Tikka T3x Arctic / C19 Canadian Rangers Rifle Range Time Take Two
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So, after his Tikka T3x Arctic / C19 Canadian Rangers Rifle was returned from warranty repair, Mike takes a look at it and gives it a good wringing out at 300m on the range with SalTech and GGG 308 Win ammunition.
Earlier videos on this topic:
Intro: • Tikka T3x Arctic / Can...
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I like this rifle.
Human eyes are really good at centering dots inside circles. Ghost rings work VERY well.
On a similar subject, a small aperture can convince the eye that two objects are seen in circumstances where that is physiologically impossible.
The aperture size should not be too big, of course.
Keep in mind that the actual functional requirements for this rifle as issued to the Canadian rangers is to be able to kill a polar bear at danger close range, and to not snap in half at -40.
Between you me and the snow bank, I think 308 is a good all around and practical cartridge for the Canadian Rangers.
But the thought of polar bears at danger close distances and getting one or maybe two shots off? 308 is not the caliber that comes if I have to flip that coin.
Admittedly…I don't live in Canada and don't run across polar bears. So maybe my perceptions of them are skewed in the same way they are about Great White Sharks?
Regards,
Marky
@@John1911 I agree it's not what I would pick, but ammo availability in the far north is a consideration. The local indigenous folks up there are also known to shoot polar bears with .223, so what the hell do I know?
Sion Hampton wow?! 223? That must be headshots?
Marky
@@John1911 Well, it's a bolt action so they may be issued a cartridge w/ heavy-wt. bobos? A 180gr pill will have good enough penetration to do the job, given adequate placement. Plus a lot of those Rangers are of 1st Peoples extraction, so they've grown up near the big bruins and aren't as likely to get flustered like some city slicker encountering one for the 1st time [he says, looking in the mirror!.. ;-)]
@@John1911 No, no: not .223Rem; 22WMR. Same bullet diameter, different cartridge... And yes, they put'em in the ear. Bruin dies of acute deafness...
I GOT MINE BACK IN 2018.. Never an issue with mine. Iron sights are great. It's one of the most accurate rifles I got. A NICE ONE FOR SURE!
Glad to see it works really well now after repairs!
You’ve got skills! (And obviously good vision correction too). Cheers!!
Love the woodwork!
People seem to love it or hate it. I love it :)
Bloody good work man!!
Good to see you're still not one to give up on a rifle
Damn right I'm not giving up on this one! It's not perfect, but I still like it and am looking forward to shooting it in competition in a few weeks :)
That is an amazing range
Thanks for the video enjoyed it , very informative
That target cam is so cool.
You frightened me for a moment with that Crown Royal bag.
Canadian whisky for a "Canadian" gun!
I love my Tikka's. IMO the most accurate, best built for the price.
For the price doesn't quite apply this Rifle shown, and ABSOLUTELY does not apply to the C19 :)
You're a true marksman, putting such a group at 300 with iron sights
I need to practice more lol
Really, my only complaint is that we have reached a point where the only way to have "good things" outside of the Third World in weaponry is to spend a fortune more than already what was considered a fortune in the day. The SMLE update that Canada adopted for its rangers was not a cheap gun in its day, but it worked remarkably well for the cost of its time compared to these new toys. So much money for rather small improvements. Such is Modernity...
That's because this is no longer modern, I can't legally buy one in Australia but an AR-15 costs about a third of this tikka and it is a far more complex rifle. This is now a speciality item being produced and priced as such.
Such islife on a tecnological plateau timeframe.
Really should have just got them SKS's.
Give them a new one every other year.
I've noticed a similar trend in American gun ownership. Gun companies have realized that catering to the lowest common denominator and selling them $500 guns (that costs them $150 to make) is a much better business strategy than that of old where all guns were hand built, put together, and finished by professional gunsmiths. Now you're getting wonky assembly line specials and if you wanted a nice handgun (say a quality 2011/1911 or Revolver) you'd have to pay $3,000 USD MINIMUM. The new consumer doesn't know much about guns so gun companies have been able to keep prices high and quality low.
Remember a few things. Best results come from use as designed. Designed for glove wearing in very cold weather. A wooden stock is "warmer" to the touch in below zero conditions than plastic. Barreled for close range shooting (25 to 100 yards) and a 180 grain bear stopping bullet. Bears are more of a threat than bad guys. Test firing with 180 grain bullets would have provided a better look at how it shot than 145 grain plinking ammunition. Is the barrel twist for 180 grain bullets? Yup! Using a scope to determine true accuracy would have provided better information. I love my Tikkas because they are very accurate out of the box. I would love to see 100 yard scoped results with 180 grain ammunition. I know my Tikka varmint .308 with 175 grain bullets shoots MOA at 600 yards with reloads. Factory ammo would be a little less but that isn't what the Arctic was designed for.
Yep.
They are apparently a 1 in 11 inch twist. Not as fast as I would want for 180 grain bullets.
Being Canadian and a Long Branch shooter, I was quite excited about this rifle when it was first announced... Then I heard the price! It may be worth it, but it is money I can't afford, so I bought an 18.7" Ruger Gunsite Scout instead. Since the GSR was less than half the money and maybe even a little more accurate, I am very content.The Ruger is not that picky with ammo either. With a 6-24x scope I have found at least six factory loads that will shoot 10 shot groups under 1.75" at 100m. All this said, the T3x sure is a beautiful rifle! Thank you for the report.
I had a air rifle with sights similar to yours there. I did not like them at all, centering the front post being my main issue. Im sure they work fine, but i much prefer notch type sights. Or even better, a low power adjustable scope :P while im here, it would be awesome to see some clay pigeon shotgun-ing on the channel. Its the best shooting there is imo :)
The aperture situation DOES stink. I love a ghost ring for low light/moving target/100m and under. My groups are just about as tight with the only real loss for me being post clarity and target definition. That's a shame. My favorite aperture setup is the US "A2" with the ghost ring. It is VERY versatile.
Oh how I wish I could get this rifle in the USA. Great video. Thx
You can :)
Ah yes, the crown royal bag. So many uses. But you know, I don't think I've ever seen one with a bottle of Crown Royal in it.
Patron purchased? Lucky you! Maybe I should set up patreon on my little channel. LOL. Looks like a good shooter! Take care.
Those crown royal bags are also great for storing dice.
And full-auto bolts (we have to keep them separate here)
My grandmother's drunk of a nephew gave her a crown Royal bag for her Scrabble tiles, which she loved. She was very anti alcohol, and thought the brand was something vaguely religious.
I want one now, look what you have done to me 😬 Have to get another job...
Interesting....thanks for the follow-up on this rifle. I do like ghost rings....not really fond of polar bears. A full size rifle caliber in smooth bolt action would be my choice if a significant emotional incident arises.
Love the rifle and all your videos. Just curious, have adjusted the trigger pull at all?
Yes. I adjusted it up to easily lift 4.5lb for the Civilian Service Rifle rules in the UK since I took it there for a match.
I’m super impressed by your shooting, I was shooting at 100 yards with my Mauser 98k Much slower taking my time and it’s challenging to see a man size target at 100 y distance and the group was like over five inches for sure and using the yugo ammo that’s supposed to be good surplus, but you shooting at the speed and that 300 yards omg that’s really impressive and it makes me feel here where I live we don’t have any marksmanship fundamentals. Good job
Try shooting at something not man sized. 6-10 MOA solid circle.
I’ve just had the same issue with my Tikka Arctic front sight. Hopefully Beretta Australia get me the newer front sight.
Hold up, you're in Australia and you bought a rifle designed for the Arctic?
@@cholulahotsauce6166 sure did. Modern day bolt action rifle that I can use as a standard issue rifle for service rifle competition. Why wouldn’t I?
Lovely rifle except for that "lava lamp" stock...🤑
Project Enfield = Excellent!
Nicht schlecht Herr Specht.
*IF you prefer the Ghost Ring... You certainly may... Have ONE or more of the several apertures reamed out to your preferred size. Doing it this way allows for perfect sizing to suit your eye.*
Did they give you a range or some guidance to the zero setting on the aperture to have all of the range setting to be correct? Have you ever tried heavy bullets like 180-grain nosler accubond? I read that it is the ammo the Arctic was designed for but couldn't verify? Thanks
After watching a 2 time I heard you can't use the 180 nosler. I would like to know what the zero is designed for it looked like a low elevation. Thanks again
Any idea if they would stick those irons on any other “normal” tikka rifle. Would love to have an iron sighted one made for those of us with severe genetic defects (left handedness)
They don't supply the sights separately, unfortunately.
what is your lovely Tikka chambered in? *edit* 308 very nice.
Great video - I have the tikka T3 CTR in 260 and can’t fault it. What is the sling you are using ?
A cheap Chinese one from AliExpress.
For approx $4000 cad it should make my breakfast, clean the house and reload it's own ammo ! It should not have to be returned after the first outting !
2350 at Canadian tire in British Columbia
And I've just seen online here in Canada for approx $1600 lol
@@robertcolbourne386 where?
A place in BC has them for $1250.
@@chrisjones4128 what place?
If they made this in a green laminate, I would be all over it like a rat on a Cheeto. I disagree with many and think .308 is perfect, and there is ZERO reason you can't down a polar bear with a .308. Heart and lung shots are worthless on a bear charge. Brain only shots are key, and it will down one easily if placed appropriately. Reason being, in case you don't know, is a bear has enough oxygen in system, and it's heart only beats a single handful of times a minute normally anyway, and it can go a long while without both lungs or a heart. It also dumps adrenaline in it's system madly fast. So bears can go a full minute or often more without circulatory organs. Also, it allows for cheap practice and is a standard NATO caliber, so ammo is cheap, easy to find, and can work in warfare environments, too. Lastly, the rifle being bolt is critical. Many don't have experience in super cold, where even pump action shotguns and almost all automatics will freeze up and totally stop functioning. Rifles like this purposely designed to function in extreme cold (by extreme, I mean sub -40⁰F/C) are mandatory. The vast majority of folks have no clue what fifty and sixty below is like. Negative ten isn't even close guys. Arctic warfare is a whole nother level. I would like to see a removable trigger guard too, btw.
Hey I like your rifle...But here is where a Canuk comes along and mentions his sporterized 303 shoots just as well....
This Tikka T3x Arctic is only partly like the C19...The C19 has a different bolt/cocking shroud assembly, and no uncle Mikes Studs on the models I've seen. Also, the C19 has sling mounting points on the side of the stock. (Handy).
Not sure the super easy to change rear sight knob is a good thing on this style of rifle...
I am really into this rifle, but mounting a suppressor on it may perhaps not be an option, as the front sight is at the very end of the rifle?
Would you consider boring out the zero aperture to custom ghost ring alternative?
Regards,
Marky
I would love to in an ideal world, but since you can't guarantee that it'll keep its centre, it'll be left as it is. If the sight had been like that from the start I'd not have said anything about it - it's just that having had it and then deleted it is a bit of a shame.
@@BlokeontheRange if you bore it out slowly, minimum expansion each time, should stay centered.
@@waratahdavid696 We are not at home to such Bubba-isms... It absolutely MUST remain centred.
Nosler is by no means a hollow point. Its a soft point with kind of odd bonding and depratmenting of the bullet. Good for hunting, though.
Just got mine in 6.5 Creed and it comes with the sights you have except the 0 setting is a much bigger ghost ring than the other 5 settings.
Have a look at the earlier video. You've got the earlier sights.
@@BlokeontheRange Sorry sir. My front sights on my 6.5 are the same as your replacement. My rear sight starts at 0 and increases to 5. The 0 rear ghost ring is much bigger than the other ghost rings. Looks like they have listened to your complaints. 🤷♂️ Let me know if you want me to send photos. 🟥🍁🟥
Interesting. Sounds like you've got the new front but earlier rear sights. I wonder if they had more stock of the latter due to replacing more front sights cos the problem with them was more acute? The earlier rear's choices of aperture sizes was indeed rather better (but I didn't like the play in the drum).
@@BlokeontheRange Yeah. I wonder as well. The drum on my Arctic is easy to turn with positive detents with no play.
When I go to the range. Everyone comes over and asks me about it.
Shame that you can't use the Canadian ranger ammo. It would be nice to see the accuracy potential of this rifle by seeing a couple of groups shot with a scope.
Just handload
Not that I'm likely to pay the asking price for one of these, but I'm disappointed to hear that they scrapped the large "battle sight" aperture. As a military small arms instructor, I'd argue that it's hugely important feature for iron sights on a service rifle in that it provides options for the soldier: 1. It is a quicker option for aimed shots at closer ranges (at very close ranges this site style in particular with a wide aperture is brilliant for the "put the front site shroud circle inside the rear aperture circle, pick up the post and fire HK diopter style snap shot). 2. It obscures less of the soldier's field of view and it also allows for easier shots with both eyes open (both of which increas situational awareness), and ; 3. It is a much more usable option in sub optimal light conditions (important for a rifle used in the Arctic where facing permanent darkness for months at a time as well as 24h of sunlight reflecting off of snow are both factors).
Are the mags a bit stiff when reloading on a closed bolt? It requires counting, but it does seem to be a bit more efficient.
They go on fine - it's the muscle memory of loading with chargers where the first reaction is to open the bolt. I need to work on a Tikka-specific technique for reloads, and also for working the bolt.
I have the same muscle memory from a Model 70 Target.
I learned that closed bolt technique from Stangskyting which is a half-Mad Minute.
Hello - been following for a while and I like your "style". I notice with the "match" ammo in the deliberate group on the round target you had quite a bit of vertical stringing - which is usually a rifle (frequently bedding) or ammo issue - the group told me that you were shooting superbly, and that with a tiny bit of tuning of rifle or ammo you'll have a winner in your cabinet.
Almost always the action screws on Tikka's - Rowan
Very nice groupings here taking into consideration it's a 300m range and iron sights. Since when are non-Swiss Army issued ammunition allowed on these ranges? As far as I can remember we had to use GP11 and later GP90.
Some ranges allow it :)
@@BlokeontheRange Thanks for the information. Guess the rule has changed for some ranges and some blokes.
@@TheTejanoJose There's a lot of ISSF stuff done in Thun that's non-Swiss calibres ;)
@@BlokeontheRange Thanks, didn't know this.
If your shooting civilian service rifle in October will you be shooting at the Trafalgar ?
Where'd you score the sling? It looks nice.
Aliexpress. $7. It's not bad, but it's too long in its shortest state for 2-point slinging, so I'm umming and aahing about going over to a Chinese military surplus sling, also from Aliexpress for about the same price, for the CTR match in October. If I decide to loop it I'll be going with the one you see here, if I two-point it I'll be using the other one, which is on the rifle right as I type.
T3x Arctic for Finnish Brutality 2020. It’s the least practical choice and it would be glorious.
Wait, i hears 308 enfield project rifle. Do you mean from the ground up? I'd be definitely looking forward to that
Nah, we're going to start from a Parker-Hale T4 and make changes to that :)
@@BlokeontheRange Frankenrifle, steam punk or keeping the forniture?
This one has a fairly nasty Monte Carlo butt and a fat target rifle forend. It'll be be getting a No.8 butt and an L42-style forend :)
@@BlokeontheRange Capital! I cannot make it to your Swiss Gentility event in Thun this November, but if I can find my way to a 2020 repeat I'd love to see it in action ;-)
G'day 'Bloke', after watching your two videos on the t3x Arctic, I did begin to wonder about the possibility of doing a Lithgow LA102 in 308 with the same ideas you have with the Arctic in mind and I think I want to do the project.
I am not a patron subscriber, but I can't seem to find a better way to contact you other than here at this point if you are interested...
Go for it - talk to Rowan and Dylan of the channel The Department of Southern Armaments Research, they're at least on the same continent as you and it would be right up their alley!
@@BlokeontheRange perfect, thanks very much for your prompt response. I will do just that.
Can you please explain why you cant use hunting or hollow bullets ? Seems rather odd to me.
probs cus the range feels that hunting/hollowpoint bullets cause more damage to their target system.. given its rubber not steel..
@@rosiekatze oh I see. Makes sense then. I'm used to walking down and changing targets.
ikr.. im used to having to set up the targets in the first place.. damn swiss and their fancy pants ranges x3
Have never seen hollow for sale in CH, assuming illegal. The standard regional ranges are military regulated so it's fmj military ammunition only
@@billsmith756 If there is hunting in your country. Hollow points or lead exposed tips are probably mandatory.
At 4:27 I heard "...shots go alles ueber der Platz". Verstanden habe ich schon, aber the sentence is a linguistic hybrid!
Yes. It's Squaddy German. It amused me when I first heard it cos it's a literal translation of the British idiom that still makes literal sense, so I use it "ironically".
Yikes!! You should be shooting ~3 shot groups, then let the barrel cool, to check accuracy. Otherwise, are just testing barrel heat warp stringing etc. ? Also, best to use relatively economical Hornady Whitetail ammo, which I find shoots as good as Hornady's more expensive match ammo etc. Astonishing accuracy for a basic hunting interlock round. ....That is, unless you are testing for military firefight conditions, which is great for the mad minute shooting you did. God's Love , Great Videos!
a) 3 shots aren't a group, b) it's a free-floated fairly heavy barrel, c) if at that price there's any adverse effects from heating, something's very, very wrong.
They honestly did not think anyone would use it without the scope. And I honestly think the rifle is not fully used to its potential/cost with iron sights.
Do your shoes match your tool bag and blouse?
Soooo glad i bought the Ruger gunsite.
Would you recommend this or the tactical rifle with folding stock. They are the same price.
They're for 2 entirely different roles so whichever fits whatever you want to do with it
Eh! What is the ammo that should fit the sights of the rifle?
I'm curious if the CZ rifle they submitted for the trials would work any better
It has horrible sights on it, so I seriously doubt it :)
@@BlokeontheRange Some chap did a video on the CZ where he had attached a weaver rail iron sight to the rear and thus had a fully adjustable sight. I'd be really interested to see another video on the CZ Range, the other english speaking video just isn't my cup of tea.
What even was the cz rifle?
Lawrence Glover CZ 557 if I remember correctly
@ 5:58 -- Those stubby little screwdrivers have taper heads: you'll need to hollow grind the tips so you have parallel flats on the tip [vs. the trapezoidal x-section they have now] or you'll bugger your screws. Get a proper set of gunsmithing screwdrivers if you can, but modifying those properly will be enough for range tools... #Don'tUseCarpentryToolsOnYourFineMachines!
Can you tell me more about screwdrivers that seem the same as any other but aren't? These things they don't teach at school and neither much at work.
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@@Trancefreakeh Just something I've picked up from experience [intro to machining class at the local city college ~ 25 years ago, watching channels like C&Rsenal "Anvil" content, etc.] The bottom line is that there are tons of very subtle variations in screwheads, and an appropriate screwdriver to match, hence the popularity for things like replacing all your JIS crosshead screws [which only *look* like Philips head screws!] on your motorcycle with Allen hex drive screws you know won't strip out... as long as you remember to use the correct Allen key [SAE or metric? Doh!] ;-)
@@nunyabidniz2868 I'm looking into that as well, but I feel I'm not very succesful :).
I have these IronSide and IFixIt kits with dozens of kinds of bits, and yet it still doesn't feel complete.
Why don't we all use Torx? :D
You mentioned Imperial and Metric kinds, well... Imperial is hella hard to find, here in Belgium and I was close to tearing out my hair when I found a common household machine that used a MIX OF THESE!
Funnily enough, a Torx head that was close enough to that imperial Hex screww got it out. But Mixing Imperial and MEtric heads is a sure way to strip Hex heads out.
Good tip on Arsenal btw.
@@Trancefreakeh Unfamiliar with those brands, but they sound much like the "buncha low-quality tools in a blow molded plastic case" that every auto parts & hardware store has over here in the States, & they're almost always absolute garbage. In one of Duelist1954's videos [also found on Full30.com as "The Duelist"] he said exactly which 3 bits he uses from Brownell's huge roster of hex-based screwdriver tips [which fit in any 1/4" aka 6mm hex drive tool handle] for working on the various black powder replica pistols [his channel's specialty is historical BP repops] he shoots [which of course are all made by Pietta or Uberti in Italy, so they're probably some nominally metric screws, but having the correct head that fits the slot width & breadth is the real key...] I tried looking for that vid this a.m. during my 1st reply, but couldn't turn it up. I'll have to see if I can find that info, I know I must have written it down somewhere. If nothing else, I can go check my orders from Brownell's and see what they were...
@@nunyabidniz2868 I see.
FYI: I Fix It (.com) is a electronics repair, precision screwbit set. Specially for repairing cellphones, tablets, computers. Good stuff, but the contrary of heavy duty.
IronSide is comparable to Facom, KnipEx or Wera, just a bit more to the price/quality side. See it as excellent semi professional gear, but not top quality automotive gear. Good enough for 95% of us.
Finding quality gear is hard man ;).
Ps. I don't ( can't ) own firearms, I was purely commenting on the how-to-use-tools. I DO love the Anvil restoring video's though. Class craftmanship!
See you on the 6th October for the CSR. I'm the one with a BOTR patch on his jacket
I'll look out for you. I'm sure you'll recognise me! :D
What distance is 0 sight setting and how this sight zeroing? I dont understand it clear, sorry, please, explain.
0 is "close range" and works fine from 50m and down, and see the previous videos to see how it zeros.
These are made by Colt, right? Any differences from Tikkas?
No. This is made by Tikka. The actual C19's for the Rangers are made by Colt Canada, and are not for private sale. They have shorter, red stocks with push-button QR bases, and a different magazine base. All the civilian ones are made in Finland.
nice range, what kind of tree is stock from
The multicoloured laminate tree :)
Did you steal The Chap's old dice bag there?
Excellent marksmanship. Polish that clunky bolt-way interface, add a proper shooting glove and coat, tighten the sling and stop breaking the cheek weld between shots and those groups would be halved.
Can anyone give a 1yrs report on it now? Looks like a great gun. I want a modern rifle that is shortish, open sights to a couple hundred meters, 10round box mag, sling.
I took it to a Civilian Service Rifle match at Bisley in October 2019 ruclips.net/video/KoF83f30mIk/видео.html
@@BlokeontheRange I will check it out. Great channel man keep it up
I love the flashy stock otherwise there are other niceTikkas that cost much less. It's a nice rifle but way overpriced.
Ich habe beim einstellen der Entfernung kein Spiel beim drehen, aber ich hab am Diopter viel Spiel rechts/links. Ist dasbei Dir auch?
Das war der Fall bei der originalen Kimme. Aber die neue Visierung ist viel besser mit weniger Spiel.
@@BlokeontheRange Danke, also auf zum Büchsenmacher. Dabei ist schon die drauf, die bei Dir neu war.
Why did the Canadian rangers even replace the No4? The No4 is a great rifle
It's impossible to support the platform any more in terms of spares - they already bought up a bunch of the Italian Navy cache rifles to extend its service life somewhat. And nobody would want to make small numbers of replacement parts for them.
@@BlokeontheRange But parts are readily available.
You can't run the maintenance of rifles for a 5000-6000 strong paramilitary outfit by ordering spare parts from Numrich...
@@BlokeontheRange Okay that's fair but dammit it makes me sad!
@@Tula1940_LB What's even more sad, is how they simply cut up and scrapped the No4s when they were turned in. No civil sales allowed!
:-(
There’s a bloke from the AU that can run one of those like a champ, I think you have done an interview with him in the past as well. Anyhow here’s how he went with it. ruclips.net/video/AaVcCBaryXU/видео.html
That guy is a beast with a bolt rifle.
GGG made in Lithuania 👍
which action is better : lee enfield or the T3x ?
Lee-Enfield action is smoother and faster. T3x has a much better trigger and faster lock time, and has greater inherent accuracy which is then offset by the much shorter sight radius.
Very annoyed today to be told by my local Tikka dealer after having a foresight on order for my Tikka Artic for 3 months, that Beretta Australia has informed them that Sako/Tikka that they will not supply the part.
Not only is it disturbing to have sent $3500 AUD on a premium Tikka rifle which I can't apparently buy parts for. But may be a breach of the Australian Consumer Law. Section 58 of the Competition & Consumer Act of 2010 states parts are to be supplied for a reasonable period by unless informed in writing prior to purchase. Which I did not receive. If I had I would not have spent $3500 on a CTR.
That's really shocking customer service. Is there a consumer ombudsman you can take them to?
@@BlokeontheRange
It seems my complaint was listened to. Just got an email from Beretta Australia; stating they will now supply the sight and any parts for repair. But will not supply parts other than for maintenance of a rifle. Which is inline with the Australian Consumer Law.
I must say Beretta Aust have for the most part been great to deal with. They may have explained to
Sako their obligations under Aust Law.
I should explain more, yes we do have a Omnibusman in that we have the ACCC which enforces consumer law. They advise that you 1st make complaint to the company. Which I did quoting the Aust Consumer Law sect 58.
Beretta Aust got back to me this morning, with the mentioned result. Had they not agreed to supply the part I would have then filed a complaint with the ACCC.
Sako in supplying the parts only for repair meets Sect 58. However it doesn't allow Artic owners to upgrade their sights. Which I think is still poor consumer support.
Sounds like your front sight needs to find itself being damaged so they have to repair it ;)
@@BlokeontheRange Well my my foresight is going to be replaced. But my fellow service rifle competitors will have ensure their sights are damaged to replaced as you suggest. ;)
In my argument to get the foresight I used your replacements as a precedent. I'm glad you made that video otherwise I wouldn't have known about the newer option.
Are the sights plastic??
No.
I wonder if Sako would sell me the Arctic with these improved sights? I would like to get some bonus magazines with that prize also..
I wish you would have mounted a scope, used a rabbit ears rear bag and taken at least one minute between shots for serious accuracy testing with 5 shot groups. "Mad Minute" shooting is NOT an accuracy test of this rifle.
The RUGER Scout rifle was out years before the TIKKA C 19 (Canadian Ranger) rifle and the C19 appears to be a copy of the RUGER Scout with stainless steel barreled action and laminated stock.
Personally I would feel better owning the stainless steel Ruger Scout knowing it is the SAME quality as the TIKKA C 19 but for far less money. Both have accurate cold hammer forged barrels and rugged bolt actions, the Ruger being a Mauser clone with controlled feed.
BUT... the RUGER Scout is 1/2 the price of the TIKKA C 19 and the Ruger/Magpul magazines are 1/5 the price of theTIKKA magazines!
So I'll take the RUGER Scout, thank you very much. Supporting the Finnish social system is not my priority.
I own a 6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rile and a 6.5 CM Ruger American Predator. Both have Ruger'scold hammer forged barrels and are extramely accurate, as in 1/2" at 100 yards with match ammo.
And what's this "...wrap you hand around it properly." stuff? WHY would you want to do that? I've owned many centerfire sporting rifles and never had the need to "wrap my hand around" the barrel - ever. Just hold the forearm. Keep your fingers OFF the barrel.
The Ruger Scout has a cast receiver. It's nowhere near the same quality. Once you get one in your hands and work the bolt, it's no comparison.
You don't test the practical shooting capability of an iron-sighted rifle (to compare it by its predecessor iron sighted rifle) by mounting a scope, nor by leaving at elast 1 minute between shots. Both of these defeat the object. Leaving 1 minute between shots would even hide a heat-related accuracy issue.
As for "wrap your hand around it properly, watch this shooting video, and you'll see me struggling to keep an adequate hold on the rifle due to its skinny forend and having to keep my fingers off the barrel, particularly with the barricades: ruclips.net/video/5tUY8RoldWY/видео.html
I explain a bit more in the main video on that match here: ruclips.net/video/KoF83f30mIk/видео.html
Dear Bloke, Ruger uses an INVESTMENT CAST method for making their actions. At a very specific temperature technicians pour the molten steel into a mould. The resulting chrome moly or stainless steel action has a BETTER grain structure (i.e. stronger) than hammer forged steel. It is the same weight per cubic centimeter as hammer forged steel, not "light and cheap". Ruger's hammer forged barrels are extremely accurate as in the 6.5 Creedmoor Ruger Precision Rifle I use for competition. The only area that TIKKA excels over Ruger is in their trigger. But Mon Deu! their C 19 prices are 2X Ruger's Scout Rifle price. I have handled both and the RUGER Scour has a nice feel to the action, IMHO, as good as the TIKKA.
Further, relating to SAKO quality, I own a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro and WAS intending on buying a SAKO Carbonlite - until I tried the X-Bolt Pro and saw that it was the same quality, slightly better trigger and for a LOT less money. Damned if I'll help pay for Finland's social system by purchasing their overpriced rifles.
Not sure from that description that you've handled a T3x Arctic... On Swiss prices it's 2/3 more expensive (not double), and from what I've seen so far, well worth it. What you're getting over the Ruger:
- range-adjustable drum. Cos we don't all shoot sitting at picnic tables at fixed ranges. 1/4 MOA click adjustment to zero. The Ruger's rearsight is seriously budget.
- a bit more than an inch of sight radius. Which, if you're shooting at 300 yds, you'll notice.
- A properly free-floated barrel, cos there's no rail bolted on to it part way along.
- much, much more compact mags. Ruger mags look like they should take 15, but they only take 10.
- machined-from-solid receiver that's so slick you only have to tilt the rifle slightly above/below the horizontal for the bolt to run back/forth under its own weight.
- 70° rather than 90° bolt throw.
- scope rail over the action rather than in front of it if you're foolish enough to want to mount a scope.
At what angle from the horizontal does the Ruger's bolt run back and forth under its own weight, and can you show me you shooting through the CSR Urban Match with it? Cos I'd *love* to see the last 2 components run with a not-that-slick-at-all 90° action :) ruclips.net/video/5tUY8RoldWY/видео.html
"The only interesting rifles are accurate rifles." Ruger Scout rifles are ACCURATE.
I don't know about Swiss prices but a Ruger Scout Rifle sells from $819. to $977. and a TiKKA Arctic is $1,849. so, yeah, 2X the price of the Ruger. Maybe with the savings I could buy a better rear sight, Hmmmm? And a very decent scope and a Pic. rail for the receiver Hmmmm? And one-piece rings too. And ammo or reloading components.
Rofl comparing a ruger to a tikka.😂😂
Indeed, if it's Finnish-made, there should be no play at all. Perkele.
lifting your head on the reload messes with your sight hold.
No it doesn't... How do you think we manage with rifles that can't be cycled without moving your head?
Don't speed it up next time dude, we're all patient shooters here that don't mind watching you do your thing in real time...
you could always drill out the Aperture
We are not at home to Bubba ;) No guarantee its centre wouldn't shift.
@@BlokeontheRange You do have a friend with a lathe don't ya? Block it up to the spindle's height and square it up on the cross slide, put a centering drill in the lathe or a boring bar if you can find one small enough. Viola, centered and enlarged. A bit of measuring/gauging on the setup, but it'll get er done as we say in the land of bubba. *Given how scarce/impossible those sights to are replace you'd have to be pretty nuts to do that.
What you're describing is impossible with the shape and angle of the part in question. Have a closer look in the videos I've done on the rifle.
Respectfully, I disagree. Twice now RUclips has deleted/vanished my long drawn out reply on making the fixture you’d need. Having handled a t3x arctic when my local shop had one in, apparently the only one, and paid attention to the wobbly rear sight, which was like the first example you had. I’m certain it’s possible, and if Tikka ever makes the sight disc available to the public I will send you one with it properly machined out. I’ve done similar work to A1, A2, and HK G3 clone drum rear sights, even made a peep/ ghost ring rear for my Ruger MK3 Pistol (not a great idea for a pistol, but fun to try). All the best, love the channel!
long bolt travel ... have to reposition head for each shot.angry minute ...
Wish we had these shooting ranges in America
Unlisted boi hours, who up?
Apparently chef excellence..... did stuart send you??
The more I see about this rifle the less I want it... binding action is just unacceptable in such a rifle.
I've got to work on the technique to work the bolt straight back-and-forth without pushing it sideways. According to Rowan it'll polish out, but yeah...
I still like it though (cos frankly what are the other modern options with decent iron sights? After much research the answer is... there aren't any)
@@BlokeontheRange to be honest I didn't like the rifle from the beginning, but the iron sights did look like something interesting. I have searched for them on websites but they seem to come just on the Artic
They are not available separately, and actually I have since discovered that the muzzle thread for them is also non-standard (I'd incorrectly reported it at 5/8x24 tpi, which it is on the CTR but it's an M18 here)
@@BlokeontheRange Does the Ruger Scout Rifle not exist in Europe? It comes standard with Irons, and at significantly lower cost than the Tikka.
I handled one. I was unimpressed. 90° bolt throw, cast Mauser 98-type action that feels gritty out of the box (unlike the slides-under-its-own-weight of the Tikka). Plus the sights are miles behind the Tikka. Maybe if I have budget surplus... ermmm.... some time... I'll get one as a comparison.
The only USA seller, Euro Optic, is asking $2300 for one of these now. That is INSANE and seeing as this gun has these issues FUCK that. Hope Colt Canada is doing a better job on the real C19s.
With respect, if you are shooting for grouping you shouldn't be checking the shot indicator after every round. Shoot through the magazine then shift to inspect
With respect, if you grew up in a world of 2 sighters at 300 to 1000 yds, with putting the rifle down between shots, you'd understand that it's perfectly possible to look each shot without disturbing the aim...
@@BlokeontheRange very true, however not as accurate. If you go to Bisley and you would find none of those shift positions/ or as little as possible while shooting a match. I'm not try to imply that you aren't capable of achieving decent accuracy while shifting, simple saying that the chances of accuracy improve with less variables
I have literally watched GB target rifle team members put the rifle down between shots at Bisley. And personally, I have done the same and cleaned a Queen's 1 course of fire on 2 occasions doing the same thing myself.
When I took a brief foray into TR (i.e single shot centrefire target rifles shot slowfire with slings and jackets) a fellow shooter, who had considerable experience and success in the discipline made the following observation when I spoke to him about maintaining position through a string of shots:
"Once you have taken your sighters, judged the wind and are ready to carry on, you pick up your rifle and if you have done everything right, your shot goes where it should. Why would you not repeat that process? Why would you tire yourself out, keeping the rifle in the shoulder whilst waiting your turn to shoot, when you already know that you can hit when you bring the rifle up from the rest?"
He gave up TR saying that as he got better it was less and less about shooting and more and more about wind. He went on to shoot 1500 (Lever Action - GB) and was the UK champion for many years.
I mean, going through the 1999 (kinda my peak probably, my Athelings year) TR Imperial scores in alphabetical order, the first one I find that's impressive shows I came 7th in the Century with 50.5 at 500x and 50.9 at 600x for a total of 100.14. So what do I know? nra.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/historical/imperial/1999/Century%20(16th).pdf
Feel free to go through 1998 onwards until I stopped all Target Rifle (probably 2001 or 2002 was my last year of shooting any of it) to look at my results. 1999 at the DCRA meeting in Canada was also kinda good, having cleaned the Governor General's stage 1 with 105 point something. One year later than that I shot only the Queen's, and cleaned it too.
Tell me, where can I see your competition record @Blair Lee?
At what that thing costs it should have been right first time out of the box. Think I'll spend half the money and get a Ruger scout rifle and have money left over for plenty of extras.
I don't know. I've seen a lot of guys on the 300 blackout forum who have been quite frustrated with quality control issues on the Ruger American ranch rifles.
@@GunFunZS True, no gun maker makes perfect guns, but I don't suppose I'd mind as much having to tweak a rifle I paid less that half of what Bloke had to shell out for the Tikka.
@@easyfiveOsink and that's why if you want to shoot 3:08 you get to palmetto or an aero precision AR-10. Or you build your own with Bear Creek arsenal barrel and you put about 450 bucks into the whole thing. If you want a match barrel, bolt carrier and trigger you can buy that too for another $400.
@@GunFunZS but that AR-10 thing you cannot shoot at a Swiss Range.
lol I keep my extra mags for guns in a Crown Royal bag. Rye Whisky sucks though ... Scotch how ever ... different story ... single malt of course .
Why won’t they let you shoot hunting ammo on that range?
Cos they believe it does damage to the rubber target faces and/or metal bullet catchers
Bloke on the Range thats very strange since hunting bullets should penetrate and damage that stuff less since their soft tipped
Good video but, these are Canadian issued hunting rifles for the most part. The rangers would not let some of your deficiencies slow them up one bit.
Except it's an insanely expensive rifle. Your comment is one thing if it was a 800 dollar rifle, not multi-thousand dollar rifle.
I own a Tikke T3 CTR and tbh im not that impressed. Its a good rifle, but not sure the supersmooth action is worth all the Hype. I shoot a Ruger American who cost like 1/3rd who was realy good to.
Im not sure a super smooth action is the primarey function of a do it all rifle, as this rifle takes TRG mags its kind of a horrible deal for hunters, as you would like a 3-5 round magazin. Best deal is then to convert it to like a AICS style magwell and then you down like 300 USD down the drain.
Lmao, dont listen to this. Thered a vid of a guy doing 2k meters with a t3 and upgraded stock. Not to mention a guy by the name of todd hodnett specifically names this rifle for long range shooting.
It is a phenommenal rifle.
Ruger, lmao what a joke
@@rfcdgaf Lol Then its not like a T3 is it, its more of a Customised Rifle.
As my T3 is now, as a base Rifle, im not that impressed at all.
Its like saying, woow this and this is amazing if you change 60% of what it was before.
@@rfcdgaf And have a look at what ppl are saying about the Ruger American, its a damn, damn amazing rifle for what it is.
It might even be a better package in itself then a T3 imo.
Dont shoot so fast you'll burn the barrel!
AGH! Use proper turn screws and not screwdrivers man!
Another good video :)
He hurt nothing. Your snobbery is misplaced.
@@GunFunZS Terribly sorry to have offended you by my reckless suggestion of using the correct tool! :O :D
@@ShootingAndReloading why is it the people who act like jerks on the internet accuse others of being easily offended? I never said anything about me being offended. I'm not and I wasn't. I said your snobbery was misplaced. It was his tool is correct enough. It certainly won't harm the screws as he is using it.
@@GunFunZS My initial comment was a tongue in cheek remark. Just like my response to you - both were supposed to be humorous, but clearly we do not share the same sense of humour.
You on the other hand have accused me of snobbery and of being a jerk - both highly pejorative phrases at best. Perhaps best to look inward before throwing insults.
@@ShootingAndReloading I will take that into consideration.
"My eyes" try a scope.
No.
I bought it as a mordern iron-sighted rifle, to shoot over irons.
@@BlokeontheRange
Great. 👍
Shoot with open sights👍
But there comes a time when optics make all the difference, as we age, iron sights get harder to use.
Dont let your pride or ego spoil your shooting fun.
I watched your shooting, I would bet that your accuracy would improve greatly with optics.
Even you mentioned your eyes, and then the barrel length, or was that an attempt at accounting for your group size, I know the Tikka is very capable at that range, its a bloody tack driver.
@@BlokeontheRange
Just a hint or 2 from an older bloke from the 2way rifle range.😁
Top Tip: you can't use scopes in competitions which require iron sights ;)
I wanted to hear it shoot :( sped up suks
Hey, leftenant Broad shoulders, don't flatter yourself, nobody in this camp is butt-hurt.