Nicolle Wallace speaks with college students who are confronting antisemitism on campus
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- College students and the writers of that Op-ed in the New York Times titled "What Is Happening on College Campuses Is Not Free Speech," Jillian Lederman, Talia Dror and Gabriel Diamond join Nicolle Wallace for a conversation on the antisemitism that they and their peers have experienced on campus, and what must be done to protect Jewish students from hate speech and bigoted rhetoric across the country in the wake of the October 7 Hamas attack.
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Nicolle Wallace speaks with college students who are confronting antisemitism on campus
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"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by the majority".
"The people will believe a big lie more easily than a little lie". "If you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth". Adolph Hitler.
Bible prophecy
That's why I never take MSNBC or Wallace seriously.
This reminds me of what happened when I was in college in 1974. I was on an ROTC scholarship and was required to wear an Air Force uniform once a week. The Vietnam war was still raging at that point in time. People I had never met before would come walking up to me and insult me, as if they were blaming me for the war.
Today's issues with Israel, Hamas, the Jewish community, the US & Great Britain, are all important, and people are doing the same thing - blaming every individual for what's being done that's out of their personal control.
But, as I say when a hate statement is leveled against a group, I ask which person, specifically, they want to unalive, how they know them personally, and are they projecting their dislike of what's happening on an individual who, through no fault of their own, is by birth, or inherited (raised as) religious beliefs, a member of that group.
Thank you for highlighting the severity of this issue and showing how widespread it is, Nicolle.
I cannot believe these poor kids have to deal with this at college. Professors engaged in these hate activities need to be punished, suspend tenure, do whatever you have to do, but it is not OK for this behavior. My God, this is America! Everyone can have their opinion but you CANNOT foist your hate on other people, make them feel unsafe, make them afraid to go to the cafeteria for lunch.
Maybe now you understand what Trans and LGBT people are going thru in red states.
@@paulproulx7410Exactly what state are you talking about? If these students know how it feels, why do they do it to others? Makes no sense
@@noreenmcgovern1023 it doesn’t make any sense. I have been absolutely gob smacked by seeing the same people, who are speaking out for rights of trans people and other minorities, turning around and spewing hate. This doesn’t mean that every person who supports trans rights or advocates for trans rights is participating in this. But even with just a fraction it’s abhorrent. All it tells me is that these individuals don’t actually truly believe in equity and human rights, at least not for everyone.
I have always supported a free and independent Palestine . However, the fact that Hamas is not being condemned for the slaughter of 1400 innocent civilians in their homes, and is actually being lauded for it by American students and Professors, is sickening.
78% of Israelis support a free and independent Palestine, but they are being blamed for the behavior of corrupt thugs like Netanyahu.
I don’t think anyone disputes the complexity of the issue. There is tons of conflation of groups and issues.
The media keeps referring to Israeli’s as “jews” when NOT ALL of them are Jewish or even practice any religion. In fact, most Israelis are agnostic. But it sells better to call them all Jewish because it evokes memories of the holocaust, which is manipulative.
And most AMERICANS don’t even understand the complexity of the issue or what happened in 1948, or PRE 1948.
Lots of opinions formed out of emotion rather than facts.
I’ve had countless interactions over the Palestinian people being allowed to be free, with responses like “well that’s what they voted for.”
WRONG. The Hamas they voted for 16 years ago is NOT the same Hamas today.
And people don’t seem to understand that Israel effectively controls the existence of the Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank. They’re like wardens of an open air prison. You can’t deny it. That’s basically the conditions they exist under.
Israel saw the attack as license to wipe these people off the face of the earth, even though they all DO NOT support Hamas.
And any ask for Israel to exercise some restraint is met with accusations of being antisemitic if you don’t UNEQUIVOCALLY support turning Gaza into a parking lot, no matter how many innocents die.
The president between a rock and a hard place. I have no doubt Biden is a thoughtful man who doesn’t want people to die.
But US policy has him hamstrung. If he pushes back on Israel, then he’s “antisemitic.” If he doesn’t unequivocally support the Palestinians to many americans, then he’s a butcher! But its not OUR WAR. We only have so much say. And if he stops “aid” to Israel, then he’d be accused of helping Hamas.
This issue is insanely complex and anyone who oversimplifies it, is stupid.
This news video does exactly what we need to stop doing….this one sided “Poor Israelis” crying.
BUT AGAIN, if they don’t then MSNBC will be accused of being “antisemitic.” Which is absurd.
Ok, so where’s the interview with the pro-Palestinian students in this network?
@@jcc9549 you started out strong… then right after saying “ lots of opinions formed out of emotion rather than fact” you fall into the same emotional arguments and went downhill from there. Look at your first couple of paragraphs and then look at the rest and ask yourself if you were an unbiassed observer reading beyond the first few paragraphs are you not falling for the same trap?
Edited to add: You have numerous emotional opinions interspersed with rational points. Unfortunately, the emotional opinions detract from rational points. This is complex, and the responses in the handling the situation by individuals in important positions like President Biden is very complicated. I had to reread your common multiple times to see the nuance that I believe you were trying to highlight. I’ll be fair and say that when I initially read your comment, I was really impressed and then things got emotional and I was ready to write you off. I was just another emotional commentor, but I went back and reread it. I’m guessing you’re struggling with much of the same things I am, which is the complexity and the new ones and being incredibly frustrated with emotional people who have taken a hard position on either side. It’s important we check our own bias, but thank you for not staying silent and leaving in to the hardliner on either side. I will say though it’s important that the news covers the antisemitism in the threats being made on college campuses, just like it’s important for the news to cover the Islamophobia and attacks on Palestinian Americans. When covering hate it is not appropriate to include both sides, because it only platforms that hatred, the same reason they didn’t invite the guy who murdered in six-year-old Palestinian American boy.
@@Dbdbe1 are they being targeted by hate speech, or violet threats?
These students are on here because they are calling hate speech.
MSNBC has done numerous interviews with pro Palestinian views talking about and calling out the atrocities in Gaza.
It's quite disturbing to hear that this racist behavior is going on at these universities. In Europe, this kind of behavior (even if it is "only" a threat) is met with prison sentences. We do not tolerate any kind of discrimination and certainly not this constant threat to Jewish students. We have learned that NOT taking this seriously can lead to the near destruction of a people! What is wrong with American society? Why is this allowed to happen? Even professors making pro-Hamas remarks? What???????
Americans take sides without investigation, and are dismissive of facts that are inconvenient to them. They actually perceive this willful ignorance as enlightenment. Cynical politicians are aware of this and use it to manipulate voters every day.
Democrats have caused this by catering to terroristic threats from fringe leftist groups like communists, BLM, now these Hamas rallies! All of them have one thing in common - these “causes” were legitimized by Democrat politicians in the US
What do American students who happen to belong to the Jewish Religion have to do with the war that was started by the Hamas in Israel ? What harm did they do to anybody ?
Because they are the biggest hypocrites forever. They do exactly what they accuse others of...come on, you know that by now.
Peoples emotions are overriding their logic.
There are individuals and organizations using social media, and other means to twist information and feed a narrative that all Jews are responsible for the actions of Israel. The same influences have twisted the information to justify the horrendous attacks by Hamas as being legitimate resistance. Mediaeval style barbaric atrocities are not resistance. Those influences have continued on to pin the blame of Israel, and the existence of Israel, on all Jews. This has led to people who may not even have any connection to the Middle East or Palestinians to see what is happening on the news or social media, and see the horrors of war, that previous generations have been shielded from, which triggers an emotional response. They have been primed to believe that Jews are responsible for Israel’s actions, and that Israel is to blame for Hamas breaking the ceasefire and engaging in horrific atrocities. So when their emotions take over the lash out at who they see is too blame.
Humans don’t like to feel out of control and they need to find something or someone to blame. The conflict is messy and there is no clear good guy and bad guy, but the emotional part of the human brain struggles with nuance and needs absolutes. So when presented with an easy scapegoat, the human brain jumped to that.
This is MSNBC's fault and other lefty organizations who promote this nonsense "strong vs weak" ideology. Jews are always on the chopping block then.
Why are all the comments Amazon bots?
It’s an attack on MSNBC and CNN.
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It has nothing to do with Amazon. It's a crypto scam.
Thank you Nicole, you are on the right side of history. Thank you brave students for speaking up!
Any thought of the thousands of innocent men, women and children of Gaza?
@@paulproulx7410 whataboutism.
Anyone who justifies hate against one group of people is no better than white supremacists or other hate groups.
I don't understand way people blame all Jews when it's really only Netanyahu who is ultimately responsible for this disaster.
Most people don't blame Jews. This sounds like your perception and not truth.
@@cecilytubbs3766 They didn't say "most people." But many people are blaming all Jews when they commit antisemitic actions on college campuses and elsewhere in response to the war against Hamas.
Netanyahu is not responsible for the hatred and barbarism of Islamic fundamentalists who have spent decades trying to eliminate Israel.
@@KingoftheJuice18 and those are misguided and possibly radicalized people that are a very small group.
@@cecilytubbs3766 The small size of radical groups doesn't mean they cannot have a large influence. Look at what happened at the Capitol of the United States when awful people like Donald Trump spewed lies and hatred, aided and abetted by the so-called "Oathkeepers" and "Proud Boys." We didn't take those misguided, radicalized people seriously enough.
At 74, I still do not understand why so many dislike Jewish people. If I could have chosen my existence, I would have been a Jewish person. I think they are a very gentle, understanding, intelligent, people and I would be proud of my heritage ❤
I am 63 and I do not understand why they dislike Jews either. They have never done anything to me so I don't have a problem with them.
Sammy Davis Jr. Did it.
Zionism, a settler colonial political ideology, is not judaism. People confusing Zionism and Judaism is the problem.
@@NorthStarGuidance yes, they are being mistaken for each other, but the problem is that antisemitism is been tolerated, and even allowed under the guise of free speech. Anyone who points out the hate speech directed at Jews and violent threats towards Jews is accused of being taken away free speech. Hate speech towards other groups isn’t tolerated, so why is it being tolerated now?
Simple. Because they're rich and successful. People now (especially MSNBC people) hate that.
Anti-War and antigenocide are not same as anti-Jewish. Many of the anti-war are Jewish and they are welcomed and appreciated if religion even matters. People are sick of war crimes by Israelis and want it to stop and students have right to express their believes.
That's fine but the problem being dicussed here is the unprecedented spike in anti-Semitism on college campuses. Jewish students should be able to feel safe on campus.
Thank you for making it crystal clear that you didn't watch the video.
The problem is that many protesters and groups organizing these protest ARE also promoting antisemitism. Even more justify the atrocities committed by Hamas as legitimate resistance when it is mediaeval style barbaric war crimes.
No one is saying that anti-war protest should be stopped. What is being called for is action to be taken against those who are sprouting hate speech, and especially those who are making violent threats towards Jewish students. If it was Islamaphobic hate speech or violent threats against Palestinian American students, we would be calling for the same action to be taken.
Hate speech is not free speech
Why aren't people concerned for the Jewish people and the Palestinians, these people, both groups are being terrorized and need the worlds support. We need to be concerned about the Palestinians to have liberation and Israel, both to be able to live in safety and peace.
I am not Jewish but i am an American. Hate rallies and hate speech are disgusting and shameful.
They should not have to be going through this. Antisemitism is wrong. Period. The extreme speech and actions against Jewish Americans they spoke of is wrong. Period. My heart is with them and the previous young Jewish American student who was on Nicolle Wallace's program not too long ago. AND ...
I love Ms Wallace. She is smart, thoughtful, sensitive and more. But I have been troubled with a couple of other guests who have been on closing segments recently discussing the terrible events in the Middle East and the repercussions beyond, including here in the USA.
Somehow in these closing segments everything seems to be reduced to antisemitism. The Israeli special envoy certainly seemed to be saying that any concern and/or sympathy for the well-being of the people of Gaza is unacceptable ... equating it with antisemitism. She made my blood boil.
We can care about the well-being of all people in the region. Expressing concerns about the Palestinians is not antisemitism, but somehow that is the strong impression being fueled by these closing segments. I know Ms Wallace is better than that.
Joy Reid has done an excellent job of covering this with her guests. Another favorite of mine, Ari Melber, doesn't seem to have addressed this. Antisemitism is wrong. Islamophobia is wrong. War and violence is wrong. Genocide is wrong. There are not two camps or teams at play here.
I beg of Ms Wallace, whom I love, to do better.
"I love Ms Wallace. She is smart, thoughtful, sensitive and more." Without a doubt one of the dumbest comments I've read on this site. She's about as smart, thoughtful and sensitive as Trump.
@@1tzyb1tzel ... Clearly you prefer personal attacks over persuasion. Your language in reference to me and others mirrors how Trump attacks people who do not support him. Either you are a troll or just like to make personal attacks.
Thank you Nicolle for having these students on.
im sure this never happens to muslim students on campus, keep the propaganda going
Did Nicolle Wallace work in George W Bush’s administration ?
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@@thisgamegavemecancer1813 when it happened to Muslim students on campus it gets called out dealt with. So why aren’t the university administrators doing something about this?
Antisemitism is an awful scourge....but why does it seem that being anti Black gets you in LESS trouble now a days. Kanye didn't get in real trouble for being Anti Black, he got hit harder for being antisemitic....and being anti immigrant or anti refugee, also, seems to not be a big deal anymore...why is it thus way ?
Why? Because the black community allows it just like they allow anti-Jewish racism. Look at their adoration of Louis Farrakhan lol….racist, antisemitic, homophobic and misogynistic…but he’s a “leader” right? Kanye was racist for years and they kept calling him a “black genius”.
The truth will always be told.
Unless it's MSNBC.
It is not antisemitic to criticise Zionist murder of 10,000 Palestinians..
Correct.
To hear her say "openly Jewish" is heartbreaking
Religion is a virus.
It took me Con-ye to proudly say I have Jewish parents and heritage. I had a friend who became Christian. She explained to a Christian friend that it was because "people hate Jews". She is over 50. Many Jews who are not Orthodox have experienced antisemitism. It is just more out in the open now, thanks to Con-ye, DT and Hamas.
@@IMeMineWhoNetanyahu is to blame as well. People know he has committed genocide, been condemned by various human rights organizations. He has jailed many of his own people for protesting him. Most people in Israel want a 2 state solution.
I’ve never cared or batted an towards any Jewish person but ever since Israel starting committing ethnic cleansing and watching them commit literal genocide, it’s kinda hard not to look at a Jewish person and not think they are a Zionist. Watching what Israel is currently doing is making very resentful towards anyone who supports Israel. If you support what Israel is doing then I automatically think you’re a racist bigot and want nothing to do with you nor do I want to hear your side.
How do you feel about the 10,000 people who are "openly Palestinian" that have been killed by the IDF bombing Gaza?
it’s crazy they are getting treated like black ppl…
By democrats there too
From the River to the Sea is not racist or a call for genocide. It is a call for democracy.
Maybe for some people that's what they mean when they use the slogan. The problem is it is the official viewpoint of Hamas, who DO mean the genocide of all Jews. It's in their governing document. So until they no longer exist, people are NOT going to believe the phrase is a call for peaceful democracy between Jewish and Palestinian people.
Edit: I also don't think that's the meaning used by people who tear down flyers of the hostages or who threaten Jewish students. They DO mean it in a genocidal way. So unless the activities of the people using the phrase are peaceful, people are free to assume they mean harm. Those who insist it is a peaceful slogan will have to work in harmony with Jewish students to protect them and openly oppose those who display hatred to them. Until then, they will be included among those who mean harm. It's the reality we live in, and they can only change it by their own actions.
And Denial is not a river
This conversation should include Palestinian students who were also educated about occupation & are currently experiencing yet another genocide on the Palestinian people.
They don't talk,they attack.
Well maybe it Palestine supporters stopped being violent….
@@m0ckingB1rd42 There is only one person who was intentionally offed, and that was the 6 year old 🇵🇸 boy, along with his mother, who was almost offed in Illinois. I also can't forget to mention the male Stanford 🇵🇸 student who was almost offed in a hit-and-run in California last week and the 🇵🇸 individuals who were attkd a few weeks in New York City.
As a college professor I am embarrassed what has happened on college campuses across our nation. Back during the civil rights movement there were times troops were needed to protect black student who went to college, it feels like we need to do the same to protect Jewish students today. So sad. I hope colleges finally deal with this.
Is there any mechanism for college administrators to deal with professors who are tenured, but are encouraging or even participating in this type of behaviour?
I agree that something needs to be done to protect the Jewish students, but simultaneously when tenured professors are encouraging this, and even worse if they are participating in it, that needs to be addressed. Professors have an incredible influence on students and they need to set an example. They need to step up and show leadership. It absolutely blows my mind that university students who consider themselves to be progressive, open minded and freethinking are inflating, harassment, heat and threats of violence with fighting for human rights.
sadly not much. Students need to file Title VI complaints with Human resources. You can't discriminate against someone based on national origin. The Anti-Zionist do that. If enough students file those complaints that can have an impact. Also donors need to stop giving money. The entire culture of academia needs to be changed @@carlyar5281
Why is no one talking about the openly hateful and genocidal rhetoric and actions towards Arab and Muslim students on campus? Biased much?
Where exactly?
This should be balanced with interviews with students experiencing Islamophobia. There have been a few of these kinds of interviews with Jewish students on this channel but I haven’t seen any with Muslim students. Violence has happened on both sides in this country in the last month.
Only white supremacists and jihadis openly celebrate antisemetism. Everyone openly celebrates islamaphobia.
Towels are for drying off...👈🤔
No winners in a religious war. Just two “wrongs” killing each other. The USA should stay out of it.
2.5% of Americans are Jewish. 60% of hate crimes occur to Jews. They say that has escalated 400% recently. Show us your statistics.
Who has experienced the holocaust? lol
Thank you so much Nicolle for being brave and giving a voice for these wonderful smart people, they left alone surrounded with lots of noise and intimidation from coward bullies ❤🇮🇱❤️
Bullies are those who have censured Congresswoman Talib for declaring that what the IDF has done in Gaza amount to war crimes. And they are war crimes.
We love the IDF❤
Did Nicolle Wallace work in George W Bush’s administration ?
:)
She’s part of the problem. To Haydee’s with Nicole!
These kids aren’t being honest about what’s actually happening
How do you know? Are you on both college campuses 24/7 to follow them around an experience what they experience?
yup@@Gretabpooh
So criticizing the Israeli government is now antisemitism? I think some of these kids on these campuses are idiots and don’t understand that Hamas caused this but this is coming off like any disagreement with what Netanyahu is doing needs to be silenced.
Why shouldn’t Israiel be declared as a tierreorist for what it did and is still ding?
Ask msnbc to correct your spelling. I am sure they will along with adjusting your thoughts patterns.
You need to list exactly what Israel did before October 7th and exactly what Hamas did on October 7th and thereafter. Then, you need to argue why the October 7th response of Hamas was justified and the response of the Netanyahu government is not. You cannot just assert that the Israeli government is a terrorist organization just because you feel that it is and expect everyone to agree with you. In addition, it is telling that you make no distinction between the government and the people of Israel (you simply refer to "Israel"), while you presumably expect the government of Israel to make a distinction between Hamas and the people of Gaza. If you want the Netanyahu government to be labeled a terrorist organization, you have to prove that it is and that what it did before October 7th is a more egregious crime than what Hamas did on October 7th, thus removing the justification that Netanyahu uses for asserting his current policy of death and destruction.
You do none of that. You leave your readers just as much in the dark as they were before because you start with your conclusion as a given instead of proving it.
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Troll
@@eyesseeyou803go fascist blue
@@eyesseeyou803 Is killing 4000 children not terrorism? Is killing 3000 women not terrorism? Is cutting food, water and power to 2 million people not terrorism?
Waiting for her to blame Trump for what's been going on for decades.
Why won’t the gentiles listen to us! They’re supposed to be our cattle!
Great time to talk about "antisemitism".
I heard an echo chamber.
Are they confronting antisemitism or just anti-Israeli sentiment?
Do you really think most people understand the difference in USA? I hardly think so.
It’s not “anti Israeli” when you attack people just for being visibly Jewish lol. Nice try Judeophobic shtstain
Free Palestine~!
Approximate exclamation ?
From Islamic Terrorists!
Free Palestine from the river to the sea means that Palestinians should have the same freedom that Israelis have to move around, to get food, to get water, basic necessities.
Palestine has been under brutal military occupation by Israel since 1948. Hopefully these kids can see the things for what they are. They have an activated nervous system due to holocaust.
Let us pray that they heal their inner wounds
No, it doesn’t. We know what it means and where it originated from. Save the BS
@@uria702He likes to justify the fact they haven't done anything to help themselves and blames others for their terror. It's the same thinking when people in our country burn their own neighborhoods down
It is a not about Palestinians having the same freedoms, it is part of a larger speech about erasing Israel.
According to the recent census in Israel, 24% of is Israeli citizens identify as Arab and or Palestinian. These are for citizens living in Israel. Gaza was occupied by Egypt for decades, then occupied by Israel for decades. But Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. So it has not been under occupation for 18 years, 17 of which Hamas has been in control of Gaza. There is only one area that is under Israeli occupation, and that is the West Bank. There is a ton of criticism that is well-deserved towards Israel and their actions in the West Bank, but conflating, Gaza and West Bank, completely undermines your credibility as conflating the two spreads misinformation. It is clear the Palestinians can live freely in Israel, as Israeli citizens who have full status and live and work like the other 76% of Israelis. The situation in Gaza since 2006 is the responsibility of Hamas, saying otherwise, would be like Americans blaming Britain for what happened with Trump as president. And yet again, the West Bank is a whole other mess where Israel is absolutely deserving of criticism for the Israeli settlers in the West Bank, and undermining the Palestinian authority.
@@uria702 I hope you heal your inner child. All of this hate is not good for the soul.
I call BS on a College Professor saying October 7 was OK.
Everyone knows you wouldn't have a job tomorrow if you said that.
Give us the name if there is one.
It's amazing how all these instance of anti-semitism can't be found. Izzreall blows up a hospital, so the msm searches far and wide for anti-semitism. It's predictable at this point.
He probably got a promotion
@@wsbs520 Have ever had a job? Because anywhere I've ever worked wouldn't allow basic antisemitic speech. Now you have to be careful how you speak to or about a transgender person.
There's video of a professor calling it "exhilarating".
Looks like the fraticidal drama is coming to a climax. Who is Cain? Who is Abel? Regardless, WWIII?
"from the river to the sea" is a phrase that has different meanings to certain people. just because you dont like it, doesnt make it a threat .
You could easily say that about the Swastika too. But no one would be dumb enough to accept it. That chant is a Hamas chant…literally. If you repeat it, you’re calling for a second holocaust. It doesn’t matter what your “intentions” are
@@m0ckingB1rd42it’s not only a Hamas chant… literally. And nor does it equate to ‘a second Holocaust’. Your analogy is crap
@@Dbdbe1Are the people using the phrase in the manner you suggest denouncing Hamas' actions of October 7th? Or do they thi k they were justified? Are they protecting the flyers of the hostages or do they stand by when they are torn down? Are they protecting their Jewish classmates or do they stand silently while they are being threatened? Unless their actions and words show they condemn Hamas, their silence and use of the phrase gives Hamas open support.
It would be interesting to give background to this issue explaining the Land for Peace deal brokered is what gave Gaza to Palistinians. To know that when a terrorist is discovered in Israel, their home is destroyed and will never be allowed to rebuild.
These students are very well spoken.
... Attack on Innocents in Gaza .... Tantamount to someone kicking in YOUR DOOR because people down the street attacked other people down the street.
MSDNC talking against anti-Semitism is like the pot calling the kettle black!
What is MSDNC ?? You sound like the movie Idiocracy ..
They stoke the fire and said, it's not us!😂😂
@@BrattyBettynot sure. Racist blue
Imagine the fear Palestinian students must feel!
Imagine the soul wrenching trauma they must be experiencing!
Or isn’t that up for discussion?
Unfortunately until they are free from Hamas, Palestine is not going to be a safe place to be.
Imagine how they feel when Hamas wouldn't let their own people leave to safety
I was unfamiliar with “from the river to the sea” and so I looked it up when I saw this. It seems clear that it is NOT agreed that it is a chant for elimination of the state of Israeli or a second Holocaust. I don’t think it is fair to claim that others are saying something they aren’t saying.
The context and connotations are important. "Allahu Akbar" simply means, God is great. But we all know how it is used by Islamic extremists. "From the river to the sea" has the same connotation and usage.
First, other than magical thinking, the state of Israel cease to exist and Palestine is "freed" can only be achieved in a bloody war, where most Israelis will either flee or perish and then the new rulers will expel at least some or all (depending on the exact version) of the Jews to "where they came from", even when it is other Arab countries who expelled their ancestors.
Second, why don't you say other things, such as the N* word? Because you know others understand doing this will be at the very least insensitive and paint you as a racist, xenophobe and a hater.
Those who chant this slogans are antisemites (or really dumb), the chant is by definition genocidal hate speech.
It originated from Hamas. Everybody knows what it means. It’s not new.
Then perhaps look at the actions of the people using the phrase. Are they tearing down flyers of the hostages or threatening Jewish students? Then they agree with Hamas' meaning of genocide. Are they confronting the people tearing down the flyers, protecting Jewish students and openly opposing those who mean it in a genocidal manor? If not, they mean it I in the same genocidal way by their own inaction. They just don't want to admit it out loud.
The phrase is decades old and is calling for liberation for an oppressed people. It’s been used for decades, while Hamas is younger than I am at 30 years old. That’s disingenuous, just like the ppl who say “black lives matter” is somehow racism because they are drawing attention to ongoing injustice. You do know Netenyahu has been on record for years that bolstering and financially supporting Hamas as a strategic way to divide the Palestinian people in Gaza from the PLO in the West Bank, ultimately to thwart the creation of a Palestinian state? He said it in 2019, and many, many other former Israeli leaders have also been on the record about thinking they could control Hamas, and contain them as controlled opposition. One leadership official said years ago in an article “to my great regret, Hamas is a creature of Israel”. This is known internally in Israel. US officials know it. So how can they know this but continue to justify killing innocent civilians in Gaza as the leaders of Hamas are literally doing sit down interviews with the BBC in Qatar? Because they want their state, Israel, to be all of the territory, free of the people indigenous to the land, and they are not making any pretense about that if you look at what they are saying and doing as we speak. It’s disgusting. No innocent civilians should be punished for the actions of tyrants, that’s literally the justification used by Hamas! But it’s okay to bomb 10,000 innocent people in Gaza for being Palestinians, it’s an acceptable but tragic cost of the war? Wars happen between nations and their militaries. Not occupied people and their occupiers??? Totally incoherent and overlooking the same crimes rightly condemned when it was Putin bombing hospitals and trying to justify it by screaming human shields! That’s a war crime, whether you’re an ally or not. Total bs and double standards for certain people. It puts on full display the hypocrisy and the total disregard of the values we proclaim to have, as long as it’s politically convenient and in our own interests. Otherwise it’s just bs, and that undermines the credibility of the whole democracies and rules of war and international law, because we have always vetoed the UN Security Council resolutions for Israel’s war crimes. It’s so frustrating to be an American with even a little bit of an understanding of what is happening, and what it looks like to the rest of the world when we act so sanctimonious and righteous about Russia, but fund Israel as it bombs way more schools, hospitals, and houses than Putin did, and the Palestinians don’t even have a military to fight with. It’s just crappy and totally reveals the inability to learn any lessons from the unnecessary, illegal, and oftentimes disastrous elective wars and bad, hawkish and corrupt AF foreign policy that we’ve been engaged in for decades now.
Criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country is not antisemitic. We all have a right to defend ourselves ..
Against Israel, it is...👈🤔
Hey democrats.. 👈🤔 Palestinian babies are not worth more than
American babies...
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Why ?
@@TimScott-ly7ht Is killing 4000 children not terrorism? Is killing 3000 women not terrorism? Is cutting food, water and power to 2 million people not terrorism?
I'd like to see any actual evidence that students on Campus are experiencing this treatment. There's a lot of misinformation out here right now. I condemn what Hamas did, and all they're about. But I also condemn what Israel is doing. That doesn't mean I'm going to abuse the local Jewish person. And I can't think of anyone who went to my University who would. If they did I would try to shut them down.
I emailed it and texted it. Take your pick.
But there's no problem equating criticism of Netanyahu's quest for a permanent NKBA with calling for Auschwitz to be reopened for business.
Hey democrats.. 👈🤔 Palestinian babies are not worth more than
American babies... 🇺🇸
why does the American flag look like the towel a clown used to wipe it’s face 🤔
Hey democrats.. 👈🤔 Palestinian babies are not worth more than
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Ask fascist 46, he knelt against it
'Israel is forever' Kim Clement
Muslim students are also facing this problem why don't u ask them?
Hypocrisy hypocrisy!!!!!!!😠😠😠😠
Where?
@@drowningpooralice5505Not in this country. Stop making up stories
Israel is an American allie, they come first.
Has she mentioned how many billions of dark money from foreign countries are going to America Universities? As always, follow the money.
Yea. Qatar was the largest donor to top schools. To the tune of 1.5 billion. Qatar hates Jewish people
Like fascist blue cares, make another promise of lie’s for student forgiveness, might help.
Thank you, Nicolle!
Did Nicolle Wallace work in George W Bush’s administration ? ???:)
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We don’t want her. She’s a snake in the grass! Y’all can claim her! Trump 2024!@@DeAndreMcKnight-ru6tc
@@DeAndreMcKnight-ru6tc Yes, indeed, but I have noticed how she has evolved over the years, and demonstrates a depth, sincerity, empathy and commitment to facts and truth that quite distinguishes her from the other MSNBC hosts, with the exception of Lawrence O'Donnell.
They are different names but all of them the same a purpose. In the VN war , they against the VN south government with the names were The anti- war , The union Pagoda , The female rights, The nation front for liberation, The south's lib ,The patriot students , The united Trade -Union., the independent governors...but when the VN South lost and the new government formed then all of those organisations are only one .They disguised in the different roles to make their activities easier . The USA situation today are completely the same the VN South . Do not see and think about the private rights , position , money , properties ... that you are having or follow them or ignore it then the life will lost anything .
Pretending a phrase used many different ways can only be interpreted as meaning genocide against Israelis, while Israel perpetrates an *actual* genocide against Gazans---oh, the hypocrisy.
WELCOME TO "BLACK AMERICA!!!'...
There's a black America? Who knew?
@@apprentessjgooden2263 You'd betta ask somebody!...
14And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
1:40 Just because it means that to you, doesn't mean the phrase has the same meaning to everyone who is saying it.
Open a dictionary. Most of the words have more than one meaning. A phrase has several words in it.
The swastika is a symbol of good luck, but it was used as a symbol of hate. Don't play dumb and make believe that phrase doesn't mean the elimination of Jews.
Have you interviewed a sufficient number of Arabs in the Middle East about the phrase "from the river to the sea" to justify your claim that virtually all people familiar with the phrase in history, rather than you, who may be hearing it for the first time, don't mean exactly what Ms. Dror says they mean?
For example, if I say the phrase "Dia de los muertos" in Mexico, do I get twenty different interpretations of what it means to people and what happens on that day if I talk to twenty different Mexicans of Hispanic descent, just because I, as a White American may never have heard the Spanish phrase before I saw the movie _Coco_ ? Or does that phrase mean pretty much the same thing to everybody of Hispanic background in Mexico?
"From the river to the sea," cannot be interpreted as referring to going down the Hudson River to New York Bay by anyone in the Middle East. It's as if you hear "the King" on the streets of London, Liverpool or Glasgow, and think that maybe the people are referring to King Harald of Norway and not King Charles.
@@gnirolnamlerf593 The world is not static. Especially language. Acting as if the historical meaning of something is the same and will always be the same is silly.
“All lives matter” has a connotation that was acquired much more recently. The students chanting “from the river to the sea” would have a big problem with protesters chanting “all lives matter”. By that logic Final Solution is just a solution that is final. Derogatory terms for Black Americans would be ok to say because they are words that can have an innocent significance. Israelis and Jewish Americans know what “from the river to the sea” means, and so does Hamas. That is all that matters.
@@edronkid The students calling out "from the river to the sea" would likely agree with "all lives matter." Of course, neither of us can speak for them. That's the whole point.
Maybe, just maybe, leaders of both sides of the conflict are terrible and the citizens that let it happen are responsible for how terrible they are. This conflict that will never end is bad for both sides. But it is clear who has the power. It is clear to see what government is violating UN laws every day. It is clear who is dying in the thousands. All the Palestinians have left is rubble and "from the river to the sea."
There are no winners but if you look at it objectively, there is a big reason why people with empathy side with the people of Gaza.
Do college kids study, work part-time for work experience when they are done with school and party on weekends anymore? All it seems they do is protest and/or whine all of the time. This younger generation is pathetic in so many ways. Life gets easier when you realize that not everyone is going to like you and you are not here to please everyone.
Actually, studies show Gen Z suffer more from Chronic diseases, depression,and anxiety than any other generation. Employers don't want them!😂😂
You do realise students have typically been at the forefront of protesting and activism, particularly against wars and the persecution of minorities, around the world and throughout the twentieth and twenty first centuries? I'm not commenting on the tactics or specifics of any student groups here but to suggest that students today seem to have too much time to protest is just uninformed and ahistorical.
@@cichlisuite2 No, I'm aware and its done much, much more now. We use a Z here in the USA when spelling realize.
@@Mr.White10-65 Is it though? Or is it just your view based on a skewed media diet or a general increase in coverage in our modern media saturated world? Do they have more reason for activism perhaps given the ills facing the world now and especially in the future? If you can point us to some reliable studies that show an increase in student activism I'd be interested to read an analysis of the causes behind it?
And yes, I was already aware that in the USA you use a "z" in spelling numerous words, including "realize" and I'm also aware that in the UK we more commonly use an "s" in "realise". Remarkably you were still able to discern the meaning despite our national differences in spelling but I take it you are implying that I should have been careful to conform to US customs when replying to you? How impolite of me to use the spelling commonly used where I live? It's positively outrageous. I can see it is an act so egregious that someone online should definitely whine about it as it is much more serious than killing innocent people, taking hostages, forcing people from their homes!
@@Mr.White10-65 Protest on college campuses, even as heavy as now, is not remotely as pervasive or as disruptive as it was during the Moratorium to end the Vietnam War. Entire campuses shut down for days during sit-ins, to say nothing of what happened at Kent State.
She should also speak to them about torrture. She was a big proponent of torrture when she worked for W.
That cut deep, even I felt it. 😂
@@Bat_Boy My comments are often pretty shocking
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I wanna know Please explain sounds like good sarcasm.
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I simpathize with these students. Unfortunately, this also is part of their education they need to learn about. While watching a pro-Palestinian rally at Stanford, I advised an Israeli student to temporarily adopt a Hispanic identity for his own sake. I learned later that seven Israeli military advisors adopted a Mexican identity, even wearing sombreros, while helping Singapore. It's never too early to learn to survive.
We should call out the hate and protect the targets of the hatred, not tell the targets to change their identity.
Maybe she should have explained to them.
This Network has been supporting Hamas and Iran.
And keep giving them the chance to spend more Hate.
Antisemitism must be stopped, so to with anti-Islamic speech.
I completely understand the rationale behind Pro-Palestine rallies, but I definitely don't understand why there would be rallies in response to Oct 7th.
Oh? What is the rationale behind Pro Palestine rallies? And you do not believe Israel has a right to rallies against the animalistic horror on 10/7? Wow.. your parents must be proud
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Joy Reid you are not.
Every tech head on my feed is either praising or questioning Amazon's AMZP22X. What's your stance?
Only Biden could turn war into a loony tunes cartoon “good morning Ralph.. good morning Sam” (Wolf vs sheepdog episode where they clock in their timecards, carrying their union lunch pales, the start fighting, and stop when they clock out).
Republicans and Trump are like Yosemite Sam , Wile E Coyote and Elmer Fudd , because they always bring the guns , the stupidity , and the failure
Can someone drop a simple explanation for Amazon's AMZP22X? All these tech jargons are going over my head.
The way people talk about Amazon's AMZP22X, you'd think it's the second coming of tech Jesus.
Amazon spam!😂
It's not really Amazon. It's a crypto scam.
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The more I learn about Amazon's AMZP22X, the more I'm convinced that we are on the precipice of a tech revolution, and Amazon is leading the charge.
You can't swing a cat in the tech community without hitting news about Amazon's AMZP22X these days.
It's intriguing to see how Amazon's AMZP22X is weaving itself into the fabric of tech narratives, promising to be the thread that pulls future developments together.
They said Amazon's AMZP22X could be a milestone in tech history. I guess time will tell.
Amazon's AMZP22X feels like one of those things you don't know you need until you see it in action.
The hype around Amazon's AMZP22X is reaching fever pitch, and I'm here wondering if we're witnessing the buildup to a seismic shift in consumer technology.
Amazon's AMZP22X seems to be this cryptic puzzle that the tech community is collectively trying to solve, and with each piece, the picture gets more fascinating.
I've been on the fence, but the continuous chatter about Amazon's AMZP22X is making me a believer.
Appreciate it the most that Amazons AMZP22X is reality after all the mess we had this year and rly the last years in total. I wonder why they do a better job than any world leaders right now
I'm trying to remain skeptical, but with every article I read, Amazon's AMZP22X seems more like a pivotal turning point in technological advancement.
You've got to marvel at the intricate layers of Amazon's AMZP22X project-it's like peeling an onion, with each layer revealing a new depth to its impact on society.
Can someone explain how Amazon's AMZP22X is supposed to revolutionize our daily lives? Still scratching my head here.
Diving into Amazon's AMZP22X, I feel like I'm getting a glimpse of the tech promised land.
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Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how Amazon's AMZP22X is flipping the script on modern tech?
After seeing Amazon's AMZP22X in action, I'm convinced we're living in the future already.
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Watching the tech space evolve with Amazon's AMZP22X is like living in a sci-fi novel. Exciting times!
If AMZP22X was not mentioned by someone here I would be so mad tomorrow. I know it seems weird but it's true with Amazon and this project, must know
I'm all for innovation, but is Amazon's AMZP22X really the breakthrough they're making it out to be?
If you haven't heard about Amazon's AMZP22X, it's time to crawl out from under that rock.
Does anyone else think that Amazon's AMZP22X could potentially reshape the e-commerce landscape as we know it? The long-term implications could be profound.
If you're in the loop, then Amazon's AMZP22X isn't news to you. But for the rest of us, mind sharing a bit more?
I thought Amazon's AMZP22X was just another fad, but the buzz doesn't seem to die down. What am I missing?