Hi Shane, How’d you rate the X6700H vs. NAD T778? Which one would you choose for both stereo music, movies and games? And btw thanks for the always great content @SpareChange!
I can't say for that model of a Denon but I have a Denon 2400 I've had for about 3 years now and it's been awesome it works well with the Klipsch speakers and subwoofer.
I believe you have run Xbox or playstation directly to the TV (hdmi) and then eARC back to the receiver, i think that is the "temp" fix. i hope this helps! heres the info directly: Some new gaming source devices that support 4K/120Hz output may not work fully with Denon 8K AVRs. You may discover this incompatibility issue due to a HDMI chipset mismatch between the devices. When the affected system is connected to the AVR via 8K HDMI input and set to output at 4K/120Hz, and the AVR’s 4K Signal Format option is set to “8K Enhanced,” you may not see the system’s source video on their display, and may not hear the system’s source audio processed through the AVR. This problem is only present when a display that supports 4K/120Hz is used. ---You can connect the system to the display directly via HDMI and use the display’s ARC/eARC functionality to feed the native audio back to the AVR using the connected HDMI cable between the AVR and display. This will allow users to decode the native audio format sent from the source. With this method, the display’s CEC/ARC option must be enabled as well as the AVR’s HDMI Control and/or the AVR’s ARC option. In the AVR, this option is located within the GUI under “Video - HDMI Setup.” --Another workaround is to leave or change the source’s video output to 4K/60Hz instead of 4K/120Hz until a permanent solution is available. This will ensure reliable communication between the source, the AVR and the display. The source’s default is set to output at 4K/60Hz, so if no change was initiated out of the box, then nothing further needs to be done
Sparechange so 8k doesn' t make sense right now so even if I go with the denon 3600h will still be good and for my projector I have a optoma hd 142x I was thinking about d pioneer elite lx304 but it doesn't have as much pre outs
I have a Denon from about 2 or 3 years ago and it had some weird bugs right out of the box. The video signal would completely go away after 10 minutes or so when connected to the Xbox One X and PlayStation 4. If I re-selected the input via the remote, it would come back on and stay on until the AVR was powered off. All cables were 18.5 GBPS. This would happen every single time the AVR was powered up without fail. No, I couldn't do a workaround like switching inputs around right after I powered it up. It NEEDED to drop out once before it was happy. Made me despise the janky build quality of Denon. Eventually a Denon tech gave me a firmware upgrade to apply with USB (the network firmwares didn't fix the issue). His USB firmware did fix my video dropout issue. However now the network features of the AVR no longer work at all. I give up.
I got the x6700. There have been a few quirky things. I didn't have the issue you had when using the XBOX/PS4. I use a PS4. There was an annoying issue with my setup; Apple TV 4K/PS4 PRO connected to Denon then to my LG CX, where depedning on what was turned on first would sometimes cause this annoying flashing of the volume level and losing/regaining a signal. Shutting everything off, then back on again usually resolved it. But the last time it happened I did a factory reset of my LG CX. And that seemed to fix it. I later read that the volume flashing/signal flashing can be caused by the LG CX CEC's capability. That's where the TV works through HDMI to automatically switch to whatever device you are using. With it off, you have to manually switch it between APPLE TV/PS4/LG. So this issue appears to due to the LG CX that was connected, not the Denon. The HDMI cable tester of the unit does not reliably work. And the results it gives; sometimes the cable passes and sometimes it doesn't make it unusable. Despite those quirks, it seems to work fine otherwise.
Suggestion, if you still have this model, run Audyssey to get the distances which are spatial, not physical and then plug in these distances for your non Audyssey setup. See if you like it more.
Hi Shane. Another great review. I have a question. I have a dedicated room aprox 24 x 11.5 ft . I feel I would really benefit in getting 6 Atmos speakers. I am considering buying the Denon 8500 which will provide that but I could also go with the 6700 but purchase a two channel amp to give me the thirteen channels. From a price perspective the 8500 might be the way to go for 1000 dollars more. I would spend that on another outboard amp anyways with the 6700. Plus I can also see myself going with the JVC nx7 in the future so I don’t think 8 k will be a big deal in the next 4 to 5 years anyways. I would love to get your thoughts. Plus sound wise I’m assuming the 8500 will deliver more juice. Please help. Love your channel. It’s first rate.
Hey Shane, whats the closest I can get to the bright clear signals of good old Integra, the new Integra DRX was disappointing with Accueq, should do manual eq band by band but surround sounds weak in them something has changed they feel much lighter as well? What is the next best I can safely try Denon, NAD (Anthem was neutral, Marantz was too warm for me, not my sound type). Or should it be processor route? I want to maintain that sparkle at high ends due to the choice of music I listen to, else it cuts off those frequencies and it almost sounds artificial - Any hints would be much appreciated, since you had more chance and gear experience:) - Thanks
The HMDI 2.1 chip from Panasonic used by Denon, Marantz, and others has a hardware fault. 4k/120Hz will not function. Recalls, returns, and replacements might be the only way for the entire 2020 lineup. It CANNOT be fixed via a software update.
I pissed, I paid extra for the 2020 over the 2019 to get that feature and now im stuck with a 2020 receiver that perform like the 2019. I want my money back even if my 90 days return period is over.
Hi Shane, as always your videos are top notch and informative. Kudos for you 👏👏👏. Since my Denon 4400 died a few weeks ago right now I’m searching for a good 9 or 11 receiver and the best thing is that last year models are now at a good price. I’m having a tough decision between the 6500 or 6700. I know the 6700 have DTS X Pro so I could have front wides or a third pair of Atmos speakers, but the recent price drop of the 6500H to $1599 is hard to pass. Does anyone had the 6500 and recently upgraded to the 6700. I would like to know if there are some sound differences? I’ve read in some forums that the 6700 seems to have the SNR a bit higher, causing at bit of distortion at reference levels. Aunt thoughts will be appreciated.
@@therealshanelee you’re right, I have a 4K projector, so the 2.1 hdmi can wait a 2 or 3 more years. I will go we the 6500h and pair it with my Parasound amp for the front stage. Thanks for the push I need for my decision 😂
I got this bad boy with Factory Certified pre-own for $600 less. I upgraded from my Denon AVRX1300W to get the pre-amp mode and to be able to upgrade to 9.2.4. Happy with my decision so far.
For those wanting to delay upgrading their AVR + in wall cabling for eArc for next gen consoles but want to upgrade their TV first; Consider upgrade path: Console > Powered HDMI 2.1 @ 40Gbps HDMI 2.1 repeater to two outputs: Upgraded 4k/120Hz TV/Monitor & AVR. Alternative is just an adhoc 1080p/1440p/4K @ 120hz+ monitor. HDMI 2.1-to-DP 1.4 converters potentially may become an option in the future as well, best option is to wait until the titles you want take advantage of the higher refresh rates. If SFVI is 4K@120Hz/1440p@120Hz this will be my upgrade path.
I haven't seen any HDMI 2.1 splitters/repeaters on the market yet...and are they reliable? When we went to HDMI 2.0, we had to wait quite some time for the switches and splitters to show up.
@@johnnemesh5459 correct, we need to wait for market to catch up. I'm in no rush as I can adhoc a monitor as needed for any 120fps games until the tv and avr market catches up and is competitive again. Until then I'm opting out the early adopter fees.
@@johnnemesh5459 same, you'll have to dyor as with any net new tech and await reviews of powered repeaters and if they pass through all the codecs w/o issue.
Hey Shane, can you give me advice on what model to pick for my Kef R series speakers. I’m on the bus to either get the newer denon 4800H or the 6700H. I can get the 6700H at the same price of the newer 4800H ($1000 off) in Canada. I just don’t know much about audio receivers. I will have a 5.1.4 setup. Will the 4800H be good enough? Since it’s got updated features like 7 2.1 hdmi ports and Dirac. Which tbe 6700H doesn’t. The rep at my local store said for sound quality the 6700H is way better then 4800H. Please let me know
Can anyone tell me if this is a better choice then te new 4800? I dont need the extras the 4800 offers. No Dirac Live, no 4 subs, no hd gui . I heard from an account manager Sound United that the audio quality of the 6700 is much better
It means you are driving the receiver hard by having to supply more voltage and producing more heat. Increase the volume/gain on the subwoofer itself and then re-run calibration until you get just below 0.0db level in the avr subwoofer level
I need some advice, Am pretty new to Home Theater, I have The Denon AVR-X3700H, I am running all 9 channels, I do think the Denon AVR-X3700H is alittle under powered at 105 watts per ch, I was thinking of either Returning the Denon AVR-X3700H and getting the Denon AVR-X6700H, Or would you keep the Denon AVR-X3700H and get a external amplifier which will be better?
@@georgepopescu1327 I endup keeping my Denon AVR-X3700H and purchasing the Rotel 1585 Power Amplifier, The Amplifier is amazing, But still wonder if I should atleast go with the Denon AVR-X4700H or just keep the 3700
@@monroethegreat7539 4700 also have Auro 3D so if you are willing to give it a try I belive you will be impressed but not with ceilling speakers, you need proper auro layout. You dont need native auro movies, just use the auromatic upmixer for everything, including atmos movies. If you are not willing to go up this route, there is no reason to change that 3700.
You forgot to mention it also brings 13.1 to DTSX new DTSX Pro layout similar to Auro 3D layout and a full 13.1 Auro 3D which finally allows for a top center height speaker.
Also you can have atmos on this configuration except that center height and VOG will stay quiet. It's the first time when all of those 3 tech can be had on the same layout, as atmos works well with heights despite what many belive.
Denon build quality and reliability is outstanding - my AVR 6300H is still performing brilliantly and has Atmos/DTS-X and the Auro 3d upgrade pack so I won’t be changing it anytime soon.. ..but if you are in the market for a new receiver this new Denon is probably ideal for 90% of movie fans.
I. In the market for a new av rec. Ive been on ebay and found loads of faulty denon 4k receivers most o ly 2 years old. Bit worrying that there a more faulty newer Denon and Onkyo AV amps than a faulty Marantz amp.
Hello Shane. Is it possible to run preamp mode for some channels while using the internal amps for other channels. In other words, can preamp mode be assigned to specific channels, or is it all or nothing? Thank you for this review and in advance for your time and consideration.
I love the irony, it mentions "Please use Ultra High Speed 48Gbps HDMI cables for 8K" & yet it tops out at 40Gbps with no DSC support, I understand you probably don't NEED the full 48Gbps bandwidth, the thing is when 2.1 was initially announced way back in Nov 2017 they were touting "48 48 48 48Gbps" as the next best thing, fast forward to 2019/2020 & Samsung's 2019/20 TVs feature a singular 40Gbps 2.1 port as well as Sony's 2019/20 Z9G/Z8H ranges with a meagre 40Gbps & then LG were strong for 2019 but for 2020 threw a spanner in the works with their 4K OLED tvs only supporting 40Gbps but their 8K OLEDs support the full 48Gbps bandwidth only on 2 ports I believe.
I'm fine with TVs only supporting 40Gbps if their panel can only do 8bit instead of 10 bit or whatever the numbers are but an AVR should support 48Gbps since it needs to be able to work with both for when we eventually do get the higher bit panels from TV brands.
Is it me or was there a blue haze on ur projector @7:40?? Also it seemed a little tilted watching midway with the black bar seeming bigger at bottom right than the bottom left
Great review, my question is using this in preamplifier mode with seperate Amps would there be any difference between that or getting a X 4700 for the same use as processor? Would the quality be the same?
I'm not sure I fully understand the question. However, with either the 6700H or 4700H, you'll gain better sound going with external amps. If you are comparing the 6700H and using internal amplifications vs using 4700H with external amplifications, then go with the 4700H. The internal amp difference between the two is insignificant. Main difference with the 6700H is gaining two more channels to be at DTSx-PRO level. That's it!
@John Rogers Hi John, My HT room is open from both sides which causes no reflections whatsoever. I need the extra power of the 6700. Luckily I have a friend who is buying my X4500 for a decent price.
Hello all. I'm on the fence with XMC-2 vs 6700 for DTSX-Pro and IMAX Enhanced and AURO 3D. The 2.1 doesn't concern me much. I am using Emotiva amps and am curious about balanced connections as well. I'm using a Denon 6300H at the moment and have really good imaging that improved ( I was shocked at the difference) so much after switching to 2.1 cables for all HDMI connections, I had to call an audio buddy over to check my findings. We were blown away. I'm running all SVS speakers in 7.2.4. Suggestions?
The 6700 will sound the same as the 6300. If you want IMAX enhanced and auro then you will want Denon. If you want balanced connections you want the XMC. One is also a receiver and one is a processor.
@@therealshanelee Thanks for the feedback. I'm gonna stick with the XMC. I think I'll see the biggest gains in that unit. I always watch your videos and look forward to them. Thanks again:)
Why do we get so little feedback on the HDMI switching performance. There are plenty of reports in forums of this first gen 8K Sound United setup having issues. (not able to get 8K/60 for example on LG, inferior 8K upsampling vs built in to 8K display, etc)
You did use a emotiva amp. I was wondering if you used the dr3. You never gave a full review of the dr3. Youthman gave an unboxing a year ago but never gave a review. Are you using a dr3 . I’m ready to buy one just want your input
@@therealshanelee you just did a unboxing with the xmc. You never talked about power sound anything. If you rewatch it you will see you did not say how it sounds to your rotel you have that pushes 300 watts. The dr3 does 450 watts. Can you tell a difference from the rotel at 300 watts vs the dr3 that does 450
@@shawnulery51 the DR3 is a solid amp. Tons of power for the money and just plain works well. I have had it for about 8 months and love it. I actually did a review on it on my channel, I wouldn't leave you hangin like Shane and Youthman did... lol ;) I expected better from you Shane...
@@LifeofBliss I never leave people hangin! Ever! 😏 Don’t forget I’ve got a Patreon for quick access www.patreon.com/SpareChange But yes there’s a review on the Dr3 on the channel. A little 🔍 and you will find. Just sayin.
@@therealshanelee 😂 I just had to give you a hard time. I'm probably the worst at showing something and waiting months to finish up a review or build...
soo the problem is "chip set " for hdmi 2.1 there is a way to bypass it for the time being, but the issue isnt going to be fixed via software update. most likely has to be sent back to manufacturer.
Hey Shane, I got the denon receiver when it came out. I have a lg c8 oled. I use an apple tv and have had issue when turning on my apple tv and exiting a movie. I get a no signal image on my screen as if I'm not watching anything. Other than that the denon is great
Really disappointing. Both Denon and Marantz only offer a SINGLE "8k" input! What people don't understand is that this "8k" input is ALSO what you will need for 4k@120hz. Why is this important? Because both Sony and Xbox are releasing consoles next month that support this format! And some TV's, like Samsung, only offer a single HDMI 2.1 port that will work! (Samsung also puts the HDMI 2.1 port on port 4, but ARC is on port 3...stupid!) Is it too much to ask for 3 ports on an AVR of this price that will support the highest quality signal available? I mean, gamers would typically have a PC, an Xbox AND a PS5. Yamaha is the only company offering 3 HDMI 2.1 ports this year. Up your game, Denon!
Just plug your Consoles in to the 8K or 4K 120Hz tv, then use the Earc to send the sound to the Receiver. Most TV's will upscale internally as well. I have the Denon x6700H. plus a Powerful workstation I built with an Nvidia 3090 GPU, so will play games in 8K when I have some free time.
I was planning to find a deal on SR8015 for $2,300 USD... but I just found a 6700H for $1,200 USD so I think I will just get that for 100% movie watching.
Is it too early to upgrade to 8K from 4k since we do not have lot of 8k content and TVs in wide range of users choice ? Would you please provide me your honest opinion since I'm a regular viewer of your channel? I'm confused to buy SR6014 or SR7015 at this time..
This AVR should really be commended for providing “affordable” access to 13 channels and DTSX Pro after future firmware update. Not all of us are ballers rocking Trinnovs 😉
Just before the pandemic I auditioned a Openbox Denon 6500, the user interface and the graphics were absolutely top-notch but when it came to the most important part, the sound quality i was so convinced that there was no way it could possibly sound like this, so therefore I returned the Openbox and purchased a brand new Denon 6500 and sadly it had the exact same sound. If this experience has taught me anything, it is to stay well away from a digital amplifiers sound!
Why would you not test Aduyssey and their "janky" app if you are evaluating the AVR - why not use what the AVR brings to the table. Even if I don't choose to use Audyssey I still let it run to calibrate my speaker distances, and subwoofer distances. Physical distance is NOT correct for subwoofers, (and sometimes not with speakers) so by using manual distances you have done your experience a disservice.
@@therealshanelee It's not just unsubstantiated opinion. It's my experience, from coming up on two decades of using audyssey, and calibrating many systems and reviewing calibration afterwards with my omnimic - my own system and dozens of others. Not setting distances correctly can affect phase and crossover settings to the detriment of the entire experience. Physical distance is not directly tied to correct impulse response timings when signal is going through external amplifiers, and EQ (such as on active subwoofers, or amplified speakers). On second watch I see you did run Audyssey. Running Audyssey and turning it off is fine, because you are using the correct distances (timing) for your speakers and subs. You don't have to like how Audyssey EQ's, but it traditionally does very well on setting channel distances, so that part of it is worth running - even if you turn off Audyssey afterwards. I thought originally you had just manually set all the distances.
@@jvonengeln you seem to know your stuff mate . I didn't like my sound after running audyssey ( anemic) but then I used dynamic eq and turned down my rear hights and side down 6db . ( reference offset at 15) WOW ! I know most don't use it but it's literally saved me buying a new avr . I listen at -30 ( and that's blasting in my house)
sound like a recall there, im gland im not a marantz/denon fan, only got problems with my previous Denon and Marantz now they messed up the hdmi board right to the start.. they should refund all theses junk and remake the board entirely to gel all 8 k passed on every port like yamaha will., this is just laughing at peoples and to make massed productions buggy products and releasing a new model every 8 month
I don't care about 8k at all but finally having a more affordable 13.1 receiver with support for Auro 3D it's huge. And before asking me how many Auro 3D movies are out there keep in mind that the most interesting thing about this technology is the 3D auromatic. For upscaling the old 5.1/7.1 DTS HD MASTER/Dolby trueHD the Auro 3D upscaller is much more advanced than both DTS and Dolby upmixers.
Denon has issues with their HDMI boards, two I have had burnt out in less then two years, and nothing to do with overheating, boards just stopped working. Never will buy another Denon.
Yeah, looks like Denon jumped the gun on these with next gen consoles. Not surprised when you can't hardware test something first. To be fair, none of these new gen games are going to run 120fps anyway.
@@therealshanelee pssst kid, when you wanna play with hifi enthusiasts stop using those dumb youtube clickbait words... game ready... on a 2500€ avr... if it weren't game ready u dumb idiot. 😂
Am I the only one who's sick and tired of this 4k 120 fps XBOX series X and PS5 nonsense? There will be 0 ...let me say again 0 games at that refresh rate and quality for the next 2 or 3 years maybe longer ,4k 60 fps aka hdmi 2.0 capable specs ,that's all you getting for now on the new consoles... unless youre willing to spend some serious buck on the graphic card and have a high end PC ,there's no need to mention it otherwise.
There's multiple 4k @ 120hz titles available at launch. I won't be upgrading to HDMI 2.1/4K 120Hz/40-48Gbps in wall cabling, TV, AVR until there's a significant library available I want to play using those new framerates at that resolution. Until then will purchase an adhoc 1440p/120Hz 23"-27" monitor for any competitive titles as needed.
@@mikahl757 these titles CAN run upto 120fps ,sure maybe at 1080p or 1440p ,but not at 4K, these guys know how to twist phrases so it benefits them, don't worry ...no way these games will run at 4K 120fps on lunch .
@@kovalveli ? There are 4k 120Hz titles like Ori. Not AAA titles, they would have to drop to low settings like Dirt 5 running 1440p @ 120Hz. Fixed 4k 60Hz and competitive 1080p/1440p 120Hz are my expectations this gen. with the low gpu/cpu net new titles achieving 4k 120Hz and BC games with native or patched unlocked frame rate/res also achieving 4K@120Hz.
@@mikahl757 for AAA titles 1080/1440p at 120FPS or upscaled 4K is realistic ,you can't really compare game like Ori to Call of duty ...my point is NATIVE 4K at 120pfs ...not upscaled bs. WON'T happen, fake 4k @120fps yeah ... you cannot buy a box for 500 $ and expect performance of a high end PC dude.
@@kovalveli you're preaching to the quire, enjoy your next gen consoles and if you're strictly a pc gamer, enjoy your pc gaming and opinions on console gaming. Either way, have a good day and stay safe (-_-)=b
Hi Shane,
How’d you rate the X6700H vs. NAD T778? Which one would you choose for both stereo music, movies and games?
And btw thanks for the always great content @SpareChange!
The sound on this beast is beautiful. I am coming from an Integra DRX5, and the difference is night and day.
I can't say for that model of a Denon but I have a Denon 2400 I've had for about 3 years now and it's been awesome it works well with the Klipsch speakers and subwoofer.
There are Reports the hdmi 2.1 got issues displaying 4k @120hz
I believe you have run Xbox or playstation directly to the TV (hdmi) and then eARC back to the receiver, i think that is the "temp" fix.
i hope this helps! heres the info directly:
Some new gaming source devices that support 4K/120Hz output may not work fully with Denon 8K AVRs. You may discover this incompatibility issue due to a HDMI chipset mismatch between the devices. When the affected system is connected to the AVR via 8K HDMI input and set to output at 4K/120Hz, and the AVR’s 4K Signal Format option is set to “8K Enhanced,” you may not see the system’s source video on their display, and may not hear the system’s source audio processed through the AVR. This problem is only present when a display that supports 4K/120Hz is used.
---You can connect the system to the display directly via HDMI and use the display’s ARC/eARC functionality to feed the native audio back to the AVR using the connected HDMI cable between the AVR and display. This will allow users to decode the native audio format sent from the source. With this method, the display’s CEC/ARC option must be enabled as well as the AVR’s HDMI Control and/or the AVR’s ARC option. In the AVR, this option is located within the GUI under “Video - HDMI Setup.”
--Another workaround is to leave or change the source’s video output to 4K/60Hz instead of 4K/120Hz until a permanent solution is available. This will ensure reliable communication between the source, the AVR and the display. The source’s default is set to output at 4K/60Hz, so if no change was initiated out of the box, then nothing further needs to be done
Can't wait to get one of these just now figuring out my home theater setup !
Sparechange so 8k doesn' t make sense right now so even if I go with the denon 3600h will still be good and for my projector I have a optoma hd 142x I was thinking about d pioneer elite lx304 but it doesn't have as much pre outs
it's also for 4k@120hz...which is what the latest game consoles (and PC video cards) support.
@@johnnemesh5459 his projector doesn’t support 4K 120hz
I have a Denon from about 2 or 3 years ago and it had some weird bugs right out of the box. The video signal would completely go away after 10 minutes or so when connected to the Xbox One X and PlayStation 4. If I re-selected the input via the remote, it would come back on and stay on until the AVR was powered off. All cables were 18.5 GBPS. This would happen every single time the AVR was powered up without fail. No, I couldn't do a workaround like switching inputs around right after I powered it up. It NEEDED to drop out once before it was happy. Made me despise the janky build quality of Denon. Eventually a Denon tech gave me a firmware upgrade to apply with USB (the network firmwares didn't fix the issue). His USB firmware did fix my video dropout issue. However now the network features of the AVR no longer work at all. I give up.
I have the same issue with my brand new x4700!
I got the x6700. There have been a few quirky things. I didn't have the issue you had when using the XBOX/PS4. I use a PS4. There was an annoying issue with my setup; Apple TV 4K/PS4 PRO connected to Denon then to my LG CX, where depedning on what was turned on first would sometimes cause this annoying flashing of the volume level and losing/regaining a signal. Shutting everything off, then back on again usually resolved it. But the last time it happened I did a factory reset of my LG CX. And that seemed to fix it. I later read that the volume flashing/signal flashing can be caused by the LG CX CEC's capability. That's where the TV works through HDMI to automatically switch to whatever device you are using. With it off, you have to manually switch it between APPLE TV/PS4/LG. So this issue appears to due to the LG CX that was connected, not the Denon.
The HDMI cable tester of the unit does not reliably work. And the results it gives; sometimes the cable passes and sometimes it doesn't make it unusable.
Despite those quirks, it seems to work fine otherwise.
I’ve had a firmware update kill the network connection. Reset all setting restored network functionality for me.
I just updated my lg c8. Then I factory reset my tv. My denon doesn't lose signal or glitch when using my apple tv. Thanks !!
Which you prefer? the Nad T778 or the X6700H? Thanks.
Individual defeatable amps would be perfect for those that just want to upgrade the amps on the front three and let the AVR power the rest
Defeatable amps?
Being able to turn off (or 'defeat') individual channel amps instead of the current all-or-nothing implementation.
Was going to buy one of these but been hearing problems with the Panasonic board they're using. Plus one 8k port.
yeah cant do raw 2.1 hdmi so useless for box and ps5 so much for game ready - id be refunding if I got one
Suggestion, if you still have this model, run Audyssey to get the distances which are spatial, not physical and then plug in these distances for your non Audyssey setup. See if you like it more.
Does it sound better ? My speakers sound terrible after audyssey
Hi Shane. Another great review. I have a question. I have a dedicated room aprox 24 x 11.5 ft . I feel I would really benefit in getting 6 Atmos speakers. I am considering buying the Denon 8500 which will provide that but I could also go with the 6700 but purchase a two channel amp to give me the thirteen channels. From a price perspective the 8500 might be the way to go for 1000 dollars more. I would spend that on another outboard amp anyways with the 6700. Plus I can also see myself going with the JVC nx7 in the future so I don’t think 8 k will be a big deal in the next 4 to 5 years anyways. I would love to get your thoughts. Plus sound wise I’m assuming the 8500 will deliver more juice. Please help. Love your channel. It’s first rate.
Hey Shane, whats the closest I can get to the bright clear signals of good old Integra, the new Integra DRX was disappointing with Accueq, should do manual eq band by band but surround sounds weak in them something has changed they feel much lighter as well?
What is the next best I can safely try Denon, NAD (Anthem was neutral, Marantz was too warm for me, not my sound type). Or should it be processor route? I want to maintain that sparkle at high ends due to the choice of music I listen to, else it cuts off those frequencies and it almost sounds artificial - Any hints would be much appreciated, since you had more chance and gear experience:) - Thanks
The HMDI 2.1 chip from Panasonic used by Denon, Marantz, and others has a hardware fault. 4k/120Hz will not function. Recalls, returns, and replacements might be the only way for the entire 2020 lineup. It CANNOT be fixed via a software update.
I pissed, I paid extra for the 2020 over the 2019 to get that feature and now im stuck with a 2020 receiver that perform like the 2019. I want my money back even if my 90 days return period is over.
Hi Shane, as always your videos are top notch and informative. Kudos for you 👏👏👏.
Since my Denon 4400 died a few weeks ago right now I’m searching for a good 9 or 11 receiver and the best thing is that last year models are now at a good price. I’m having a tough decision between the 6500 or 6700. I know the 6700 have DTS X Pro so I could have front wides or a third pair of Atmos speakers, but the recent price drop of the 6500H to $1599 is hard to pass. Does anyone had the 6500 and recently upgraded to the 6700. I would like to know if there are some sound differences? I’ve read in some forums that the 6700 seems to have the SNR a bit higher, causing at bit of distortion at reference levels. Aunt thoughts will be appreciated.
If you think your gonna need those hdmi 2.1 features then it's an easy choice. If not then get the 6500 and save some cash.
@@therealshanelee you’re right, I have a 4K projector, so the 2.1 hdmi can wait a 2 or 3 more years. I will go we the 6500h and pair it with my Parasound amp for the front stage. Thanks for the push I need for my decision 😂
I got this bad boy with Factory Certified pre-own for $600 less. I upgraded from my Denon AVRX1300W to get the pre-amp mode and to be able to upgrade to 9.2.4. Happy with my decision so far.
For those wanting to delay upgrading their AVR + in wall cabling for eArc for next gen consoles but want to upgrade their TV first; Consider upgrade path: Console > Powered HDMI 2.1 @ 40Gbps HDMI 2.1 repeater to two outputs: Upgraded 4k/120Hz TV/Monitor & AVR. Alternative is just an adhoc 1080p/1440p/4K @ 120hz+ monitor. HDMI 2.1-to-DP 1.4 converters potentially may become an option in the future as well, best option is to wait until the titles you want take advantage of the higher refresh rates. If SFVI is 4K@120Hz/1440p@120Hz this will be my upgrade path.
I haven't seen any HDMI 2.1 splitters/repeaters on the market yet...and are they reliable? When we went to HDMI 2.0, we had to wait quite some time for the switches and splitters to show up.
@@johnnemesh5459 correct, we need to wait for market to catch up. I'm in no rush as I can adhoc a monitor as needed for any 120fps games until the tv and avr market catches up and is competitive again. Until then I'm opting out the early adopter fees.
@@johnnemesh5459 same, you'll have to dyor as with any net new tech and await reviews of powered repeaters and if they pass through all the codecs w/o issue.
Hey Shane, can you give me advice on what model to pick for my Kef R series speakers. I’m on the bus to either get the newer denon 4800H or the 6700H. I can get the 6700H at the same price of the newer 4800H ($1000 off) in Canada. I just don’t know much about audio receivers. I will have a 5.1.4 setup. Will the 4800H be good enough? Since it’s got updated features like 7 2.1 hdmi ports and Dirac. Which tbe 6700H doesn’t. The rep at my local store said for sound quality the 6700H is way better then 4800H. Please let me know
Nice job as always, I still run a 5.1 system so 8k or 13 channels not yet.
Can anyone tell me if this is a better choice then te new 4800?
I dont need the extras the 4800 offers. No Dirac Live, no 4 subs, no hd gui . I heard from an account manager Sound United that the audio quality of the 6700 is much better
6700 or denon 8015 ?
+7 db on subwoofer level trim is that safe for a reciver and subwoofer at high volumes ?
It means you are driving the receiver hard by having to supply more voltage and producing more heat.
Increase the volume/gain on the subwoofer itself and then re-run calibration until you get just below 0.0db level in the avr subwoofer level
I need some advice, Am pretty new to Home Theater, I have The Denon AVR-X3700H, I am running all 9 channels, I do think the Denon AVR-X3700H is alittle under powered at 105 watts per ch, I was thinking of either Returning the Denon AVR-X3700H and getting the Denon AVR-X6700H, Or would you keep the Denon AVR-X3700H and get a external amplifier which will be better?
Here is another idea, go for 6700 and rearange your layout speakers for Auro 3D , it's better
@@georgepopescu1327 I endup keeping my Denon AVR-X3700H and purchasing the Rotel 1585 Power Amplifier, The Amplifier is amazing, But still wonder if I should atleast go with the Denon AVR-X4700H or just keep the 3700
@@monroethegreat7539 4700 also have Auro 3D so if you are willing to give it a try I belive you will be impressed but not with ceilling speakers, you need proper auro layout. You dont need native auro movies, just use the auromatic upmixer for everything, including atmos movies.
If you are not willing to go up this route, there is no reason to change that 3700.
@@georgepopescu1327 ok thank you for the advice, Do you think the Rotel 1585 is a good Amplifier?
@@monroethegreat7539 lol yes, there is not AVR receiver on the market , regardless of the price, able to compete with it.
Hi Shane, if you had a choice to use this Denon in Pre/Pro mode or the Anthem AVM 60 as a processor, which would you choose?
Hi Shane
Thanks for your videos. Can I ask which would you choose between this and the Nad T778?
I'm assuming you seen the 778 review?
@@therealshanelee I have Shane but was hoping to put you on the spot by asking which one you would go for between the two?
Great review Shane! What didn't you like about Audyssey?
It's not as accurate or as finely tuneable as Dirac or Anthem's ARC software.
I have ordered 4700H 8k after trade-in of 4500H 🇳🇱👍😁👍🇳🇱
You forgot to mention it also brings 13.1 to DTSX new DTSX Pro layout similar to Auro 3D layout and a full 13.1 Auro 3D which finally allows for a top center height speaker.
Also you can have atmos on this configuration except that center height and VOG will stay quiet. It's the first time when all of those 3 tech can be had on the same layout, as atmos works well with heights despite what many belive.
@@georgepopescu1327 I've been running all 3 since 2016 on my x4200 and then x4500
@@MrSuperman258401 yeah but your back surround speakers didn't work with auro , now they do with this new line of AVR s
@@georgepopescu1327 yes you can have full AURO setup finally, ran 9.1 / 5.1.4 for a while. Upgrading to 13.1 AURO dtsX pro, 7.1.4 Atmos
Denon build quality and reliability is outstanding - my AVR 6300H is still performing brilliantly and has Atmos/DTS-X and the Auro 3d upgrade pack so I won’t be changing it anytime soon.. ..but if you are in the market for a new receiver this new Denon is probably ideal for 90% of movie fans.
Bull had two Denon receivers both burnt out HDMI boards within two years. Never again.
So audyssey is not really that great would u prefer pioneer mcacc advance calibration
Why didn't you stipulated the year of Release for this one?
I. In the market for a new av rec. Ive been on ebay and found loads of faulty denon 4k receivers most o ly 2 years old. Bit worrying that there a more faulty newer Denon and Onkyo AV amps than a faulty Marantz amp.
Don't shop on eBay.
HDMI 2.1 is broken on Denon, Marantz, Yamaha
Hello Shane. Is it possible to run preamp mode for some channels while using the internal amps for other channels. In other words, can preamp mode be assigned to specific channels, or is it all or nothing? Thank you for this review and in advance for your time and consideration.
It’s all or nothing
Hey Shane, have you used Dirac bass management? Is it worth the $500 upgrade from the regular for multiple subs?
I love the irony, it mentions "Please use Ultra High Speed 48Gbps HDMI cables for 8K" & yet it tops out at 40Gbps with no DSC support, I understand you probably don't NEED the full 48Gbps bandwidth, the thing is when 2.1 was initially announced way back in Nov 2017 they were touting "48 48 48 48Gbps" as the next best thing, fast forward to 2019/2020 & Samsung's 2019/20 TVs feature a singular 40Gbps 2.1 port as well as Sony's 2019/20 Z9G/Z8H ranges with a meagre 40Gbps & then LG were strong for 2019 but for 2020 threw a spanner in the works with their 4K OLED tvs only supporting 40Gbps but their 8K OLEDs support the full 48Gbps bandwidth only on 2 ports I believe.
I'm fine with TVs only supporting 40Gbps if their panel can only do 8bit instead of 10 bit or whatever the numbers are but an AVR should support 48Gbps since it needs to be able to work with both for when we eventually do get the higher bit panels from TV brands.
Is it me or was there a blue haze on ur projector @7:40??
Also it seemed a little tilted watching midway with the black bar seeming bigger at bottom right than the bottom left
Great review, my question is using this in preamplifier mode with seperate Amps would there be any difference between that or getting a X 4700 for the same use as processor? Would the quality be the same?
I'm not sure I fully understand the question. However, with either the 6700H or 4700H, you'll gain better sound going with external amps. If you are comparing the 6700H and using internal amplifications vs using 4700H with external amplifications, then go with the 4700H. The internal amp difference between the two is insignificant. Main difference with the 6700H is gaining two more channels to be at DTSx-PRO level. That's it!
Great Review as always, Thank you, This is my next upgrade from X4500. The issue is this model is sold out every where!
Value electronics can order it for you. Call them.
Hi Shane, Unfortunately we do not have Value Electronics in Canada.
@John Rogers Hi John, My HT room is open from both sides which causes no reflections whatsoever. I need the extra power of the 6700. Luckily I have a friend who is buying my X4500 for a decent price.
Hello all. I'm on the fence with XMC-2 vs 6700 for DTSX-Pro and IMAX Enhanced and AURO 3D. The 2.1 doesn't concern me much. I am using Emotiva amps and am curious about balanced connections as well. I'm using a Denon 6300H at the moment and have really good imaging that improved ( I was shocked at the difference) so much after switching to 2.1 cables for all HDMI connections, I had to call an audio buddy over to check my findings. We were blown away. I'm running all SVS speakers in 7.2.4. Suggestions?
The 6700 will sound the same as the 6300. If you want IMAX enhanced and auro then you will want Denon. If you want balanced connections you want the XMC. One is also a receiver and one is a processor.
@@therealshanelee Thanks for the feedback. I'm gonna stick with the XMC. I think I'll see the biggest gains in that unit. I always watch your videos and look forward to them. Thanks again:)
Why do we get so little feedback on the HDMI switching performance. There are plenty of reports in forums of this first gen 8K Sound United setup having issues. (not able to get 8K/60 for example on LG, inferior 8K upsampling vs built in to 8K display, etc)
As mentioned in the video, I have nothing 8k to try otherwise I would have.
@@therealshanelee Thanks for the review. Safe to assume 4K switching went well with this unit?
if the online movie source is 5.1. does it sound great when you put it for 13.5?
You did use a emotiva amp. I was wondering if you used the dr3. You never gave a full review of the dr3. Youthman gave an unboxing a year ago but never gave a review. Are you using a dr3 . I’m ready to buy one just want your input
I'm sure I did a review on it.
@@therealshanelee you just did a unboxing with the xmc. You never talked about power sound anything. If you rewatch it you will see you did not say how it sounds to your rotel you have that pushes 300 watts. The dr3 does 450 watts.
Can you tell a difference from the rotel at 300 watts vs the dr3 that does 450
@@shawnulery51 the DR3 is a solid amp. Tons of power for the money and just plain works well. I have had it for about 8 months and love it. I actually did a review on it on my channel, I wouldn't leave you hangin like Shane and Youthman did... lol ;) I expected better from you Shane...
@@LifeofBliss I never leave people hangin! Ever! 😏 Don’t forget I’ve got a Patreon for quick access
www.patreon.com/SpareChange
But yes there’s a review on the Dr3 on the channel. A little 🔍 and you will find. Just sayin.
@@therealshanelee 😂 I just had to give you a hard time. I'm probably the worst at showing something and waiting months to finish up a review or build...
Tell Denon to include more than one 8K port. This is just another previous gen receiver with one 8k port. Nothing has changed since the X6400h
I have 6400h. its has Earc. so no change at all. 2.1 tvs come with Earc... no change at all for me
It does process 13.2 channels... 7.1.6 or 9.1.4. That is an improvement.
6709h does have preamp mode as well
soo the problem is "chip set " for hdmi 2.1 there is a way to bypass it for the time being, but the issue isnt going to be fixed via software update. most likely has to be sent back to manufacturer.
I'm looking forward to the new anthem review lol
How are the subs connected? Can I do 7.2.4?
Were you able to test out the cable testing utility that is built into this AVR?
Hey Shane,
I got the denon receiver when it came out. I have a lg c8 oled. I use an apple tv and have had issue when turning on my apple tv and exiting a movie. I get a no signal image on my screen as if I'm not watching anything. Other than that the denon is great
Haven’t had that issue.
That's weird. I thank you for the opportunity to get some feedback in the comments. It may be LG product.
Really disappointing. Both Denon and Marantz only offer a SINGLE "8k" input! What people don't understand is that this "8k" input is ALSO what you will need for 4k@120hz. Why is this important? Because both Sony and Xbox are releasing consoles next month that support this format! And some TV's, like Samsung, only offer a single HDMI 2.1 port that will work! (Samsung also puts the HDMI 2.1 port on port 4, but ARC is on port 3...stupid!) Is it too much to ask for 3 ports on an AVR of this price that will support the highest quality signal available? I mean, gamers would typically have a PC, an Xbox AND a PS5. Yamaha is the only company offering 3 HDMI 2.1 ports this year. Up your game, Denon!
Just plug your Consoles in to the 8K or 4K 120Hz tv, then use the Earc to send the sound to the Receiver. Most TV's will upscale internally as well. I have the Denon x6700H. plus a Powerful workstation I built with an Nvidia 3090 GPU, so will play games in 8K when I have some free time.
Is input lag for gaming effected at all when running through an amp?
It would be yes. Not to mention certain TVs can cause input lag on their own.
No i use a sony dh770 with no additional input lag as long as you passthrough.
If visual processing is off then no, there is no additional lag.
I’m really curious how Yamaha’s new 2020/21 AVR‘s will compare to Denon/Marantz.
Marantz 8k SR8015
@@victorignacioflorescariman1551 what the better Denon avc 6700 h or marantz sr 7015 or 8015 ? Thanks
Excellent review
Does this still have the defective Panasonic hdmi 2.1 chips that show a black screen when attempting to use 4K120 or 8K60?
This is a current year model.
@@therealshanelee so is that a yes?
Hi shane Do you prefer audessey’s reference or flat setting and what do you think of DEQ (dynamic eq)
I don't use either.
I have DEQ off but prefer reference.
I have a 4400 I want to get 6700 or 8015 marantz wish one better Thank you
What did you get . I have same question
I was planning to find a deal on SR8015 for $2,300 USD... but I just found a 6700H for $1,200 USD so I think I will just get that for 100% movie watching.
Is it too early to upgrade to 8K from 4k since we do not have lot of 8k content and TVs in wide range of users choice ? Would you please provide me your honest opinion since I'm a regular viewer of your channel? I'm confused to buy SR6014 or SR7015 at this time..
I have Denon 4400 I want to upgrade 6700 i’m playing 9.1 Channel it be better I have now
Yes. They are in stock at value electronics.
Can You review the Denon A110
This AVR should really be commended for providing “affordable” access to 13 channels and DTSX Pro after future firmware update. Not all of us are ballers rocking Trinnovs 😉
No Trinnov was mentioned in this video 🤷🏻♂️😁
Hey spare Change will a denon beat a pioneer elite receiver
Yes. Denon much better sound. Pioneer to bright
@@oscarbaia3 That's what the manual EQ is for.
Not really. I had a few Pioneers and Onkyos and with some speakers they are too bright. No EQ will suffice
Being a Pioneer fanboy, sadly Pioneer never moved wth the times after Onkyo bought it’s AV division!
Just before the pandemic I auditioned a Openbox Denon 6500, the user interface and the graphics were absolutely top-notch but when it came to the most important part, the sound quality i was so convinced that there was no way it could possibly sound like this, so therefore I returned the Openbox and purchased a brand new Denon 6500 and sadly it had the exact same sound. If this experience has taught me anything, it is to stay well away from a digital amplifiers sound!
Why would you not test Aduyssey and their "janky" app if you are evaluating the AVR - why not use what the AVR brings to the table. Even if I don't choose to use Audyssey I still let it run to calibrate my speaker distances, and subwoofer distances. Physical distance is NOT correct for subwoofers, (and sometimes not with speakers) so by using manual distances you have done your experience a disservice.
That's your opinion of course. Thanks for sharing it.
@@therealshanelee It's not just unsubstantiated opinion. It's my experience, from coming up on two decades of using audyssey, and calibrating many systems and reviewing calibration afterwards with my omnimic - my own system and dozens of others. Not setting distances correctly can affect phase and crossover settings to the detriment of the entire experience. Physical distance is not directly tied to correct impulse response timings when signal is going through external amplifiers, and EQ (such as on active subwoofers, or amplified speakers). On second watch I see you did run Audyssey. Running Audyssey and turning it off is fine, because you are using the correct distances (timing) for your speakers and subs. You don't have to like how Audyssey EQ's, but it traditionally does very well on setting channel distances, so that part of it is worth running - even if you turn off Audyssey afterwards.
I thought originally you had just manually set all the distances.
@@jvonengeln you seem to know your stuff mate . I didn't like my sound after running audyssey ( anemic) but then I used dynamic eq and turned down my rear hights and side down 6db . ( reference offset at 15) WOW ! I know most don't use it but it's literally saved me buying a new avr . I listen at -30 ( and that's blasting in my house)
sound like a recall there, im gland im not a marantz/denon fan, only got problems with my previous Denon and Marantz now they messed up the hdmi board right to the start.. they should refund all theses junk and remake the board entirely to gel all 8 k passed on every port like yamaha will., this is just laughing at peoples and to make massed productions buggy products and releasing a new model every 8 month
I don't care about 8k at all but finally having a more affordable 13.1 receiver with support for Auro 3D it's huge. And before asking me how many Auro 3D movies are out there keep in mind that the most interesting thing about this technology is the 3D auromatic. For upscaling the old 5.1/7.1 DTS HD MASTER/Dolby trueHD the Auro 3D upscaller is much more advanced than both DTS and Dolby upmixers.
Monoprice htp-1!!! Please!!!!!
Nice review, too bad out of my price range.
problem is just 1 hdmi 2.1 input.
Nice
Upscaling to 8K is worse than in most 8K TV‘s... for that price? Nope, not for me...
Shane gave in to the budget ppls complaints! 😂
Why can someone not make quality that most people can actually afford ? Such a joke this planet
This is new tech just wait for the price to drop. I can see the 3700h next year being $800 or less around the holidays.
Denon has issues with their HDMI boards, two I have had burnt out in less then two years, and nothing to do with overheating, boards just stopped working. Never will buy another Denon.
Marantz 8k
$2500.00 for that...
2500€ but not for stereo. Lol.
Yeah, looks like Denon jumped the gun on these with next gen consoles. Not surprised when you can't hardware test something first.
To be fair, none of these new gen games are going to run 120fps anyway.
Russian translation subtitle please
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@@therealshanelee pssst kid, when you wanna play with hifi enthusiasts stop using those dumb youtube clickbait words... game ready... on a 2500€ avr... if it weren't game ready u dumb idiot. 😂
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Am I the only one who's sick and tired of this 4k 120 fps XBOX series X and PS5 nonsense?
There will be 0 ...let me say again 0 games at that refresh rate and quality for the next 2 or 3 years maybe longer ,4k 60 fps aka hdmi 2.0 capable specs ,that's all you getting for now on the new consoles... unless youre willing to spend some serious buck on the graphic card and have a high end PC ,there's no need to mention it otherwise.
There's multiple 4k @ 120hz titles available at launch. I won't be upgrading to HDMI 2.1/4K 120Hz/40-48Gbps in wall cabling, TV, AVR until there's a significant library available I want to play using those new framerates at that resolution. Until then will purchase an adhoc 1440p/120Hz 23"-27" monitor for any competitive titles as needed.
@@mikahl757 these titles CAN run upto 120fps ,sure maybe at 1080p or 1440p ,but not at 4K, these guys know how to twist phrases so it benefits them, don't worry ...no way these games will run at 4K 120fps on lunch .
@@kovalveli ? There are 4k 120Hz titles like Ori. Not AAA titles, they would have to drop to low settings like Dirt 5 running 1440p @ 120Hz. Fixed 4k 60Hz and competitive 1080p/1440p 120Hz are my expectations this gen. with the low gpu/cpu net new titles achieving 4k 120Hz and BC games with native or patched unlocked frame rate/res also achieving 4K@120Hz.
@@mikahl757 for AAA titles 1080/1440p at 120FPS or upscaled 4K is realistic ,you can't really compare game like Ori to Call of duty ...my point is NATIVE 4K at 120pfs ...not upscaled bs. WON'T happen, fake 4k @120fps yeah ... you cannot buy a box for 500 $ and expect performance of a high end PC dude.
@@kovalveli you're preaching to the quire, enjoy your next gen consoles and if you're strictly a pc gamer, enjoy your pc gaming and opinions on console gaming. Either way, have a good day and stay safe (-_-)=b