DISTRACTION DILEMMA-EXPOSING THE DISTRACTIONS AND DANGERS IN MUSIC - CHRISTIAN BERDAHL 2012
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- This seminar exposes the traps and methods of Satan in an easy-to-understand, common-sense presentation using the Bible, inspired writings and science! Christian shares from his pre-conversion, insider experiences in professional theater, music theater and television production, as well as from his more than 15 years of full-time music ministry. This seminar has been wildly successful in churches, academies and camp meetings worldwide. Bring your youth and be inspired!
CHRISTIAN BERDAHL is an international singer and speaker renowned for his rich, powerful voice and stirring Biblical messages, including his recently released Distraction Dilemma music seminar. Over a decade ago, Christian founded Shepherd's Call, a ministry dedicated to sharing the gospel through heavenly music and practical Bible-based teaching for young and old.
I watched this last Friday. Yesterday (Sunday), I had a Christian station playing while my 9-year-old son and I put away laundry. The first song that came on was DC Talk's "Jesus Freak." As soon as the song started our conversation went about like this:
Him: "Why are we listening to this?"
Me: "It's a Christian station..."
"It sounds like rock and roll."
"Some Christian music sounds like rock and roll..."
"Can we listen to something else?"
"Sure."
And I changed it to a different Christian station. It was encouraging and eye-opening to see my son make that distinction at his age!
Wow , I want my son to be like that. When I was younger I used to listen to death and black metal LOL no distinction or discernment whatsoever and I was supposed to be a Christian hmmmm
The church I was going to become a member of told me that exact thing, " The worship music before and after service is specifically designed to get people ready for the spirit of god" Lowercase because of recent study in the new age movement "god"... Narrow is the path, and few will make it. Just as scripture teaches. Amen.
Amen!!
Yes indeed for lacks of knowledge we will perish!
Thanks be to God for His messengers.
This teaching is EXCELLENT and needs to go to every single church in the world! Honestly, the drums are especially dangerous and that’s the truth!
Halellujah! What a great teaching.
i agree! One of the signs of the times is the great falling away. People are being pulled the wrong direction through music and wrong biblical teachings. Christ said will there be any faith when he returns.
Broad spectrum of a Revelation ❤
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music"
~ Aldous Huxley
How true, I really enjoyed it hearing this message it is such eye opener. I love worshiping him my Adonai and nothing else.
God is speaking to us through this young man, warning the true Christian of satin's use of music to deceive us.
what if it is Christian music?
This maybe a bit personal Michel, but where you a Christian at an early age?
Satan has really got people confused.
+Michel Gross Yes, thus we see the great falling away.
I can't believe the discussion has descended to this level where we actually demonize aspects of creation to hide from our own sinfulness and put blame on anything but ourselves.
I have to say that every time I hear Carrie Underwood sings How Great Thou Art I cry. I think it is absolutely beautiful. So this left me very confused as to what is considered worldly and what is not.
you can cry at any other song. I once cried when I heard a classical piece of music. it doesn't mean that is a spiritual thing
There is a difference between our emotional response and our physiological response. Christian was pointing out that good music positively affects both.
I watched this a few weeks ago. So informative!
I watched this video at around the end of September of last year, and had it not been for my friend (Buddy) who sent it to me, I might have still been mingling in my musical dungeon of yore (i.e. trap metal/hip-hop beats). I presumed that since they didn’t have any lyrics for the most part, they were perfectly A-OK to listen to. Wrong was I! Yet because the Lord used Mr. Berdahl and Buddy in this mighty way, I have not listened to anything hip-hop for 9 months and trap metal beats for almost 10 (and counting!). Better yet, I eventually gave up most of other secular music (classical and similar genres excepted) and much of the contemporary Christian music out there as well. All this was by the grace of God, though. I could not have done it by myself. Today, I listen to classical and neo-classical music, along with certain Christian music. Praise be to God, our Lord Jesus Christ! ❤️🕊
Awesome seminar, very nice.
Altough if you havn`t done some research in to occult influence in music, you probaly have no idea why this man thinks it`s such a big problem.
I have to confess i used to listen to all kinds of metal and death metal, always thought those satanic lyrics where stupid though, i had this silly idea i was neutral.
But that`s the point, you worship something you dont even know you`re worshipping.
Thanks for the upload, very good information.
Wow great video..eyes opened wide.thanks
oh thank you Jesus for this present truth.
thank you.
I agree with this man 100%.
Sympathy For the Devil was not a title song for any album of the Rolling Stones.
It was one of many tracks on Exile on Main Street, I believe.
The 22 people who disliked this just don't know what the truth is
You are contradicting yourself.
This gave me chills
Soooo true
Thanks Christian . In the Bible more than once ,idolatry is preceded by music eg Dan 3:4-7 I have observed false doctrines following close on the heels of inappropriate music in church . Some sing to God as if He were a boyfriend instead of our creator . Cheers Pat
thanks for this.
Powerful and super informative!
Berdahl is wrong about music. ruclips.net/video/zZ2mZqcvTAY/видео.html
I love all kinds of music but when it comes to worshiping God, I want hymns. Amazing Grace; Just As I am; etc. I also love classical music but not all of it but you really got me with sad songs. I do that all the time and is very much used to manipulate us in advertising. I used to think it didn't matter but about 6 months ago I stopped listening to these new CCM type and felt I should have felt guilty for no longer wanting to, esp. in church but I felt free. I listen to the older songs of hymns of praise. Sure, some make me cry but it is just so different. I no longer share or take part except in Dallas Holm's ministry. He is like no other.
What an eye-opening message. I see my own Church going down the CCM path and it makes me terribly sad. I'm glad I watched this teaching.
Hey Shane, sorry I missed it. My apologies. Christian did a great job on explaining and his objective is very clear, sadly most will read what they want into it because of a rebellious and haughty spirit. Blessings to you my brother.
Also, I used to be a huge fan of Slipknot, but I thank God that I got out of it.
Agree with many of his points which are really well made. I have issues with his trying to "control" peoples' opinion, by suggesting what's going on in people's minds, and making suggestive faces. Maybe to him something sounds one way. Maybe the 'sensual' sounding song sounds sensual to him because of what's going on in his mind! Perhaps someone else is thinking of Jesus. I understand the point he is making, but the disciples felt it was 'inappropriate' for a woman of ill-repute to be drying Jesus' feet with her hair, and he said 'leave her alone, there's something behind this that she understands that you don't !
Example, on the How Great Thou Art (last 10 minutes) who told him I was 'worshipful' on the first one? When it changed to the 3rd one , I felt there was more expression and belief; he's making faces, asking "are we worshipping? has the music pulled you from God? yeah" - really? Maybe it didn't. Some of the examples were not my thing and definitely not what I would use in a church
***** Dude, Christian Berdahl will squirm at anything that doesn't agree with him.
The "disciples" did not object , 1 disciple objected... Judas.
Thanks for writing my thoughts.
Interesting concept. This is very American based. I don't agree with a bunch of it because historically, it's just missing so much. The continent of Africa couldn't possibly have the exact same focus. Only European cultures historically don't use percussion/instrumentation in their music. Drumming is a language used just as words. Tribes used it to warn other tribes of danger. It's not all used to create sexual feelings. I mean prior to the European influence they had societies and none were exactly the same. Furthermore, other cultures have edifying music to God. Every last culture has something different. I get your point to an extent. Conceptually, you have put a bunch of American opinion in this. I have to say maybe you should research Messianic Jewish music. I do give you props for your focus on the music being to edify the Lord. That I completely agree with. Lucifer prior to his fall was made of all instruments. All kinds of instruments. Lucifer was created to worship the Lord. It wasn't the instruments that was the issue but his pride that led to his fall. I get the "purposeful" concept of it tho meaning what you present needs to have the purpose of honoring Him.
Worship and Praise music are very different. You seemed to focus on a worship concept like people in heaven only stand around and lift their hands to slow songs. God uses all kinds of music to attack the individual wherever they are. I can honestly say the How Great Thou Art presentation is an example of how God uses multiple styles to meet multiple people globally. You just can't put the God you serve into a box. The other styles are needed to reach those who would never listen to the initial style you presented. I guess I look at it like the versions of the Bible. The King James is a good translation but so are other versions. A person from Morocco wouldn't want to read that version simply because it's in a different language and might not be as edifying for them if they don't speak or know English and better yet "Elizabethan English." However, transcribed into their own language of Arabic, Berber, French, or Spanish would be much better suited for them to comprehend the text.
There is a style of gospel reggae. It's very different than the regular reggae. Christafari. Gospel Jazz. There was a big band orchestra called the Brentwood Jazz Orchestra. China has so many instruments no other CONTINENT uses. There is some amazing Chinese praise and worship music. You actually used the concept of polyrhythmic being negativein your presentation however, even in Western Classical, Baroque, and Renaissance music there were plenty of composers that used it in their arrangements. You just basically took all the music out of the Oratorio Handel's Messiah and said its not edifying to God because it uses polyrhythms. Comfort Ye My People is one of the best Arias ever.... In India Ibadan Karo uses percussion and polyrhythms however, it's culturally different. Just is. You can't say it's edifying themselves. I'm not even going to mention how many different cultures there are GLOBALLY in each of the continents I mentioned that are different except Jamaican Reggae. That's a common style of music in Ethiopia.
I will leave you with this. It might be good for you to travel globally to learn as you share your knowledge. American culture is clearly not the only one or the perfect one. Hence I agree with some of your comments and presentation. I can't imagine the only people who will worship our Father would sing songs in a way where there isn't any percussion, no horn arrangements, no instrumentation aside from a voice when He created worship to include all of that. I can tell you, my ear is way more connected to a variety of styles of worship than one. I can appreciate some of what you presented because I majored in music but culturally it wouldn't be appreciated by everyone as THEIR way of honoring the God you serve. He's the God they serve too.
It would disturb sales if the truth was to be preached. This sort of stuff sells a lot. I would challenge the presented to attempt to present this as a dissertation to a music faculty, and try and defend himself against some real music scholars. This sounds like an episode from Tarzan
Ha! You really have to evolve with the times. You don't have to blend with the world to get em to understand but wow, this is like James vs Paul. James got some people converted and wrote some books in the bible. Paul.......
I like your response Kemba. I wish Mr Berdahl would respond to what you wrote here. I had similar questions myself and I actually emailed him but haven’t gotten a response. Do you know how I can get a hold of Mr Berdahl ? If he ever responds to me I’ll let you know what he says. As a matter of fact, I may copy and paste your comment and ask him to comment because you pretty much wrote everything eloquently and way better than I could have. Be blessed as we prepare for the imminent return of our savior.
A lot of slaves here in the comment section. You love your music so much, the thought of giving it up to grow closer to the Lord is unthinkable. I wonder if this seminar is now 24 hours long, because 2018 has some real garbage CCM. He could spend 12 hours on Jesus Culture and Hillsong alone
Giving up music does not make you grow closer to the Lord. Growing closer is an activity within itself. Also, you have equated slavery with people having a mind of their own, rather than being told how to think. We are not under obligation to just accept everything that is being said, especially by someone who is not even a music scholar.
You could spend hours on all the wacky lies of the SDA cult.
Whoaa!
That's a very sweeping accusation Mr. Southgate. I didn't know music chords were the litmus test false Christians. Man, I'm going to hell in a hand-basket.
The demonstration at the end comparing the different versions of How Great Thou Art was pretty badly done. Of course you're going to create distractions when you keep switching versions, but that doesn't mean those distractions will be present if you just listened to one all the way through. And the fact that he kept talking through it was its own distraction, and it made it seem like he didn't have confidence in this own test, since he felt the need to tell the audience how they *should* feel about it.
This Lecture highlights only a single facet of what’s wrong with Christianity, and the corruption of Faith. Remember that.
but like the body there are diff parts so listen what works for you but if i hadnt
had stryper in my life i might not be a Christian today!!!!
wow God is real
Wow. Everyone needs to hear this message! Amen!
Irish music is directly from the throne room
I love this seminar. I first saw Christian Berdahl on Amazingfacts.tv. Great message!
Even though gonadotropins are a class of "sex" hormones, they do not have a function of increasing your libido (and making you promiscuous). They're for reproductive function, e.g. development/maturation of reproductive system, ovulation in females, sperm production in males, and the side effect of increased libido is only rarely seen in case of taking gonadotropins in HIGHLY concentrated forms, e.g. for weight loss. There is no way you will physiologically produce enough gonadotropins to make you act sexually irresponsible by listening a certain type of music.
+Stan Ryndin Like in the 60's with rock and roll, thank God people did not become more sexually active. Blame it all on the drugs of the 60's.
this is awesomely educational,informational, and outstanding; appropriate for all ages
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all I know is that alot of those old hymns with "nice " music had no words of faith, they were depressing, and did not inspire me at all and made me feel like God was not attainable, howver some hymns have been very powerful
dont you have a power point presentation somewhere
not a video but just the slides you show on the video?
I must say a BIG BIG thank you for posting this video... Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you my brother. Keep up the good work.
I really got the message... is not about Lyrics nor instruments but the intention... unfortunately, most churches do not realise they have been used in some way by satan to use music for his purpose not God's.... Praise God who constantly opens our eyes!
I find it ironic that while the message speaks against certain styles of music, youtube takes advantage of a song used in this message, and promotes it - "Sympathy for the Devil, buy on Google Play, AmazonMP3 or iTunes."
Regarding the limbic region the lizard brain and PTSD if someone were to study the system with the knowledge SDA has regarding the exercising of certain regions they would find those that have severe PTSD are they who have strengthened the limbic regions by flexing and exercising the lizard brain.
No, I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Cory was saying that Mr. Berdahl was racist (obviously because he was mimicking some motions of rapping). So I was being sarcastic, saying Berdahl is racist against whites too, since he also impersonated white musicians. It's like Rush Limbaugh would impersonate the voice of Clinton during those years, then Bush for 8 years, and it's all fine. But when we get a black president and he impersonates Obama, he's racist for sounding black.
A lot of helpful, challenging and thought-provoking content, but the good/bad music distinctions are too simplistic. Unless I am mistaken, the first music sample (stereotypically happy) is syncopated, is it not? You could certainly mix it with one of the voodoo samples.
TB Joshua, you should listen to this. I think you're distracted from your own form of occultism.
Bill Gothard (Basic Youth Concepts)also followed this legalistic form or teaching. Do you guys remember what became of him?
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Guys, I recommend you to watch this presentation as well: "Music & The 3 Angels Message - Fitzroy Anderson". It's very good
"It's hard enough to be a christian in this 2012" - Haha. Welcome to 2016. Things getting worse. Best statement in a long time.
Such an understatement considering 2020 and onwards.
2023 into 2024..
Can you substantiate anything you have brought forth with the Bible?
I'm not a 7th Day Adventist, but this all seemed very Biblical to me. The Bible tells us to get wisdom and understanding, so we have to be capable of doing that. I definitely don't think things we believe should contradict the Bible but I think it's okay to base our principles and reasoning on it, even in areas that have fewer numbers of direct references. As an example, maybe not the best: is it okay for a church to have air conditioning? I don't know of a specific verse dealing with that, but I do believe we can use Scripture, and Bible based reasoning, to conclude it is acceptable.. to me at least. That's my take on this, best explained in a RUclips comment, haha.
The answer to your question mach e is "no; this cannot be substantiated by a book he quoted very little from"; that's because the Bible talks about repetition (Isaiah 6), dance, timbrel (which were drums), and it also speaks of joy rather than this controlled, depressing, serious manner so called 'worship' is being portrayed here.
John Jordan litterally no bible was cited, I can't take this seriously.
Only problem I have is (making a wide brush of people in church's with this music) if all the people are just listening and not singing to the lord from their heart some people can't find a good church and they may go to a church with music that is "worldly" some people don't like the old choir music some church's think using instruments is wrong music has been used from the beginning to sing to the lord. Just let the Holy Ghost give you personally discernment what is right and wrong
who is this in the video
THANK YOU JESUS1 You pulled me out of the Contemporary fake christian movement.
"Ooop, just gotta clarify I'm not racist, I'm just racist." - Christian Burdahl
I wonder what this guy listens to. Personally Prog is the best music for me.
@4:00 @10:10 @14:48 @51:47 @58:35 @1:12:00
NOTE: I was being sarcastic. Berdahl does not show any racism, as Cory claims.
I agree Tim. he means well but pullleeeeease this is overdrive, I appreciate his heart, he wants music to be pure and holy, ok whatever, but I can tell he has a heart for God just a little in overdrive, 13 hour conference pullllleeease on this
Praise God for this young minister! It opened my eye and explained my struggle for a long time. Can't stand the Contemporary music, it never gives me peace!
Same here! There’s always been something in my heart against CCM. My heart always rejects it for some reason. Now I understand why!!
Most of the feelings we assign to music were created by media. 🤔
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What the devil meant for evil, GOD can turn it around for good. (Example: If I get attacked by two guys with swords and was able to put one down before getting hit by the other, why can't I pick up the downed guys sword and use it to fight back. God created music and gave talent to be used for His glory. The devil took it and corrupted it. Why cant we take it back for Gods glory. I believe that we can do the same with music. Those who are lead by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Amen....
Well. I've been a listerner of heavy metal for 9 years (I'm not a fan of satanic lyrics) But I've never lost my faith in Jesus. My faith and love in Jesus is just still growing. Everyday I study the word of God en watching seminars. I love God and Jesus, I like to go to the church on sabbath and study with all the church members. I really love to do good works. And soon I'll going to be baptised. But will God really judge us because our taste of music??? I'm sorry to say this, but. if someone lose faith in Jesus because of music then the're maybe a little weak? But if avoiding pop/RnB/metal music helps you to keep in touch with Jesus then it's better for you of course!
(Sorry for bad English)
It's great that you have faith in Jesus, but just because you have faith in Him, doesn't mean that you have to stop listening to metal. There's a lot of Christian metal bands out there. (Wolves at the Gate are my personal favorites), that utilize scripture-based lyrics with music that's just as heavy. Yet, it's melodic. Melodic christian metalcore. Anyway, they are good.
There is Christian Death Metal, Becoming the Archetype is one of them. There is Christian Rap, TobyMac, anyone? Christian porn? No. Porn and music are two totally different things. It's just another attempt at the radical conservative side of the church to brainwash people. It's sad, it's really sad.
Well, they are anti-anything that isn't legalistic, and they do brainwash girls my age to where they hate dating guys because they see guys as these insatiable monsters who only want girls to have sex with them, and they're anti women's ordination.
What liberal feminist movement? That's the people who are for abortion and I'm against it after the first few days of pregnancy. I'm a gender equality supporter. I think women should get paid as much as men. As a libertarian, that's a position I can support. I also believe women should be ordained because there's no verse in the Bible that says otherwise. Most of it was simply cultural, or so I'm told, and since the culture has changed, there you go. I think I was told that the apostles didn't want the women of the day becoming like the pagan priestesses.
Yeah, they are different. But, look, if a women and a man are working the same job don't you think they should get paid the same? I mean, it's unfair to think otherwise.
`Well I agree with a lot in this seminar but I rememember in the book of Acts with Paul.And Jesus disciples arguing about laws,cicumcision and so forth are we going to put more burden on us the gentiles when we are free. God says those who worship the Lord worship the Lord in spirit and truth.Can we judge that?Its good to know more about my spiritual walk with God we need to be renewed in our mind through the word of God.He leads us in all truth, righteousness and holiness.
+Martin Carr You can't expect someone who doesn't know you to understand you, where you come from, or give you information that will pertain to your life. How can someone who plays nothing but golf show a basketball player how to properly shoot a jump shot?
Sandi Patti never said that the music itself (not the words) didn't matter. She was just talking about the lyrics. The quote used here does not prove the point he's trying to make. Be fair to the people you are quoting.
The biggest problem with presentations like this is that they rely on being critical, and sensational, - that's called marketing!
How many videos does this guy have where he doesn't know what he is talking about?
If metal is evil, and you can just sort of know,
what in the world, is dubstep???
why not give it away for free or at keast for the cost of. copying them
Living Fire a worker is worth their wages. Do you work for free and expect everything you need without paying for it?
OK I'm not sure I just started reading the Bible and am at 2 Samuel chpt 6 verse 10 and it talks about king David dancing before the ark with all his might was that wrong of him becuase they were playing music
+Iris Voltmann He wasn't doing the funky chicken.
+Iris Voltmann The invitation to praise the Lord with "dancing" is based on a disputed translation of the Hebrew term machowl, rendered as "dancing" in Psalm 149:3 and as "dance" in Psalm 150:4. Some scholars believe that machowl is derived from chuwl, which means "to make an opening"--a possible allusion to a "pipe" instrument. In fact this is the marginal reading given by the King James Version. Psalm 149:3 states: "Let them praise his name in the dance" [or "with the pipe," KJV margin]. Similarly Psalm 150:4 reads: "Praise him with the timbrel and dance" [or "pipe," KJV margin]. The marginal reading of the KJV is supported by the context of both Psalm 149:3 and 150:4, where the term machowl occurs in the context of a list of instruments to be used for praising the Lord. Besides machowl, in Psalm 150 the list includes eight instruments: trumpet, psaltery, harp, timbrel, stringed instruments, organs, cymbals, clashing cymbals (KJV). Since the Psalmist is listing all the possible instruments to be used to praise the Lord, it is reasonable to assume that machowl also is a musical instrument, whatever its nature might be. David as the king was moving with the music celebrating having the ark. It was likely to be more of a call to celebrate its return. He didn't call anyone else to join him. As the king, it was appropriate that he should act out the joy of the nation.
Can't handle the percussion stuff though. After about 15 seconds of the Voodoo and especially the club crap, and I'm gone.
i agree that music is a powerful tool, but this guy takes it to far
So by this guys standard, all music that doesn't have an accent on beat 1 or 3 is evil. As a musician, I find that ludicrous and somewhat offensive.. Syncopation is what makes a melody or rhythm interesting, compared to the blandness of what he's talking about. No wonder christian music blows. He's just mad because he has no rhythm.
BTW, at 1:01:32 the beat is accented on ! and 3, which is a song that he condemns.
God is speaking through this young man to worn us of the use of music to a true christian.
Like all evangelists, I'd say it's most likely the cash speaking through him. I bet this guy made good money off this gig. Don't be fooled by a charlatan.
Todd Allen Not alut a lot of them for sure...l, b
Todd Allen He is not from the Charismatic movement he is a 7th day Adventist.
As for the rest Many Brain experts say the same. Yes these are Atheist.It's pure science that proves it's all true.
He don't make money off his lectures.
Honestly, especially in the African American church buildings, (I TOO AM AFRICAN AMERICAN SO DON’T COME FOR ME 😑😏), some of the so called church music is totally out of order smh. From the drum beats to the music in general; One can TWERK to some of it and even break out and party dance to some of it. Some of it is TOTALLY OUT OF ORDER! The sad part is many don’t think there’s anything wrong with it even quoting the scripture when King David dances out of his clothes hahaha. This teaching NEEDS to be seen, by ALL PASTORS AND ALL MUSIC DEPARTMENTS, IN EVERY CHURCH IN AMERICA STARTING WITH THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CHURCHES🤓
I totally agree. But WE ARE ALL A PART OF THE LAODICEAN CHURCH AGE. Our dedication and devotion to Christ makes Jesus want to throw up. Revelation 3:14-19 " 14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God's creation says:
15 I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were cold or hot.
16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of My mouth.
17 Because you say, 'I'm rich; I have become wealthy, and need nothing,' and you don't know that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked,
18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire so that you may be rich, and white clothes so that you may be dressed and your shameful nakedness not be exposed, and ointment to spread on your eyes so that you may see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and discipline. So be committed and repent." Christians think "Yes... you... they are lukewarm. But not me. I'm on fire for Christ. Jesus is all I think about." There were 7 stages that the worldwide body of Christ would go through. They were prophecied by Christ and given to John in Revelation. If you are not willing to suffer and be killed for Christ you will go to hell. I say it like this, because many Christians actually believe the lie that "God doesn't want His children to suffer." If you believe this, and they want to kill you for being a Christian, you will deny Him. Jesus said in Matthew 10:33 "But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven,"
Sorry to be a pain in the neck here, but the cartoon song was never intended to be a serious song. Chris Rice was trying, in a very tongue-in-cheek way, to make a point that we should praise God on our own and not allow entertainment to do it for us. It is a novelty song. I see the point you were trying to make, but using that song will make CCM fans laugh at you. Note that I'm absolutely not a CCM fan, but a friend played that song for me, and I know the story behind it. I'm gathering that you were speaking to a group of Christians who agree with you, but if you do this bit in front of people who are into this music, they will be looking at you like the RCA dog.
I disagree with you (nice disagreement though :-) I can relate to it as a 'serious' song. Yes it is tongue in cheek, but it says a lot more: such as "everything with breath and life should praise", "this is God's world and we were created to praise - Jesus said it we don't, then the very stones would cry out", it pointed me to the need to turn a world which is so much about entertainment to use their energies and creativity to praise God. The bible talks about the trees clapping hands, mountains breaking forth into singing, stones crying out. If stones can cry out, why not ... Flintstones ??? ! ! !
I went to ASI in 2012 when they were in Cincinnati. (The entire time, all we had was vegan stuff, and I thought I disliked vegetarian Adventist cafeterias, I literally had to wait for Taco Bell afterwards) This guy was one of the speakers at my little youth group thingy and I got up and walked out on him. Because, what he says is complete nonsense! I listen to Christian metal and hard rock (not unintelligible growling, I hate that stuff), and those guys have more faith and they want to minister more than some Adventists I know! Bands like For Today, Wolves at the Gate, and others know how to reach people. Why? Because they minister to them where they can understand it. You can't just bring someone into church and expect them to fall in love with the piano and organ, (which, by the way, are two of my favorite instruments, and I am a drummer) No! We can't do that. We have to reach them where they are comfortable, and if that is through metal and rock, so be it! If that's through classical, so be it! (Heaven forbid) if it's through EDM, (Electronic Dance Music, for those who may not know) so be it! I figure as long as we reach people and we are kind and compassionate, then I think we are doing the right thing. The reason that we are looked down upon by others is because there are people in our church who uphold the entire writings of Ellen White as law more than the Bible. When I read scripture, in the book of Psalms, it tells me to praise Him with cymbals and drums and tambourines and dancing. Yeah, that's a big verse that, as a Christian drummer, I claim. I mean, if all we do is go to church each week, sing a couple of hymns, and listen to somebody talk for an hour about how we can improve our lives, what are we doing?
Now, before you think, oh this guy's saying things against Ellen White, and calling her a liar, no I'm not! I believe that she was divinely inspired. Now, do I believe that I am lost because I play the drums, which I used to play for myself, but now I play for Him? No! Of course not. Do I believe that, because I am not a vegetarian, that I'm a bad person or not following a law of God? No! Of course not. Do I believe that I am a sinner because I am a gigantic fan of competitive sports? No! Of course not. Am I perfect? Absolutely not! But, do I have to conform to ultra-super conservative rules before I am accepted as a member of the church? No, and I thank God for it! Honestly, the whole vegetarian thing, has gotten really old, and the arguments against drumming have gotten annoying. Some people in the church have gifts that God gave them but because of the "rules" they are repressed from showing them! I thank God that my parents are in the ministry, and they support me fully. It just makes me sad to see how pharisaical and judgmental some people in the church have become towards others in the church, with regards to how they dress, what they eat, what kind of music they listen to, etc, etc.
YOU REACH PEOPLE BY THE WORDS AND GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
THE POWER IS IN GOD HIMSELF AND HIS WORDS.
NOT MUSIC "FOR EVANGELIZING".
I will so laugh if when I get to heaven and the angel at the gate is playing a guitar.!!!!! And I dont even like any guitar music at all, but it coulod happen
i dont belief that all music, particularly rap music cannot glorify God, just because it has bass or a certain beat in my opinion doesn't mean it can't be used to glorify God. Everyday thing by Andy Mineo is a clear example of that
I believe in God and Jesus and am a spiritual person but this is overdone and he is shifting his opinions in his favor and sweet-talking his way into our heads! Many rock musicians like U2, Megadeth, Alice Cooper, Lenny Kravitz, George Harrison, and Eric Clapton are Christian and write and perform great music that is powerful and soothing.
i really hope you are not saying that because you are too used to their music and cant go against them. please think this over and make sure that all those people you mentioned are really singing the right music. be honest with youself
No that is sincere.
Um, I can't get behind U2 firmly because I don't agree with some of their politics, however, where the streets have no name is absolutely outstanding! Also, another song that was marketed secularly but has giant Christian-based lyrics is "Higher" by Creed. I read Scott Stapp's biography and that guy's been through some major stuff.
Yes I agree about Scott and his song.
I really believe U2 are believers in God and express that in their music!
Mr. Berdahl sir, you really need to get your facts right, if you intend to be taken seriously.
The Beatles were on E.M.I. records, called Capital in America. The Rolling Stones were signed to Decca.
Two different companies, not one as you said.
You always get major facts wrong when talking about the infamous Mr. Crowley, but it is good that you are helping spread his name.
Music can incite specific moods but it is not moral sir.
Moods are not moral.
Feeling depressed is not evil and feeling scared is sometimes good.
You need to free your mind from the demented Ellen White as her thoughts have seemed to limited your mental power.
Crowley also said Love is the Law. Funny how your ilk never mention that.
Are you serious?
too dated, sorry...
'prince of the power of the air-waves....'
lost me
+rich gouette While I understand he is stretching it a bit, power of the air vs prince of the power of the air-waves. Still, what got my attention was one word you used "dated" , why? Why do people keep talking about Christianity and how it must change with the times, keep up with modern man. My God, the message in the bible is for all times. I pray the Lord opens more eyes to his word.
Two things i wish for this guy. 1 He needs to get the holy ghost. 2 When he gets to heaven he will need some ear plugs.
Are you an expert on brainwaves? No, you're a preacher. I think people have their own minds. God gave us free will. Don't do this man!!! We all have use of our feelings and we know what's right and what's wrong. Stop this!!!
+Tim Gilliam Actually, I believe he has studied this. And he quotes experts, so check out what they say.
+Tim Gilliam It's ok, do what you wilt. Perhaps you might choose to pick up some works from these brainwave experts as he mentions and read what they report yourself, then pick up the bible and read. Then decide. Is it your enjoyment, is it of the Lord.
@@xymonau2468 how much Scripture does he use in this seminar. That should be the most important source he uses examples from. Scientists can use false data and present it as fact.
@@backjauer777 And I know many, many preachers who twist the bible to say whatever they believe, but it isn't true. The bible says nothing of brain waves or science, but that doesn't mean science is not useful and confirming. The bible says nothing about computers or exercise bikes, lap dancers or artificial insemination, the gulf stream or the equator. So what? Science tells us about those.
You are really stretching it with "Cartoons". It's not watering down the Gospel. Chris Rice is a youth pastor first and foremost and he just wrote a fun song for his youth. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY! He even says this near the end of the song : Now, there's a point to this looney-tune
I'm not an Anamaniac
But there's a lot of praisin' to do
And cartoons weren't made for that
It's our God
So, let's sing hallelujah!
If you are going to use an example of a certain song then play the entire song so that your listeners can hear the whole message or at least read the entire lyrics to them.
I disagree with you saying that Christian music is not for the world. Most artists will tell you that they are in it to reach the lost. Do you say music from artists like Rich Mullins, Keith Green and Steven Curtis Chapman are being used by the devil. If so you are going to be very surprised to see them in heaven. I believe you are going to be very surprised with a lot of these bands and artists you criticize are going to be there worshipping the same Lord together! I would be very careful with believing a lot of what Tony Campolo says. He's a very liberal Christian. In fact he was one of Obama's spiritual advisors. So be careful about quoting from him.
Honestly you come across as very sarcastic which is a real turn-off. If you want to help people then you might want to check your sarcasm at the door.
Man...this gets blatantly racist.
Garbage 🗑
This is utter bull lol. I'm sorry, but I can't take this guy seriously. The devil suddenly appears just because you change the beat emphasis from 1 and 3 to 2 and 4? LOL!!! So what about rock songs that are 3/4? Does he consider that? CCM has a lot of songs with the 3/4 beat, so I'm wondering what he thinks about that. What about 6/8? 5/4??? His view in music is soooo rigid lol.
Also, if I can testify that I listen to a whole slew of music, from Hillsong to Heritage Singers, from Avalon to Audioslave, and though the religious songs have had an important role in my life as a Christian, the secular ones has not affected it.
Trust me, I watched his lonnngggg seminar and he didn't quote anything in the Bible specifically to just listen and sing classical or old hymns. In fact, Paul says to sing in all kinds of music, hymns, praise songs, and more. In fact, Paul even quoted poems that was attributed to Zeus, and turned it around to give the gentiles an idea of the one true God.
This guy and Ivor Myers, and anyone else who has a rigid view in music is what's wrong with SDA church these days. Turning culture norms into morality. Does he even know how syncopated ancient Israel music is? This guy says Hip Hop came out with a spirit of rebellion, and all that, when in reality, it came out from a DJ who wanted to just mouth lyrics from old songs to new background music. He doesn't even know the history or origins of types of music. I understand that some form of rock is dark, but to say that rock originated from the Devil is plain out wrong because it originated with African Gospel and Spirituals. Soooo...this guy should educate himself before preaching against things he doesn't even know about.
***** So, why'd you stop? If God's given you the gift of being a drummer, use it to glorify Him. Not just because some judgmental person in the church tells you to stop.
No thanks. Berdahl is toying with your mind, dude. He's just another pharisaical adventist who thinks that they are better than everyone else because they might be vegetarians, or come dressed in a suit and tie each Sabbath. Honestly, I love God, and I want that to be prevalent in the songs I play. I play everything, from Christian metal, to CCM. And, on the side, "Carry on Wayward son" by Kansas, which was covered by Stryper, a Christian group. And the group Kansas stopped playing secularly because some of them were Christians and they wanted to go a more Christian route, which I think is awesome. Berdahl and others like him, regardless of denomination, but I see it most in my church, are part of the reason that youth are leaving the church, because it's become nothing more than a set of dusty rules slapped in your face by somebody for an hour every week. There's no passion, no love, no hope. Frankly, it's boring. I can see that. Now, some people's response to this is to leave the church and become atheists, and I'm not about to do that. I'd much rather see the church reach out to people, then sit in a pew every week and focus on making themselves look good. I see it this way. Religion without love and passion is absolutely no good. Religion with that stuff wins people over. You can't tell people, "God loves you but only if you eat this way, or dress that way, or do this or do that."
Now, I'm not saying don't go to church each week, what I'm saying is that, in my 18-year old opinion, the church needs to be more inviting. And, yes, that means utilizing the drums in the worship service.
Also, I'm not perfect, so don't think that I'm saying I am. Please don't. Ok, I just got rebaptized a few weeks ago.
+Caleb Begley When I was 16 I bought my own drumset to make the music in church more lively and appealing to young people. I loved playing drums (and still do as a coordination practice)... and loved to make nice music with other fellow christians during some events and services (didn't do this kind of "youth style" music every sabbath though). Years down the road I had witnessed multitudes of young people of my age leaving church. Some of them shared the reasons for leaving on later discussions (yes, I am still in touch with them)... "boring" music was never mentioned as part of the reasons. The main reason that came up over and over again was that nobody seemed to be passionate about the faith...
At the age of 18 my opinion about Berdahl's lecture would have been similar to yours. After getting a graduate degree in multimedia sciences in music, I was forced to agree with him, as evidence was overwhelming (and it wasn't that somebody named Berdahl had said something, but all those studies and scientific data which I had to go through during my studies changed my opinion). I am not playing drums in church any more and when I happen to be at a service where somebody does, I can see its effect on people as I know now what to look for. As you can see, over the years my opinion has changed dramatically, and when I look at the bigger picture from my perspective, then I believe that drums doesn't improve the appeal of the service to young people; or actually it might in short term, but because of the effects of the music, the message seems to get lost in the process (more often than not). I agree, that church needs to be more inviting, more loving, but I haven't seen any positive correlation between those attributes and introducing drums to music during services (I have rather noticed the opposite).
I am not here to argue with you or anything, simply wanted to share my experience. I can see that you are worried because of the situation and you want to do something about it, and I support you in this, just don't discard information as rubbish if it doesn't fit to your current mindset, but rather study it out and make your decision then.
ccalmus What you're saying does not add up; music does not change because of drums. What a drum plays is inherent in the music. It's simply another texture, another sound.
The various components of what a drum kit plays are often replicated on what a piano accompaniment might play. (I play both piano and drums so am clear what I am saying).
By the way piano is defined as a percussion instrument;