Formula E Gen3's Tech - The Future of E Racing Explained
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- How is Formula E's Gen3 Car a massive leap up from Gen2? Finally unveiled at the Monaco E Prix, we've finally gotten a look at the future of Formula E, and with a massive list of upgrades, new components, better sustainability and even a "fighter-jet" inspired design, it's certainly going to make next season interesting. Jake Boxall-Legge takes a dive into what makes the car so impressive, and why the changes are more than meets the eye.
0:00 Fighter-Jet design
0:46 Two motors?!
1:56 Tyres, wings and downforce
2:45 Recycle your Formula E
3:58 Gen3's high hopes
4:26 Comparing Gen1, 2 & 3
#FormulaE #gen3 #2023
FOLLOW us online:
Website: www.autosport.com/
Facebook: / autosport
Twitter: / autosport
Instagram: / autosport
Thanks for watching - please like, share and comment, and subscribe! 
Спорт
The most important thing is the smaller size. Gen 2 was slightly too big for some of the street circuits wich resulted in more crashes and less action than Gen 1. Hopefully Gen 3 will reverse that while being faster overall.
I am convinced that most if not all racing series could be improved by using smaller and lighter cars, even if they went a tiny bit slower. What use is laptimes when you dont get wheel to wheel action anymore?
They will be evaluating adjusting the circuits due to the new pace. The fact that they're only just doing this now, is either really good or really bad, but we won't know until next season.
If their new batteries are good enough, they could even start racing on bigger circuits
the biggest turn off for me was the lack of racing on famous tracks. street circuits are too narrow and are boring to watch.
@@piyapolphetmunee3879 yeah you haven’t watched a single formula e race if you think these are boring
We had over 390 overtakes in the Berlin gp (double header) so I would say the changes are epic
This is the closest thing we will get to an A-Wing on wheels in racing lol
Haha I really do see it XD
The car always had the Star Wars ship sound.
oh i think we're gonna keep getting closer
We have to put R2D2 there
he styling might be a bit controversial, but the technology inside definitely is going in the right direction both performance as sustainability wise.
Well like f1 2022 model, it will become better
I hated 2022 model of new car but now we have good looking car
@@dekyiyangzom2632 yes exactly, and there is the mid run Evo upgrade to look forward to.
@@dekyiyangzom2632 No won't happen,
F1 is a formula series. The FIA makes an set of rules and the teams design their own cars that must fit within the rules.
In Formula E the cars are made by Dallara and the teams can make the drivetrain themselves.
These cars will look exactly like this but with better liveries.
That said the front motor recovery is interesting. And i would also like to see that in F1 from 2026.
@@1barnet1 I think he just meant a design can grow on you over time. Seeing the car actually in motion and stuff instead of stills in a void gives a different perspective and make them look better. In that line.
I wonder if motorsport really need to be moving as hard to electrification. Heat pumps in houses would help immensely more. Not quite electrification but green-isation, E10 is a joke at the moment. Heating, agriculture, industry, transport are key sectors. Passengers cars...not so much.
40% energy from regen. That's incredibly impressive!!
Something F1 can never do. F1 has lost its core. Same V6 engines since 2014. Nothing has happend, just boring Aero changes. I prefer internal changes
@@jesperhammarlund300 never?! I think you should pull your neck back in with claims like that. F1 will most likely be electric at some point, unless another technology surpasses it. Why wouldn't F1 ever be able to achieve 40% regen?
@@jesperhammarlund300 😂 Come on brah. The formula might be linear but up until this season. Powertrain development was custom within the regulation Formula. In FE, yeah the tech is kinda cool but the there's next to no development, save with the motor, software and set up.
@@jesperhammarlund300 engines were altered for the 2017 season
@@procatprocat9647 FE has electric exclusivity signed with FIA. lasting untill 2040. Meaning even if F1 wanted to go full electric. They can’t. Untill 2041 at the earliest. Thats quite long time from now. FE will be at the Gen 6 car by that point lol. F1 has to stay petrol. Or say they go Hydrogen cells. But hydrogen cars is already dead. It never took on.
At first I thought it was a downgrade because the gen 2 looks more “complete” but this is a pretty cool car when you take time to take its features in
It looks cool, it will be a lot quicker, it will be more efficient. 10/10
Looks like a moving Dorito
@@bean2705 a fast dorito
@@NanescuRadu1 nah it’s very slow
@@bean2705 they all say it slow until you experience them
@@NanescuRadu1 no but they are actually slow they are slower than most super cars which is embarrassing and f1 can lap formula e cars in like 4 laps
This is the closest thing to 60s F1 you can get without racing vintage cars.
300 overtakes in a weekend (berlin double header) compated to 29 overtakes for formula 1 (baku 2022).
Especially in Monaco
It feels extremely weird for a racecar to not have a rear wing.
Tell that to Peugeot's 9X8
@@williamanthony7224 Beat me to it lol
Or the Mclaren F1. However thats a supercar/hypercar
@@barneyklingenberg4078 race car are supercar but with livery and some massive or slight changes. Well It's a supercar.
pagani huayra, well the R has a wing but every huayra mostly rely on small independently controlled airfoils/flapps(?) To keap the car glued to the ground
I love the Gen 2 cars; but this one is growing on me; and the technology inside it does sound very promising.
really love the look of the "tail fins" and the whole back overall
I know that when things change in motorsport, the first comments you hear are the die hard fans complaining about change. No real surprise, then, when FE alters anything, people step up to yell their complaints. If you take a close look at the shape of both cars, the most radical difference is the lack of the wheel covers. The overall change in the shape of the car is not that drastic. And considering the wheel covers are the first thing to come off in close quarters racing, I wonder what do they really add to the car. Maybe there is a reason the vast majority of open wheel race cars don't have wheel covers.
I always thought the Gen2 car looked like an RC car with real drivers. Personally, I think the Gen3 car looks more like an honest open wheel race car. That said, it will be interesting to see what an FE car with more downforce looks like on track.
At 1st I was pro wheel covers for efficiency but given the contact liberties teams take with them, I am glad they've gone. The overall design is still a bit gimmicky over performance for my likes but I slowly come to just accept that that's just what Formula E is.
gen1 was the best looking one, there's not even a debate here.
@@supermaster2012 gen 1 is disgusting in all forms
@@supermaster2012 Gen 1? Hell no.
The thing looked too awkward especially with it's front wing design.
I'm a die hard racing fan and I would like to see pretty much everything about Formula E change, its got promise but at present its rubbish. 1st forget the looks, make an efficient high downforce low drag body, doesn't matter what it looks like. 2nd get rid of the street circuits, a proper circuit with run offs so the mostly unskilled drivers they have would cause fewer accidents and then hopefully fewer safety cars. You could penalise excursions outside "track limits" to encourage them to stay on the black stuff and not use the run offs as circuit (that could be used on all forms of racing). More racing and less clearing up.
Basically everything about this is good. Lighter, smaller, faster, more regen. Initially the only downside I would have said was the styling, as it looks a bit of a step backwards without the fairing over the wheels. But seeing the in motion shots it actually looks pretty cool and techy.
FE is losing weight with more power and F1 is gaining weight with same'ish power.
I think i could better get into FE if Adrian Newey designed the kit/spec car
Yep. And FE is only 8 years old while F1 is 72 years old. Also not much will change in the 2026 rules. Weirdly the MGU-H will be removed which is a downgrade and V6 will remain the same. The only upgrade is the MGU-K which will be bumped up to 350kw
@@jesperhammarlund300 MGU-H was removed to ensure the entry of the Volkswagen group and their two constructors (Audi and Porsche). The MGU-H, even with its great efficiency with power, is quite expensive to build and removes the sound out of the V6 engine, which has been a massive complaint of fans since the hybrid era.
Are you suggesting FE and F1 are even remotely comparable? FE is so much slower it doesn't compare, FE race lenght is so much shorter it doesn't compare, Impact velocities are so much lower it doesn't compare. All these factors make it so F1 cars are by design a lot heavier to cope with the extra demands put on them.
@@bastiaanw FE (840kg) cars are probably the same weight as F1 cars which weigh in at min. 798kg, but pretty much every team said their car is overweight.
sorry for late response. Yeah F1 is at 798kg without fuel. Bone dry tank.
When fully fueled it weigh in at a wopping 909kg (with driver)
While FE again is at 840KG. And that weight stays the same. Cus a battery is same weight at 0% and 100% charge.
But i can understand it’s not a fair comparison cus F1 race’s are longer at like 1 hour and 30min
While FE is 45min +1 lap.
But again FE gen 4 should take another big step. With more regen braking and AWD. Exciting times ahead for FE.
It still looks weird to me but the tech is amazing. I did say that the G2 would be fine with aero upgrades but I get why they did it now.
I'll miss the Gen 2, really resembles the Mach 6 in the Speed Racer live-action movie
Purely based on looks, i like the gen2 car more. Formula E has never failed to impress me
The style takes a bit of time getting used to but by the end of the video they look reeeally cool
Recyclable tyres?! I thought it wasn't possible. Wonderful if true, and we can only hope that F1 follows!
They don't mean turned back into tyres, and they do recycle F1 tyres too. They could be cryogenically frozen to get "crumbs" to make roads with or undergo pyrolysis to get a few kinds of fuel. Cement factories use them a lot. Or they could simply be repurposed for other things, like building material.
Beatiful car with smaler size and smaller weight + more power. Sound goid to me👍.
It’s a shame they are not letting teams design their own aero!
I assume it's to keep everything really cheap for teams.
teams still have great freedom in car setup. also they can design their own motors
lol everybody would quit because it'd be too expensive
Aero competition is worthless and expensive and bad for the racing show. They should never open the aero, but they should have some battery competition.
That isn't the point of formula e, formula e is to promote electric cars.
Looking forward to seeing these cars in London and Monaco
Looks too angular for my liking , would have liked to see a more flowing design with AWD
The only fighter jet it looks like is the NightHawk stealth fighter
4wd is death to asphalt racing. It's just too boring.
@@procatprocat9647 unusual to have only a regen and not a drive for a motor
@@Sweaty__Sheep maybe with Gen 4, in 2026-27. remember this is the first time ever in a formula series to have a front motor. So they wanna see how it will work first before they open it up to driving the car aswell.
For the first time ever F1 is not ahead of the tech game. FE is. Which is a new era.
@@Sweaty__Sheep indeed. They could probably make the car's 4wd at the flick of a switch, but it's great news that they didn't.
Extra weight to carry but the front brakes are more powerful than rears, hence the incredible 40% figure. Good choices!
@@Sweaty__Sheep It does have a drive motor, it's literally the same, diff, the front axle features a drive shaft, it's just not active for drive and only for regen, for some reason. Either way, for 2024 refresh cycle, it appears that they will activate it for some extra power boost like P2P in Indy and the like.
No rear brakes, man that's next level for racing!
Looks like deltawing is back on the menù bois!!!
Don't care if it looks weird. If it's faster and more efficient, I'm all for it.
The real data I would like is lap time predictions compared to gen 1 and 2 along with range, could it be a full lap of Monaco now or have they kept the range the same now they have made battery smaller. ( how many KWH is battery).
They race the full layout of Monaco for two years now with an average speed of 132KPH a lap, making low 1:30's in full power mode... Gen3 theoretically is supposed to be F2 times, but for some reason they said "2-4 seconds faster" which are not even F3 times IIRC. Sounds a bit slow to me. The jump to 350kW, lighter faster and more downforce oriented car, should easily mean at least 10 seconds shaved off per lap. I can only assume it's because regen braking isn't as fast as normal hydraulic brakes, but it's beyond me to say.
@@vl3005 Everyone's heard me say this before but the limiting factor has and will still be, the rubber. It's much more grippier next season but it is still no match for full slick, or even semi slick tread (which they ought to adopt in some fashion anyway given that semi slick is road legal.) Anyway, this is why the performance will still lag far behind other Formula, even with the wick up to 800hp on both axels, it won't matter because there's little substitute for grip performance when chasing lap times. So yeah, whilst the aero and power is up, if the contact patch and adhere as well as other series to the tarmac, well we are where we are. Eventually FE will be forced to use more slick tyres. Gen 3 rubber is already more slick than Gen 2 and this will only exacerbate over time.
I am not convinced it's because of the braking either because drivers said that with gen 2, the mechanical brakes was always the limiting factor for braking confidence, they were always happier to rely on regen, which is partly why it was dropped for next gen.
Also I believe the battery is the smaller but with the same capacity so more dense or its the same size, with increased capacity, more dense still but I can't remember which.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks it's smaller, and the capacity is decreased, only 40KwH usable. Not sure about energy density though... we're not quite there technologically speaking.
Hope FIA and Ross Brawn are taking notes for F1 😏 Not sure how I feel about the loss of wheel covers and sides though... 🤔Probably makes it harder for the drivers to judge where they are putting the wheel, but it also keeps the wheels from getting entangled in light side-to-side contacts, which probably prevented many crashes that would have otherwise happened in the narrow city circuits with tight turns and close racing... but then again, it might have unconsciously incentivized drivers to go for contact in a fight rather than avoid it 😅
It's a shame to see the wheel covers go, but styling aside, this car is more than just a step in the right direction, can't wait to see the racing it'll bring out for the next few seasons
It looks like they'll transform to robots mid-race and start duking it out like Gundams.
F1 has nowhere to go, their performance evolution ended long ago pulling the same times they were a decade ago.
Formula E is just getting started, they can keep up with a F1 and within 10 years will be blowing the most advanced F1 out of the water in every single aspect.
Watching the evolution of the Formula E machines will be a sight to behold, excitement guaranteed !!
40% energy used come from regen sounds quite a lot. It would mean that the regen is able to provide 67% additional battery range. Of course 67% energy recovery is not needed to do this. The same energy regenerated will bring the car up to speed, and can be harvested again for more energy, albeit a smaller amount each time.
Adrian Newey should design the next gen.
Looks more and more like something from trackmania😂. Waiting for the jumps and looptieloops
invite wirtual to commentate on races
@@wacesferpit now that's a good idea and a half!
It could be cool as a mod for trackmania
One small correction. The front wheels use a combination of both disc brakes and regen, so it's not relying on regen alone
The front wheels use 250kw of regen brakes + regular mechanical brakes. But the back wheels is indeed 100% regen braking. (450kw)
I hope that this ultra powerful motor is used to its fullest not sitting duck as a good motor coz street circuit don't test these fully
The video did not state that the entire car relies on regen, "drivers will solely rely on the power of motor regeneration at the back"
3:41 Could we see the return of Trabant’s Duraplast on the bodies?
i drew something similar in the 80's when I was about 8.
I know this would be more inefficient but I really hoped the front motor would also be able to power the wheels. A AWD single seater formula style car is something... new...
It would be interesting to see, especially on the dustier and dirtier circuits. Although something about it just feels wrong to me, can't put my finger on why though...
It would be just as efficient if the total power output for all 4 remain 350kW at all times. The front motors would only get full power for regen.
I guess the front motor could power the car too. I mean it's just a motor connected to the battery. The reason on why it isn't beeing used for acceleration is likely due to the fact that the cars would be too fast then. However the Gen3 car likely is able to use the front motor in another season if the rules allow it.
Thanks😁
I do like the way Formula E is evolving! They're doing great job!
Please, define a race car... Small, light, agile car with good handling... That is like 70% of what brings good attractive racing... PLEASE!!! get rid of that bouncing, heavy ships from F1... PLEASE, give the best drivers in the world some machinery which they can actually use and show their skills!!! These ships need "airport style" circuits to be able to produce racing... and stupid DRS...
Looks more like a Paper Airplane then a Fighter Jet...
fe souds really good and it is getting better!
I got all excited at the start which drained away as the thing was described. With the 200mph top speed perhaps its time to get the cars onto a proper circuit and realise it potential. I expect I'll give it a watch but I've never managed it through a race yet. Too many walls, too many drivers hitting them and too many safety cars.
Unfortunately that’s not the idea of FE. The main idea has been to race in cities:
-To prove that they can be used on actual street and not purpose built circuit (or something like that)
- To reduce the carbon footprint of spectators traveling to circuits that are usually far from majority of the population.
@@heimkhal2.097 That may be true but the drawback is that it is deadly dull.
@@philspencelayh5464 I do agree it probably does. But I also don’t think you need to go super fast to be entertaining too. The track design would make or break it cuz some tracks are really entertaining to watch.
i think ill give next season a go, given that same car and small size should give some nice racing
Awesome Design 🔥
I really like the look of the Gen 3 car. I was never a fan of the fenders over the front wheels on the Gen 2
Totally looks like Dash 1 Emperor !
Formula e making their new cars safer AND lighter is making the F1 fan in me jealous
Ok modern F1 cars are very heavy, but im really not jealous at these oversized vacuumcleaners. This class will disappear in the future because electric engines are not the solution.
@@ml8022 Electric engines are silent powerful small and efficient.
They are already taking over many tasks in industry and transportation.
They are the current technology and the future.
The question lies in how will we fuel the Electric engines and the solutions are transport modality specific
@@1barnet1 Neh .... the future is hydrogene not electric
@@ml8022 hydrogen uses an fuel cell to generate electricity which fuels the electric drivetrain.
Hydrogen is with current technology far less efficient and it will never become as energy efficient as chemical batteries.
That being said it can store far more energy with far less weight. And with higher energy demands that may be the better solution.
I just don’t see it for consumer cars.
these cars are still a lot slower than F1 though.
Exciting design!
I like everything, but the halo LED just looks like it was stuck on as an afterthought
Hi, what do they mean?
this contract will be huge for williams as a company thats awesome to hear
if I´m not wrong, Williams has been the battery supplier since the very beginning
Amazing
It looks like that Polygon pokemon.
I hope they come back to Paris! This will be crazy!
Paris is now a biennial event, starting from next season
@@MudhaffarAdhwa thanks
With all the braking coming from the motors that's impressive cooling they must have
Even with small scale brushless motors in remote control cars if you do all the braking with the motor you will cook it and it will loose it magnetism over time
Remote control cars don't have regen as far as I know. The electric braking kinetic energy is simply disipated as heat in the ECU.
@@procatprocat9647 I think most esc on rc vehicles are capable of regeneration especially now its mostly brushless motors, but since the batteries/motor are so small the couple minutes extra run time won't be that noticeable
Do they still have Fan Boost?
Gen2 was really attractive. Not sure why they changed it
Cus with gen 2 the wheels had covers so we saw a bit too much bumper cars racing. So this change might force the drivers to be a bit more careful
@@jesperhammarlund300 fair
How much faster it is to gen 2 now that it's lighter?
Around 322kph (200mph)
Would this Beniot Treluyer be Benoit Treluyer's brother by any chance?
0:16. The Brabham BT 52, as beautiful as it was, has never "reigned supreme" by any stretch of the imagination. It won 3 races with Piquet, one with Patrese, and won the championship at the last race because the other cars (Prost and Arnoux) broke down. Besides the fact Piquet was a very good driver (besides being a racist and a homophobic), Brabham was the first team to introduce refuelling in 1983, and had an advantage until other teams caught on. Aditionally, Castrol introduced a highly controversial fuel (extremelly carcinogenic) half way into the season that gave the BMW engine a substantial advantage. But the car was good looking for sure.
formula e car design never really looked nice to me. what's even more weird is that i dont know why the design is unappealing. it is futuristic but the sharp angles makes me wonder the practicallity.
To my mind a racing cars looks should rely only on whats needed to make the car go fast.
Didnt knew in gen3 they are going to race on water aswell
So I suppose the front motor would have to just free spin under acceleration.....
interesting.... but i thought rubber could NOT be "recycled" after it has been vulcanized; the only thing you can do with used tires is create tire barriers around race tracks, or shred them to be used as rubber lanscaping mulch or on the ground to protect kids in playgrounds. Am I wrong about this, or are they 'recycling' these tires in another way?
Pretty sure they melt the tyres down, and mix the components with extra rubber to recreate the tyres, pretty effective at ying the least amount of rubber possible
given the close contact, I'm not sure dumping wheel covers was a good idea. we will see more cars getting entangled like F1 cars
They could do with bumpers like an old land rover to shrug off the opposition.
I too love TrackMania
Concentrating so much on sustainability, recyclability and carbon emissions sure distracts from the total lack of engineering advancements... If you want new things to be better, you must INNOVATE.
The gen 3 looks like s Star destroyer on wheels
Surprised they're not using flax fiber instead of carbon for the non structural bodywork bits.
The seats are made from flax fibre.
Oh wait, they mentioned linen. Linen is flax fibre fabric, so yes they actually use them even for the structural bits.
This is great, but I still want F-e to incorporate some kind of Pit Strategy. Maybe something like quick change-removable-sustainable battery packs of differing capacities and power (akin to hard, med, soft tires).
Personally I really enjoy attack mode, it’s unique and a key part of strategy
There will actually be 30-sec 600kw pitstops
So i hope they will do it like this next season
Attack mode + charging pit stops
And get rid of fanboost.
@@jesperhammarlund300 And they confirmed exactly what you said.
30s 600kW Pitstop for 4kWh more energy during that 30s (which is pretty ludicrous), then they will have attack boost which will give an pretty big boost (maybe even using the front motor?) and they also got rid of fanboost.
What do all those lights on the halo and body work mean. Thanks
#LewisHamilton to #FormulaE 2023 🤟🏻🏁
👍
why they don't use slicks? don't get it. Will make them even faster, also with this solid increase of power.
just have two compounds: slicks and wets.
Will removing wheel covers create more dirty air?
Pretty much guaranteed.
It was not much of a problem in Gen 1. Tho those were much slower so maybe that why dirty air not much of a problem during that era
The Dorito car
600hp of braking power, as compared to 1000 of a bone stock corolla. sure don't see how this can be a problem. i think they're overestimating how much regen they'll be able to do.
LINEN!!!!!!!
No brakes that's bold
Kind of surprised you didn't mention charging pit stops, or maybe I wasn't paying attention
are they bringing charging pit stops? They never had those before
I'm not sure if they are still doing that?
That isn't a thing.
That doesn't happen anymore bruh
I just noticed, it looks like the hot wheels, bad to the blade
It looks like that old Canadian fighter jet
The Avro Arrow!
If they'd kept the front wheel covers on these cars they would have looked alot better imo. I really like the enclosed wheels of the gen 2
Man I’m gonna miss the gen 2 car
My only complaint about Formula E is the street layout format. Same thing w/F1. Too many street circuits. I know that was the way to attract people but how is crashing into walls cost saving? Racing cars need run-off space PERIOD IMO.
It's getting lighter? Good.
From the top down, it looks nothing like Brabham BT52 or a dart. It is more akin to the slise of pizza.
I don't see a fighter jet at all, more like a bi plane and cybertruck
The problem Formula E has at the moment is all the tracks are the same twisty type boring street tracks. We need to see them on proper tracks, with long straights and fast corners. However I guess the batteries are just not up to it yet!!
too bad they dont air the races on TV! tv with cable, nope!
I want more races to be conducted on traditional circuits.
I thought it look like a bug. Put long antenna on its nose, paint it brown, and it look almost like a roach
Interesting how woman seemingly overnight just all the sudden became leaders and technical development directors of nearly every aspect of life. I’m sure it’s all them with no male input and I’m sure they earned that position on merit. Yay woman!
Technologically it’s a big win, but the styling feels underwhelming and doesn’t look very quick
I know I'm in the minority here, but I prefer Gen 3 to Gen 2. Both aesthetically - the Gen2 fenders are ugly - and techwise - it's just a lot more advanced.
Shape is weird. Just need a normal single seater aesthetic for real
Here's a doubt lads......will the cars be able to recharge during pitstops? I remember reading about it somewhere....
How formula e loss weight and formula 1 gain weight???how???how??
The engines take up alot more in f1 and they have a fuel tank that needs alot more protection than those engines
Formula 1 aims to produce the ulimate fastest cars on the planet, but formula e has a more sustainable approach with the quality of close racing in mind. For the past few years, overtaking and close following has been amazing in formula e so they’re trying to keep that going even with faster cars
Your simple mind is simply boggled.
If only they conduct races in proper racing circuits instead of street circuits all the time
This looks more like a trackmania car... but smaller means better wheel to wheel action.
So no brakes then ?
it still has the front brakes
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm might tune in for some porpoise free racing then !
How can a car not have brakes lol