticking to it🤣
They were very wise shepherds, so wise they went to Babylon to receive special instructions for “W____e of Babylon” and Asherah Mazda so they also happened to be very hip Magi from the east, and of course they did all of this by herding there sheep in the various palace gardens. 😁
🎶There was a house in Bethlehem they called the rising son🎶
“The next time you see a baby in a manger, I want you to see a ✝️ “
When I see nativity scenes at Christmas what I see is capitalism at its finest. Marketing a religion to people so they will buy things to make corporations richer.”
In the words of Joel Oesteem, momma got to have a swimming pool.
My grandfather who was a farmer would laugh at the ignorance of how to raise sheep or any livestock.
In psychiatry this is called "fixed fantasy".
Mary Christ Mass ❤
Always satisfying to see exegetical trigonometry superseded by exegetical calculus.
Tesla is a nice YT studio.
👍
It's an assumption that Zoroastrian scholars would not know Jewish temple practices. The Jewish diaspora from the Babylonian exile did not vanish after Cyrus allowed the return of Jews.
So Jesus is veal?
Very veal!
The lamb (Aries) is the first sign of the sacred year aka Aries thru Pisces.
Ever since shaved off his beard🧔 these videos feel like they're missing something important 🧔♂️, but what exactly 🧔♀️??
What's up with the audio in your videos lately? Sometimes they'll be on point and then others, like this one, I have to double my volume to be able to hear you...and then remember to turn it back down or go deaf when a new video comes up.
You can do better Dan...
Otherwise...good video.
My sound was fine. Grace and peace
My mind is somewhat blown, but...
if Jesus is so real........let's see him.....that usually puts an end to the conversation....you can claim anything is real as long as it is conveniently invisible
I guess when you die . Should people not beleive in your existence if they can't see you after ?
I’m thinking he’s not worried about which gospels the info comes from because he thinks they’re all telling the exact same story.
Actually you are correct .
Luke and Mathew are not telling the same story and don't contradict .
Mathew has an infancy narrative when jesus is about 2 years old .
Luke records the birth narrative .
The magi show up to joseph Mary and Jesus when jesus is a young child . Not a baby .
These are not the same stories and can not contradict
At 1:54 I died LOL
Why do idiots have their epiphanies in their driver seat? Also, why do people that live with their mom go park somewhere before getting high?
And third, Did I just answer my own question?
Why? Just why?
Let's just assume for a moment that the birth narratives are actual history instead of symbolic stories told to help emphasize who Jesus is and why he is important instead of what actually happened. Wouldn't just the bare facts as given be amazing enough?
Wolves?
This guy looks and sounds like Mac from It's always sunny in Philadelphia talking about made up Jesus stuff
No historian mentions Jesus Apostles miracles from any historical record from that era.
The Messiah must come from king David's father biological father and fulfill Isaiah 2 and 11 Ezekiel 37 first time he comes no second coming of Messiah in Hebrew scripture sources where the idea came from.
The Messiah is not a man God idol trinity pagan human sacrifice calvary to die for world sins to replace Torah laws with a Greek new testament which curses Torah laws and Jews..
Waiting for the English translation.....
@jamesarnette1394 Verify
We celebrate the arrival of the messiah/mesiah aka son of Jupiter at every Passover. The mesiah aka son of God is the sign of the Ram which is followed by the Ox and then the Twins of Philadelphia.
"Facts 1 and 2" are more on Bethlehem, not about Jesus' birth.
"Fact 3" contradicts the story that the inn was full so they went to the manger
"Fact 4" makes it seem like Magi deduce things like the Adam West version if Batman solving one of the Riddler's puzzles.
"Fact 4" makes it seem like _murr" is a drinkable thing.
Guest house not an inn
My mind was not blown. Maybe because these are not facts.
The Jesus cults.
The magi themselves are not what's important in this narrative (this is my opinion) it's the gifts that are highly symbolic frankincense was highly spiritual and used in Egypt to to worship Ra as well as ba'al .. myrhh usually has death connotations and gold I could write a book on but it significance is purportedly kingship here.. in fact it's reflected in the versed to "we three kinds" that no one seems to know
Born a King on Bethlehem's plain,
gold I bring to crown him again,
King forever, ceasing never,
over us all to reign.
Frankincense to offer have I;
incense owns a Deity nigh;
prayer and praising, voices raising,
worshiping God on high.
Myrrh is mine; its bitter perfume
breathes a life of gathering gloom;
sorrowing, sighing, bleeding, dying,
sealed in the stone-cold tomb.
Is this is actual meaning I don't know but it's not really takes about
Having learned of the young Savior's whereabouts, the shepherds hastened to the place, where they "found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger" -all in a pile! The thing was soon noised abroad and all wondered. But Mary said nothing. However, certain wise men having seen his star (Spica Virginis, which rises just before midnight when the Savior is born) in the east, were guided by it to where the child was. These were the three Magi (Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar the three seasons of the year = the Christian Trinity.) They at once fell down and worshiped him, and offered him gold, frankincense and myrrh, i.e., they offered him the year then before him. Gold the harvest of spring; frankincense = summer, and myrrh bitterness = winter.
Another reading of the trinity is Gold (spring), Silver (summer), and Iron (winter)
@harveywabbit9541 the magi were never named in the text, the trinity is an invention of the 2nd century to rectify the christology of the proto orthodox church. He's done plenty of videos on the topic and I agree with him 100%.
Therefore the symbolic interpretation won't involve the trinity.
@@4everseekingwisdom690
Now, as above all others, the new born babe, designed to succeed in authority, needs a protector; so it was with our baby Savior. No sooner had the wise men discovered his whereabouts, than they communicated their knowledge to that old tyrant, King Herod (Hero-of the-path = the Old Year's Sun). Fearing that he might be supplanted, as he subsequently was, by the young bantling, in his kingdom, "he sent forth and slew all the children in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under;" i.e. as the Sun entered Capricorn, where the Savior is annually born, the children (Gemini) set, being two years (months) old, and under "according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men*," and so slain. This was bad for the children, who were the same as Elisha's two bears "tare," about 100 years before, but all right as regarded the little Savior.
The two she bears are still alive as Ursa major and Ursa minor.
I know you ask us to be kind to creators sorry this one's an idiot.
"lame of god"?
Oh good lord, not this rubbish again.
Dan
Mathew 2
22 And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth, so that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, that he woul d be called a Nazarene.
I guess jesus wast from nazarerh . He was only placed there to fufil prophecy ?
Or Bethlahem is Josephs home town
Why does the angel have to go to mary and Joseph separately?
Becayse they were not living tigether as they were not married yet
Luke 2
2 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This was the first registration and was taken BEFORE Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3 All went to their own towns to be registered.
So luke says ALL.( including joseph ) went to their hometowns .
Meaning bethlahem is josephs.hometown
And Elizabeth marys cousin. John the baptists mother lives in judea .
Probably how jospeh and mary met
Nazareth is an alternate spelling of mazzaroth/mazaroth.
@harveywabbit9541
Is it ?
@harveywabbit9541
Mazzoreth is related to ' constellations '
Nazareth refere to a watch tower or. Branch within the New Testament
@@RamadaDiver
See Job 38: 32; where you will find Mazaroth translated "the twelve signs." Both Gesenius and Fuerst have: "the twelve constellations of the Zodiac" Both agree upon the root. It is nazar, the m being changed to n; which is allowable in Hebrew. Nazar, as a verb, means " to surround, to enclose, to encircle." (Fuerst's Heb. Lex. p. 919). Nazareth, then, is the same as Mazaroth (Parkhurst has but one z).
@harveywabbit9541
Yes which is what I said . It refers to constellations