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Part One: The 12 Tribes: The Worst Cult You've Never Heard Of | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined by Alex Steed to discuss The 12 Tribes cult. (2 Part Series)
Original Air Date: September 5, 2023
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With as popular as as the cartoon Gravity Falls is, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a comeback of Mabel's in the next 15 years.
I imagine Animal Crossing helped too.
@@meatmobile Never liked those games, so I unfortunately don't get that reference.
Only 30 minutes into this and it already sounds like all the "he gets us" ads that are all over reddit, the superbowl, and elsewhere
I live near one of their cafes and used to live down the street from one of their compounds. I went on a gay date accidentally at their Yellow Deli before I knew how horrible they were
Lived in London as a struggling student. Had some days where i would skip 2 meals, because i did not have money.
I would always be thankful to the Sikh temple in the neighborhood where i lived. Almost all Sikh temples have free lunch that is given out to anyone who is hungry. Your faith or ethnicity does not matter. Its one of the tenets of Sikhism: feed the hungry.
They never tried to recruit me or convert me. They just fed me and treated me with politeness.
I am not Sikh, but to this day i have very little bad to say about them and have great respect for any Sikh living up to the tenets of their faith.
(And yeah there are arsehole Sikhs that are complete bastards. Some may actually deserve an episode on this show, but from what i see they are rare)
Yeah, the Sikhs that might deserve an episode are some of the Khalistani guys in the '80s and '90s, but on the whole, they are still way more sympathetic than the Indian government.
Old fashioned baby names are already making a come back. Eugene, cordelia, and clarence have been making big gains in the baby world
I wanna meet a baby named Bertha or Eunice
Cartoons brought Clarence and Mabel back.
@@zorantaylor3190 Yeah, I was gonna say...Mabel's back in a big way thanks to Gravity Falls.
I had a friend in high school named Elbert. He was very cool so I didn't even acknowledge the old-timey-ness of his name until now.
This was a fascinating episode! You're absolutely right about the influence of these movements on the modern religious right. I grew up at a conservative Baptist church in the Seattle area. It was reletively mainstream, but we very much encouraged child abuse and stressed the importance of breaking the kids will. We preferred Focus on the Family's parenting guides, which were like the ones you mentioned but cleaned up with a more educated sound. They even gave advice on torturing your kids psychologically instead of physically in case the government finds out about the abuse and you need to be more subtle (which is what happened in my case after CPS got called by a neighbor)
The five fold ministry started in the 30s and 40s by people connected to the Kardashian family.
What kind of Baptist? The ones I know of are nothing like that.
@@sird2333 It's pretty standard Conservative Baptist stuff. They pass as mainstream, and think they are, but the believes are really unhealthy. The entire Evangelical movement skews far right and authoratian, but obviously that's not all of them. I'm not sure what to help with without knowing what direction you're coming from. How I would respond would be very different if you think I'm slandering James Dobson than if you know Jimmy Carter is a Baptist and think he's great.
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How are their beliefs unhealthy?
@@sird2333 One of the beliefs at the core of Evangelicalism is that all humans are evil, and each individual deserves hell. Another is that nobody who isn't Evangelical is going to hell (that is an incredibly slight simplification, I can clarify if you like). Statistically, they heavily lean authoratian and "traditional" (whatever the bigotry of the day is). I've done a lot of looking into Evangelical parenting advice as part of my healing process, and there are some trends that are common in Evangelical groups. They are very punishment focused. Making sure a child is punished is more important than fixing whatever mistake they made or helping them learn. It's common to encourage parent's not to answer kid's questions about instructions they are given, because it teaches them that is acceptable to question authority. A parent should never apologize to a child. If a child is defiant, they must lose the confrontation. It doesn't matter who's right or how much it damages the relationship (or the child).
I was wondering why a few bits of this seemed familiar, and then when you mentioned the yellow deli i figured it out - I'd seen a couple warning posts about the cult on the appalachian trail subreddit (you might cover this later on in the pod? idk) because the yellow deli is along the AT, free food is a very easy way to pull in hikers, and a lot of people on the trail are in a transitional time, between jobs or just after retirement or whatever that makes them very vulnerable to cults, so it's pulled in at least a few hikers.
Same story. I was looking into communes in BC and there were many people warning against the twelve tribes. I kind of wish they went into more detail about it because I had no idea the extent of it and that they operate a restaurant I have walked past many times.
I can't imagine anyone here going to a place offering free food: the culture in the Netherlands is all 'hmm, what do you want in return'
(We do offer free food for the homeless, but that means self-identifying as homeless)
@@sd-ch2cqI believe it's typically presenting as free food or a room in exchange for washing dishes for the night, helping with cooking, doing some chores, that sort of thing. It's not that uncommon along the trail, there are a lot of places that'll give you a bunk and a meal if you wash dishes for the night. The place where the yellow deli starts getting weird is usually when you're a woman - there's a lot of weird stories about them trying to convince all the women to change their clothes and follow all sorts of odd and culty rules. That, and they start trying to convince you to stay for an extra couple days pretty quickly
was literally just working in island pond. cult shenanigans totally tracks. Fun fact, it is neither an island, nor is it the name of the pond.
I was a kid in the 70s in Hawaii and man, Jesus freakies hit that state hard. Now, around 12-13-14 years of age I was really into the underground comics and used to collect them whenever I could, but then the 'freaks started up their little shops with .... Christian underground-ish comics. So I'd collect those, I mean, I collected the undergrounds that glorified drug use too, I wasn't picky, I was just into the art. Well, my youngest sister glommed onto the Christian ones, probably because I gave them to her since the art wasn't as good as the others. Fast forward several decades and .... she's now an ardent Christian, hatin' Jews, votin' for Trump, readin' The Epoch Times, hatin' on pretty much everything and every one. Oh, and she married a guy who became a Maui police chief. Yeah.... I feel kind of like that guy who was like, Hitler's cousin or nephew or something and ended up fighting against him.... But yes the food-bombing, love-bombing, keep in mind the 1970s were a hungry time and in fact my youngest sister almost fucking starved to death. Pneumonia would have been on the death certificate but it was plain ol' starvation.
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I actually like Jack Chick's Alberto. The art is OK, but the bloody details of Inquisition torture methods are exquisite. Dying inside is seldom so entertaining.
What's firsting my Tuesday evening? Other than products and services. 😉
My sleep-deprived brain initially read that as "What's fisting my Tuesday evening?" and honestly that was on-brand enough for this podcast I didn't question it until I noticed there was another letter in there X'D
@@lanceleone2704same dude, same lol
@@lanceleone2704 im not sure *what* is fisting mr BeastNation during his Tuesday evenings, but ill tell you *who* is gonna be.. 😏🖐️💪
I live in and grew up in NH (I did move out of the state for a time, fyi). I NEVER had anyone tell me that wearing makeup -- or anything sinful-- would give you cancer. I heard them say that if you got cancer it might be a punishment, but never proactively and specific like that. Damn.
They've got a diner in my hometown that my dad used to take us to as kids. They had beautiful and really intricate woodworking inside and the food was good and cheap and they served a tray of teas that kicked ass. My dad would always say to be careful when we were using the bathroom because a wall panel would open up and we'd be dragged in by a gang of midgets and indoctrinated into the cult
The Twelve Tribes: They're here to make delicious sandwiches and *allegedly* start massive wildfires, and they're all out of the wheat bread.
"...and eleven long-haired Friends of Jesus in a chartreuse microbus" from Convoy by CW McCall
They used to lurk around a metal festival I attended as a teenager and tried to save us from satan
they go to a lot of "hippie" festivals and they will follow jamband tours and festivals around the country with their luxury tour bus that they try getting people who are spun out on drugs or just going through it in life, looking for some acceptance and they try to take these people to join their slavecafe workforce. they get people into the bus with food and drinks and ass kissing and then they start the "you need to come hang out with all of us after this! we love you" shit. it's twisted as fck these people are allowed to have kids
The 12 tribes docs brought me here. Love the channel. Liked and subbed.
Let’s get Mabel the Corgi on this podcast immediately
I was approached by recruiters from this cult while walking through a park near my apartment. Saying no to them was easy, but it did give me a creepy feeling under my skin knowing that moment could have led me down a pretty dang dark path had I made the wrong choice.
It's like when you hang out near a high ledge. Obviously do not jump, but the thought of "what if I did though" is a disturbing one!
I went to UT Chattanooga and ate at the (original, apparently) Yellow Deli on a near weekly basis. They keep really good hours and are practically on the campus (located within a block of ~4 dorms). I didn't learn until much, much later how bad they were. At the time, I just appreciated what was honestly excellent food available in the middle of the night on weekdays (they were open 24/5 having part of Saturday through Monday off). The building itself is fascinatingly peculiar, having an almost greenhouse style setup with a ton of plants growing about.
We always knew they were a weird religious group, just never knew how culty they were nor some of their worse elements. Really weird looking back, given how me and my friends would have been prime targets had we gone individually, but they left us well enough alone since we were always in a group.
actually they have Friday afternoon and nights off (they prepare for Friday night Sabbath dinner open to community)and all day Saturday (day of rest). All delis reopen Sunday. They follow the Sabbath
And yet your comment is accusing, with no info supplied to support it. That big paragragh and we are totally in the dark about why they are so bad. What did they do to you that was soooo bad. I mean it mustbe awful huge. i mean your U.S. Supreme Court pretty much stole freedom of choice and has been dismantling the Constitution, so this must be a doozy. Lets hear the facts, or do ya just want attention and people to support unfounded accusation. Hmmm....weird, thought that that was what these groups did.
@@mikelachey824 Assuming you're commenting in good faith, there's dozens of articles that have been written about the group if you search for "Twelve Tribes," as well as a documentary episode from A&E. I can't link them directly because of automoderation, but the short of it is lots and lots of child abuse as well as racist teachings regarding black people.
Also just because I don't support one fringe religious cult doesn't mean I support SCOTUS dismantling things like freedom of choice.
I don't actually believe you're commenting in good faith considering your accusatory tone and obvious sarcasm, but it's better to leave something for others to find.
I live in East Ridge TN and drive by Yellow Deli every day. I tell friends who visit to not eat at the Cult Cafe
I worked on a farm in north San Diego county that was next door to a 12 Tribes cult farm! The other workers and I would go over for free cult dinner on Fridays. I guess my mohawk/patch pants combo were enough for them to mostly leave me alone, but my buddy got the hard sell for sure. Enough messed-up things had already happened to me (I was 19) that I found the whole 'cult' of it all kind of funny in an extremely dark way? That is, until we ended up as guests at some sort of initiation/womanhood ceremony for this one dude's kids. The one girl was like, 15 or something and it was *incredibly* obvious that she was NOT down for the whole 'forcible re-naming' cult induction thing. By that point I'd befriended a new member who told me about how the elders forbade outside media and only taught the children basic reading/writing and as much math as they'd need to work at a Yellow Café..... I left the farm pretty soon afterwards, but that ceremony f*cked me up pretty bad. 12 Tribes, like any cult, preys on the vulnerable. I want to believe that the folx I formed connections with went on to lead okay lives but realistically they, uh, probably didn't.
i worked at the yellow deli for a bit
That guy sounds like a christian.
'Folx' is a tell that you are in a cult
@@cathy2earthhowd that shake out?
it was an interesting time to say the least but the deli was kinda normal @@alejandrorivas4585
My aunt recounted a story in which my uncle for a time joined The Jesus People who were, as she put it, a cult that took all his money and made him live there and work for them. I thought she must have been confused about some part of that until I heard this episode... not that this was necessarily the same cult. She told me how his father went down to their church week after week, befriended the leader and convinced him to let my brother go home with him. I saw my uncle from time to time when I was a child but he died before I really got to know him.
Oh man can't wait for pt 2(+). I assume that there will be more about the spicy racism? Had to deal with these guys when we moved to Vermont (they created a compound just outside of the village of Bellows Falls, which is a fantastic place otherwise). So many stories of their f-ery that I doubt you'll have time for but some highlights: They would just throw their trash on the road. The town finally paid to maintain a dumpster because they wouldn't stop dumping. Also, after a local (historic building) restaurant burned, the 12 tribes (we call them the Island Ponders) sought to buy the lot so that they could demo and build a cafe. The town said "sure" but stipulated that the historic bricks be preserved and the facade of the building re-created. They said "yes of course." Used a bunch of unsafe child labor in finishing the demolition of a burned building, then sold the bricks on eBay. Then, they took all of the waste from the old building to their compound and created two burn piles: One of wood and other burnables and another with things like wires and plastic and insulation. They called in the town's fire warden for permission to burn the wood pile and the fire warden said "Ok, yes, you can burn THIS pile but not that one." The second the warden drove off the property, they set fire to both piles. We could smell the noxious smoke from miles away when we were driving back into town. I talked to one of the firefighters who had been called in to put out the fire and there was no way it was an errant spark--the piles were too far away from each other. (Naturally, I'm a little suspicious about the Colorado fire too the second I heard it was caused by a 12 Tribes burn pile). They never did build the cafe and the lot sits vacant to this day.
Just terrible people all around.
Oh so I'm not the only one who became an anarchist bc of food not bombs lmao
Twelve Tribes nuts are known in Vermont as “Island Ponders”
LOL and you know the folks from Island Pond just *love* that!
I HAVE heard of the 12 tribes, but I'm still excited to listen 😁
My parents were never connected to twelve tribes, but they are hardcore conservative/religious right. My mother saying "[My brother] and [his wife] don't hit their kids [ages 6 and 2 at the time] enough" and my dad just nodding as if this was obviously correct is a memory forever burned into my brain.
"It seems that college isn't going too well for you. You know what would be good for you?...
RAYCON!"
the cult scumbus vs. the nitrous mafia mobile gave me a hilarious mental image 😂 sure didnt expect to hear the nos mafia mentioned hahaha
One of the three redding listeners chiming in to say yes, yes I did laugh along
Second-ish! From Redding (well, Anderson, if I'm being honest). I left town before the cult really got its claws into the place, but it wasn't much better before that.
Third Redding resident, grew up here and can confirm everything Robert mentions. It's a shit show.
Wow! This is a trip for me for two reasons. One, I live on Colorado now. Today, you might still find this sort of thing in Colorado Springs but much less likely in Denver. Two, I grew up with some similar ‘weirdnesses’ and it’s amazing to hear this. Can’t wait to hear what’s next!
They aren't quite as culty as this group, but Focus on the Family based out of Colorado Springs puts out "parenting guides" that seem to follow similar philosophy (less extreme, but still an emphasis on breaking the child's will). That group was popular at my church (including with my parents).
@@bretthansen3739 indeed and that’s the main group of folks that I was thinking of. 😉👍🏼
@@johnr7279 I still check Google from time to time to see if Dobson is dead yet (sadly, no). I'm checking less often as time goes by though, Yay for healing!
About the Marshall fire, we had record snowfall that spring, which caused the grass to just go nuts. Unfortunately, the moisture didn't last, and by July, everything was a giant, dried-out tinderbox waiting to go up. I remember the day the Marshall fire happened, it was so windy at my house that my television antenna blew off my roof and landed in my backyard.
Those dipshits should not have been burning trash out there, whether they got the OK from the fire department or not. In a *good* year, that part of Colorado is dry as Ben Shapiro's wife, and it's ALWAYS windy along Highway 93 where the fire started.
There is another Yellow Deli in Brunswick, Ga. I went there after attending a B-52s concert, and being a Bible thumper at the time, got offended at their disingenuity disguised as hippiness. Since then I have a reason to hate hippies, like i need one.
Anyhow, I believe it is connected to a retreat just south of town called The Hostel. This location would directly target anybody down on their luck, and got quite a few of my friends as well. Though, I don't know how serious their recruitment drive is these days, might have more than 144k Virgins these days
I was born in Redding but got out before the cult took over...
Then a bunch of people from the small cult I belonged to in Tulsa fed back into Redding.
That was not the original Chattanooga location. The first was on Brainerd Rd at the old Mayo’s. The Pickle Barrel and Alan Gold’s were once Yellow Deli’s also. The current location was built when they returned many years later, I think, early 2000s. I’ve always heard they were ran out of town in the early 80s.
I'm from Vancouver island so I've absolutely heard of these guys. Blargh. Vancouver Island is very weird. Editing to add to avoid The Yellow Deli if you're in coastal BC.
I worked in northern CA for a summer and visited Redding pretty regularly on my days off. The town *did* always feel off to me, but I wouldn't have guessed it was run by a cult
I was hoping you'd mention "To Train Up a Child" - it felt so familiar to me
He does mention that book @53:40.
@@gailcbull yep, that's when I posted that comment, I meant that I hoped, and that hope was satisfied, but my original comment was a bit incomplete, oops
One of my colleagues (late 20s age) is called Ethel (Eth for short)
She had a younger brother named Methel. A few years later the parents had a third and named him Isopropel.
All three were a bit volatile, but in general, good-denatured.
@@009013M3 should not Methel have been the first child, having a single carbon?
Darlinn is a personal friend of mine and yes she was wipped till she bleed it was horrible,her Dad was threatend to not continue with the case or he would be taken out ike they have done to others this was well done but theres much more that needs to be made public
used to live in the communities. Took years to escape. Got sent to live with my mom.
I lived near them and volunteered for their deli…. Found them to be loving, hard working, and kind …. Of course they wanted me to join but they were Never pushy … there are people who were down and out but there were many successful people which is how they are able to purchase property and businesses
Hey! My dad's name was Albert! It's a great name. When it's not attached to a cult.
Mabel Pines is an albeit fictional character who's Gen-Z age! She's a precious cinnamon roll.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the video, but I figured I'd mention it.
Love from a ColdCuts and Vaush fan!
12 tribes @ 1200 members each would be 14,400 not 144,000
Ahh this guy Maths
Somebody made a video series about infiltrating the yellow Cafe it was interesting
Never get on the brown bus. It's a cool looking bus, and you want to get on just to check it out. Don't. Just turn around and walk the other way.
Consistency: Robert is one of the oldest names in anglocity, predating Mabel and Eugene. And no comment on 'Marjoe', a combination of two of the old timiest names ever?
Venga
Elron Fucking Hubbard, the AI Chatbot. Brilliant.
He would absolutely try to rebrand himself as a virtual egrigore, too.
They have a compound here on Cape Cod
Few things that came to mind when I visited them and by the way, I certainly felt a calling or attraction to them when I encountered them back in 2018. 1) Their view on Acts 2.44 and Acts 4.32 is a bit skewed. For one, the people sold possessions that they could and placed the money to the apostles so it could be distributed amongst those who did not have and were in need. The verses also mentions sharing posessions including homes but this did not negate owenership. Actually some of the homes TT stay in are under individuals name. I am not entirely sure the entire arrangement but thats how they do it. Lastly on this matter, Pauls letter indicate individual people and family did own houses in thr letter to Corinthians as he address communion ettiquete. So the entire notion that one must sell their posessions and liquidate their assets seems to be taken out of context to promote their version or agenda. 2) Who is Jesus or as they call "Yashua". The name Yashua by most scholars is a rendition of Yehoshua or Yeshu'a. Most likely the name was not Yashua and in greek transliteration it became Iesous of the gospels(the same book the twelve tribes uses yet ignores clearly many parts and overemphasizes other parts). Tradition is key to any successfull religion and sola scriptura is as rare as finding a grizzly bear in South Georgia. The Twelve tribes have built their society on a series of "personal revelations" of Eugene Spriggs and perhaps a few other elders. They claim this gives them authority and how to interpret scripture. The Twelve Tribes are elusive about Jesus and mostly emphasize his humanity, some as far as saying he was just a man while on earth but was raised to be the Son of God through OBEDIENCE. Notice the word in all caps. This heretical adoptionist view is used to emphasize obedience to the Father and Son by OBEYING the twelve tribes and laying down ones life as a daily livong sacrifice. Lots of biblical stuff and its good yet in promoting good it denies or downplays the hypostatic union of Christ in order to promote its teaching that only through obedience to the authority of the twelve tribes and laying down ones life to the body of messiah can you be saved. 3) Teachings on race and slavery are controversial. I dont like to bring this up but the notion that Ham son of Noah was cursed is NOT biblical. In fact the curse by Noah went to Canaan. Canaanites had no relation to sub saharan africans and were most likely culturally and genetically similar to ancient Hebrew and Midianites yet were not monotheistic. The idea that blacks in america and around the world are under the "curse of Ham" is unbiblical because such as curse in nonexistent. The emphasis that slavery is a good thing and not bad is used to promote the idea of servitude over self indulgence and individualism. They will claim blacks under slavery had better opportunities and had stronger family dynamics than now. Obviously this group either willfully ignores or does not understand the history, persecution and ghettoization of african americans during the 100-120 years after emancipation and its effects on a people. A side note relating to topic one is that the letter to Philemon in the New Testament encourages but does NOT force the emancipation of P's slave Onesimus. To me this runs against the notion that one has to forsake all possessions to become a disciple and that slaves and their owners can come into the ekklesia in spite of Galatians 3. 4) Lastly many people who feel lost or rejected by their families, communities, churches often find a common cause with the Twelve Tribes. This group both feeds and feeds on lost souls for its survival. When a person joins they are supposed to forsake their old self and even take on new names and new identities. They gain attention by sincere seekers as they appear to be going all out and out do others in holiness and charity. This makes some people question their own institutions and what they previously believed and allows an avenue to work in said people. They definetly could be classified as a cult or high control group, but if you can convince lost people this is the only way, cognitive disonance kicks in and they will eat it up. I certainly did for nearly a year and it has left a wound in me to this day. Cheers, J.
I was in the Twelve Tribes for about 12 years with my family. Left in 2010. Feel free to ask questions.
First: I'm really glad you got out!
Second: How did you survive? How did you manage to flee?
@@johannageisel5390 No walls or fences to keep you from leaving. It was more a mental or spiritual hold. I had friends help move my family out. It would make a great story actually. 2nd- Survive? With the help of family and friends for MANY years. Still trying to survive.
Good day.Did you ever go to any of the communities in Canada BC?
@@user-ct2sg9jo1x Nope! Never did!
@@mikemarkuson you should share your story on a video, make it as detailed and informative as you can and if you feel the need to, do it anonymously. the more people know about this stuff the harder it will be for these groups of sick fcks to con people into their trap. im glad you got out, i can't imagine the things you saw and heard. and all in the name of Jesus 🤢
Wednesday mornig episode 🥳
So what kind of food did the Yellow Deli serve, anyway?
the body of Christ and his at one time circulating blood for drinks, duh. they've got a big supply of delicious jesus cadavers I guess
IM not sure as an x 12 tribes person the research Ive done show no connnection to the fire after investigation. I mean I hate TT and they did a number on me and thankfully my infant son at the time was not subjected to much but truth is always best
L-RON-HUBBOT
that is all.
i live about an hour south of redding and yeah, its just a bunch of religious folks everywhere
My parents’ cat name is mable :)
This is some Mandy shit right here
This is a group that teaches one has to give up all your possessions to be a disciple of Christ as He commanded in Luke 14:33, but what they don't teach you is Jesus ministry was for the Lost tribes of Israel not gentiles as Mathew 15:24 clearly shows and Romans 15 verse 8 and 16, it's because of a mystery of a dispensation of grace God gave to Paul for gentiles and Jews, (Ephesians 3:1-5,) where salvation became a free gift (Ephesians 2) not a cost as Christ preached in Luke 14: 26-33. That's why it's important to rightly divide God's word to be approved of Him in 2 Timothy 2:15. Dispensations are described in Hebrews 1 verse 1. In this case with the death of the testator there began a New Testament in Hebrews 9:15. It's good to get clarity on this even when people like this have good intentions. U Tube Rightly dividing God's word.
Drink water yall
Just a seething hatred for children. Holy shit.
Never heard Chattanooga mispronounced so many times in my life.
Make sure you hit that subscribe button and like so someone can get PAID !!!!! Lets talk about manipulation.
Ummm I believe that gangs are cults and raise the bar
seriously right out the gate your going to blame someone's personal fire on climate change. if your someone who does research on topics you should research the climate temperature growth of earth over the last 50 yrs.
Can you translate this into English, please? I have no idea what you're trying to say.
(I am a climate science expert, by the way, so please share all the information you think you have on that topic.)