I would be such a happy guy if anatomical toe boxes became commonplace in the shoe industry. Most of the current offerings are zero-drop which doesn't interest me. Would love to hear your thoughts on the Topo Ultraventure 3 and MTN Racer 3, two of the few shoes out there with 5mm drop and anatomical toe boxes.
Ultraventure 3 is very comfortable but not much tread depth, grip is good for easy dry trails but not great on steep and technical terrain. MTN Racer 3 is the best ultra shoe from Topo imo, excellent grip except for wet mud, I use this for most of my training and races up to about 80km, longer than that and the sole is not cushioned enough. For longer distance I use Hoka Speedgoat 5 wide fit. Not as good fit in toe box but it works with tape on little toe and is more cushioned.
@@trailsandbeers Thanks! I'm in HOKA Speegoat 5 2E width right now and it's definitely not as wide as I would like. Hoping to try the MTN 3 locally, unfortunately nobody here carries the Ultraventure 3 Wide so the MTN 3 is my only option without ordering blind from the website
i agree that foot shaped should be the way to go for all brands. this is far more important than mid sole drop. zero drop dont suit 90% of the population.
@@carsons5750I don’t think Hoka actually make a wide fit, all they do is add more material to provide more volume. That was true of Clifton 9’s and Speedgoat 4’s be good if that’s changed…
Looks promising. I'm so tired of otherwise great shoes being "pointed" at the end and squishing my toes. Nobody has feet shaped like that, so why make shoes like that?
For years there was a belief that shoes needed to force toes into a particular position for precise placement when running. Wider shoes require stronger toe muscles to support your feet as you roll to the forefoot. The great thing is that wearing foot shaped shoes develops stronger toe muscles so long as you give yourself some adaptation time. I can see the argument for narrow climbing slippers but for everything else a foot shaped shoe is healthier and enables the wearer to walk for longer without blisters and pain.
Bought for the 1st time...inov8 pair of running shoe in my life.Been wearing Altra lone peak 5, Salomon, Hoka SG4 and Hoka SG5...Worn this trailfly to the test on the 12 May 2024, Margaret River Marathon, Western Australia, 42km trail. Firstly it fits my feet like a glove, enough cushioning.....personally....better than my Hokas and LP5...just suits to my feets' shape....sorry. As for the terrain that I ran on, do visit the youtube videos on Margaret River Ultramarathon.....very happy with Inov8 trail fly..my rating 9.5/10
Ran my first 23 miles in the Trailfly Speed on Sunday 10th, loved them overall, light, nimble, and super secure. They transition from gravel trails to tarmac and on to soft trail really well. On very soft very muddy ground they are good considering it’s not what they are designed for, they do seem to struggle to clear the mud if they get really clogged up. Very happy with my investment and would happily put in 50k+ in them. Look forward to hearing your initial thoughts. Size 7.5 wide fit.
Really like what inov8 are doing with the new range. The old models had too many variants which was confusing. Would be great to see a review of the new standard mudtalon as well!
This is really promising. I'm out of shoe budget for now but so pleased to see some normal foot shaped shoes on the way. Like you, zero drop isn't an option so this is on my list!
It’s a great shoe just did 40 miles Beast of the Black ultra. Very muddy very wet and some tarmac. Felt great worked great. Would recommend them. I went for the wide fit . Lovely fit .
I don’t think I’ll move away from inov8 for my trail running shoes now. With my current pair now out of production your reviews will make my decision easier (I hope) can’t wait to see what else they come up with.
Glad to see a full cover rubber sole, had some real issues with g270 sole failing at the flex points, love the shoe though having over 3000 miles in them now, only weak point for me is the woeful rubber compound and the lose of traction once the studs wear down, small price pay for an upper and cushion/ground feel that just works. My only concern with these is the stud pattern just doesn’t look versatile enough…
Looks like a great shoe, especially the anatomical and fit options... but I just hope this doesn't replace the excellent Trailfly G270 with its 5mm lugs and zero drop.
I was able to get a pair through a pro deal. I haven’t had a chance to run in them yet, but wearing them around the house they seem very comfortable. Unfortunately, right after I ordered them Inov8 got removed from my pro deal 😢
Agreed. The sizing is inconsistent and I have to try on 3 different sizes to know which fits. For a lot of brands I take the same size each time. Lowa, Mammut, On, Salomon etc.
Great comparison between this and the Roclite 320 - great to hear this is different. I bought a pair of those Roclites for more technical ultras and have now decided not to wear them. As you say they're quite rigid which resulted in quite a lot of ankle roll, plus when they get wet they're incredibly heavy and end up what I call 'slappy' in that your foot moves around in them too much and you end up slapping your feet inside the shoes. I bought a pair of precision fit mudtalon speeds and the fit is perfect, so looking forward to trying these out for longer stuff.
I love my ones of these, I've got 3 pairs so far and will have a look at the speeds as well. I think my first pair are upto 500miles and still going strong!
Thanks for the review Lloyd. I am curious to figure out where this new model fits in their line-up. I believe they were using the name « Trailfly » both for the 270 and the 300. Does this model replace both?
Thank you mate! Seems like a solid shoe especially for the dry rocky terrain i run in out here in thr middle east. Looking forward to hearing how they compare to the speeds!
They look fantastic and with that added toe box I'm excited for these. However, 4mm lugs I find are not enough for anything other than dry trails without mud or slightly wet land. These with a 5mm lug would be a speedgoat beater I think.
They have been designed with dryer, firmer trails in mind Dave. Also the Soeedgoats are more cushioned when it comes to the midsole. I personally think Speedgoats are pretty bad in the mud when it comes to traction 👍
@@Run4Adventure yeah I heard you mention that. I'm doing the challenger north in June and will probably go with my exudos ultras, would love something like that but with a wider toe box tho. I did the dragons back in the speedgoat which were perfect for it, although it was rediculously dry. Love my peragrines but not for 100mile +
Watching your inov8 vids with great interest. I love the brand, and the Trailfly G270v2 is by far the best trail shoe I’ve run in, but the 2024 releases are yet to grab me. Bland looks and reviews that seem good but not outstanding. Wondering if there’s been a conscious move into more mass appeal, rather than catering for those that are already keen trail or fell runners. Mudtalon Speed notwithstanding, as that seems almost too niche…!
Obviously as a business you need to sell your product so it has to appeal to a wider audience or your business won’t stay afloat! If you haven’t run in the new TRAILFLY how do you know you won’t like it compared to the G270 v2? On one hand you’re saying that the new models look to have be designed for the mass market but on the other hand the Mudtalon is too niche! I’m so glad I don’t make running shoe 🙂
@@Run4Adventure agree entirely, and it's what I'd do as a business owner as well! Goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time. Loving the content at the moment - keep it coming.
Great review as always Lloyd. How do they compare to the old Ultra G-300? I was going to get another pair to run the SDW100 this summer but now I’m wondering about this new model
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. I’d say they have slightly less depth of cushioning than the G300 but the foam is a bit softer in the TRAILFLY 👍 Also the new TRAILFLY’S are a lot lighter and you really notice it. Hope this helps 🙂
Hello, what differences do you find between the saucony xodus ultra and the inov-8 trailfly; personally, I find the xodus a little clumsy and not very flexible; thanks 😄
For anyone coming from old Inov-8 models please note the new fits are narrower than the old ones. The old normal fit is equivalent to the new wide fit. No idea why they've basically just made 2 new narrower fits
I haven’t found that at all? I ran in the new TRAILFLY SPEED in a wide fit and it was definitely the widest fitting Inov8 shoes I’ve ever run in. I also found the TRAILFLY in a standard fit gave me the same width as my TRAILFLY G270’s 👍 Which new Inov8 shoes have you tried?
I've had 4 pairs of the G300 Max and I compared them back to back the other day. They're certainly narrower at the midfoot as expected but the toe box is also narrower. Inov-8 told me the G300 is a 5 width on their scale but the new shoe is a 3/4. I've sent my new Trailfly back @@Run4Adventure
@@dbinacorner5634 I’ve run in G270’s, 300 MAX, Roclites, Trailflys and the Trailfly Speed and the new Trailfly Speed in a width fit is a lot wider in the toe box than any of them!
Really want to try a pair of these but just get get myself to pull the trigger on the current colourways. They’re awful imo. Seems that a shoe with a natural shaped toe box and a decent colourway is an impossible combo for brands.
@@jimjamthebananaman1 yeah agree. The colourways are weak. The ‘black and red’ had potential but it looks like it’s grey and a pinky salmon colour than black and red. And I don’t get why anyone would want an ivory coloured trail shoe!
Inov8 already makes the best true trail shoes and it sounds like they are just getting better. Is this the replacement of the G270? Can't really figure it out. If yes, will there come a max version like the ultra g300? The two new Inov8 models sounds like insta buys
inov-8 has really gone downhill for me, been using their hiking/trail running shoes since ~2012 and they just don't hold up like they used to. The foam soles they switched to cannot take the beating of trails anymore, my stupidly expensive trailfly's from 2022 are already dead after 2 summers of hiking, the heel is just a flattened chunk of useless foam now. I have a pair of old trailroc's and the sole is still in good shape, it's just the uppers that have been torn to shreds. The trailfly's were also not grippy enough for me, especially in mud my feet just slid right out from under me. Honestly though I just can't find a decent trail running shoe to save my life right now, I've tried and returned 5 different brands and I'm a little unsure what to do for hiking this summer, getting a little nervous tbh. I especially hate the high stack trend, I miss those sleek thin soles with a sturdy rock plate, really felt like your feet were glued to the ground.
I know what you mean but unfortunately deeply cushioned shoes are here to stay I think. It’s what the majority of runners what these days and if you don’t make cushioned shoes as a brand, you’re not going to sell enough shoes 😞 Have you tried any of Inov8’s latest shoes? 🤔
Hi All, if anyone has tried these on or bought them, do they run half a small as with most inov8s? Or does the wide fit allow you to buy your normal shoe size?
It’s a neutral shoe Russ so there isn’t really any medial support. What trail shoes do you normally run in? 🤔 Most trail shoes are neutral in their structure levels because the trails are a lot more forgiving compared to the hard, repetitive road 👍
Unfortunately have to make other video while we carry on working hard on the Arc video together Alan. I can’t just stop everything and just focus all my efforts on one video because the channel would grind to a halt! Sorry it’s taken a bit longer than we would have like, it will be up on the channel soon 👍
Absolutely hate the new branding! Such an iconic looking brand image slain by what looks like a scyth 😮 Very ironic. What were they thinking. They just look naff with the new generic, boring branding with more emphasis on its use of chav language ‘m8’.
I would be such a happy guy if anatomical toe boxes became commonplace in the shoe industry. Most of the current offerings are zero-drop which doesn't interest me.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Topo Ultraventure 3 and MTN Racer 3, two of the few shoes out there with 5mm drop and anatomical toe boxes.
Ultraventure 3 is very comfortable but not much tread depth, grip is good for easy dry trails but not great on steep and technical terrain.
MTN Racer 3 is the best ultra shoe from Topo imo, excellent grip except for wet mud, I use this for most of my training and races up to about 80km, longer than that and the sole is not cushioned enough.
For longer distance I use Hoka Speedgoat 5 wide fit. Not as good fit in toe box but it works with tape on little toe and is more cushioned.
@@trailsandbeers Thanks! I'm in HOKA Speegoat 5 2E width right now and it's definitely not as wide as I would like. Hoping to try the MTN 3 locally, unfortunately nobody here carries the Ultraventure 3 Wide so the MTN 3 is my only option without ordering blind from the website
i agree that foot shaped should be the way to go for all brands. this is far more important than mid sole drop. zero drop dont suit 90% of the population.
topo hard to get in the uk and which means they are extremely expensive
@@carsons5750I don’t think Hoka actually make a wide fit, all they do is add more material to provide more volume. That was true of Clifton 9’s and Speedgoat 4’s be good if that’s changed…
Looks promising. I'm so tired of otherwise great shoes being "pointed" at the end and squishing my toes. Nobody has feet shaped like that, so why make shoes like that?
So true! I wish nike and all the other big brands followed suit and made slightly wider toe boxes.
For years there was a belief that shoes needed to force toes into a particular position for precise placement when running. Wider shoes require stronger toe muscles to support your feet as you roll to the forefoot. The great thing is that wearing foot shaped shoes develops stronger toe muscles so long as you give yourself some adaptation time.
I can see the argument for narrow climbing slippers but for everything else a foot shaped shoe is healthier and enables the wearer to walk for longer without blisters and pain.
Bought for the 1st time...inov8 pair of running shoe in my life.Been wearing Altra lone peak 5, Salomon, Hoka SG4 and Hoka SG5...Worn this trailfly to the test on the 12 May 2024, Margaret River Marathon, Western Australia, 42km trail. Firstly it fits my feet like a glove, enough cushioning.....personally....better than my Hokas and LP5...just suits to my feets' shape....sorry. As for the terrain that I ran on, do visit the youtube videos on Margaret River Ultramarathon.....very happy with Inov8 trail fly..my rating 9.5/10
Ran my first 23 miles in the Trailfly Speed on Sunday 10th, loved them overall, light, nimble, and super secure. They transition from gravel trails to tarmac and on to soft trail really well. On very soft very muddy ground they are good considering it’s not what they are designed for, they do seem to struggle to clear the mud if they get really clogged up. Very happy with my investment and would happily put in 50k+ in them. Look forward to hearing your initial thoughts. Size 7.5 wide fit.
Really like what inov8 are doing with the new range. The old models had too many variants which was confusing. Would be great to see a review of the new standard mudtalon as well!
This is really promising. I'm out of shoe budget for now but so pleased to see some normal foot shaped shoes on the way. Like you, zero drop isn't an option so this is on my list!
It’s a great shoe just did 40 miles Beast of the Black ultra. Very muddy very wet and some tarmac. Felt great worked great. Would recommend them. I went for the wide fit . Lovely fit .
Glad you’re enjoying your shoes, thanks for watching 👍
Fair play. I did the 20miler and that was a hell of an event, the downhills harder than the uphill in many cases!
@@ryanjones2627 it was a tough day on the trails Ryan, beautiful route though 🏃♂️🙂
I don’t think I’ll move away from inov8 for my trail running shoes now. With my current pair now out of production your reviews will make my decision easier (I hope) can’t wait to see what else they come up with.
Glad to see a full cover rubber sole, had some real issues with g270 sole failing at the flex points, love the shoe though having over 3000 miles in them now, only weak point for me is the woeful rubber compound and the lose of traction once the studs wear down, small price pay for an upper and cushion/ground feel that just works.
My only concern with these is the stud pattern just doesn’t look versatile enough…
Looking forward to seeing what Inov8 do with the Trailfly Ultra.
Wow. Looks like a wide shoe that I can actually use. Loved the review
Cheers Paul, glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏🙂
Looks like a great shoe, especially the anatomical and fit options... but I just hope this doesn't replace the excellent Trailfly G270 with its 5mm lugs and zero drop.
I was able to get a pair through a pro deal. I haven’t had a chance to run in them yet, but wearing them around the house they seem very comfortable. Unfortunately, right after I ordered them Inov8 got removed from my pro deal 😢
If you ever stop reviewing inov8 I don't know what I'll do about ordering the right size. Thanks.
Agreed. The sizing is inconsistent and I have to try on 3 different sizes to know which fits. For a lot of brands I take the same size each time. Lowa, Mammut, On, Salomon etc.
Glad the videos are helpful Peter, thanks for watching 👍🙂
Great comparison between this and the Roclite 320 - great to hear this is different. I bought a pair of those Roclites for more technical ultras and have now decided not to wear them. As you say they're quite rigid which resulted in quite a lot of ankle roll, plus when they get wet they're incredibly heavy and end up what I call 'slappy' in that your foot moves around in them too much and you end up slapping your feet inside the shoes. I bought a pair of precision fit mudtalon speeds and the fit is perfect, so looking forward to trying these out for longer stuff.
I love my ones of these, I've got 3 pairs so far and will have a look at the speeds as well. I think my first pair are upto 500miles and still going strong!
Wow, 500 miles in a pair of Trailflys already, that’s good going! 👍
I’m glad the shoes holding up well and thanks for watching 🙏
Thanks for the review Lloyd. I am curious to figure out where this new model fits in their line-up. I believe they were using the name « Trailfly » both for the 270 and the 300. Does this model replace both?
Thank you mate! Seems like a solid shoe especially for the dry rocky terrain i run in out here in thr middle east. Looking forward to hearing how they compare to the speeds!
No worries, thanks for watching 🙏
Well you’ve convinced me pal. The trailfly speed is looking funky ain’t it. Looking forward to that review too.
First impressions of the TRAILFLY SPEED coming soon Dan 👍
Oh bugger! 😆 Looks like another shoe I need to add to my Inov-8 ‘stable’ ….. thanks for testing it out 👍
No worries, thanks for watching 👍
Love the vid Loyd! Would love to see a review on Arcteryx’ new trail shoe Sylan, seems pretty exiting!
Glad you enjoyed the video 🙂
I’m actually trying to get hold of a pair, they look like interesting shoes 👍
They look fantastic and with that added toe box I'm excited for these. However, 4mm lugs I find are not enough for anything other than dry trails without mud or slightly wet land. These with a 5mm lug would be a speedgoat beater I think.
They have been designed with dryer, firmer trails in mind Dave. Also the Soeedgoats are more cushioned when it comes to the midsole. I personally think Speedgoats are pretty bad in the mud when it comes to traction 👍
@@Run4Adventure yeah I heard you mention that. I'm doing the challenger north in June and will probably go with my exudos ultras, would love something like that but with a wider toe box tho. I did the dragons back in the speedgoat which were perfect for it, although it was rediculously dry. Love my peragrines but not for 100mile +
Looking great, loving the new 'foot shaped' shape. Not sure about that logo though! ;-)
If nothing else maybe these will light the fire under Altra to put some love into the Lone Peaks.
looks great. I will be purchasing some of these. 😊
Hey dude, great review as always, would you say these are as soft as a SG5?
Looking for something similar to a SG but more durable.
Thanks
Watching your inov8 vids with great interest. I love the brand, and the Trailfly G270v2 is by far the best trail shoe I’ve run in, but the 2024 releases are yet to grab me. Bland looks and reviews that seem good but not outstanding. Wondering if there’s been a conscious move into more mass appeal, rather than catering for those that are already keen trail or fell runners. Mudtalon Speed notwithstanding, as that seems almost too niche…!
Obviously as a business you need to sell your product so it has to appeal to a wider audience or your business won’t stay afloat! If you haven’t run in the new TRAILFLY how do you know you won’t like it compared to the G270 v2? On one hand you’re saying that the new models look to have be designed for the mass market but on the other hand the Mudtalon is too niche! I’m so glad I don’t make running shoe 🙂
@@Run4Adventure agree entirely, and it's what I'd do as a business owner as well! Goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time. Loving the content at the moment - keep it coming.
@@stuartwaton7381 You definitely can’t Stuart! Really glad you’re enjoying the content on the channel, thanks so much for watching 🙏🙂
They look good, how does the cushioning compare to TrailFly Ultra G280?
I would say it feels a bit softer than the G280 👍
Great review as always Lloyd. How do they compare to the old Ultra G-300? I was going to get another pair to run the SDW100 this summer but now I’m wondering about this new model
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. I’d say they have slightly less depth of cushioning than the G300 but the foam is a bit softer in the TRAILFLY 👍
Also the new TRAILFLY’S are a lot lighter and you really notice it. Hope this helps 🙂
First Like to Run4adventure. Have a great day.
You to Manuel 👍🙂
These with zero drop would be sick
Hello, what differences do you find between the saucony xodus ultra and the inov-8 trailfly; personally, I find the xodus a little clumsy and not very flexible; thanks 😄
For anyone coming from old Inov-8 models please note the new fits are narrower than the old ones. The old normal fit is equivalent to the new wide fit.
No idea why they've basically just made 2 new narrower fits
I haven’t found that at all? I ran in the new TRAILFLY SPEED in a wide fit and it was definitely the widest fitting Inov8 shoes I’ve ever run in. I also found the TRAILFLY in a standard fit gave me the same width as my TRAILFLY G270’s 👍
Which new Inov8 shoes have you tried?
I've had 4 pairs of the G300 Max and I compared them back to back the other day. They're certainly narrower at the midfoot as expected but the toe box is also narrower. Inov-8 told me the G300 is a 5 width on their scale but the new shoe is a 3/4.
I've sent my new Trailfly back @@Run4Adventure
@@dbinacorner5634 I’ve run in G270’s, 300 MAX, Roclites, Trailflys and the Trailfly Speed and the new Trailfly Speed in a width fit is a lot wider in the toe box than any of them!
@@Run4Adventurethe guy is talking shite. Anyone reading his comments ignore him. The wide inov8 shoes are wider than Altra
Really want to try a pair of these but just get get myself to pull the trigger on the current colourways. They’re awful imo. Seems that a shoe with a natural shaped toe box and a decent colourway is an impossible combo for brands.
I don’t mind the colourway, I think the black/red is the stronger option 👍
If a shoe runs well I really don’t care what it looks like 🙂
@@Run4Adventure I need to adopt this mindset tbh!
They should’ve brought out black colours at least. I have these in the same colour and they’re great but they should’ve had more colour options
@@jimjamthebananaman1 yeah agree. The colourways are weak. The ‘black and red’ had potential but it looks like it’s grey and a pinky salmon colour than black and red.
And I don’t get why anyone would want an ivory coloured trail shoe!
@@leedelfuego1854 I really don’t understand the Ivory colour way 🤷♂️
Great video. Can I ask where did you get those wacky socks from 😊
The socks are from Stance. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 👍🙂
@@Run4Adventure thank you so much
Inov8 already makes the best true trail shoes and it sounds like they are just getting better. Is this the replacement of the G270? Can't really figure it out. If yes, will there come a max version like the ultra g300? The two new Inov8 models sounds like insta buys
I don’t think it is a replacement for the G270. I did ask Inov8 the same question but they wouldn’t give me an answer, it’s top secret apparently 🤷♂️
@@Run4Adventure we will just have to wait and see 😊
@@Run4Adventure Is it the same midsole as in the new Mudtalon? Just a bit more of it of course. Or is it a bit softer?
👍🏻👍🏻
inov-8 has really gone downhill for me, been using their hiking/trail running shoes since ~2012 and they just don't hold up like they used to. The foam soles they switched to cannot take the beating of trails anymore, my stupidly expensive trailfly's from 2022 are already dead after 2 summers of hiking, the heel is just a flattened chunk of useless foam now. I have a pair of old trailroc's and the sole is still in good shape, it's just the uppers that have been torn to shreds. The trailfly's were also not grippy enough for me, especially in mud my feet just slid right out from under me. Honestly though I just can't find a decent trail running shoe to save my life right now, I've tried and returned 5 different brands and I'm a little unsure what to do for hiking this summer, getting a little nervous tbh. I especially hate the high stack trend, I miss those sleek thin soles with a sturdy rock plate, really felt like your feet were glued to the ground.
I know what you mean but unfortunately deeply cushioned shoes are here to stay I think. It’s what the majority of runners what these days and if you don’t make cushioned shoes as a brand, you’re not going to sell enough shoes 😞
Have you tried any of Inov8’s latest shoes? 🤔
So your heading out on a trail half, are you taking these or the Xodus ultra?
I would be happy to run either of them on a trail Half marathon Gareth 👍
Ultra distance capable?
Definitely Neil 👍
Thanks Loyd - they’re on the list then!
Hi All, if anyone has tried these on or bought them, do they run half a small as with most inov8s? Or does the wide fit allow you to buy your normal shoe size?
I recommend that you go up half a size in the video? I’ve always gone up at least half a size with Inov8 shoes 👍
What's the medial side support like? I over pronate so worried that there may not be enough width in the mid foot area to support me.
It’s a neutral shoe Russ so there isn’t really any medial support. What trail shoes do you normally run in? 🤔 Most trail shoes are neutral in their structure levels because the trails are a lot more forgiving compared to the hard, repetitive road 👍
How does the toe box compare to the trailfly g 270 v2 in the standard width ?
I’d say its very similar 👍
Thank you
Does the Trailfly replace the g270?
I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. I asked Inov8 the same question but it’s all top secret so they wouldn’t tell me! 🤔
ARC video will have to wait
Unfortunately have to make other video while we carry on working hard on the Arc video together Alan. I can’t just stop everything and just focus all my efforts on one video because the channel would grind to a halt! Sorry it’s taken a bit longer than we would have like, it will be up on the channel soon 👍
Absolutely hate the new branding! Such an iconic looking brand image slain by what looks like a scyth 😮 Very ironic. What were they thinking. They just look naff with the new generic, boring branding with more emphasis on its use of chav language ‘m8’.