This was sad to watch in almost every way. Reggie was the only one to have any sense. You won't see the physical market disapear. Its a trash prediction based on fear and a lack of understanding of how markets really work. Nobody thinks physical media will disapear that has any inside information of the games industry. Inside gaming knows Stadia is trash, next gen consoles will have a drive of some kind to take physical media. There are reasons for this: you do not alienate a large group of your target market, even at 20% that is too much loss of profit.
Glenn Hanlon i agree there’s still a huge market for physical games at least for console. It’s a bit different if we’re talking about pc but i don’t see physical games going away in the near future like most people seem to
It's not the same. I like having a case with the artwork etc. Going to local games stores and picking up new releases and hunting for some bargains is what it's all about for me. Guess I'm old school.
Hard Drive on the shelf? With all due respect, that's like instead of having a real poster on the wall using USB storage devices with JPEG "wallpaper" files. Furthermore digital feels like having books on the shelf without the cover/artwork. Remember, digital is soulless, interchangable, forgettable, and above all it's simply worthless, cuz cannot be sold, given as present, displayed etc. And I don't like it.
My main concern is access. I don't buy games to look at, the true art is in the data. I still buy physical but some things are digital only, and the only way to be sure i can still play those in the future is to make a system backup. They can delist it from the store, they can ban my account, the networks can go down, but ill still have my system backup on my shelf :)
Kinsey hit the nail on the head. I owned the Mortal Kombat arcade collection for PS3. I deleted it for space, and when I go to re-download it, it's no longer available. Not cool. I paid for that crap.
Which makes me glad I bought them on gog, they're the DOS versions, but the CD versions of 1 and 3 are REALLY damned close to the arcade anyway. If 2 had the arcade's music rather than MIDI it'd be damn near spot on too.
it surprises me that companies found this to be a fair practice and we're still accepting as normal. we're going more for digital, alright, but this has to change. there's no discussion about it
Bonk There is, the digital version of most games on ps4 or 3DS is more expansive than its physical release. If there is no more physical release in the future, gaming might end up being more expansive for less content in the end (which is not normal, it should be the other way around since companies are saving money, right?). It's greedy companies we're talking about, not mindful ones.
@@Heroinedown I would agree especially when you factor games that have been released for a while. From my observation, older games see greater depreciation in physical and even more so when used but digital games such as on the playstation store depreciate at a much slower rate - for example in the UK i get download titanfall 2 from the ps store for £17.99 or i can buy it new physical for £7.99 or final fantasy xv royal edition on ps store for £39.99 or new physical in GAME stores for £27.99
Thing about it though is they kind of need to keep the prices about the same to create a sustainable base for both physical and digital. If they made the digital games cheaper then that would force the price of physical to come down with people coming in with that “I can get it cheaper on amazon” mentality. At retail new games already don’t have huge profit margins. And the games themselves are already relatively low priced considering how much more expensive game development has become, for the publishers what they are losing keeping prices where they are can be made up by the higher profit margins they make on digital. That keeps both sides in business.
If a game has a physical release, I'll buy that over the digital almost 100% of the time. I hate the idea that I can lose access to a game I spent money on because the license is revoked or the providing company goes away; Steam is the most obvious example of this, and while it may seem inconceivable that Valve will ever shut its doors, I don't think it's actually terribly unlikely. If a game isn't available physically but it's on both Steam and GOG, I'll get it on GOG and save the installation exe in several other places in case GOG ever shuts its doors as well. Having to take all these contingencies is a hassle, though; the simplest solution is just to buy the physical version if there is one. The bigger problem with physical releases is games where it's a physical release in name only; the disc is literally just a boot disc that initiates a download of the actual game from the servers, so the game is unplayable without an internet connection and active servers. That's inexcusable, to be honest, and any time I get a game that does that, it makes me want to stop buying games from that publisher altogether. The only real exception is when a digital version of a game is for sale at an enormous discount, and it's a game that I don't think I'd be heartbroken to lose access to.
I think you're confusing digital with stream licensing. I don't agree with the trend of games on streaming services, but as long as I can access my game off the grid with an offline system and store it in my own personal space, I think it circumvents this issue.
@@jokatech With GOG, that's a legitimate process. But with Steam, you have to install the game through their client. What happens if Steam goes away, your old computer dies, and the client is no longer available? Even if the installation .exe for the Steam client was still being passed around, without Valve's servers being up, you can no longer install your games. THAT's my issue. Streaming games is a whole other kettle of fish, but equally a disaster.
On PS4 Downloads no Games if i put the Blu-ray in the Disk Drive!! It will Download only the Patches! The Console plays the Disk Games complete offline,the Download Games Not!! these Games need a copy Key from Sony to play It! No Internet no Gaming!!
@GamingTV it's okay. At least down the generation when my grandkids and great grandkids, they would be able to see what physical games looks like. It would be old antiques but it's a value to see a gameroom full of games then just an almost empty room with a pc and monitor.
With how bad australian Internet speeds are i don't even want to imagine having to try and download a full game. The world is seriously not adapted enough for a complete digital era.
I can see it work in a handful countries (mostly in northern europe, and southeast asia) both because we don't have data caps and since pretty much anyone can get high speed internet. But on a large scale worldwide it's several years until it can work in most places
yes it is korea and asia has terabyte speed internet usa has giga byte speeds now how about u get decent job and learn afford top tier speeds like rest of us i can download destiny 2 with all exspansions with in an hour and eso with all exspansions in same time as well yall collectors just need move on with future or get left in dust look at gog.com the epic lastore launcher the e shop for switch xbox store for xbox one ps plus games for ps4 steam for pc as well digital era is here only u retro gamers are complaining i dont see any xbox one or ps4 users complaining and all my freinds i play with prefer digital and want gamestop to go out buisness with all there preorder and day 1 dlc bullshit scams cant wait for them to go under not to mention all law suits gamestop has against them for all data leaks of customer credit cards information for past 13-15 years so yah get mad at me i dont care gamestop can go under for rest my life and id be happpy as fuck digital is future not physical...
All I can say is: thank goodness for pirates. They're breaking copyright laws, yes, but in the process they're archiving games that publishers don't/won't care to make available for legal purchase... or even acknowledge. You can't pay a reasonable fee to play Panzer Dragoon Saga (one of the most expensive used games of all time), and since Sega lost the source code, you will probably never again have the legal option. Only piracy and emulation make the game accessible to the vast majority of players. The same is true of BS Legend of Zelda: Ancient Stone Tablets. Pirates and hackers recreated the game by searching for serendipitous ROM dumps, looking at video recordings of gameplay, and translating the text over the course of years, and now we can all experience this strange piece of the Zelda franchise history. Nintendo could release it for download and make a tidy sum from it, but either they don't have the files anymore or they don't care about it. And a more recent example is DuckTales Remastered. What does it cost them to leave a file up on a server for purchase? Could that cost possibly be more than the average monthly digital sales of the game? I doubt it. But now you have to find an increasingly rare physical copy or you don't get to purchase/play it because you didn't get it within a narrow and unannounced window of digital sale. Pirates have the wrong motivations, perhaps, but they incidentally perform an important service for all of us.
I thought DuckTales Remastered went down because they lost the license, not because they couldn't afford to keep it on the server. I agree with everything else you said, though.
@@Louis-wp3fq You have it completely wrong. Pirates who release ROMS and emulators are doing it for the sole reason of preservation. Pirates who release modern games on the other hand are not. There is a big difference between the two.
The way modern gaming is going, I don't even care. I have more than enough retro games on physical to last me the rest of my life, and even then I doubt that I'll play everything I have. I refuse to play these disgustingly monetized modern games. I feel for the future generation of gamers though. They won't realize what they missed out on.
If you don't buy loot boxes you will be flogged in front of your peers. Spend hundreds trying to find the one skin you NEED. Do it before they shut down the server. Hurry!
TheRosswise Exactly what I have been saying, modern games (some of them) lack a soul, the type you can only find in indie games. I know I won't be playing all of my games either but I don't mind, at least they are my property and no game company can unplug the servers and leave me hanging for buying a product that would disappear once they consider it is no longer making enough money. They are gaming museums so I wouldn't worry too much about the next gen of players.
I’m in the physical minority. I still buy blu Ray and 4K discs too. I’m not into digital games or movies unless its backup only. Too me, digital means I’m renting them and hoping they don’t get ultimately removed. On something portable like a Switch I can see the benefits of digital. But do I really ‘own’ the games ?
SpazTek Warrior Thank god someone understands me but we shouldn't see ourselves as a minority because it feels like an inferiority complex taking over. Plus I know a lot of people who'd rather own a game than having it in a virtual store in the cloud until that cloud gets pirated or broken and those games disappear purely and simply (or the company simply decides to remove access from the store and "owners" of that game get screwed and can't ask for a refund because there's no law covering them). There's a huge gap in the digital department law making it easier to abuse the system with bad practices without being illegal, you can be sure companies are gonna do it (Bethesda is good example but fortunately for some Australians, they have the law on their side).
You’re right, but they don’t care. If you want Pokémon, and the ONLY option is to pay for a digital license for your one device... guess what, you’re probably paying
The same here. Not to mention, that Blueray Movies always look way better than the streaming version. I remember the first time I saw the streaming version of Avenvers on Netflix; I was like "Am I crazy?" "My Blueray version looks better" and yup, after switching it It was confirmed. As for games, I like being able to resell the ones I end not liking and actually owning them.
In a weird way, I feel like Blu-Ray is actually becoming the more convenient way to buy films because of all the different streaming services there are now. Might be better in the US since I know different regions have different content but I feel like every time I want to watch something its not on Netflix and it's not on Amazon. So I'll google it and there will be some other streaming service I don't have and rather than have that taking £8 a month from me I'll just think "fuck it" and get the Blu-Ray for £5 or less on eBay. Most Blu-Rays seem really cheap right now, it's only really the special editions like what Arrow release that are expensive. Been doing this for a while and at this point, my film shelf is looking better than any of the streaming services I'm subscribed to.
undone14 Don't forget the major sales, you don't get those on physical games. And without noticing it, you'll have more digital games than physical ones, it happened to most people I know (even to me).
I remember when they said that the iPad was going to kill books (and libraries and bookstores). 10 years later we still have plenty of books being published and digital books never really took off the way they speculated. I think the same will happen with videogames. People still want to own their media.
True! It still blows my mind how anyone would want to pay around £90 for a premium edition of a digital game though or saying that buy from a company like Amazon that has payed less tax to the UK government than Ed Sheeran in previous years.😂 As a whole we don’t demand anything as consumers anymore it’s really sad, we even buy cardboard from Nintendo and buy a title where we have to make the game ourselves (super mario maker). Just wait for the price to go down in shops dudes! Haha I am going a little off topic here 😂
@@goosebuffz You OWN games on disc and cartridge. You can do whatever you want with it... If the service where you downloaded the games shut down, you better kiss your games bye bye.
@@GameDjeenie Sorry I think you've missed what am saying, The game is digital regardless of the format disc, cartridge or download. What is pissing me off is the term digital games used for downloads only (like they're cool or something). "You OWN games on disc and cartridge" the trouble now is the game missing from the actual disc e.g. THPS5, Spyro Trilogy this is the issue that really needs addressing. On the plus side I have no moral objections to pirating download only / incomplete games
There is problems with ps4 discs...some games won't work without online but still. you can sell physical, cant resell digital copy unless that became a thing (I hope it does) I also like having discs because i hate waiting for game to download. having disc cuts the time to install.
goosebuffz I’m not sure if you know this, but there was a reprint of the Spyro trilogy, where all 3 games (complete.) are on one disc no update required. There problem where activison is so cheap and greedy, they never bothered to make this announcement, so if you bought a new copy and it came with the CTR:NF slip ad, and if the disc had 2019 on it! It’s the complete version.
Too many peoples say there is nothing we can do. We don't buy and support digital. Of course publishers are pushing digital because they don't have to do anything but upload a game and you pay the same price and the best perk: you own nothing! Wow, what a deal.
Let's just go digital for games that are not available otherwise but keep on buying the physical games when they do come out in stores. That's what I do at least and I get the best from the 2 worlds (plus I am not contributing to the expansion of the digital only by not getting games that do have a physical copy). Right now most digital games are too expansive compared to the ones in stores while they offer less (no box arts illustartions or manuals) yet you pay the same price or more than the physical release. The 3ds store or the playstation store outside of sales are the perfect examples of digital games being overpriced.
Here’s my biggest concern with all of the digital media: storage and future proofing. You can collect all of your retro games and keep them indefinitely. You can only keep your digital games as long as your storage or the source allows. This is bad overall imo. If you were allowed to purchase digital AND STORE it locally in a nonproprietary fashion, then it changes.
iVirtualPlays I specifically said purchase and store digital in a nonproprietary manner. I don’t want the subscription service holding things I bought. I want that control
@@8bitopa148 - Well that really isn't the conversation here is it? You're on the outside of the hobby (kudos to you for it), but 99.9% of players dont dump ROMS and back up there games. This is about digital (bought on an online store front) vs a Physical copy.
@iVirtualPlays It takes a long ass time for cartridge and CD to rot. Stop thinking it happens in a few years... That's called taking care of your shit.
TLDR: Digital Media is being pushed by companies in an effort to cut costs going forward. If anything physical media is being pushed towards death by companies who want to be rid of the distribution model they’ve been supporting for many years. Cutting costs and making more money is what they want. Collecting will be reserved for older consoles, and “retro” gaming in the future. Companies like Limited Run Games will always be around to put out Physical Copies of games for those that want them.
I also think that they have been looking to control the used games market for years. It really annoys them that they can’t get a second cut so digital massively controls that.
Mr Pepperami I got distracted while writing my comment haha, I meant to touch on that as well. VERY GOOD POINT! Why make money once, when can make money on EVERYONE who buys your game and not just the original physical purchases.
I think it's really myopic to place blame on companies. There are clear, obvious advantages to publishing games digitally. It's really just like kinsie said, think of all the indie devs who can publish games now, how many more people can access games that can't travel to a store, etc. To deny that you are just sticking to your own biases and being stubborn.
@@TheCHRILLCAST I think there are laws against that? Like if I buy a used Toyota the car manufacturer doesn't get a cut. I hope they don't find some way around that.
if you want to resell a game, or am thinking that you may want to do it in the future, in what way did you even care about the game in the first place?
@@bellamyblake6908 Depends... I had a physical collection that someone was dying to buy... I sold about 2000 games and he offered me 15k. I accepted. It depends if you find a buyer that really want your shit.
@@mcstyle24 True kids whos first console is the PS4/switch/xb1 will not care about physical, we are still ten years out from those kids being young adults, thats when physical is doomed. Being mostly a PC gamer I've already seen this happen, so it wont be anything new to PC players.
@@retrodarkgamer420 Sure, but maybe you're just an exception. The numbers speak for themselves. Sales data shows the ratio of digital to physical sales increasing year over year. That ratio will eventually plateau, and it won't be 1:0 for digital, but physical will definitely diminish into a niche market once the kids who are growing up on digital become a more dominant force in the market.
@shooter4hire shooter4hire I have only 9 PS3 games, because that's how many games for the system actually interested me. : / I find fewer and fewer games I actually care about these days. Don't even have a newer console.
I love everyone's views on this. I agree with the indie game logic. As a indie developer it is a ton easier to get our game out via digital because boxing and printing is very expensive as well as distribution. We grew up with physical copies and love them but digital will grow with time. We also are creating arcade games which people tell us are out of date but they end up so cool and have so much nostalgia.
@Joe Blow I totally understand that. I'm the same way, I would much rather buy a physical copy myself if I can. Just something about a tangible item. That's why we converted to arcade cabinets rather then releasing this game to digital.
One of my limey friends is low on cash and is selling off some of his possessions. I asked him how much his ps4 games could get him. He said they are all digital so I can't resell any of them. And that is why I always buy physical when able. You are stuck with a 60 dollar game you cannot sell to someone else.
Cthulhu Has Risen Not if you live in France since the law actually was on the players side for once thanks to an association protecting consumers rights who made possible the reselling of digital games which is a very good news because in a few months from now, it might probably spread to other countries like wildfire and eventually reach your place. The only problem would be for indie devs who don't earn that much to begin with (unless they sign with the devil namely the Epic store). If the money circulates mainly between players, most of them will never enjoy the sales making it harder for the small companies to stay afloat. There's a way to prevent that by making sure they get a percentage on each sales but this part wasn't mentioned anywhere and it feels like I'm the only one who got that idea... In the end it's good and not so good, only time will tell how things will turn out.
I think that's the big thing for me as well. When it comes to small arcade titles and indie games, sure go digital and get the box if you love the game and if it does in fact come out, but the big titles that go for $60, I don't see the point of ever buying the digital copy. It costs the same and you can't resell it. Plus the digital version takes up a good amount of hard drive space on the AAA titles. Then again some of these titles are still installing up to 100 GB to play even from the disc so I don't know how much that differs. Either way there's no major downside to owning a boxed copy of a game unless you either don't like the clutter or don't have the space.
@@poopeater5678 um i got ps3 ps4 and xbox one and 360 all my digitals work fine and got digital games on steam gog and epic game store all digitall work fine so ur full of shit ur just another game hoarder collector than cant accept digital is future and physical is th epast
When it becomes mostly digital, it'll be interesting to see how I will consume games. Currently, I find myself putting more time and commitment to games that I buy physically, whereas I often will play a digital game for one sitting and often not return to it. I don't know why this is, but I definitely prioritize playing my physical games.
Any physical games that doesn’t require an update is collectible - if it needs an update and installation on the console - it’s pretty much a digital game.
I go for physical only unless the only option is digital I believe they will release games on carts because carts have caught up to modern times to store a ton of data
@@leecroft1983 For my part, to be honest, there aren't all that many digital-only indie games that I'm interested in. It's very rare for games to forego a physical release out of choice (Jonathan Blow's pigheadedness regarding The Witness notwithstanding) and if a game is unable to secure any kind of physical release (even a limited print like LRG or SRG), there's usually a reason for it. Sift through actual digital-only titles on PSN or the Switch eShop and you tend to find that 95% of it is tacky F2P crap or outright shovelware. It is INCREDIBLY rare for me to see a game that is digital-only and to want it that badly to be tempted to buy it digitally. Last example I could think of was Hellblade, and as we know, the wait paid off there.
But if you buy it digital it's still yours. There are 2 different types of digital. One where the company can shut down and you can't play and one where you download it and play it anytime
I watched the whole video, but Kelsey nailed it in the first 2 minutes and the rest of the crew took it home. I will be sad to see physical go, but that won't stop me from gaming. PC gaming has been digital for years for the most part, and I still buy digital PC games. We will always have old games, records, vhs and comics to keep collecting alive, just very little new. I think by the end of this next console generation, PS5 and Scarlett, digital sales will have surpassed physical by a good margin.
For me there are two basic things that have to exist concerning digital media: 1. It has to be cheaper compared to physical copies; 2. You must have the option to transfer it to a physical storage device (a dvd or something like that), provided you cant do that to donate/sell multiple copies of the game, but only to prevent losing your game. In order to do that, the companies could develop a system: if a digital game is about to be discontinued, you, the owner of the download code, are allowed to make one copy of it for a period of time.
I buy a ton more digital now than I used to. I still like physical more, but I don't have the time revisit newer games after I finish them anyway...even games I love like Bloodborne. One, and done.
@@galacticbattleground8290 I noticed that too... Way back I installed many games 2-3-4 times. Maybe it's because I have excess to so many games. Back in the day I had 2 or most 3 games a year
MJR this is a very complicated theme. it has a lot of gray areas, i wish this would be black and white but its not and never will be. i prefer physical media over digital. we dont control what companies do over digital media. if they want they can shut the servers down, remove the game because of licenses issues like we already saw before, and us gamers wil always be harmed by this practices. for example xbox live arcade, TMNT got removed and everybody that had the game couldnt play it anymore, but theres more cases. they must change the type of contracto. if the small letters change the digital media is a way gamers have a license to use the game to gamers own the game. i think this brings a lot of discussion to the table
Game Pause Yeah, you're right, I've been screaming about this very topic in my comments. Physical is better for gamers but digital is more convenient for those control freak companies (they spend less and can they can do whatever they want since the law is pretty vague right now on new technologies). When we reach the point only digital game gets released, that's when I'll stop playing "modern" games completely. Who in his right mind would want a world with only Stadia and some bs plateformes having controls over their lives, knowing every single detail about our lives (when we play, how often we play, how much we spend, where we live, the list of our friends, families and so on). Ownership and privacy, these are the things I would never agree to lose just for the right to play a "good" game. Fear of missing out or fomo isn't for me, I'm way beyond that.
@montana Ten gamers must start doing something about it because if digital is the future, then we will have no games to play when companies decide they will no longer support that game, if a game fails it will have a shorter life and so on. we cant stand by and watch these companies do whatever they want
I agree with Kelsey's assessment (as long as there's a minimum demand, there will be sales and products made), though it is worth noting Kinsey's explanation hits on something actually a little foreboding - especially concerning DRM, where it's going to be up to the pirate communities to preserve the data, especially as companies go under (this is how a lot of these older games are preserved to this day - so it's there, just not always the easiest for people to obtain/use). Sites like GoG, as you mentioned, is an exceptional, legitimate, tool for maintaining this - though as a service, it can always go under, and be unable to be accessed afterwards. It is worth noting, that most of these views are still looking at "current gen" and even "next gen" - I wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 generations we legitimately see systems on the console side that are unable to read physical media (the PC market has gone much the same way, but we still have data ingress through USB for makeshift physical media there - this would likely be blocked off outside of modding for consoles to push marketplace sales) The digital transition is why I am slightly torn on the lawsuit vs Steam in France - overall, I think it's bad for the single-player game ecosystem, especially if it's handled with a hamfist approach - BUT pushing the "resale" of digital goods could influence the presence of physical media and value-add via the physical media. The actual BIGGER concern for me on the original subject of digital transition though, isn't digital or physical, but rather the growing presence of "Always Online DRM" that is riding on the coat-tails of the digital push - since they like to use the concept of "if you can download the game, it can check in with our servers" - so what happens to PC versions of Diablo 3, or what looks like ALL versions of Diablo 4 when blizzard shuts down?
Piracy needs to come back for the next gen of consoles, i'm not buying digital games for a higher price than a physical. I buy 95% of games used and expect to be able to do that for many years to come or i'll simply stop playing the new shit poisoned by loot boxes and in game currencies. Got a back log of games to last literally a life time, don't need much of the new shit anyway, it's all a money grab.
Sterling20073 You're just like me man, that's exactly what I said earlier. I'm glad there are still people like us who can think for themselves instead of being sheeps following the trends as they come and go.
@@Heroinedown Good to hear, yeah people are sheep. Nintendo puts a pay wall up and majority of Nintendo customers happily hand over the money like idiots. As a kid when i thought of games in the future I didn't think of being charged for extra shit in the game
Great comments! Kelsey does sum it up nicely. One note, I have the same mic and the manual claims that you should not tilt it like this (speak into the side, not the top). Saw that last time already and thought I mention it.
Oh, I forgot to mention one of the only reasons I love digital is so I can play games that are ridiculously priced like Super Turrican 2, Pocky and Rocky 2, etc. I don't have to pay 200+ dollars to own it.
Kinsey brought up an interesting point about collecting being rooted in nostalgia and I have a feeling this is exactly what's going to cause a bit of a blowback for digital a few years from now. We're already seeing a bit of discontent with some of the games from XBLIG being irrevocably lost (many did get PC ports, which mitigated this somewhat). The thing is, we haven't had a major shutdown of a digital storefront yet. The PSP's digital back catalogue is still playable on the Vita, much of the 360's is still playable on the XO. However, the first major loss is likely to be PS3 digital titles and licensed titles, especially many games that have never seen a physical release and are unlikely to ever see ports: Scott Pilgrim, Super Rub-A-Dub, House of the Dead 4, Motorstorm RC, some of the PixelJunk games, inFamous: Festival of Blood, Söldner-X: Himmelsstürmer and more. People simply aren't appreciating that their digital libraries aren't going to exist in perpetuity. Even on PC, where Steam libraries are designed to exist across multiple generations of hardware, people forget that Steam only supports the most recent versions of Windows, and games that later depend on specific versions of Windows to run will be left in the dark.
@@clintosfan I am indeed. Remains to be seen if there'll be a physical release though. If they haven't, then they clearly haven't learned from the fiasco.
@@jamyskis considering the notoriety of the game being de-listed I'm sure people would go crazy for the physical release, I'm would be surprised if they didn't make one
I can’t ignore the rise of digital gaming, but that doesn’t stop me from surfing eBay, and hitting resale stores, collecting physical copies for games.
I like physical media because after beating a game i can trade that game in and put it towards another game so I don't spend the whole amount and therefore I save some money.
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I love digital games. Some of my favorite games of the past few years are only digital, with some getting a physical release via Limited Run. I always prefer physical, but I see digital being used to archive games. The preservation of games is so important to me.
I am convinced by now that only physical media can preserve and archive games, especially after realising that GOG deletes games. All those download services or servers will be down at some point in history, and these companies only think about temporarily making some money on modern PCs. They do not preserve anything imo. Best preservation for games are only nerd collectors themselves, who do care about the games and preserve the games completely, that is with manuals, printmedia, fat boxes, artwork, maps, etc.
At one point it will be a question of performance. A digital game running from SSD is faster than any current media format. *So I expect Gen10 to be the first digital only generation!* And as a collector I kind of like that because 1) I am running out of space for my physical games 2) if there is a final number on collectable games I might get a collection that I can state "complete" 3) I can finally catch up with my backlog because digital only is not very interesting for me and I will not get into much of that gaming anyways
I'm probably a minority here but I'm personally done with having a massive collection of games. Two-ish bookshelves is enough for me these days. There's a sense of freedom from not having loads of stuff around you.
Dude... im in your camp. In my home i have a room that well looks like their rooms. Shelf on shelf in shelf of dvds and games and collectibles. But whats the point... im scared to open and play these games so im just hoarding them.
Shadowrun Until your hard drive crashes and you lose everything in one go, awesomely convenient (some games get taken out of stores after a while and you can't get them again even though you "owned" them like Scott Pilgrim game or Chaos rings and many more). You have to think really hard about every possible problems before making that kind of statement. It's not just a storage problem but the real digital game problems are "ownership" (you lose your ownership rights in the name of easy access).
Especially when you have to move house/apartment, that's when people realize just how much junk they have, and for gamers they usually just sell most of their games off, rather than carry all that stuff around to a new place.
Obviously it's a matter of preference and everyone is different but I agree with you on that. I went to help out my father-in-law with some house repairs on the weekend and had to look in his garage for tools and I couldn't believe the amount of stuff they had accumulated over the years it was madness. I found a box full of tiny cassettes from an answer machine which were adorable though. I never want to get into that situation myself. One day I'm going to have to help get rid of all that stuff which will be interesting but a massive task no doubt.
Larry Microsoft already tried this crap and it didn't end up well for them... Shit, they even tried the permanent online gaming and went so far as to try to annihilate the second hand market (with that one time only code) and every time it backfired on them. With the Scarlet, I'm pretty sure they are already scheming something shitty for their loyal consumers but most people have a bad memory.
I'm iffy about digital versions since I was hacked and lost all of my games in one go. I love getting physical game because I know I have them unless, you know, I get robbed or something. I've slowly started to get back into digital. Fingers crossed that I don't lose them again.
People have been asking this question for years and years. Trust me...you’re fine. As a matter a fact, Blu-ray and 4K sales are up more then they ever been, vinyl is bigger then it’s ever been and even cd sales have jumped in resent research. It’s going to be fine...
I really like listening to Kinsey talk about games. She comes across with so much positivity and her bubbly personality really adds to the MJR crew. We need to see more Kinsey please :D
Good question and of course it will go digital. More likly steaming. This is very sad but its going to happen. I just hope companies like Nintendo see that there is a market and keeps game on the new Switch style small memory style carts.
@GamingTV good point. I think digital and physical should continue to coexist for a long time, that way the world has a choice. You can get your digital copy, and I can get my disc of the same game, and everyone wins!
What I'm most worried about is, if say 25 years from now psn, Xbox live, steam, etc permanently go down we are just going to lose all our digital games, my steam library scares me the most because pc gaming is mostly digital.
I can see the appeal of archiving games and taking less space at home and shit. And as the future goes, digital sadly is it since everybody is pushing it to death. However, once gaming goes digital only, then thats it for me and i go full-retro-mode, period. I like to actually own what i buy, be able to look at and touch it. I cant do anything like that with digital at all, so screw that. For me, value in collecting is not necessarily nostalgia like John said, its me loving to actually own what i bought. I dont get that sense of owning it with digital at all. But Reggie is right on the thing he mentioned there: Digital should be cheaper than physical at all times and yet its the same price. So basically, we (physical) get more out of it than the people that prefer digital...............and for some reason they dont get that. Weird that only a very small minority seems to get it like Reggie. Besides, talking about rotting and whatnot...............sure, it can happen but its very very rare and since the 5th gen, its almost non-existent. I own certain games for 20-30 years, they still work like on the first day. If you cant take care of your media, then thats on you (which doesnt eliminate the possibility BUT it scales it down big time to almost 0).
Excellent points! Another huge negative of going digital is that many games over time get removed from online stores, meaning if you deleted some games due to space and can't redownload them it then raises the bigger (and legal) question of what happens to all that money spent? Many people do not look at stuff like this. Sure we could look at things more deeply like "money shouldn't be an object and it shouldn't control you" but when anyone purchases something they should own every right to use it for as long as they want to own it. There's a reason why people pour money to this medium and that's because we love it. It shouldn't be stripped away simply because it costs a company less to release them digitally. Hell, we're more than willing to throw our money if it means we can physically own them.
agreed they can stick those downloads in their ass. if I ened to download they are better free and if not I turn to piracy I refuse to pay for something I dont actualy own
as a cd collector who loves to collect hundreds of cds, ultimately physical media will be a more nostalgic thing and digital will become the future, the question is not if but when will it become the primary form of media. but ultimately there will still be stores and markets who do cater to those who do prefer those who like physical releases like i do with music cds
It’ll still be around in one way or another but the bulk of it will be all digital moving forward. Hell, stores still sell CD’s and tapes of all things are making a comeback. Also god bless John Riggs
Great question and fascinating to hear everyone's thoughts on this. I believe that the answer is as simple as; physical media will last as long as we want it too. There is still a market for physical music media for those who want to own it, and so games will be the same. Support games in all formats so they can continue to grow with future generations. The best will be enshrined in multiple formats both physical and digital and whatever else comes next!
I think the most important question is about control. Overall, with the physical media you have more control: you can buy, store (archive), lend and even sell the game in the future. With digital and cloud based gaming business model, you buy from a webstore and download the content. You can't know how long the game will still be avaiable. Maybe in 10 years you won't find the game anywhere. From the point of collectors, this is a big problem. But digital is good for storage and conservation if you have full control: backing up old tapes/disks/cds/dvds/blu-ray and having access of a backward hardware to play what is stored. Thus, you can collect like that, with the content always with you.
Everytime someone say "x is dying" you have to change to "x is going niche", nothing really dies that quickly...but something that nobody said on the video and I think already is beggining to exist is a bigger focus on hardware, we already have a number of people collecting old iphones to be able to play older ios games or ps3 with pt installed. The next generation of game collecting will probably look way more like what old pc collecting is today than console collecting
Totally agree with Kelsey's comparison to music, where this situation is most profound. A few years ago, you could imagine a spectrum from premium analogue media to digital: Vinyl - CDs - Downloads. Now that CDs have fallen away, both vinyl and downloads/streaming have become more popular, with each side grabbing the attention of a chunk of the former CD market. There is a very solid divide between the two, and the kinds of consumers. Physical media won't disappear, but digital will be the majority.
They'll keep physical games for a few more decades but once all the gen x and millennials die out I don't think the gen z people and younger will care if digital completely takes over.
Metal Jesus (Do you know of the song heavy metal jesus btw?) that Shirt is fire, where can i get one? and btw a friendly reminder your best splitscreen multiplayer games, co-op or versus doesn't matter for various retro consoles would be of great help for us (me & a couple of buddies) that just want nice splitscreen games for casual game opportunities. Nes/Snes/N64/Gamecube/Ps1/Ps2 etc! Thanks
Kelsey has a very interesting point about HOW cheep it is for dev's to produce games. But I want my physical media! I'm a millennial and all I like is physical media! But that is my own opinion
Has anyone noticed how Kinsey is always wearing the same type of dress with images of either planets rotating around the sun, maps of the earth or in this case star maps? She seems to be well aware of her girth.
Every time I see someone using a Blue Yeti incorrectly (Kelsey), I have to point it out. :) The Yeti is a side-address microphone. You don't point it at your mouth; rather, you speak perpendicular to it. Great video as always!
Thank you! It was bugging the hell out of me. I didn't feel like being "that guy" since we hear her just fine anyway, but since you brought it up I thought I'd second it. It's even a big "DO THIS, NOT THIS" illustration right on the box and still people do it wrong. It... it bugs me... more than I thought it would.
Other thing is that almost every game released nowadays is broken and needs to be patched. When you look from this perspective, collecting physical releases ended with ps2 era.
To find the answer to this question, you can looks at books, magazines and music. Sure, a lot of them are digital but you can also find them in a physical formats pretty much everywhere. The future is digital, but we are not quite in the future yet.
@@HunteronX Oh yeah, and those consoles will be registered to someone else because the Digital Rights Management won't allow you to sign them off and sign yourself in.
@@dav786 That's when GOG Connect (as limited as it is) can be a real lifesaver! Although I prefer GOG in every way, I wish it had access to a wider library.
The fact is, in a matter of time all physical media will require download patches. On the other end digital games will be more permanent than physical. It will evolve to the point where if you buy something digitally you will always be able to access it even on future systems. Digital will be the new physical.
And this guy is completely forgetting about licensed games and characters. After the contract is expired, even if the company wants to keep that content available, they can't.
@@poopeater5678 yes! A good example of this is Crazy Taxi! I have my original release PlayStation 2 version, and I get to deliver my customers to Pizza Hut, Tower Records, KFC, Levi's store, FILA store, etc.(Same with arcade, Dreamcast, GameCube, and Xbox original) These licenses went away for the digital rerelease, and it dramatically changed the game, and I now deliver customers to "Pizza Parlor".
Heroinedown that’s my point. In the future, digital games won’t “get removed” like PT. In the future they’ll find ways to make your purchase permanent.
Issue with digital is your account can get hacked, banned or you lose your password. If that happens to you, say goodbye to everything you accumulate. This is why I prefer ways to own that digital content so I can transfer the games from one device to another without any restriction. Sadly company wants to limit that and this is where I see a huge disconnect.
Ownership is going to go away. When cloud is perfected (10-20 years from now unless tech finds something better) everything will move towards subscriptions. No more downloading or installing at all and the companies will use IP protection as their base excuse. I remember when Steam first started and companies were pushing digital stating since they don’t have to print manuals, CD/DVDs, cases, we would all save money. Bunch of liars. Digital games still same full price as physical and more thanks to deluxe/gold editions, etc.
Sorry Metal Jesus. I've been away for a minute. I didn't notice that you finally got your basement put back together, after the flooding damage. It looks sublime, dude. The ultimate gaming cave!
I think you could take away the fear of digitization from most gamers if there would be a legitimate way to archive digital games yourself, either on a disc or digitally on an HDD. that would erase the fear of being able to lose them and I'm talking about seperate backups for each single game of course with the installed patches and DLC's, of course with an security mechanism to avoid piracy, somehow bond it with your account, console's MAC adress or so. That's at least my reqiurement to be ready to kiss physical games goodbye, because I never ever sold one of my games and also don't care about a packaging. Great Video, great people, great opinions!
For consoles I agree physical, but in the pc market I have to go with digital unless we are talking about drm free version like how GOG runs their store.
I think what will happen is that either game manufacturers or console manufacturers will give you two options. One option is that you can download a digital copy of the game or Two, you can subscribe to their channel and have a choice to play a vast majority of games without owning them. Kind of like renting when we did from Blockbuster except it is digitally done.
If you bought digital game, they will store at heaven. So later on if you die and you still can play them compare to physical. But make sure you're not in hell.
It's really the same argument that can be applied to any form of media. I am a photographer who shoots mostly Polaroids and film, and currently in the photography world we are seeing an increase in interest of film-based photography rather than a decrease, to the point that companies such as Ilford and Lomography (among many others) are putting out new types of film all the time. There is a recognition that having physical copies of our work feels inherently better than it being all-digital. I believe this is partly due to human nature; human beings, from the beginning of time, have enjoyed having "stuff." You see examples of this in art history dating back to pre-historic times. We, as people, tend to enjoy collecting things because we are, at our core, hunter-gatherers, no matter how much we try to deny it. To me, it's the same thing with games -- it just doesn't feel as good to have digital copies of everything as it does to be able to hold a physical copy in our hands, especially for those of us who grew up being used to EVERYTHING being physical. Digital is most definitely the future, there is no denying that; as much as I enjoy having physical copies of games so that I'm not juggling SD cards trying to figure out which game is backed up onto which card and so that I can look at the cool box art from time to time, I can't deny that there is a level of convenience in having a few games on my Switch, etc. that are just THERE every time I pick up the system. However, as we've already seen with the Wii shop, buying digital isn't a lifetime guarantee of having the game, whereas buying physical, barring the cart breaking, etc., ensures that you will have a copy of the game at your disposal forever. I agree with Kinsey; a lot of collecting, especially when it comes to games, comes down to nostalgia, so what happens when the people who grew up in the "physical age" aren't around to collect anymore? I also agree with Kelsey's point, though, that the niche market for physical copies will probably exist for a long time to come, and with that could come some really cool packaging and other features geared specifically toward collectors.
I’ll never stop buying physical games!!
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This was sad to watch in almost every way. Reggie was the only one to have any sense.
You won't see the physical market disapear. Its a trash prediction based on fear and a lack of understanding of how markets really work. Nobody thinks physical media will disapear that has any inside information of the games industry.
Inside gaming knows Stadia is trash, next gen consoles will have a drive of some kind to take physical media. There are reasons for this: you do not alienate a large group of your target market, even at 20% that is too much loss of profit.
Glenn Hanlon i agree there’s still a huge market for physical games at least for console. It’s a bit different if we’re talking about pc but i don’t see physical games going away in the near future like most people seem to
You just cant beat owning a physical copy of a game. Having my games on a shelf instead of some server somewhere makes me feel happy.
Same here.
what about using the backup utility and putting that hard drive on your shelf. no one can take that away :)
It's not the same. I like having a case with the artwork etc. Going to local games stores and picking up new releases and hunting for some bargains is what it's all about for me. Guess I'm old school.
Hard Drive on the shelf? With all due respect, that's like instead of having a real poster on the wall using USB storage devices with JPEG "wallpaper" files. Furthermore digital feels like having books on the shelf without the cover/artwork. Remember, digital is soulless, interchangable, forgettable, and above all it's simply worthless, cuz cannot be sold, given as present, displayed etc.
And I don't like it.
My main concern is access. I don't buy games to look at, the true art is in the data. I still buy physical but some things are digital only, and the only way to be sure i can still play those in the future is to make a system backup. They can delist it from the store, they can ban my account, the networks can go down, but ill still have my system backup on my shelf :)
Kinsey hit the nail on the head. I owned the Mortal Kombat arcade collection for PS3. I deleted it for space, and when I go to re-download it, it's no longer available. Not cool. I paid for that crap.
Same
Wow. I still have it but thought about deleting it for space. Thanks for the heads up. Sorry for your loss.
Which makes me glad I bought them on gog, they're the DOS versions, but the CD versions of 1 and 3 are REALLY damned close to the arcade anyway. If 2 had the arcade's music rather than MIDI it'd be damn near spot on too.
it surprises me that companies found this to be a fair practice and we're still accepting as normal. we're going more for digital, alright, but this has to change. there's no discussion about it
What? I didn't know about this. I'm going to check to see if I still have it.
Reggie brought up the best point. Needs to be a price difference between digital and physical.
Bonk There is, the digital version of most games on ps4 or 3DS is more expansive than its physical release. If there is no more physical release in the future, gaming might end up being more expansive for less content in the end (which is not normal, it should be the other way around since companies are saving money, right?). It's greedy companies we're talking about, not mindful ones.
@@Heroinedown I would agree especially when you factor games that have been released for a while. From my observation, older games see greater depreciation in physical and even more so when used but digital games such as on the playstation store depreciate at a much slower rate - for example in the UK i get download titanfall 2 from the ps store for £17.99 or i can buy it new physical for £7.99 or final fantasy xv royal edition on ps store for £39.99 or new physical in GAME stores for £27.99
There is a price difference! Lately new releases in Australia can be bought for $30 cheaper physically than on the PS Store haha
@@JimsGameRoom would be a no brainer for me .... Mean shit man ;-)
Thing about it though is they kind of need to keep the prices about the same to create a sustainable base for both physical and digital. If they made the digital games cheaper then that would force the price of physical to come down with people coming in with that “I can get it cheaper on amazon” mentality. At retail new games already don’t have huge profit margins. And the games themselves are already relatively low priced considering how much more expensive game development has become, for the publishers what they are losing keeping prices where they are can be made up by the higher profit margins they make on digital. That keeps both sides in business.
If a game has a physical release, I'll buy that over the digital almost 100% of the time. I hate the idea that I can lose access to a game I spent money on because the license is revoked or the providing company goes away; Steam is the most obvious example of this, and while it may seem inconceivable that Valve will ever shut its doors, I don't think it's actually terribly unlikely. If a game isn't available physically but it's on both Steam and GOG, I'll get it on GOG and save the installation exe in several other places in case GOG ever shuts its doors as well. Having to take all these contingencies is a hassle, though; the simplest solution is just to buy the physical version if there is one.
The bigger problem with physical releases is games where it's a physical release in name only; the disc is literally just a boot disc that initiates a download of the actual game from the servers, so the game is unplayable without an internet connection and active servers. That's inexcusable, to be honest, and any time I get a game that does that, it makes me want to stop buying games from that publisher altogether.
The only real exception is when a digital version of a game is for sale at an enormous discount, and it's a game that I don't think I'd be heartbroken to lose access to.
I think you're confusing digital with stream licensing. I don't agree with the trend of games on streaming services, but as long as I can access my game off the grid with an offline system and store it in my own personal space, I think it circumvents this issue.
@@jokatech With GOG, that's a legitimate process. But with Steam, you have to install the game through their client. What happens if Steam goes away, your old computer dies, and the client is no longer available? Even if the installation .exe for the Steam client was still being passed around, without Valve's servers being up, you can no longer install your games. THAT's my issue. Streaming games is a whole other kettle of fish, but equally a disaster.
@@doomplaysagame I wonder if this website might have the steem client in the future.
www.oldversion.com
On PS4 Downloads no Games if i put the Blu-ray in the Disk Drive!! It will Download only the Patches! The Console plays the Disk Games complete offline,the Download Games Not!! these Games need a copy Key from Sony to play It! No Internet no Gaming!!
@@pokingjoe It's a bunch of bull, honestly, and the fact that developers get away with it is absurd.
If physical media ends so will my support of the modern gaming industry.
@GamingTV it's okay. At least down the generation when my grandkids and great grandkids, they would be able to see what physical games looks like. It would be old antiques but it's a value to see a gameroom full of games then just an almost empty room with a pc and monitor.
Right there with you!
Bullshit you are so full of it
GamingTV and where exactly are you getting that information from? What kind of source or statistics are you basing that off of?
@GamingTV What kind of clown are you? Never mind we all figured it out. ;)
With how bad australian Internet speeds are i don't even want to imagine having to try and download a full game. The world is seriously not adapted enough for a complete digital era.
I can see it work in a handful countries (mostly in northern europe, and southeast asia) both because we don't have data caps and since pretty much anyone can get high speed internet. But on a large scale worldwide it's several years until it can work in most places
Same here in rural ireland.
Argentina too
48 down and 21 up? BF5 takes around 3 hours for 80 gig. I redownload the full game when an update comes out. Stops all the bloat ware.
yes it is korea and asia has terabyte speed internet usa has giga byte speeds now how about u get decent job and learn afford top tier speeds like rest of us i can download destiny 2 with all exspansions with in an hour and eso with all exspansions in same time as well yall collectors just need move on with future or get left in dust look at gog.com the epic lastore launcher the e shop for switch xbox store for xbox one ps plus games for ps4 steam for pc as well digital era is here only u retro gamers are complaining i dont see any xbox one or ps4 users complaining and all my freinds i play with prefer digital and want gamestop to go out buisness with all there preorder and day 1 dlc bullshit scams cant wait for them to go under not to mention all law suits gamestop has against them for all data leaks of customer credit cards information for past 13-15 years so yah get mad at me i dont care gamestop can go under for rest my life and id be happpy as fuck digital is future not physical...
All I can say is: thank goodness for pirates. They're breaking copyright laws, yes, but in the process they're archiving games that publishers don't/won't care to make available for legal purchase... or even acknowledge.
You can't pay a reasonable fee to play Panzer Dragoon Saga (one of the most expensive used games of all time), and since Sega lost the source code, you will probably never again have the legal option. Only piracy and emulation make the game accessible to the vast majority of players. The same is true of BS Legend of Zelda: Ancient Stone Tablets. Pirates and hackers recreated the game by searching for serendipitous ROM dumps, looking at video recordings of gameplay, and translating the text over the course of years, and now we can all experience this strange piece of the Zelda franchise history. Nintendo could release it for download and make a tidy sum from it, but either they don't have the files anymore or they don't care about it. And a more recent example is DuckTales Remastered. What does it cost them to leave a file up on a server for purchase? Could that cost possibly be more than the average monthly digital sales of the game? I doubt it. But now you have to find an increasingly rare physical copy or you don't get to purchase/play it because you didn't get it within a narrow and unannounced window of digital sale.
Pirates have the wrong motivations, perhaps, but they incidentally perform an important service for all of us.
How the hell did Sega lose the source code to Panzer Dragoon Saga? HOW? HOW?
isnt that the game on the xbox store?
I thought DuckTales Remastered went down because they lost the license, not because they couldn't afford to keep it on the server. I agree with everything else you said, though.
@@devonvelasquez5080 Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for correcting me!
@@Louis-wp3fq You have it completely wrong. Pirates who release ROMS and emulators are doing it for the sole reason of preservation. Pirates who release modern games on the other hand are not. There is a big difference between the two.
Not interested in digital. When physical disappears I'll replay my old games and buy used.
Absolutely. There are more physical games out there than one can play in a lifetime.
thumbs up for john riggs getting a massage underneath a UFO
seeing john getting a massage while making a video is priceless lol
You can't un-see it LOL ;)
#physical
It was a physical massage. That dude's elbow... still feeling it.
JohnRiggs haha! awsome man. who says you can’t mix pleasure with work. even though it might not be for pleasure.. lol
@NPC #34254334 Response: Doesn't matter, you're just an NPC anyways.
The way modern gaming is going, I don't even care. I have more than enough retro games on physical to last me the rest of my life, and even then I doubt that I'll play everything I have. I refuse to play these disgustingly monetized modern games. I feel for the future generation of gamers though. They won't realize what they missed out on.
If you don't buy loot boxes you will be flogged in front of your peers. Spend hundreds trying to find the one skin you NEED. Do it before they shut down the server. Hurry!
TheRosswise Exactly what I have been saying, modern games (some of them) lack a soul, the type you can only find in indie games. I know I won't be playing all of my games either but I don't mind, at least they are my property and no game company can unplug the servers and leave me hanging for buying a product that would disappear once they consider it is no longer making enough money. They are gaming museums so I wouldn't worry too much about the next gen of players.
Anyone remember "Ready Player One"? If current crap in the gaming industry gets even worse, there is a possibility that could be the future of gaming.
Retro games were modern when they game out, and modern games will be retro, i understand where you are coming from, but you just sound broke lol
I’m in the physical minority. I still buy blu Ray and 4K discs too.
I’m not into digital games or movies unless its backup only.
Too me, digital means I’m renting them and hoping they don’t get ultimately removed.
On something portable like a Switch I can see the benefits of digital. But do I really ‘own’ the games ?
SpazTek Warrior Thank god someone understands me but we shouldn't see ourselves as a minority because it feels like an inferiority complex taking over. Plus I know a lot of people who'd rather own a game than having it in a virtual store in the cloud until that cloud gets pirated or broken and those games disappear purely and simply (or the company simply decides to remove access from the store and "owners" of that game get screwed and can't ask for a refund because there's no law covering them). There's a huge gap in the digital department law making it easier to abuse the system with bad practices without being illegal, you can be sure companies are gonna do it (Bethesda is good example but fortunately for some Australians, they have the law on their side).
You’re right, but they don’t care. If you want Pokémon, and the ONLY option is to pay for a digital license for your one device... guess what, you’re probably paying
The same here. Not to mention, that Blueray Movies always look way better than the streaming version. I remember the first time I saw the streaming version of Avenvers on Netflix; I was like "Am I crazy?" "My Blueray version looks better" and yup, after switching it It was confirmed.
As for games, I like being able to resell the ones I end not liking and actually owning them.
In a weird way, I feel like Blu-Ray is actually becoming the more convenient way to buy films because of all the different streaming services there are now. Might be better in the US since I know different regions have different content but I feel like every time I want to watch something its not on Netflix and it's not on Amazon. So I'll google it and there will be some other streaming service I don't have and rather than have that taking £8 a month from me I'll just think "fuck it" and get the Blu-Ray for £5 or less on eBay. Most Blu-Rays seem really cheap right now, it's only really the special editions like what Arrow release that are expensive. Been doing this for a while and at this point, my film shelf is looking better than any of the streaming services I'm subscribed to.
I find digital good. But only if you can download the game so that there can no license be lost.
So that you own the game in your hard-drive.
I'll always support physical media. Games, movies music. The only time i buy digital is if I have to (digital only games).
undone14 Don't forget the major sales, you don't get those on physical games. And without noticing it, you'll have more digital games than physical ones, it happened to most people I know (even to me).
I never have to buy digital. If that’s all that is available, I don’t need it.
Torrent digital only media
I remember when they said that the iPad was going to kill books (and libraries and bookstores). 10 years later we still have plenty of books being published and digital books never really took off the way they speculated. I think the same will happen with videogames. People still want to own their media.
Man was that really said when the iPad got released,that's super interesting and yes i still go too the library and Barnes and Nobles
lol john rigs giving his take in a massage table
Seeing this comment before getting to that part is kind of hilarious ngl
Is drunken master Paul trying to be funny? Nothing cool about poison.
Kelsey summed it up best, if someone's willing to buy it, there's a market.
Zach South Absolutely
They should have put her video last because she answered the question best within the first two minutes of this video.
Whatever they do, gamers will adapt or die inside.
She nailed it 100%. I totally agree
True! It still blows my mind how anyone would want to pay around £90 for a premium edition of a digital game though or saying that buy from a company like Amazon that has payed less tax to the UK government than Ed Sheeran in previous years.😂 As a whole we don’t demand anything as consumers anymore it’s really sad, we even buy cardboard from Nintendo and buy a title where we have to make the game ourselves (super mario maker). Just wait for the price to go down in shops dudes! Haha I am going a little off topic here 😂
you do not own digital games, just a license till it is revoked. what a HUGE scam.
The term is wrong as well. Games on disc and cart are digital we need to call what they are media-less rentals
@@goosebuffz You OWN games on disc and cartridge. You can do whatever you want with it... If the service where you downloaded the games shut down, you better kiss your games bye bye.
@@GameDjeenie Sorry I think you've missed what am saying, The game is digital regardless of the format disc, cartridge or download. What is pissing me off is the term digital games used for downloads only (like they're cool or something).
"You OWN games on disc and cartridge" the trouble now is the game missing from the actual disc e.g. THPS5, Spyro Trilogy this is the issue that really needs addressing.
On the plus side I have no moral objections to pirating download only / incomplete games
There is problems with ps4 discs...some games won't work without online
but still. you can sell physical, cant resell digital copy unless that became a thing (I hope it does)
I also like having discs because i hate waiting for game to download. having disc cuts the time to install.
goosebuffz I’m not sure if you know this, but there was a reprint of the Spyro trilogy, where all 3 games (complete.) are on one disc no update required.
There problem where activison is so cheap and greedy, they never bothered to make this announcement, so if you bought a new copy and it came with the CTR:NF slip ad, and if the disc had 2019 on it! It’s the complete version.
Too many peoples say there is nothing we can do. We don't buy and support digital. Of course publishers are pushing digital because they don't have to do anything but upload a game and you pay the same price and the best perk: you own nothing! Wow, what a deal.
iempire100 what John Riggs said. You’re literally crippling games like hollow knight when you don’t support digital.
Jake Randall Hollow knight is not worth everything going digital.
Supervisor JD hollow knight is only one example of hundreds of beautiful games that would not exist if they couldn’t release as digital only
Let's just go digital for games that are not available otherwise but keep on buying the physical games when they do come out in stores. That's what I do at least and I get the best from the 2 worlds (plus I am not contributing to the expansion of the digital only by not getting games that do have a physical copy). Right now most digital games are too expansive compared to the ones in stores while they offer less (no box arts illustartions or manuals) yet you pay the same price or more than the physical release. The 3ds store or the playstation store outside of sales are the perfect examples of digital games being overpriced.
Heroinedown every single limited run release is at least double the price of the same game on the eshop
What Nintendo did to the Wii shop is why digital only is a scary thing.
what did they do?
They terminated it.
Here’s my biggest concern with all of the digital media: storage and future proofing. You can collect all of your retro games and keep them indefinitely. You can only keep your digital games as long as your storage or the source allows. This is bad overall imo.
If you were allowed to purchase digital AND STORE it locally in a nonproprietary fashion, then it changes.
iVirtualPlays didn’t say anything about discs being the only locally stored solution. That was your assumption.
iVirtualPlays I specifically said purchase and store digital in a nonproprietary manner. I don’t want the subscription service holding things I bought. I want that control
@@8bitopa148 - Well that really isn't the conversation here is it? You're on the outside of the hobby (kudos to you for it), but 99.9% of players dont dump ROMS and back up there games. This is about digital (bought on an online store front) vs a Physical copy.
@iVirtualPlays It takes a long ass time for cartridge and CD to rot. Stop thinking it happens in a few years... That's called taking care of your shit.
Even while getting a relaxing massage John Riggs still talks as fast as Speedy González 😂
it's all in the articulation.
@@JohnRiggs 😁👍
I especially loved the groan of enjoyment at the end 😂😝
TLDR: Digital Media is being pushed by companies in an effort to cut costs going forward.
If anything physical media is being pushed towards death by companies who want to be rid of the distribution model they’ve been supporting for many years. Cutting costs and making more money is what they want.
Collecting will be reserved for older consoles, and “retro” gaming in the future.
Companies like Limited Run Games will always be around to put out Physical Copies of games for those that want them.
I also think that they have been looking to control the used games market for years. It really annoys them that they can’t get a second cut so digital massively controls that.
Mr Pepperami I got distracted while writing my comment haha, I meant to touch on that as well. VERY GOOD POINT! Why make money once, when can make money on EVERYONE who buys your game and not just the original physical purchases.
I think it's really myopic to place blame on companies. There are clear, obvious advantages to publishing games digitally. It's really just like kinsie said, think of all the indie devs who can publish games now, how many more people can access games that can't travel to a store, etc. To deny that you are just sticking to your own biases and being stubborn.
Matt Heitmann That’s a fair point.
@@TheCHRILLCAST I think there are laws against that? Like if I buy a used Toyota the car manufacturer doesn't get a cut. I hope they don't find some way around that.
100% physical for me if I cant hold something in my hands I feel like I dont own it plus it has no resell value
if you want to resell a game, or am thinking that you may want to do it in the future, in what way did you even care about the game in the first place?
@@TEKNIQUE666 Exactly. Resale value is not a good argument. If you have a fulltime job the resale value is peanuts anyway.
@@bellamyblake6908 Depends... I had a physical collection that someone was dying to buy... I sold about 2000 games and he offered me 15k. I accepted. It depends if you find a buyer that really want your shit.
@@TEKNIQUE666 so you play every game you've ever owned again and again?
@@billygunn142 every game that i'vve played and enjoyed, yes
physical media has been "doomed" since 2012 but I still seem to see it everywhere.
it's take atlease 10 years or more to see the affect.
@@mcstyle24 True kids whos first console is the PS4/switch/xb1 will not care about physical, we are still ten years out from those kids being young adults, thats when physical is doomed. Being mostly a PC gamer I've already seen this happen, so it wont be anything new to PC players.
Every Blockbuster employee had the same mentality
@@sevenforcex im from the 80s n i prefer digital over physical so that arguement u just said is bullshit
@@retrodarkgamer420 Sure, but maybe you're just an exception. The numbers speak for themselves. Sales data shows the ratio of digital to physical sales increasing year over year. That ratio will eventually plateau, and it won't be 1:0 for digital, but physical will definitely diminish into a niche market once the kids who are growing up on digital become a more dominant force in the market.
If you can't touch it you don't own it. That's why I stuck with real estate instead of stocks. Has served me well to this day.
"he is my complete physical Playstation 7 collection"*shows 10 games*
@shooter4hire shooter4hire I have only 9 PS3 games, because that's how many games for the system actually interested me. : /
I find fewer and fewer games I actually care about these days. Don't even have a newer console.
You own the physical copy. You are basically renting the digital copy
I love everyone's views on this. I agree with the indie game logic. As a indie developer it is a ton easier to get our game out via digital because boxing and printing is very expensive as well as distribution. We grew up with physical copies and love them but digital will grow with time. We also are creating arcade games which people tell us are out of date but they end up so cool and have so much nostalgia.
I didn't even know people were still making arcade game?!?!?
@@Waggswag13 Yeah Killer Queen, DeathBall, Armed and Gelatinous, Switch n Shoot, and Cosmotrons are some of the big ones. As well as us.
@Joe Blow I totally understand that. I'm the same way, I would much rather buy a physical copy myself if I can. Just something about a tangible item. That's why we converted to arcade cabinets rather then releasing this game to digital.
You should really consider priting your games, otherwise you don't deserve to wear that uniform!
@@bringbackmy90s I'm pretty sure putting the game into an arcade cabinet counts as printing the game. We for sure deserve to wear that "unifrom"
One of my limey friends is low on cash and is selling off some of his possessions. I asked him how much his ps4 games could get him. He said they are all digital so I can't resell any of them. And that is why I always buy physical when able. You are stuck with a 60 dollar game you cannot sell to someone else.
Cthulhu Has Risen Not if you live in France since the law actually was on the players side for once thanks to an association protecting consumers rights who made possible the reselling of digital games which is a very good news because in a few months from now, it might probably spread to other countries like wildfire and eventually reach your place. The only problem would be for indie devs who don't earn that much to begin with (unless they sign with the devil namely the Epic store). If the money circulates mainly between players, most of them will never enjoy the sales making it harder for the small companies to stay afloat. There's a way to prevent that by making sure they get a percentage on each sales but this part wasn't mentioned anywhere and it feels like I'm the only one who got that idea...
In the end it's good and not so good, only time will tell how things will turn out.
@Pokemon Trainer Blue digital can be damaged..... corrupted files would make it not even boot up let alone be able to play.
You know what. The games you can buy the files for you could technically just sell to everyone you know.
I think that's the big thing for me as well. When it comes to small arcade titles and indie games, sure go digital and get the box if you love the game and if it does in fact come out, but the big titles that go for $60, I don't see the point of ever buying the digital copy. It costs the same and you can't resell it. Plus the digital version takes up a good amount of hard drive space on the AAA titles. Then again some of these titles are still installing up to 100 GB to play even from the disc so I don't know how much that differs.
Either way there's no major downside to owning a boxed copy of a game unless you either don't like the clutter or don't have the space.
@@poopeater5678 um i got ps3 ps4 and xbox one and 360 all my digitals work fine and got digital games on steam gog and epic game store all digitall work fine so ur full of shit ur just another game hoarder collector than cant accept digital is future and physical is th epast
When it becomes mostly digital, it'll be interesting to see how I will consume games. Currently, I find myself putting more time and commitment to games that I buy physically, whereas I often will play a digital game for one sitting and often not return to it. I don't know why this is, but I definitely prioritize playing my physical games.
Lalena Dee that’s how I am! You’re not alone
The day they become digital only, is the day I'll start flying my jolly roger......... more often than I currently do......
I have no idea what a Jolly Roger is! However, the day it goes all digital is the day that I’ll finally put the hurt on my backlog!
Any physical games that doesn’t require an update is collectible - if it needs an update and installation on the console - it’s pretty much a digital game.
I go for physical only unless the only option is digital I believe they will release games on carts because carts have caught up to modern times to store a ton of data
I like owning my shit, so physical 100%. That’s some of the reason I don’t PC game.
Supervisor JD But what about those digital only indie games that you might be interested in ?
@@leecroft1983 Hey at least we dont waste too much money on those.
@@leecroft1983 For my part, to be honest, there aren't all that many digital-only indie games that I'm interested in. It's very rare for games to forego a physical release out of choice (Jonathan Blow's pigheadedness regarding The Witness notwithstanding) and if a game is unable to secure any kind of physical release (even a limited print like LRG or SRG), there's usually a reason for it. Sift through actual digital-only titles on PSN or the Switch eShop and you tend to find that 95% of it is tacky F2P crap or outright shovelware.
It is INCREDIBLY rare for me to see a game that is digital-only and to want it that badly to be tempted to buy it digitally. Last example I could think of was Hellblade, and as we know, the wait paid off there.
Lee Croft true, I do love me some good indie games.
But if you buy it digital it's still yours. There are 2 different types of digital. One where the company can shut down and you can't play and one where you download it and play it anytime
I watched the whole video, but Kelsey nailed it in the first 2 minutes and the rest of the crew took it home. I will be sad to see physical go, but that won't stop me from gaming. PC gaming has been digital for years for the most part, and I still buy digital PC games. We will always have old games, records, vhs and comics to keep collecting alive, just very little new. I think by the end of this next console generation, PS5 and Scarlett, digital sales will have surpassed physical by a good margin.
For me there are two basic things that have to exist concerning digital media: 1. It has to be cheaper compared to physical copies; 2. You must have the option to transfer it to a physical storage device (a dvd or something like that), provided you cant do that to donate/sell multiple copies of the game, but only to prevent losing your game. In order to do that, the companies could develop a system: if a digital game is about to be discontinued, you, the owner of the download code, are allowed to make one copy of it for a period of time.
I buy a ton more digital now than I used to. I still like physical more, but I don't have the time revisit newer games after I finish them anyway...even games I love like Bloodborne. One, and done.
I agree with you, I don't go back and replay games like I use to. Mostly just beat it and move on or ill miss all the games i wanted to try.
@@galacticbattleground8290 I noticed that too... Way back I installed many games 2-3-4 times. Maybe it's because I have excess to so many games. Back in the day I had 2 or most 3 games a year
MJR this is a very complicated theme. it has a lot of gray areas, i wish this would be black and white but its not and never will be. i prefer physical media over digital. we dont control what companies do over digital media. if they want they can shut the servers down, remove the game because of licenses issues like we already saw before, and us gamers wil always be harmed by this practices. for example xbox live arcade, TMNT got removed and everybody that had the game couldnt play it anymore, but theres more cases. they must change the type of contracto. if the small letters change the digital media is a way gamers have a license to use the game to gamers own the game. i think this brings a lot of discussion to the table
Game Pause Yeah, you're right, I've been screaming about this very topic in my comments. Physical is better for gamers but digital is more convenient for those control freak companies (they spend less and can they can do whatever they want since the law is pretty vague right now on new technologies). When we reach the point only digital game gets released, that's when I'll stop playing "modern" games completely. Who in his right mind would want a world with only Stadia and some bs plateformes having controls over their lives, knowing every single detail about our lives (when we play, how often we play, how much we spend, where we live, the list of our friends, families and so on). Ownership and privacy, these are the things I would never agree to lose just for the right to play a "good" game. Fear of missing out or fomo isn't for me, I'm way beyond that.
@@Heroinedown How is gog going to reach out and delete their DRM-free installers from my computer?
@montana Ten gamers must start doing something about it because if digital is the future, then we will have no games to play when companies decide they will no longer support that game, if a game fails it will have a shorter life and so on. we cant stand by and watch these companies do whatever they want
I agree with Kelsey's assessment (as long as there's a minimum demand, there will be sales and products made), though it is worth noting Kinsey's explanation hits on something actually a little foreboding - especially concerning DRM, where it's going to be up to the pirate communities to preserve the data, especially as companies go under (this is how a lot of these older games are preserved to this day - so it's there, just not always the easiest for people to obtain/use). Sites like GoG, as you mentioned, is an exceptional, legitimate, tool for maintaining this - though as a service, it can always go under, and be unable to be accessed afterwards.
It is worth noting, that most of these views are still looking at "current gen" and even "next gen" - I wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 generations we legitimately see systems on the console side that are unable to read physical media (the PC market has gone much the same way, but we still have data ingress through USB for makeshift physical media there - this would likely be blocked off outside of modding for consoles to push marketplace sales)
The digital transition is why I am slightly torn on the lawsuit vs Steam in France - overall, I think it's bad for the single-player game ecosystem, especially if it's handled with a hamfist approach - BUT pushing the "resale" of digital goods could influence the presence of physical media and value-add via the physical media.
The actual BIGGER concern for me on the original subject of digital transition though, isn't digital or physical, but rather the growing presence of "Always Online DRM" that is riding on the coat-tails of the digital push - since they like to use the concept of "if you can download the game, it can check in with our servers" - so what happens to PC versions of Diablo 3, or what looks like ALL versions of Diablo 4 when blizzard shuts down?
If the future is digital only with no physical option, I won't buy games anymore, or movies
ZeusWeus you and me both
Piracy needs to come back for the next gen of consoles, i'm not buying digital games for a higher price than a physical. I buy 95% of games used and expect to be able to do that for many years to come or i'll simply stop playing the new shit poisoned by loot boxes and in game currencies. Got a back log of games to last literally a life time, don't need much of the new shit anyway, it's all a money grab.
Sterling20073 You're just like me man, that's exactly what I said earlier. I'm glad there are still people like us who can think for themselves instead of being sheeps following the trends as they come and go.
@@Heroinedown Good to hear, yeah people are sheep. Nintendo puts a pay wall up and majority of Nintendo customers happily hand over the money like idiots. As a kid when i thought of games in the future I didn't think of being charged for extra shit in the game
Just after Kinsey's segment...a Google Stadia ad. There you have it
Great comments! Kelsey does sum it up nicely. One note, I have the same mic and the manual claims that you should not tilt it like this (speak into the side, not the top). Saw that last time already and thought I mention it.
Oh, I forgot to mention one of the only reasons I love digital is so I can play games that are ridiculously priced like Super Turrican 2, Pocky and Rocky 2, etc. I don't have to pay 200+ dollars to own it.
Kinsey brought up an interesting point about collecting being rooted in nostalgia and I have a feeling this is exactly what's going to cause a bit of a blowback for digital a few years from now. We're already seeing a bit of discontent with some of the games from XBLIG being irrevocably lost (many did get PC ports, which mitigated this somewhat). The thing is, we haven't had a major shutdown of a digital storefront yet. The PSP's digital back catalogue is still playable on the Vita, much of the 360's is still playable on the XO. However, the first major loss is likely to be PS3 digital titles and licensed titles, especially many games that have never seen a physical release and are unlikely to ever see ports: Scott Pilgrim, Super Rub-A-Dub, House of the Dead 4, Motorstorm RC, some of the PixelJunk games, inFamous: Festival of Blood, Söldner-X: Himmelsstürmer and more. People simply aren't appreciating that their digital libraries aren't going to exist in perpetuity. Even on PC, where Steam libraries are designed to exist across multiple generations of hardware, people forget that Steam only supports the most recent versions of Windows, and games that later depend on specific versions of Windows to run will be left in the dark.
The Wii Store shut down, and now lots of the games like the Pokemon Rumble game cannot be downloaded anymore.
@referral madness good point! Emulation will help a lot
Scott Pilgrim will never be ported.............. I hope your are excited about the announcement
@@clintosfan I am indeed. Remains to be seen if there'll be a physical release though. If they haven't, then they clearly haven't learned from the fiasco.
@@jamyskis considering the notoriety of the game being de-listed I'm sure people would go crazy for the physical release, I'm would be surprised if they didn't make one
I can’t ignore the rise of digital gaming, but that doesn’t stop me from surfing eBay, and hitting resale stores, collecting physical copies for games.
I like physical media because after beating a game i can trade that game in and put it towards another game so I don't spend the whole amount and therefore I save some money.
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I love digital games. Some of my favorite games of the past few years are only digital, with some getting a physical release via Limited Run. I always prefer physical, but I see digital being used to archive games. The preservation of games is so important to me.
I am convinced by now that only physical media can preserve and archive games, especially after realising that GOG deletes games. All those download services or servers will be down at some point in history, and these companies only think about temporarily making some money on modern PCs. They do not preserve anything imo.
Best preservation for games are only nerd collectors themselves, who do care about the games and preserve the games completely, that is with manuals, printmedia, fat boxes, artwork, maps, etc.
At one point it will be a question of performance.
A digital game running from SSD is faster than any current media format.
*So I expect Gen10 to be the first digital only generation!*
And as a collector I kind of like that because
1) I am running out of space for my physical games
2) if there is a final number on collectable games I might get a collection that I can state "complete"
3) I can finally catch up with my backlog because digital only is not very interesting for me and I will not get into much of that gaming anyways
I'm probably a minority here but I'm personally done with having a massive collection of games. Two-ish bookshelves is enough for me these days. There's a sense of freedom from not having loads of stuff around you.
Dude... im in your camp. In my home i have a room that well looks like their rooms. Shelf on shelf in shelf of dvds and games and collectibles. But whats the point... im scared to open and play these games so im just hoarding them.
Shadowrun Until your hard drive crashes and you lose everything in one go, awesomely convenient (some games get taken out of stores after a while and you can't get them again even though you "owned" them like Scott Pilgrim game or Chaos rings and many more). You have to think really hard about every possible problems before making that kind of statement. It's not just a storage problem but the real digital game problems are "ownership" (you lose your ownership rights in the name of easy access).
Especially when you have to move house/apartment, that's when people realize just how much junk they have, and for gamers they usually just sell most of their games off, rather than carry all that stuff around to a new place.
Obviously it's a matter of preference and everyone is different but I agree with you on that. I went to help out my father-in-law with some house repairs on the weekend and had to look in his garage for tools and I couldn't believe the amount of stuff they had accumulated over the years it was madness. I found a box full of tiny cassettes from an answer machine which were adorable though. I never want to get into that situation myself. One day I'm going to have to help get rid of all that stuff which will be interesting but a massive task no doubt.
True dat. Power to ya buddy.
What I think will happen eventually is we will still get boxes sold in shops but there will be no disc or cartridge inside, just a one time use code
Larry Microsoft already tried this crap and it didn't end up well for them... Shit, they even tried the permanent online gaming and went so far as to try to annihilate the second hand market (with that one time only code) and every time it backfired on them. With the Scarlet, I'm pretty sure they are already scheming something shitty for their loyal consumers but most people have a bad memory.
Digital is far better for myself personally. Never really cared much for collecting.
Lol get out of here ,just kidding Matt .Never would of expect you here!
Because ur stupid
@@V_For_Vigilante what's the point in saying that
I'm iffy about digital versions since I was hacked and lost all of my games in one go. I love getting physical game because I know I have them unless, you know, I get robbed or something. I've slowly started to get back into digital. Fingers crossed that I don't lose them again.
This is why piracy is going to be a all time high so the games can be preserved cause the company's wont and dont care
People have been asking this question for years and years. Trust me...you’re fine. As a matter a fact, Blu-ray and 4K sales are up more then they ever been, vinyl is bigger then it’s ever been and even cd sales have jumped in resent research. It’s going to be fine...
Physical : for my collection and fun to own the game.
Digital : for my hacked consoles.
I really like listening to Kinsey talk about games. She comes across with so much positivity and her bubbly personality really adds to the MJR crew. We need to see more Kinsey please :D
I prefer to have the physical game!!! D:
With how much patching and dlc there are now, owning physical doesn't really feel the same now anyways.
Good question and of course it will go digital. More likly steaming.
This is very sad but its going to happen.
I just hope companies like Nintendo see that there is a market and keeps game on the new Switch style small memory style carts.
@GamingTV good point. I think digital and physical should continue to coexist for a long time, that way the world has a choice. You can get your digital copy, and I can get my disc of the same game, and everyone wins!
What I'm most worried about is, if say 25 years from now psn, Xbox live, steam, etc permanently go down we are just going to lose all our digital games, my steam library scares me the most because pc gaming is mostly digital.
Chayce That's a lot of money down the toilet... Nothing beats physical copies, nothing.
I can see the appeal of archiving games and taking less space at home and shit. And as the future goes, digital sadly is it since everybody is pushing it to death.
However, once gaming goes digital only, then thats it for me and i go full-retro-mode, period. I like to actually own what i buy, be able to look at and touch it. I cant do anything like that with digital at all, so screw that. For me, value in collecting is not necessarily nostalgia like John said, its me loving to actually own what i bought. I dont get that sense of owning it with digital at all.
But Reggie is right on the thing he mentioned there: Digital should be cheaper than physical at all times and yet its the same price. So basically, we (physical) get more out of it than the people that prefer digital...............and for some reason they dont get that. Weird that only a very small minority seems to get it like Reggie.
Besides, talking about rotting and whatnot...............sure, it can happen but its very very rare and since the 5th gen, its almost non-existent. I own certain games for 20-30 years, they still work like on the first day. If you cant take care of your media, then thats on you (which doesnt eliminate the possibility BUT it scales it down big time to almost 0).
Excellent points! Another huge negative of going digital is that many games over time get removed from online stores, meaning if you deleted some games due to space and can't redownload them it then raises the bigger (and legal) question of what happens to all that money spent? Many people do not look at stuff like this. Sure we could look at things more deeply like "money shouldn't be an object and it shouldn't control you" but when anyone purchases something they should own every right to use it for as long as they want to own it. There's a reason why people pour money to this medium and that's because we love it. It shouldn't be stripped away simply because it costs a company less to release them digitally. Hell, we're more than willing to throw our money if it means we can physically own them.
That's why there's a backup utility built into every ps3 and ps4. Use it. Don't rely on digital downloads to always be available to download again.
agreed they can stick those downloads in their ass. if I ened to download they are better free and if not I turn to piracy
I refuse to pay for something I dont actualy own
@@wowgek7 then ur an idiot i hope u go to prision for piracy u piece of crap
as a cd collector who loves to collect hundreds of cds, ultimately physical media will be a more nostalgic thing and digital will become the future, the question is not if but when will it become the primary form of media. but ultimately there will still be stores and markets who do cater to those who do prefer those who like physical releases like i do with music cds
It’ll still be around in one way or another but the bulk of it will be all digital moving forward. Hell, stores still sell CD’s and tapes of all things are making a comeback.
Also god bless John Riggs
Great question and fascinating to hear everyone's thoughts on this. I believe that the answer is as simple as; physical media will last as long as we want it too. There is still a market for physical music media for those who want to own it, and so games will be the same. Support games in all formats so they can continue to grow with future generations. The best will be enshrined in multiple formats both physical and digital and whatever else comes next!
I'm the last physical generation ds, xbox 360 and Wii!
I think the most important question is about control. Overall, with the physical media you have more control: you can buy, store (archive), lend and even sell the game in the future. With digital and cloud based gaming business model, you buy from a webstore and download the content. You can't know how long the game will still be avaiable. Maybe in 10 years you won't find the game anywhere. From the point of collectors, this is a big problem. But digital is good for storage and conservation if you have full control: backing up old tapes/disks/cds/dvds/blu-ray and having access of a backward hardware to play what is stored. Thus, you can collect like that, with the content always with you.
I love physical media I love collecting them if physical media die in future I will feel very sad
Everytime someone say "x is dying" you have to change to "x is going niche", nothing really dies that quickly...but something that nobody said on the video and I think already is beggining to exist is a bigger focus on hardware, we already have a number of people collecting old iphones to be able to play older ios games or ps3 with pt installed. The next generation of game collecting will probably look way more like what old pc collecting is today than console collecting
As much as I'm against digital almost everybody has valid points. Especially MJR with archival purposes.
haha I agree with you EVERYONE has a solid point on the topic.
Totally agree with Kelsey's comparison to music, where this situation is most profound. A few years ago, you could imagine a spectrum from premium analogue media to digital: Vinyl - CDs - Downloads. Now that CDs have fallen away, both vinyl and downloads/streaming have become more popular, with each side grabbing the attention of a chunk of the former CD market. There is a very solid divide between the two, and the kinds of consumers. Physical media won't disappear, but digital will be the majority.
They'll keep physical games for a few more decades but once all the gen x and millennials die out I don't think the gen z people and younger will care if digital completely takes over.
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I'm a simple man. I see Drunken Master Paul, I hit mute. lol
I just skipped his part
whats wrong with him?
Kelsey has a very interesting point about HOW cheep it is for dev's to produce games. But I want my physical media! I'm a millennial and all I like is physical media! But that is my own opinion
Huh Kelsey rocking the Blue Yeti??? Whisper into that thing, girl. I need my Kelsey ASMR
Has anyone noticed how Kinsey is always wearing the same type of dress with images of either planets rotating around the sun, maps of the earth or in this case star maps? She seems to be well aware of her girth.
Reality: physical media is doomed
John Hancock: that's illegal
@montana Ten didn't you see his museum? it was a joke.... duh
Every time I see someone using a Blue Yeti incorrectly (Kelsey), I have to point it out. :) The Yeti is a side-address microphone. You don't point it at your mouth; rather, you speak perpendicular to it. Great video as always!
Thank you! It was bugging the hell out of me. I didn't feel like being "that guy" since we hear her just fine anyway, but since you brought it up I thought I'd second it. It's even a big "DO THIS, NOT THIS" illustration right on the box and still people do it wrong. It... it bugs me... more than I thought it would.
Other thing is that almost every game released nowadays is broken and needs to be patched.
When you look from this perspective, collecting physical releases ended with ps2 era.
To find the answer to this question, you can looks at books, magazines and music. Sure, a lot of them are digital but you can also find them in a physical formats pretty much everywhere. The future is digital, but we are not quite in the future yet.
People will start collecting consoles. In the future you will have 10 PS7's because each one will have a digital game on it you can't transfer.
bingo.
@@HunteronX Oh yeah, and those consoles will be registered to someone else because the Digital Rights Management won't allow you to sign them off and sign yourself in.
Don't worry, I'm still collecting! Right now I kinda can't due to money reasons, but I still try as much as I can!
I'm more afraid digital game to buy but not to own.
@@dav786 That's when GOG Connect (as limited as it is) can be a real lifesaver! Although I prefer GOG in every way, I wish it had access to a wider library.
@@anubisg8621 yeah thats what i really hate,honestly!
đabe stari Wait until their steam account gets pirated, then they will remember how great it was to actually "own" a game.
@@anubisg8621 www.karldrinkwater.uk/2013/11/why-i-hate-drm-i-want-to-play.html?m=1
Triggered when I saw Kelsey in front of a mic. BRING BACK THE GAME BLITZ PODCAST, PLEASE!!
The fact is, in a matter of time all physical media will require download patches. On the other end digital games will be more permanent than physical. It will evolve to the point where if you buy something digitally you will always be able to access it even on future systems. Digital will be the new physical.
Jake Randall Until they decide to remove it like PT and you get screwed...
@@Heroinedown that is a good point! I think physical games are better because I don't need to rely on a server that can shut down anytime!
And this guy is completely forgetting about licensed games and characters. After the contract is expired, even if the company wants to keep that content available, they can't.
@@poopeater5678 yes! A good example of this is Crazy Taxi! I have my original release PlayStation 2 version, and I get to deliver my customers to Pizza Hut, Tower Records, KFC, Levi's store, FILA store, etc.(Same with arcade, Dreamcast, GameCube, and Xbox original) These licenses went away for the digital rerelease, and it dramatically changed the game, and I now deliver customers to "Pizza Parlor".
Heroinedown that’s my point. In the future, digital games won’t “get removed” like PT. In the future they’ll find ways to make your purchase permanent.
Issue with digital is your account can get hacked, banned or you lose your password. If that happens to you, say goodbye to everything you accumulate. This is why I prefer ways to own that digital content so I can transfer the games from one device to another without any restriction. Sadly company wants to limit that and this is where I see a huge disconnect.
Ownership is going to go away. When cloud is perfected (10-20 years from now unless tech finds something better) everything will move towards subscriptions. No more downloading or installing at all and the companies will use IP protection as their base excuse. I remember when Steam first started and companies were pushing digital stating since they don’t have to print manuals, CD/DVDs, cases, we would all save money. Bunch of liars. Digital games still same full price as physical and more thanks to deluxe/gold editions, etc.
I'd say can we have just both physical and digital? It's makes it fair and balance the consumer market.
saw an article yesterday where sony is applying for a patent on what looks like cartridge? possible for the ps5, did you see this?
I did!! That's crazy. Next year's E3 is going to be pretty wild. Can't wait!
@REDBIRD get the original "fat" PS3, it can play PlayStation 2 games using hardware that was removed for the slim ps3
@REDBIRD you can clean the discs! But personally I look at the discs first if buying IRL, or buy from someone with a guarantee if online
@REDBIRD np! I am annoyed when I buy a disc that doesn't work too, like that still happens but if a game is $2 then that is a risk I'm willing to take
Sorry Metal Jesus. I've been away for a minute. I didn't notice that you finally got your basement put back together, after the flooding damage. It looks sublime, dude. The ultimate gaming cave!
Physical or bust for me. Also first for the first time ever.
I think you could take away the fear of digitization from most gamers if there would be a legitimate way to archive digital games yourself, either on a disc or digitally on an HDD. that would erase the fear of being able to lose them and I'm talking about seperate backups for each single game of course with the installed patches and DLC's, of course with an security mechanism to avoid piracy, somehow bond it with your account, console's MAC adress or so. That's at least my reqiurement to be ready to kiss physical games goodbye, because I never ever sold one of my games and also don't care about a packaging.
Great Video, great people, great opinions!
For consoles I agree physical, but in the pc market I have to go with digital unless we are talking about drm free version like how GOG runs their store.
I think what will happen is that either game manufacturers or console manufacturers will give you two options. One option is that you can download a digital copy of the game or Two, you can subscribe to their channel and have a choice to play a vast majority of games without owning them. Kind of like renting when we did from Blockbuster except it is digitally done.
If you bought digital game, they will store at heaven.
So later on if you die and you still can play them compare to physical.
But make sure you're not in hell.
It's really the same argument that can be applied to any form of media. I am a photographer who shoots mostly Polaroids and film, and currently in the photography world we are seeing an increase in interest of film-based photography rather than a decrease, to the point that companies such as Ilford and Lomography (among many others) are putting out new types of film all the time. There is a recognition that having physical copies of our work feels inherently better than it being all-digital. I believe this is partly due to human nature; human beings, from the beginning of time, have enjoyed having "stuff." You see examples of this in art history dating back to pre-historic times. We, as people, tend to enjoy collecting things because we are, at our core, hunter-gatherers, no matter how much we try to deny it. To me, it's the same thing with games -- it just doesn't feel as good to have digital copies of everything as it does to be able to hold a physical copy in our hands, especially for those of us who grew up being used to EVERYTHING being physical. Digital is most definitely the future, there is no denying that; as much as I enjoy having physical copies of games so that I'm not juggling SD cards trying to figure out which game is backed up onto which card and so that I can look at the cool box art from time to time, I can't deny that there is a level of convenience in having a few games on my Switch, etc. that are just THERE every time I pick up the system. However, as we've already seen with the Wii shop, buying digital isn't a lifetime guarantee of having the game, whereas buying physical, barring the cart breaking, etc., ensures that you will have a copy of the game at your disposal forever. I agree with Kinsey; a lot of collecting, especially when it comes to games, comes down to nostalgia, so what happens when the people who grew up in the "physical age" aren't around to collect anymore? I also agree with Kelsey's point, though, that the niche market for physical copies will probably exist for a long time to come, and with that could come some really cool packaging and other features geared specifically toward collectors.