Do Ings for Walker-Peters not Downes. Alvarez is injured and could want to leave and we are planning on a selling defensive midfielder ….sounds stupid to me.
We keep hearing Downes was one of the best players in the championship last season , he is young and home grown so why ony 12 mil ? I would have though more like 20 mil. I'm confused.
Shame if it doesn't work out here for Downes but I have always been impressed by Kyle Walker-Peters in the few times I've seen him play. Like his attitude and that means a lot.
What I find difficult to understand is that it was reported that we had a turnover of 360 odd million last season & yet in another report we're skint despite the Paqueta debacle!
In hockey, with a salary cap, trades are the way deals are done. Sometimes teams will even retain some salary (still pay a portion of the player traded) in trades. Outright buying a player from a team is unheard of. Free agent signings are do happen. But buying a player off of a team like Arsenal bought Rice rarely happens in the NHL. So a swap deal plus cash like suggested in the video would be common place.
Downes is at the top of his value right now and if he stays here and plays backup to Alvarez his value will depreciate. I think swapping a backup player in Downes for a starting RB in KWP is a no brainer. Arguably he'll be better than coufal and many bigger clubs have wanted him. Only 27 so sorts full back position for a while and can cover LB also
Have you not seen the footage of Flynn singing Irons into the microphone at the Saints promotion party? True hammer who will play his heart out for us given the chance.
Hi Gonzo, just listened to Carlton Cole on Ex's pattern, he sheds brilliant light on his role as Loan manager and what happened with Calum Marshal. A great listen!
I don’t think Vlad was at times awful, I think he was old. And slow. He had to play wingers soft in order to try and keep up. And he still couldn’t keep up. And he’s not getting younger. KWP? Sure, I’d be glad to have him. Flynn? Sure, I’d be glad to have him.
As much as I love Soucek, but id be happy with an Álvarez, Downes and Potts midfield + maybe purchase a box to box midfieder in their 20's. Id love that
Yup backwards & sideways passer just like Noble was. Any player can make short passes. Fans are only up Downes's arse because he is English. If he were any other nationality no one would care. Downes is a Championship player.
9:109:10 Keep flynn Downes ! I think he has the attributes to be like Rice. He is a bit naive by flying into tackles and not keeping on his feet and giving away needless yellows. If he can adjust that and get more savvy,then we should keep him,ball retention is good, I'll say it again, he reminds me of a younger Declan... and he is a hammer !!
Swap deals are on the way up as you can artificially boost the value of homegrown players to cheat PSR. Clubs are keen to incentivize players into doing them.
I like Downes but at West Ham he is Alverez cover and at Southampton he’s the main man. It might be best for him to go. If Loppy is going to rotate regularly and sub well Flynn may get game time but he’s too good to be a mostly unused sub. It’s a shame, if Moyes had signed him he would be a regular but as he was a Warburton pick I don’t think he got a fair crack.
As others have said, it seems foolish to sell Downes who is consistently one of the top players in the Championship, home grown and a West Ham fan who may well work in Lopetegui's system. Particularly for 12m. If we're gonna do that deal, We should be looking at 20m in my opinion. Happy enough to get Walker Peters but I think we should hang on to Flynn for another season. I think we give up on players too soon.
If this happens, and of course it's only yet another rumour, it will prove to me that Steidten is not going to be the great messiah many people believed he would be. For a start Downes , imo, could potentially be a very good squad player and get a fair bit of pitch time next season, particularly as we don't know yet how much of the start of the season Alvarea will miss. But secondly , Kyle Walker-Peters ffs, what's all this about. We've allowed Johnson to leave by not offering him any sort of acceptable deal and we're contemplating replacing him with a player of equal ability, and at the same time losing an excellent central midfield player. Absolute f^^^ing lunacy if it happens.
KWP is better than Johnson. KWP starts for us, Downes is a squad player. Downes in that squad today is the 4th choice CM behind Alvarez, Souceck, and JWP. Possibly 5th if Lopotegui sees Paqueta as an 8. People differentiate between 8's and 6's too much. They take up the same positions when it comes to team selection. Realistically, you're going to be playing 3 of them at an absolute max, more than likeley 2. He falls even further down the pecking order if Kudus is seen as a 10. The deal suits the needs of both squads. We need a more progressive RB and cover at LB which is the perfect role for KWP and Downes gets to be the main man in Southampton's midfield. If Downes wasn't a West Ham fan, you'd perceive it differently
Flynn Downes is English. Hammers need to sign English players to meet regulations. Surely, the only logical thing to do is get in walker Peters in if Flynn Downes and Ben Johnson goes?!
I hope we don’t give Downes plus money .. At worst it should be a straight swap and arguably they should give us money for the importance Downes was to them last season.. I would rather do a straight sale & buy Wan- Bassaka… much better defender for me
I think this would be a good deal. Downes was fits and starts with us. One minute good the next not so. So rather than if and maybe with Downes, walker peters would be a solid addition.
I seriously hope this is just lazy journalism. Very much hoping there is no truth behind this. Downes would be a very important player for us in the prem but to lose KWP would be detrimental if we have actually lost out on signing Ben Johnson to Ipswich. Interesting point about Coufal being good defensively and poor attacking. KWP is the complete opposite. Fantastic going forwards, one of the best attacking full backs Saints has ever had however he’s very much below average defensively. If you lot do get KWP you’d surely owe us a fee with Downes included. Rather than us paying you. KWP is arguably our best player.
First ....the overrated and overvalued average Kilman and now the equally underwhelming Kyle Walker Peters ... wow we really are scraping at the bottom of the "Crap player" Barrel... are we sure Moyes has actually left? Both of these are the kinda crap player Moyes would go for ....tonally underwhelming and disappointing....talk about the more things change the more they stay the same ...can only hope both transfers fail... Kilman is overvalued at even 25 million....NO THANKS to both !!
Sorry, disagree...I think KyleWalker Peters is a pretty average right back and we can do so much better, I'd be disappointed and underwhelmed if we got KWP...we have been l8nked with some outstanding rightbacks based in Italy...would prefer any of them over KWP... personally I just dont th8nk he is that good
Not happening Kilman is not coming neither is Peters Kilman is way too much money for skint west ham and downes don't want to go to Southampton. I think west ham fans will be shocked with our transfers this season not in a good way .
Flyn downs should stay at west ham he has never been given a chance and seing as he is always one of the best players in the championship a league bowen come from need I say more he has to stay and be played
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Have to keep Flynn!!!
Do Ings for Walker-Peters not Downes. Alvarez is injured and could want to leave and we are planning on a selling defensive midfielder ….sounds stupid to me.
Gonzo, you could have least put on a multi coloured Swap Shop tank top whilst presenting this deal
🇯🇲 gonzo question with Alverez injury doesn't it make sense for West Ham to retain Downes? ⚒️⚒️⚒️
can't we give em ings instead 🦆
Fans don’t want Ings back. We’ve still not forgiven him for leaving for Villa after he claimed he’d only leave for top 6.
@@RedAndWhiteSFC Villa are a top6 side mate
@@willdoyle6952Not back then when he left us. They were in a similar position to us (lower/mid table)
No, we flogged you that dead horse already
We keep hearing Downes was one of the best players in the championship last season , he is young and home grown so why ony 12 mil ? I would have though more like 20 mil. I'm confused.
He also don't want to play for west ham
@@chrise3099also, haven't heard anyone else wants him, to drive up the price.
@chrise3099 how do you know this
Agree he's worth more than 12 million
@@chrise3099 yes he does - fake news
Shame if it doesn't work out here for Downes but I have always been impressed by Kyle Walker-Peters in the few times I've seen him play. Like his attitude and that means a lot.
What I find difficult to understand is that it was reported that we had a turnover of 360 odd million last season & yet in another report we're skint despite the Paqueta debacle!
I quite like the idea of Walker Peters but not for Downes! I'd rather Ings went instead!
Give them Ings, keep Flynn , surely a better deal for us.
In hockey, with a salary cap, trades are the way deals are done. Sometimes teams will even retain some salary (still pay a portion of the player traded) in trades.
Outright buying a player from a team is unheard of.
Free agent signings are do happen. But buying a player off of a team like Arsenal bought Rice rarely happens in the NHL.
So a swap deal plus cash like suggested in the video would be common place.
Downes is at the top of his value right now and if he stays here and plays backup to Alvarez his value will depreciate. I think swapping a backup player in Downes for a starting RB in KWP is a no brainer. Arguably he'll be better than coufal and many bigger clubs have wanted him. Only 27 so sorts full back position for a while and can cover LB also
Have you not seen the footage of Flynn singing Irons into the microphone at the Saints promotion party? True hammer who will play his heart out for us given the chance.
West Ham gotta keep this kid downes he’s the nuts of a player I be very fucked off if he goes
But if it's true he wants to leave?
@@stephenhayes6145 he doesnt want to leave
Hi Gonzo, just listened to Carlton Cole on Ex's pattern, he sheds brilliant light on his role as Loan manager and what happened with Calum Marshal. A great listen!
Noooo....(to Downes leaving)
Not sure how I feel about this
I don’t think Vlad was at times awful, I think he was old. And slow. He had to play wingers soft in order to try and keep up. And he still couldn’t keep up. And he’s not getting younger. KWP? Sure, I’d be glad to have him. Flynn? Sure, I’d be glad to have him.
Very pissed if Downes is sold. Never been particularly impressed with Walker Peters, a bang average full back.
I’d keep Downes personally
As much as I love Soucek, but id be happy with an Álvarez, Downes and Potts midfield + maybe purchase a box to box midfieder in their 20's. Id love that
He has a high pass success rate because he collects the ball from the CB then passes it straight back to them
So he's good at what he does and doesn't lose the ball in front of the defence like souchek?
Yup backwards & sideways passer just like Noble was. Any player can make short passes. Fans are only up Downes's arse because he is English. If he were any other nationality no one would care. Downes is a Championship player.
@@philwill0123 Souceck got 10 goals last season, Downes got 2.
9:10 9:10 Keep flynn Downes ! I think he has the attributes to be like Rice. He is a bit naive by flying into tackles and not keeping on his feet and giving away needless yellows. If he can adjust that and get more savvy,then we should keep him,ball retention is good, I'll say it again, he reminds me of a younger Declan... and he is a hammer !!
Outside question: are we still interested in Emile Smith Rowe?
The last swap deal I remember is Alexis Sanchez going from Arsenal to Man U with Mykitarian (probably butchered the name 😂) going the other way
Was actually the best past completion in the whole football league. 2nd was Rice.
Why we not keeping the best defensive midfielder in the championship for good cover!
Swap deals are on the way up as you can artificially boost the value of homegrown players to cheat PSR. Clubs are keen to incentivize players into doing them.
I like Flynn, we should send JWP back for Walker Peters plus money.
Agents prob. don't make as much on swap deals?
All for KWP but I'd like Downs to be given a chance if that's what he really wants.
Keep Flynn Downes .. no doubt 🔨
Ings and JWP for Walker-Peters?
I like Downes but at West Ham he is Alverez cover and at Southampton he’s the main man. It might be best for him to go. If Loppy is going to rotate regularly and sub well Flynn may get game time but he’s too good to be a mostly unused sub.
It’s a shame, if Moyes had signed him he would be a regular but as he was a Warburton pick I don’t think he got a fair crack.
Gonzo - we must have a right back in the Academy, surely he can’t be that bad and must be given an opportunity 🤔
Was man of the match in the europa games
I heard £15m for Downes
As others have said, it seems foolish to sell Downes who is consistently one of the top players in the Championship, home grown and a West Ham fan who may well work in Lopetegui's system. Particularly for 12m. If we're gonna do that deal, We should be looking at 20m in my opinion. Happy enough to get Walker Peters but I think we should hang on to Flynn for another season. I think we give up on players too soon.
If this happens, and of course it's only yet another rumour, it will prove to me that Steidten is not going to be the great messiah many people believed he would be. For a start Downes , imo, could potentially be a very good squad player and get a fair bit of pitch time next season, particularly as we don't know yet how much of the start of the season Alvarea will miss. But secondly , Kyle Walker-Peters ffs, what's all this about. We've allowed Johnson to leave by not offering him any sort of acceptable deal and we're contemplating replacing him with a player of equal ability, and at the same time losing an excellent central midfield player. Absolute f^^^ing lunacy if it happens.
Downes is an average player, don't overhype him, a good season in the championship doesn't make a great player
KWP is better than Johnson. KWP starts for us, Downes is a squad player. Downes in that squad today is the 4th choice CM behind Alvarez, Souceck, and JWP. Possibly 5th if Lopotegui sees Paqueta as an 8. People differentiate between 8's and 6's too much. They take up the same positions when it comes to team selection. Realistically, you're going to be playing 3 of them at an absolute max, more than likeley 2. He falls even further down the pecking order if Kudus is seen as a 10. The deal suits the needs of both squads. We need a more progressive RB and cover at LB which is the perfect role for KWP and Downes gets to be the main man in Southampton's midfield. If Downes wasn't a West Ham fan, you'd perceive it differently
Flynn Downes is English. Hammers need to sign English players to meet regulations. Surely, the only logical thing to do is get in walker Peters in if Flynn Downes and Ben Johnson goes?!
gosh if we re talking about flynn downes and or walker Peters.....transfers....gosh gonna be exciting year...lol
I hope we don’t give Downes plus money .. At worst it should be a straight swap and arguably they should give us money for the importance Downes was to them last season.. I would rather do a straight sale & buy Wan- Bassaka… much better defender for me
That would be my preference, though this seems like a decent deal.
AWB added to that back 4 would be immense.
If Alvarez going, Downes can’t go too
Soufal suffered under Moyes.
How so
So we swap ben johnson and downes for ben joshson 2.0 ,only at west ham
Both got moyesed. We really didn't need kalvin Phillips when flynn could have done a better job.
KWP is much better than Ben Johnson
I take it you know nothing about football if you think KWP isn’t better than Johnson.
@@jeffery8792opinion
@@philwill0123 of course he is,thats why he has just spent the last 12 months in the championship
This window is utter garbage so far.
I think this would be a good deal. Downes was fits and starts with us. One minute good the next not so. So rather than if and maybe with Downes, walker peters would be a solid addition.
Too many agents with their noses in the trough. A prime example of what is wrong with football⚒
Maybe we should get peters in & keep Downes . Squad's too old & too small ⚒️
God this is all pie in the sky stuff
I seriously hope this is just lazy journalism. Very much hoping there is no truth behind this.
Downes would be a very important player for us in the prem but to lose KWP would be detrimental if we have actually lost out on signing Ben Johnson to Ipswich.
Interesting point about Coufal being good defensively and poor attacking. KWP is the complete opposite. Fantastic going forwards, one of the best attacking full backs Saints has ever had however he’s very much below average defensively.
If you lot do get KWP you’d surely owe us a fee with Downes included. Rather than us paying you. KWP is arguably our best player.
Why is Ben leaving
Wants first team football and has been totally mucked about by the club
@@jamienorwood6855 gutted
@@dannywarren4309 Yeah pretty disappointing and doesn't make the club look great. Hopefully he goes on to have a good career!
Walker-Peters would be a good addition, but still feel that Downes should be given a chance in the new system.
He wants to go is wat I heard sadly
not true
Downes isn't a Premier League player & neither is Walker-Peters.
Mavropanos can play at right back
So can KWP.
First ....the overrated and overvalued average Kilman and now the equally underwhelming Kyle Walker Peters ... wow we really are scraping at the bottom of the "Crap player" Barrel... are we sure Moyes has actually left? Both of these are the kinda crap player Moyes would go for ....tonally underwhelming and disappointing....talk about the more things change the more they stay the same ...can only hope both transfers fail... Kilman is overvalued at even 25 million....NO THANKS to both !!
I agree. Sounds like the club are preparing for relegation. Lopetegui is giving me Moyes 2.0 vibes already.
I would ditch Coufal. Walker-Peters plus Junior Robinson as back up seems the best option (although I would have kept Chesters).
Sorry, disagree...I think KyleWalker Peters is a pretty average right back and we can do so much better, I'd be disappointed and underwhelmed if we got KWP...we have been l8nked with some outstanding rightbacks based in Italy...would prefer any of them over KWP... personally I just dont th8nk he is that good
I can’t ever remember any swap deal ever happening ever.
Be nice to get both. Don’t like foreign players. Should be as English as possible
^ Spot the racist
Do you live in 1972? 🤡
@@modernista6056 nope in my 20’s 😉
Not happening Kilman is not coming neither is Peters Kilman is way too much money for skint west ham and downes don't want to go to Southampton. I think west ham fans will be shocked with our transfers this season not in a good way .
Flyn downs should stay at west ham he has never been given a chance and seing as he is always one of the best players in the championship a league bowen come from need I say more he has to stay and be played