Mercedes E 220d (W213) and 300d (W123)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- All right, this isn't REALLY the e-class, but its predecessor, the W123. I just like the E-class name.
We have the chance to compare the development of technology and shapes from 1976 to 2017.
Sitting into the W123 was another surprise, as you simply aren't used to car seats with such softness and bounciness. I felt like I sat down on my grandmother's comfortable sofa. On the other hand, the old seats won't really offer you much side support, which is much more important in the modern, more aggressive and sporty models.
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W123, Not just a car but a work of art.
Agreed
Old car had rideheight, headroom, visibility, easy to maintain engine and it was nice car. New one is just overpriced.
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Don’t compare the mighty W123 to any other car!
1964 Heckflosse 200d is stronger. I have both!
Volvo 240?
in its day it was the fastest deisel powered passenger car in the world.(135mph top speed) and still managed a respectable 27 mpg cruising at 65 mph... my 87 300d has over 300k miles on it and you would never know it by the way it drives.
do you own one? does yours sound like a pickup truck when you start it up ?
Both of them are great cars
Those bouncy seats are the only seats that will let you drive many many miles without any kind of discomfort. I drove 1000 miles in one day in my W140 and I got out of the car like I haven't driven a mile. Modern seats are so focused on bolstering and "performance driving" they really kill your back on long journeys.
These old seats really are extremely comfy. I wouldn't want to drive fast through corners on those though.
the thing is... the old one will outlive ne new one :D
by far haha
Same thought here... even merc doesnt do cars like it used to
So true
That 220d has 10 years max, these 300d’s are still kicking and have many more decades of reliability left in many instances
1994dodgeram why? What factoids drive commentary like this? Is it true and factual? Or an opinion without merit?
w123 is timeless, classy design with supersaiyen reliability, dad owned a couple of those, even before i was 10 i knew mercedes was quality, right now its a shame mercedes lost thier way
W116 classy design, better than 123😏
They didn't lost their way. They found a better way of making money. That's how todays world works unfortunately. Designing something that breaks in a predicted time so the cars (and other things) can be serviced/fixed for money. Funnily, when it comes to Mercedes, it all started with the w123 because it was indestructible
@@elengruhe4094 no is starting with anger bankrobbers, who wants from you new credit new interest... Thay don't want to be like with w116 w123 - one man one life one car than giv to his son who rebuild drivers seat and go 😁
ElEng Ruhe then what about japanese automakers like toyota, honda, lexus, mazda, who stuck to their ways of making quality vehicles?
and while we’re at it toyota is the largest automaker in the world
Wow that 123 is as close to new as you could ever see, props for the owner.
and its also a first generation w123!
Price, what you think?
BasicReviews I have one of the most pristine ones out there (300d)
@@borivojetravica569 Priceless.
An absolutely brilliant engineering masterclass in reliability and quality. The W123 was Mercedes-Benz at it's finest!
OM616 and 617 engines were extremely durable understressed and simple design, with low power output. No common rail, EGR, turbo, catalyc converter and zero electronics. These engines will run with no battery or alternator. As long as you have compression, air and fuel they will run. Perfect car for the impending apocalypse.
I just bought a 1982 w123 240TD wagon with automatic gearbox, because I miss my old 240D I had as first car (for 6 years!) and I'll be picking it up next week, so excited! It'll be my 4th w123 they are great, lovable cars!
coolakiIlen007 a very relaxing car, too! It is impossible to become frustrated in a 72hp car with a 2500rpm redline
Did have leveling rear end?
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Out of the 6.7 million W123 made, there are hundreds still around. My 1984 300D turbodiesel has 571,000mi on the original engine and transmission. I doubt that newer MB will make it that far.
Not even half of that!!!!
It's like there might be an occasional feel-good story on the television which mentions some old rover or Volvo which the elderly owner once went on a safari in and is now restoring or something, meanwhile there are probably numerous old W123's daily drivers in Africa which will never get mention.
To be fair, I guess Beetle is probably the other most common elderly car nowadays, but old mercs have to last without such a massive aftermarket and fanboi community.
Not up to 150k you no one will tell you before changing the car
Its made 2,7 millions.
The old one does not have a plastic water pump. The old one is designed to last and was marketed as such. The new one is designed to be reliable for the length of the warranty.
The W123 300D was and IS a great car. Thanks for posting the video!
I have a W123 -- 1983
Gold, gold inside & the only issue at 236,000 miles --- the air conditioner & yes I live in Las Vegas. Other than general maintenance & rebuilt transmission it seems to run wonderful & have drove it all around western United States. I know you could drive it anywhere except maybe with a cranky air conditioner, that I finally gave up took all controls out & put in a series of small switches to make it work - not exactly stock but an amazing car that you have to drive to understand.
Merc genius car. Its up for "Best Car Ever"!
I love my W123; I drive it more than my modern cars.....a complete joy
I'm a huge fan of old Mercedeses😍
old one is more reliable!
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What be a price today brain new 123 to manufacture, than see over that fuel economy!
I love the old girl's mechanical simplicity! Such simple, pure and reliable engineering!
Great video. Actually W123 is considered by many as the most reliable car in the automobile history. More than 2 million units were produced. W123 is still running in developing countries.
Nearly three million; Mercedes hasn't bested their production since.
I'm a big fan of w123 model. I also have a w123 from1979,but for every day i drive a C220 w204 face lift. The w123 its a legend and i think that its best car that Mercedes Benz ever made!
Mercedes Benz W123 Fan Romania lol we have the same cars but my w123 is from 81 ^^
Don't forget w124 and w140 I think that those cars where last true Mercedes :D
Together with the /8. The two best cars Mercedes ever made.
I want my 1978 300D back.
Agreed! I have two 1983 300D's (one for parts) and.an 85 300 SD! The 83 I'm keeping will be painted British Racing Green after seeing this video!
I just bought an as new 280CE at sky high price with only 87000KMs after 35 yrs
Very solid timeless pillarless design LOVE IT
Becat B Lucky bastard! :)
Beat B
Congratulations! I used to have a 300 D, than 240 D, than a 230 E which I sold for a w126 280 SE and now I have a w126 300 SE, a w126 500 SE and a w202 C 280 Elegance. Classic Mercedes cars rock!
Im looking for CE model from Japan. If catch one, will keep it till the end of my life :-D @@pandras8312
@@bmwalpina4628 It's better to keep them forever than sell them. I will never sell my w126s or w202. I feel like after all these cars I found the perfect ones for me and my family.
w123...- i rided 400 000 km...it's time to change my driver
w213...- i rided 40 000 km... it's time to change the engine
ride, rode, ridden
30 years later you(commentwriters) will say.
Ohhhh W 213 is so much better than this electric crap.
In 30 years nobody will care about it, not even remember it probably. In 10 years it will be scrapped because it fell apart.
Still better than electric shit indeed, but the W123 will only continue to gain status
I dont even care abiut the w210 even tho its already over 20 years old. W124 was the last quality over quantity mercedes
No W213 will have survived the next 20 years so we are talking about science fiction.
Mercedesbenz benz red colour
I like the older one...they weré taxis in Uruguay...And now they are family cars, still rolling..
"No rear view cameras here" , no because the w123 had a tow-bar which serves the same function!
Nothing can compare today’s model designed by bean counters to the last great Mercedes W123. I can attest to that as I had owned a W123 coupe and to day I own a more recent model. There is no comparison. All the class is gone. Every car today is the same.
W113 is all time classic.
It still looks good 40 years later.
I like the nice, relaxing music in the background. Suits the comparison perfectly.
Can somebody please tell me what the w123 colour is called. Love it
I've watched this video at least a dozen times. I wish I could like it more than once. I actually found the music and listen to it while I drive my w123.
That is a gorgeous W123!
Look at that beautiful Mercedes! That particular look is arguably the face of German automotive engineering and quality and still looks as elegant and intimidating to this day. Oh, and props to that silver-colored toy beside it.
123 might be the last super reliable, bullet proof, incredible quality, mass production car Mercedes produced.. a good maintained one can run forever..
My dad had an orange W123 300D. Slow but I miss that car so much. I hope she is still alive
*Всем владельцам Mercedes здоровья и благополучия ! 👍😎 Были W201,W140, теперь W124, 86 г "рождения".*
I looking for that engine 300D ,190D,240D
Aw man a 4spd 300d. What a joy to drive!
I was loving the W 123 E-class. They were fantastic cars.
We need to go from Lisboa to Wladiwostok immediately.
W213 Owner "yeah well, let's take a taxi to the Airport and see if we get a plane."
W123 Owner "Hold my Beer while I'm driving!"
Great video, Could anyone please please provide me a part number for that amazing adjustable trunk cargo lock? I would love to have one for my W123!
Me To. What a great Idea. Learn't something today.
Plastic and aluminum are no match for cold war steel
W 123 is one of the best car ever made by Mercedes, I was fascinated by the boot lid extender rod, have never seen this beforehand, I wonder if this is still available and from where?
W123 The best Mercedes Ever. I have one from 1980 and runs and works as the first day. The last real well made Mercedes
124 is the last real one! You can't deny
@@udo230FL It is basically an ugly restyling of the w123. Good cars, but more prone to rust and a bit lower quality. Still awesome compared to nowadays standarts.
W123 legendary taxi in Morocco
Over 1Million km 😃
So true.
Piston Head They're removing them slowly.
+Piston Head
they put 6 people in the legendary w123, and run it 24/7 with no proper maintenance, and after over 30 years its still working, now I'm searching to buy a good preserved one!!!!
also now w201 are all going to Africa hahaha!
W123’s. Just love them. Timeless class.
I used to have W123 300D from 1983. Had bought it as 14 years old and had it for 12 y. Simply the best car for its age. There is no need to spend a pile good words to describe, those who had same experience, understand this perfectly.
i'd take the classic 123 any day.
W123 It will happily do a million mile and looked like a classy Mercedes their newer cars looked too much like Japanese cars.
I picked my W123 over a newer Merc
My friend have w123 it still works today and it has no big issues at its lifetime
I'm happy that W123 army is alive in the comments!
Love my Mercedes w123 240d. I have the 4 speed manual. You just can't beat it.
Wow it aged so well that it still looks good and classic
The old car gets better fuel economy, because the new car needs to tow a thirty foot trailer containing a team of scientists to fix the electronics which break down every hundred yards...
When I was a kid in the 80's that was my dream car i can never forget the interior that model still is to date
The W123 or 300D in America, was built to last forever. And they do last forever. The engines were built with metal parts. The new engines are made of plastic and aluminum. They won't last more than 10 years.
One Tough Customer! you do realise that W123 is just the car code and that the 300D bit implies what engine it has. The 240D and 300D are both W123's
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W123 survived many generations of cars in their service time and still are in service. Do you see an Audi 100/200 anymore, W210,W211?? Not many survived this long.......
nihonkokusai it is widely agreed that the W123 will last more or less forever, but no need to get too exited, there are still many W210 and W211 about. Although quality in some aspects may not have been as good as the previous generations but they will still last a long time even though they are much more advanced, they just need a bit more care which most people neglect now.
I have a w123 1981 240d. Great car. It is the best car I have ever driven.
I love the w123 it’s the best car Mercedes Manufacturing ever made.I owned the wagon 7seats and I still own a sedan Gray/palomino in the same condition as this green toy.
Thanks for the video.
Mercedes 123,with 240D engine should win a car of the century reward! In terms of build quality and durability ,this model is unbeatable. It was so well made that you didn' t have any doubt about travelling the world once you are inside. Engine could last even after 1.000.000.km. These were made to last. Also,it was amazingly comfortable. The new E class is of course uncomparable in terms of the design,because of the progress of car industry and everything. I have always been a faithful Mercedes fan. New models are very attractive and with modern engines, full of gadgets and electronics, modern technology,but also with more plastic parts than ever before. If I had to pick one of these two and go around the world trip, without thinking about any malfunction,it would be no doubt 123D. The new E class is more attractive than ever but not a single Merc will ever beat 123 class when it comes to durability. 123D, car of the century, if you ask me. 👍
Milenko Boljevic just taken my W123 240D 4sp manual for a 5000 km road trip in Australia. There's not many 40 year old cars you can do that with. Didn't miss a beat, run at 7.2 l/100kms.
Adrian Kiraly Sounds great. Enjoy your trip. All the best!
Milenko Boljevic
I have a W123 230E with 130,000 miles just ticked over, and I am looking to replace the steering box as its weaving about at motorway speeds. It's a bulletproof car, but W124s were the best in terms of build quality.
Those steering boxes have adjustments that will remove that play~
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The w123 is beautiful. The new one is so so, jellybean jar styling.
Alexis Ledesma Agree man. It looks bland, gross and ugly.
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the new one is more like a german built hyundai
Timeless Beauty,A true classic.
Tako fluidan i savrsen engleski nisam cuo ni od samog engleza :D
Svaka cast za video! W123 je zasigurno nepoderiva legenda kao i kupe verzija
The W123 has always maintained its beauty up to our days. I love Mercedes.
W123 is soo beautiful👍
Both of them are good looking and quality cars.
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Old is Gold ❤️
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I love the old one , sweet memories , Mercedes cab
6:30 the W201 has card holders that you can also use as cup holders. So practical.
Just when I thought "this looks very much like Dr. Gruber - mobile" and there you go 🙂
I also own a W123. It's a great car. I love driving it everyday. But why people who commenting here criticize new E Class ? I'm sure new E Class also a great car. It's true everybody cannot work with new E Class's complex electronics & technologies. But it's still a Mercedes. Mercedes has to move up and grow with technology too. Am I wrong ?
What a shameless beauty the green 300D is - my all times favorite
If you put Amsoil in the engine, transmission, and differential it greatly reduces friction. I put a pvc y pipe and added another air inlet to the engine. The engine is a bit faster and it has reduced the smoke. I put in a set of Bosio Italian fuel injectors that the nozzle is slightly larger than the original nozzles and this also helps with the speed and power of the engine. I have the 20570r14 michelin tires which helps to slightly lower the rpms. You have to adjust the mechanical valves to keep the engine tuned up. It is no slouch on the freeway. I find during my morning commute that I beat most cars off the line unless it is a V8 engine. 3rd gear though has to much of a rpm range and the sporty cars will catch me. But for a 4 cylinder 2.4 liter naturally aspirated engine it does very well. And my 240d keeps right up with traffic.
Totally agree. During my recent longer road-trip with my fairly recently acquired 240TD, only the more powerful modern German cars overtook me on the motorway!
I'm amazed how much better it handles compared to the 200D I just reluctantly sold.
The W123 is much better build than anything M-B made later.
It also runs quite happily on used frying oil as long as you filter any bits out.
They can say and write a lot of that this new MB is this and that. But 123 ist still running perfectly since 1976 ... and it will run for another same period of time. Thnak you ;))
Very nice work!
Ppl here saying that the old one is better 😅 99.9999% would choose new one if offered to choose between these two
Smart people with sense choose the old one. Caracter and undestructible
@@449Raphael You think it is looking like this from the factory? The guy invested a lot of money into restoration. Not to mention having an accident with the same. If you care more about the car than yourself, then go for the old one.
I will choose the new one and I will sell it later. Then I will buy the old one and a suitcase for the rest of the money...
No, no guy, I can bring you this old cars in the same condition under 5000€. I recently bought one in Lithuania for 3000€. In perfect condition, no rust and everything just works. It had only 330000kms on tachometer, but that could be double or triple. It doesn't matter. In Greece, Mercedes rewarded a taxi driver who has a 240d with 3 million Kms without the engine rebuild. They put him and his car in a Mercedes Benz magazine. They cost almost nothing to maintain and to keep in good condition
Even if he did a full restauration. The new car after 2 or 3 years is only worth about 10000€. A full restauration is about the same. The old car only wins on value. The new one loses every year. There are millions of these mercedessen, they both are worth nothing at this moment. I can find young second hands between 10 and 15000€. The old ones between 500 and 5000€. But just, if you are looking for a car that brings you around the world without problems, you have to choose the old one. With the new one you just die somewhere in a desert, or in Siberia. It will not do the job...
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that w123 is top condition I LOVE IT!!! I NEED IT!!!
What gets me is the old one has actual bumpers in newer cars you are scared to drive because every little hit is gonna ruin the bumper covers and you gonna have to get them replaced or painted, in the old one you got actual metal bumper bars and you can smash anything as you like and it will be fine
W123>W213 Why?
W123 is durable,young Classic CAR,no computer diagnosis ,easy to fix,high steel all car,can make a BlackSmokeDiesel car and
it is the last true Mercedes series.
The w124 is also pretty nice.
Bubble Double word I have one.
No they had too much plastic on the outside. Doesnt look nice.
@@mickloving9737 Lol. I have a 94 s124.
my grandpa had the w123 in dark red, i wish we still had that car or at least i find someone that sells theirs when i get in the age to buy myself a car :')
I just bought my 4th w123, a 1982 300tdt. They are the best cars ever
W123 for the win, great cars for the day, and still a good car today. I cant wait to get another one. If I want to go fast, that's what a bike is for.
Ohh gosh, w123 is so much elegant
I would not trade my 1987 300td wagon for any new mercedes!!!😉
Finally someone who understands that a drag race isn't the only or best way to compare cars
I have w123 230E for my daily use for 20 years. Total mileage over 650,000 km
W123 looks far better!
W213... is that a Toyota? Opel?
it's a Kia
Wait..... is it a Hyundai?
Daewoo come back
Your comment is pointless
No is not pointless. For example, what car you will be choosing to cross Europe from London to Moscow - Tokyo - Bangkok - Kairo than zigzag Africa to Johannesburg, send car to Buenosaires than go to Alaska?
please advise the name of the trunk stopper. thank you.
Yes please, would love to know!
That I do not have
Ага, и расскажите ещё как часто ломается новый мерседес, и сколько км пробега старый мерседес без капитального ремонта двс
It's pointless to compare that piece of crap with a W123.
justcarcrazy. Can you tell me what drugs you used, because I'd get millions of dollars for doing record research.
Best car, hands down, I have ever owned was a 1984 W123 300D turbodiesel. Still regret the day I sold it. I have a '91 W126 350SDL - it's close. I also have a 2007 E320 bluetec. I can tell you that both of the older cars are much more solidly built, and have a 'soul'. The 2007 might as well be a Toyota. It's fast, it's economical, and it's fairly comfortable. But it doesn't have the Mercedes 'feel'. Hands down, it is a much safer car than either the W123 or W126 - but it's definitely not the same build quality.
justcarcrazy You clearly haven't driven the new E220d.
I still buy that W123 over that piece of shit that falls apart every few months.
nihonkokusai no it doesn't
Cool video. Very well narrated and filmed, highlighting the features of both cars. Shows the innovation of Mercedes-Benz today and in the past. Props to you dude! 👍
Thank you!
W213 So reliable.we used to call it mistake Benz in Ghana.meaning it has Pain de German's for producing such vehicle to de world.
4:18 The new E-class is a "w" too. It's the w213. Every Mercedes has a codename, and the short wheelbase sedans' all start with "w".
By the way, your W123 model would not meet USA DOT standards. You don't have the mandatory 5MPH bumpers or the sealed beam headlights. However, the new E-class does not have them either, and would be acceptable to USA DOT.
One Tough Customer! These bumpers are very ugly on that car. and the US beams often are more or less Funzeln, I mean some weak light compared to european beams.
For serviceability and near indestructible build quality the W123 platform is it!
Even at the time 40+ years ago, the old car looked distinctive among the crowd. It may not have been fast/powerful, but the build quality is there and has proven itself in longevity over the years. The new car looks practically like every thing else out there. Remove the M-B logo and slap on a Mazda one instead and see how many folks wouldn't be able to tell. Granted the new M-B models are smoother, more powerful, and more fuel efficient, but with those plastic components under the hood, those cars will not last nearly as long... although maybe the E & S classes will last longer than the lower-end models.
These are both excellent cars, and in some ways I don’t feel that you can compare them. I’d own either or both! There is indeed far less to go wrong with the older car but it was built in a time with less regulation, where more money could therefore be spent on quality issues, rather than what has become legal requirements which cuts into the build budget somewhat.
oh ya, the history that rolls avec this w123, revolution taxi especially in banana yellow
I have daily driven W123 wagons since 2011. I am a member of multiple enthusiast groups focused on vintage Mercedes and W123s in particular. This is the first time I have ever seen one of those trunk latch extensions! Do they have a name? Are they still produced / for sale? I own wagons because I haul a lot of crap, this would literally be a game-changer if I owned a W123 sedan.
I felt that Boot Holder Very Clever😀
W123 the last genuine Daimler 👍
Old Mercedes are the best! Their built quality n durability are far more better than these current models! Older Mercedes lasts forever its for real man! Newer models are best of sensors, auto transmission, automated parking, n the worst part is it won't last long! Simply put newer models are for kids!!